latest-updates

[lunar folio]

I dunno about that but they could at least have a modified warlord tree, yeah

[visual willow]

Makes no sense to have a modified warlord tree

[lunar folio]

Well they don't need an actual proper tree

Or it could be like the Baltics

Different political trees with the same industrial tree

[visual willow]

I mean, idk with what mongolia could really share a tree🤷‍♀️

Tanna tuva but, yeah no

[lunar folio]

The warlords. Just give them a few generic industry stuff and then have some political gaff

The political stuff not being generic

[visual willow]

Mongolia could do stuff, from just an AI path that would ask the USSR to annex them, getting inner mongolia, asking for the mongolian parts of the ussr

Rt56 has a wonderfull mongolia tree, though almost too much

[lunar folio]

Well yes, though it's good to have a quality focus tree it doesn't matter if the country is well, Mongolia
But I won't completely disregard them considering Manchukuo is one of my favourite countries

[visual willow]

Mongolia has potentional, shame they have nothing rn

Manchukuo also needs quite a bit of a rework

At the least like a few minipaths for japan's althist

[lunar folio]

Yeah it could do with some touching up. I think it ages quite well though compared to, ironically, Japan

[visual willow]

Yeah ironically it does

Solely cause of the independence war

But reworking china+japan is quite a lot of stuff to rework even if you don't include mongolia

[lunar folio]

Waking the Tiger had quite a bit of stuff now that I think about it
Gave paths of China, Communist China, Warlords, Japan, Manchukuo, as well as Germany
Granted half of them shared parts

Actually yeah they add up to like a normal DLC these days

[visual willow]

Yeah lol

Sure it's a lot of stuff but like a majority of it isnt even that much

Let alone.... good

Germany is showing it's age too

[lunar folio]

Yeah it's basic but workable, I think the main issue is how will making Germany more complicated affect new players

[visual willow]

Maybe pdx should make an actual toturial "mode"

Which has better explenation parts and uses the old tree for most countries

It would be REALLY strange if china has 10 times better trees then germany lol

[lunar folio]

That'd be kinda funny

[silk garden]

uk tree very based

spain tree very based

all trees should be like those 2

[visual willow]

Not all like spain god no

We all know how that design works with turkey

[lunar folio]

Spain works because of the cluster munition that is the Spanish Civil War but for most having centralised and easier paths is better

[visual willow]

Yeah

And also not just 1 focus line instead of a tree

At the least have an semi-independent military and industry tree

Instead of like, a line like turkey and spain have

And you go through your focus tree without much thought cause there is no real choices to make

[shrewd owl]

Alt history UK is very based, and their regular industry side will give you a really strong navy which makes sense

I would prefer them to make smaller shorter (35 day) focuses though, if they were to update it

[visual willow]

I feel like most UK focuses are fine with their length

The military/industry tree is hella fine

The political trees could do a bit more expanding though

Bit short and, not much

[jovial belfry]

Nice pfp

[fleet laurel]

Yeah, It'sad that in La Resistance DLC didnt added Spanish songs

[inland wyvern]

did they add greece dld on the New version?

[shrewd owl]

Imperial federation is too based, though it’s hard to do in MP unless you stay democratic

[inland wyvern]

dlc*

did they add greece dlc on the New version?

[shrewd owl]

Greece is included in BfB I think?

[hollow lion]

yes

[visual willow]

greece has been a thing since game release

[brazen jacinth]

r/mapswithoutgreece ??

[hexed thunder]

In MP you can just do the cheese where you go facist and core every common wealth nation.

Dont really known how it works.

But you can ask ignitormozo or jibril.

[visual willow]

"""Hard"""
You just, go through your focus tree path

[soft panther]

Scandinavia dlc pls

then we can do south america and belgium

not sure about austria cuz no one cares about them

[visual willow]

Austria has more potential then south america and belgium though

[bold burrow]

depends what you call potential

[lunar folio]

Well Belgium doesn’t have many expansion potential outside of the Benelux and so they’d kinda just be a worse Netherlands

Austria would have most of the Balkans

And South America is just kinda a bit… boring. Extremely far away from the action and expansion is awful when it’s all mountain and jungle

[visual willow]

Possibility to do stuff.
Belgium would literally be just the netherlands but a tad worse, and the dutch tree isnt that much.
South america is miles away from the main action of the war. Everything actually impactfull you'll be able to do is help someone else in a totally different continent.

Austria, has the entire legacy of the austrian empire behind it.

[lunar folio]

Austria also quite literally being in the middle of everything

[visual willow]

Yup exactly

Even assuming germany will try anschlussing EVERY time, they still have stuff to do via compromises with germany, becoming a puppet instead. Simple rome protocols ig or trying to get stresa front but eh.

[unborn iron]

I'd like either the nordic trees or a Germany/Austriahungary Rework

[analog briar]

yeah germany tree or nordic or both

[unborn iron]

Well, I'd like a Austria/Austria hungary tree too. Especially with the lack of a vanilla one. And considering most majors have access to monarchist paths

[visual willow]

Dod rework or tfv rework

Germany isnt fhe greatest tree but the dod trees are even more outdated

Tfv trees aswell but those are more scattered around the world

[unborn iron]

I dont really agree tbh

The DoD Trees are way better then the facist german tree

[visual willow]

What

What kinda stuff you smoking bud

[unborn iron]

Germany is literally like 3 buffs and just wargoals

While DoD gives literally everything

[visual willow]

Dod trees are even worse then that

[unborn iron]

No??

[visual willow]

Yes?

[unborn iron]

The only thing making germany more fun is just size and power

[visual willow]

Czechoslovakia might aswell be a default tree with forts

[unborn iron]

I prefer it way over germany

[visual willow]

Well, ok then

I can't even fathom this standpoint so i'm not even gonna try arguing you out of it

If they rework germany, i hope it'll also be a greater game rebalance update

[unborn iron]

Germany has a industrial tree which is literally, Take a small buff and some Factories and if you want even a research slot

Army Path is just, Okay unlock some research boosts and Doctrine boosts

Navy path is just dockyards

Foreign policy is just
Annex Country/State or Get Wargoal

And that for one of the biggest superpowers in the war

[lunar folio]

I mean it works

It works for Germany, it’s simple and straight to the point

[visual willow]

It's servicable enough for germany

Germany needs a new tree, but so do all the tfv, dod, and wtt countries

[unborn iron]

All Focus trees are serviceable. Its so underwhelming for such a good country

[visual willow]

Same for the balkans

[lunar folio]

I think it works for Germany. It’s also a starting nation that people gravitate too so I deem it low priority so newer players can get more accustomed

[visual willow]

Bulgaria on it's way to have the best tree in the balkans:

[unborn iron]

The czechs and Yugoslavs are just meant to disappear, Romania and Hungary are pretty much just german Puppets. Bulgaria has a very nice focus tree and Greece is just italy arrived

[visual willow]

I mean just add a proper toturial mode, and an option to get the old german tree

[lunar folio]

Yeah but Paradox

[visual willow]

By that logic only 10 countries max need trees

[unborn iron]

It would be incredibly sad to keep germany very old just for tutorial Nations

[visual willow]

The majors, uhhhhhh wait no i think that's just about it

[unborn iron]

Thing is, I just think the Majors should have some Priority over states that usually get annexed

[visual willow]

Well, yeah

[lunar folio]

It’s not that bad though.
I rate focus trees based on fun
And I think Germany’s tree is perfectly fun enough when combined with what they do

[visual willow]

But even worse outdated trees>less outdated trees

[unborn iron]

Why go for 6 Random Balkan Countries, If you can get Germany and some more Balkan Countries

[lunar folio]

The Balkans are a pretty key area

[visual willow]

Tbf germany would just totally eat up the focus tree production

[unborn iron]

Germany just feels underwhelming compared to the rest tho, Even Mexico got a bigger update then Germany....

