hoi4-general

[opaque mortar]

i am

and?

whats ur comment

[young lake]

God forbid I play the game how I like 💔

[dim hazel]

am i cooked because it took me 660 hours to learn how mefo bills worked

[graceful grove]

My friend told Me He figured out how the game works on 2nd playthrough
How is this even possible

[opaque mortar]

its also quite hard to push when all ur supply is being sucked up

[ivory hull]

dont use bad heavy tanks and get supply hubs

[lapis snow]

Improve the railways?

[young lake]

If you need an airforce your bad

[lethal ether]

u can push with 0 supply if u got cas litteraly

[opaque mortar]

heavy tanks is my build

[ivory hull]

send template

[lethal ether]

💀

[opaque mortar]

i have?

it takes time to improve raoilways

thats why i havent pushed

[lethal ether]

yeah 30 days

[opaque mortar]

tank temp

[lethal ether]

to build railway upgade from front to capital

[ivory hull]

what are your losses to attrition

[opaque mortar]

or div temp

[ivory hull]

both

[lapis snow]

Takes till 43 to build railways?

[opaque mortar]

yeah

30 days

then u push 30 meters and another 30 rails

[lethal ether]

and im gurssing uve been stuck up for way longer

[lethal ether]

no its less bcuz uve already upgraded the ones before

[opaque mortar]

im not stuck

:I

[lapis snow]

[opaque mortar]

im not stuck

[opaque mortar]

it takes the same amount of time to upgrade nomater what

[young lake]

I hate to break it to everyone, but arguing over supply is NOT winning the war 😭

[lapis snow]

“I’m not stuck, I just refused to build air and am still in the baltics in 43”

[opaque mortar]

unless u have like 2 civs

[opaque mortar]

why do u have such a boner for air

i never refused to build air

i was just too lazy for air

and i wasnet ready for war

[lapis snow]

Idk man, CAS damage and flat 25% combat stats is pretty good

[opaque mortar]

yeah mate

[young lake]

Im gonna be real, Infantry battle plan would have won it by now 😭

[lethal ether]

havent u been litteralt saying u cant push

[opaque mortar]

idc about 25% cas damage when im playingf another game

[opaque mortar]

when did i say that?

who said that?

im so confused

[young lake]

-60k guns 😎

[opaque mortar]

like mate

[opaque mortar]

i made an acvive choice to not build air

[young lake]

This is why you dont go on discord with battleplan

[opaque mortar]

and ur obbsessing over it for no bloodyu reason

yes ik cas damage is huge

[lapis snow]

#hoi4-general message

[opaque mortar]

and yes i was too lazy to put the effort into it

whats the bloody issue

[opaque mortar]

yeah

and thats not even me

that is just bs

ive litterly been pushing the entire war

[lethal ether]

“why do i have 3m casualties?”

[graceful grove]

Holy
How did the ottoman empire return

[lapis snow]

Then why is it not over? The USSR doesn’t take 4 years to defeat lmao

[young lake]

L ragebait

[lethal ether]

how is this ragebait

explain

[young lake]

We are just taking a pitstop fr

[opaque mortar]

becasue my build is shit and ive been playing 2 games

[young lake]

Holy failing ragebait

[opaque mortar]

i was sucked into the war before i was ready

i ddient have enough tanks

[young lake]

Tanks? IN THIS ECONOMY!?

[opaque mortar]

france and england joined againsed me when i had no troops on their border

[young lake]

(Which I dealt with)

[opaque mortar]

yeah

but it still delays shit

[young lake]

Lets be real, its COMPLETELY our fault it went this way lol

[opaque mortar]

you retreating ure amry

left a huge hole in the front line

[young lake]

?

[opaque mortar]

where the ai pushed in

and took half of poland

[young lake]

You told me to put that entire army on France what?...

And you said you would fill my lines with your reserves 😭

Which I filled myself

[opaque mortar]

...

i didnet

[lapis snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1449942974019670066/1458462764501827644/JSBF_9XVATAAS7_YNB8HE.gif

[opaque mortar]

i said to keep an army to hold the frontline

[karmic wren]

how do you fix uh when ur logistics show red numbers

on production

[opaque mortar]

wym on production

here?

[karmic wren]

logistic tab

[opaque mortar]

like this?

[karmic wren]

ye

[lethal ether]

you make more of that equipment

[sudden thistle]

Build more

[lethal ether]

thats how much ure missing

[opaque mortar]

add more production to the equipment

[sudden thistle]

How else

[opaque mortar]

so i would need to produce more heavy tanks

for example

[lethal ether]

steal

beg

both work

[karmic wren]

ok

[young lake]

Bro has 88 on heavy's whilst I only have 90 in my entire country 💔

[brittle laurel]

ah, its perfect

[young lake]

Can ts even fight 😭

[opaque mortar]

i got sexual pleasure from this

[true oar]

just put every division into one division

genius

[brittle laurel]

It fights… just doesn’t win a battle for eternity 💀

[zenith charm]

there is never enough factories my friend

[opaque mortar]

@lapis snow

happy gng>?

[graceful grove]

Can We lwk just kill civilians so there’s no rebellion 🙏🏻

[opaque mortar]

this is litterly a couple months after the over image

in 43

[lapis snow]

Congrats.

