hoi4-general

[prisma steppe]

funni buisness

[prisma quartz]

Have some common sense @prisma steppe If you wanna complain do it via the ticket system

[azure walrus]

i deleted my army

i want to play vichy

[prisma steppe]

i aint digging my grave with a complaint

[azure walrus]

french communist alternative ahh

[prisma steppe]

i am not going back to mute-hell

[upbeat tundra]

why

[prisma quartz]

That is just wildly inapropriate conduct, there is other spaces where you can behave like that.
Anyhow. HOI4 Channel.

[bleak cove]

you are not pushing gang

[haughty sail]

Most of the people here are immature kids tbf

[azure walrus]

1. die perfidious albion achievement
2. petain is a strong leader

[prisma quartz]

I will refrain to make a judgement on that. Lol.

[haughty sail]

Lol

[upbeat tundra]

sonionion

[bleak cove]

i got 68% max entrenchment

[upbeat tundra]

60 divs vs 7

[haughty sail]

Karl whatever ur typing think before u press enter

[upbeat tundra]

hoi4 lookin a bit different today

[prisma steppe]

99% of human-wave-offensives fail before the frontline breaks, fu i cant get the sentence to look right

[winter fulcrum]

bro had to stop the femboy stuff 🤣

[brazen marsh]

what is the average age of someone that will understand how to play hoi4

[upbeat tundra]

i had to save st kirk somehow

[bleak cove]

why are they not at war with the germans

[prisma quartz]

so do you fyi

[winter fulcrum]

what

i didnt do anything

[haughty sail]

People just follow the rules and listen to mods it's not hard to do

Like there's a literal #server-rules

[prisma steppe]

blud started with it tho

[brazen marsh]

....

[prisma quartz]

No, don't listen to us, unless it is rules related 💀

[haughty sail]

Theres not an age limit to hoi4

[upbeat tundra]

13+

imo

[prisma quartz]

Just letting you know too, in the spirit of fairness

[upbeat tundra]

imo 13+ is good but

[haughty sail]

If u tell me to cook my ramen without water I'll do it I done it before

[winter fulcrum]

when you learn that mussolini will never help you when you play germany

[upbeat tundra]

reichspakt vs comintern whose winning

[prisma quartz]

102+, you need the irl experience

[prisma quartz]

close one for the commies

[upbeat tundra]

the ai fought over germany so much this happened once

[haughty sail]

Tell them to open up the pre order for Thunder at our gates

-_-

I will pay 134 bucks

Idc

[prisma quartz]

just open the flood gates, billions will perish

[upbeat tundra]

hey guys! im trying to be a lore accurate WW2 Italy with this division, how am i doing?

[prisma quartz]

special forces?

[haughty sail]

What am I looking at

Exactly

[prisma quartz]

so many tanks?

[brazen marsh]

i see bc actually im 16 and bought the game five days ago but before it i was watching some guys on youtube playing it but i didnt thought i will be this hard

[haughty sail]

Why u got horses?

[upbeat tundra]

im tryna be a accurate italy

[brazen marsh]

it very hard

[upbeat tundra]

a ww2 accurate italy

[upbeat tundra]

ehhh

[prisma quartz]

It was easier to learn 5 years ago.
There is still a crazy learning curve attached to all pdx games. Especially this one.

[winter fulcrum]

once i invaded britain as germany and i thought i was gonna win until they naval invaded and somehow had like 30 heavy tank divisions while i had all of lower britain

[haughty sail]

When naval template

I want to make my own naval template not design more

[prisma quartz]

Just focus on div design, research, NF and construction for now

[upbeat tundra]

balkan entente and greater east asian prosperity sphere

mmmmm

[haughty sail]

Ngl this be cursed

[prisma quartz]

I have just asked the devs, they told me in ex10^10^1000^10000 years

[upbeat tundra]

if u wanna play an accurate ww2 italy its very simple

[haughty sail]

UGHHHHH

[upbeat tundra]

start by making divs like this

for lore accurate italy experience

also be sure to lose 500k men in greece

[bleak cove]

rate 1 / 10

[prisma quartz]

don't fret, as far as we understand physics, this moment in time should arrive.

[upbeat tundra]

doomscroller meets unscrollable thumbnail

[haughty sail]

When the Siam dlc arrives i shall take over China

[vapid quartz]

hoi4 anyone?

[winter fulcrum]

oof

[brazen marsh]

i watched lots of tutorial about it but still hard

[severe lion]

its 00 41 rn

[winter fulcrum]

sure

[prisma quartz]

There is Chinese Suplements to make you better at HOI 😂

[severe lion]

praying to god for tmrw

[vapid quartz]

all dlc?

[winter fulcrum]

yep

[prisma steppe]

mods the individual is still messaging me

[bronze glade]

the great trial is there

[severe lion]

don't know wha to expect

[winter fulcrum]

u messaged me back too

[severe lion]

fuhrerreich?

[prisma quartz]

@winter fulcrum last warning for ya

[upbeat tundra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/withdrawal-hoi4--k01KRHR1JB6HKCMWM90GPB40NZA

[brazen marsh]

ok i will check about it

[upbeat tundra]

dont accually make those divs

its a joke

[severe lion]

I genuinely cant stand russians

[prisma quartz]

thats a joke template btw

[upbeat tundra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/social-credit-uvazenie--k01KRHR306FTSX6NEFEY7ZB9P24

[severe lion]

once my acc got stolen

[brazen marsh]

where

[upbeat tundra]

no no its musolinis favorite

[severe lion]

I constantly deleted millennium dawn russian translation mods

[brazen marsh]

ah ok

[severe lion]

always the russians

[prisma quartz]

that was a joke too, stick to tutorials xD

[severe lion]

or tfr

[upbeat tundra]

oh and play as canada

[prisma quartz]

I learned HOI by... I don't remember.

[severe lion]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-dectetor-gif-7223813212361486768

[haughty sail]

Isnt this borderline religious talk

[severe lion]

ERONG STICKER

NO

[prisma quartz]

It features bugs bunny, thus it is

[upbeat tundra]

yeah idk so much of my hoi4 knowledge just kinda stuck in my head

[severe lion]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-buzzer-gif-2734535025370049889

[brazen marsh]

😭 😭

[prisma steppe]

😭

[upbeat tundra]

like its like learning english

[haughty sail]

Karl stop being the way u r

[upbeat tundra]

1 percent from class, 20 percent from yt

[prisma quartz]

Karl, actually just reas the rules...