[visual willow]

Cause mexico is newer

Do you want them to give the majors new trees every second update? That's madness

[unborn iron]

Brittain, Italy, France, SU all got better focus trees

[visual willow]

Oh god i wonder why?

[lunar folio]

Maybe because every one of those is newer

[visual willow]

No say

[lunar folio]

Also is Britain really better

[unborn iron]

And Germany is just suffer

[visual willow]

Ehh roughly the same tbf

[unborn iron]

Focus tree is, Tactical disadvantages arent

[lunar folio]

Britain is just kind of Germany with a few more options. Still about the same depth

Same with France I’d say

They’re all kind of decent but not amazing trees

[visual willow]

France has a few more options
Problem is, every single one of those is underworked

[unborn iron]

That is true

Except the Really New Ones

Aka SU and Italy

[lunar folio]

Yeah Italy and the SU are pretty amazing

[unborn iron]

Gotta give it to paradox, Both are very dope

[visual willow]

All nsb trees, italy, and bulgaria are great

The rest is just, meh at best

[unborn iron]

I personally somewhat like the US tree for what they did, But its still quite Meh

[visual willow]

Usa needs better political stuff fr

[unborn iron]

That is true

[visual willow]

I support adding minesweeper to the USA focus tree so you have something to do

[analog briar]

nah britan is good

[unborn iron]

But the Senate Support, Its available Buffs, Its start debuffs i quite like

[visual willow]

Britain is eh ok

Britain needs an expended political tree

But the military/industry is very fine

[lunar folio]

I mean I like the British tree but I really can’t say it’s much better than Germany

It’s a fun tree but so is Germany

[analog briar]

I like it they made an monachest path and it is very cool how much depth it has

[lunar folio]

And I can’t say it is spectacular

Uh… is it deep?

[analog briar]

it is

[visual willow]

"They have an monarchist path"
💀literally every country with a .001% possibility of getting a monarch has one

[unborn iron]

I'd like for the Germans to go more into the Industrial Part of it. Cause germany is quite lacking for its unique industry at the time

[lunar folio]

Half of the monarchist stuff is just
Conquer Ireland
Now core Ireland
Now conquer USA

[visual willow]

Especially the industrial meltdown they got halfway through the war

[analog briar]

the monachest path is really cool they could have just slapped the george 6 and given wargoals

[lunar folio]

That is basically half of it though

[analog briar]

you can make monachest usa

[unborn iron]

Yeah, But also if it allows you to fix it

[lunar folio]

Most of the monarchist focuses are wargoals

[visual willow]

I mean there are things you can do it the uk political tree, but it's like just 5 focuses deep and 3 across

[analog briar]

yeah but done in a unik way

[visual willow]

And cores on old-hold land

[lunar folio]

How

[analog briar]

like the imperial uprisinges

[visual willow]

Well, yeah

Althist options also need to be better for germany

Rn it's.... ehhh

Still servicable but eh

[unborn iron]

Yeah

[analog briar]

democraftic needs to be better too

[lunar folio]

I mean I guess? Those aren’t really spectacular either

They kinda go ‘Spend 100 PP cause civil war’

[visual willow]

Wtf did you think i meant with "althist options need to be better"??? Ah yes althist for germany needs to be better, except one of the 3 possible paths!!!

[visual willow]

If only they didnt break imperial federation

[analog briar]

true you hate democratic germany xD

[analog briar]

true but like we don't talk about that

xD

[unborn iron]

TBH, I'd say for next DLC perhaps just Germany, And Nordics, After a DoD Rework, And After that Perhaps South America

[lunar folio]

I’d go Middle East before South America, just a bit closer to the action

[visual willow]

Also tfv rework before south america

[unborn iron]

True

[visual willow]

I mean who knows if "reworks" are gonna be another dlc

[unborn iron]

That is also True

[visual willow]

If next update updates germany, free of charge, i would rather see lot's of QOL and balance changes to basegame

[lunar folio]

HOI4 Custodian team when

[visual willow]

If it's an actual dlc, making it very confusing with wtt, i could see austria-belgium-luxembourg (minor tree)

[lunar folio]

Luxembourg would basically get the Aussa treatment

[unborn iron]

I do kinda wish they'd make a team for Reworking stuff, Like just Focus trees

[lunar folio]

Well yes that’s what the Custodian team would be for

[visual willow]

Solely cause like, they at the least fit with germany, don't need really any work (except austria which needs close ties to germany), and they need one anyways aswell

[visual willow]

They said they are gonna look into something like that

[lunar folio]

In Stellaris we have the Custodian team who go around overhauling old crap

[visual willow]

Aslong as focus trees reworks like, have actual quality

[lunar folio]

For free

[visual willow]

And not just updates likr yugoslavia

[analog briar]

I kinda don't wanna a south america dlc because it is just gonna lag the game down but a brazil and venuszela

[visual willow]

Making outdated trees slightly less outdated, while still wildly outdated

[unborn iron]

Yeah, Focus Trees also dont take as much time as what DLC Needs, Cause they dont have to rework massive stuff like Peace Deals or Supply Systems

[visual willow]

People who work on those systems are seperate faik

[analog briar]

lets steal them

[unborn iron]

I agree

[lunar folio]

Don’t you steal my goddamn Custodian team

[visual willow]

And everything before mtg, hell even some mtg trees, need near COMPLETE reworks

[unborn iron]

Actually no no no

Colonize them

[visual willow]

So they aren't just "less work" then a standard dlc either

[analog briar]

okay let head to sweden

[analog briar]

even better

[lunar folio]

Boy how you gonna take over spaceships with your 40s ass crap guns

[unborn iron]

Per country it is, In Entirely Indeed no

[unborn iron]

TENNOHEIKA, BANZAI!

