latest-updates

[visual willow]

Every single argument can be countered by something else that already is ingame

[soft panther]

thats a potential

[lofty kelp]

road to 56 gives austria a really good tree

[visual willow]

Yeah exactly

[lofty kelp]

has a path for a faction with italy and hungary to go against germany while being fascist

[lunar folio]

Tbh I kinda hate most of RT56’s focus trees

[lofty kelp]

yeah loads of em arent great

the austria one is fun tho

[lunar folio]

Yeah Austria was fine but I still prefer many of Vanilla’s trees

[lofty kelp]

yeah

its meant for like people without dlcs i think

so lots of dlc trees do better jobs

[lunar folio]

Makes a lot of sense, many of the newer focus trees outshine RT56 trees significantly

[lofty kelp]

yeah*

[soft panther]

sweden was decent

[lofty kelp]

i havent played it yet but from what ive heard yeah

[visual willow]

Recent sweden tree, new germany tree, and mongolia are all fairly good from what i've seen

[silk garden]

i miss rt56 soviet tree ;-;

[lofty kelp]

rt56 spain tree tho

best one

[visual willow]

That one is from before the LaR one released and they dont care about it anymore i thought

[lofty kelp]

3 focuses on each path lol

its smaller than the base italy tree

[soft panther]

lol

[dusty island]

Ah yes European Ethiopia

[solid gyro]

Yes thats very nice

[drowsy plank]

That is not actually true, in a lot of mp matches where I know germany has made low quality infantry I march into Belgium, simply to have my infantry rip through his like a hot knife through butter while my tanks fight his.

Especially as a France on your own this is a very effective strategy, since you can very well use the spare divisions and guns the belgians have

[unborn iron]

Because austria is Often supposed to disappear within 1 to 2 years, Without a war. Unless People play it themself

[visual willow]

Point still stands, ethiopia always dies 2 months after game start, austria has even more time

[soft panther]

Gibong

[soft panther]

after the dlc prob way longer

somewhat like german civil war when they fail to invade Czechoslovakia

[mortal thunder]

do devs read stuff here?

i wish the division commander gave bonuses and that it was akin to war heroes like airplane aces. if u use powers like force push or last stand. u have a higher chance of generating heroes while losing "red" bubble. if attacking in a losing battle u get bonuses to breakthrough or morale damage loss. last stand gives organisation. bonuses could be small like 1-5%
maube have a nemesis sustem where some generals get a negative modifier fighting a division due to fear. the ghost division was feared b france as theu broke the maginot. germans feared harlem hellfighters as theu were fearless in the assault

[mortal thunder]

simple fix of adding -70% supplu to ethiopia mountain provinces for italia

[visual willow]

Wait how does that have relevance?

[soft panther]

I think I said something before

but I decided to delete it

[drowsy plank]

The difference is that Ethiopia at the very least Both always puts up a fight and is more interesting to play as. Also IRL unlike in Hungary, where many people where thinking back to the glorydays of Austria-hungary, most people in Austria where either pro nazi in the 'lets become one with germany' sense or pro Austria's own autocratic ruling party

And the first one you can't really make much of a focus tree of, the second one would Just mean An Alliance with Italy and hungary

[silk garden]

i mean maybe you could play as a german puppet and try and usurp control over germany

[drowsy plank]

I mean since they were also very catholic I guess you could have a path where they request a declaration of holy war from the pope and get zouaves support and form a path around international catholic volunteers as the autocratic path

The thing is paradox at least in part looks if countries are actually played a decent amount before assisgning focus trees, and almost nobody plays Austria, while Ethiopia is pretty interesting to play

[visual willow]

On the flipside, you can do nothing interesting as AH either which makes it be played wayyyy less
How many people where playing lithuania before?

And, a-fccing-gain, ahistorical germany

Whole point of ahistorical focus trees is that they are unrealistic

[drowsy plank]

The thing is that for most countries the a-historical focuses aren't all that unrealistic. There are exceptions of course, but most of the French, German, Yugoslavian and British ones are to varying degrees realistic

As are the democratic and monarchist Japanese ones

[visual willow]

Yeah, and so can you still make the austrian one realistic

"Peoples will" in hoi is something that can radically change very quickly sometimes

[mortal thunder]

austria only exist ingame to die no point making a dlc for them. give findland some love

[stark mortar]

give the nordic nations

also i just read the dev diary'

cant wait for zhukov to have as many medals that he actually did

and for stalin to also have every medal known to man

[quartz bronze]

Well Zhukov is already a general. And I'm pretty sure the medals only go to the division commander

[stark mortar]

aw

so wait

that means every single unit

has its own commander

[unborn iron]

Yes

[quartz bronze]

Yes. However they don't add any extra stats. The main point of them really is so that when you recuit a new general they won't just be level 1. The dev diary didn't give too much detail in the specifics but to throw some numbers out you could do something like promote a division commander of a tank division and if he's fought a lot then he could be recruited at level 3 potentially with an armor officer trait.

[solid gyro]

I feel like this could be used to Exploit

Like have an Infantry division, get the dude infantry leader, then switch it to aa tank division and get that, and etc

Also, I think the Czechs should get a re-work and get like a Slovak tree like what the Italians are getting and the French have

[quartz bronze]

I mean that's not really useful. Why would you want an infantry trait and a tank trait?

[solid gyro]

For mixed Divisions

So you can have tanks spread throughout the line on Single player

[rapid harbor]

Theoretically I believe if you march into a Capital with several infantry all at once you could give out basically Participation medals

Assuming you haven't given any of those divisions speed buff medals

[visual willow]

again, same thing for ethiopia? and nordics are definitely gonna have the next dlc

[solid gyro]

I think it's gonna be you give them out for anything

So like they March into a minor city you can give them that

[mortal thunder]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigismund_III_Vasa

fun fact sweden have a claim to the polish throne

bernadotte also have claim on france. so sweden should make a new super eu

[tame crag]

If there will be a dlc for austria

Then it would probably be nations that arent that relevant dlc

Aka austria albania and slovakia

[visual willow]

or chzechoslovakia and hungary

their trees are pretty outdated

[tame crag]

The czechoslovakia rework secretly sliding in a focus tree for slovakia

[visual willow]

definitely, it's half the country after all

[tame crag]

When czechia focus tree

[mortal thunder]

balkan dlc really broke the norm. all old dlcs have like 10 70days NF that does nothing. 1inf 1 civ joke while estonia gets 5 civs with 35 day nf

it made everything else unplayable

[tame crag]

They really need to rework the focuses

[visual willow]

not really

[mortal thunder]

chechia 70 days 10 army xp XD

[visual willow]

definitely, basically all WTT, TFV, and DOD trees are shite

[tame crag]

Hungary isnt that bad

Scratch that

Austria hungary isnt that bad

[visual willow]

it is

[mortal thunder]

all the claims are basdically unusable and will start ww2 and all allies against u. or if u use them too late they are just gone and germany railroads ahead

[lilac cargo]

hungary has terrible tree

[mortal thunder]

portugal tree is worst

can we just agree all pdx updates are garbage

[tame crag]