[upbeat tundra]

79 percent spawned in

[severe lion]

may I ask who he is

yoo stresses to know

[prisma quartz]

And stop bothering me here about them.

[haughty sail]

An idiot basically idk

[upbeat tundra]

how does one reas the rules

[severe lion]

too stressed

[haughty sail]

#server-rules

[prisma quartz]

#server-rules

[haughty sail]

Wut?

[upbeat tundra]

now i have to watch this

[haughty sail]

Wtf

[severe lion]

random ahh kid on tiktok

[upbeat tundra]

hes def inbred

[bronze glade]

tno hoi4

[severe lion]

oh

[prisma quartz]

please don't post infants here

[severe lion]

infants?

[heavy vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/puppy-yearn-puppy-cute-puppy-small-puppy-kikiseal-gif-10045532674000578909

[prisma quartz]

*kids thats doxxed themselves to the world because they don't know any better

[haughty sail]

Casey buy me an Korean restaurant

[severe lion]

oh mb

[upbeat tundra]

LUUUUNNNNNCHHH

[severe lion]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-gif-26040184

[prisma quartz]

Hi Casey!

Ciao everyone

[haughty sail]

Has my ticket been read?

[severe lion]

is he urs

[heavy vigil]

dont have the money

[haughty sail]

Sounds like an you issue

[prisma quartz]

wait

[heavy vigil]

do you want me to lie

[severe lion]

is that golden retriever or?

[haughty sail]

Its not a report. It's for sum else

[severe lion]

or he not urs

[heavy vigil]

no.. its just a cute gif,,

[severe lion]

awh

samn it

damn

[upbeat tundra]

and it looks like LUNCH

[heavy vigil]

bye avemew 👋

[severe lion]

https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-credit-social-уважение-плюс-уважение-gif-1626328442317885176

[heavy vigil]

thats rude :(

[upbeat tundra]

yk what else it is?

[violet copper]

Hi chat

[upbeat tundra]

t a s t y

[violet copper]

I’m literally such a chud

I’m making a chud mod for my chud game based on a chud mod for a chud game

[upbeat tundra]

hi chud im dad

[haughty sail]

So ur the chuddiest chud chudder chud of a chud?

[prisma steppe]

but mods i got a serios question, how does one apply for a sticker for the server?

[upbeat tundra]

alright i found out

[prisma steppe]

we need the TNO refrence sticker

[upbeat tundra]

king charles is just over 10 percent inbred

[severe lion]

genuinely what millennial created tenor

https://tenor.com/view/why-persian-room-cat-guardian-but-why-trendizisst-anyaboz-gif-2156104475561014590

what the hell is this

ha ha ha this is unbelievably funny!

[prisma steppe]

i think its a lemur thingy

[severe lion]

I mean the corniness

its kinda obviously used by either 10 year olds or grandmas

[heavy vigil]

i believe chak adds them? but its always self made iirc

i forgot though

[violet copper]

A The fire rises mod from HOI for New Campaign Trail is the chuddest thing ever made

[prisma steppe]

minimum 13

[severe lion]

I have this one friend that couldn't fit in so I genuinely tried helping him

[prisma steppe]

IS THAT A TFR REFRENCE?!?!?!?

[severe lion]

added him to the gc

cant say the name out loud obv

[wet flicker]

i declared war on belgium but they just dont attack
anything i can do to bait them without having to lose my entrenchment

[severe lion]

they made fun of him so he removed them from the group

[wet flicker]

im playing as luxemborg

[severe lion]

n ice

[upbeat tundra]

sounds about right

[severe lion]

try to make them waste entrenchment

no

org

then encircle the lower left

and retreat

spam that

that's how I took them

do the same thing with netherlands by pulling back

I also remember a similar strat in a video

dont remember which

it was a pretty popular one either way

https://tenor.com/view/congratulations-congrats-good-job-well-done-good-gif-5695465315633224766

[wet flicker]

oh yea you're right

[severe lion]

just keep some units back

[prisma steppe]

isnt there the general ability to attack and not lose entrenchment? like the active one

[severe lion]

otherwise ur fried

[wet flicker]

siege arty?

[severe lion]

I think so but I forgot

[wet flicker]

or something else

[prisma steppe]

probing attack i think its called

[severe lion]

yeah

thats it

[wet flicker]

oh wth

how do i do that

[severe lion]

https://tenor.com/view/snoopy-yay-celebration-gif-11204653805465045590

[severe lion]

what

[wet flicker]

probing attack

[violet copper]

https://tenor.com/view/patriot-front-blueshirts-true-tfr-real-american-patriots-gif-9752463694876005271

[severe lion]

its genuinely so unfunny that its funny

[severe lion]

not rlly possible as Luxembourg

u need specific requirements for the trait

[wet flicker]

oh

[severe lion]

just stick to last stand

[wet flicker]

well using a troop from the bottom state to attack from the top state then retreating worked

[severe lion]

they can't break trough while ur attacking

[wet flicker]

good thinking

[violet copper]

Ngl TFR actually sucks

But

It’s a good what if

But holy shit

[severe lion]

holy

[violet copper]

It’s ass

[severe lion]

someone with an actual opinion

https://tenor.com/view/gohan-its-so-peak-gohan-crying-gohan-its-so-peak-peak-gif-11211568239007237362

[prisma steppe]

TRF is a more fun expirence then TNO

[severe lion]

only if u play 1 of 5 countries

other 1s have no tree

just play millennium dawn atp

[prisma steppe]

millenium dawn is lagmaxxing sim

[wet flicker]

now we're cooking

[severe lion]

played it and immediately got bored

[violet copper]

The fire rises gives the average conservative like 0 reason to not think the Patriot front is a better version of the Republican Party. Because the fire rises just wanted to include them as an edgy party so didn’t do anything to actually look in to them

[prisma steppe]

if we goin there we can play vici3 and be done with it

[severe lion]

oh ur following that guy's strat

I recognized cuz planning bonus on germany

[wet flicker]

which one

[severe lion]

I forgot

[wet flicker]

im doing some shi i learned from jaush

[severe lion]

but its the only commie one

[severe lion]

yes that one

[prisma steppe]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2962039210&searchtext=TNO

