latest-updates

[visual willow]

Ideology will be later

though maybe not a full ideology rework, but definitely differences between government forms and sub-ideologies

so maybe it will also slightly touch on ideologies

[soft panther]

man shut yo goofy

[visual willow]

huh

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/hoi4-dev-diary-thoughts-roadmap.1509941/

More differences between sub-ideologies and government forms

it's just a roadmap so clearly up to change

[wild oak]

Will the Blood by Alone DLC boost fps?

[quiet lichen]

Fps in that game is fantastic

[soft panther]

yeah maybe in around 6 years

after they rework cuba

[visual willow]

Anywhere between next update(after bba) and 6 years lol

[soft panther]

I think they might just make Nordic dlc a country pack

rather than a full scale dlc

[smoky hinge]

They said after all major nations are had been redone it was going to be split into country packs and general gameplay reworks, similar to BftB

[soft panther]

im fine with that

[soft panther]

@smoky hinge

when did they say that?

[smoky hinge]

This was a while ago i can't remember when

[soft panther]

oh, how long ago tho like

a few years?

[visual willow]

technically germany has never been redone, right

[smoky hinge]

Well it had, it's better than what it was before

[visual willow]

Oh i thought it was just adding alt-hist paths, and that the historical tree always has been like this. nvm then

[smoky hinge]

Old tree

New tree

[visual willow]

Ah, only minimal changes historically-politically then

[smoky hinge]

Germany is that situation of, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"

[visual willow]

Not to much added really

[visual willow]

Germany is lacking political wise

It's just ww1 larp or historical

[smoky hinge]

I do agree, they could have more to do

[visual willow]

Every other part us just... mehhh

Military and airtree are both fairly bland tbf

Industry tree is okayish ig but simple, which is it's own strength not too many complains there

[smoky hinge]

They don't need a lot, when they have a lot of the starting tech already

Like all 36' fighters

[visual willow]

Fair but eh still, military trees consistong solely out + mils or 100% research buffs are weak anyways

[smoky hinge]

From a gameplay perspective, you gotta find ways to do those focuses that don't also just overbuff Germany, because like I said they already start with a lot of tech unlocked

I'm sure there's a way, i'm not a game designer

[visual willow]

Definitely

Ok i pressed enter and now it could be seen as rude lol

[smoky hinge]

haha nah, you're all g

I like these discussions

[visual willow]

Soviets also kinda have a cool military tree, but they have some uhhhhhh weird focuses

[smoky hinge]

It's very padded

[visual willow]

Cough cough +10 mils with 1 focus cough cough

[smoky hinge]

Some of the stuff is good, other stuff is uhhh certainly something

[visual willow]

Aslong as there is a balance in mp

Though tbf germany rework alongside minor tweaks to other trees for balance would also be cool

[smoky hinge]

For sure, I think they'll do it eventually, but as someone who was playing since WTT, it's a patience game

[visual willow]

Jup.... it'll take 2 years at the least anyways

Probs first DoD and TFV trees

And japan-china

And THEN maybe germany

....not even talking about stuff like nordics dlc and whatmore

[smoky hinge]

From how I understand their design process works, it basically comes down to who wants to work on what

hence why there is a Switzerland tree for example

[visual willow]

Yeah, but they do try to make it a bit of 1 theme/area with which countries get reworked

And tbf what will they re-rework alongside germany???

[smoky hinge]

Excluding the German rework with Japan/china stuff lol

[visual willow]

All of china again seems like too much work with the quality of newer trees

[visual willow]

It has "tiger" in the name which can be refering to the tank

[smoky hinge]

True true haha

I think touch up China and the communists, leave the warlords

[visual willow]

Nahhh give the warlords atleast some love

Plus manchuko

[smoky hinge]

Maybe make them more unique to their locations

[visual willow]

That's what i was thinking, there honestly is no reason to ever take yunnan, shan xi, or sibei san ma

Cause guangxi and sinkiang are the strongest, and the most unique one

Giving china some actual political paths instead of which china you choose=ideology would be great

Japan also needs some better althist

Cause honestly even on ahistorical really nothing special happens in asia

[smoky hinge]

Never really, the one time I played Shanxi I took over china politically they have a silent workhorse

[visual willow]

Ok shanxi has a silent workhorse, that's barely something

[smoky hinge]

Japan does need to have more, but pretty limiting on what they can do considering they'll go to war with everyone in the area anyway

The commie path does need more stuff too it though

[visual willow]

True, and china political tree would be cool for if they think they have done enough

Cause after retaking china there really just is fight/ally india, get tibet, maybe get mongolia, and maybe refight japan cause why not!

And that's it.... for every single china tree

[smoky hinge]

Again, it's kind of like what else can they do? Though I think China should be able to join a faction

[visual willow]

Yeah, that mostly

Maybe going fascist and teaming up with germany, fsster then japan gets triparte act and attacking russia in siberia ig

Honestly idk much about china during that era but more alt-hist stuff would just be cool if it is available

Especially because if japan doesnt attack you cause of THEIR alt hist paths, china is kinda just nothing

[smoky hinge]

I know a bit, it's kind of hard for china to do a whole given the situation, but I think they should have a bit to do post internal issues

[visual willow]

Yeah, or hell even IGNORE their problems and do something else first lmfao

Not like the warlords are really THAT valuable

Warlord focus tree doesnt even have any extra factories to get

[smoky hinge]

I think they should be more pragmatic, like being able to join the faction they appeal to more in the foreign tree

[visual willow]

Yeah probably

[smoky hinge]

just trying to think of ideas, like I said i'm not a game dev haha

[visual willow]

Me neither

I just think asia is incredibly bland

Europe colonized it for spices, then why is it all so bland smh

[smoky hinge]

When the war was mostly in europe and their were only two nations from Asia involved it's pretty unavoidable

[visual willow]

India, china, japan

Just those 3 really need some stuff tbf

After everyone is put up to modern quality, things like the middle east and less important asian countries can be touched

[smoky hinge]

Exactly

100% agreed

[visual willow]

And maaaybe after like 10 years, south america

[smoky hinge]

15 years

Lets be generous

[soft panther]

victoria 4

[signal shell]

Did they add an embargo function in BBA?

[soft panther]

@signal shell yeah

[tepid prawn]

Standinavia needs focus trees next tbh

Norway in perticular

[visual willow]

Next dlc, 95% certain

[tepid prawn]

Yeah, norway, sweden and denmark

A smaller style DLC like battle of bos

Theres a lot that can be done with a norwegian focus tree

[visual willow]

Could, though gameplay wouldnt be too bad either

[silk garden]

i hope the next dlc also brings and ideology rework

[tepid prawn]

Oh and finland needs one

[visual willow]

Don't forget finland, they need one the most

Finland has the most ww2 stuff going on

[tepid prawn]

Norway and finland id say both needs it the most

[visual willow]

And there is no continuation war yet...