[lethal ether]

yeah you can garrison them harshly

wont work though

[young lake]

This is why we infantry battleplan 😎

[lethal ether]

with no cas

and -60k guns

and 3m deaths

[opaque mortar]

this is tonks mate

[graceful grove]

I do brutal oppresion
4 months later
Boom! Austria rebels

[young lake]

I dont even know how tf I got -50k guns, I looked away on discord for 5 seconds and burnt through 50k stockpile and went 50k in deficit

[brittle laurel]

infantry has always been superior

[graceful grove]

They can’t rebel if They don’t even exist

[lapis snow]

Attrition from overstacking

[lethal ether]

because ure supposed to use local police force

[young lake]

Nope

[brittle laurel]

Just nuke them

[lapis snow]

Garrisons?

[lethal ether]

yeah because u have no supply, attrition from overstacking, no cas, and ure pushing with infantry

[graceful grove]

I see
Even when the rebel rate is high? Cuz it got Me panic

[graceful grove]

Don’t have Them yet sadly

[young lake]

That MIGHT be it xd

[lethal ether]

yes and use cavalrly as garrison template

[graceful grove]

Okay

[sudden thistle]

U may be cheating bro

[brittle laurel]

ah

thats the only thing that excited me going past 45

Nukes

[lethal ether]

hover ur mouse over it

itll tell u if its new deployments, garrison or div reinforcement

[young lake]

Nah only -4k from garrisons

Rest are reinforcements

[true oar]

why does he look so dissapointed

😭

[lapis snow]

Reinforcements for the inf that have been taking attrition

[young lake]

Still no

[lapis snow]

Open theatre stats and check

[young lake]

They have no attrition and have had none

[young lake]

12k from attrition 110k from combat

[lapis snow]

So 1/3 of the deficit is garrisons and attrition, the rest is as bluck said

[brittle laurel]

its like hearing screeching chalk

[brittle laurel]

yikes

[young lake]

Only 8 on my divs btw 😭

I moved them away before I even lost any significant ammount of my stockpile

[lapis snow]

Napoleonic levels of attrition

[young lake]

:p

[lethal ether]

even if it was only 8 which i doubt it is then it would probably still be enough to make u lose that equipment

[young lake]

They had been there for like 4 years with no supply and I had constantly been gaining guns

[steep rampart]

Just put your garrison to civilian oversight, there’s no problems if nobody’s there to see them

[young lake]

It wasnt a question bro I KNOW I lost it all from fighting 😭

[lapis snow]

Brother you started posting about this game you and your pal are playing

We’re just commenting on what info you give us

[sudden thistle]

beat this guys

[young lake]

-4% stability...

[deep solstice]

I still wonder why they ever nerfed August Von Mackensen during the Civil War

[sudden thistle]

yeah ik thats horrible

[true oar]

How do you even manage to have stability that low

do you spam politcal decisions or something

ts has to be on purpose

[sudden thistle]

i got a little screwed with my political tree early on

[lethal ether]

isnt it impossible to get negative stability

[sudden thistle]

its a mod

[lethal ether]

yeah i figured

[zenith charm]

Nah its modded

[lapis onyx]

Annoying things in hoi4

Training units/generals

Esp training traits

You can either have lots of crackshot small divs or nothing

Only ever had navy units reach vet status

[lethal ether]

56

[marble patio]

how does spain not have a unique tree

it's spain

[brittle cypress]

They do

But you need la resistance dlc

[marble patio]

bro

welp

bell isnt tolling for me I guess

[lapis onyx]

Jesus

Tell me how long that battle takes

I encircled around 15 divs in my game and it took abit over 2 ingame months to finally knock them out

[lethal ether]

like

2 days

they crumbled instantly

[marble patio]

bro will never break this encirclement

war will be over and they will still be in there

[lethal ether]

it genuinely took like 2 ingame days

it was only 500k i expected it to be more

[sudden thistle]

Please be AI

[true oar]

forget the unification

[lethal ether]

what?

[true oar]

how does britain own EVERYTHING

lmfao

[sudden thistle]

please tell me it was AI that was killed there

[lethal ether]

yes

why r u asking

oh

u thought it was me

[sudden thistle]

u were talking about mp earlier

[lethal ether]

i was?

[warped crescent]

oh uh they were "The Empire"

[sudden thistle]

i thought u were

hm

[lethal ether]

oke

[warped crescent]

lmaaaooo

[true oar]

😭

IM CRYING

[sudden thistle]

all u need to do is invade the Isles

[warped crescent]

LMAO

[dire hornet]

yummy border gore

[true oar]

lag gore

[cursive ingot]

chinese holy roman empire

[warped crescent]

that is not the holy roman empire

this is

:D

[opal trellis]

i finally did it...i conquered ethiopia ^^

[cursive ingot]

yup that is why i said chinese

[opal trellis]

wwhat is a dlc

[marble patio]

💔

[uncut pollen]

No begging

[cursive ingot]

damn

[marble patio]

im not begging

if i was begging i'd be like

"PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE"

[opal trellis]

how did u even get mod do u know the hoi4 creators or smth?

[uncut pollen]

Chak was like

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-yo-dudes-the-empires-pretty-chill-maybe-you-could-like-join-it-or-something-star-wars-meme-gif-7996809179631703272

And i said yes

/jk

[opal trellis]

lol

[uncut pollen]

https://discord.com/channels/183787140671471616/959392828839047179

But go check there

[opal trellis]

ooooohh

[marble patio]

how does ts happen

[opal trellis]

civil war i believe

[severe maple]

Why do people not like graveyard of empires?

Im looking at buying some more dlcs and wanted to question it

[rich canyon]

is communism strongest ideology bc of liberated workers and less restrictions

[safe wing]

Because it was in a terrible condition when it first dropped

Also it didn’t add much and playing in the Middle East isn’t fun in hoi4 unlike eu4

[severe maple]

Fair enough

Im looking to buy some more dlcs but these bundles and stuff dont seem to change much

So many random options

[lethal ether]

99

[safe wing]

What DLCs do you have atm?