[severe lion]

lowk basic tho

anyone can do it

if they actually analyze the tree

[violet copper]

The real patriot front has defacing memorials be their hazing challenge for new members. you wouldn’t know any of that shit from in game cuz there too wholesome chungus

[severe lion]

the bypasses he does are genius tho

could never think of them

[feral spear]

do empty carriers still work

[severe lion]

no

easily countered

[feral spear]

in SP

[severe lion]

meh

depends

on uk hell no

uss also

any other country prob

they fried my empty carriers

[feral spear]

ok I figured , tried that as France but Im assuming they're hard coded to leave their fleet in the channel no matter what

[severe lion]

yeah

they leave their fleet wherever you make a plan

I barely land them as germany

also they never leave the channel

[feral spear]

Ill see if I cant invade through the North Sea
If I cant Ill restart and go all in on paratroopers

[severe lion]

they leave almost anything besides it if there are bombers

[severe lion]

decent ides

idea

use heavy fighter naval bombers

expensive but do the job

watch out for agility tho

or wtv its called

I miss old hoi4 navy

it was so easy as 1939 germany

every upd I play it

this one i barely beat them with nav bombers

the navy is so shit

and tanks are even worse

3 motorized 1 tank

what the hell are we even making

[feral spear]

Im not even gonna lie bruh

I just put light tanks in my infantry div and call it a day

[severe lion]

no no

get medium or heavy

if ur armor is above their piercing im pretty sure they get bad modifiers for attaci

attack

[feral spear]

thats what Im building but I had like 1200 light tank stockpile

[severe lion]

sell it lowk

[feral spear]

so I said screw it and put a light tank in every one of the motorized divs France starts with

[severe lion]

or make light tanks

[winter fulcrum]

whats a good med tank division for germany

[severe lion]

which game

early

mid

[winter fulcrum]

mid-late ig

[feral spear]

Just bring that breakthrough number up as high as possible twin

[severe lion]

do 10 medium 10 motorized and armored companies

signal is a must

[mental mantle]

I FOOOOOOOOOOOKIN HATE TFR

[fading cairn]

Why

[mental mantle]

Jk
But they did ban me for talking about a potential path for south korea I thought of, joseon cybernation [its a real thing, a country entirely on the internet, run by a korean descendant of a korean king, and its actually recognized by the government of antigua and barbuda]

[fair horizon]

Speed > breakthrough

[mental mantle]

son

[fading cairn]

😭

[fading cairn]

What level of stupidity are you on bru

[feral spear]

NGL I do not optimize for speed after like 8kmh

[fading cairn]

This person really said speed over bt

[feral spear]

Twin your mot. cannot go fast enough for you to be caring

[fading cairn]

What mot

[feral spear]

trolling the new players

[fading cairn]

Use mech with tanks

[upbeat tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/gabagool-shon-son-im-crine-james-gandolfini-sopranos-gif-5632752440652965130

[feral spear]

I know you should use mech but I like never do

[fair horizon]

You'll never stop me from mobile warfaring

[feral spear]

After 1939 I turn my brain off

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/pray-mad-max-fury-road-praise-cheer-celebrate-gif-10224262869702493445

[fading cairn]

Researching mech feels like sitting through a 3 hour movie

[feral spear]

ONG

Doing any macro after 1939 is HELL

[eternal aspen]

Japsterdam??!?!?

[feral spear]

Honestly after I cap France as Germany Ill be so lazy I decide to just max out infrastructure on all my states

"Im sure theres some benefit to this"

[fading cairn]

Son

[feral spear]

I know how to play the game okay Im just super lazy

[fair horizon]

NEVER

[safe wing]

What should I do as Monarchist Czechoslovkia

[fading cairn]

Mf i just thought i saw a star

Thats a drone

😭

[heavy vigil]

you move faster

[fair horizon]

Very big fast

I want my tanks to go the speed of my boats

[heavy vigil]

great for retreating indeed

[fading cairn]

Move faster, do less damage ✅️
Move slower, do more damage ❌️

[fair horizon]

You're beginning to understand

[fading cairn]

Im not agreeing with your opinion

[fading cairn]

This is such a dumb ass opinion

[fading cairn]

Is that a rabbit

In chainmail??

[heavy vigil]

yes

[fading cairn]

Okay

[fair horizon]

Too bad i read it wrong and will continue believeing you have

[fading cairn]

Im officially awake for 48 hours, time to kill my sleep schedule by watching aa make "fireworks" in the sky

I could film it

But ill go to jail for that

[split bane]

Anybody have any ideas on how to get the achievement Once More Mate?
My plan was to join the Cominterm and invade Turkey from the Soviets but turns out I couldn't actually declare war since I wasn't a major
Does anybody know a way to get around that

[prisma steppe]

i dont trust the chearnabog rabbit

[mental mantle]

Ok nvm tfr banned me for something very unfortunate
They said delete messages and I thought it was a joke or something lol

[fair horizon]

Ahistorical go whatever britian goes

Invade turkey

Grab gallipoli

Profit

[split bane]

Ok but how would that go around not being a major to declare wars?

(Also I didn't know that was a rule until now)

[fair horizon]

shouldnt need to be? Just not be a puppet

[split bane]

Might have been the faction rule in the Cominterm

Actually, I could just try it with NCNS turned off

[feral spear]

bruh there are too many achievements these days I cant even find it

wtf 270 achievements

[split bane]

It's the one where Australia needs to take a state in Turkey

[fair horizon]

Gallipoli

[feral spear]

Oh the Gallipoli one

[split bane]

I was thinking that I could get it and then Australia Hungary right after and get all the Aussie achievements before TaoG comes out

[fair horizon]

I am australia player btw i play nothing but australia

[split bane]

Erm akhually Gallipoli isn't a state in the game ☝️ 🤓

[feral spear]

Im so ass at HOI4 these days holy

[fair horizon]

is that mymy

[feral spear]

No

[haughty sail]

....

ur not allowed to post political symbols. that german flag aint allowed in here

(not mini modding)

[fading cairn]

Holy shit

What are these ratios

[haughty sail]

@uncut pollen

[maiden bolt]

well looks like i gotta remove history

[uncut pollen]

no nazi flags/imagery please.