You should be able to start minor border conflicts or yknow not have ai join the allies so you can do something without starting ww2

[lilac cargo]

communist focuses without any real decisions and entirely lacks the soul of revolutionarism

[mortal thunder]

there are border conflicts in china. and there is event trees for partitioning transylvania for hungary vs romania

[lilac cargo]

no possibility to make your chances better at forming aushun without force

[mortal thunder]

there needs to be a dynamic system for it and not hard scripted

to get the achievement u need 1 tiny 0 factory province from italy but u have to declare war on allies and axis just to make austria hungary

[visual willow]

honestly AH is not that great, it's only a bunch of claims and annexation demands that arent even guarenteed but you NEED them. only good thing is the romenia event

industry tree for hungary is fairly bad too

[tame crag]

Why not have a partition yugoslavia event focus thing so you can partition it with romania and maybe italy or greece

[visual willow]

didnt even mention albania or bulgaria

[mortal thunder]

u also have to cheese it hard. force a early war to remove debuffs and demilitarized. force to savescum to get checoslovakia

RNG is bad gameplay

[tame crag]

irrelevant

And albania would get taken by italy anyways

And bulgaria

Exists

I guess

[mortal thunder]

bulgaria is garbage entire game is just constantly pausing to click 30 day 10 pp desicions

[visual willow]

oh yeah

[visual willow]

bulgaria starts with claims lol

[mortal thunder]

only thing thats fun is black ice

[tame crag]

Then partition it between aus hun, bulgaria and either greece or italy

[mortal thunder]

lame dumb mods banned me for saying ghost of kiev was a hoax

[rapid harbor]

I assume
Capital 100
major city 50
Minor city 25

Or perhaps 10 for minor city's

It could be Based on victory points

[solid gyro]

Probably

[soft panther]

Let's go zhukov with 50 generic medals

all with same names

[tame crag]

Achievement idea: get 100 medals as zhukov

[covert forum]

Guys is the New chain of command aka the New division officers a part of paid content or the free content

[soft panther]

Prob paid

[covert forum]

Guess dogy website will be my answer

[visual willow]

No clue

[opal olive]

Zhukov Historical Speedrun

[soft panther]

austrian focus tree should be the last thing to be reworked

[soft panther]

unless they wanna make a "leftovers dlc" that only focuses on nations that had some impacts, but couldnt fit in any of the concepts for the other main dlcs

[lunar folio]

I am fairly sure that will be free content, but of course am not certain

[soft panther]

but the medals im pretty sure will be paid

[lunar folio]

Yes, that is also quite likely

[visual willow]

Before south america and other completely irrelevant nations

Austria is in the middle of europe and has history

[soft panther]

i meant last in terms of like

after everything else thats improtant is done

[visual willow]

Well, yeah

[soft panther]

and also idk which category austria would fit in

maybe if they make a dlc for germany

very unlikely

[visual willow]

They gotta rework older trees evenrually, they are outdated af

So austria would fit nicely with upper balkans

[soft panther]

yugoslavian focus tree is actually pretty good

i want hungary and romania fixed tho

[visual willow]

Yugoslavia is okayish, could definitely be a lil bit better

[soft panther]

but definitely not on the must-be-reworked tier

[visual willow]

Commie tree should be bit better to also include some sort or pan-slavic union in the balkans, and why isnt there a yugoslav partisan tree??

[soft panther]

thats a good point, i heard that the partisans in yugoslavia were super fierce

[visual willow]

Only nation that freed itself mostly

[soft panther]

yeah the commie path is very dull

and vague

its almost like the generic focus tree

but i still feel like they can do more stuff to hungary and romania

[visual willow]

It should atleast take a few notes from bulgaria lol

[soft panther]

considering how romania was also directly part of operation barbarrpsa

barbarossa

but tbf these outdated focus tree reworks will probably be the last thing paradox would focus on

because they have more things to do

[visual willow]

After next next dlc (aftet BBA) it would be a great time

[soft panther]

nordic dlc is more likely,

[visual willow]

There arent that many great nations to focus on then, cause next dlc will probs be nordics cause what else is there

[soft panther]

i will give atleast 2 years until they do it

[visual willow]

Yeah, and after that

[soft panther]

that's next year, so 2023

[lunar folio]

I mean they kinda have run out of designers

[soft panther]

yeah

[lunar folio]

What next? Infantry equipment designer?

That would be kinda sick tbh

[visual willow]

Just pure focus trees idk

[soft panther]

i honestly want them to make hoi4 perfect, then making hoi5

[glass oracle]

Ok but

Siam and saudi arabia dlc when

[soft panther]

and tbh idk how they'd make hoi5 when hoi4 is already 3d

[lunar folio]

Siam is a very big one

[soft panther]

unless they wanna make ck type of shi

[glass oracle]

Oo yes

I want

[soft panther]

yeah tibet when

[glass oracle]

Mmmmmm

[glass oracle]

Im being fr

I want siam and saudi focus tree

[soft panther]

siam is a eh

saudi arabia no

[lunar folio]

Siam participated, which is more than could be said of others

[soft panther]

it would be nice

but

idk man

[lunar folio]

What DLC could they even put that in

[soft panther]

exactly

lol

leftovers dlc

jsut call it like

[lunar folio]

Or just pull a WTT and do a conpletely different country

[visual willow]

Siam-dutch east indies-british mallay-maybe phillipenes?

[lunar folio]

Yeah but those are even less cool

[soft panther]

bro no one cares about british mal

they literally die in 2 weeks

[lunar folio]

What would you even do as Malaya

[soft panther]

exactly

[visual willow]

Ethiopia:

[soft panther]

no

ethiopia is good

[lunar folio]

I’m iffy on Ethiopia

[soft panther]

wdym

[lunar folio]

Well because it’s important, but like, Ethiopia over Austria?

I suppose as long as Ethiopia is fun in the end

[visual willow]

Switzerland over austria rather lol

[lunar folio]

I mean Switzerland at least is in the middle of the action, Ethiopia gets conked in 4 months

[visual willow]

Landlocked and surrounded by 3 majors, only minor has a 2tile border corridor

[lunar folio]

Yeah and Ethiopia borders 3 majors and not a single minor

[visual willow]

Yeah and they where fairly neutral

[lunar folio]

Yeah but historical propierty doesn’t stop Paradox

[visual willow]

On the flipside, it's in africa where the other have shite supply

[soft panther]

ong u gotta move like 60 tiles to find an actual factory in france

french colonies

[lunar folio]

Anyways I forgot, does Italy have a Papal route

[soft panther]

yeah

i think so

[lunar folio]

Epic

[soft panther]

i think its like a secret pathway

since they didnt talk about it

but if u look closely

u can see a whole brance related to the pope

[lunar folio]

I need to make a mod where the Mafia takes over and I just make a ton of garbage Godfather references

[soft panther]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971360992200118333/994369871280357476/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971360992200118333/994296840944095282/IMG_7960.png

[soft panther]

idk if thats true but

its what people translated to

[glacial moth]

The MLP mod sort of has a mafia path that does that for Fezera

(New players will think this is a dev diary leak )

(Do not tell them)

[glass oracle]

ABDULAZZIZ

[tame crag]

South east asia dlc

[solid gyro]

they should add middle east dlc

iraq does join the axis

iran gets invaded by the soviets and british, afghanistan and saudi arabia gets influenced by communism from the soviet focus tree

[glacial moth]

Bruh those countries were barely involved in the war.

