hoi4-general

[opal nymph]

If you want wacky ideologies, go play TFR

[safe wing]

Or Kaiserredux

[pearl shoal]

bro they don't have neo libertarian falangism

[pearl shoal]

neither do they

[honest glacier]

its just a game u chud

talking bout some neo libtardian falangism

[pearl shoal]

why are you guys so mean

[quasi osprey]

[fading cairn]

You're the weird one here

[wide osprey]

bruh

[copper sluice]

What mods do u guys recommend for france focus tree

[fading cairn]

Dont get me wrong, the dude shouldnt have called you a chud, but dude

[pearl shoal]

how????

[safe elbow]

Finally i managed the first time in my life to beat Axis and Soviet without Space Marines in Singleplayer Ironman as Romania

[fading cairn]

Stop whining that there is no neo libertarian falangism

[hollow raptor]

CAS jets by 1943

Non historical is such a blessing

[safe elbow]

i was historical and i did not had CAS only Fighters

[quasi osprey]

Hope this will be enough tanks

[fading cairn]

Template?

[surreal mist]

remove 1 horse

[quasi osprey]

probably absolutelly horrible

[surreal mist]

40 is too wide

[fading cairn]

Good job, but why would you use sm's in singleplayer

[fading cairn]

Brother

Why horses

[quasi osprey]

much more org

[fading cairn]

Mechanized works best with tanks

[fading cairn]

Org doesnt matter in a tank div

[safe elbow]

what is sm's

[fading cairn]

Space marines

[quasi osprey]

it does if you have 10 org you just get sniped anyway

[fading cairn]

You dont defend with tank divs, never

They are only meant for pushing

[safe elbow]

oh i mean people do it tto lower casualties

[quasi osprey]

but dont u need org for attacking too

[fading cairn]

Not if you have a shit load of soft attack

[quasi osprey]

oh ok

[safe elbow]

but i did it withtout it i was in manpower crisis probably 3-4 times but i managed to win

[quasi osprey]

I dont have mechanised for now so will motorised work?

[fading cairn]

Replace the horses with motorized (do not save the template yet) and show its stats

[surreal mist]

ok now show the cost difference

motorized is noob bait

[fading cairn]

Keep the horses until you get mechanized

[quasi osprey]

ok

[oak mantle]

uh guys i ran out of manpower by 1938 as soviet union is that bad

not ran out ran out but i had to raise conscription

i have 2.5 million men in the army

[opaque zinc]

Dude I’m washed

I used to be so good at the Spanish civil war

China ruined me

Playing China has broken me

[quasi osprey]

I wonder if this is enough anti air? IDK for what though

[opaque zinc]

It might

[oak mantle]

why are you building static aa

as germany

just build fighters

[opaque zinc]

Is Japan fun

[oak mantle]

it can be

battleplan china then try invade the usa after taking india malaysia australia etc

[quasi osprey]

I just noticed that something looks a bit.. wrong🤔

finally..

[pearl shoal]

it's based and christpilled

[silver moss]

achhtung!

[quasi osprey]

😕

https://tenor.com/view/hydrogen-bomb-vs-baby-gif-16389939655051520745

[pastel aspen]

has anyone actually dropped a nuke? is it worth all the wait?

[queen otter]

How to support attack and anschluss rush as germany

[vital cove]

no

[vital cove]

? what do you mean by support attack
to rush anchluss just put like 20 factories ok guns and spam out infantry divisions

[opaque zinc]

I was gonna do it as Canada but for some reason the uk just lost all their navy so now I have to defend the home isles

[pastel aspen]

no to which question

[opaque zinc]

Because Germany is gonna naval invade

Dude the uk ai is so dumb

[pastel aspen]

no as you never dropped a nuke or no as its not worth it

[vital cove]

the second one

it is not worth it

[opaque zinc]

Does give achievement though

So

[pastel aspen]

i mean it does take until like 1943 or smth

to even make one

[vital cove]

it's pretty useless

[opaque zinc]

I have to lock back in on Spain

And get the one king two crowns achievement

Because beating the uk isn’t that hard

Spain has a solid navy and portugals navy isn’t too bad

Combined you can get one good naval invasion and finish the uk

[queen otter]

Attack but a blue arrow instead of red

[opaque zinc]

Oh you also get the Dutch navy

What does seem impossible though is the Macau my day achievement

How the hell are you supposed to get that

I mean

If you can beat the British and get their navy

Then you win

Because you can beat Japan with the British navy

And from there China doesn’t seem too bad

[void canyon]

i got such a nice encirclement i had to share

[outer compass]

Why exactly does Poland own Königsburg sonion

[ripe slate]

Konightsburg what

[karmic wren]

is this normal im playing historical

[terse skiff]

Got my 7k attack stat and with full intel advantage + planning it would have been over 12k attack

[void canyon]

i think darth might've turned off historical without noticing

[karmic wren]

im 100 sure its historical

[void canyon]

well that's not normal

[oak mantle]

I love mass mob so much

[terse skiff]

what divisions are those?

[mystic bramble]

Hey, I have a question: is it possible as an Italian to build infantry for the Germans, an air force, and infantry for myself on the MSB?

[oak mantle]

positive logistics too

[void canyon]

an inf div with half the soft attack as my armor bro

[terse skiff]

do you have ncns?

[oak mantle]

yh

[terse skiff]

and that's large unit tactics?

[oak mantle]

yeah and it has 600 hp so if ur soviets u can just bash into everything and even tho ur attacking ur enemy takes more losses than u (in singleplayer at least)

[oak mantle]

yes

[vital cove]

now start stacking FA

[terse skiff]

hm you could get like maybe 550 soft attack with assault inf

but it's not bad

[vital cove]

to infinity

[oak mantle]

wrong or at least u were a couple patches back

i tested it out and large unit tactics give better stats over soft attack hp etc for infantry

its only good if ur planning on using mouintaineers or special forces

[terse skiff]

assault gives +30% soft attack on inf and large unit gives +20% soft attack

[oak mantle]

yeah

large unit tatics give a combat width reduction though which is a really big factor

to consider

[terse skiff]

oh yeah that's true

still pretty nice

did you build air?