[smoky hinge]

Denmark needs it the most

[tepid prawn]

Lol

[silk garden]

yea finland is more important than sweden

[visual willow]

Yeah and just 2 is off, so put the other 2 too in it then

If you only do 3 it feels off, if you only do 2 it's too little

[smoky hinge]

If I can't turn the 6 hour war into a 6 year war then what's the point

[tepid prawn]

All 4

Nordic countries

Northern Light DLC, ez

[silk garden]

as denmark you should have a decision for when the germans invade where you can surrender within the first week or so and become a german puppet

thatd be cool

[visual willow]

Imo finland>sweden>denmark/norway in terms of needing a tree

[tepid prawn]

Sweden more than norway???

[visual willow]

Collab path

[smoky hinge]

Yeah but we need muh Brazil tree first

[silk garden]

sweden from purely a historical pov needs it the least

[tepid prawn]

Yeah

Norway was directly involved

[silk garden]

but from an 'its a strategy game' pov it needs a tree the most

[visual willow]

Yeah, swedenxhas more potentional historically and has to balance helping the allies and axis during ww2 , that's interesting

[tepid prawn]

Norway should get coastal defense ships

Or hull rather

[silk garden]

we need more unique hulls

[smoky hinge]

Sweden is very suitable for the balance of power mechanic that's in BBA

[silk garden]

like the panzerschiff

[tepid prawn]

Panzershiff is neat

[visual willow]

Or maybe something slightly else but yeah

[tepid prawn]

CA with heavy guns

[visual willow]

Japan too with the military and navy

[silk garden]

bros we need a habbakuk hull for britain

[visual willow]

Though i hope it's slightly different, a unique mechanic for every major would be very cool

But uhh idk for sure what for britain and france which have quite decent trees too

[smoky hinge]

France was a bit of a political dumpster fire at that point in time

[visual willow]

For britain probs either morale or parlemaint like USA

[smoky hinge]

Their current demo path is basically, ignore the problems at home and focus on Germany

[visual willow]

For usa remove senate and add a great depression system, which can give you huge buffs later on

While nerfing actual USA factory counts perhaps so conquering the US doesnt give you it's industry without drawbacks idk

[visual willow]

Little entente

[smoky hinge]

Gotta love the little entente

[visual willow]

I love destroying german AI and overwhelming them with a massive faction yayyy

If only germany would go around the maginot by then, just dont eht the benelux in your faction and ez EU

[smoky hinge]

France always wins

[solid gyro]

1870 flashbacks

[soft panther]

Norway and Sweden both needs one

and honestly why would they not add them if it's a Nordic based dlc

and ppl prob don't rly care about Norway's history but it was pretty sad if u look into their royalty and how weak their government was during the british & german invasion

[visual willow]

no reason not to, if they leave ANY of the nordics behind it would just be off

[soft panther]

if they rly have to take out one of the nordic nations, then i'd say it's sweden

[visual willow]

haha no

sweden has too much historical importance with it and had to balance helping the allies and the axis

denmark would make more sense, with it dying so quickly some nations post-war considered thinking of denmark as collaborating with the axis

plus it's the smallest, weakest one, that's not in the middle of them all

[quartz bronze]

Denmark was also kinda just occupied the whole war. I can't think of anything influential that happened there. It was also occupied until the end of the war.

[visual willow]

But tbf if you give the tree other nordic nations a tree you can atleast muster up something for denmark

Maybe not a huge masterfull tree but still

[quartz bronze]

It could be like the new Zealand tree

[visual willow]

hey, new zealand but just all around better would be okayish

Current default tree is lacking so upgraded default tree with flavour is ok enough

Not NZ though which is just.... no

[quartz bronze]

So like Canada tree

[visual willow]

Yeah but even lil bit better then that, idk

Ig denmark is in a worse position then canada

[quartz bronze]

Yeah cuz Canada was more relevant than Denmark in ww2.

[soft panther]

nah

after seeing how competent the devs became with the focus trees I have some hopes that the trees will actually be good

[solid gyro]

Hi ur my bro

[mortal thunder]

how will the game handle NF that gives airplanes like the NF for japanese zero or CAS focus or 2 years ahead with new stuff?

will it be save compatible? so i can finish old saves on ironman

[hollow lion]

no

the map is changed, therefore its a bad idea even if it would load

[shrewd marsh]

does anybody know what time on the 27. it wil release?

it would be sad if its while im at school or while im sleeping or something

[hollow lion]

Id assume Swedish afternoon unless some other time is more convenient on Steam

[soft panther]

it's udc

12 pm EST afternoon

Utc

[gentle willow]

Hopefully they continue making the smaller scale nation tree dlcs

Like they did for Battle for the Bosporus

I would love to see Austria have a big tree

[hollow lion]

yeh

Id have preferred Albania over Ethiopia because they are in a less awful position for expansion 👅
Same with Austria over Switzerland but less so

[visual willow]

Ethiopia able to whitepeace after just taking a couple of provinces in africa though

[hollow lion]

mhm

but then

[gentle willow]

I’m just glad we can finally have a good African nation focus tree that isn’t just South Africa

[visual willow]

On the flipside, because you said "good" SA doesnt count

[soft panther]

south africa is so ass thst it makes me wanna cry everytume I see it

[visual willow]

No TFV tree is good lol

[harsh hull]

DLC pack 9 2023: Together for Victory II - This Time With Feeling

[visual willow]

Puppet rework would also be sick

[harsh hull]

Also gives British Malaysia and Egypt a focus tree, and makes Egypt an English puppet rather than a fully occupied territory

[visual willow]

You should be able to choose your puppet leaders (except for dominions probably)

Cause if you are hitler and fighting fascist italy, why would you KEEP him after???? Get one of your own then

And actually controll their politics somewhat

And they shouldnt be able to refuse if you're asking for territory....

....and they shouldnt give your enemy military access if you arenr calling them in....

[soft panther]

who cares about egypt

and Malaysia

[visual willow]

I have every single one of these issues in my hug-oslavia run

[visual willow]

Egypt more potentional then ethiopia no cap

[soft panther]

reowking Nordic nations and/or old reowkred focus trees would be more ideal

[visual willow]

Plus they just should be a puppet

[visual willow]

Nordics will likely be next update anyways

[soft panther]

Yeah and I'm pretty sure no one cares about Malay anyways

[visual willow]

And preferably it would come sith old TFV trees rework

Yeah malay can get the boot, idc about malay

Too unimportant and in quite a bad spot

Eqypt is cool though

[soft panther]

ppl be like when Malay focus tree is reowked: ok u accepted our demands but where is austria and Belgium???