I say, Nordic DLCs. Denmark, Norway, Finland, all nations that were directly involved in the war in some way. Maybe Sweden if they feel like it.

[lunar folio]

Nordics first definitely

Middle East might be fine way down the line

[visual willow]

Sweden isin the middle and had to balance helping either side

[soft panther]

Yes

Yea and sweden

[visual willow]

Sweden tree>denmark tree tbf but they ahould all 4 get a tree

It would be so stupid to let sweden stay treeless in the middle of them lol

[soft panther]

I'm pretty sure the middle east were just diplomatically pressured

[soft panther]

idek at this point, they left austria out

And belgium

[visual willow]

Both of those are smaller and get taken out, and belgium doesnt have that much potentional ngl

[soft panther]

nah

More than austria

[glacial moth]

They just added another nation that can annex Austria, I fully support their actions of leaving them out.

[visual willow]

like what?

[tame crag]

Basically switzerland but nordic

[visual willow]

but with more history and in a less bad situation lol

[daring tusk]

ok BBA needs to come out now. I'm stupid excited with the divisional officers

[quartz bronze]

I found this on the hoi4 reddit last night. Apparently it's been leaked. Of course the devs could always end up moving it.

[prisma wing]

27 september is too early

28 october can be a good release date 👀

[solid gyro]

No

27 September is perfect

It's amazing

It was gonna be 30th of December-

[quartz bronze]

On one hand I'd like it sooner. On the other the longer the devs spend on it then the more refined it'll be.

[visual willow]

cause we all damn know they will barely update it post launch

[solid gyro]

Lock the offices doors

Therefore it'll be the only thing keeping them from insanity

[soft panther]

Delete

[quartz bronze]

Why?

[soft panther]

devs might be like oh no they know the time lets delay everything

[quartz bronze]

I mean I wouldn't really be opposed to it. It would just mean they have more time to refine it further. Nor do I think they would change the release date simply because of a leak.

[soft panther]

no

[visual willow]

why would they delay their finished product just because the release date got leaked

[soft panther]

noo

[wet marten]

Until there is a release date on steam they don’t need to care about these kind of leaks.

[visual willow]

and even then you delaying it once isnt the end of the world if it's a weekk before

[west moth]

so many questions

[soft panther]

ethiopia>austria 😎

[soft panther]

so is that the release date? or the pre-order date?

cuz the pre order "release" date is usually like a month earlier

[fossil briar]

Imagine if Austria had a non-historical focus tree branch to stop the Anschluss.

[drowsy plank]

Iraq did quite a bit more of the fighting than the Danish did, what with them fighting both free French and British troops during the African campaign. They also held out quite a bit longer than the Danish did

[soft panther]

we all know people want denmark focus tree more than iraq

nordic dlc development should be prioritized after all

ofc after by blood alone

[lunar folio]

NZ focus tree remake

I am not biased

[silk garden]

hungary focus tree remake

[soft panther]

india

[silk garden]

i am biased

[daring tusk]

I would actually love a middle east focus rework but more than that a south america focus rework. Mostly because I'm insane

[silk garden]

but it does need a rework

[soft panther]

whats ur nationality?

[daring tusk]

MURICA

[soft panther]

r u 100% sure???

[daring tusk]

NO

haha

[soft panther]

then where

[daring tusk]

murica?

[silk garden]

hes not sure if hes not adopted

[daring tusk]

it's hard.... either way I want South America to be a little more active

[silk garden]

pdx needs to hire the lad that made the expanded hungary mod

[daring tusk]

is that a good one?

[silk garden]

very

very indepth

[daring tusk]

oooo

[silk garden]

very accurate

[soft panther]

yeah south american focus tree??

2024

😂

[silk garden]

theres 4 commie paths, 2.5 democratic paths, 2 monarchist paths, 1 historical, 1 fascist horthy, and 3 fascist

plus a big industry/army/air force/navy tree

[daring tusk]

nice imma check it out

[visual willow]

That's probably where it mostly will be based on

[lunar folio]

There's probably gonna be a Become German Puppet focus

[visual willow]

Likely

And then you can get lands with germany and probs eventually unpuppet yourself

I'd also be cool if there was a "look at germany" focus ngl

That changes depending on what germany is gonna do

So like if germany goes kaiserreich you'll go AH but with closer cooporation with the new germany

[soft panther]

mongolia and tannu waht rework would honestly be interesting

[silk garden]

also include bhutan there

[soft panther]

sure

[lunar folio]

I mean Mongolia maybe, but Tannu Tuva and Bhutan are memes of countries

[analog reef]

what do you think about the new italian focus tree?

[pliant heron]

They should update the yalta conference ngl, the effects don't take place anytime and the AI manages to capitulate the Germans resulting in crappy borders

[soft panther]

I wonder how they will make the yalta conference mechanism

since the peace deal system will completely change

[tame crag]

Tannu tuva focus tree when

[somber nexus]

sweedish focus tree

it would kinda work for nations that are part of the blood alone

[visual willow]

What, how?

How is sweden in any way related to ethiopia/switzerland/italy

[lunar folio]

It is related to Switzerland because people mix them up

It is related to Itsly because they are both in Europe

It is related to Ethiopia because uh… they are both north of the equator

[quartz bronze]

Who mixes up Sweden and Switzerland

[silk garden]

me when i was 5

[mortal thunder]

should the next recourse be food? rhodesia used to be called the breadbasket of africa and was a huge exported of food to the allies. i think it would be cool to force more shipping lanes and make the sub meta more imporant to reflect the actual war. and u need food to have civ and mill production and stability. have more than required u get a bonus modifier have none and your industry halts and u get strikes.

[visual willow]

could be but not having food as a resource is fine to me ngl

[tribal mist]

If they r giving us divisional commanders why not just go the full way with hoi3 style order of battle with Corp and army group layers

Also I'm still waiting since man the guns for an Ireland focus tree

[visual willow]

no idea how that worked but what we have in hoi4 is fine for gameplay

[tribal mist]

They are deliberately holding off on Ireland and doing every other crap backwater country first because Ireland focus tree with be the biggest ever and hard to balance

[visual willow]

yes definitely that and nothing else

[tribal mist]

4 divisions in a Corp 4 corps in an army 4 armies in an army group 4 army groups in a theatre I think with radio ranges for each and each layer providi g stacking bonuses

[visual willow]

that sounds bit overcomplicated from what we have rn

[unborn iron]

It would make HOI4 less arcady, And alot of people like how Arcady it is

[visual willow]

food really wouldnt be that arcady i think

[unborn iron]

If they would add it they should make it optional

[visual willow]

features shouldnt be optional imo

[unborn iron]

