hoi4-general

[vernal crescent]

these monkeys DO NOT die

somehow my navs can't do jack

[woeful knoll]

bro im so mad

why isnt there a aboriginal world ocnquest path for australia

or a monarchist path

bro

[broken plover]

Because the world is already full of cruel people

[lapis onyx]

Ya got a path you suggest?

[shell sorrel]

I liked democratic Italy

But all the paths I’ve done for it are good

[lapis onyx]

I dont wanna do thebroman path again

Thats for damn sure

[shell sorrel]

Haven’t done fascist opposition or communist tho

[lapis onyx]

My game..

It cried

Wasnt even in the axis

And i got dragged into the allies war

That game lasted until 1950.

Speaking of when does mussolini die in tnos lore?

[honest crescent]

Whats like the best space marine build for medium large nations if u just wanna spam it?

[lapis onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marines-to-battle-brother-warhammer-40k-join-me-let's-do-this-gif-10616374235641054765

[terse skiff]

the best space marine is no space marine

just build 36w inf or armor divisions

if you can't get mechs just build 9 spg/td 9 inf divisions

[honest crescent]

r spacemarines not meta anymore?

[terse skiff]

they never were?

[honest crescent]

wait i thought they were soo OP they had to be banned from MP

[terse skiff]

is it a mp room for noobs?

cuz space marines don't stand a chance in mp

[honest crescent]

idk i never do MP i just heard from YT

[terse skiff]

space marines are against ai with the intelligence of a toddler

and even against ai they're not good

[honest crescent]

sry i wasnt clear i was asking exclusively for single player

[terse skiff]

i already told you what to do if you want to mix armor and inf

it was actually "meta" in sp until individual excellence changed how logistics companies work

[wet flicker]

they used to be op but not as much anymore

[honest crescent]

i see

[lapis onyx]

I rush down agarian reform as historical poland ye?

[quartz loom]

yeah ngl 5 mins in and im completely lost bro, im jsut gonna wing it and see what happens

[half onyx]

Definitely watching this later

[quartz loom]

i dont have the attention span to get through that even at 2x speed

also it seems kinda advanced

[half onyx]

You should check out bittersteel for beginner friendly guides then

He really goes into the basics

[quartz loom]

might be better

[honest crescent]

im a SP low difficulty casaul🥺

[zenith imp]

manteuffel is kinda bad

btw

yall

[quartz loom]

what is mefo bills? should i renew that

[zenith imp]

i need help

magna europa mod isnt working

how do i fix the issue

[sudden grotto]

depends on your build and what oath u choose for economy

[vivid juniper]

big and long chile

[quartz loom]

.... what? im just doing normal germany

vanilla

[sudden grotto]

new player ?

[quartz loom]

yeah

should i renew or cancel? cancelling seems good

[sudden grotto]

i mean, for being the first game u can do as u want, but it will be very good for the mils

[quartz loom]

ok i know your supposed to switch to building those in 1938, is that right

[wet flicker]

do not drop the mefo bills

you need to get autarky achieved

once you get that you won't have the bad mefo bills or economy of conquest debuffs

with mefo bills you need to cap countries quick too before it raises to 100% consumer goods

and use the countries that you annex gold to lower it down

win your wars quick and efficiently and it wont be a problem

[quartz loom]

wait is there gold in this game?

ok ill try that

[wet flicker]

yea you end up taking other countries gold after you capitulate them

like you can steal france's gold after they capitulate

its in the decisions tab on the top

[analog bloom]

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE

[quartz loom]

wait im dumb where do you see gold?

[wet flicker]

decisions

where my "Great Patriotic War" is at the top

you'll see "Economy of Conquest"

and it should say gold in the decisions themselves and how much consumer goods it takes off

[quartz loom]

i dont see gold

maybe its an expansion

[wet flicker]

then you havent been to war yet

just realized that if you still have mefo bills then you havent been to war

just build up and by the time you invade poland, you'll get economy of conquest decisions right where the mefo bills tab is at

you'll get an event with an option that says "Rearmament has always been our goal."

[quartz loom]

oh alright

[wet flicker]

once you see that, then you'll be able to steal the countries gold

im grinding the germans down

just gonna have the allies cap germany while i take all the war score

[cerulean galleon]

still learning

[wet flicker]

what does the propaganda option do in the spy tab?

[quartz loom]

i find it hard to make supplies and troops early on because you dont have enough factories

[sudden grotto]

france likes to snakes in lil spots 💔

[sudden grotto]

the gold

if its the one i understood is when u conqueror countries and they cap, and u steal their gold to reduce the mefo bills

so that your economy doesnt come to a halt

[sudden grotto]

in early games u should focus on civilians, so that by late 1937 or 1938 u can start producing militaries factories and so on

[unreal mica]

Guys ive done it ive reached 500 hrs in hoi4

[quartz loom]

yeah but i need a certain amount of troops to take austria

[unreal mica]

is that good

[sudden grotto]

juts put all factories on infarantry equipment

u dont really need starting techs besides them for early annexing

[sudden grotto]

still a long way u have 🗣️

https://giphy.com/gifs/yoda-SbWAWZf4QRgyI

[quartz loom]

i want to but my troops need support equipment, artillery, etc

[sudden grotto]

ignore them

just spam troops, dont stop your annexing by simply no equip

[sudden grotto]

i suggest u to wait a bit for austria so that austria builds up more factoreis and mroe equipment

it will give more for you

[quartz loom]

oh itll be a long time im sure lmao

[sudden grotto]

if u wait for historical annexing u will gain lots of equip because austria has lots for industry but no mp for it

[quartz loom]

what time is that

[sudden grotto]

1938

[bronze glade]

bruh

[winged field]

Swiss cheese of suffering and agony for everyone

[sudden grotto]

luxembourg remembers me something.

[wet flicker]

im holding defense against germany just because i can atp

[quartz loom]

i fear its not going as well as planned

[sudden grotto]

bock is just desperate at this point

[sudden grotto]

just spam them

u will reiforce them after in later years

[quartz loom]

how do i spam

[errant remnant]

Im slow asf what does "Any other country capital state in europe" mean like how do i complete this focus?