[oak mantle]

so you can fit more battallions per 36 combat width

[oak mantle]

0 air

[void canyon]

jesus

[terse skiff]

wait then what are your 350 factories producing?

[oak mantle]

guns and spgs

[void canyon]

lmao

[terse skiff]

where are the spg units?

[oak mantle]

not using my spgs rn tho cause i wanna use them after i drain germanys manpower

[terse skiff]

you can put them now

[oak mantle]

they dont have enough equipment righ tnow

i forgot to make flame tanks so im losing like 10% more soft but its fine for right now

[terse skiff]

that's not enough mechs

[oak mantle]

it is

[terse skiff]

you should get 9/9s and maybe even 8 spg/10 mechs

[oak mantle]

mech is only important for hp and org

[terse skiff]

only 10 spg/8 mech if you have individual excellance

[oak mantle]

29 org is fine

[terse skiff]

211 hp is not fine

[oak mantle]

its borderline not enough but its fine

[oak mantle]

for a tank it is

also the spgs are dirt cheap

[terse skiff]

no?

[void canyon]

a 9 block of inf has more

[oak mantle]

ofc it does

[terse skiff]

that's not cheap

[oak mantle]

its infantry

its pretty cheap

[terse skiff]

no?

[oak mantle]

to my standards anyway

[terse skiff]

you can get 100 attack for 9 cost

[oak mantle]

im used to making heavy tds and theyre like 35 ic

[terse skiff]

then your heavy tds are also too expensive

[oak mantle]

ok?

[terse skiff]

but tbh in sp you play how you want

[winter fulcrum]

whats the latest version of hoi4?

[oak mantle]

show me ur td design then

also i only use tds in mp so yeah im gonna make them expensive

quality is much more important than quantity in this game once you pass a certain threshold of divisions cause of combat width

[terse skiff]

i mean that quantity is 120 divisions of them on the eastern front

and if you're in sp against high difficult ai you can try this

and if you're in sp against high difficult ai you can try this

[oak mantle]

is that supposed to be your td

if so then thats atrocious with the utmost respect

tds should have 80+ hard attack minimum

you can get it up to 100 hard attack

and if you do the maths 4x9 is 36 so if you get 100 hard attack for 35 ic and your tank is like better everywhere else in terms of stats

then you should prolly go for the more expensive option

[terse skiff]

yeah I realized I forgot to change guns and tank type

[oak mantle]

still 1.5x 23 is 34.5 and 1.5x 66 is 99

and the difference is its better in combat cause of combat width

[grave phoenix]

thats not fine, normal tank div should have 300-400 with individual excellence

[terse skiff]

this is without mios

[oak mantle]

which doctrine is indiviual excellence cause i dont see it

[grave phoenix]

its in inf subdoctrine

[oak mantle]

yeah i see it now

+5 hp per mech is all it gives

[grave phoenix]

and for logi support

its not all it gives

[terse skiff]

generally individual excellence is best for mech, assault infantry is best for infantry walls

[grave phoenix]

straight up best doctrine in inf for tanks

[viscid mason]

just add a third small cannon instead of ez maintainence

[oak mantle]

it gives +5 hp per mech batt lol

[grave phoenix]

yes and?

its the best by far

[oak mantle]

explain how

[terse skiff]

yeah and +5 hp on your division means you take 15% less damage

[grave phoenix]

are u delusional

like how can u make such bad takes

[terse skiff]

if you do actual divisions then you would receive only half damage compared to what you have

[oak mantle]

i mean 33 hp is what you get without individual excellence so +5 isnt gonna save the day is it clown the art

[terse skiff]

which is very important considering your spgs are 17 cost

[oak mantle]

thats not how hp works

hp only reduces the losses you take

[grave phoenix]

look at your tanks hp and then look at a ie tank div with 9 mech

9 mech IE is 360 HP

[terse skiff]

yes and having a 310 hp division over your 210 means you take half the damage because you have 50% more hp

[terse skiff]

without mios

[oak mantle]

yeah we're talking about the difference of 45 hp for 330 hp

[terse skiff]

this is if you are ussr which can get 1943 at tech before barb

[grave phoenix]

ez maintenance is good on sov

[oak mantle]

and as the soviets tell me when ur picking 375 hp for ur tanks over 330 hp for ur tanks and to waste ur inf doctrine on that

maybe as like germany

[grave phoenix]

what other inf doctrine would u take???

[oak mantle]

large unit

[grave phoenix]

this also applies on inf in general the 5% hp

[terse skiff]

that's 15% less damage

[grave phoenix]

u are shit

holy

[oak mantle]

LMAO

[grave phoenix]

its fine

[oak mantle]

whats bad about large unit tactics then

never knew this guy was the upcoming world champ of hoi4

[grave phoenix]

its a waste for small inf

[oak mantle]

holy shit im actually so blessed to be around you rn

[grave phoenix]

I am tho

[terse skiff]

it's just not as good for 18w divisions

[void canyon]

you cant be tho

[grave phoenix]

like upcoming cc winner

[grave phoenix]

truke

[oak mantle]

wow!!!!!

[grave phoenix]

ik ik

right

[oak mantle]

can i get an autograph?

[void canyon]

has a gf

[grave phoenix]

nah

[oak mantle]

im the upcoming champ too

[void canyon]

cant be world champ

[grave phoenix]

true

[oak mantle]

thats lovely

[terse skiff]

also idk why you're complaining about 15% less damage

[grave phoenix]

best fact so far

[grave phoenix]

bc hes a moron

he needs the large unit tactics for his 16w inf

big

[oak mantle]

take birth control dude youre super emotional

you cant handle these periods

[grave phoenix]

its fine bro ur so good at the game

[oak mantle]