Just call it a Setting then xD

[visual willow]

same thing

but ehhh how would food exactly work anyways

[velvet shuttle]

itd probably just be fuel but for inf

XD

[visual willow]

lol yeah

[velvet shuttle]

cept i suppose youd lose strength

the next resource to be changed realistically if it were would be in this next update

with octane mattering a lot for air

allied planes had better fuel and thus manifold pressure

kind of forced german planes to have those big ass engines but equal-ish power

[visual willow]

sounds bit annoying to have 2 types of fuel

[solid gyro]

[velvet shuttle]

it would be

i just said the most realistic

i figure octane WILL be a thing but simplified

but will just consume more fuel

[solid gyro]

Didn’t the German had a problem with there octane Would freeze in minus -20

So they couldn’t use their planes against Russia at winter

[velvet shuttle]

germans had a lot of issues with their fuel

[solid gyro]

Fare enough

[visual willow]

like a different engine

[velvet shuttle]

nah just fuel grade

i figure there will be a module slot for higher octane

better stats but mroe fuel cost

like "high octan mixtures" or maybe an engine type

[hollow ridge]

Food? What else? Ammunition? :p

[velvet shuttle]

dew it

XD

[visual willow]

that's arguably part of infantry equipment

[velvet shuttle]

and arty

shells are teh big cost

[hollow ridge]

True. Makes sense with the big price of the guns.

[mortal thunder]

do u feel the same about fuel?

[mortal thunder]

all units have a supplu that is used up what trains are for

[hollow ridge]

1. I know that.
2. I mean Ammunition as an extra type of equipment that needs to be produced by factories.

[mortal thunder]

a simpler wau of abstracting that is have a goods % like civs but for mills and the bigger armu u have the more mills need to make ammo

[soft panther]

they should add eiffel tower 3d model in paris

and white house in america

maginot 3d model would look nice

Like tno

[visual willow]

i dont really like these giant buildings ngl

[soft panther]

nope

it looks better

It's not even that big

[soft panther]

did they ever talk about embargo stuff yet?

[visual willow]

not yet

[soft panther]

I think the peace conference and the embargo stuff are the only things left that they haven't gone through

and peace conference is tmrw

so maybe next week??

[visual willow]

Also spy changes but those are probs very minor

[soft panther]

I dont think they will make a dev diary just for that

they might talk about the new models for planes and units

After

And music idk

all in one dev diary

[visual willow]

No but could be apart of one
Not like embargoes deserve one on their own

[soft panther]

they dk

do

trading is a huge part of the game

[visual willow]

Yes but embargoes, simply just not letting a country trade with you isnt 1 devdairy worth

[soft panther]

it does bro

trust me bro

[visual willow]

It'll just be "oh this is a button to block trade" and that's the fccing devdairy

[soft panther]

yes beo

that should be a dev diary bro

they have to talk about it at some point bro

the spy changes, embargoes and the new models

[visual willow]

Yeah but just put them together in 1 miscellaneous devdairy
Not 1 whole ass dairy for a button press

[soft panther]

who knows if its just a button press

or a new gui mechanism

[visual willow]

It's embargoes

[soft panther]

so

Bruh

it might be more complicated

[visual willow]

Ok maybe they need to be at war
At most it'll be 4 sentences and 2 pics, yayyy

[shrewd marsh]

Dlc out when?

[soft panther]

end of september

[shrewd marsh]

I don’t know the months when is that?

Ah next month

I stil flex that I predicted Ethiopia would be able to get Jamaica from Britain

[soft panther]

bruh

but idk if that's the pre order date

or if that's the actual release date

[harsh hull]

I hope there's an additional focus to somehow getting the entire Caribbean to submit to Ethiopian rule through the spread of Rastafarianism

That's the history books I want to read through

How Ethiopia invaded the continental US through their naval bases in Kingston, Port-au-Prince, and La Havane

[soft panther]

that sounds a bit too specific

[storm gate]

I like how a random femboy beat katten

[quartz bronze]

I mean he was probably sitting there waiting for the dev diary to be posted cuz it's posted at the same time every time

[solid gyro]

I'm afraid of taking states

Cause stuff looks way too expensive

And I feels like it may like kinda nerf minors who eont be able to take everything in wars between minors

Also will there be like a changed system to where you can negotiate with AI before they cap

Like Eu4 or Victoria 2

[pulsar dome]

Did you read it?

[solid gyro]

Ye

The photo shows states still being super expensive and warscore doesn't add up

[glossy timber]

Apparently you get more points on successive turns. Not infinitely so it might be the case that sometime a capitulated nation isn't fully annexed but hopefully not for singular minor vs minor wars

[humble jasper]

I really wish they would allow for you to give other countries puppets, when using player lead peace conferences it would be nice to do historically accurate maps and not have to puppet everything for yourself

[solid gyro]

Is that for like war contribution?

[soft panther]

what's modding

ik what modding is but

dev diary for modding??

[lunar folio]

Dev Diaries for modding typically come near the end of a cycle, right before the DLC drops

[wise zodiac]

is the new peace treaty going to be in a update for the whole game or just the new dlc

[visual willow]

normal peace deals free, some features (DMZ and stealing fleets, idk about the rest) will be in bba i'm pretty sure

[wise zodiac]

ah

is bba also $20

[hollow lion]

[hollow lion]

Most likely

[wise zodiac]

damn

after the game sale i only had enough to get one dlc

[visual willow]

i would be surprised if it wasnt

[wise zodiac]

i bought waking the tiger instead of nsb 💀

[visual willow]

wtt is also very good

[hollow lion]

WtT is better

[visual willow]

on par to NSB imo

[wise zodiac]

i do like the china reworks

but looking back the tank designer seems pretty nice

[visual willow]

china is.... really outdated sadly

[hollow lion]

Monarchist Germany is almost universally well-liked I think?

[wise zodiac]

yeah

[visual willow]

yeah cause of the high amount of kaiserraboo

[wise zodiac]

ill prob get nsb or la resistance later

[hollow lion]

HOI IV isnt the type of game where a designer really gives me any fun, youre just optimizing statistics

[wise zodiac]

what is man the guns like tho

[visual willow]

germany tree still should be reworked though ngl, it's getting lacking compared to the new stuff
luckily modders make good germany trees hehe

[wise zodiac]

true

[hollow lion]

😳 me???

[visual willow]

i like the tank one though

[wise zodiac]

are there any mods for germany that go past 45

in case you win ww2

[hollow lion]

👀 👀 👀

[wise zodiac]

even rt56 just ends the germany tree by 45

[visual willow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/744223289286590540.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[hollow lion]

True but DDR and WGR post war trees are WIP

[wise zodiac]

yeah

i wonder if there are any reich victory trees tho

[hollow lion]

Its really hard to make a tree to fits well into such a massively changed world

[wise zodiac]

yeah

[hollow lion]

BftB cant even do it for pre-1940

[visual willow]

i mean "germany won" can be a few scenarios....
north africa secured? brittain secured? USA secured???