[sudden grotto]

hit the arrow pointing down

it deploys them immeditely

[sudden grotto]

ig any countries which have a european capital?

[quartz loom]

oh and thats good to do? should i do that all the time

[errant remnant]

That makes no sense tho? i dont get it

[quartz loom]

oh i cant

[errant remnant]

To do tito communist yugo path i need to kill everyone in europe that has their capital there?

[sudden grotto]

any way u want? spam them for focus requirements, keep them as a reserve force in case of enemy attacks having the better

[sudden grotto]

tito got some funny ideas

are u going for hugeslavia?

the achievemnt

[sudden grotto]

it needs at least 20% training

to deploy

[errant remnant]

Im in RT56 rn and im just tryna do the tito path i have never played yugo before

[wet flicker]

what does propaganda do in the operative tab?

[sudden grotto]

move the cross on the plant icon, dunno how its called, the one which doesnt have the full bar @quartz loom

[wet flicker]

does it only drop stab?

[sudden grotto]

didnt play 56 in years so cant help in that then

[coarse fable]

Nukes enemy planning

[sudden grotto]

boost ideology

like

for coups stages

it increases the party popularity u follow in the other state

[wet flicker]

so its worthless to do against germany or nah

[sudden grotto]

ig, vanilla germany might take goebbels which makes them have a good fascism boost

and coups generally take too long

[sudden grotto]

ohh shi

my bad, its the war support

i thought the other flag icon near

the propaganda is super good which makes them have less stab and war support which can cause a strike if its low enough

[hoary pecan]

whats meta infantry rn?

[sudden grotto]

did they just bagration army group center?

[opaque zinc]

Just add Albania focus tree and delete all others

It’s so easy paradox it’s so easy

[honest crescent]

how do u get the Kaiser thing?

[untold cove]

THEY SAID IT

THEY SAID THE LINE

[late bluff]

just had my first Italy game and the british destroyed my entire navy in the literal first battle. just wanted to say it to someone lol

[sudden grotto]

actual W suggestion

[sudden grotto]

vanilla?

[honest crescent]

no like in ur profile it has the Kaiser next to ur username

[random needle]

I think if they do a USA dlc they should redo the fascist and unaligned paths

[sudden grotto]

id:customize

[sudden grotto]

basically rework the whole USA

[honest crescent]

oh thx

[sudden grotto]

its a sleeper country for the early years so i dont see big tree for them

[random needle]

unaligned should be Corporatocracy and fascist should be the business plot

[random needle]

Internal events could work instead of international

and a like mini game for managing depression recovery

[sudden grotto]

monarchic technocracy vs fascist capitalism 🗣️

i like my ideologies being schizo

[sudden grotto]

i liek the one in kaiserreich one for germany

to fight black monday

or wahtever its called

[random needle]

Yeah

[random needle]

They could do a branch

some weird ass monarchist sediment

that splits off from the unaligned path

[restive sable]

business plot sounds maybe more non-aligned, they could keep pelley and lindbergh but change how they come to power

US should have a military junta path too

[wet flicker]

does anybody have a good guide/method i can follow to create the european unity formation as germany

[sudden grotto]

which dynasty would go for USA throne?

[wet flicker]

you can do the formation while having the germany focus tree completely unlocked

[random needle]

idk

[sudden grotto]

besides wallis simpson but thats a puppet

[random needle]

some crackhead who claims they are Washington’s descendent

[sudden grotto]

the wife of edward VIII

[sudden grotto]

lol

[restive sable]

the US doesnt need a monarchist path

[sudden grotto]

tho McArthur path ( vanilla non aligned) would be good for fascist path

[restive sable]

macarthur should be non aligned

fascist you could keep lindbergh or pelley

[sudden thistle]

Anything but playing the game normally

Idk though

[untold cove]

was US monarchist at any point of history

[sudden grotto]

a swede in charge of USA would be Top tier play

[wet flicker]

macarthur fascism path is basically him as napolean

[wet flicker]

i just love cheesing bro

[sudden grotto]

never

[wet flicker]

i love cheese on my sandwich and in my games

[sudden grotto]

born a republic

always a republic

[wet flicker]

kinda

back then states had more rights

[safe wing]

Buisness plot should be both fascist and non aligned as different options with the silver shirts and bund being the other two fascist paths

[wet flicker]

there were some leaders of certain us states that compared themselves to kings in the early days of usa

[restive sable]

no, the closest thing to that was some proposal during the revolutionary war to crown a prussian as king of america

but even then that isnt very realistic

[sudden grotto]

they had a states over union mentality too

[untold cove]

prussia strikes once again

[safe wing]

MacArthur should be a military dictatorship path without the CSA althist fanfiction nonsense

[sudden grotto]

well, compared, not in the traditional way

[wet flicker]

true

[untold cove]

macarthur coup momento 🥵

[restive sable]

and it should be non-aligned

[sudden grotto]

maybe add some winstor branch for USA

[restive sable]

or maybe a democratic macarthur path, where he renounces his military post and runs from president

[restive sable]

makes sense

[safe wing]

Macarhthurs dad was in the union irl and he was arrogent about this to his classmates of confederate family backgrounds at West Point

[untold cove]

or macarthur democracy as the only democracy who can declare wars freely

[safe wing]

His dad got the Medal of Honor in the civil war too

[restive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/douglas-macarthur-general-macarthur-military-history-meme-gif-12019232958627131194

[safe wing]

Here is his dad btw

[restive sable]

idrk what you could do as a plausible communist path for the US

[untold cove]

is that a medal of honor reference??

[safe wing]

Arthur MacArthur Jr

[safe wing]

Stalinist under Earl Browder

[restive sable]

wasnt he governor general of the phillipines at one point?