16w inf says who

[oak mantle]

appreciate it dude

[grave phoenix]

yeah bro make 36w into perma reinforce meme

I mean its fine if u play vs ai

or some bad ai mod actually

sure

[oak mantle]

whats ur sov build then i need to copy it since ur the world champ

[grave phoenix]

but play any lobby with an axis that has brain and ur one shot

[oak mantle]

dude facts and youre like invincible

[grave phoenix]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hgaIttaRMXz5Qo6WYsGJqOCAle5ul4-XyXRFWHr2pos/edit?usp=drivesdk

it’s optimized for hmm

not vanilla

but here u go if u ever play hmm

[oak mantle]

yeah so thats prolly why ur crying abt individual excellence and anything else

[grave phoenix]

it is the best tank doctrine for inf sub doc tho

large unit isn’t bad on a inf focused build sure

but if ur going a tank build and doing large unit for ur inf on sov = one shot

[oak mantle]

yeah i dont get why u would sacrifice ur inf doctrine for 15% more hp on ur tanks

[grave phoenix]

because u don’t need the buff on ur inf

its a nothing burger the more stats

[oak mantle]

if i had to take a guess id say you probably quite like tanks

[grave phoenix]

the stats u get more on ur inf from large unit don’t matter, ur inf wont click, wont hold out much longer nd wont win u the game

[grave phoenix]

no I liked old mm sov a lot more

I would love to have it back

[terse skiff]

If you main tanks in your build like in mp then idk why you would take 30% more soft attack on inf (against enemy's tanks that's 2% more damage) or 15% less damage on your tank divs

[grave phoenix]

its totally fine against ai or sheeps or whatever don’t get me wrong

but its just not the best option or the smartest

[oak mantle]

ive not played serious mp since pre ncns

[grave phoenix]

thats fair then

[storm sentinel]

yo guys tell me a good defensive division im playing finland

[terse skiff]

18w inf + support art + support aa

it sucks

don't make it

it's just inf + one armored battalion

at that point just make 36w inf + spg divisions

[brittle laurel]

when does Anglo-American rework come

[terse skiff]

likely soon

usa, uk, and france need a rework and that's it for the major content

[brittle laurel]

I really hope britain + commonwealth are included

such a fun country but stale focus tree

[terse skiff]

still better than France's 70 day focus to reduce your stab by 10

[brittle laurel]

Yes

Although I like that there’s so much to do in the french focus tree

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-professor-farnsworth-professor-farnsworth-bender-gif-25198969

jokes aside probably at the end of the year

because NCNS and GDR both the last two major DLC's were at the end of the last two years

[terse skiff]

yeah but both intorduced new mechanics

seems like new mechanics for this year is in toag

but there might be other plans for the big dlc

[safe wing]

we shall see

[vivid juniper]

They seriously need to Nerf Qing China

[opaque zinc]

Ok I haven’t lost my touch

I did carlist Spain in 1938

Not bad

[split bane]

Hopefully it'll be annouced for the tenth anniversery of the game + 82nd anniversery of D Day since USA, UK, and Canada were the big three at D Day

Idk this might be cope tho

But, if they do put them in one big expansion pass, I wonder if Canada will be put in a USA centred DLC or a UK centred one

And obviously PDX doesn't want a DLC that's just updating old trees ahem NCNS ahem so they need to add someone who has something new to add

[winter fulcrum]

is this the right version of hoi4?

[split bane]

I believe so yes

[light goblet]

MF NO!!!!!!!! WHAT THE HELL!!!!!!

anything for that curacao oil

[pulsar drift]

Hey, I'm new and I'm having some issues

One of them is some guy told me to get support weapons in my research

But I just can't find it

[light goblet]

what

[pulsar drift]

Idk

[light goblet]

support companies or what

[pulsar drift]

"Support Weapons Upgrade"

I don't even know what that means

[light goblet]

isnt that at the top of your infantry research

[pulsar drift]

Browsed wiki and icon seems similar to this

But the name's different ingame unless I'm missing something

[terse skiff]

you should research support equipment in the support tab if you haven't once you can produce enough guns for technological backwater nations but the first row of the infantry tech is just trash tech that are useless

[light goblet]

yes the name is just different

for different countries

[pulsar drift]

Oh

I get it, ty

[light goblet]

are you playing japan

[pulsar drift]

Yes

[safe wing]

https://youtu.be/xPqVg6Tkdok?si=WlsTB6TpdphiqinT if it’s a d day themed dlc then I’m gonna blast this song and primo Victoria

[light goblet]

🤔 isnt japan a pretty hard major if youre new

[pulsar drift]

I have no idea

[light goblet]

yeah even china and the warlords can be difficult because of the sheer size of their population

[pulsar drift]

Well then going past that war might take a few tries

But coming from different GS games hoi land warfare can't be that hard

Navy and Air might be a different story

[cobalt rock]

Why did my game explode as soon as I went monarch? lowk wanted to try to have fun with going back to medieval and now there is a hyperpower congolomerate in Europe..

[safe wing]

Bruh

[split bane]

Average "historical" game when you do literally anything a historical

[cobalt rock]

no ong bro

slightly touched the game and it exploded

[light goblet]

which is also an issue because

japan is centered around the navy

[pulsar drift]

Heh

Let's see what happens

[cobalt rock]

I find it pretty hard

im not the best and lowk I avoid it

I cannot figure out navy at all

[light goblet]

ive always thought of the navy as
"if you have more ships you win"

[copper sluice]

Idk I just put it on the sea and kill everything

[lapis onyx]

Nah try javing me where theres a 4 way war in europe and me as russia is just watching with popcorn until both germany and japan start justifying and im like

WHAT DID I DO?