[visual willow]

What would you even do with belgium

Except sht like "prepare for the second world war, plus 30 forts on german border"

[soft panther]

Yeah still better than egypt

time to build level 10 forts in suez

and hold for 8 years ex

ez

With my 3 divisions that i recruited by scrapping the barrel

[visual willow]

Wut no lol

Belgium tree would be AT BEST just the netherlands tree but worse

[soft panther]

no

[visual willow]

Eqypt tree is in a more unique position, controlling the suez and in africa. And right next/in the middle east

[soft panther]

then what will egypt do

[visual willow]

What will ethiopia do

Egypt will be able to do the same and easier acces in the middle east

[soft panther]

lemme just defend 24 italian divisions with my 3 unsupplied divisions

[visual willow]

Belgium honestly should at bezy have a better default tree with minor tweaks, like how rt56 does it

[soft panther]

no

look at swiss' focus tree

I'm pretty sure its gonna be better than the netherlands and france combined in terms of contents

[visual willow]

Sadly, probably. But those trees arent exactly stellar examples anyways

[soft panther]

and ethiopia was an independent nation

more potentials than Egypt

and no one cares about egypt

[visual willow]

The new cantoon mechanics seems to only work against AI, players would probs be able to just say no or the cantoons are BS with free territory

[visual willow]

Which gets conquered within a month of the game
Same potentional really

also suez state when

[soft panther]

not rly

not when they have bunch of buffs and decisions that will help you survive thr conquerors

[visual willow]

Sooooo egypt could also have buffs and decisions to let it break away then....

[soft panther]

no

[visual willow]

Ah yes, very logical then

Ethiopia can have stuff but egypt can't because uhhhhh "i said so" ig

[soft panther]

yeah cuz ethiopia was actually part of league of nations

I mean ig egypt can also join

but that's a bs

[obsidian vault]

Egypt was also way more important that what is in game

Important steel manufacturer for the region

Also 10M pop across Cairo and Alexandria means it should have way more build slots

[mortal thunder]

i hope the devs add in NF from ethiopia to South africa when u form mutapa to go down african union

[visual willow]

NF?

[soft panther]

bro said nf

imagine abbreviating something that no one understands

[mortal thunder]

national focus

[visual willow]

just say focus tree

[acoustic creek]

Did they say if Italy would have its old republics as releasable countries? Like Venetia, Genova or Sicily?

[gentle willow]

Naples

But tbh idk

I would assume so like all the releasable nations the USSR has but they never really confirmed anything I don’t think

[visual willow]

I hope you can balkanize italy somewhat, but god plz let the AI not always spam them

[soft panther]

victoria 3 then eu5 then hoi5??

[lunar folio]

Most likely

I consider Stellaris 2 to be a low priority considering how much support it still gets while HOI4 is clearly nearing some level of topping out and EU4 should have been stopped like three years ago

[visual willow]

Hopefully the bad old hoi4 trees first get some love before it stops

[mortal thunder]

is there any benefits to releasables? if u have a core on something its always better to go wide

[acoustic creek]

Genova, Rome/Vatican City, Venetia, Sardinia, Milan, Sicily.... I mean, Italy just was a hodgepodge of republics less than a century before 1936

[visual willow]

Yeah exactly, could be very interesting

Also that being said it's very sad that you can't balkanize germany by default either

[lunar folio]

Releasables in general? Mostly roleplay. Otherwise, best to do so if you're overstretched of manpower and equipment

[visual willow]

Cool roleplay borders are wayyyy better then annexing everything

But if you have cores you make your new borders to accommodate those new cores

[visual willow]

Ngl idk if geneva as a releasable would be too great, does that really make sense? 🤔

It would be a 2 tile state next to what remains of switzerland

[solid gyro]

True I formed Rome and only wanted to take the rhineland from Germany but the soviets would have taken the rest and I couldnt allow that
So it looks like this now

Not very pleasing to the eye

But atleast germania finnaly fell

[visual willow]

Literally puppet germany

[solid gyro]

They did it before i could

[visual willow]

👀or annex the lands rome claimed during that 1 expedition in germania

[solid gyro]

All the way to the elbe

[visual willow]

Yikes, that's always why i puppet things first time

[solid gyro]

But I beat Russia anyway

Though it was 1948 nukes dropped over Russia

[visual willow]

Nice

[solid gyro]

ROMA AETERNA

Anyway I hope Italy isn't gonna be completely crippled. In the new dlc

And perhaps we could have some cool Rome focuses

Where you rename the states

France becomes galien
And what not

[visual willow]

Hahahaha you bet it is

[solid gyro]

Sad

[visual willow]

I hope we also just get more states in general, splitting up trentino and south tyrol for examble

[solid gyro]

Yep what i would love too would be that Italy can become the master of guerrilla tactics

With these new brownshirts and Africa divisions

Though the focuses where you can upgrade your colonies needed to be 35 days

No one is gonna do 5 70day focuses

[visual willow]

They better be

[solid gyro]

Though I am very interest in the new senate and mussloni balance

Can't wait for him to be my only advisor

[silk garden]

some 70 day foci are just ridiculous

foci like anschluss or reorganise the army are fine being 70 days but these 2 civ or 3 railways foci have no business being 70 days

[soft panther]

it does if u rly think about

[solid gyro]

I hope they revamp the conditions for reforming rome

It's a bit ridiculous rn

Basically I hope they do like a Byzantium thing where they made it small and that you could expand

[visual willow]

i mean, forming rome is ridiculous to begin with lmfao
but so are most formables so eh

[solid gyro]

True, but getting there kinda requires world conquest

[visual willow]

yeah, and rome is your reward for having conquered europe :p

[solid gyro]

But pain

[solid gyro]

Oop

[scenic plinth]

it's so cringe that there isn't a way to get a conditional surrender

like eu4

[solid gyro]

wait for new dlc

for 99.99 you can get that AND MORE

(by law more is a vauge term it only includes a small amount of peace deal items)

[radiant locust]

when is bba released

i preordered it

[quartz bronze]

The 27th

[radiant locust]

oh

thx

[radiant locust]

ye

[mortal thunder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwUkbGHFAhs

[mortal thunder]

pls make jerries more OP

[solid gyro]

Today is sad

No dev diary

[hollow lion]

They said theyd be taking a break?

[dim oar]

Also, are things like the new peace conference going to be added to the vanilla game or is it only for the DLC?

[hollow lion]

Free fo sho, but maybe some features wont be

[solid gyro]

Is there a stream?

[grizzled kettle]

Both, the base system of peace conferences will be in the base game when the update is released, but features like demilitarized zones for peace conferences are dlc

[hollow lion]

I really hope navy wont be

Thatd be so stupid

😫

[unkempt arch]

When is next dev diary?

[solid gyro]

Next week

[visual willow]

Updated navy or taking navy? Taking navy will be

[mortal thunder]

heres a radical idea support companies should have a % cost of division size
making engineers for paratroopers viable and to be fair the effort of digging trenches should scale for soldiers ammount

and support companies should have a fixed unlock cost so u dont spend 200 xp for making personal divisions

[hollow lion]

💀

Ill have to make my own peacedeal update

[mortal thunder]

now that u can mix and make multirole fighters / cas how will the game handle them? currentlu it just goes left to right in mission order so if there are enemu fighters no cas usage. will there be a 50/50 efficiencu split will it do both missions?

seems to me new airplane building is a meme and u just wanna make best fighter and cas seperate

i find it weird there is no war reparation so u can take civs or reduce consumergoods from defeated puppet

[carmine cipher]

no dev diary ?

https://tenor.com/view/john-travolta-well-where-is-it-looking-for-something-gif-5291661

[nocturne fjord]

no dev diary ?

https://tenor.com/view/john-travolta-well-where-is-it-looking-for-something-gif-5291661

[soft panther]

no dev diary?