[safe wing]

And Independent under Jay Lovestone

[untold cove]

bro looks like the person who gets shot and say "damn, son"

[safe wing]

Fun fact Jay Lovestone became a leading cia figure after wwii

He hated Stalin even as a communist and after too

[restive sable]

crazy switch-up 😭😭

[safe wing]

He was a buhkarinist

One of the guys the communist party of America sent to the USSR got killed by the nkvd

[sudden thistle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/the-deep-deep-thoughts--k01KS189RVWD354VHKDBZ3AY718

[woeful knoll]

Why did they fill foriegn students

[restive sable]

amazing stuff

[safe wing]

Too westernized probably

[restive sable]

america doesnt need a monarchist path

if it gets one it should be a secret path

[woeful knoll]

it doesnt need a monarchist path it needs a military dictatorship path

and independent states

[safe wing]

Which is what I want too

[restive sable]

macarthur path

[safe wing]

And a non aligned corporatist path as well

That can be a fascist path too

[restive sable]

or another non-aligned path that goes along with the business plot

[restive sable]

what about pelley or lindbergh?

[woeful knoll]

boys how about a path where you become a german puppet but when u become one your focus tree switches and the game ends

[safe wing]

Silvershirt path and bund path

[untold cove]

why fascist paths are always referred as shirt colors

[safe wing]

Silvershirts are Pelley and the bund is the pro Nazi path were America join the axis

[untold cove]

blackshirts in UK, redshirts in Turkey, brown shirts in Italy

[woeful knoll]

paramilitary

[restive sable]

they were the blackshirts in Italy iirc

[safe wing]

Blue shirts in China, gold shirts in Mexico

[restive sable]

germany had the brownshirts

in the SA

[untold cove]

therefore all shirt wearers are fascists

[woeful knoll]

anyone else notice how china has no endgame content

its literally unite china defeat japan and then a wargoal on the uk

[untold cove]

i mean uniting china and defeating japan would take your whole energy

would you even want to do something afterwards

[safe wing]

Communist China achieved this in 1949 irl

[woeful knoll]

free asia

a formable

[safe wing]

Fair

[woeful knoll]

and a path where u join allies

and a path where u join axis

but theres nothing

[restive sable]

fair

[woeful knoll]

just a allies worgoal

[safe wing]

Why would the KMT join the allies

[woeful knoll]

???

[sudden grotto]

because of the shirts the fascists members used to wear, nazis with brown, UKs with black and so on

[woeful knoll]

they literally did

not fully

but they were in the allies like the soviets were

[random needle]

Isn’t most minor nations just make formable from path/get land, annex neighboring major country then annex allies

[woeful knoll]

yes but china is a major nation with even less then that

[safe wing]

KMT would likely demand the return of territory

The whole part of the allies thing was temporary

[woeful knoll]

dont they have that for democratic japan

where you can "Demand" transfer of colonies

why cant they ahve that for china

[restive sable]

KMT claimed land like tibet, askai chin and archudal pradesh, tuva, mongolia and others

as some examples

[woeful knoll]

i dont see how claiming colonial land means u also cant join the allies

[safe wing]

Japan was in the allies in ww1 though albiet for opportunistic reasons

[restive sable]

they also occupied north indochina pretty briefly post war i believe

[woeful knoll]

which LITERALLY every single major nation democratic path does

[woeful knoll]

yes

what about it

[sudden grotto]

"free islands? and no need to fight? where do i sign"
-Japan probably

[safe wing]

lol pretty much

Australia and New Zealand did the same thing too

[sudden grotto]

besides tsingtao holding on

[restive sable]

australia got a chunk of papua new guinea from germany for practically free

[sudden grotto]

@safe wing the battle they probably fought in ww1

with a good kd ngl

[restive sable]

what battle is this

[sudden grotto]

siege of tsingtao, german city in china

[restive sable]

ah

[safe wing]

Tsingtao

Germanys Hong Kong

Or Hong Kong equivalent

[restive sable]

basically yeah

[safe wing]

My parents visited China in 1997 and my dad said they still had the German brewery’s

[sudden grotto]

what was willy cooking ?

[safe wing]

4 years before I was born

Though he mainly lived in Canton

For about a year

[restive sable]

interesting

[tulip thorn]

Pretty sure they still have quite a bit of german influence

Like buildings

[wet flicker]

nice lil encirclements

[sudden thistle]

germany is goated like that

[restive sable]

every time i read something about european views on japan at this time it's always racist

[sudden grotto]

what happens when u leaev romanians protecting your flanks

[sudden grotto]

more like

xenophobic

[restive sable]

yeah probably a better word

[safe wing]

Portugal got Macau in 1557 for the Ming dynasty

[wet flicker]

whats crazy is that i have a 100k casualty for every 1 million kills i get

[sudden grotto]

they didnt really travel countries like we do today so it was quite common to fall for stereotypes that they gave to the general population

[restive sable]

insert a speech bubble of german generals at stalingrad

[tulip thorn]

400 years of controlling it

More than 400 years

[sudden grotto]

Paulus got raigbaited by romanians, he was cursing them in his mind the whole time 100%

[safe wing]

Yeah

They got it from the Ming dynasty and gave it back to communist China in 1999

Jesus Christ the amount of history

[green magnet]

whats up with every nation going communist in un historical?

[fickle thicket]

97*

[restive sable]

ming dynasty revival focus path for china when????

[tulip thorn]

Did you go alt hist as germany

[safe wing]

That was Hong Kong

Not Macau

[fickle thicket]

fuh

[green magnet]

no im playing us

[tulip thorn]

the ai on hist will do paths according to what alt path you do

[restive sable]

442 years

[sudden grotto]

did they even had a legitimate heir ?