[visual willow]

I mean, i sure as hell hope they don't do 1 countey every 10 months

[lunar folio]

https://tenor.com/view/deathstar-gif-10649959

That’s us to you

[unborn iron]

Yes Please

[analog briar]

hey you toke my idea

[visual willow]

Also, i hope fascist germany is gonns get more reichskommisariats

[lunar folio]

Yes please

[visual willow]

Better ones and just at the least the ones to complete the proposed ones

[analog briar]

yes

like that would be so good

[lunar folio]

I am considering making a Reichskomissariat mod after I finish most of my changes to Formable Nations

[visual willow]

There was one that was fairly good I've heard, but it's oudated ofc

[analog briar]

and just like more axis victory thing

[lunar folio]

Yeah I saw that. Some guy suggested it on my page and that’s where I got the idea initially

[analog briar]

because it just doens't exist

[visual willow]

Every single major historical faction needs atleast a tad bit of post war stuff

[unborn iron]

I kinda just want germany to get a German Engineering Debuff, Less Tank Reliability, Less Efficiency Cap traded by More Growth and Higher Breakthrough

[visual willow]

Not much, but just enough

[lunar folio]

Allied Victory things barely exists either

They have Yalta

[visual willow]

Like the new nato/occupied german zones

But that's also just it

[analog briar]

germans and japanese and italians

[visual willow]

Also needs expension tbf

[analog briar]

like the great war rebux has

[visual willow]

Gwr is more railroaded then hoi4 is

A system like gwr would be bit too hard to incorperate rn

[analog briar]

were just like 10 focus with cold war

[lunar folio]

I love being Ottomans and defeating France and getting only a few Middle Eastern territories and Egypt

[visual willow]

Annexing all of france isnt realistic for ww1

[lunar folio]

I know but I still was the guy who defeated them

[analog briar]

yeah

[visual willow]

And with russia you get caucauses puppets too with civil war atleast

[visual willow]

I mean gwr is a ww1 mod that tries staying realistic... somewhat. If you wanna mappaint do annex_all

[analog briar]

but you can disable the peace srpicted deals

[lunar folio]

I know I’m not annexing France but comeon give French North Africa to me at least

[visual willow]

Oh algeria? Yeah ok fair that one should have been a thing somewhere

[analog briar]

setowner ott or tur

[lunar folio]

Yeah no I always have mod toolpack on

Which is that command but better in every way

[visual willow]

Which is that command but easier to use*

[lunar folio]

Yeah so better in every way

[hollow lion]

Better too

[visual willow]

Also ngl i lowkey hope the "reichskommisariat" focus will be available for every ideology in different forms

[analog briar]

Yes the non-aligend rechskommisariat and the democratic and the commie

maybe they change

[visual willow]

Keyword here is "different forms"

[analog briar]

oh yeah

I see

[visual willow]

Puppet kingdoms for nonaligned like what they did during ww1

[analog briar]

ahh yes

and for democraftic EU xD

[visual willow]

Commie puppetstates for commie which...is kinda a far stretch

[analog briar]

yeah

[visual willow]

The ""bastion of democracy"" would make new rebublics which get independence

And germany would force poland to give back ukrainian and belarussian land for example

[analog briar]

no you "guide" them to freedom

[visual willow]

Like it wouldnt make too much sense

[analog briar]

yeah kinda

[visual willow]

But althist germany is fundamentally unrealistic anyways

[analog briar]

but I want puppets

[visual willow]

It would just be fun

[analog briar]

yeah

maybe like you get the option to from the EU and the democraftic "reichrommisrats" get annexed and cored?

[visual willow]

Eh sounds too op

And the new rebublics would only be in just a few places kinda

[analog briar]

but everyone will hate you and you're allies would turn agenst you

[visual willow]

Like you're not gonna make a new democracy out of an already democratic netherlands you just conquered

[analog briar]

so it is a 1v10

[analog briar]

or you have to inergrate them

like slowly

[visual willow]

"Hey guys, here is your freedom!!! Oh wait no nvm you're annexed now into our bigger country"

[analog briar]

Germany laughs

hey here freedom now and now you annex

[lunar folio]

It’s democracy but only I get a choice

[analog briar]

democraticly electied dictator

[lofty vector]

the ottoman tree has some spicy focuses 💀 💀

[analog briar]

not sterllaris levels right?

[jovial belfry]

Like wha

[lofty vector]

related to armenian [redacted]

[jovial belfry]

In vanilla Hoi4?

[lofty vector]

no

gwr

[jovial belfry]

Wth

[jovial belfry]

I played it but I don’t remember Armenian genocide

[lofty vector]

theres focuses for it to "homogenize areas"

[jovial belfry]

wich path?

[lofty vector]

mehmet

ataturk

some others

[jovial belfry]

you mean ittihat and terrakki path

[harsh hull]

Updates to old content? In my HOI4?

A likely story

But sure enough, India's focus tree now has three more foci than it did

Blessed dev team

[clever valve]

That is all?

[lofty vector]

ye

[lofty vector]

they can also get rid of famine now

[lofty vector]

getting rid of famine is much more important than a full blown focus tree for the raj, so its much better than before

[clever valve]

Well it is better but i still think the focus is bad

[visual willow]

They already did in older bba betas

Also, i wonder if this is like an introduction into a full on custodian team?

[visual willow]

Hey it's so much better then near radio silence for YEARS.

It isnt much rn

But what if they make minor updates every few months?

God i hope so

[scenic plinth]

using the latin plural for focus made me crack up

wrong reply but you got the message

[lunar folio]

I mean it's still correct

Foci is still a word in the English lexicon (ooh, fancy)

[clever valve]

Well if they keep updating the older focus trees I would be happy .I don't expect a soviet union type of focus but at least some events and wargoars

[lunar folio]

I hope this is the prelude to a full-blown Custodian team

[soft panther]

did india get a rework

[lunar folio]

Not a full one but they got some stuff

[thorny talon]

absolutely game changing. how will this affect the competitive landscape of hearts of iron iv?

[solid gyro]

Where do I see news on hoi 4?

Like where paradox talking about future releases

[solid gyro]

hello.

after hoi 4 italy expansion what's next?

[lunar folio]

We don't know

The most likely prediction is a Scandinavia DLC but it's not confirmed

[solid gyro]

i can think of only four expansions: one for the four northern states, one for some middle east countries, one for the three countries in the indonesian area(indonesia, philipines and malayesia) and one for some latin american coutries including all the 5 totaritarian countries

also speaking of which, why paraguay was comunist even if irl it wasn't?

[lunar folio]

It's mostly just a Paradox moment

And tbf they probs would have fixed it if it literally mattered in any single way on the overall game

[solid gyro]

paradox moment???

[lunar folio]

Ok saying [Something] moment is an internet meme used to say when something happens that is expected of the subject

[solid gyro]

ok

[lunar folio]

And yeah it usually refers to mistakes

[lofty vector]

india will now churn out more divisions than the whole of the allies

making it a strong competitor to china and the soviets for end game lag

[old star]

since you're only able to remove famine if you're independent, fascist/communist india might also produce a comedic amount of lag earlier

[solid gyro]

What's up, fellas?

[clever valve]

God the greek and turkish focus trees are so bad

[errant flame]

said the guy who joined after mainland europe was invaded

[snow lion]

bruh we need a east Asia rework- Japan and China and all the warlords are so dated, not Scandinavia ☹️

[lunar folio]

I didn't say it was we needed but given Paradox's track record Scandinavia is most likely

I also agree that I would adore a China and Japan overhaul but we aren't getting that

[visual willow]

Literally 80% of countries ingame that should have a decent tree, don't have a nearly good enough tree 🤷‍♀️

[lofty vector]

also there should a mongolian path for ma bufang

[solid gyro]

What's up, fellas?