[visual willow]

Wasnt there a bit about that you literally can?

[rich kindle]

you can lol, in the peace deal dev diary they talked about it a lot.

[solid gyro]

Best DLC

Also I'm starting to fear that the Swiss won't get unit models

[golden belfry]

hm, liectenstein as city, not even vaduz, liectenstein

[solid gyro]

Yes

[visual willow]

liectenstein as a country would be weird innit

[golden belfry]

I mean yeah, then it will probably give live to more micro nations

[visual willow]

ehhh

what are you gonna do as a micro nation

got even less potentional then some already existing nations

[harsh hull]

Don't you talk about Luxumbourg like that

Luxumbourg is capable of anything it sets its mind to

[plain elm]

Switzerland will get unique unit models

[solid gyro]

Is it just hidden in the screenshots?

That's awesome to hear tho it's my favorite thing about new dlcs

[lean nexus]

What about Lithuanian rework ?

[unkempt arch]

Next expansion when?

Please give date

[mortal thunder]

was there ever anu tank aces? or war heroes? im thinking that combat divisions could have a tank ace like air wings have em and exceptional people are generated as sgt or such

[visual willow]

we will get division commanders so maybe like that

[mortal thunder]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aces_of_aces#Tank_aces

tank and sub aces were a thing

im thinking wouldnt smaller armies give an organisation bonus. rn u onlu get a penatlu going over 24 but what if u had 5 divisions under a general couldnt he micro them more efficient. this would solve the issue of the 20 german generals never being used or encourage hiring more

[solid gyro]

I wonder

Why is the new DLC By Blood Alone and not Mare Norstrum

[visual willow]

Cause 2 of the 3 trees have nothing to do with the med lol

[solid gyro]

True, but Rome

And its an Italy centered DLC anyways

[visual willow]

Still

If it was like 2 of the 3 or all of the countries where on med, sure

[solid gyro]

Makes sense

Im Kinda Confused as to why Albania didnt get a tree

Maybe for some sort of future cursed "Small Nations" Dlc

Albania, Luxemburg, and that new Starting Nation

[lean nexus]

No it's op Ethiopia

[lean nexus]

I think it will be Nordic countries

[solid gyro]

Probably

Scandinavia makes sense since 3/4 did participate in ww2

But I wonder how they'll handle Finland

I kinda hope they add options to switch sides

[jaunty peak]

When update germany,japan,yugo,hungary,Romanian, czech,china,all british puppets focus trees?

[visual willow]

Cause wth are you going to do with albania

At best albania should get some special flavour focuses if the base focus tree gets reworked, like how rt56 does it for belgium and luxembourg

[soft panther]

ong

swiss focus tree is acc so good

better than half of Europe combined

[visual willow]

After they do the nordics they better start reworking oldee trees

[solid gyro]

Basically something like what they did with the Baltics

But with more flavor

[visual willow]

Baltics have more potentional then albania ngl

Cause there is unifying the baltics

Lithuania has rich history

Estland's ties with the nordics is interesting

And ostland is just dumb random

[solid gyro]

Ye

Albania could do the same stuff

[visual willow]

But as albania you have 2 neighbours, both very big compared to you

[solid gyro]

Ik pretty sure Albanians originated from the Caucauses so that could be a weird path

[solid gyro]

Probably gonna be a cursed path or two

[visual willow]

It would be worse then the greece tree, which always expects you to fight turkey to which you are arent really a great match

[solid gyro]

I assume Albania will play like the Baltics

Basically a historical/resistance tree, submission and puppet tree, and then a totally a-historical wacky branch

[visual willow]

Yeah but what kinda ahistorical wacky will you even do as albania

Also the baltics dont really have a submission tree unless you count going commie

[solid gyro]

Ye

Also they have a focus to become a puppet instead of being annexed

Weirdly enough they all have a Military dictatorship tree that no one has ever mentioned too

[solid gyro]

Maybe something with Epirus? Or Going commie, or something with Kosovo

[visual willow]

And what, "something with 1 state" is nothing, and what about going commie

I just really dont see a fully fledged albania tree working, albania is just in a too bad place for it

The baltics have wayyy more potentional

Ethiopia arguably aswell

The swiss where an odd choice i'll give you that but it seems to be okayish considering you at the least have austria

[solid gyro]

Albania has some potential

It's the manpower that really kinda limits them

Which is why there will probably be focuses about it

About manpower*

[solid gyro]

When I say epirus I'm referring to Phyrrus, and maybe something about taking Italy as a meme tree
And communism has that one command spirit that'll net you 500 manpower per week

[soft panther]

also Albania is a bit too small

meaning that it will have a rough start since u can't rly build alot of factories

and unlike the baltics there isn't any nations around u with similar size

maybe yugo, but compared to Albania they were doing way better

[visual willow]

yugo is like 3 times as strong

greece is their weakest neighbour but is all mountains and small pathways

[solid gyro]

They'll probably do something like the broken industry tree for the Baltics

Like exponential factory growth

[visual willow]

considering it's the baltics it's really not THAT broken

[soft panther]

Albania was mote of a puppet of italy by 1936 soo

[mortal thunder]

does anyone spend 70 days to get albania or do u just declare war and gobble it during a major war

[visual willow]

you kinda need it to go further with your italy tree

however, it's the italy tree so who cares

[soft panther]

I feel like evn Siam would be funner than Albania tbh

[solid gyro]

True, it's just amazing how fast your industry grows if you United the Baltics or take over them

[visual willow]

yeah cause you basically tripple it

[solid gyro]

Probably considering it's playability, I just think Albania would be fun for non-historical games and just to Gove every nation a focus

Also eventually the Central and South American nations will receive focuses soooo

[visual willow]

yeah but again, i dont see albania having much unique content 🤷‍♀️ just update the base hoi4 focus tree and give albania just a few flavour focuses

[visual willow]

hopefully they wont, or it will take till like 2027

[solid gyro]

The Scandinavian dlc will probably be the last major one and then the rest will be just packs like BoB

[soft panther]

nah

[visual willow]

after the nordics i would rather see reworks for existing trees from TFV, DOD, and WTT

[soft panther]

they said after rocking every major nations

[visual willow]

and tbf i can see the nordics being just an expansion pack too

[soft panther]

they would just start making country packs

and germany is an exception but I'm pretty sure they wont make another gigantic dlc for it

[visual willow]

japan and germany both kinda need a rework so yeah

[visual willow]

maybe not a dlc but they should definitely rework it

[soft panther]

japan needs one desperately

getmany is lacking in contents but their balancing is very good

[solid gyro]