[safe wing]

They don’t

[restive sable]

probably not

[sudden grotto]

they would be like thousands of heirs by then

[restive sable]

just making a cruddy joke

[safe wing]

Also an estimated 30 million people died when the Ming dynasty collapsed

Chinese civil wars everyone

[sudden grotto]

average chinese dynasty leaving china:

[tulip thorn]

I didnt know the exact number on the top of my head

[restive sable]

i didnt either i just googled it

[alpine peak]

long live china

[restive sable]

lol

[fair horizon]

Commie paths are cool

[tulip thorn]

lol

[restive sable]

average chinese civil war

[tulip thorn]

most of them kinda suck ngl

[safe wing]

The reason it happend was because some bandit guy was bored and wanted power

[tulip thorn]

some are pretty fun

[restive sable]

most suck pretty bad

[fair horizon]

Marx zomvies tho

[restive sable]

helpful for a minor nation but it's kinda useless as any major

[tulip thorn]

Some communist paths are pretty fun

Most suck really bad

[safe wing]

Chinese civil wars starting for the most bs reasons:

[tulip thorn]

Like the uk or italy

[alpine peak]

long live china

[safe wing]

Imagine starting a civil war thinking Jesus is your older brother

[restive sable]

someone would sneeze and it'll cause a civil war that leads to the death of 10 million people

[alpine peak]

long live mao zedong

[restive sable]

top tier larping

[tulip thorn]

Pretty much

[untold cove]

tai ching hong dispute

• 10 millions death
• 2 billion relocated
• 3 species went extinct

[quartz loom]

im locked, the best weve ever looked, holy

[untold cove]

you got the czechs

congrats

[safe wing]

lol

[sudden grotto]

bro killed 10% of the world pop for some throne he will lose in a day 💔

[safe wing]

Whoever the writers are for humanity the series really love their Chinese civil war arcs

[restive sable]

"Now make China implode and start another civil war!"

https://tenor.com/view/haha-lol-funny-smack-playful-gif-11213061

[honest glacier]

are elephants considered infantry or cavalry

[untold cove]

they are to be addressed

[wet flicker]

is the yalta conference worth agreeing to with the UK as the soviet union if i have around 60% war score?

[cinder parrot]

how do i get the british to stop guaranteeing EVERYONE

i justified a war on turkiye as fascist greece (i love the dlc) and the UK just guaranteed the turks

[scenic rose]

Happened in 36 BCE and the Yantzge proceeded to blow up, turning the Beixianshinianbingbong Dynasty into 58 warlords for 284 years

[restive sable]

here's the fun part! you don't.

[wet flicker]

justify war goals on minor countries that the uk is likely to want to guarantee to keep them off your target country

you keep doing that until they run out of pp

[cinder parrot]

turkiye isnt even important

im not even kidding

[wet flicker]

can somebody pmo

[wet flicker]

to the uk and allies in general it is

[cinder parrot]

turkiye wont even join the war blawg

[untold cove]

what does turkiye has to do with that question

[cinder parrot]

ww2 hasnt started yet

[cinder parrot]

the UK guaranteed them when i decided to justify

just give me constantinople backb ro

[wet flicker]

does anybody know if i should agree to the yalta conference

[untold cove]

bro it has nothing to do with how important country is

uk is democratic and they guarantee

[wet flicker]

yea pretty much

[cinder parrot]

turkiye is non aligned

[wet flicker]

so is poland

but uk and france still guarantees them

[untold cove]

they will guarantee pretty much everyone to stop you

[wet flicker]

its just what democratic countries do pretty much

yea

[untold cove]

take out uk first if that bothers you too much

[cinder parrot]

The Balkans are under absolute axis control btw

[wet flicker]

that must be hard to do as greece

ive never even tried tho so who knows

[untold cove]

i thought he was playing reich or smthn

[cinder parrot]

i might just use the toolpack to nuke the hell out of the UK or make them fight a civil war if i wanna

[untold cove]

i should have know when he said constantinople

[restive sable]

they dont usually guarentee fascist countries iirc

[untold cove]

try using spy networks to promote fascism and drive them into a civil war next time

[restive sable]

i could be wrong

[untold cove]

probably but you dont declare war on fascist countries anyways

[cinder parrot]

i have toolpack without the errors, i can just use it to do it now

[untold cove]

well go for it

[restive sable]

true

[cinder parrot]

did it

[untold cove]

you can also disable guarantees from game settings

[cinder parrot]

imma give them crack divs to make em win though

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[untold cove]

bro just annex turkiye atp 😭 🙏

[cinder parrot]

germany added the blackshirts to the axis bro

[untold cove]

did turkiye join axis

[cinder parrot]

i will refer to the british fascists as "blackshirts" because the british fascists leader wears only black

and they were originally called that the last time i saw the UK fall into civil war

[untold cove]

"gothic mommies organize coup in united kingdom"

[cinder parrot]

Bros uniform

[untold cove]

how are they in axis

[cinder parrot]

i dont know

the germans just added them in

[untold cove]

bro got ukraine in axis 😭 🙏

[cinder parrot]

uhh

no

[untold cove]

its right there

[cinder parrot]

thats transylvania

[untold cove]

ooh

[cinder parrot]

im the contributor to most axis members btw

because alot of them are puppets

[untold cove]

as bulgaria?

[cinder parrot]

bulgaria, romania, bessarabia, transylvania, and yugoslavia are my puppets

[untold cove]

who are you

[cinder parrot]

greece

[untold cove]

why dont you go for byzantine or rome

[cinder parrot]

italy is in the faction son

and i cant form the roman empire

[untold cove]

yea that was italy thing

greater macedonian empire

[cinder parrot]

anyways ww2 has started

[safe wing]

You don’t need Italy to form Byzantium

[cinder parrot]

by me

[safe wing]

You need Greece and Turkey

[untold cove]

you cant form byzantium as turkey 🥲

kind of sad

[cinder parrot]

byzantium was greek and roman bro

ofc you cant do it as the turks

[untold cove]

it would be cool

greater turco-byzantium empire

[lapis onyx]

Bro seriously... your confusing tmbyzantium with the people who literally just sat on the ashes of the worlds greatest wempire and tried to act like they were the best around

They werent

[safe wing]

That would be a good KX path ngl

[lapis onyx]

Props tk the ottomans tho

[scenic rose]

Rename it to Istanbul and you're set

[lapis onyx]

They kept everyone from killing eachother

Somehow..