I would recommend these ones if you don’t have them

No step back
By blood alone
Arms against tyranny
Gotterdamerung
No compromise no surrender
And la resistance

[severe maple]

I only dont have by blood alone and no compromise no surrender

Of that list

Oh and Arms against tyranny ig

Issue is those 3 dont fit into paxks

[safe wing]

I would get by blood alone and arms against tyranny

The plane designer, improved peace conferences and MIOs are worthy additions

[severe maple]

Isn't arms just for the nords

[safe wing]

It also adds a international market and more indepth stuff for the war time corporations

[severe maple]

Is expansion pass 2 worth the money?

Im confused on if its fully giving you all of the dlcs it lists

[safe wing]

I mean if you don’t wanna buy 3 DLCs individually

[split bane]

It gives you all the DLC it lists when they release
Since No Compromise No Surrender and Peace for our Time are both already out you'll get them both immediatly

Meanwhile Thunder at our Gates is coming out June 11th which is when you'll get that

[severe maple]

Hmm

That sounds worthwhile

Steam says Arms against tyranny and by blood alone are 40% off but they dont seem to be so thats annoying

[foggy scaffold]

What on earth are the german flags after ww2 ends

Fourth reich??

Bayem-hannover??

[fair blade]

where is graveyard of empires in this list

graveyard of empires is a NECESSITY to play hoi4

[true oar]

said 0 people ver

ever

irrelevant dlc

[fair blade]

most relevant dlc of all time

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/aizen-aizen-sosuke-speed-ishowspeed-cope-harder-lil-bro-gif-11895682226823027412

[severe maple]

So

In theory

I could get the expansion pass and by blood alone for $68

That feels sorta reasonable

[honest glacier]

you could get it for 0 dollars by legal means

[fair blade]

loaded.com ahem ahem ahem

[severe maple]

Hm?

[severe maple]

Sounds sketch

[severe maple]

Such as?

[fair blade]

i mean i get if you dont want to but i did it for almost ALL of my dlcs and vic 3

[honest glacier]

there are youtube and reddit links that donates free dlcs to everyone

of course, im not talking about piracy am i right…

[fair blade]

👀

[lethal ether]

great people can openly talk about piracy but when i told people to buy the game on steam they deleted my message

[lethal ether]

FOR PIRACY

[fair blade]

LOLLL

[honest glacier]

whos talking about piracy here

[vast briar]

Currently pissed at Paradox for not reworking NZ

[solemn hinge]

what causes this event:?

[upbeat tundra]

germany sucking

[solemn hinge]

i mean they did just gain austria so idk

[split bane]

Something in the Democratic/Monarchist German focus tree I think

[atomic grove]

its normal

[solemn hinge]

no this was a historical game just after they capped

[atomic grove]

for some reason austria does that post war

[solemn hinge]

oh cool

[atomic grove]

its not caused by any focus as far as i know

[split bane]

Then idk

[solemn hinge]

ok then

thx

[gilded fractal]

Which hoi4 mod had the option for the UK to have a Scottish king? Its not kaiserredux

[cursive ingot]

What would you guys say is the easiest civil war? Not like I am asking which one because I want an easy one

[restive sable]

the german civil war is pretty easy

[cursive ingot]

Yeah Argentina is also very easy because of how quick it is

[restive sable]

argentine civil war is pretty easy i usually can just snake around them

[cursive ingot]

yeah germany is very easy but just takes longer than some

[shell sorrel]

They are reworking it though

[vast briar]

But not the political focuses though.

[true oar]

New zealand does not need more focuses

it has a ridiculous tree for such an irrelevant country

[vast briar]

Bruh look at their ahistorical branch

[vast briar]

Oh this stupid argument

[shell sorrel]

Brother be thankful they’re getting anything

[stoic pendant]

new zealand saved the world

new zealand owned everything

and gave it to all countrys

anyways, what should i do for my army for monarchist germany, 1937

early 1937

[vast briar]

Yeah, but paradox missed the opportunity to have NZ as one of the main characters of TAOG

[true oar]

You from new zealand or something

thers no way you think NZ needs MORe content

[vast briar]

No

NZ contributed to the battle of Monte Casino

Switzerland has more content then NZ

Weird isn’t it?

[solemn hinge]

this whole world war thing all worked out for germany

[deep solstice]

HELP!!!

[shell sorrel]

Rip

[upbeat tundra]

they allied with the french

so no it didnt

didnt even get back alsab lothringen

[solemn hinge]

im not playing as them

[upbeat tundra]

my eyes suck

[solemn hinge]

and even tho they lost part of the rhein they still gained austria and the east

[upbeat tundra]

rheinland for austria and danzig cannot be worth it bro

[solemn hinge]

fair

anyways im gonna go sleep now

[hallow pulsar]

@long herald you a chud

[fair horizon]

make gun

[graceful grove]

Does the france wall actually matter in this game

[oak sparrow]

No

[graceful grove]

Oki

[true oar]

Yes

But not a lot

[quaint moon]

sure it does, if not for the maginot then it would be ridiculously easy to just go through france while ignoring the benelux and you’d be able to keep trading with the dutch

against AI you can break it anyways but you realistically won’t in an MP game

[misty fossil]

Not if you’re playing in MP and germany knows what they’re doing

[graceful grove]

MP?

[misty fossil]

megapixels

[graceful grove]

Owh
Idk but
I just blindly push
And forgot that france has a wall

Boom!
Less than 1 month

[misty fossil]

well every wall can be torn down

[wise bridge]

is this enough to defend against germany

[regal ridge]

is there a way i could view how far down the tech tree an enemy nation is?