[lunar folio]

Holla poor favour

[solid gyro]

what about agrarian society?

[bronze stream]

France rework would be welcome

[visual willow]

[lofty vector]

agrarian society can now be removed

[solid gyro]

wait i cant find the focuses

[visual willow]

It's in the beta

[hollow ridge]

Small Bomb Bays are now even more superior to Bomb Locks than they already were.

[mystic crescent]

but u cant put small bomb bay on small frame

it's to promote the tactical bombers more

[soft panther]

lets go

india with a grand rework of 3 additional focuses

[hollow ridge]

You are wrong. Small bomb bays do go on Small Air Frames and are used for CAS.
Medium bomb bays go on medium air frames to make tactical bombers and they are way worse in any aspect than more specialized planes like CAS or Strategic Bombers.

[lunar folio]

It's not a rework though. It just isn't. They aren't suggesting it is either.

[hollow ridge]

I think he was just being sarcastic. Atleast i hope so...

Also i see youre a man of culture~~

[scenic notch]

So true

Chinese warlords should pull a kaiserreich and all have their own focus trees (trust me bro)

[solid gyro]

They need to redo America Japan and British tbh

Make pacific more fun

Japan has such a lame tree next to America

[scenic notch]

China in kaiserreich be bussin’

[solid gyro]

America is the boringest of all time

The most overpowered nation

But legit worst free

Tree

The tree feels like a minor once 1941 rolls around

Even before it’s just so lame

[snow lion]

ik

thats what im sayin

[snow lion]

true

new alt-history and historical paths

more fresh and up to date

maybe some kind of war profiteering mechanic

[solid gyro]

I think the reason they haven’t redone America is cuz they’d have to do a rework to Japan at the same time

And I’d they do they they’d have to redo British Malaya and stuff too

Aka reworking naval again

And prob the British treee too

It’s gonna have to be a big update

[snow lion]

rather have that than scandinavia

or another dlc for nations who did nothing during ww2

or very minor things

[visual willow]

I think the reason is is that they just havent reworked anything but the smalles of minors very slightly

[solid gyro]

I mean they did Italy which was “more major” then USA and Japan tbh

I think they’re gonna do another major rework soon

[visual willow]

Italy didnt have a dlc tree already

Italy didnt get a rework already like the usa

[solid gyro]

Oh yeah I forgot

They redid USA

Wtf was USA before

[visual willow]

Considering they are updating more and more older stuff, i really hope they will rework older trees entirely

Nearly everything pre LaR needs a new tree lol, and LaR trees need heavy updating too

[visual willow]

Even worse with NO althist.
Mind you, the althist rn is also shit

[solid gyro]

I think they're fine

[solid gyro]

Alt-hist makes sense, but is ridiculously hard

Kinda wish turning commie/Fascist worked like Stalin where if you keep a percentage high or low enough you can avoid a civilwar

And have a peaceful transition of powrt

[visual willow]

You technically can

Problem is is that you gotta wait ALLL the way to the election, and you can't do any of the "closer to a cw" focuses either

[solid gyro]

How so?

[solid gyro]

To flip fash or communist?

Kinda dum

[visual willow]

Yeah, it is dumb

[solid gyro]

I think they're fixing it with he wareffort patches tho

Actually I wonder, think Paradox would like listen if we started asking for small flavor adding focuses to minor allies,

[fleet laurel]

Cringe pfp

[solid gyro]

No u

[solid gyro]

dis you?

[solid gyro]

Yes

[jovial belfry]

Cringe pfp

[brazen jacinth]

nah that's the bis pfp

[jovial belfry]

What is bis

You mean like French tanks

[brazen jacinth]

best in slot

[jovial belfry]

You made that shit up cuh

[brazen jacinth]

found the dude whos never played any mmorpg ever

[solid gyro]

Nah

Also whyd we go to cringe pfps

Instead of Like smart talk about the game

I want Hungary to have a focus/decision like Romania to switch sides

Bulgaria too

[jovial belfry]

I played roblox

[solid gyro]

*Although hoi4 does have the historical revolution of the fatherland front the gov't under Simeon II did attempt to withdraw from the war before the govt was overthrown

[hollow ridge]

@solid gyroI think your pfp is very based uwu

[jovial belfry]

Ur pfp is literally cropped p*rn

[brave mason]

Half of this discord is anime or furry

It’s hoi4 it was always gunna be cursed

[hollow ridge]

Ik pretty poggers right?

[brave mason]

No

[hollow ridge]

Nya~

[brave mason]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-garfield-when-the-cringe-gif-21404293

[hollow ridge]

uwu

[brave mason]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-cringe-cringe-oh-no-kimo-kimmo-gif-23168319

[lunar folio]

OwO, sowwy for being sow cwingey

[soft panther]

What is it like to be cringe

[solid gyro]

wtf anker

[lunar folio]

I think calling what people do cringe is, well, cringey. Doesn't matter unless it actually affects you or others.

So of course I ratchet it up to 11

[solid gyro]

Thanks

Urs 2

[median junco]

I'm sorry, why does channel for "discussion of latest game updates" involve whatever happened up there?

[analog briar]

don't ask this is a war ground

[analog briar]

furry 🤮

[visual willow]

Oh no!
Anyways

[visual willow]

People just LOVE going offtopic for no reason

[lunar folio]

People couldn’t mind their own business

[median junco]

https://tenor.com/view/kot-sad-sad-sadness-sorrow-longing-gif-25087948

Why do I have to feel embarrassed because of human species not only irl but online as well

[solid gyro]

Idk someone just said cringe

Paradox is hiring

Wonder if they'd accept an application

[vocal shadow]

does anyone know why they made it so you cant change the size of air wings anymore

[hexed thunder]

Because that actually easier

to switch from one airport to another

[solid gyro]

Yeah

Also making planes is extremely ridiculous now

The AI usually spams put ridiculous designs and it's easy to beat them with strong attack

[solid gyro]

💀

[hollow ridge]

The AI has been bad with any of the stuff since designers for them came out.

Its the same with NSB. AI all but stopped making tanks since the DLC came out.

[visual willow]

which is really strange since you think they could just, copy the meta templates

[hollow ridge]

Or atleast produce tanks at all

But for that theyd need to build factories aswell in the first place...

Checked in with an AI Germany i beat recently and by 1938 they only had like 30+ civs and mils each...

[solid gyro]

Did they change the decision where you can invade Iran with UK?

It Hasnf popped up as Soviet

It’s like 1943 almost lol

[visual willow]

You know there's a focus to do that, right

[solid gyro]

There a meta now?

I just assumed it was slap armour and breakthrough

[solid gyro]

Wtffff

Southern thrust?

I thought that was just a solo invasion

I think ur right tho

[visual willow]

I mean, yes

But pdx doesnt like looking in the history books so

[solid gyro]

I swear every day your pfp gets more and more thirsty

despicable

[rough plank]

Sex

[hollow ridge]

Its truly amazing.