[cobalt rock]

idk what boats to make

[lapis onyx]

B o a t

[copper sluice]

With Japan I don't make any

[cobalt rock]

I have never had japan fight me as soviet

I always de escalate then go have border gore in Europe

[lapis onyx]

Im tsar russia atm

[cobalt rock]

OMG I LOVE PLAYING TSAR

[lapis onyx]

And i have non agression with them

[copper sluice]

And if I am playing sth else I prob don't actually need the navy and I just build cool stuff

[cobalt rock]

I had a crazy Tsar game right bf the japan update and it broke my save I was so sad

had like 15 hours in that one save

[lapis onyx]

Yet somehow they can just

[cobalt rock]

fr

[lapis onyx]

Justify

So now im just popping off the naval output bonus

[cobalt rock]

focus trees I assume

[lapis onyx]

I checked

[copper sluice]

There are like 5 total nations in the game who can afford a navy anyway so who cares

[cobalt rock]

ok so

[lapis onyx]

They were doing strike the south

According to my decrypt

[copper sluice]

(Japan is barely one of them)

[lapis onyx]

F o o l

Anyone can navy

[copper sluice]

Yea have fun spending 20 steel on 1 destroyer

[light goblet]

the uruguay grind 💪💪💪💪💪

[cobalt rock]

in the comintern there is now:

Soviet
Poland
Czech
France
Ethiopia
Lithuania
Latvia
Eastonia
Mongolia
Tannu Tuva
Syria
Lebanon

[lapis onyx]

Thermonuclear bombs

Wipe that save from the face of the earth

[copper sluice]

I installed a france mod and aside from the turbo broken economy it was actually pretty good

Shows just how little the current tree actually needs to be fun

[copper sluice]

For some reason they gave me 13 extra starting mils

[lapis onyx]

I still miss hirohito

[light goblet]

gabriel terra: uruguay more like urugay haha
legalizes homosexuality

[lapis onyx]

Being the default on japan

I wish the japanese flag changed properlaly when in war

Ie to the rising sun flag

And the leader became hirohito

To empathize how japan workedninstead of...

Ya know

[fickle thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/this-might-be-the-worst-video-of-all-time-worst-message-worst-ever-leave-the-server-worst-gif-16690123984473040756

[light goblet]

sorry

[terse skiff]

Not worth it since there are laws on WW2 era Japanese flags. Same reason HOI4 germany flag is the iron cross flag and not the swatsika

[fickle thicket]

just warnin ya but the message i responded to breaks rule 4 (i think) or rule 2

[safe wing]

We should have had lore accurate Hirohito

[fickle thicket]

peak

[light goblet]

noo my stupid joke about gabriel terra 😢😢😢

[safe wing]

His strongest general who heard the USA was pretty strong

[fickle thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-laugh-ai-baby-babyfryingme-baby-sob-folk-gif-18221933230434867320

[safe wing]

USA dropped the atomic bomb to give goku cancer

[fickle thicket]

lol

[safe wing]

Because what’s Goku without his hair

[fickle thicket]

just go

[safe wing]

Did you know all WWII leader pictures were photoshopped this is what they looked like irl

[fickle thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

[safe wing]

Yes I know it’s a dumb joke

[split bane]

https://tenor.com/view/daftpunk-dj-techno-gif-4849592

[light goblet]

how do you make divisions that can figjt in south america

its all jungle

[safe wing]

Paradox had to change Stalin because they would have been sued by Nintendo

True story

[split bane]

Rangers (the like... forest special forces) could be useful
And building more supply in the Amazon

[light goblet]

thank goodness uruguay can make brazil and argentina white peace 🙏🙏🙏

[fading cairn]

Ehat

What

[safe wing]

@fading cairn here

[fading cairn]

😭

[safe wing]

Real fact the official hoi4 YouTube channel uploaded this video https://youtube.com/shorts/2pB49M6Vfis?si=DeBmjL7yAKzUBLU4

[fading cairn]

How did they not get sued yet

[elder lichen]

Benito Meowsullini

[safe wing]

If it they do that means it’s canon

[fading cairn]

Iosif dzhugashvili

[safe wing]

Adam Hilt

[fading cairn]

Its so funny when the soviets seize to exist, and stalin becomes the leader of georgia

Just under his georgian name

[safe wing]

And he shaves his mustache

[fading cairn]

Joe steele

[safe wing]

Iosif dzhugashvili if Adam hilt exists

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/legendary-battle-worthy-opponent-finally-a-worthy-opponent-our-battle-will-be-legendary-gif-14616660

[fading cairn]

Who is adam hilt

I only know señor hilter

[safe wing]

Hitler if America goes fascist and Germany has rallied the Wehrmacht

[fading cairn]

One mod literally adds a way to get hitler as a ukrainian leader

[safe wing]

And I forgot they added this guy in Gotterdamerung

For Austria too no less

[fading cairn]

Lol

[safe wing]

And the most schizo one Adolfus Kommenos for the Byzantine Empire

[marble patio]

how people saying this achievement is all luck bro

it's genuinely so easy you just win the civil war and take the focus tree the right way

[fading cairn]

Where is baldy mussolini for roman empire

[marble patio]

you dont even gotta boost party popularity or nothing

[fading cairn]

Its too easy

[marble patio]

the civil war is litteraly the only hard part but every guide I watched had you do some bs to win it and then be like "yeahhh might take u a couple tries its very luck based"

and it's litteraly not its so easy 🥹

i didnt see it till now

[fading cairn]

Its not even hard

[marble patio]

it is if ur not good at doing civil wars

which i'm not but I locked in today

[fading cairn]

Just ignore ostpreussen and use your airforce

[marble patio]

true

[safe wing]

Which civil war

Oh the German one

That one is easy

Communist USA and German civil wars are painfully easy

You can legit battleplan the first one and win

[fading cairn]

German Militärregierung by default has an airforce superior to that of nazis

[marble patio]

guys you forget I am a smoothebrain newgen

i got this game in december

😭

i dont know half the words you are saying

[fading cairn]

I only got it in 2023 im a newgen

[marble patio]

i didnt even know what ironman was until 3 months after I bought the game

no lie

I didnt know why I wasn't getting achievements

its legit why I joined this server

[lapis onyx]

It wasnt like that before? I live in the us ie free from censor land in japan or germany but seriously it wasnt a problem japan wise and the flags still in game you just have to go full monarchy iirc

[marble patio]

"free from censor land"

does bro know about palantir

[fading cairn]

Usa and free from censor land un one sentence

[fickle thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/this-might-be-the-worst-video-of-all-time-worst-message-worst-ever-leave-the-server-worst-gif-16690123984473040756

[fading cairn]

Anyways, japan never officially used the rising sun flag

[marble patio]

definitley a contender for worst one in this server

[marble patio]

they should have bro it's genuinely so iconic

[fading cairn]