[safe wing]

Byzotto empire

[cinder parrot]

i already control istanbul bro

[untold cove]

i mean an empire existing for 600 years could be the best around

[untold cove]

you need west half of the anatolia

[safe wing]

Byzantines tried to control the ottomans by marrying their daughter to a sultan btw

[untold cove]

and giving them land

[cinder parrot]

i have the megali idea

[lapis onyx]

They lost territory consistsntly when faced with a modern military

[cinder parrot]

im getting it ASAP

and im gonna take over cyprus to make it easier

[untold cove]

how do you define modern military

[cinder parrot]

so i dont have to perform multiple landings

[scenic rose]

For like 80% of their history they were getting bullied by everyone around them and progressively losing territory

[feral cobalt]

hello chat

[untold cove]

are we still talking about ottomans

[lapis onyx]

Depends on the age

[feral cobalt]

is my hours normal

[safe wing]

Laughs in Macedonian dynasty and Kommenos restoration

But yeah

[cinder parrot]

how many

[feral cobalt]

check my dc profile rn

[safe wing]

Those were only temporary

[lapis onyx]

Btw funfact all of modern history can be blamed on austria hungary

[untold cove]

i mean definition of modern military was ottomans until siege of vienna

[feral cobalt]

[cinder parrot]

turn the game off bro

[scenic rose]

Both sat on the ashes of a century old empire so both

[feral cobalt]

🙁

[lapis onyx]

It was thought to be yes

But much like the russians of today

[sudden thistle]

oh

[cinder parrot]

the british havent surrendered despite the british fascists literally controlling 99% of their land

[safe wing]

Still impressive what the Kommenos dynasty achieved

[untold cove]

century means 100 years, byzantium was much older than that

[lapis onyx]

The ottomans had a tendency to... exaggerate

[scenic rose]

Meant centuries old oopsie

[feral cobalt]

what's the highest you had before

[sudden thistle]

its all greek lies!

[safe wing]

This was the empire under Manuel Kommenos btw

[lapis onyx]

More so if you count its time as the roman empire

[cinder parrot]

like 9 hours MAX

[untold cove]

i would count them as different countries

[safe wing]

And this was after manzerkiet

[feral cobalt]

LOL

[untold cove]

since they fought each other too iirc

[feral cobalt]

becoming morbidly obese speedrun

[safe wing]

Having rum and Hungary as vassals simultaneously

[untold cove]

now my opinion might not be the most neutral one since i am a turk

[sudden thistle]

says mr 90 hours

[feral cobalt]

😔

[wet flicker]

japan just went democratic without capitulating at all

wth

how is that possible

[safe wing]

But yeah the empire shat the bed when Manuel died

[untold cove]

maybe there was a coup

[sudden thistle]

oh it makes sense now

[lapis onyx]

I smell spies

[scenic rose]

Military purges mayhaps

[sudden thistle]

my guess

[wet flicker]

i never seen competent spying from the ai tho

[sudden thistle]

they lost to china

[untold cove]

you know too much now

[sudden thistle]

got white peaced

[safe wing]

Great men do not have good succesors often

[sudden thistle]

the coup happened after it

[lapis onyx]

I miss hirohito and his 3 chins

[sudden thistle]

and now democratic with no peacedeal

[lapis onyx]

D X

[wet flicker]

oh yea you're prob right cus china got all their land back

[untold cove]

tenno heika banzai or smthn

[lapis onyx]

Actually nowthat i have all the dlcs

[safe wing]

chat can we agree that it is insane that the Byzantine empire had 3 good emperors back to back

[feral cobalt]

i'm aiming for 120 hours...

[lapis onyx]

Is it possible to change leader pirtraits

[lapis onyx]

Ill do you one better

Aurelius

[safe wing]

5 good emperors

yeah

[scenic rose]

Insane emperor streak

[safe wing]

but that was Rome at its peak

not post Manzerikeit like Kommenoids

[lapis onyx]

The praetorian guard are awful

He basically brought it back from its death

Hmmm yes

Assasinate

[safe wing]

I find the Kommenids more impressive because they had less resources than the Nerva Antoinne dynsaty

and yet they still pulled some crazy stuff off

[sudden thistle]

I can never be silenced 🔥

[untold cove]

why tho arent they the protectors of the empire

[lapis onyx]

It surprises me they werent all bloody executed at this point and the guard disbanded

[safe wing]

the same reason the Jannsarries and Mamluks were

[lapis onyx]

The emperors bodyguards

[untold cove]

so they went out of their ways, revolted and got silenced?

[lapis onyx]

If you heard about a emperors assas8nation

[astral cliff]

👍

[lapis onyx]

Gurantee some purple cloak wearing power hungry guard was behind it

Actually theres a list on wikipedia i believe

[safe wing]

or in the words of Dovahatty from Unbiased history "the historians know where this is going so lets appreciate the Praetorian guard while they are loyal which won't be for [censord] long"

[fair compass]

me watching communist china execute chiang (im gonna have to deal with a good china now)

[untold cove]

i thought praetorians were cool bro

kind of a disappointment for me

[safe wing]

they were cool at killing emperors

thats it

[lapis onyx]

Thats a amazing quote mind linking me that video? Wanna watch it now

[lapis onyx]

And being the best shock infantry in tw rome 2

[safe wing]

they even tried selling the empire to the highest bidder after Commodus (the Emperor from Gladiator) died

[untold cove]

do they kill the emperor because they dont like how he leads the empire or they kill them for the fun of the game

[lapis onyx]

Thats the funny part

We dont know

[untold cove]

based

[lapis onyx]

Some had reasons

But most

We dont know

[safe wing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzM_QuX5Uc4

[lapis onyx]

Ty

[safe wing]

this channel is peak historical parody

[untold cove]

why did it took so long for emperors to end the praetorian order then

[safe wing]

Constantine got rid of them

[untold cove]

last emperor of byzantium?