[wise zodiac]

i mean

whenever i go reich path i just rush britain and annex/puppet everything

but besides invading ussr there's nothing to do past that

[visual willow]

yeah but that didnt happen historically

[wise zodiac]

mhm

i just restart and see how many soviet units i can encircle

endless cycle

[visual willow]

well actually there IS some stuff for germany winning

"improve national spirit"

[hollow lion]

Ah yes, a lot of political power, right when you no longer need it

[stoic mist]

Don't forget, if you puppet the East Indies, Japan should come to steal your lunch money at some point, so that right there is something to do.

[visual willow]

[hollow lion]

well said

[visual willow]

oh no! japan after we took all of europe!

[stoic mist]

I mean, yeah, but it is the Pacific War, so it's a whole different ball game from the Blitz, the Battle of Britain, or Operation Barbarossa. It's something, at least.

[visual willow]

you'll have britain and france fleet plus even more then the fleet you used for sealion

[wise zodiac]

True

[visual willow]

just attack japan while they are still starving in china directly

[wise zodiac]

by the time i beat the ussr japan almost always already has conquered all of china 💀

and invading china is utter pain

[visual willow]

i mean, when does japan invade again

[wise zodiac]

37

[visual willow]

no i meant the indies

[soft panther]

considering that they've actually reworked yugoslavia, which was reworked through DOD

i do have some hopes that they will EVENTUALLY rework other focus trees

like older focus trees

[visual willow]

i hope, but ngl new yugo tree still aint enough

where are the partisans? united slavs in the balkans?

[soft panther]

its better than nothing

i would honestly be happy if they made those kind of reworks to other nations

would add alot more

[visual willow]

i'd rather have the reworks be a bit more in line with their NSB work then

mostly for actually relevant countries like romenia, hungary, canada, the raj

[soft panther]

sure but that will take ages

and i dont want that

they will be like time to make hoi5

[visual willow]

i mean, baltic sized is good enough and those trees arent SUPER super huge

and for actual relevant, semi-important countries with potentional it really should

i'd rather have hoi4 be perfected then that paradox makes another lackluster game that only becomes actually decent 7 years later with an extra 240 euro on top of it

plus some of the older trees just absolutely suck

[true crow]

https://i.imgur.com/oTyS21V.png

I think this dev response is important to note

[wet marten]

Well that’s a shame.

[soft panther]

yeah the pre-order type of stuff

thats what nsb did im pretty sure

october 20th

[shrewd marsh]

When is pre order

I want bonus music track

[soft panther]

if the september 27th release date is correct

[shrewd marsh]

What is theory?

[soft panther]

then it is actually quite likely they will make pre order available around next week

@shrewd marsh a leak

[shrewd marsh]

I want pree order before i spend all my money on lunch

[soft panther]

yeah prob next week

[solid gyro]

Baby planes soon??????

[iron eagle]

they're multiplying

[tall pewter]

Wait then how are the planes reproducing to make babies???

🤨

[tall pewter]

As an Ethiopian I completely support this suggestion

[solid gyro]

I think a good idea for the peace conferences would also to limit army size ig

[soft panther]

it has already been decided

It is very very unlikely they will change something that was already introduced

Unless it's like a focus tree

but they'd make a separate dd for it if they did

[lunar folio]

I wonder if there’ll be any modding capabilities for the conferences

[soft panther]

nah

I doubt it

make like decision gui mods

[lunar folio]

I expect very light ones, matbe just AI choicemaking

[soft panther]

but peace conference is another level of mechanism

[soft panther]

Oh yeah then prob

like player led confernece

conference

[lunar folio]

Perhaps also something also like cost but yeah definitely not anything immense

[soft panther]

yeah i thought u meant like size limiting

[mortal thunder]

will most games and dlcs release december for quartelru earnings and xmas sales?

[solar yacht]

not really

[errant epoch]

I think germany tree should be reworked

[hollow ridge]

yeah the ahistorical tree atleast. Monarchic germany is ok but Democratic Germany is just garbage and way too easy to get "softlocked" (unable to progress the tree)

[errant epoch]

I mean the whole tree

Fascist one is bland

Whole tree is bland for the face of the game

IMO

[visual willow]

fascist one isnt bland, it just is historical

[errant epoch]

yes but you see

much better trees

in god damn latvia

or estonia

even italy is getting an upgrade

[visual willow]

yeah, cause that tree is newer and had more to do with soviets-poland

[errant epoch]

germany is the face of the game

it has to do with everything

[visual willow]

they do trees in what works together, not what "needs" an update

[errant epoch]

should’ve done an axis update then

[visual willow]

i mean, in place of what? i can only see a replacement for BBA which was just a "in the meanwhile" pack

[errant epoch]

i honestly dont find a use for the ethiopian tree

they die first 3 months

unless player controlled or megabuffed

switzerland meh

[errant epoch]

i guess tree IS for player control

[visual willow]

new italy AI will probs let them win sometimes 🤷‍♀️

but yeah for trees... these are quite shite

shouldve just updated the baltics

[errant epoch]

maybe they’ll have like

the r56 monarchist path

which is your only choice if you lose to ethiopia

In unhistorical games I always find that Italy goes into democratic civil war

And all their colonies become free

Pretty weird but ill take it

[visual willow]

italy will have a "we lost to ethiopia" path

[errant epoch]

joke of europe, remastered

[visual willow]

next dlc will probably be the nordics, and hopefully then reworks

cause no nation deserves a new tree more then the ones that have an outdated one rn

[dusty island]

Hello

[errant epoch]

Nordics would be cool ig

Finland

[visual willow]

sweden, denmark-norway also ig

[mortal thunder]

devs should just copu black ice or road 56

[soft panther]

no

[solid gyro]

They should copy UMC

[wet marten]

Not like umc has major balance problems.

[visual willow]

the germany tree for UMC is wayyyy too big, unhandleable

you shouldnt look at the USSR tree and think "can we bloat this to hell?"

[soft panther]

@visual willow

[shrewd marsh]

i can buy yet?

[soft panther]

bro no

have some patience

[tame crag]

Most modern focus trees are too big

Like the one for the soviet union

[soft panther]

Yeah

but italy will be similar

[visual willow]

Soviet tree isnt too too big, the politocal tree is great enough
And tge polish tree is absolutely great

[soft panther]

polish is super good

def s tier

soviet tree id give low a or high b

[hollow lion]

Polish/baltics feel op but not interesting

Theres no gameplay in getting free Romania n stuff

[soft panther]

u have to control the decision stuff

[carmine cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-do-you-mean-obama-huh-what-gif-12344531

[silk garden]

my only problem with the polish tree is that you could delete the army tree and nobody would notice

why the uk has the best tree:
political tree is not too big and gets to the point
no annexing others for free
almost every focus in the empire and military-industry trees gets you something useful and theres no doing 3 useless foci to get some little buff

[solid gyro]

Yeah I don’t even use it so you’re right

[silk garden]

the political tree just gives too much good stuff, like ANNEXING ROMANIA OR BOHEMIA, and then the industry tree is also pretty good, it all outweighs the military stuff

also half the industry tree is canceled out by the fact you get 2 research slots in the industry tree

or are the 2 research slots just in rt56?