Truthbomb

The iron cross of germany is the navy flag i believe

[marble patio]

its crazy to me how many americans dont know that the confederate battle flag and flag of the CSA are two different things

[safe wing]

Fun fact the Roman’s never used the flag ingame

[marble patio]

romans never used any flag

they just had war banners

[safe wing]

Exactly

[fickle thicket]

nope

[safe wing]

Same with the Byzantines

[marble patio]

will not stop me from buying an spqr one though lol

[safe wing]

Same

[lapis onyx]

Yes im free from people who spam air and the other who are the absolute most ANNOYING SHITS to talk to

[marble patio]

there are two kinds of vexiologists: the ones who care about integrity and the ones who care about integrity but like oh my god its so tuff look at it im gonna hang that on my wall

[marble patio]

is this guy twelve

[fading cairn]

Ok yeah i just checked

[lapis onyx]

Looking further into it the rising sun flag was the battle standard and the flag did indeed swap whenever japan went to war

[lapis onyx]

28 are you?

[marble patio]

say wallahi bro

[fading cairn]

I can buy the iron cross flag online

[lapis onyx]

Just gonna block

[marble patio]

your loss ig

https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-sir-the-boys-butcher-the-boys-season-5-the-boys-butcher-gif-2382474800099612090

[lapis onyx]

Ew canadian

No wonder

[marble patio]

bro is american saying this by the way

[light goblet]

wow

[lapis onyx]

Probably comitted 30 warcrimes

[light goblet]

north american conflict

[lapis onyx]

Not even american

[marble patio]

your president is several words i cannot say in this chat

[lapis onyx]

Lol

[marble patio]

despite that everyone here knows what they are

and despite that he has not been empeached

[lapis onyx]

Saidbi was free from censor land

[light goblet]

president is part of the brown party

[marble patio]

so what does that say about your country

[lapis onyx]

Bro automatically thought usa

[atomic grove]

what

[safe wing]

I’m going to bed

[marble patio]

w-what

you said you live in america

[safe wing]

GN chat

[light goblet]

dude uruguay and paraguay reminds me of that

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-sleep-gif-12073235593935901891

[light goblet]

detroit and canada bear image

[fading cairn]

Ew xenophobe

[marble patio]

detroit is like our bastard son we love detroit

people from michigan are nice good state

we go there to buy cars

[light goblet]

awesome

[marble patio]

vermont is litteraly just quebec bro not gonna lie

[fading cairn]

The only nation worth to be shitted on is russia

[marble patio]

they're all french and they consume and produce maple syurup tenfold

[marble patio]

and israel

[fading cairn]

At least its government for now

[marble patio]

russia will collapse again in 10 years so it doesnt really matter

[fading cairn]

Ehhh, i'd rather not step this far for now

[marble patio]

mark my words the federation will not see the end of the 2030s

[fading cairn]

Nothing ever happens

[marble patio]

its the afghan war all over again ukraine is draining their resources

[safe wing]

And it will stitch itself back together like in 1922

Unfortunately

[marble patio]

mhm

endless cycle

russia is doomed to collapse and reform

slowly losing more and more of itself

until there is nothing left but snow and ice

[fading cairn]

We just took back a village that took the russians 4 years to conquer

They fought over a village

For 4 years

[light goblet]

i wouldnt know i live in vietnam

[marble patio]

lowkey i dont say it enough but I am overjoyed that ukraine is still alive

[fading cairn]

2nd world army

[marble patio]

every day I get up with a big smile on my face as I think about zelensky and his funny planes

[safe wing]

Wait a minute the exact same thing happened to Iran a dozen times from the 4th century bc - 1700s

[fading cairn]

Well, i am too. I am a ukrainian

[marble patio]

you will win the war bro dont worry

you dont need the EU or NATO you are fighting against cold war leftovers

[fading cairn]

I might be forced to move in the foreseeable future

[safe wing]

Is it fair to compare the war to the 1940 winter war or is that too nice

[marble patio]

🇨🇦 🤝 🇺🇦

[marble patio]

way too nice bro

at least russia had a chance of winning that one

[fading cairn]

Wayyy to nice

[marble patio]

they just didnt consider that the finns would be high on meth lol

[light goblet]

probably more akin to the russian japanese war

[marble patio]

yes this would be very accurate description

[fading cairn]

Funny finnish sniper

[marble patio]

russia starts a supposedly easy war for support of the people

[safe wing]

Okay that’s a better one

[fading cairn]

No wonder he is the white death

[marble patio]

loses horrifically

revolution comes

[fading cairn]

Canada is unironically home to a large ukrainian community since the 20th century

[safe wing]

You can play as Ukraine (Kievan Rus)in the Medival II mod JLMP kingdoms

It’s hard though because of the mongols

Anyways I’m about to fall asleep

[marble patio]

yea a lot of my friends are of ukranian descent

I remember in 5th grade we did ukranian easter eggs at school it was pretty neat

[safe wing]

I have several Ukrainian friends on this server

[fading cairn]

You can play poland as a russian cossack that was born in georgia and died in new york

[marble patio]

italy rejected the revolution 😭

wait

where the hell is austria??

[fading cairn]

Nonexistent

Anschluss 2.0

[marble patio]

fr

[fading cairn]

New and improved

[prime crow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1270717419769303040/1446541917725790360/empty-shop-pulp-fiction.gif

[marble patio]

leave it to austria to get involved in a foreign conflict and then put down like a dog

[grizzled zenith]

I encircled their whole army lmao

[marble patio]

this might be the worst screenshot i've ever seen in this whole game

I dont even want to know the context

[fading cairn]

My last poland game was so peak, i got all of germany as a puppet, restored pre-partition PLC and owned all of ukraine, most of european russia and the caucasus

[marble patio]

this is horrible what lead to this

[grizzled zenith]

I'm plating Kaiserredux

[fading cairn]

80 divs damn

[light goblet]

romanov poland so tuff

[grizzled zenith]

That's just a normal Kaiserredux game, Transamur formed Vostochnoslavia and I formed the Russian Empire as Ukraine

[marble patio]

my favourite run to do is form benelux and then annex the DEI so i can form a like mini dutch empire

[marble patio]

what the hell is vostochnoslavia

[fading cairn]

Bermontians even better holy larp

[grizzled zenith]

That's Czechoslovak Legion coring Russia pretty much

[light goblet]

noo i dont live cavalry

like

[marble patio]

jesus christ bro kaisseredux is hell

[light goblet]

i mean

[plucky sparrow]

how do I stop ai from making space marine templates

[grizzled zenith]

Nah, it's my favourite mod

[fading cairn]

Who says you have to use cavalry

[plucky sparrow]

I keep getting destroyed

[fading cairn]

I used tanks

[marble patio]

thats the neat part

you dont

[plucky sparrow]

So I'm just permanently screwed on my run?