[safe wing]

no Constantine I founder of Constantinople

[untold cove]

or were there multiple constantines

[safe wing]

there was 12

[untold cove]

dang

[safe wing]

two Constantine III's though

one in the west one in the east

[untold cove]

what year is this exactly

or in what time period praetorians existed

[safe wing]

312 AD

rougly 27 BC - 312 AD

[untold cove]

i sometimes forgot byzantium was 1000 years old

[safe wing]

He had to end the series at Heraclius because youtube wouldn't take the slander of islamic conquests well

[lapis onyx]

Alot of people forget the reason we started looking west was because of the byzantianes falling

[safe wing]

was hoping we would get a siege of constantinople video with the attack on titan intro music

[lapis onyx]

They lasted tecnically until the mid 1600s

[untold cove]

via italy?

[safe wing]

alot of the later epiosdes have anime music openings

[lapis onyx]

Constainople

Was the last city to fall

To quote

[safe wing]

1400's

[untold cove]

it fell in 1453

[safe wing]

they fell in 1453

[lapis onyx]

Ah my bad

Im thinkin of something else

But ye

[untold cove]

yeah we can say they held out until 1400s

[lapis onyx]

Anyways

[untold cove]

maybe they would hold for longer if christians could unite

against one single enemy

[lapis onyx]

The ottomans had to bring in cannons

[safe wing]

they used Clattanoia from overlord for the Severan dynasty
Silohuette from Naruto for crisis of the third century
and the Season one Punch man for Constantine

[lapis onyx]

To blow up one of the walls

[untold cove]

the biggest and mightiest ever made

[lapis onyx]

Yes

And i can imagine the look of horror

When they saw 2 more walls

[safe wing]

@lapis onyx https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmY8vdyIpac

[lapis onyx]

CENSORED

[untold cove]

thats the point they decided on tunnels and towers

[lapis onyx]

Yea

[untold cove]

tunnels failed horribly

[lapis onyx]

Keep in mind

[safe wing]

the fact they made Cassius Dio Dio from Jojo cracks me up

[untold cove]

i mean mehmed the second probably knew there were 3 walls, he had spies in the city

[lapis onyx]

This is A WEAKENED CONSTAINIOLE

From the black plague

[safe wing]

and 1204

the 4th crusade

[lapis onyx]

Yes

[safe wing]

along with the mismangement from the Latin Empire

[lapis onyx]

Wait

What was the 4th crusade for anyways

I forget

[untold cove]

even if black plague didnt exist defenders of the city didnt have much chance

they were encircled

[safe wing]

and god knows how many civil wars between 1261 and 1453

[lapis onyx]

No but it goes to show the ottomans had that much trouble with a very weakened what was effectively a city state

At thisnpoint

[untold cove]

only real trouble were the walls tbh

[lapis onyx]

Defenders gave them hell too

[untold cove]

and that didnt save them

[safe wing]

someone left a gate open

thats how the city fell

no joke

[lapis onyx]

Yep

[untold cove]

"trojan! did you lock the doors?"

[lapis onyx]

One dumb person forgot to lock a gate

And the reason we found america started

[untold cove]

butterfly effect

[lapis onyx]

Funfact the first thing the ottomans did

Was ban trade from the east

From getting into europe effectively being

Hang on i got a gif for this

[untold cove]

i dont remember a ban

they increased the taxes but

[lapis onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-evidence-dusty-marlow-paradise-pd-fetal-attraction-eating-brownies-gif-21058821

[lapis onyx]

Not even taxes

They dead ass just did above gif

And sold it at exorbant prices

Think of them as scalpers

Thats the best comparison

[untold cove]

they were already getting what they wanted

why would they ban trade

they were getting a lot of taxes from traders

especially from mora and venice

[safe wing]

Rome if they got rid of the Praetorians earlier

[untold cove]

byzantium space force sounds like some wh40k shi

[safe wing]

thats because it kinda is

[untold cove]

maybe americas would never be discovered

kind of weird to think about it

[safe wing]

they would be

eventually

[untold cove]

but like

much much later

[safe wing]

yes

it just takes one ship to be blown off course

and end up in Brazil

[untold cove]

"are we there yet"

"yeah we are in india"

[safe wing]

"I don't recall India having Stone Pyrmaids like Egypt"

[untold cove]

"nah this is some buddha temple or something"

[vapid quartz]

@untold cove

[untold cove]

how can i help

[vapid quartz]

you up for a game?

[untold cove]

not really, thanks for asking tho

[oak mantle]

Hello people

[fair compass]

dont you love it when you do a raid on a neighbouring warlord

and it all the sudden

pulls

6 random divs

from a whole different army

instead of the one you placed on the warlords border 👀

[untold cove]

maybe they are volunteers

[fair compass]

well it pisses me off still

[foggy scaffold]

I thought they fixed factions.

=/

[oak mantle]

i wish there were designated channels in this discord for discussing different things like navy/army/air etc

[foggy scaffold]

Yea Philippines joined the African union.

Makes total sense.

[untold cove]

portugal joins asian co prosperity sphere

[fair compass]

Yugoslavia joins the antartican Pact

[foggy scaffold]

Oh yes now they've joined some other faction

Great

[fair compass]

im sorry?

i didnt know the danube went down to goddamn ETHIOPIA

[untold cove]

how do you form danubian federation

[fair compass]

playing austria with the Götterdammerung dlc

[untold cove]

what ideology do they have

[fair compass]

non-aligned / monarchist

[untold cove]

thank u

[foggy scaffold]

The danube goes to Moscow.

The danube goes to Washington

It goes to south africa.

I find it funny that I see a lot of people say femboys play both hoi4 and war thunder.

[foggy scaffold]

Meh applies to me.