[solid gyro]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[visual willow]

That's for every mil tree where you dont remove a major debuff or get a very strong national spirit

[visual willow]

Hmm the alt-hist political tree is a lil too small imo but otherwise yeah UK tree is great

[silk garden]

off the top of my head hungary, japan, france, and bulgaria all have very decent mil trees

but the best type is the all-in-one industry, army, air force, and navy

[visual willow]

True

But every mil tree that is just research bonuses is just mehh, except if it's for planes ig

[silk garden]

fair

naval research boosts are good too tho

as naval nations ofc

[visual willow]

Yeah but i ignore navy usually so uhhhhh

[zenith lagoon]

Reject navy, return to air force (and army)

[solid gyro]

Dude navy is roleplay

[visual willow]

Dont really care for navy rp

[dim smelt]

I just spam subs or destroyers

[soft panther]

same subs if my country is ass

subs and destroyers if my country is good

[drowsy plank]

Subs can be fairly easily countered with good destroyers and tactical bombers though

So against players while they are usefull, they're not going to save you against somebody who knows what they're doing

[solid gyro]

naval bombers next update go brrrr agianst subs

[visual willow]

Let them sit in port and strike force, naval invaden

[solid gyro]

port strike with naval bombers 🙂

[visual willow]

Out of bomber rage 😇

[solid gyro]

carriers

[visual willow]

Already naval invaded + noone builds carriers

[solid gyro]

I do

he he ha ha

[solid gyro]

So anyone has any ideas for a game name for a game similar to AOC II? (Without me being copyrighted into the ground by using it)

[solid gyro]

@atomic osprey

[undone crypt]

Hi

[turbid furnace]

I don't know if it was already talked about.
Probably was, but i think that if the new peace conferences can work (demilitarized zone, remove war economy etc.") We need an option for conditionall surrender. Because in current state it's almost impossible to end war without one country capitulating, it should be possible to make peace without total annihilation of one nation.

Otherwise why do I need to demilitarize region, take resources, remove war economy if i can just annex or puppet it?

[soft panther]

encircle

[midnight estuary]

RP stuff, simply not wanting to manage another territory or it’s significantly out of the way of being strategically beneficial

[idle dust]

Just finished making hoi10

[tranquil totem]

hi

[fleet wasp]

yeah, like victoria 2.

[turbid furnace]

Well that's true,
But i still think conditionall surrender should be added,

(Example scenario):

Hungary declares war on Austria.

Austria is getting bombed heavily

Then Hungary gets stopped in mountains.

There is giant stalemate, no one can break through.

Hungary decides their economy can't handle war and decides to make peace.

Austria agrees.

There is a peace conference and Austria gets a reasonable amount of Victory points. (They can't get more by just passing) so they enforce demilitarized zone on the border and if they still have enough victory points they can get some resources as reparations.

Imagine how cool would that be

[untold sequoia]

that is possible

[turbid furnace]

but you need to be loosing the war, and you can only do it after loosing 50% of victory points.
so that's not quite the situation i described.

current system is not really good and here is an example:

i was playing as Spain and wanted to invade France.
and right before their capitulation they join faction with Canada and other ex British colonies. France capitulated and now i'm in war with countries i can't invade because they are on the other side of the world and i can't offer them peace (even if that would mean restoring france) because i'm not loosing the war.

and it was ironman so no way of loading previous save.

[untold sequoia]

That's changed a bit in BBA

You can technically offer surrender at any point now provided that the war hasn't progressed to world war, and the distributed points will be equivalent to the usual value (115% of nation value) * surrender progress

[turbid furnace]

That's a great information. I don't know if i missed it in the dev diary or it wasn't announced yet, but thank you for sharing it.

[midnight estuary]

Oh yeah I wholly agree. Every war needing to be a full death war is very annoying, especially if a country, say, doesn’t have an army and you still have to take every city to cap them

Offering the enemy peace while you’re the aggressor without needing to be pretty much dead first feels almost necessary

[untold sequoia]

On the other hand, that isn't something coming in BBA. Possibly in the future, but no promises.

[midnight estuary]

Yeah I know, and I’m fine with that

[solid gyro]

How do they get victory points for getting pushed into their country?

[drowsy plank]

Honestly I Just feel some points should be added for caused casualties, since I often have to fight wars Both in singleplayer and MP where I kill more enemies than everyone else in the war combined, but still only get 10% of the warscore simply because I didn't lose 10.000.000 men like the Russians nor took almost entirely undefended regions

[soft panther]

omg

ong

[vague jasper]

When does by blood alone come out?

[pliant heron]

Leaks say 27 of September but it is not sure

[vital sky]

that's sounds a bit early?

[pliant heron]

Which is why it's most likely not, though it's a leak too so the chances it was correct aren't that high compared to an estimated date

[vital sky]

i woulda thought more early-mid november but i dunno

[quartz bronze]

We just got crossplay

[solid gyro]

Only a month to go

This is amazing

[vital sky]

🎉

[vital sky]

i take that back apparently it's about the right time-

[shrewd marsh]

Just got confirmed

[pliant heron]

Yup, just noticed

[velvet shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/soviet-dance-army-gif-9043501

https://tenor.com/view/ww1-fortnite-dance-dancing-black-and-white-gif-17558123

[civic hedge]

Curious if the preorder song will be included if subscribed

[visual willow]

Probably not

[foggy dock]

yeah maybe not

[scenic plinth]

So it's just Bella Ciao? What a lame bonus

[grave hollow]

It's a good song but I'd rather just play it on YouTube

[silk garden]

yea

[grave hollow]

I also like the Spanish version better

[visual willow]

it's pretty stupid to lock actual gameplay behind pre-ordering tbf

so it's either music or like, a skin for troops

[scenic plinth]

Yeah but like at least a playlist of songs, a few skins and stuff

But like, a single song is very much bare minimum to not get dunked on

[visual willow]

if they put too much stuff in the pre-order then they will waste too much effort with stuff like less then half the community will see

[soft panther]

what do we get for pre ordering??

[glad cobalt]

dunno, I'm pretty happy with it

music is like a third of the game for me

[solid gyro]

lame bonus and the song sucks

[scenic plinth]

I play with sound off lmao

Or at most outside music

[scenic plinth]

Song is kinda catchy actually

[glad cobalt]

depends on what I do really

but I generally listen to in-game music

[scenic plinth]

I usually play during discord calls so music is just a distraction from whatever convo I'm having

[solid gyro]

hoi4 chore made it sound decent but I never liked it

[scenic plinth]

cope and seethe

[solid gyro]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/967178321542668348/1009827332061675591/marismurg.gif

[glad cobalt]

burger time?

[solid gyro]

hamborger

[soft panther]

wdym this music is good

i like it

[solid gyro]

airplane designer 🤤

[fallen solstice]

Bella ciao in the new dlc now that is worth £15

[hollow lion]

just put it in your youtube playlist

😛

Has there been a preview of the OST?