[marble patio]

lowkey idk the context

[fading cairn]

Germany > go democrat > larp europe > humiliate my friend by capitulating him in 1 day

[marble patio]

im just typing shi

[quaint moon]

no space marines the AI makes should be particularily strong

[marble patio]

real ones know the goated germany strat

justify france then purposefully lose

[fading cairn]

Spam paratroopers

[quaint moon]

it's entirely possible that sup AT can pierce them

[marble patio]

democracy is instated but you can still do the fascist tree

[marble patio]

or this lol

[atomic grove]

i dont think u can

[quaint moon]

you can

[atomic grove]

anschluss is locked behind being fascist

[marble patio]

im pretttyyyy sure u can

[fading cairn]

You can

[atomic grove]

the last time i tried it the actual fascist tree was locked behind having to be fascist

[grizzled zenith]

That's the event of me forming the Russian Empire

[fading cairn]

SKOROPADSKYI???

[grizzled zenith]

Yes

I made him the Tsar

[fading cairn]

HETMAN OF ALL UKRAINE? THE LAST HETMAN?

Holy larp

[grizzled zenith]

Yes lol

But it's based

[fading cairn]

Yes

[marble patio]

wait

how is it 1939

oh im stupid

nevermind

[fading cairn]

Ok i got 0 sleep this night

[marble patio]

kaiser is ww1 not ww2

TNO is ww2

🤪

[fading cairn]

Post ww2

[quaint moon]

TNO is post ww2

[marble patio]

yeah but

I mean like

[fading cairn]

TWR is post ww2 too

[marble patio]

its the universe where germany wins ww2

[grizzled zenith]

Kaiserredux is WW2 but Germany won WW1

[marble patio]

and kaiser is where they win ww1

[marble patio]

yes bro I know...

u guys misunderstood....

[fading cairn]

Zero

[marble patio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/874311070473392138/1505240106024570971/attachment.gif

[fading cairn]

A shining example of european democracy

Deport hungarians

[grizzled zenith]

Yeah, I just noticed it's 2am lol

[marble patio]

for context I had just come back from war in indochina and my troops were exhausted but I didnt want d-day to fail so I forced them to murder several thousand bulgarians and slovakians

[fading cairn]

4:21 am

[viscid mason]

Playing Expert Ai, in my experience, sending volunteers to spain and japan felt easy. But for fighting poland and france, I could defeat poland but it took a bit too long espically as france could put up a fight. And even tho I felt like I could defeat the french, it would be a pryillic victory of attrition for the german army. If anyone is interested in my save to see what went wrong please let me know.

[grizzled zenith]

Everything in my faction except Germany, Poland, Finland, Belgium, Czechia, Belarus and the Batics are my puppets and once I finish with some minors which were left from the Entente collapsing I'll bertray Germany and take it out

But I'll finish that tomorrow

[quaint moon]

send a screenshot

[viscid mason]

I mean I could win the battle of France but it would be too long and decided not to continue the game. France has completed the focus that they would continue the fight even if paris is taken.

[marble patio]

how did this kid get canada bro

[quaint moon]

start with consolidating your units

you have waaay too many divs

[grizzled zenith]

Naval invasion using the navy I stole from France

[quaint moon]

you should have 5 armies max

[marble patio]

cooked

[quaint moon]

have one sit still on the maginot france and set 3-4 a line w/ the rest of france

[grizzled zenith]

Thanks

[quaint moon]

all of your divisions are at like 50% fighting strength, probably both from manpower and eq

then let your divs get planning before battleplanning

even if they got rid of disjointed government you can definitely still make it work

you seem to have DLCs, do you have no step back?

[viscid mason]

yes I do but i barely made any tanks

[quaint moon]

it's not too late to

you can probably beat france with what you have now but having good tanks will really help with the ussr

[solemn hinge]

Could someone recommend me a country path im bored

[blazing river]

empress japan

[solemn hinge]

I did a japan run yesterday

[slim idol]

Since when do you have red circles as GERMANY against FRANCE

[blazing river]

okay do romanov poland

[solemn hinge]

Ok

[viscid mason]

playing expert ai, in this mod france isn't incompetent

[slim idol]

France is impossible to have red circles against

You've done something less likely than surviving a black hole

[viscid mason]

some do turn green later it's jsut red in that screenshot

trying this again from the netherlands to france but with Hedge advice

[slim idol]

The whole front😭

Are you inf pushing

Goddamn my lag is so bad

I sent that like 20 seconds ago

[viscid mason]

yes also i realized i had a surplus of planes i didn't deploy oops

[slim idol]

Average 700 hr player mistake

[echo barn]

i drove a sherman today

lowkey top tier life experience

[prisma steppe]

is valheim one of those games where the settings for difficulty are reversed?

[tawdry tree]

Its 1944, me as Iran is doing well with the axis, pushed thr Allies out of the middle east and puppeted the caucasian countries and turkmenistan but germany is failing so hard on the western front

What do i do now

Nearly capped british india

[green magnet]

finish off india and help the germans

[tawdry tree]

Well counting or not counting lybia

[green magnet]

if you can get there

[tawdry tree]

The front is kinda consolidated in egypt

I got suez

But i might have dedicated too much troops in south egypt

Should I ease that troops elsewhere

[green magnet]

what does Egypt look like?

[quaint moon]

just hold in the egyptian mountains, no real point in pushing into sudan

[tawdry tree]

Sudanese border atm

I dont have a map rn i can draw it i think

[tawdry tree]

The white are axis borders

I got 12 divs on the sudanese-egyptian front

Where should i redirect it? Belarus?