[fading cairn]

Also, blur the swastika next time, youre gonna get in trouble for posting this

[sudden thistle]

Bro rlly tried to sneak in El Salvador

[maiden bolt]

i forgot that i still have that mod in

[azure walrus]

is germany coded to dismantle maginot if they get alsace lorraine

[cedar kite]

Also maybe with bftb off to avoid having the leader that gives 200% longer justify time

[ember vine]

This EU bottle deposit thing is so bullshit people literally search for bottles in trash cans just to buy alcohol

What focus path did eu take

-100 000 manpower

[azure walrus]

lowkey vichy france might be busted

[terse skiff]

Not really

Pp bonuses don't matter in 1941

[azure walrus]

fahh

[azure walrus]

im in 1936 tho

[terse skiff]

Oh well that might be different then

[azure walrus]

can i set up troops in africa to prevent degaulle from stealing it

[split bane]

The bottle deposit ain't that bad
As long as you return your bottles you get you small boost back
Same kind of dopamine hit like tax returns

[ember vine]

It's about promoting alcoholism

Not the fact that I just threw out a few pennies

[azure walrus]

also removed all of french starting debuffs

[terse skiff]

No it's scripted

Free France will start a coup event in a region and the region might agree

[split bane]

Yeah that... doesn't happen? Like I've seen homeless people grab a few bottles to return but it doesn't promote alcoholism
If anything the homeless grabbing bottles to make some money gets the trash off the streets

[ember vine]

There was this really smelly dude at lidl with an entire shopping trolley of bottles ready to insert them into that machine and buy more beer so kids on the street can watch how a man ruins his life with pints

[split bane]

Like if they were gonna spend money on alcohol anyway the bottle deposit system isn't promoting it

[azure walrus]

op ass advisor

[ember vine]

It's now a lot easier for them to earn money this way

[split bane]

It's random, ish

[ember vine]

They drink more and show themselves in such state to the public

[hard depot]

How can I stop Motorized being kringe?

I'm playing Motorized only today, how can I stop ts being kringe.

[split bane]

So that isn't promoting anything
It's promoting people returning their trash so there's less garbage on the streets
Maybe instead of blaming the bottle deposit we can blame the other reasons why people are drinking themselves to death

[ember vine]

I can only blame communism in my country

almost 30 years ago

[sudden thistle]

What are u arguing about

The bottles for money thing?

[ember vine]

Yes

[sudden thistle]

It makes sense

Gives an incentive for lazy people to clean up

[ember vine]

How does it make sense if you on a walk far from home

And you buy shit

You waste tons of money

[fading cairn]

Carry the bottle with you

[ember vine]

This looks so stupid

[fading cairn]

Or just find a place with the things that take the bottles

[sudden thistle]

U could also just throw it away in a trash bin or something

[fading cairn]

On your way

[sudden thistle]

Still a lot better than just leaving it on the ground for others to clean up

[ember vine]

Alr this is a hoi4 channel lets talk about somethin else

[sudden thistle]

Only if there was an off topic channel…

Only if…

[ember vine]

Best strategy to unite germany as Volga Germany?

[fading cairn]

Youre hopeless

[ember vine]

[restive sable]

what compels one to do this

[fading cairn]

The same force that told bitt3rsteel to save germany on the 27th of april 1945

[ember vine]

Adolfino Hilterovich from Volga Germany when Germany

[fading cairn]

I just remembered that you can make adolf the leader of ukraine in the mod ukraine above all

[ember vine]

Señor Hilter from argentina joined the chat

When will there be an adolf comeback to germany achievement where you conquer Germany as Argentina with that suspiciously looking non-former nuzy guy on the argentinian throne

[fading cairn]

Why cant paradox just make a soviet overhaul

[ember vine]

Why not a Volga Germany focus tree

[fading cairn]

Thw ssr's were de-facto self governed but heavily influenced by the kompartiya

[ripe slate]

No Step Back

[ripe slate]

If they have 0 foreign policy independence you can ask yourself if they should exist on the map

[fading cairn]

Well the ssr's do become members of the UN but who cares

[finite plume]

Hey Marijn

[ripe slate]

Hey Aali

[ember vine]

Volga Germany Ironman mode german reunification challenge today

[calm shell]

does anyone else hate alt history mods that overcomplicate the game and the economy mechanics? im starting out the new order but lowkey might just not because of all this economy bullshit

[ember vine]

I AM the neighbor's kid

[finite plume]

Do you think I should add Flevopolder as an island for my mod?

[fading cairn]

Yeah, millenium dawn

[ember vine]

Okay that sounded off

[fading cairn]

I dont think the island existed in 1936

[finite plume]

It's 2025

[fading cairn]

Ahh

[ripe slate]

I think the map scale isnt sufficient to have it nicely separated unless you mess with the shaders

[finite plume]

Ah alr

[calm shell]

like this is just overwhelming i might just play r256 or kaiserredux instead

[finite plume]

I could maybe use a river or something

Though even then that might be too wide for how narrow the canals are

[fading cairn]

Play md and downliad all kinds of submods

[finite plume]

MD is incompatible with like 90% of its submods 😭

[fading cairn]

Tf

How

[finite plume]

It's a very delicate mod

[calm shell]

im not necessarily looking for modern day mods just alt history mods pre 1990s

[finite plume]

Every update changes it drastically for sub mods

The director's cut version literally became an entirely new mod instead

[fading cairn]

Just like paradox does to nudger every updat3

[finite plume]

Cause they didn't wanna have to keep confining to MD's updates

Idk if I should keep Coal on here. I know it's a Fossil fuel but it'd kinda remove the whole strategic value of oil-rich countries when some state like West Virginia makes as much in coal

[calm shell]

mod authors genuinely are shooting themselves by designing unnecessary mechanics that complicate the game further. like no one wants to deal with that unless theyre some ultra nerd and unemployed

[finite plume]

This is HOI4, those two names describe like a solid chunk of the community 🙏

[calm shell]

the autism is strong in this community 😭

[finite plume]

Also you hopped onto TNO, what'd you expect

That's more like a novel than a game ATP

[calm shell]

it looked interesting but now im being pushed away with all this foreign mechanics

its like chinese to me atp

[wet flicker]

finally got a good luxemborg run going on

but i forgot to change my economy laws

[spare horizon]

Hello.

[wet flicker]

idk if i should go extensive conscription or partial mob since im on civilian economy

[fair horizon]

Extensive and up economy

Unless you dont need manpower

[wet flicker]

yea im on 0 manpower rn

436 recruitable

[fair horizon]

Did you form the benelux formable?