But idk

[lapis onyx]

Venice could afford the scalped prices dead ass qlso the fact that tiberius gave so much power to the praetorians did not help

[untold cove]

kind of a skill issue tbh

if they didnt want to pay more

they should have protected the city

[cinder parrot]

Türkiye’s army ingame is embarrassing

I had a smaller invasion force sent, 24 divisions and they lost

[untold cove]

its a balkan nation, i wouldnt expect more

greece and bulgaria is no better anyways

[cinder parrot]

I was playing as Greece btw

[untold cove]

i know

you can invade balkans as any country

because you improve said nation's army too

[cinder parrot]

This was also the Balkans too… so erm

[untold cove]

like i said

you can invade anyone

[cinder parrot]

Not exactly

[untold cove]

i wouldnt suggest a direct approach into turkey tho

[cinder parrot]

If you have battle for the Bosporus, the Balkans become harder to invade

[untold cove]

çakmak line is a strong defense

[cinder parrot]

They already gone bro

[untold cove]

try naval invading

you still have the frontline

[cinder parrot]

That image is from a few hours ago

[steep rampart]

I’m starting a new Bulgaria run, what’s the best way to play whilst siding with the axis?

[untold cove]

aight

[untold cove]

try invading greece and turkey if you are good at micro

[cinder parrot]

Hristo Lukov, codemn IMRO

[steep rampart]

I was planning on doing Romania and turkey but Greece has caught my attention

[untold cove]

having more land never hurts

[steep rampart]

Is this deposing or supporting the tsar?

[cinder parrot]

It deposes him later on

Requires “Power to the Tsar” for the fascists

The option to condemn the IMRO requires either start of the politics part

[steep rampart]

Ahh, this is the legionnaire Bulgaria path right?

[cinder parrot]

Yes

Very useful if you wanna just refuse army restrictions

[steep rampart]

This game I plan on supporting the Germans in Barbarossa and pushing to the baku oil by myself

[cinder parrot]

Uhm

[untold cove]

it would be hard to do that through bessarabia

[cinder parrot]

Deal with Romania via Yugoslavia when Czechia ends that guarantee

[steep rampart]

I will crush any opposition to the glorious and righteous path of the new Bulgarian future

[foggy scaffold]

Helping D-day as the Chinese empire is

Funny.

[untold cove]

i can feel the allies coming inside of german territory

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[foggy scaffold]

I reached paris

Finally.

Oh man crazy ass encirclement wtf

Kk wtf

Switzerland joined the allies???

What

And the soviets reaches Warsaw in... 1943

Thats

This fr starting to look more historical

I think we'll reach berlin before the soviets though.

[foggy scaffold]

Oh we did

Wait.

Chinese italy

TF HOW DID I GET IT

[steep rampart]

Did you kill a lot of Italians?

[foggy scaffold]

Possibly.

Oh

They actually got right borders

And even looking at the factions its historical

Warsaw Pact ahh

Germany just

Became west germany and that colour is disgusting

[fierce grail]

easter egg guys!!!! trust

vladivostok releasable btw lol

my puppet :3

[violet quartz]

peace conference ai forgot where estonia is

[green magnet]

just a calm relocation

[foggy scaffold]

I think ww3 is about to happen.

Uhoh

Ima help the allies with operation unthinkable

OH

[foggy scaffold]

IT DID HAPPEN

[fierce grail]

when is paradox going to fix the colors on this glag

flag*

[green magnet]

when is the rework for the allies

[fierce grail]

it looks like highlighter and its just really ugly

i would gladly make it for paradox

if it means spain flag gets fixed

[foggy scaffold]

When is paradox gonna fix the British/French puppets.

I hate them

Stupid puppets

[fierce grail]

Paradox was that really so hard

no

it wasnt

ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS DARKET THE YELLOW

SO ITS NOT HIGHLIGHTER YELLOW

or i couldve desaturated it

but the DIFFERENCE

its just

[green magnet]

how does ts even bother you

[fierce grail]

oml

[fierce grail]

autism

Chat is cavalry tank Xibei San ma meta

[sullen wave]

Just spent half an hour fighting tooth and nail for territory in a pc

My game proceeded to crash immediately after

[foggy scaffold]

The flags for british and French puppets make me go insane.

[sullen wave]

https://tenor.com/view/shellshock-thousand-yard-stare-what-wtf-bro-gif-13085994373754983931

[foggy scaffold]

Not the actual flags though

The fact that they dont change when you puppet them

Neither their colour

Fueiciejckjc

Canada

The raj

At least Australia and new Zealand change.

[pearl anchor]

Damn im from canad

canada

was studying stats

got super stoned

[fickle thicket]

rip

[dusky burrow]

why are the focus icons my little pony icons

[raven lotus]

because why not

[tepid saffron]

i think hes a vampire

[raven lotus]

no really? thanks for the insight

[tepid saffron]

np thanks for asking

[raven lotus]

smartass

[untold cove]

what flag was this

[tulip thorn]

Because its peak duh

[raven lotus]

Great Qing

[untold cove]

oh right

thank you

i knew i saw it in age of empires

[dusky burrow]

fair

[raven lotus]

and like I said before, because why not?

[marble abyss]

Are hours really a good way to determine skill? I got 1.2k hours but I've only been in 3 ww2 mp games

[green magnet]

nah

[marble abyss]

Like I've done other modpacks mp games but none of that transfers

[green magnet]

I have at most 393 hours and I haven't loaded up a single MP

there's people with 1k who don't even know most of the mechanics (and navy)

[marble abyss]

Navy actually lowkey fun though

Only recently got a good grip on it

[green magnet]

yea

but everyone always tells me "nah just spam subs"

because they dont know how to build a full effective fleet

[marble abyss]

I mean its not wrong but its not right

Great for nailing troops retreating out of a port, deciamating rubber trade in vanilla games shi like that

[finite plume]

I created a sunset/golden hour-like lighting for my mod cause I wanted to see how it would look

Looks better close-up trust

[green magnet]

i kinda hate this somewhat new navel dominance tho

[marble abyss]

Thats actually really impressive I dont really look at the normal hoi4 map

[marble abyss]

Tell me about it lmao im not the biggest fan of coal either but its whatever

[fair horizon]

Reclaim the mandate of heaven one is my favorite

[raven lotus]

the one with Nightmare Moon?