I love degeneracy uwu

[knotty shell]

^

[hollow lion]

Whats that

😔

[hollow ridge]

We can give you a practical lesson.

(Jk)

[solid gyro]

Isn't there an event to split Iran or no?

[hollow lion]

The soviets have decisions

[hollow lion]

😿

[hollow ridge]

Unless~

[hollow lion]

This isnt about latest updates though

I cant wait till they fix the paranoia and make the Soviet Union playable

[solid gyro]

I mean like the historical split

With England and USSR

[solid gyro]

USSR is playable with Paranoia

[hollow lion]

Right opposition is borderline

When you coup you cant afford getting Beria or a civil war unintentionally

[visual willow]

purging events now dont decrease paranoia

[solid gyro]

Actually?

That's stupid

[unborn iron]

That sucks

That is absolutely Horrible

[solid gyro]

That's the only thing that made soviets playable

[visual willow]

it's bugged so

problem is.... pdx aint fixing it

[solid gyro]

Damn

[brazen jacinth]

hoi4 devs too busy actually playing hoi4

wont fix the game

[opal bone]

wheres the us planes? im sick of the low poly b17 and p51 @wicked sierra

[worn hearth]

peace deal fix???

[worthy furnace]

i have this weird problem where germany declares war on luxembourg by 1938

like the moment they take austria they start justifying on luxembourg

[visual willow]

Attempt to atleast

[wicked sierra]

Dont ping staff that aren't already in conversation. Have you checked the mod workshop, someone may have done a US gfx?

[soft panther]

chin

[abstract nest]

Wait are you being fr

[hollow lion]

yeh

its broken since BBA release

[hexed thunder]

Since By Bugs Alone

[solid gyro]

good thing I don't play the soviets

[solid gyro]

Irl

Was paraguay allied or influenced by soviet union

?

[grave hollow]

yes

Rafael Franco's Febrerista Party was a member of the Socialist Internationale

so you can say more allied than influenced

he only ruled until 1937 tho, and was replaced by someone whose government openly supported adolf

Higinio Morínigo

the country's police chief named his son adolf and police officers wore fasci and swastika symbols on their uniforms

[soft panther]

joke natjon

[clever trench]

Paraguay should be democratic IMO rather than communist

[grave hollow]

Yeah

And his successor as non aligned or fascist

But that line is kinda grey in hoi4

Like, they make Vargas a nonaligned but that guy from Venezuela is a fascist

Hoi4 ideologies suck in general

They still make Manuel Azaña the leader of the PSOE while he was the frontrunner of the IR 😂

[visual willow]

luckily they said they at the least will rework sub-ideologies

so i hope that translates in a bit more clarity with actual ideologies aswell

[opal bone]

the creators of the ones that do exist have totally abandoned their mods along with the game itself. and since i have you can you get the ball rolling on new infantry skins?

[lunar folio]

Since I have you
It’s been 2 days, guy

You dorpped the ball on having him in the convo a while ago

[winter idol]

that happend to me too

[solid gyro]

So ally of stalin? Interesting. Well i think it's good to have a comunist ally in latin america. I mean the commes are the fewest countries in the game and it's quite sad. Even adolf has more posibilities to ally with countries since there are more fascist ones.

[grave hollow]

Yeah

But he was only in power for a year lol

[solid gyro]

Well. I hope they include an expansion in latin america

[late frost]

Wdym?

[visual willow]

Enough other areas need one first

Maybe after another 7 updates

[solid gyro]

To include national focuses to some latin american countries

[visual willow]

Cause SA really doesnt deserve it before quite some other countries

[late frost]

Theres a rlly good mod for that

[solid gyro]

I think only 4 expansions should hoi 4 receive, then they could stop. One for north europe, one for middle east, one for the indonesian area and one for latin america. Then they should stop

[late frost]

Theyll find a way for more dlc

[visual willow]

We need reworks for older dlcs though

The balkans are a shitty place focus wise

Also, all of latin america in 1 dlc is too much

[solid gyro]

i didn't say all latin america, i said some of them, all 5 totalitarian contries+brazil cuba will sufice

[visual willow]

Ok, 9 countries

Still widely ambitious

South of panama there's already 10 countries

Anyways i would be happy leaving SA

And rather have pdx focus on relevant countries that need a new tree like romania, germany, india

[solid gyro]

7. i cut 2 countries

[heavy wind]

brazil should have focus tree though

it participated in ww2 and has everything in its favor of being a major

[visual willow]

Yeah but eh no real justification for a whole dlc yet

[visual willow]

I mean you could just have it so that brazil joins the allies on historical 🤷‍♀️no dlc needed for that

[lunar folio]

Yet being the thing

[visual willow]

SA by definition has lower potentional then every other continent

And for focus trees, it doesnt matter how much a countey participated in ww2. The omly thing that matters is potentional

Like look at bulgaria. It has an AMAZING tree despite doing ALMOST NOTHING during ww2

Cause it is in a good position with decent history

[lunar folio]

Literally the most notable thing they did was some weird monarchy bullshit then get invaded

[visual willow]

Sweden also has miles more potentional

Old trees which need a modern tree have more potentional

South america has potentional ig but it's very limited

Cause you are so far away from any meaningfull theater of the war

[solid gyro]

except pacific!

that's a big potential

[visual willow]

Nah they are still quite far away from the pacific

Plus they don't have a navy

The pacific is a sea theater what are you gonna do there without a navy?

[solid gyro]

they could give you the posibility to build one before it starts. i mean in 1941 when us enter the war they could build one navy

[visual willow]

Building a navy is expensive in hoi4

Especially if you don't start with many civs NOR dockyards

And it doesnt make sense fo give them a busted naval tree solely so they arent as useless aa they actually are

[solid gyro]

with their own national focus they could reduce the price

or they could create the posibility to create a battle royale between latin states

[visual willow]

Still means no impact in other theaters of war

[solid gyro]

there are quite a few tensions between them after all

[visual willow]

Like at BEST south america keeps being irrelevant

[arctic wedge]

nordic dlc when

[hollow lion]

Soon

[soft panther]

nordic dlc when

Liberia Buhutan dlc wheb

[quartz bronze]

If you don't start as one of the majors then your navy is basically irrelevant. Even then some majors have relatively weak starting navies.

[soft panther]

Nahome

[solid gyro]

so glad they added this update, i've manage to find a bug where you suffer no attrition

[soft panther]

are u guys gonna stop playing hoi4

if hoi5 comes out

[late frost]

Nein

[soft panther]

at this point i dont even see the reason why i would even buy hoi5

[late frost]

hoi4 will never come out

[soft panther]

to*

nope

[late frost]

paradox is happy enough milking us

[soft panther]

likely after eu5

who knows

[late frost]

hoi5 i meant

neither will ever come out

we are happy they are happy

[soft panther]

@late frost

bro i will feel so sad

i spent like

100 dollars in this game

for all the dlcs

[late frost]

lol

[soft panther]

im gonna sue

[autumn anvil]

I mean what could they do in hoi5

[lunar folio]

HOI4 but more refined

[visual willow]

With a (likely) better engine too

Though they really shouldnt make a hoi5 untill 4 feels properly "finished"

[autumn anvil]

I guess

(they should give it for free for people who already own hoi4 yes)

[visual willow]

Ah yes, make the game free for the biggest target demographic

Doesnt sound like a bad business decision at all

[hollow lion]

It doesnt, they make their money from the DLC squeezing after all

[stoic mist]

How do the new propaganda decisions work? Haven't had the chance to try them out yet.