[quaint moon]

they still need to be there so you don't get pushed out

finish off india and relocate them probably

[tawdry tree]

Japan losing horribly

Thailand capped

How much troops should i get to garrison india

I got 32 divs there

[viscid mason]

Okay I managed to cap france (kind of). I don't know how hard sealion would be in expert ai tho

[quaint moon]

expert difficult doesn't actually change all that much

it just gives you some worse stats and them some better stats, the AI is just as dumb

if you can get supremacya nd you have mariness you can probably sealion

if you do successfully cap the UK before the US joins the war then you've already won

[green magnet]

they cant handle me

[tawdry tree]

Again where should I defend in india(given all the port garrisoned)

Like bangladeshi area?

[pulsar drift]

Is there any UI mod that helps with making the screen feel less bloated?

Probs making windows smaller

[quaint moon]

if you can make it then i'd say burma

burma has a ton of tungsten and a good mountain line

ideally you take everything, though

[tawdry tree]

Im iran i have equipment problems🫩

[quaint moon]

you should get more IE after capping raj

[tawdry tree]

IE?

Yeah 3k

[quaint moon]

infantry equipment

[tawdry tree]

3k others and 7k infantry eq

Im 10k deficit this is so chill

[quaint moon]

just hold in the mountains or if you can push into burma, then

[storm escarp]

Yeah get them CANADA

[viscid mason]

after some attempts finally i managed to defeat UK at around April of 1941. Took a few attempts but yeah I think I still have a long road of improvement. Thanks for the help + morale booster.

[quaint moon]

nice, gj

[brittle laurel]

[oak mantle]

Which country did you start playing to form that?

Do you not have to be like democratic

[brittle laurel]

I remember 1st time I attempted sealion i lost my entire professional army

[storm escarp]

No, it's for all the alt hist germany paths

[oak mantle]

Ah okay

[brittle laurel]

100 divisions 💀

[storm escarp]

I just went fascist with strasser

[oak mantle]

Ahhh i didnt even see the generals

How do you get strasser

[storm escarp]

You finish the civil war > Hang the nazis > Hire strasser > Hold referrendum with fascism on the rise > Use the european confederation focus to then get the descision to form the country

[pulsar drift]

Is it bugged?

[oak mantle]

Thanks

[storm escarp]

No problem

[woeful knoll]

full cores on europe... 0 manpower

what do ur casualties look like bro

[storm escarp]

Oh also I don't know for sure but I hear you have to do the monarchist path because apparently strasser isn't available with democracy or so I've heard

[storm escarp]

I'm just training a lot of divisions just in case

[stoic pendant]

good encirclement?

[woeful knoll]

bro ru divs arent getting reinforced

[storm escarp]

Nah it's good now

I got 153k

[woeful knoll]

nice

[storm escarp]

In reserve

[woeful knoll]

People call anything an encirclement

this is a surrounded

not encirclement

[stoic pendant]

oh

[terse skiff]

it is an encirclement. You just need to close the pocket

[obsidian sigil]

my question is that is that border gore

is that fractured germany

what are half the countries in those divisions

is that azerbijan/romani?

like wtf

[deep solstice]

Does anyone use medium or heavy airframes? Serious question

Ive never gotten any use of them besides wasting 30 mils for mediocre production

[cobalt rock]

yes

my heart goes out to strat bombers bro

[deep solstice]

I be running out of rubber and shit before I even START making them 😭

Did a USA run w my friend earlier

And for just medium airframes, and light

(~60 mils)

The rubber was KILLING me

[cobalt rock]

play UK for strat bombers

only way to do it

[deep solstice]

Your probably right tbh

[cobalt rock]

also just me or does HOI IV have a 60% crash rate upon opening

[quaint moon]

the US usually builds heavy fighters

[deep solstice]

Uh oh

[quaint moon]

the meta for naval bombers is also heavy fighters

[cobalt rock]

like its fine when im in but half the time I crash when I open

[deep solstice]

Damn

I honestly just find it taxing to make them

[quaint moon]

tacs/strats are also needed to actually bomb stuff so those are def used as well

[quaint moon]

it is

[cobalt rock]

fr

[quaint moon]

usually only the US/UK builds tags/strats/hfs because they have aluminium

though italy and germany technically build HF's sometimes but they aren't actually heavy fighters and function as navs

[deep solstice]

I usually js use fighters, and put the 30+ mils from bigger planes -> Tanks and Mech

(Lights)

[quaint moon]

axis doesn't usually build w/ medium or large airframes

other than for navs as i said

[deep solstice]

Its hard enough to make light as Axis

Straight zero rubber

[quaint moon]

germany can get a ton of rubber

because of its focus tree

[cobalt rock]

so like how did this come to be

[deep solstice]

Whole economy based off Synth Refineries

[quaint moon]

it has the best refineries in the game

[deep solstice]

How so?

[quaint moon]

they have a focus that gives refs +2 rubber

and can get +20% ref construction speed

[deep solstice]

Oh yeah your right

[quaint moon]

• there's a dam in the rhineland

actually that in particular doesnt matter much

but still

the construction projects also give u good construction speed

[deep solstice]

I usually just hate constructioning refineries cuz im lazy

[quaint moon]

other axis powers have it a bit more rough because germany goes on autarky and exports very little

[deep solstice]

Although as Germany, unlike the US, you dont really run out of building space

So refineries aren't in the way usually

[deep solstice]

I was down 60 mils on imports of rubber earlier as the US and it was honestly somewhat embarassing

[quaint moon]

you shouldn't build refineries on the US anyways

you have enough civs that you can tank the imports

and if your playing ahist then just take the rubber

[deep solstice]

Yeah its not like you can really do much else

Building wise

Usually by 1942 im just building shit for fun since I cant

Coastal Forts in Taiwan

[fair horizon]

i mean you have the best economy in the world you can deal with making some refineries

[pliant ginkgo]

It’s amazing 🤩

Risorgimento has been completed (for the second time in Italian history now)