They wanted to make a feature to limit army sizes post-war/late game

[visual willow]

yeah but there just need to be more political paths

[solid gyro]

So either it could be a cold/post war dlc

[soft panther]

they are powerful but weak enough so that the allies gets a chance to actually counter them

[visual willow]

literally the only paths people play cause they are fun is ww1 larp (which only works partially) and historical nazi germany

[solid gyro]

I've played Democratic

[soft panther]

Hoi5 is 2025 kind of thing so

we should expect that anytime soon

and if they just start releasing country packs

I'd say it would only take 8 months max

which is like 3 more

[solid gyro]

Ye

Cold war DLC then country packs

[soft panther]

no

not cold war

[solid gyro]

There will probably be one at one point

[visual willow]

all the "befriend x" focuses for germany are utterly shite, demo germany is mehhh as it's almost solely just a big faction and nothing more, and joining the allies gives you democratic restraints and france usually still just joins the allies

[soft panther]

there isn't much to do with it anyways and u basically have to change the entire game to actually make it look good

[visual willow]

hoi4 doesnt work up untill the cold war

[soft panther]

and most of the time the capitulation is either cursed or one nation eats everything so not sure how cold war would work out

[solid gyro]

What does the Befreind x focuses even do

[visual willow]

pretty much nothing

they make the other country more fascist but not enough to actually make them fascist

[soft panther]

If they wanna make a cold war, then it has to be like a major dlc kind of expansion

[visual willow]

germany really needs an alt-fascist tree, better monarch trees (both), a better demo tree, and a better commie tree. and a hidden HRE path would be appreciated too

[soft panther]

like the shogun fall of the samurais

[soft panther]

cuz in most vanilla games, the chances of ais to make the map like the cold war is close to zero do

[visual willow]

hopefully peace deal rework will fix the AI but i doubt it...

[soft panther]

Nah ita gonna make it worse

demilitarization zone in the middle of nowhere

lile Berlin or something

[visual willow]

unless they fix the AI

[soft panther]

ai rework dlc???

[visual willow]

but looking at the devdairies for peace deals.... those look horrific too

[soft panther]

-improves ai intelligence

Even the dev diari3s confirmed that the new peace deals will be super cursed

Britain taking the French navy is super inpabalanced and op

Inbalanced

[visual willow]

not really

it's still the AI

[soft panther]

no nation would ever counter that

even the US, pressing battleships every 5 days

[lunar folio]

You mean carriers
They made like 5 battleships

[soft panther]

no in hoi4

[solid gyro]

New acheivement

Or probably gonna be cursed for peacedeal

Versailles 2.0, as France De militarize all german states and impose war reps on the rhine

[errant herald]

it will probably be a separate game

like east vs west

[lunar folio]

Yeah HOI4 is not a Cold War compatible game at all

The Cold War was centred around diplomacy and politics
HOI4 is literally a war simulator

[mortal thunder]

i think all PDX games would benefit from amd fsr. if there was a togglable to drop upscaling to 75% when at max speed to remove gpu bottleneck would be great

[lunar folio]

What GPU bottleneck

I dunno what that is though

After some testing
GPU was at about 15% roughly for 3D engine
Meanwhile CPU 8 reached about 80% on average

[solid gyro]

I mean like a dlc that makes playing the Kate game a little more fun and bearable

[lunar folio]

Yeah but that’s not Cold War

[visual willow]

There isnt really a GPU bottleneck though, it's mostly the CPU faik

Cause the graphics are barely present lol

[lunar folio]

Yeah my jump from 1650 Super to 6600 XT was unnoticable compared to my jump from 3200g to 12600k

Like the game didn’t change speed at all with GPU switch

[solid gyro]

I'm just using it as a general time frame

Other than that

It'd be super interesting to have like the growth of other political parties heightened with low stability and war support

Ao like I'd your playing Fascist Germany with low stability but high war support Neutrality will raise, of both stats are low communism and democracy will raise

[mortal thunder]

im not as rich as u and have a bad gpu

[lunar folio]

Then that’s a system imbalance not a general GPU bottleneck. For you, FSR wouldn’t do anything because it’s too new

[visual willow]

If your gpu bottlenecks you in hoi4 it bottlenecks you EVERYWHERE massively

[soft panther]

austria doesn't deserve a tree

[visual willow]

y not

[soft panther]

cuz

Albania = Austria

[visual willow]

fair point

always forgot they where one and the same country

[soft panther]

similar power

similar geo

[visual willow]

not at all similar geo

[soft panther]

in terms of being surrounded by ppl way stronger than u

[visual willow]

albania is not landlocked and only has 2 way more powerfull neighbours, with very little history

[soft panther]

and don't even say hungary and swiss

cuz if u attack swiss woth the new dlc

all the majors will come attacking u

[visual willow]

austria neighbours 2 roughly equal neighbours, and has the history to get back the austrian empire

[visual willow]

where'd ya get that from

[soft panther]

🦧

[visual willow]

austria at the least could get a 1:1 copy of what hungary has for AH lmfao, but that tree is meh so lpz not

[soft panther]

yeah austria getting a focus tre prov means no more hoi4 so

I understand why they didn't rework austria

[visual willow]

cause 🐒

and they wanted an easier tree cause they realized they where gonna waste it all with ethiopia and italy so they couldnt get another similar sized tree ig, cause austria has quite some history

and austria tree alongside hungary, czechoslovakia, and hopefully both yugo and romenia would be wonderfull too

[soft panther]

nah ethiopia makes lots of sense

[visual willow]

never said it wasnt

[soft panther]

very symbolic aswell

[visual willow]

though wouldnt at all have complained if they just scrapped it for austria

[soft panther]

pretty much the only African nation that stood against colonism apart from Liberia (pretty much america)

no

no austria

austria = weak germany = no game

[visual willow]

did liberia stood against colonialism though

[soft panther]

no

[visual willow]

collaborating with germany, germany going alt-hist

[soft panther]

nope

[visual willow]

ethiopia tree also doesnt really work unless they go alt hist lmfao

[soft panther]

collaborating nice joke

what are uvgonna do

og im just gonna join ur faction and give u my 5 unsupplies divisions

very helpful!@!

[visual willow]

austrian empire under german supervision

[soft panther]

nah

[visual willow]

i mean if you complain about a possible austria tree then surely you will complain about ethiopia getting a tree

[soft panther]

germany annexing austria is atleast 4 times better than those 'puppet' or 'collaboration" choices

[visual willow]

and the swiss too cause they where neutral for hundreds of years, only not being neutral when they where invaded

[visual willow]

it wouldnt be for germany though

it would be for austria

[soft panther]

well swiss is fun cuz u can have fun passing ppl off

[visual willow]

and it would only be 1 path anyways tbf

[soft panther]

pissing

And would be a good strategic point

but austria idk

[harsh hull]

Every time you complain about what countries you think do and don't deserve the dev team's time and focus

The Nordic DLC is delayed another year

[soft panther]

Yea

[harsh hull]

Next year is going to be Austria, Albania, and Brazil now

[visual willow]

and if germany goes alt-hist (so no anschluss) you should still be able to "collaborate" with germany, joining a faction or something

[soft panther]

alt his is not the main point of the game

[harsh hull]

Smooth move, you've now sent us all to Brazil

[visual willow]

it's the main point of focus trees, and again, ethiopia

[lunar folio]

Basically is at this point

[soft panther]

and im pretty sure the dev team considers their contents on historical standards

well germany never goes alt his in historical game so????

and I don't think everyone plays mp lol

[lunar folio]

But they can in non-historical

[visual willow]

and ethiopia always falls???