[fair horizon]

Yeah shes the one i liked from the april fools event

[fair horizon]

I think its good because it forces you to put ships in the water

[untold cove]

bro really said 🌏

[wet flicker]

allies really just let you do whatever

[pulsar salmon]

I freed Kurdistan in my first ever game and this is the leader pfp

"Seyid Riza"

[modest shuttle]

Have any of you guys seen AI-controlled Fascist Norway Monarchist Portugal or Monarchist Greece acutally win their respective civil wars? Cause I sure haven't, not once.

[craggy trail]

Mass producing swords, muzzleloaders, breechloaders, and bolt action rifles for the undead

They are one of a kind

[tulip thorn]

Will they be left 4 dead

[craggy trail]

Could be. Ironpony on Elite difficulty

[lethal patrol]

any1 else got this

[distant knoll]

Probably

[tulip thorn]

Damn

[wet flicker]

how do i raise my naval dominance in the norwegian sea?

i have 2260 dominance in the north sea

i dont get why its not equally separated for

this is how i have my ships set up

[craggy trail]

You need to patrol those other regions that your naval invasion is going through

[wet flicker]

i had them set to patrol there too tho

i think i found a way tho

i just separated from destroyers from my main fleet

and put them to patrol that region too

thats prob what you meant anyway

[craggy trail]

[whole wedge]

paradrop superiority 🔥 (just paradrop on a few ports, if you take one slam your entire army into it)

[sharp ginkgo]

chat my save file corrupted 14 hours into a save for an achievement and the only way i can finish out the run is to de-ironman it and console annex a country because every time i try to open the war effort screen or enter the peace conference with them it CTD instantly with no error reporting

i either restart this run where i'm literally just cleaning up the world atp for the world conquest or """"""cheat""""", finish it out and manually unlock the achievement with.. tools

[grave sonnet]

Congrats on being the first one to get it

[plain oracle]

What were the devs on while making Götterdämmerung? It's a great DLC, but why are some parts of the Austria focus tree english and some are german. Because the focus "legitimistische Studentenverbindungen" sounds like it's made to bring pain to english speakers.

Then there are focuses like Devalue the Schilling

In english

[grave sonnet]

Non problem

[plain oracle]

true, its just confusing

[grave sonnet]

Well I get Ur confusion because they could have just entirely made it English but they wanted it to sound cool and stuff ig

[wet flicker]

does anybody play sweden

[plain oracle]

Yeah but i've never heard an english speaker say legitimistische studentenverbindungen without it sounding like a stroke. It has to be intentional

[plain oracle]

yes

[wet flicker]

who knows what the optimal path is

[grave sonnet]

Never did

Idk why

I've played every surrounding nation

[plain oracle]

Depends on what your goal is

[wet flicker]

is it poverty reduction or defense for all

well im doing the formations

just need finland

im communist

[plain oracle]

then I have no idea. I have never played communist sweden.

[wet flicker]

poverty reduction -> privately managed vacation > accept agreement

thats the path im taking then

wish me luck

[plain oracle]

good luck

[wet flicker]

bruh

finland keeps joining axis

[runic zodiac]

Do u guys think hoi5 is next on paradoxs list? Ive heard rumours of a new franchise entirely (hope it goes better than imperator rome)

[plain oracle]

Oh I think they will rather release a lebanon, jordan, syria DLC

[runic zodiac]

I mean eventually they're gonna want to make a sequel to arguably their biggest (if not 2nd biggest) game and its next on rotation of their franchises that needs a sequel. Hoi didnt have to worry because it was obvious eu4 was next but eu just got its 5th game so i wouldnt be surprised if we got a hoi5 announcement sometime by the end of 2027 or 2028

[valid dagger]

@zolk

wheres zolk

[runic zodiac]

I kinda want a fantasy game or new sci-fi franchise or something other than real world history since we already have 4 major historical IPs

[valid dagger]

where is zolkie

[untold cove]

why would they make a hoi5 when they can milk hoi4 to death

maybe a new game serie

like

kidneys of steel

[plain oracle]

the thing is, how can you make hoi5 without it just being hoi4 with mods?

[runic zodiac]

Because they know hoi5 would get all the players from hoi 4 and then they can start from the beginning of milking hoi. Why make more new content for hoi4 when u can make hoi5 then make content already in hoi4 for for hoi5 like they've done with ck3 & vic3 and are gonna do with eu5

[silent scroll]

hoi4 rolls off the tongue better

plus the dlcs cost more than the game itself so theyre probably never going to make a hoi5

[untold cove]

they dont know if they can make a hoi5 without ruining the series

they are scared

it took rockstar 13 years to build up enough confidence for gta 6

[runic zodiac]

As much as i hate PDS's dlc format they know how to make games and have already proven they can make a successful sequel with 3 of their 5 big franchises. The only other one they havent done it eith is stellaris and thats because it was a brand new IP that came out lster than all the last gen games (vic2, ck2, eu4 & hoi4)

[untold cove]

well

im all in for a hoi5

but hoi4 is like minecraft

what new thing you can add to it

hoi4 is everything you can expect from a ww2 grand strategy sandbox game

[runic zodiac]

Im not saying hoi5 is a good or bad idea, im just saying going of history and whats next on the list. Hoi5 or a brand new ip (which they'd be far more hesitent on i recon) makes the most sense for a next game

[untold cove]

probably

but i dont think hoi5 can add something new to the series

maybe better graphics or better AI, thats all

[runic zodiac]

Which is why im hoping for a new IP

As i said praying for fantasy or some sort of sci-fi

[untold cove]

they tried sci fi

maybe they would focus on something like civilization

or a modern day ip

[restive knoll]

@coral iris can you send code

what year btw

@still gorge

[runic zodiac]

Sci-fi does not only mean space...

Also they have 4 different historical franchises running rn...

Sci-fi could be like futuristic earth, an apocolypse or a game set underwater or on a new planet etc. Stellaris has shown their is a want for a paradox grand strategy not set in history

[valid dagger]

can u join

@kindred hedge likes ur pfp

[restive knoll]

BRO I JUST GOT OFF