[true oar]

Atp invade them

[graceful grove]

How did You do that 🙏🏻
I lost to france + random middle east country as USSR

[wise bridge]

i have 30 factories on guns making 200 a day with a 5m manpower pool

allows you to crap out a ton of divs

[graceful grove]

Wao

[wise bridge]

good template or no im going all in on defensive

[true oar]

Did france have allied support

or did u genuinely lose to just france

[graceful grove]

Just france + syria
I think
They attacked Me cuz I started war with 3 balkan countries at once

[undone vale]

oh lawd so many ideologies

[fair horizon]

whats your navy look like?

[true oar]

ngl for a game about ww2

its dissapointing how the ideologies in this game

are not very diverse

[wise bridge]

few ships to homefully keep the germans from naval invading

[fair horizon]

you're done for then

[terse skiff]

use either 18w or 36w and remove line artillery. Also if you can't get green air you need aa

[wise bridge]

aye carumba

[fair horizon]

despite what people say navy is the most important part of the game

[wise bridge]

i stacked the entire border with level 5 forts and max aa in every bordering state

bc i wasnt able to fix the horrible soviet air debuffs in time

[terse skiff]

state aa doesn't defend against cas

soviet air debuffs mean nothing in sp

and you just wasted so much ic on forts and state aa

[wise bridge]

crap

whats germanys 39 ai template

[terse skiff]

shit templates cuz they're ai

if you build a proper industry and use normal templates ai won't be able to beat you

[marble ore]

good templates for germany 2026

[true oar]

i use motor infantry with tanks bc its canon

but im also not good at the game

so take it w a grain of salt

[marble ore]

good templates for germany 2026 pictures

[terse skiff]

you mean with mods?

[marble ore]

no

[lapis onyx]

Damn man mine yakes about a week speaking of

I just experienced euphoria

[terse skiff]

Game ends in 1949

[lapis onyx]

Encircled like

29 divs

Or so

[marble ore]

no it dosent

[lapis onyx]

Now to begin to slow process of killing them all

[terse skiff]

It does. Everything after that is just junk time and techs end by 1945

[wise bridge]

why are you typing this like youre searching for 🌽

[marble ore]

i played to 1973

[marble ore]

idk

[terse skiff]

Yeah and it's junk time

[marble ore]

what is junk time

[terse skiff]

It's a waste of time

[marble ore]

send me a picture of templates you usr

use

[terse skiff]

The game gives you a screen by the end of 1949 which means you should stop playing since game stops progressing

[lapis onyx]

No? It doesnt

I should know..

[lapis snow]

If you’re still at war it doesn’t pop

[marble ore]

send me templates

u use

[terse skiff]

1 cav for garrison

My favorite template

[true oar]

does the cold war start near the end of the game

[marble ore]

yes

[true oar]

i never play beyond 1945

[marble ore]

as ussr I beat axis

and I made nuclear weapons

[lapis snow]

Not really no. WW3 happens but no cold war

[marble ore]

are heavy tanks important guys

or can I just use medium

[fair horizon]

medium is fine

heavy tanks require you to play around their weaknesses

[marble ore]

i want to take ussr fast

like fuhrer directive

what do i use to do this

[lapis snow]

Collaboration governments

[terse skiff]

Inf and cas is enough against ai

[marble ore]

no its not

[terse skiff]

It is

[true oar]

Really

[terse skiff]

Unless you're playing higher ai difficulty mods

[marble ore]

no you still need good tanks

[terse skiff]

Uh no?

[true oar]

whenever germany falls usually the ussr declares war on the usa afterwards

in my games

[marble ore]

yes thats the only way I can beat ussr

[terse skiff]

Especially if you're playing vanilla

[marble ore]

if I dont use tanks they just push me

I can have thousands of planes

[lapis snow]

The game isn’t set up for a cold war to happen and all content stops before then narratively

[terse skiff]

Cuz you use shit templates, have bad air and supply, and don't have an industry?

[marble ore]

no i have good templates

i have artillery, logistic company, and signal company

[terse skiff]

If you can't push against vanilla ussr as Germany then your templates suck

[marble ore]

bro I ca

can

but only with tanks and I stop advancing once I reach moscow oblast

[lapis snow]

Or they leave barb too late and don’t build up a big enough force

[true oar]

let him use tanks bro jeez

[terse skiff]

I mean if you want tanks just use this

[marble ore]

what is this graphics brother

[terse skiff]

You don't need the breakthrough modules, they're just for style points and sabotaging yourself in sp

[lapis snow]

Happens often because you hit supply dead zones once you go east enough

[terse skiff]

Hoidesigner.com

[sage ridge]

if i could only buy three dlcs, which ones would it be? just wondering which are the best

[marble ore]

once i reach moscow oblast they just start pushing me and by 1945 allies and ussr is at berlin

[empty phoenix]

hey hii

[terse skiff]

Nsb aat la resistance

But PDX might add la resistance into base game

[lapis snow]

Yeah? You make the game hard for yourself by not being fast. The allies should die in 1940 when you invade the UK and the sovs die a year later

[marble ore]

i cant take uk it is easier to take ussr

[fair horizon]

chat i need reccomendations, how would you do medium/heavy bombers?

[lapis snow]

Neither is difficult

[sage ridge]

get a bunch of fighters and gain air superiority, then paradrop london

as for the soviets, just fight them before 1940

[marble ore]

how many transports i make

[marble ore]

why before 1940

[sage ridge]

army size

[marble ore]

so I take poland then invade ussr?

no france

i take ussr first then france?