[wet flicker]

yup

i was getting advisors not even thinking about my economy laws for a second

luckily i had 150 to jump to limited conscription at least and still have political correctness to give me 200 pp

but man

i think im slow for real

im over here using my puppets for manpower

[honest glacier]

benelux doesnt have much manpower because the dutch and belgians are homosexuals

[wet flicker]

seriously

but german moms push out soldiers as soon as they're born

[ripe slate]

https://tenor.com/view/belgium-flag-femboy-astolfo-gif-12903415965316889922

[wet flicker]

i think they come out the womb with infantry equipment III

[finite plume]

There's always a solution

[fair horizon]

I only played belgicia, i wont play the netherlands

[wet flicker]

netherlands is fun

but i wanna do a world conquest starting from luxemborg

[untold cove]

i dont remember this in my last playthrough 🥀

[round spindle]

thoughts

[fair horizon]

Bit slow ngl

[round spindle]

speed dont matter

[hard depot]

So the new Regimental Support companies basically disincentivizing small divisions?

[round spindle]

seems like it

[hard depot]

So basically this is reducing the effectiveness of garrisons on ports?

[untold cove]

is this a new update or smth

what is a regimental support company

[hard depot]

Uh.... We slap support companies on regiments

[wraith mauve]

7 mill casualties ain’t bad as USSR right

[hard depot]

That means....

[wraith mauve]

against Germany

[lapis snow]

upcoming stuff

[hard depot]

NO MORE LINE ARTILLERY TORTURE

[lapis snow]

out next month

[untold cove]

ugh

[hard depot]

LET'S GO

[untold cove]

now we have to use support arty instead of line arty

[hard depot]

Even better: Superheavy Artillery

LET'S GOOOOO

Siege Artillery Doctrine boutta be HYPE

[untold cove]

new doctrines too?

[hard depot]

Nah

It's only RSC and the Division Designer rework

[untold cove]

superior firepower stocks after this update 📈 📈

[fair horizon]

Mabye to you it doesnt

[hard depot]

Siege Artillery doctrine after this update 📈

[safe wing]

artillery fans rise up

[wraith mauve]

Do casualties matter as Russia

[hard depot]

CAS after this update 📉

[safe wing]

lol no

[hard depot]

Imagine slapping AA support on each regiments without the need of slapping Line AA

A M A Z I N G.

[untold cove]

i honestly enjoy field engineering

or assault artillery

[lapis snow]

might actually have to make more than 4 templates if this stuff is impactful enough

[untold cove]

does anyone use line aa tho

cant be me

[surreal mist]

very common in mp

you kinda have to to get enough air attack

[hard depot]

You need that shit for piercing and AA

[untold cove]

bro use line anti tank at this point 😭 🙏

[hard depot]

Brother it's versatile

AA and AT, no need for AT

[untold cove]

just get aa tanks

ig

[heavy vigil]

whats being changed

i havent read

[hard depot]

Regimental support companies

[heavy vigil]

someone fill me in im on my hoi break rn

[heavy vigil]

ranger recon dying 💔

my goat

[hard depot]

Wait so basically... There's no line of support companies and we're basically putting support companies under regiments?

[heavy vigil]

no

theres 2

[hard depot]

Thank god

[heavy vigil]

so say, flame tank, ranger recon

you can put under the batallions

from what i can tell

and then stuff like support artillery are per division

[eternal aspen]

Wait you mean to say that line arty will have more of a use than "you absolute idiot"?

[heavy vigil]

never

[fair horizon]

Chat they're giving australia a focus for something to do with carriers. HMAS Sydney is the name of the focus

[eternal aspen]

Yea, His Majesties Australian Navy Sydney

[lapis snow]

they would have to solve the width, HP and stat scaling to make it good. Same way certain mods do

[eternal aspen]

There's a doctrine for that

But it makes it pretty much useless

[lapis snow]

still doesn't make it worth over the alternatives

[eternal aspen]

Its a Leander class cruiser

[hard depot]

Yes but it's better with SH Artillery

[fair horizon]

No theres a focus in the new naval part of the tree if you look on the steam page that shows some of it

Also a new flag for australia

[eternal aspen]

Yea, but it wouldnt be the Sydney unless its alt hist

[fair horizon]

Yeah i know

[eternal aspen]

Anyways ima wait for the dlc b3fore I look at the content, mostly bc I dont wanna get my hopes up

[fair horizon]

Except it could also be the HMAS Syndey carrier

[hard depot]

Here lies ranger recons

🪦

Gone but never forgotten

[heavy vigil]

nah itll just be debuffrd

rn

its 15 support equipment

huge buffs to terrain

[hard depot]

There's also this

[heavy vigil]

i think/hope all terrain will have increased cost

[eternal aspen]

Probably, its a 1944 light carrier

[hard depot]

The less battalions, the less effectiveness

[heavy vigil]

but if they do it poorly

then like

nothing ever happens

[fair horizon]

Still pretty cool they're doing a focus for it

[eternal aspen]

Fr, though they still gotta fix the british and american trees

90% of their content is sitting there.. menacingly

[hard depot]

Nothing but bare bones US tree lol

[azure walrus]

are these worth doing

[eternal aspen]

Look at what they give

[lapis snow]

70 days for 2x random tech bonus you don't need

[hard depot]

230 days to wait, also not a good timing placement

3 focuses take about 210 days

[surreal mist]

i hope to god they don't make the terrain bonus support companies regimental

i am on my knees

[hard depot]

So we're wasting 20 days to wait for a new focus

[surreal mist]

praying

[eternal aspen]

Because you got that tech 5 years ago

Bc 6 tech slots

[lapis snow]

exactly

US tree is like 50% fluff you don't ever do, or only take absurdly late when you're out of focuses to take

[eternal aspen]

Nah just do continuous focus for construction speed

Because the stuff you dont do is either historical, communist, or fascist

[cinder parrot]

Do I need to touch grass if I win WW2 as Germany before 1940?