[hexed thunder]

Then just try them, to know how they work.

[velvet shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/crowd-cheering-crowd-hype-cheer-cheer-meme-gif-22195506

[hollow lion]

Thing is, this is actually a lie

[velvet shuttle]

oh god no

[hollow lion]

I checked the code, and its actually 0.1, which makes them even weaker

[velvet shuttle]

https://youtu.be/P3ALwKeSEYs

italy suffers moment

[hollow lion]

They rebalanced Tungsten?

[velvet shuttle]

thermojet research focus will be missed

pov italy cant have jets in 1940 anymore

[visual willow]

How did romania and hungary get buffed?

[swift mortar]

😔

[prisma wing]

💀

[trail steppe]

how do you do that?

[solid gyro]

hello

did paraguay was in real life an ally of soviet union? even for a short period?

[solid gyro]

i’ve managed to activate the console in ironman mode too lol

[trail steppe]

tell me your secrets

[lilac cargo]

not even for a short period of time

they werent even properly socialist

[visual willow]

average soviet-hating communist talking about the union

[velvet shuttle]

nvrmnd

lmaoooooooooo

was looking at wrong focus

[lilac cargo]

they had a marxist-fascist (sic) coup in 1936 up until 1937 and thats why they are communist in the game

the socialist president was replaced by a liberal president in 37, then by some pro-fascist presidents in 1939 and 1940

after ww2 they go to a civil war

[solid gyro]

So I’m playing as UK historical

And I got the event

Omg wrong sub

[rough plank]

i thought operation tungsten would change the amount of tungsten in each state

got pranked

[wet island]

Twice as weak as the default?

[hollow lion]

As stated*

At least on the beta

[late frost]

They better make operation rubber or aluminum bro

[solid gyro]

i see

that's why they don't accept your alliance

[eager prawn]

Why did they change in BBA the Richelieu class battleships to battlecruiser?

the Scharnhorst change to battlecruiser was a bit more understandable

but still why....

[velvet shuttle]

I suppose I can only make an assumption although it may not be accurate ofc

Potentially because it was modernized later on they consider the before version to not be a battleship?

[eager prawn]

the thing is that if you go to the designer it is still set on the Historical Battleship names list

[feral raven]

For modders side

[visual willow]

Could you make that even worse to read

[feral raven]

no , thats the point to not be able to read anything

im following pdx steps

[velvet shuttle]

Ez fix just learn to read in paradoxian

[feral raven]

it is not loc as you may have thought

infact i tested it without nay mods , re installed the game and its the same shit as well cleared cache

[wet marten]

This isn’t where you post bugs. As a temporary solution maybe tell your navy not to patrol the Black Sea, and that will stop convoys going there too?

[hexed thunder]

Republican spain may lack trains

[nova crown]

the Spanish civil war just sucks altogether

[tranquil hornet]

tell me you dont know what you are talking about without telling me you dont know what you are talking about

[soft panther]

nordic dlc when

[rotund haven]

bhutan dlc when

[soft panther]

before austria

[winter crown]

cool reccomendation
Actual balanced game with little to no game breaking bugs
Scandinavia (imagine a sisu buff lol just like the one in cadet remastered mod, prob able to gather 50% attack on core)
Germany rework (so uncomplicated and blank)
Puppet manager, (taking land, making them your color or easier to annex)
better peace deals
(im asking too much from paradox but stillllllllll i want all this to be ironman compatible)

[lunar folio]

Says actual balanced game with no bugs as if that's an easy thing to achieve

Especially since how do you do define HOI4 as balanced, because there is inherently unbalance in this game

[silk garden]

whatever country one is playing is unbalanced

[solid gyro]

Hoi4 is impossible to balance in single player ngl

I do agree on axis power reworks though

Japan is disgustingly outdated

I’ll be pissed If they lock the rework behind a DLC

Just wanna have fun alt hist paths as Japan

[lunar folio]

The problem with these reworks is how it would conflict with the old focus trees

[solid gyro]

yea, if they rework Japan they’ll basically have to rework the entirety of Asia

But I do like what paradox did with Italy so you aren’t memed on with an instant Mussolini assassination with monarchist germany

[wet marten]

They will probably keep Kodoha free, but the rest would be locked behind dlc.

[lunar folio]

And yes, if the focus trees reworks are new DLC, the historical tree is gonna be free

[solid gyro]

maybe, but it’s still kind of scummy to lock the alt hist paths off to people who already bought the alt hist path AND historical tree

Having to basically buy another DLC to have alt history fun with a nation you alright bought a dlc for to do so

is eh

[lunar folio]

This is what I meant by the earlier comment; how are they going to add these new trees?
They could either add the old one to basegame and have the new one replace it in the DLC, or release an entirely new DLC and just have the newer have precedent over the old one if both are owned

Or have the new one replace it entirely, with the new historical path being added to basegame

But be part of the old DLC

[solid gyro]

Hmmm

Pretty complicated from a business perspective

[lunar folio]

From my experience with Stellaris it would be the last one

And hopefully the free updates we're getting now are a good sign

[solid gyro]

Yeah, very happy about that

[lunar folio]

I think it is most likely to be the last one if they get reworked

[solid gyro]

I would think that would be the best solution

I think

[wet marten]

That's understandable. Maybe it would be something like a dlc for Southeast Asia, and if you have waking the tiger it will give brand new trees, or updated trees, for those countries.

[solid gyro]

It seems like Hou4 is coming towards the end of it's lifespan

Ao I wonder how many more DLC are actually left

I hope there is Atleast one for Scandinavian, all the Asian Countries, and South America

[silk garden]

how did you come to that conclusion

as long as theres no hoi5 hoi4 will live

[solid gyro]

The new Update system

It seems like hoi4 will have 2~3 years left where they will polish the game to move on

[silk garden]

thats still a lot of time

and it wont instantly die there

[solid gyro]

I know it won't, but I'm talking more like the end of the development cycle

[visual willow]

They are just incorperating the same system stellaris has

[silk garden]

ah i see

[solid gyro]

Isn't Dtellaris getting a sequel soon?