[lapis snow]

They’re much weaker before 1942 due to focuses and national spirits

[marble ore]

ok do i start on 1935 or 1949

[sage ridge]

36

[lapis snow]

[marble ore]

ok i will come back in 30 minutes when it is 1940

[sage ridge]

it allows you so much more time for war

for the record i only have 62 hours on hoi4, so if this plan fails, its because of lack of my experience

[marble ore]

bro what the f

i cant trust u then

[sage ridge]

trust me bro

[quaint moon]

poland then france then soviets

[marble ore]

but why would i take ussr before france

[sage ridge]

^

[quaint moon]

that would be a horrible idea

[marble ore]

idk man the uk will try landing

[quaint moon]

of course they will

[sage ridge]

use ur navy

[quaint moon]

and if you dont take france they wont need to

[marble ore]

in english channel?

do I just put mines

[quaint moon]

just put like 72 divs or port garisson orders and your fine

[marble ore]

or do I patrol

[lapis snow]

No they won’t. They’re programmed not to do D-day before 42

[quaint moon]

your navy wont do shit to stop them from ddaying when they want to

[sage ridge]

names noted

[marble ore]

then why did they land in 1941

and also one time they did doomsday in poland

[quaint moon]

do you have any DLCs?

[marble ore]

yes all dlcs

[sage ridge]

historical or non-historical?

[marble ore]

every dlc

historical

[quaint moon]

ok well then you can just make good tanks and win

[marble ore]

ok

send tank templates

[lapis snow]

I mean if you exposed yourself by opening up a front in scandinavia/balkans or not having air/navy then yeah maybe they got a lucky one in there. I mean actual naval invasions that are harder to repel

Normally for me If the UK is still kicking in 41 then I’ve done something wrong

[marble ore]

thx but these are not tanks

[quaint moon]

those are medium SP artillery

[lapis snow]

SPGs

[quaint moon]

they are a form of tanks

[marble ore]

do i use these insead of tanks

[empty phoenix]

i figured out how to watch YouTube in hoi4 and idk what to do with this information

[quaint moon]

they are tanks

[sage ridge]

spg

[marble ore]

yeah but do i use them instea

[quaint moon]

yes

[marble ore]

ok

[quaint moon]

hard attack doesnt matter against AI

[marble ore]

oh

[quaint moon]

and you'll get enough breakthrough from that and the recon light tanks anyways

[marble ore]

so i cna have 0 hard attack

[quaint moon]

it's difficult to get 0 hard attack

in the first place

but you do not need to worry about hard attack or piercing

[marble ore]

why should i trust you

hard attack sounds better than soft attack

[lapis snow]

Until late game, yes. Hard attack counters hardness which is tanks and mechanized. The AI doesn’t have high hardness until very late

[quaint moon]

hard attack only damages hard targets

[marble ore]

ok

[quaint moon]

so tanks/mech/armored cars

[marble ore]

what is better spgs or tanks or both

[quaint moon]

that bar on the right is the hardness scale

[quaint moon]

SPGs are tanks, if you mean regular mediums or SPGs then just SPGs

[fair horizon]

chat look how influential i am

[marble ore]

ok but lets pretend they are not tanks

which one is better

[quaint moon]

against AI SPGs

[marble ore]

can i use both

[quaint moon]

if you want to but there's no reason

[marble ore]

because it is realistic

can I make spgs in 1937 or 1938?

[quaint moon]

very little about hoi4 is realistic

[lapis snow]

Mixing them is fine, it’s just less efficient because they’re separate production lines

[quaint moon]

it may be possible in 37 but i don't usually play germany so idk

you can definitely get it at least early 38

[marble ore]

and what i do with my airplanes and navy

[lapis snow]

38 is definitely doable if you prioritise the right techs

[marble ore]

what about my airplanes

[quaint moon]

if your gonna make air you need to build refineries

otherwise the moment the war starts you cant make any more

[marble ore]

what about fighters

[quaint moon]

you're probably gonna struggle juggling air, tank, and industry techs so i would consider just not doing air

[quaint moon]

oh i sent the same image twice

hold on

[marble ore]

that is cas

[quaint moon]

i swear i copied the right image

[marble ore]

ok

what about paratrooper templates

[quaint moon]

doesn't matter very much

you'll never fill the combat width out anyways

18w or 20w is probably fine

[fair horizon]

my hoi4 crashed 😔

[deep solstice]

We are ALL using the same template

[misty fossil]

correct

spgs arent categorically tanks

[quaint moon]

i'll sometimes go two on armor plates depending on the country but other than that there is absolutely no possible variety for making planes

[misty fossil]

a pzh2000 isnt an mbt

[deep solstice]

I randomly made that template one day without even realizing it was meta

and have never stopped using it since

[quaint moon]

at least with tanks you can differentiate w/ speed, breakthrough, and IC, but there's nothing of the sort with planes

[deep solstice]

tbh

[fair horizon]

chat my hoi4 crashes when i hover over the naval headquarters in post naval battle report

[misty fossil]

I love how air design is just spamming a single design

and then the moment you play with air designer mods people start calling them bloat

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1063817618475208755/1153549899233755266/babylon.gif

[fair horizon]

thats because the mods dont change anything and just make you research 40 more things

[misty fossil]

real

[fair horizon]

ill give vnr a slight pass though because at least it changes the fact that you can come out of a naval battle unscathed

[lapis onyx]

Ie they are slow but when combined with other units can make a great spear head so to speak

My current heavy tank div has some leg infantry cus my current design wasnt designed wmbeing alone but rather supported and has some good terrain bonuses