[eternal aspen]

Mo

[hard depot]

I can't even speed run the US getting out of Undisturbed Isolation without Congress ruining my day

[heavy vigil]

for balance, i hope they do

[cinder parrot]

I defeated the UKs navy

[heavy vigil]

tbh

[eternal aspen]

Winning before 1940 is easy, its really just hard to get there historically

[eternal aspen]

And? Navy after NCNS is easy

[heavy vigil]

but realistically they might just do it the opposite way

[cinder parrot]

I don’t do historical focuses sometimes

[feral cobalt]

what is the longest time somebody played hoi4

[misty fossil]

1 second

[heavy vigil]

make things like support artillery regimental and terrain buffs divisional 🥀

[cinder parrot]

I don’t even do adopt a new panzer doctrine

[eternal aspen]

REALLLL

[feral cobalt]

💔

[cinder parrot]

Prussian legacy

[hard depot]

This I goddamn agree.

[feral cobalt]

my profile says it

[heavy vigil]

ive played until 2058 once

[feral cobalt]

nice

[heavy vigil]

no like i dont want them to do that

[cinder parrot]

I always do The Prussian Legacy because I mostly use infantry

[hard depot]

I've played until 1980

[cinder parrot]

And because I’m the kaiser

[feral cobalt]

@heavy vigil i meant by hours tho mb for lack of clarification

[hard depot]

Then my laptop died and I had to get a new one lol.

[heavy vigil]

idk

[cinder parrot]

Afked the 1984 mod until 1992, where is my damn anti revolution?!

Supposed to happen 1985

Like straight AFKing

[fair horizon]

Tbh i think the british tree is worse

[feral cobalt]

chad afking

[fair horizon]

It has double the fluff

And half of them are navy ones

[heavy vigil]

australia tree worse

[fair horizon]

And you have the biggest navy in the world

[hollow raptor]

💀

[fair horizon]

Casey im excited because they let us see the military trees

[lapis snow]

their historical routes are pretty similar, focuses take too long, rewards don't scale with the rest of the game due to power creep

[heavy vigil]

im not gonna be invested into hoi for probably like another month im sorry XD

you guys have to play fire brigade man

ive seen ask for help

[cinder parrot]

I love establishing Reichkommsariats

[heavy vigil]

theres some truly braindead posting again

[hard depot]

I'm busy on Shogun 2, maybe later.

[lapis snow]

its been rough

[cinder parrot]

Is it possible to turn France into a reichkommsariat

[heavy vigil]

its kinda crazy man i didnt think i was super important anymore in keeping the chat like, relatively fine for advice

but like idk, seems kinda bad again rn

[cinder parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/hoi4-micromanage-gif-20717885

[heavy vigil]

but whatever i gotta grind minecraft fr

also update

im cautiously optimistic?

but i highly doubt theyll actually change anything

in terms off the OP modifier stacking

which is like, just so bad

makes ai worse to play against, makes it harder for new players to learn

[surreal mist]

the modifiers should be reduced

[heavy vigil]

but i highly doubt thatll be reduced/fixed majorly

[surreal mist]

hoi4 should take a page from Stellaris, which recently had a massive nerf patch, reduced alot of the powercreep buildup

[fair horizon]

Yeah but they havent shown the new politcal tree

[surreal mist]

hoi4 would benefit alot from something similar imo

[fair horizon]

Or industry tree

[cinder parrot]

Yall, what’s the best military support division? Specifically national guard

Because yes I larp multiple military sectors

Only as Bulgaria though

[lapis snow]

the difference in trajectories and development between the two games are night and day

stell players have it good

[sudden thistle]

I think I have console edition Stella on gamepass

I can play it through the cloud

[fair horizon]

If by good you mean remove individuality from each origin/empire type sure

[karmic viper]

no matter how many people franco killed

you gotta admire the drip

[cinder parrot]

Stellaris is overpriced

I’ve played it and it’s boring

[fair horizon]

Stellaris is just a number stacking game now

[cinder parrot]

Even though I love Star Wars

[fair horizon]

Every planet is the same now

Every empire can do everything other empires can do

[cinder parrot]

The Star Wars mod for hoi4 is more enjoyable btw

[fair horizon]

Its just boring now

[azure walrus]

top decreases my air production by 25%, boosts reich air production by 5%, and changes occupation costs by -10% consumer goods
bottom cuts my recruitable population by 25%, boosts reich production efficiency by 10%, and changes occupation costs by -10% consumer goods

[safe wing]

Hoi4 bores me now

[raven lotus]

Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?

[safe wing]

Like I legit play Skyrim and Rome 2 with the divide et impera mod and have more fun than hoi4

Because in the latter for example I have to manage my economy and population

[cinder parrot]

Play total war

You manage your own troops in a battle directly

[safe wing]

Rome 2 is total war

[cinder parrot]

Get napoleon though

[safe wing]

I’m playing with the divide et impera mod

[cinder parrot]

It’s better

[safe wing]

Class based population mechanics and historically researched units

[maiden bolt]

Will the soviets take back Moscow

[sudden thistle]

Peak mention

[safe wing]

Will get it

[sudden thistle]

I despise the campaign though

[safe wing]

Eventually

[sudden thistle]

I mostly just do PVP battles

[safe wing]

Play the divide et impera mod for Rome 2 if you want a campaign

2 front war start as Rome

[sudden thistle]

Rome is a bit too old for my autism specialty

[safe wing]

Fair

[sudden thistle]

I will play it every now and then though

Total war pharaoh is ass though

[safe wing]

Agreed

Attila is underrated though

[mental mantle]

Yo, why did I start out as the owner of Barcelona? The only troops there was one cavalry I had in barcelona city and 7 republican troops in the same city, so just all stacked

[safe wing]

Probably the most rewarding campaign victory I had

[surreal mist]

Attila's optimization sucks

[eternal aspen]

Fr

[mental mantle]

Just get toolpack bro

Make your own little alt just

[eternal aspen]

Like everything i used to love playing, is now just absolutely boring

[mental mantle]

Easily

*alt hist

[eternal aspen]

Just do a mega

[safe wing]

I won as the western Roman Empire on very hard very hard

[mental mantle]

Really

[misty fossil]

You know ball

[safe wing]

I didn’t even kill Honorius too

I turned him into chadicus Maximus

From garbage Roman emperor of our timeline to restitore orbis 2.0

[safe wing]

@sudden thistle my absolute favorite total war moment

[sudden thistle]

This was mine

80% of the Skaven army came to touch me

[safe wing]

I saved the western Roman Empire in mine and rewrote centuries of European history

[mental mantle]

Is this how you take a screenshot?