I beleive like a few months ago Oaradox was hiring for a non-historial grand strategy game

[silk garden]

jokes on you its a lotr game

[visual willow]

Doesnt HAVE to be stellaris 2

Also they git their custodion team beforehand

[solid gyro]

True but it's the only Pradox game I know that'd A-Historical

Unless we get a Cities Skylines 2

[visual willow]

Or a new game

[solid gyro]

Ye, but I'm assuming they'll go after an established title

[solid gyro]

Prob this or Stellaris

[lunar folio]

I was thinking a medieval fantasy Grand Strategy was the unannounced thing

Something completely brand new

[visual willow]

sounds quite cool

i hope there is some great magical elements in it then

[solid gyro]

Could be an alt-history grand strategy game

Seeing the popularity of mods like Kaiserreich and TNO

[visual willow]

depending on the althist i would rather have fantasy

[solid gyro]

Idk how they would make that work tho

[visual willow]

why not?

sci-fi is literally fantasy but tech

[lunar folio]

Also they literally called it Fantasy

The project name was ‘Unannounced Fantasy Grand Strategy Game’

[still heart]

The wiki is not updated fr

Missing 3 version

[lunar folio]

Ok go update it yhen

[still heart]

Can’t

[lunar folio]

Why not

[still heart]

Don’t have perms

[lunar folio]

So get them

[still heart]

Don’t know how to

[lunar folio]

I think you just have to make an account

[still heart]

Don’t know what to put

[visual willow]

• Added a new option when releasing nations. You can now choose to retain states upon which you have cores. Retained cores can still be returned to the puppet through the occupation menu.
  That took wayyyy too long for such a regular needed addition

[solid gyro]

Omg we needed that

Also Horthy can make a Battleship jow

Now*

[velvet shuttle]

• Warscore contribution from lend leasing fuel and equipment roughly tripled. Warscore malus from receiving lendlease remains unchanged for now

[odd thorn]

• Added a new option when releasing nations. You can now choose to retain states upon which you have cores. Retained cores can still be returned to the puppet through the occupation menu.

[velvet shuttle]

Yeah great addition ngl

[odd thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/turn-up-aye-hype-excited-goofy-gif-15111254

FINALLY

[visual willow]

Yes i also qouted that like 6 messages above

[velvet shuttle]

Yeah! How dare you be excited over the same thing.

Only lucina deserves to post about it because she special

[odd thorn]

god forbid bro

i gotta make sure i look above and that someone also quoted that

yep

👏🏽

[hollow ridge]

XD

[harsh hull]

Dang do I love patch notes

[zenith quest]

I’m just really happy the devs are getting a while to work on the existing DLCs rather than adding new stuff for the next while. I’m fine if these minor updates continue for a long time, will probably help sell more subscriptions.

[lunar folio]

I’m hoping this micro updates never stop, they have been spectacular so far

Which I know it might be quick to draw off two of them, but still

[harsh hull]

It also seems like they fixed a bug I saw a while back where the Dutch East Indies would become an Australian puppet if the former had a civil war of any kind, not just the one activated via Australia's focus tree

Or they fixed it a while ago and I hadn't noticed

Either way, nice to see

[solid gyro]

dockyards per ship still limited 😭

[silk garden]

duh

imagine you could slap 15 dockyards on a carrier and have a new one every 9 months

[lunar folio]

USA

[hollow lion]

Theres a mod to fix that

If you have enough dockyards, the individual production time doesn't matter and it's just annoying

[reef parcel]

hey devs could you do me a favor and mabye all of us one and mabye add infinite building slot console command (not trying to say in a rude way) so then people can mess around and it would make hoi4 fun

in like next update or smth pls

[meager canopy]

Hey could you do me a favor and open dictionary, maybe listen to the red squiggly lines underneath the words.

In like the next minute or smth pls

[solid gyro]

the version from steam unlocked is the steam version?

[lunar folio]

Do not discuss pirated content.

[sly citrus]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[reef parcel]

Rude my English isn’t very good

Anyways

Day 2 of asking for infinite building slot console command because it would make the game a lot funnier to mess and goof around in

[lunar folio]

Infinite building slots
Clicks shift to build max buildings
Well, what happens?

Nothing it was a trick question all buildings have maximum in state

Which means you don’t need infinite

Just like, 100

[reef parcel]

No cus I wanted to good around and do like Luxembourg with 1000 civics and mills n stuff and put them against the Germans

[azure python]

Game crashes because of garbage pc

[reef parcel]

Idk it could be fun to use in my opinion

[lunar folio]

I don’t think you understand what I said

There are maximums

And the maximum military factories per state is 20

[azure python]

This ^

But basically

There's no command to remove the maximum

[lunar folio]

Also there’s max 25 building slots

That’s the bigger one

[reef parcel]

That’s why I’m asking for infinite building slots console command

My English isn’t good so ofc idk what ur in about

[lunar folio]

You don’t understand why the limit exists and why you can’t just be like ‘hmm I’ll break it’

[reef parcel]

Oh there’s a limit? For like civis and mils

[lunar folio]

Well there’s both

[reef parcel]

If that’s what you mean again my English isn’t very good so sorry about that

So you could do like no limit or something for mils and civis and infinite building slots to goof around it

In*

[lunar folio]

I mean again what happens if you shift click

[visual willow]

You can always try modding a limit of a billion
Gl to keep that running though

[lunar folio]

Yeah honestly just get someone to make you a mod or make one yourself

The devs have more important things than a very specific command to make

[reef parcel]

How would I make a mod for infinite building slots when it can’t be made

[visual willow]

It can

There is a mod for like 100 slots

So look at the code and check what the limit is

[reef parcel]

ong??

i got a maximum build slots one and all it gives is 56 building slots

[visual willow]

Look at the code and look if it truelly is the max

[reef parcel]

how do i look at the code

i've never even coded in my life lol

[visual willow]

Well find it out

I'm not a coding expert

[lunar folio]

A command can’t be made

For all the reasons you can mod it in, you cannot make a command of it or the command would be too time consuming to make

[reef parcel]

so i can mod infinite building slots in your saying?

[visual willow]

We're saying that you can certainly try

[reef parcel]

i got a mod that adds like +1000000000000000000% or smth to building slots for your country and the maximum i had in every state was just 56

[visual willow]

Ok but did you make that mod? Did you look at how exactly it worked?

[reef parcel]

i didn't make it because i didn't code it

and i can't code

[lunar folio]

It’s not actual code

[reef parcel]

Maxslot.1 it says this is the trigger

[visual willow]

Then learn it, simple as that

[lunar folio]

Or ask politely for someone to make it for you

[reef parcel]

i asked the devs if they could make there be no mil civis, whatever limit along with infinite building slots, only problem is unsoliciated dms are against the rules so they have to be in the chat

[lunar folio]

Because the devs have more important things to do

[reef parcel]

that's why i'm asking that they can have their time to put it in a patchnote

and it's not for me it's for everyone cus you could goof and be silly in the game a lot more

[lunar folio]

Ok but just do that with mods then

[reef parcel]

but the mods aren't devs

[lunar folio]

Modifications

Not moderator

[reef parcel]

oh ok

i'm just gonna watch some vicky 3 for a bit

[soft panther]

reichskommi mod

where

[solid gyro]

South America update when😔

[lusty snow]

heard a rumor, gonna be released at the same time as gta 6

[solid gyro]

😔

Might as well be haft life 3

[lusty snow]

team fortress 3

:<

but fr i hope they add some soon

i think brazil, colombia and venezuela would benefit a lot

[stark wren]

Hello,
maybe someone else had this Idea before, but wouldn't it be awesome if the game had playable partisans.
In my head it would work like this:

When your country gets defeated you can choose one of four partisan groups. Some of your divisions become partisan Units and can move around the map, they can be attacked but have a strong defence buff for the state they are in (so the occupier has to work to defeat them). If a partisan unit is in a state long enough it gets occupied (like in CK3/VIC2/EU4), the enemy has to reoccupy the state. Has the occupied state a factory you can use it. If you get strong enough you may click a button to form your country again (All states the Partisans occupy will become the country), all partisan buffs are lost. In addition you can work or fight with the other partisans for power and you can choose to help the war effort and release units as full divisions and lay down an important supply hub or something like this to help the major powers.