Big plus my general had adaptable

[fair horizon]

the terrain negatives

[median juniper]

The terrain penalties are really tough when you aren't on plains yeah

[quaint moon]

speed really doesn't matter too much with tanks, if you really want to move in to tiles quicker you can just have them attack with mot/mech divs

[median juniper]

To the point mediums end up often just performing better if you have to go across a range of rivers, hills, forests, and especially swamp/mountains at any point

[quaint moon]

and yeah the terrain forces you to pick your battles carefully, esp when the average heavy tank design has 15-20% reliability

[fair horizon]

20% 💀

[quaint moon]

20% is on the higher end

[fair horizon]

i dont play majors thats not affordable unless you want me to have 2 divs lmao

[quaint moon]

i think the heavy tanks i design usually have 13

[quaint moon]

well tbf i've never heard of minors making tanks being meta

you never have to make heavy tanks in sp

[fair horizon]

well i dont play multiplayer so

[quaint moon]

you can just do medium sp arty and melt everything

[fair horizon]

sure can

but its not fun

[quaint moon]

i'll only play majors if im going for an achievement or playing sheep's mod

[median juniper]

In single player I don't bother with spart/tds etc that often

[quaint moon]

otherwise its too easy

[median juniper]

Though I play nodded basically exclusively

[tulip thorn]

spart?

[median juniper]

Self propelled arty

[tulip thorn]

Ah

[quaint moon]

sp artillery probably

[tulip thorn]

Spgs my beloved

10k soft attack

[median juniper]

Mostly EaW at that lul

[tulip thorn]

Equestria at war ai is mean now

I was not prepared to deal with actual good ai tank divs

[median juniper]

I have eaten it to the ling AI before as EQS, but that was me lacking a proper plan and being overconfident

[tulip thorn]

Pretty much my current equestria game

I was not ready for the changling tanks

[median juniper]

Funnily enough the run after I again forgot about the infiltrator divisions

But I got saved by having a reserve army of pegasi

(plus training troops I could deploy early)

[tulip thorn]

I saved my run by getting a lucky encirclement on a good 50% of the changling army

[median juniper]

My strat was basically just France that time

Though also making sure I had air superiority

[tulip thorn]

My entire strat in my most recent equestria game was, cause as many casualties as possible while keeping air superiority

So I could just roll over them

[median juniper]

Actually pushing forward was a slog tho, even after the lings bled themselves out on my forts

[tulip thorn]

Yeah I was not ready for the changling ai to invade me with this

I was not ready for that at all

[fair horizon]

changelings ❤️

[median juniper]

That's actually half decent damn

[misty fossil]

I need to play eaw damn

[median juniper]

Field hospital is half odd but EaW had reduced manpower across the board

[misty fossil]

Whats a fun country

[tulip thorn]

One of the recent updates made them use way better divs

I wish I knew that before I started this playthrough

[cobalt rock]

why does AI have budget space marines

[median juniper]

The SPAA too for when EQS beats them in air

[misty fossil]

Its not space marines

its to stack piercing or something

[tulip thorn]

I already destroyed there airforce

Its gone

[misty fossil]

dread league rework when

[tulip thorn]

all 10k planes they had

[median juniper]

It's easy to turkey shoot their planes

[misty fossil]

Real

[tulip thorn]

Never had to micro this much in a normal non sheep mod game lol

[median juniper]

Can't wait for when those reworks on equus come out

[tulip thorn]

Same

Equestria rework ❤️

[fair horizon]

my chromium :(

[median juniper]

Oh yeah they got flame tank too, though only regular engi

[misty fossil]

Is it possible to mech rush as eqs

[tulip thorn]

Idk

[misty fossil]

I cant think of a way to stop those tanks

[tulip thorn]

Im sure it is

I dont think you can

Nothing gives a good early truck bonus

[misty fossil]

damn

spf build here we go

[tulip thorn]

This is what I had when they invaded

I was not ready

[median juniper]

I went for tanks + air superiority + space marine inf, that just held with reinforce looping

[tulip thorn]

Didnt even have any of my cas yet

[misty fossil]

On that topic why do some people say space marines are bad?

[fair horizon]

watching fighters do things is cool

[tulip thorn]

They arent bad, just not worth it

They are kinda mid

[misty fossil]

hm

[median juniper]

Latter part were the cheapest possible light tank destroyers

[tulip thorn]

can be pretty expensive on fuel aswell

[median juniper]

Just spammed them out

[misty fossil]

I mean

I was thinking you could play like sov with tanks

spam a ton of heavy tds to cover the line or something & forfeit air

Shame you cant rush war economy early as eqs

is it possible to get war eco early?

[tulip thorn]

nope

cant even really rush partial

[misty fossil]

Sad

Clearly celestia and luna are bad leaders

[median juniper]

EQS gets really good air tech buffs, so it's economical to rush optimal 1940 fighter

[tulip thorn]

Misclick

[median juniper]

Banger song

[tulip thorn]

😭

It is

Still a misclick lol

[median juniper]

It's on my playlist :p

[misty fossil]

What

I missed that

[tulip thorn]

Accidentily did the spotify invite thing

[misty fossil]

ban him!!!!