Im 20 feet awy from my pc

[azure walrus]

is this good vichy french air plane

fighter

[mental mantle]

Idk

[lapis snow]

dreadful

best single engine, HMGs, extra fuel tanks, armor plates

[azure walrus]

i dont have half of that

also whats an hmg

[lapis snow]

heavy machine gun

[surreal mist]

its an inter-war airframe

[lapis snow]

thing with making fighters is that you need them cheap and effective, which means only like a couple of designs are "good". What you're making is more expensive and less effective than ai planes

[surreal mist]

he shouldnt even be making air if that's the state of his air research

[fading cairn]

I just pulled my second all nighter

[azure walrus]

i love how doing the early vichy thing essentially froze germany in 1936 since they cant do anschluss bc theyre at war

you dont have to diss me like that 😭

[ivory hull]

"STATE_461"

[azure walrus]

yeah ive had that glitch for a bit

i kind of live with it atp

[ivory hull]

theres a way to fix it

btw

[azure walrus]

check integrity of game files or smth right

[ivory hull]

you first have to go to documents/paradox interactive/hoi4/localisation/english and delete that and then verify

worked for me

[azure walrus]

delete the "english" folder?

[ivory hull]

delete whats in the folder

[azure walrus]

ok

[fickle thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-cat-gif-12535219569916731430

[mental mantle]

How I feel when I research 1944 technology in 1940 [Im getting 99% red bubbles]

[cinder parrot]

Dw, just ~roic

Also losses are base on the division template misty

[fickle thicket]

what have u been doing

[plucky sparrow]

nice job

[fickle thicket]

they aint even capped tho

[plucky sparrow]

ww1 simulator

[maiden bolt]

the soviets is gonna take back moscow

[fickle thicket]

WHAT ARE THOSE DIVS

they aint even fully equipped

fall back to the stalin line gng you are not in a position to attack

[maiden bolt]

im playing as the usa bro

[fickle thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[maiden bolt]

im betraying Germany im helping the soviets

[lapis onyx]

God i wish i had my italy save where it seemed both britain and usa went full monkey with navy

[hard depot]

Question: Why are we slapping bomb sights onto fighters?

[maiden bolt]

The Second Battle of Moscow

[azure walrus]

Idk

[mental mantle]

Who won?

[dusky burrow]

Direct rule from new Rome

[dusky burrow]

I imagine the Soviets won tbh, but only by a small margin

It's moreso Verdun basically

[maiden bolt]

the soviets havent won yet but they are winning Both sides are taking SO many Casualties germany 12M Deaths Soviets 13M deaths

[hard depot]

The deciding RNG factor

YES

LET'S GO

[dusky burrow]

Like I've defeated the Allies with like 12 million casualties, 12 million vs 13 million casualties is insane (this is 28 days before i capitulated the usa)

[dusky burrow]

nice

12.10 million to be precise

[lapis onyx]

No when i say insane im like 99 percent sure like 90 percent of their pop was on navy vessals

[dusky burrow]

oof

[mental mantle]

Yall seeing this?

[dusky burrow]

i'd imagine that'd crash the game though, that's at least 1000 vessels in the navy

and probably closer to 10000 at that

[viscid mason]

No lmao

[finite plume]

The bloom has more pixels than the screen bro 😭

[azure walrus]

i degausse bro 🥀

[cinder parrot]

I remember a hoi4 mod I played and Indiana was literally kkk. Why

Why

Why the KKK?

[azure walrus]

why do vichy foci take so long

your taking too long

🎃 😢

yo italy isnt doing too bad

[cinder parrot]

Italy performs horribly

[dusk knoll]

is it possible for generals to actually die??

[cinder parrot]

No

[dusk knoll]

that ENTIRE palestinian part is encircled btw

[azure walrus]

friendship ended with vichy france, calais france is germany's new best friend

[azure walrus]

how tho

[dusk knoll]

no supply

[azure walrus]

ig

[cinder parrot]

Only can “die” via disposal or them joining the next side of a civil war

[dusk knoll]

wdym you guess gng

[azure walrus]

idk i expected someone to build supply there

[dusk knoll]

it would be a cool feature if they like died sometimes

[cinder parrot]

Only exception is the German civil war where you can use them later

[dusk knoll]

like rarely

[dusk knoll]

supply only works if connected with capital

[azure walrus]

what about ports

[dusk knoll]

and they probably dont have naval superiority in the med

[cinder parrot]

Just imagine seeing your best general die because he messed up a single battle

[azure walrus]

btw is it normal that when I became vichy, syria and lebanon became independent and joined back the allies

[dusk knoll]

it would just be a rare occurrence

[cinder parrot]

I don’t want my gens dying mid battle dude

[dusk knoll]

ok but killing the enemies general would be awesome

[cinder parrot]

Average day in the balkans when I play Bulgaria is literally stalingrad

[cinder parrot]

Very few nations have that as a decision, which it’s a popup event, one of which is Germany

Requires you to win the civil war as the opposition to the NSDAP though

[azure walrus]

austria did this on historical

neat

[cinder parrot]

Stop playing France son.

[dusk knoll]

that happens when you dont anschluss

[azure walrus]

no

[azure walrus]

yeah, germany has been at war since 1936(its 1939 rn) so they havent been doing stuff

[dusk knoll]

chat i just realized if you delay anschluss for a long time and let them annex hungary will you get hungary as well?

or do you only annex austrian cores

[cinder parrot]

France is so difficult if you don’t expand the Maginot

[azure walrus]

but what if germany hasnt been doing expansion

[cinder parrot]

On historical it’s guaranteed

https://tenor.com/view/sabaton-lyric-sabaton-lyric-video-sabaton-the-attack-of-the-dead-man-sabaton-attack-of-the-dead-man-gif-3502003009270266921

[azure walrus]

no it isnt, see my game

[cinder parrot]

Did you declare war on the Rhineland remilitarization

[azure walrus]

yes

i hope germany dismantled the maginot already

[dusk knoll]

why

[cinder parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-fool-yoda-youre-stupid-youre-an-idiot-gif-17949414

[dusk knoll]

genuinely why

[azure walrus]

i wanted to play vichy

[dusk knoll]

has to be the most useless ahh decision ever

[dusk knoll]

why

[cinder parrot]

I made a bunch a divisions as Bulgaria

[dusk knoll]

vichy prob more boring than usa

[cinder parrot]