[fickle thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/this-might-be-the-worst-video-of-all-time-worst-message-worst-ever-leave-the-server-worst-gif-16690123984473040756

[misty fossil]

Apparently its better for the us to build heavy fighters since they have the 300% medium airframe research

and NAA mio

[quaint moon]

yes

though tbh, at least in my experience, the 300% bonus isn't that great because you're still years off of survivability studies + hmg

though it does still help you to outtrade

[misty fossil]

Well technically you can produce empty airframes then convert later

Also helps with grinding mio

and you can do ahead of time for the other modules

and as the us you can go full ham on air research to rush supersonic air

[devout barn]

how

[fair horizon]

you convert later

[north merlin]

is it js me or is the etheopian war lowk kinda hard, it usually take me a few months to conquer them using italy, don't know why they are so stubborn

[fair horizon]

not really

you're probably just doing something wrong thats easy to fix

like are you using cas?

mountaineers?

too many divs in a no supply zone?

[north merlin]

yes

[north merlin]

yes as well

[north merlin]

uhhhh maybe...

[warped crescent]

w game

[fair horizon]

also if you can get encirclements at the start they fall over

[north merlin]

i feel like it's js taht the divs i have are js bad

[north merlin]

how? i takes me like 2 weeks to push a tile bro

[fair horizon]

yeah most of the italy divs are bad

[fair horizon]

make sure they have supply and equipment and also make sure you have fuel for the planes

rush better guns

[north merlin]

so i build supply hub? that takes a long long time no>

[fair horizon]

use the mountaineers to attack single divs and surround them

no dont build supply hubs

take theirs

[ivory plume]

Turkey had neutrality focus, facist pressure decision and 2 operatives boosting facism. 1% democratic, STILL JOINED ALLIES HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[north merlin]

oh, ok

[fair horizon]

ethopia has like zero equipment and manpower so you win eventually

also dont forget theres two fronts

[north merlin]

"eventually" ;-; i always get the "war in etheopia drags" on or smth like that

[north merlin]

yeah i push from both sides, but their terrain is easy to defend

and italy's divisions are js useless like what are those ._.

[fair horizon]

it is mountains yes

thats where the cas comes in play

[north merlin]

oh

yeah my problem is js taht they attack, and then lose org and js gain them back too slowly and it js drives me crazy

[next swan]

@topaz ruin u give up?

why server js shut down?

[pine wolf]

japan oppression

🙁

[next swan]

@topaz ruin Japan Mains Matter

[pine wolf]

so true

siam rules the waves

[digital aurora]

ah just realized why i keep struggling to keep up with tank production in HOI4, i wasn't using the correct tank designs, instead i was using just the stock ones they give you

[fair horizon]

so somehow 6 subs have in me saving and loading my game caused my war support to plummet

while also having zero capability to attack where they are

[potent quartz]

hmm i wonder where bulgaria artillery goes..

[untold cove]

literally how ottoman empire joined ww1

[potent quartz]

lmfao bulgar fisherman went to fish into turkish waters

XD

[untold cove]

oh no, that artillery shell just hit the russian dockyards

[fair horizon]

why are subs impossible to counter in the beta

this honestly seems bugged

[fair horizon]

i think its counting london being bombed as if its my land being bombed...

and im australia

LITERALLY ALL OF MY OWNED/CONTROLLED LAND IS GREEN AIR

There is nothing being bombed

[heavy vigil]

land based fleet let me find the ASW image where it was iw navs + RADAR vs thousands of ai subs

here

@fair horizon check second reply out

final image

[bleak kiln]

hoi4 genuinely might be stupid when it comes to doing achievements, twice now i was really close to getting an achievement and then the nest day i load it up and it just crashes i have storage i have no internet problems it just does it consistently which makes the game think i turned on cheats and i lose all my progress

[fair horizon]

other than land radar thats what ive been using and it cannot find subs

also no clue why the escort carrier doesnt show sub detection

im completely reliant on land based planes just magically killing them

[mild flame]

am i clutching ts 🙏

[ember vine]

Who's up for a USA update

[fair horizon]

australian airforce 💪

[lethal ether]

what mod

how do u even end up in a situation like that

[mild flame]

all cuz austria refused anschluss yo ✌️

also its the agora mod (regular difficulty)

[lethal ether]

never heard of it

[steel idol]

any1 balkan?

[dusty adder]

Me

[steel idol]

what countr

?

[dusty adder]

Slovenia

[steel idol]

can u speak croatian?

[dusty adder]

Neki mal

[steel idol]

dsm

dms

[cold mist]

you got this

[ocean stone]

believe in yourself

[whole matrix]

No

[random sinew]

yall know a navy tutorial post no compromise nosurrender

[fair horizon]

chat i now know what japan feels like

this is awful

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Any tips to beat Germany as Italy?

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kill france first

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guys is the game bugged or broken rn?

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or if you have good mountaineer divs u can just go through the alps if u want

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I now I can kill the French and the uk in like 1937 1938

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but i wouldnt do that

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??

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u js need to get france and the benelux

or just france luxembourg and belgium

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With a dlc it more Easy cus the Belgium's guaranty the French

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the guarantee eventually goes away though

via a focus

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I can just get the French UK and then kill them just it's a pain in the a

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The dont for me I don't have that dlc

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my units cant hold a damn frontline

they leave dumb gaps

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Template?

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Cus you don't have the units?

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set cohesion to highest one

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i think u need more divisions

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either that or u just dont have enough divs

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10 Tiles can't be hold by 8 units for example

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u can but it needs a ton of micro

if ur extremely pressed u can hold 3 tiles with 1 unit

but

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If the have 9 unit's or more you canr

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lottttaa micro

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i hate this war sm

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https://tenor.com/view/hoi4-micromanage-gif-20717885

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Why

It's Easy

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it takjes SOO long

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why the hell are u only battleplanning in the civil war

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You now how to kill them ?

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encircle bavaria

with tanks and trucks

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https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-disbelief-slap-gif-14729546

Bro use the tanks

Cut them in have then murder them

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idk if i got any left

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light tanks

use them

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i dont have any

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plus trucks

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what happened to them