[tulip thorn]

💔

[median juniper]

I think I also rushed for the + mil factory options that time too

[tulip thorn]

I rushed 1015 fighter tbh

[median juniper]

But the efficiency 😩

Easier to get 1011 stuff up to speed in time

[tulip thorn]

Thats true

Still had to make alot of 1011

No way I was geting 1015 in time

[median juniper]

And you can free up research slots/mils for other stuff

Like cas (which will get shot down a lot)

[fair horizon]

wrong

[misty fossil]

You can stack a bunch of defense on cas to lower losses ig

i dont think heavy tanks are a viable strat for eqs

they just dont have enough mils nor do they have a tank refub mio like sov

[tulip thorn]

They arent

[median juniper]

I eventually got mediums, but didn't rely on them for defense only the breakthrough later

[tulip thorn]

Equestria is so damn weak for so long

[misty fossil]

https://youtu.be/A4iH1cvHhiQ?si=8EnvLtrp9r_Yr1oA i was thinking about this strat

[tulip thorn]

Yeah thats not even close to possible as equestria

[misty fossil]

Yeah lmao

[median juniper]

Big part is you gotta be economical with like everything

At least early

[tulip thorn]

Yeah

[misty fossil]

Best you can do is get entrenchment and use spies ig

do counterespionage and put spies on the border

[median juniper]

Level 5 is around the sweet spot for forts I think against AI on that front?

[misty fossil]

take spf for org recovery

[tulip thorn]

Con Mane likes it shaken not stirred

[misty fossil]

what

[median juniper]

High enough to help hold, low enough the AI still attacks

[tulip thorn]

Its one of the equestria starting spies

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/gem-alarm-gem-alert-chud-redditor-gem-gif-6415505554061588689

eaw trying to not give the most op stuff

[tulip thorn]

Yes

Equestria needs all the help it can get

[misty fossil]

what about terrain

any marshes, mountains or jungles around the eqs border region

[tulip thorn]

Most of it is plains and forest

[misty fossil]

damn

[median juniper]

Border itself is kinda rough, but I held right there

[misty fossil]

equestrian endsieg

[tulip thorn]

There are a few nice rivers

[median juniper]

In part cause I didn't want to lose those airbases lol

Plus logistics worked well there

[misty fossil]

Wish you could pick what province to build air bases in

large unit tactics could work well for eqs

[median juniper]

Wish I could tell Cady to stop sending her subjects to their doom on the flank

[misty fossil]

for the extra hp

[median juniper]

Had to send a whole army to save her

[misty fossil]

So you can do something like an org wall into mech wall

[median juniper]

Well my inf wasn't all the space Marines, that was only like 25-33% of it

[tulip thorn]

Cadance almost ruined my entire run

[median juniper]

The rest just had shovels and a bit of arty

[misty fossil]

Does harmony edition or whatever sweat ai mod for eaw still work

[tulip thorn]

Dont think so

[misty fossil]

rip

was wondering how the game would be like if they actually made meta tanks

[tulip thorn]

That sounds really hard

[prime edge]

Peak peacedeal

My favorite bits:
stripey Norway
Three separate albanias
2 separate Soviet Hungarys, both equally useless
The Middle East

[tulip thorn]

Finally caught the tanks that have been a absolute pain to defend againt

[undone veldt]

Bro

I'm playing road to 56 on hist and Luxembourg decided to just end themselves😭

[tulip thorn]

What else they supposed to do

Let germany blow up the entire nation

Just for the same outcome

[median juniper]

Takes me a good few extra seconds to read pics like this cause I'm so used to NATO counters

[tulip thorn]

Damn

I dont understand nato counters at all

[median juniper]

I learned them with hoi3

[tulip thorn]

I never played hoi3

But vic 2 my beloved

[median juniper]

Also watching various YouTubers cover WW2 stuff using them

[tulip thorn]

makes sense

[undone veldt]

Poor Luxembourg 🇱🇺

[tepid saffron]

sad

[undone veldt]

I didn't even fight them bro, they just gave up

[tepid saffron]

you scared them bro

what is wrong with you

[undone veldt]

They did some path where they just get annexed

Mb

[tepid saffron]

release them now

[undone veldt]

I need them for greater Germany, ill prob see if it let's me release them after

Im gonna build a ton there

[tepid saffron]

good

what you did was evil

[stoic flame]

dont release them i hate luxembourg

[undone veldt]

why tf does Luxembourg have 20 industry slots

[tepid saffron]

woah man

[tepid saffron]

because luxembourg strong but nice

[stoic flame]

wow

[stoic flame]

they bottom 5 oat

[undone veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/lüksemburg-luxembourg-gif-23460226

[tepid saffron]

whats with this luxembourg hate

[misty fossil]

Extra points for the larp

[stoic flame]

axis >

[fair horizon]

nooo they didnt mean it

[stoic flame]

facist netherlands

[undone veldt]

They have more steel than Switzerland bro...

[stoic flame]

holy

anyone wanna play some multiplayer

[tepid saffron]

17m more to go

[undone veldt]

I would but I'm doing a road to 56 game for the first time

[stoic flame]

ohh

im tryna revive the kaiser

[undone veldt]

I play other mods usually

W

[stoic flame]

i play 1800 mod

im a napoleon geek

oh wait thats not the name anymore

mb that was the mod name

[median juniper]

Not even larp, I can just Intuit it better that way (though I've also spent so much time reading Gary grigsby game AARs so I'm not the norm lol)

[undone veldt]

Have you played millennium dawn or novum velixium(prob wrong spelling)

[stoic flame]

ive played fire rises

i hate the fire rises focus tree

[misty fossil]

played md and tfr

[undone veldt]

I haven't is it good?

[stoic flame]

to much stuff goes on in that mod

[undone veldt]

Ah

[misty fossil]

tfr is good

[tepid saffron]

md is just

[misty fossil]

the focus trees are great

[tepid saffron]

one of the slowest mods

[stoic flame]

only good as a small country

[tepid saffron]

i've ever played

[stoic flame]

i think they are to much

oh wait

no

the research

mb

[undone veldt]

Yeah

[misty fossil]

whats with the research?