I think it would be a nice addition. (By the way, my English is not the yellow of the egg)

[lusty snow]

thats a good idea

though ai would be very annoying

[visual willow]

the only way it could really work is if your divisions where invisible and you could make them "appear"

actual troops wouldnt work

[lusty snow]

suddenly the snow will be speaking finnish

[stark wren]

Yeah, exactly like that

[lusty snow]

germany: invades country
yugoslav partisans: let us introduce ourselves

[silk garden]

soviet partisans otw to cripple the german supply network

https://tenor.com/view/walking-headphones-personabeys-personabey-gif-25244099

also make it so that a higher garrison law detects partisans easier

[wet owl]

And maybe a meter on how supported a partisan group is by the population/government

[shy shore]

Wasn’t Brazil the only nation to officially get involved in WW2? Which could be in game covered as an expeditionary force. So if they were to make a DLC/patch about South America all the historical focus trees would have to essentially do no foreign policy.

[lunar folio]

Yeah South America doesn't not deserve a focus tree, but also I would rather almost anyone else get a new tree or even overhauls before them

[shy shore]

The non-historical paths could go crazy and involve the American Pax system with maybe American investment for effective political control in the nations.

But yeah I think just because it could be done doesn’t make it the best choice for a new focus trees.

[spring juniper]

Wondering about the expansion of Axis members' focus trees, with Iraq, Finland, and Siam getting ones.

[lunar folio]

At some point I reckon all of them will

[shy shore]

Well I’m just happily awaiting the little changes in the updates at the moment. But I like playing as difficult small nations so I feel like Belgium, Ireland and Denmark could use a focus tree.

[lunar folio]

Denmark has a lot of potential due to their history. Ireland not so much, though you could go the Celtic route

I'm scared for Belgium because it kinda just sounds like Netherlands but worse

[shy shore]

Ireland had major problems with volunteers going to join the British forces and trying to keep its sense of new identity.

[lunar folio]

Yeah but how much can that transfer to HOI4

[shy shore]

Exactly haha Denmark too they’re early goals. Each could flee to colonies.

[shy shore]

True I watched a documentary recently the head of Irish Archeology at the time was a Austrian who was a member of the N party. Guess it was still on the brain but yeah by my own logic of South America maybe not Ireland then. Replace it with Norway.

[hollow lion]

try Ireland tree

I wish we got Austria instead of Switzerland tree

[visual willow]

On thr flipside, i don't want the quality of switzerland on austria

Aka not that much

[hollow lion]

Based

[lusty snow]

honestly i kinda want them in a future update to add a focus tree to just brazil

kinda like with bba or nsb

nsb had poland while bba had swiss

[visual willow]

huh

those arent exactly comparable

[spring juniper]

there was also the initial poland focus tree

y'know

the one before bba

which was also released for free

[visual willow]

but the swiss tree isnt free?

[ruby silo]

German tree rework now probto asap

[solid gyro]

America needs a new tree

[ruby silo]

^ this

badly

really badly

[solid gyro]

Minor Nations Rework

Don’t forget Luxembourg, Sweden, Norway, Iceland (can get some kind of tree) Finland

[lunar folio]

Frankly I think Luxembourg and Iceland are awful ideas beyond what amounts to a generic tree reskin

[jovial belfry]

Yeah

But I think Iran focus tree or Iraq focus tree would be cool

[lunar folio]

I would like Iran and Iraq to get them,yes

[jovial belfry]

But I can always play road to 56 too you know

[lunar folio]

Yeah, that's great if you like it, but unfortunately I think RT56 trees feel weird

[jovial belfry]

Why

[lunar folio]

I don't know

There is something off about RT56 trees

I have no actual reasoning

Like this is probably irrational

[silk garden]

if anything theyre better than base trees

[lunar folio]

Some

I think all NSB trees are significantly better than all the RT56 trees I played

[silk garden]

some are just reskins tho which is cringe

[silk garden]

old rt56 ussr tree >>>>>> new ussr tree

[lunar folio]

I thought the old RT56 USSR was crap

[silk garden]

it was so much better than what we have currently

[lunar folio]

I massively prefer the NSB tree

[silk garden]

it didnt take 2 years for you to flip in a civil war where you lose everything

the eco tree wasnt 50% debuffs

[lunar folio]

I like both of those

[silk garden]

whatever floats your boat ig

[lunar folio]

Yeah I think we are at a very big splitting off point in the HOI4 community in focus tree design

Like I am of the more complex, debuff-removing ideology, but I know people who prefer how simple the trees of WTT are

[hollow lion]

NSB soviet tree is repetitive af

[silk garden]

not even repetitive imo, just rly overdone

uk tree best tree

[visual willow]

Only the industry/military side

The political branches of the uk can reallly use some expension

[azure python]

They're pretty short

[silk garden]

democratic is 9/11, communist is 6/11, fascist is 4/11, monarchist is 7/11

[velvet shuttle]

imagine not tech rushing engine 3

couldn't b me

[autumn anvil]

Democratic is 9/11, that sounds wring for some reason

[silk garden]

i wonder why

[pastel onyx]

same tbh

[polar jasper]

FINALLY! Always wanted that feature!

[sinful solar]

Probably because they dont have any real end goal

[fierce rune]

BRASIL too

[fierce rune]

its too overwhelming imo

[solid gyro]

That’s separate for South America

Was talking European nations

Communist Italy should’ve had another funny path for communist Rome

Would’ve been big funny if they did

Good suggestion for Finland + Nordic dlc, give Finland smth similar to Estonia, but also allow the “Red Guards” of Finland a choice to take charge like they fought white Finland in 1917-1918

[fierce rune]

i still cant accept the fact the devs gave trees to lithuania, latvia and estonia, and made an update solely focused on soviet union and didn't give finland a tree

[solid gyro]

Agreed

Guess they’re waiting for that Nordic idea DLC

[fierce rune]

or made an update with italy and switzerland but austria is still dead

[solid gyro]

I’m hoping they allow the paganism to take over Denmark Sweden Norway
(I think it would count as fascism)

[solid gyro]

Austria needs a tree lol

Maybe there will be a similar DLC as they did it with the dominions?

“Forgotten European Nations”

[solid gyro]

Ye same, I hated the border gore

[lunar folio]

Dude what happened