[soft panther]

honestly why not just pre order

its not like they will put it on sale anytime soon lol

it will take atleast 2 years for a sale

[visual willow]

Ok then what would you propose for bonus

[solid gyro]

I'm not the dev here

[visual willow]

Well, you have better ideas cause you call the bonus lackluster, so obviously something better must be available right

[soft panther]

@visual willow

i think this music good

i thought funiculi funicula could've been an option, but i realized that funiculi funicula is a bit too exciting

[hollow lion]

They just want something well known, not necessarily good

[limpid fossil]

Will transport planes function well in the new update? My theory is that maybe you can make transport planes but in return for them being good and useable to supply units they would be really easy to shoot down? ( requiring 100% air dominance)

[wet marten]

I don’t think you can modify transport planes.

[smoky hinge]

@calm rain

[calm rain]

Thank you.

Happy to help even at 3 am

😅

[smoky hinge]

You're a lifesaver ❤️

[rough dagger]

tanks are about to be nerfed, again

thank you paradox 🙂

[civic hedge]

i like the equipment designer comparison tool

[solid gyro]

Didn't Armor always matter?

Cause space marines

Also why do modding dev diaries exist

[visual willow]

So people who mod know better what to expect

[quartz bronze]

Armor didn't matter in mp cuz unless you were going with max armor improved heavies(which is questionable at best) you were gonna get pierced by other tanks no matter what.

[mortal thunder]

i think the strat bombing is way underpowered it should be hell on stab and warsupport. nothing was as demoralizing as nightly bomber raids way more than having casualities on the front

[visual willow]

I dont think pdx is gonna add "civilian bombings" though, soo

[harsh hull]

It'd be a very bold move

Probably wouldn't play out well though

[solid gyro]

Both of the largest instances of bombers raids I'm aware of (England and Germany) seemed to increase the anger and drive for revenge more than anything. The only bomber raid that cause a nation to lose the equivalent of war support if i recall was Belgium, and that was literally the country surrendering after Germany threatened to bomb it. To clarify, no grand scale bombing raids actually happened against Belgium.

I did just wake up so I may be mixing up Belgium with someone else, but if I recall it's accurate.

So targeting civilian hubs for bombers raids, while Paradox would never do it for obvious reasons, would additionally be pointless.

If I recall I got this info from TimeGhosts, but I'll double check when I got a free minute

[visual willow]

Ngl i hope they will add more things like how italian east africa is gonna be

Sounds great for reichskommisariats and just other more random puppet-stuff

[harsh hull]

I enjoy the use of the word "malus" as an antonym of "bonus" throughout this dev diary

I wish it were a word that saw more common usage

[harsh hull]

Although, the inability to raise War Support easily is really going to hurt when playing as a generic nation with low base war support

So forming Centroamerica is going to be a bit more of a challenge

[solid gyro]

Someone made a great point how with combat casualties now having an effect on war support, this is an indirect decent buff to Field Hospitals

[harsh hull]

It's a fair point

If they also added a war support malus reduction onto Field Hospitals directly, it'd be a strong contender

[quartz bronze]

I mean I think field hospitals are still gonna be trash.

[solid gyro]

when is it never?

[solid gyro]

still waiting for the baby plane update

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736

[solid gyro]

if they weren't, it wouldn't be HoI4. But still, a buff is a buff

[civic hedge]

Are you telling me that prioritizing field hospitals for my defensive France run was a waste?

[quartz bronze]

Yes

Field hospitals are bad when you consider your equipment is more important than your men

[civic hedge]

I'll let the fellas know they're really just a means to an end

The ends being the French military industrial complex

[quartz bronze]

Let them know they aren't worth the cost of patching up when we can have another Joe take his place.

[mortal thunder]

a QOL i would like is seeing the piericing capability of current enemies based on espionage u have on them. so i can plan to be at 80+% armor

[soft panther]

a whole month

until the dlc drops

[charred kite]

to be honest the whole QOL thing is brilliant - i love all those lil bits n pieces that make the game just that little bit better - even if one individual QOL feature isn't major, combine em all and you get a much better experience. A+

[narrow thunder]

automatic ship renaming would be a good qol thing

for rp purposes

[soft panther]

wdym automatic ship naming

im pretty sure that's already a thing

@narrow thunder

[narrow thunder]

i meant when you get enemy navy in the new peace conference

rename it to your local names

like a german name to a soviet name

[soft panther]

oh yeah that would be good

🥨

[narrow thunder]

maybe someone will make a mod of that

after dlc releases

[soft panther]

hm

but it would be hard

let's say u took Bismarck as the uk

then how is it gonna automatically change that name to english

[narrow thunder]

change it to a set name of british bb

they'll figure it out

[soft panther]

Battleship - 1

generic

[gleaming mirage]

As per the last dev diary section, wouldn't be cool for there to be stockpile destruction as an operation?

[silk garden]

yea thatd be very epic

[solid gyro]

Is every single dev diary up on the Paradox forum website? Like, from the first one?

[smoky hinge]

They should be, you can find a link to all of them on the hoi4 wiki

[solid gyro]

Ah, alright then, thanks 👍

[soft panther]

yeah

[pliant heron]

Most likely they did not mention it, but does anybody know if the event of a civil war triggers when allies take a significant amount of VPS from Italy?

[dusty island]

Like the democratics against the fascists?

[pliant heron]

Yeah

[old star]

i don’t think we know how it triggers, but we do know it exists

it likely can trigger as a decision for germany to execute operation axis once italy goes past 10% surrender progress or smth like that

[mortal thunder]

historicallu allies never defeated italu or romania theu just flipped after enough warscore

[pliant heron]

Well now I know because of the stream, Italy will have a civil war triggered on them

[silk garden]

romania was defeated since they signed an unconditional surrender

[crude tide]

🤡

[soft panther]

bro how do I rewatch the stream

[soft panther]

Ty

[pastel valve]

Question about the the critical percent chance from the new diary if someone can answer. In BBA if I research and upgrade naval commanders to reduce the chances of the critical hit, which way does it work? Is -10% from 300% making it 290% OR is it 270% chance for critical?

[solid gyro]

I wonder if theh will add a selective free/return core decisions

It would make sense, plus it is annoying to give like your own cores away when releasing nations

[abstract path]

^please I had a greece game made MUCH more difficult due to this

and it would be infinitely useful in some mods

[visual willow]

Which one for what?

[visual willow]

Tbf there is a workaround, release state, readd your states and then recore them via console

[abstract path]

i usually play in ironman even when playing mods

makes me feel more accomplished

[visual willow]

Eh, with how buggy the game can be and don't allow for great re-bordering after a peace deal, not having console is quite annoying

[abstract path]

It is, but I still prefer Ironman

Well, if I know the path I'm playing I suppose..

Like I know it's not a buggy mess of a mod I'm confident playing ironman

Still, having it actually be a function in game is only beneficial

[abstract path]

released bulgaria because i forgot romania gaurentees turkey and they took thrace and southern macedonia with them

[solid gyro]

Did they have cores?

Or did they get that off claims

[unborn knot]

Закарпаття це Угорщина

[soft panther]

bro no

[raven quarry]

Has anyone figured out how many of the new 3D aircraft models are American planes?