[stoic flame]

idk i dont like it

i like playing as south korea tho

[misty fossil]

its just ported from vanilla

[stoic flame]

but thats it

[misty fossil]

sk has no focus tree

dont they

[stoic flame]

no

thats what i like

[misty fossil]

Oh

fair

[stoic flame]

i like calm gameplay every now and then

[undone veldt]

Idea

[stoic flame]

i just invade north korea then china

then quit

[undone veldt]

Im gonna build a nuclear facility in Luxembourg

[stoic flame]

oh wow

imma annex them

and ruin their economy

version 10 is peak

ignore germanys flag

[misty fossil]

Censor the swastika bud

[stoic flame]

oh mb

[misty fossil]

before mods mute you

[undone veldt]

You should do a Luxembourg world conquest

[stoic flame]

i just liked japans flag

[misty fossil]

Lol

[stoic flame]

im never updating

unless its for mp

[undone veldt]

I had to play some old version to play usa divided and the ai templates sucked so bad

[stoic flame]

oh wow

yk what ford pick a country

imma play it

[undone veldt]

They did have like 15 divs per tile tho

Hmm

[stoic flame]

ill win

[undone veldt]

Are you on a mod

[stoic flame]

no matter the country

nope

[undone veldt]

Ohhh I got one

[stoic flame]

which one

[undone veldt]

Yemen😭

[stoic flame]

yk thats not bad

i thought u were gonna say israel tbh

are u on a vc

[undone veldt]

Actually wait

Got a better one

Bhutan

They have a tree in road to 56 i have no clue abt the main game

[stoic flame]

bet ill do that

[undone veldt]

Nah

[stoic flame]

wanna join one imma ss me counqering the world

[undone veldt]

I cant talk but I can text and hear u

[stoic flame]

oh alr

[undone veldt]

I ain't supposed to be awake rn so I just dont wanna use my mic

[deep solstice]

1941 classic right here

[stoic flame]

damn

well im bhutan rn imma cook

[undone veldt]

We can still vc tho like I said, you would prob have to keep discord open tho

[stoic flame]

im on looking for mp vc rn

[grave sonnet]

Nice trade

[undone veldt]

Ok gimme a sec

[stoic flame]

alr

[deep solstice]

If only they would've lasted a bit longer

as for this, well im just ignoring it

[stoic flame]

whats that map mod

[deep solstice]

Vintage Map Mod and Satisfying Puppet and Country Names

[grave sonnet]

Bro don't I genuinely have PTSD in Sunday I had a perfect austro Hungarian run I landed UK defeated them but the US joined the second they capped 💔 I can't with the UK anymore

[deep solstice]

I just did an Austro-Hungarian run earlier

formed the Austrian Empire and then Greater Austrian Empire

it was fun but theres not much to do as Austria

besides realize your research sucks

[grave sonnet]

Ok I was kinda wrong

I played Hungary Austria

Not Austria Hungary

But yeah

Same stuff

[tepid saffron]

austria > hungary

[deep solstice]

silly yugoslavia always falling apart

[grave sonnet]

Oh God not Croatia

[deep solstice]

I prefer Austria cause I feel cool

[tepid saffron]

austria is better anyways so yip

[grave sonnet]

I like Hungary because they are Hungary

[deep solstice]

listen bro we have BIGGER ISSUES 😭

[tepid saffron]

i cant get it ):

[deep solstice]

what is GOING ON 😭

[grave sonnet]

Easy...? Rush them don't take too much time you could have converted Ur paratroopers

[deep solstice]

everything is TERRIBLE

[graceful grove]

Is this a good use of 4 year plan

[deep solstice]

yeah dw we'll be done in a moment

[grave sonnet]

Hoi4 players Vs Screenshots

[tepid saffron]

son just take a screenshot

[graceful grove]

Too lazy to open discord with pc lol

[deep solstice]

were about 3 days in son

[graceful grove]

It’s laggy there

Somehow

[grave sonnet]

They done for yeah

Bro I have stupid ahh autocorrect

[tepid saffron]

i love not playing hoi4 and just battleplanning

[grave sonnet]

Annoying asf

[grave sonnet]

We love taking 50× more casualties than needed same with losing equipment

[tepid saffron]

i have a couple months in me

[grave sonnet]

Why didn't you rush annexation of Austria

[tepid saffron]

also that

[deep solstice]

I declared on Norway and Denmark last second just to take their shit 😭

actual greed 😭

[graceful grove]

Idk
I’m building economy first

And getting panzer research

For panzer army

[tepid saffron]

air air and even more air

[grave sonnet]

Idk Rushing annexation is easy you just gotta spam troops and convert them to Motorised

And ez

[graceful grove]

I see
Will try that next run

[grave sonnet]

Annexation in like 36'

[tepid saffron]

u can just spam like 60-70 2w and convert into 4w

[grave sonnet]

Air cant do nothing if they have AA and stack 30+ troops while they have 0 supply issues

[tepid saffron]

fighters dont take aa

and if u land tanks u just win

[grave sonnet]

Yeah? You CAS them but the AA obliterates u

[grave sonnet]

True

[tepid saffron]

that still shouldnt be a problem unless u have like 10 on cas

[grave sonnet]

True

[tepid saffron]

i genuinely might cap germany before i run out of equipment

ouuu never mind

[fair horizon]

ive killed more germans than i have core pop

[deep solstice]

yo WHAT is that 😭

top 5 Ahistorical runs I have EVER seen 😭

[fair horizon]

its a weird one