[harsh hull]

Yeah, because you're playing historical you wally

[soft panther]

not with the new dlc lol

[visual willow]

bro, are you even listening to yourself

[lunar folio]

Yes which is alt-history

Ethiopia not getting conked is alt-history, through and througg

[soft panther]

ok guys cry and get mad there won't be a rework for austria for atleast 2 years 😭😭😭😂😂😂

[visual willow]

"austria wont work with a tree, they always die in historical"
"so does ethiopia"
"yeah but you can go ahistorical with ethiopia"

[visual willow]

there wont be a rework on any tree except the nordics and BBA for atleast 2 years lmfao

nordics is like, 95% certain the dlc after bba

[soft panther]

exactly

[visual willow]

i'll be stunned if it isnt

[soft panther]

and i bet the next rework after those will be majors

[lunar folio]

And now he’s just doing ad hominem

[soft panther]

not some random ass austria

[visual willow]

austria would fit perfectly with a rework of the rest of the upper balkans

[soft panther]

yeah im 4 years

in

[visual willow]

yeah, and

[lunar folio]

Yes. Former Austria-Hungary rework pleqse

[visual willow]

did i ever say they needed to rework austria right after next dlc???

[soft panther]

👍

humgary reowkr pls

🤓🤓

[visual willow]

i would say DOD and TFV are about equal in need of reworks

[soft panther]

yea

[lunar folio]

Yeah those are all quite ancient by today’s standards

[visual willow]

dod is in a more impactfull area, but tfv are even more outdated

after those 2 probs WTT trees

[lunar folio]

As much I hate to say it DoD is probably more important

[soft panther]

I'd be happy if they rework the balkan nations like yugo

not too much but more contents

[visual willow]

either full on china-japan rework or germany with uhhh idk what more

[soft panther]

yugo is pretty good except the communist path

[visual willow]

honestly, germany rework with just completely game balance overhaul would be great

[lunar folio]

WTT are at least quite fun even if short, DoD and TFV are just really ancient

[soft panther]

yeah

[lunar folio]

Also we should remember Yugo did get a rework and it still wasn’t great

[visual willow]

yugo only got minor updates tbf

[soft panther]

it wasn't great but it also wasn't terrible

I'd say it's somewhere in the mid range

[visual willow]

it was reworked but it now just feels like a wtt tree

[soft panther]

better than dod

[visual willow]

yugo tree is still bad tbf

[lunar folio]

Which are quite mediocre

[visual willow]

military tree is bad

[soft panther]

I think they wont be reworking yugoslavia

[visual willow]

sea tree is... idk didnt look too much into it

[soft panther]

since they have already went through it

[visual willow]

they technically reworked every tree🤓

yugo stil needs one

[soft panther]

they even reworked nepal

lol

[visual willow]

the air tree is ehhh okayish ig

[soft panther]

royal nepal army thing

spoiler for himalayan dlc????

💀💀

[lunar folio]

Unironically based

[visual willow]

the left side is just removing your debuffs one by one untill you dont have them anymore, with minor effot or annoyances

then you join the axis for a civil war, most exciting stuff in the entire tree!!!

claims on bulgaria... which likely has already joined the axis by then unless you rush it lol

the right side is just destroying your country so many puppets

which is probs the most fun path

[soft panther]

thats better than romania

[visual willow]

you can unify it and get cores on bulgaria and hungary for.... some reason

but gl taking them out

the commie path is mehhh

you become commie, remove all your debuffs in LITERALLY 1 F*CCING FOCUS. and then turn everyone commie around you and hope they join your faction and not the comintern and that's it

[soft panther]

germany is good

I wish they dont even rework it

[visual willow]

germany is ehh but kinda showing it's cracks

[soft panther]

or maybe like ss route or something

[visual willow]

kinda bland political wise, cause the only decent routes is just historical and ww1 part 2

[soft panther]

like tno

himmler gains power

[visual willow]

democracy is just very big faction, only cool thing is that it's the biggest faction but that's really it

alliance with the shade barely works, cause france probs STILL wouldve joined the allies by then so making them commie doesnt do much and then you will get demo constraints

[soft panther]

alot of different paths for fascism like the leaked italy tree would be fun

[visual willow]

there should honestly be at the least 1 alt-fascist tree

[soft panther]

yeah

himmler tree would be so cool tho

like worse version of hitler

[lunar folio]

He was quite a bit more sinister

[soft panther]

more beutal

yea

Brutal

like changing germany more dark

[lunar folio]

Also isn’t the reason they didn’t kill Hitler because they feared someone smarter would come aboard

Oh worse as in ethically

[soft panther]

but I think they can't add himmler cuz if rhey do

[lunar folio]

Not intelligence

[soft panther]

theyd be cancelled by every platforms

well compared ro hitler most of his government hrs were mostly worse than hitler so

I'd say that'd be a good content for germany in the future

like I said

tno

different fascist route, some more extreme and some more gentle

routes

[visual willow]

germany tree political paths should be:
historical fascist tree
alt-fascist (not sure what, not an expert on nazi germany internal politics)
ww1 larp route but a bit more modern, and make it so that danzig for guarentees works and that poland is guaranteed to join YOUR faction and not the allies if soviets attack them
alliance with the shade path i guess but idk what more it could have, france actually not joining the allies would be great.
hidden easter egg HRE path like romanov poland
commie path
democratic path where you do atleast more then big faction, still not exactly sure what

[soft panther]

and it was also in fact true that himmler and ss tried over throwing hitler

[visual willow]

you can already get himmler as leader

[soft panther]

taking over

[soft panther]

yeah for 3 minutes

[lunar folio]

I should make a mod that just fixes vanilla garbage they don’t want to fix

[soft panther]

I rly want a fascist path

[lunar folio]

If you get Himmler you basically lost already

[soft panther]

better fascist path

[visual willow]

How so

[soft panther]

yeahbong

yeah ong

u pretty much lost

[lunar folio]

You lost Berlin

Unless you do it purposefully you basically lost

[visual willow]

I dont think that is an actual event ingame lol, never had it happen

[soft panther]

And why would u

[visual willow]

Only during german civil war

[soft panther]

berlin is the most important city I'd say in the game under paris

[visual willow]

And you can get himmler by getting him as an advisor then choosing a bunch of decisions

[lunar folio]

Oh you’re talking about the SS coup

[soft panther]

yeah but a separate pathway for himmler would be so sick

because he wss also important

[hard sentinel]

guys

[visual willow]

And i think if you are at war with czechoslovakia you get a chance to have hitler die after some months but not sure, also not sure if it's actually himmler who becomes boss after

[hard sentinel]

guys

[soft panther]

He was like sic of germany so

[hard sentinel]

whats your bench

[visual willow]

Bench?