[crude tide]

😬

[raven quarry]

I take it that means none...

[solid gyro]

We need new Minor tank models

[shy spruce]

#946076607653744661 speak English

[hollow ridge]

Is there a preorder bonus for BBA?

Please no "i think so" or anything like that. only answer if you know for certain.

[soft panther]

@hollow ridge

https://youtu.be/owKDWl_ZJi0

[nocturne tree]

(a very beautiful song)

[grave hollow]

A socialist song for that matter

I really like the Spanish version

[crude veldt]

Why is it like actually impossible to go Facist as the us

like

i can not get over 5% facism support

i cant get a facist demigourge, theres no focus that will give me more facism support

only one is the one that gives you 5% then just stops at that

[soft panther]

@crude veldt

hire one

[crude veldt]

"i cant get a facist demigourge"

[soft panther]

so what hire one

[crude veldt]

bruh what do you not understand about im not able to

[low marsh]

U go to the country tab then click on advisors then choose the person that gives fascist support

The focus “America First” should give you a fascist advisor

@crude veldt

Once u get enough u can do ally with the silver shirts

And continue down that path

Or u can wait until u get 50% fascist support and iirc there should be a referendum

[crude veldt]

"i cant get a facist demigourge" does nobody understand this??

[crude veldt]

It doesnt, only 5% facism support

[crude veldt]

Need 30% facism support to do, i have 5%

[soft panther]

did u do arsenal of democracy

or neutrality act

[crude veldt]

I did limitied intervention

[soft panther]

ah then thats the problem

[crude veldt]

wait what

thats the only focus that lets you remove undisturbed isolation right? other then neutrality act

[low marsh]

Afaik u can’t go neutrality act and go fascist

[smoky hinge]

You can't go fascist if you pick limited intervention or neutrality act

[crude veldt]

ahhhh ok

thanks

[soft panther]

exactly

u shouldnt do it tho

[low marsh]

Yea

[soft panther]

it blocks ur communist pathway aswell

[crude veldt]

what does

[low marsh]

Ally with silver shirts will be locked and ur advisor will also be blocked

[crude veldt]

neutrality act?

[soft panther]

intervention and neutrality

or*

[crude veldt]

hm

ok

tyasm

[low marsh]

I think the civil war removes it

Or get 50 war support

[manic timber]

but why no le fiamme nere

[small rapids]

will they ever help luxenburg?

[vestal linden]

Egypt

[mortal thunder]

i really think that the pick one option for army corps is limiting. i wish there was a expanding branch so u could have egineer, terrain, artillerly specialforces etc bonuses that unlocked like espionage. but the more offices you had the more bloated the cost of things as training time and xp cost goes up

[feral bolt]

i like add system of OOB how in HOI III and system use now

HOI IV

[visual willow]

OBB?

[feral bolt]

Order Of Battle

srry was OOB

but honest prefered III

like it level of organization

[fickle dust]

I hope no, this is least interesting part for me that you can conquer world in relatively small time playing as some small country. At least for me this breaks immersion.

[visual willow]

if they rework the default focus tree maybe they give a little bit of flavour to luxembourg but i dont at all see a full focus tree working for it

[solid gyro]

Balance of power sounds both cursed and super awesome at the same time

Kinda wanna play Italy and be like I AM THE SENATE!

Or “UNLIMITED POWEEER”

[solid gyro]

Anyone starting to feel that BBA is gonna be a bit rushed?

Like it seems really good, but i remember a screenshot that surfaced here earlier basically showing the original release date was December 31st

And the fact of what it's adding and all the new game changing mechanics it seems that either they were working on this with NSB or its been going really quickly

[visual willow]

Hopefully it'll be the first dlc with somewhat post-launch updates

[solid gyro]

I dont beleive so, I think they're gonna start working in the next DLC immediately

I know they may want to add one more Major mechanic after the ones they're adding now

[feral bolt]

yep wait what they add new system military of HOI III

[spark breach]

It’s going to be unbalanced

The dev feature video part 2 implys Switzerland can annex pieces of nations for free

Like South Tyrol piedmont and Austria

[feral bolt]

how poland with chezc

[solid gyro]

Did your read the Dev Diary for Switzerland?

[visual willow]

Ok it costs like what, 25 pp?

[spark breach]

no

I refuse to look at dev diaries

[soft panther]

k

[solid gyro]

Yeah there is a system in place for taking the land, so like kinda Ancluss, and then Bulgarians claim territory thing

[visual willow]

does the nation you take land from HAVE to accept you? otherwise literally anyone can just say no

[solid gyro]

Yes it does have to accept

[visual willow]

ok so it is only usefull against AI then ig

[solid gyro]

Unless you have some sort of deal with players

I'm wondering if they fixed the 2 width spam exploit

[soft panther]

instead of relying on decisions japan should also get balance of power between the navy and the army

[visual willow]

on japan rework

[soft panther]

yeah in 5 years

[mortal thunder]

anu dev in chat

[solid gyro]

In Hoi5

The cool thing about BBA, We are getting a new starting nation

Probably never getting a focus tho

[soft panther]

@solid gyro

sultanate of aussa?

[solid gyro]

Yeah I beleive

[wheat spoke]

still waiting for my goddamn clausewitz engine to be public!

[balmy vault]

What's the reason behind the name of the DLC btw?

[iron hedge]

Quotes

[solid gyro]

Cool

I kinda wish it was Mare Norstrum tho

[visual willow]

Would fit better if 2 of the 3 countries that got a tree actually bordered the mediterranean lol

Instead of just italy

[solid gyro]

Probably

Not now all of them have focuses excluding Albania

Albania not having a tree kinda does and doesn't make sense

[visual willow]

What the f you gonna do with albania

At best when we get a default tree rework albania gets like 5 unique focuses and that's it

[old star]

i mean, albania could do smth like “ooga booga let’s resurrect skanderbeg”

but if we’re being realistic then it could work like how ethiopia’s subjugation path works

they could do stuff for italy or just end up breaking away

[visual willow]

Yeah but tbf even if you subjegate to italy, what then

Ethiopia has the benefit of being one of the 3 african nations, 2 of which can actually do something too lol

[balmy vault]

Making them a subject instead of annexed would be weird

[old star]

you have game impact kekw

[old star]

albania became an italian protectorate otl instead of just being fully annexed so it makes a bit of sense

[solid gyro]

Well, the new stuff in career profile certainly changes things. And the mod achievements stuff is fantastic.

[solid gyro]

Something Fun

L8ke Zog Suprememcy or something

Just a fun alt-history focus like the Baltics

Also:

[nocturne tree]

💀

[wooden trout]

Since Ethiopia will have an anarchist path, Will BBA make anarchism its own ideology category or is it still non-aligned?

[warm pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/bencarson-fruitsalad-ben-carson-gif-5120143

Saw today's Dev Diary, and the ribbons/medals and such: My brain goes:

Since all the military people I've known call ribbon and medal racks 'fruit salad'

[quaint sage]

it would not even be that hard

literaly the same picture for all of them

but, they would have to add a path for the default tree

[soft panther]

where is my dd for portraits or achievements