[hard sentinel]

bench prees

[lunar folio]

Who cares

#off-topic

[hard sentinel]

your getting muted

#blocked

[lunar folio]

Gym bro moment

[hard sentinel]

jim

[visual willow]

An actual HRE path would also be cool ngl

[lunar folio]

Yes, that would be epic

Technically that should be Austria but yeah

[hard sentinel]

guys

guys

[soft panther]

shut up

[hard sentinel]

what is your max deadlift

[lunar folio]

Ask in #off-topic

We don’t care

[visual willow]

Yeah but they arent the strongest german state now are they

[lunar folio]

We are talking about HOI4 in a channel about HOI4

[soft panther]

do u guys think the new dlc will nerf ital y or buff italy

[lunar folio]

Probably nerf

[soft panther]

yeah

[lunar folio]

Well, might be a mixed bag

[soft panther]

but i think theyd be stronger if they go down the focus tree.

[lunar folio]

Could be that it nerfs a player but buffs an AI… for some reason or another

[soft panther]

like very strong

[lunar folio]

Like it might make Italy stronger in general but make player cheese strats weaker

[soft panther]

just by looking at italy's focus tree

id say they got alot of thigns going on

like the soviet union

[lunar folio]

Well yeah that was Italy in general

[soft panther]

italy's industry was very weak

it came to the point where weaker nations were doubting italy's position in the major power

which i find it hilarious

[lunar folio]

They at the least had a… considerable navy

I was gonna say formidable but that wasn’t true

[soft panther]

yeah with no oils

good naval tech in gernal but no oils

general

so literally chinese navy but lots of scraps

https://tenor.com/view/hoi-ben-morgan-gif-20969407

[visual willow]

I think it's gonna be like soviets where you have loads of debuffs early on but end up with lots of buffs in the end
.... but with significantly less buffs

[soft panther]

but soviet union never rly become strong tbh

becomes

like storng like germany

[visual willow]

Also i do think swiss' tree is a bit silly with new cantoon stuff you can just get from neighbouring nations

[soft panther]

nah

[visual willow]

Cause like, 1 cantoon would make your country like 75% bigger

[soft panther]

its an interesting topic

[visual willow]

Yeah but with how big some of the neighbouring provinces are, ehhh

[soft panther]

and i like the swiss' president election system

[lunar folio]

Yeah if they made neighbours a bit smaller it might work but yeah

[soft panther]

i wish they could have done that for usa instead of their goofy ass house of whatever

[visual willow]

Plus if it's against a player they could freely refuse, maybe pike 5,3% stability hit but eh

[visual willow]

That could be cool ig

[soft panther]

its vey different

free advisors but they go out of office

[visual willow]

I was thinking about a usa mechanic being just the great depression and dealing with it

[soft panther]

once in a while

no

i mean great depress decision would indeed be very cool

but just that is a no

i think america was in a much more interesting position

than just the great depression

[visual willow]

Better then repeatedly clicking 1 button for free reign over the government

Though that is how it works irl with usa politics, just bribes lol

[lunar folio]

Mentioned politics, banned, muted, hunted down, assassinated

[soft panther]

yeah like real estate management stuff to reduce the great depression affects would be cool aswell

[visual willow]

Ik but every major having 1 mechanic sounds very neat although they ruined it already with italy

Just don't count italy as major then

[soft panther]

well if every nation gets their own unique something like swiss and ethiopia

imagine how good the gmae would become

[lunar folio]

Yeah but if everything is unique, they’re gonna run out fast

[soft panther]

but idk how that would work out for most of majors

maybe just give same stuff for uk, france, and the us

[visual willow]

And i could imagine worsening the great depression on purpose to get your ideology

[soft panther]

since they were all democratic

[visual willow]

Radicalising your population, or the military couping the presidency to set things right

Ofc they should quickly be able to get you out after or have strong stuff, otherwise you screw over your economy which makes all those paths thrash

Like soviet alt hist

[visual willow]

France could be surviving ypur political turmoil

Uk uhhhhhhhh

[visual willow]

Well we all know SA and minors in asia will never get one

[soft panther]

france was a poop kim ahole at the time

they hgad a big army

[visual willow]

Highly likely belgium/albania/luxembourg never too

But hey the swiss and ethiopia got a tree...

[soft panther]

luxembourg rework would be better than austria and albania

😎

combined

[latent shuttle]

where dev diary

it's been 1 week

[indigo kite]

what about scandinavia

[soft panther]

they will def get one

the devs ltierally gave out the asnwer through the dev diaries

[remote turtle]

Random question , how come ROMLOC in Romania doesnt give any train related boosts, when its an train making company?

[lean nexus]

Romanian government told them to make tanks

[hollow lion]

Still Id imagine its an oversight if its a literal train company

[errant herald]

this dlc is trash if we dont get bosnia focus tree

nah fr it looks like a good dlc tho

does anyone know if peace conference rework will be free or part of DLC

[pliant heron]

It's gonna be a part of the DLC

At least, that's what steam says in the DLC description

[hollow lion]

I really hope taking fleet wont be, but apparently its said to be, with DMZ and reparations

[lunar folio]

The rework is partially within the DLC.

The system itself is not, however special features are

[hollow lion]

😿

[soft panther]

I feel like the paid features are demilitarized zones and taking away their factories

and the rest are free

[shrewd marsh]

What time of day does dlc release

I hope im not in school

[soft panther]

utc 17? Something of Sept 17

27

[frigid oxide]

Fucckkkkk

Why so long

[frank island]

will we need the DLC for the new Italian focus tree or will that come as a free update like the Russian one?

[visual willow]

The historical tree will be free (and maybe a lil extra)

[frank island]

cool

i can't wait to see how the new peace conferences will be like

[visual willow]

Probably alt-fascist will be free

[frank island]

ill finally be able to annex gibraltar without Japan annexing it

[visual willow]

Hopefully they fixed peace deal AI, and i hope my hopes arent too high...

[frank island]

yeah fr

you know that achivement for spain where you need to own gibraltar

killed the whole allies as Spain, wwhich included USA, took me till 46, only to see Japan annex gibraltar before I could get it

wanted to kill myself

[frigid oxide]

Is it going to be proximity to you it’s cheaper

[winged summit]

Is it just me or should paradox release their games for 80 usd and give free updates as it goes on

[soft panther]

na

[visual willow]

People dont really buy 80 dollar games

[remote turtle]

from what I know it was converted to produce cannons during the war time, Im nut sure if it was for tanks or arty, but sence Romania had so few tanks Im guessing the latter.

[solid gyro]

(everyone who plays EA games right now) 🍿

[visual willow]

I just wanted to say "they dont play quality games" but then i remembered this is hoi4

[solid gyro]

Hoi4 is a quality game

for history nerds

[soft panther]

imagine hoi4 with eu4 complexity

[solid gyro]

Nah they release 1 game every like 5 years or something, during those 5 years there's employees to be paid, the games are getting worked on always, getting updated... Etc. There should be a stream of money coming in. As far as I know the game doesn't have microtransactions or subscription services. And I love that about Paradox games (atleast hoi4).

[solid gyro]

it has subscription

on steam at least

you can subscribe to DLC's

Nah that's not what I mean

[solid gyro]

ok

It's just a cheaper way to get access to DLCs, it isn't the type of money hungry subscription services that other companies offer

[visual willow]

"Cheaper"

[solid gyro]

Yeah what's wrong with what I said

[visual willow]

It only starts cheaper

But the cost you pay for having the subscriptipn increases over time

So if you play for too long it becomes more expensive

[solid gyro]

Yeah that's why I buy them

[solid gyro]

its like €5 per month idk but after like 1 year its already not worth it

[visual willow]

Slightly more then 1 year with BBA

[lunar folio]

Cheaper for the average person who won’t play it for ages

[visual willow]

Depends on how little they actually end up playing

[plain elm]

Its a good way for players to get into the game, try it out and play for a while without them needing to front a larger amount of money ^^

You can just play for a month, and then stop if you want 😄

[solid gyro]

Yeah exactly

[whole mango]

gl

[shrewd marsh]

I calculated its worth it for like 10 years

Or 3 dont remember

[solid gyro]

What I've seen from other developers lately, I am so glad Paradox isn't going the free to play, micro transactions route. We need more companies like Paradox.

[visual willow]

instead of free to play, abundant with microtransactions, you gotta pay before you can spend your money on macrotransactions

[solid gyro]

What exactly are microtransactions?

I haven't seen a single feature behind a paywall since I got all the DLCs

[visual willow]

things below 5 bucks are microtransactions i think

[visual willow]

well no sht sherlock, you already payed for all the features

[solid gyro]

Umm yeah? Because they're paid DLCs?

[visual willow]

kinda yeha

lots of dlc features shouldve been in the basegame

like spearhead battleplan, releasing nations as puppets etc

absolutely no reason the should be dlc locked

[solid gyro]

Yeah you're righr

But tank design and stuff, I wouldn't mind behind a paywall

[visual willow]

dlcs should be for extras, like tank designer, that makes sense

not for things that are almost fundamental

[soft panther]

what is tomorrow's dd gonna be about again?

it was something about the game

[prisma wing]

Achievement and art maybe

[soft panther]

nope

[zinc dock]

When is the release date of the pre-ordered dlc?

[silk garden]

so every communist country in this game is a "Totalitarian Regime"
so then when ethiopia goes ancom
will it also say "Totalitarian Regime"?

[dapper turret]

yes

[visual willow]

it says Totalitarian Regime? i just thought it didnt say that there where elections

[mortal thunder]

why wont pdx drop win 7? only 3% are using it. and dropping support isnt the same as breaking it. u could probably still run the game higher versions or opengl it seems like such a waste of effort

[hollow lion]

I really wonder how much comparative effort it is for them though

[soft panther]

no way it's another tech stuff again nah nah nah

[mortal thunder]

he said in the diary that they are skipping performance improvements to appease old win 7 conspiracy theorist

[hollow lion]

No?

[hollow lion]

the stuff that affects the entire game

[mortal thunder]

considering ck3 was released 2 months after last dlc and ck3/vic3 engine is mature will we get hoi5 by next year

hopefully with no units moving around and just a pure battleline being abstract simulated so u can focus on clicking descisions

[hollow lion]

😿 I want optimization DLC

running on more than one thread yes I know it already does but I mean fr

[mortal thunder]

for the cost all all the dlc u could get a new cpu

[hollow lion]

for the cost of 4 DLC if its the 20$ ones

👅

[soft panther]

personally i would not hold that

[soft panther]

no thats not how it works

eu5 is next

then hoi5 likely

which is is still 3 years gap atleast

as it takes them like an year to announce the thing

and another year to actually make the game

hoi5 then stellaris maybe

[mortal thunder]

hopefully next dlc will be such a blunder they have to announce hoi5 like they did vic3 to recover

[soft panther]

no

its eu5

and why would they even make hoi5 when they still have more potentials with hoi4

and i doubt ppl even wants hoi5 after spending like 200 dollars in hoi4

[wise zodiac]

Lmao

[soft panther]

and eu4 is still making dlcs

i dont think they are gonna stop developing eu4 anytime soon

[visual willow]

If they fix hoi4's problems rn then people will buy hoi5, check it out for it's new mechanics, then revert back

[soft panther]

ong

like when hoi5 releases its gonna be like 5 countries

wait atleast 6 years until good contents

Give every single country a gkcus tree thab make hoi5

make the game perfect

[solid gyro]

Here is the White army general i Just created

Ivan Kolchak based name aint it

[soft panther]

1111

[mortal thunder]

that makes no sense. people spent 100$ on ck3 after spending 200$ on ck2 pdx fans love spending money

[mortal thunder]

people are still playing hoi3 because its better

[soft panther]

I'm pretty sure because ck2 was like 10 years old at the point when they were releasing ck 7

Ck3

just make the game good before releasing another series

common sense

🤓

[wild oak]

What boost of fps do you think will the new dlc give?

Or it will depend on somebody's hardware?

[visual willow]

Do updates boost fps typically?

[quiet solstice]

The last dev diary noted some improvements to rendering

I dont think it will have a big impact lategame but from what it says it should make interacting with the map less janky in general

[solid gyro]

Tech stuff makes sense

But is boring

I wonder what the last dev diary will be

[soft panther]

ong

it's like their second time going over the tech stuff

i hope its about achievements and portraits next

[lunar folio]

It literally has like, 100 players on average

More people play Darkest Hour

[solid gyro]

Yea, would be based

Looks like they made getting rime easier so there'll probably be an acheivement for that

[unkempt arch]

Dev diary when

[plain elm]

There was one yesterday 😄

You can read it here: https://pdxint.at/3eHSs4V

[mortal thunder]

Wth paradox why drop Stellaris and hoi4 updates on same day

Just around eu4 too it's like u want me to suffer

[unkempt arch]

Will they keep updating hoi4 or make hoi5

Hoi5 would be so sick

They can do modern warfare with all current world leaders and current wars

[visual willow]

Hoi has always been ww2 though

[silk garden]

yea...

modern warfare would be ass

you threaten a countrys existence and they either nuke you or ask someone to nuke you for them

[visual willow]

Ww1 focused pdx game would be ehhh ok ig

Vicotria kinda ends with ww1 i thought? Idk but a game just focused on that period like hoi4 might be ok, though there probably is less to do then in a ww2 like game

[soft panther]

victoria

is gonna do a pretty good job with that

TTGFD

with more economic and political stuff involved

[fickle plover]

hello from Russia