National guard

Armed forces

Military police

[azure walrus]

quickly removes all my debuffs i think

[cinder parrot]

Each being a template

[azure walrus]

idk first time playing ironman france

[dusk knoll]

chat gonna play a quick germany game before bed

[azure walrus]

go historical but do the thing where france flips you democratic

[azure walrus]

also hes got a cool hat, do the others have a cool hat

[cinder parrot]

Do not adopt a new panzer doctrine

[dusk knoll]

why

[cinder parrot]

Its worse than the Prussian Legacy focus

[opal nymph]

Adopt new panzer doctrine because larp

[cinder parrot]

Most people just use infantry

[dusk knoll]

how bro

[opal nymph]

Also if you use tanks, it isn't actually that bad

[dusk knoll]

tanks are op

[cinder parrot]

Infantry are more versatile

[opal nymph]

Otherwise Prussian legacy buffs your inf

[dusk knoll]

especially for france

[opal nymph]

Tanks have speed and go vroom

[cinder parrot]

Tanks VS Support AT

[opal nymph]

Also firepower is nice

[opal nymph]

When does the ai use that

[cinder parrot]

More achievable with motorization

[cinder parrot]

Never

[dusky burrow]

I think the new panzer doctrine is probably better

[opal nymph]

Therefore tank good

[dusky burrow]

gives you a bunch of whole-army buffs

[dusk knoll]

true but with beefy mech they slam anyway

[opal nymph]

Also why use support at

Use support aa

[cinder parrot]

Prussian legacy is better if you don’t want tanks

[opal nymph]

But why not use tanks

[dusk knoll]

yeah but why would you not want tanks

[opal nymph]

Tanks good

[cinder parrot]

Tanks gobble up your fuel

[dusk knoll]

as germany youre probably going to have more production than manpower

[cinder parrot]

Which belongs to the navy

[opal nymph]

Okay? And?

[surreal mist]

maybe not for sp tbh, prussian legacy gives you gun research bonus which is much better than tank research bonus

[opal nymph]

I have a ton of refineries

[cinder parrot]

A bug!!!

[opal nymph]

I don't have oil issues

Also trade with iran

[dusk knoll]

soviets can invade iran

[cinder parrot]

I max refineries and storage out for the massive ahh navies I have to build for the Plan Z buff

[opal nymph]

Plan Z buff?

150 naval xp?

[cinder parrot]

No

It is good if you hate Britain and wanna incinerate them before invading Poland

[opal nymph]

Plan Z gives you the Bismarck and Tirpitz a focus later which is all I need

[cinder parrot]

But what does a man need 100 destroyers for

[dusk knoll]

i like playing historical germany so ngl i just spam subs and steal soviet navy and then invade britain after

[opal nymph]

Screening bonus i guess

[dusk knoll]

or cruisers

destroyers are mid ngl

[opal nymph]

Have you thought of just patrolling your fleet in the English channel

[dusky burrow]

Okay yeah that's actually pretty good

[opal nymph]

And just winning the naval war right after fall of france?

[azure walrus]

it worked, petainist winning with this one

[dusk knoll]

oh yeah JUST do that

[cinder parrot]

I make 2 squads and use them purely for operation sealion

[dusk knoll]

JUST do it bro

[opal nymph]

Well i do and it works

So

[cinder parrot]

France takes longer to surrender for some reason

[dusk knoll]

how much industry do you put aside for navy

[opal nymph]

Literally 3 focuses

I don't even build any extra dockyards

[cinder parrot]

I average 60-90 ports as Germany early game

[dusk knoll]

so almost half a year

[azure walrus]

should i stay in the axis w/o joining the war or leave the axis

[opal nymph]

3 35 day focuses isn't that bad

[dusk knoll]

which ones

[opal nymph]

Strengthen kriegsmarine, plan z, the battleship one

[dusk knoll]

isnt it one 35 day focus and 2 70 days

[opal nymph]

That way I get Bismarck and tirpitz

Maybe you're right, idk

[dusk knoll]

its 140 days

[cinder parrot]

SPECIAL forces ahh doctrine

[dusky burrow]

2x50% for infantry weapons and 2x50% for artillery, as well as 15% attack and 10% breakthrough to infantry whenever you're in bewegungskrieg
By contrast adopt new panzer doctrine gives 2x100% for medium, 1 year ahead + 100% for heavy tank, 10% coordination, and 10% air superiority bonus in combat (plus 15% attack and 15% breakthrough for armor)

[opal nymph]

Eh, I get a 3/4 built Bismarck and Tirpitz

[azure walrus]

when you can't even say... my name...

[dusky burrow]

and with a tank division that's going to be effectively halved since only half your division is armor

[dusk knoll]

ok isnt trade interdiction and cruiser warfare for germany better??

because cruisers are already super good

[dusk knoll]

ok but realistically you dont really need the mp43 you can just stay on mp38

cause of production cap

[cinder parrot]

MP43 does more damage though

[dusk knoll]

yeah but if you rush mp38 and get max efficiency cap its not worth it to switch

[dusky burrow]

realistically mp43 vs mp38 is just so much better than an upgrade of a tank hull

[fair horizon]

Honestly goated focus

[azure walrus]

will the british guarantee if i justify on franco? its fascist on fascist crime so i thought not but i would like to know for sure

[dusky burrow]

eventually you do need to switch tbh

[dusk knoll]

not really

[dusky burrow]

and if you do want tanks then you get better guns too

[dusk knoll]

because if you get panzer doctrine and use it on the 1940 tank before you go into war you can get production cap

1940 medium i mean

[dusky burrow]

like upgrading tank hulls doesn't really do much

you really don't need anything more than interwar medium

yeah 1940 hull would do a bit better but not 30% better

to get 30% improvement you look into tank modules

[dusk knoll]

its way faster for base, has 100% reliability off rip and has 10 extra armor points

[opal nymph]

You know what makes it even more goated?

If you design a 1936 battleship hull with the name Bismarck Class, you get those being produced instead of the actual design the focus wants

Or is it Klasse...

One of the two

[cinder parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-big-brother-theory-conspiracy-theory-conspiracy-gif-14810917015813258640

Silence.

[opal nymph]

Wdym silence

Did I say trade secrets or something

[dusk knoll]

i mean for the mp43 you can slowly switch off of it to eventually get production cap but still

also ur mainly going to be using the infantry bonuses on support equipment or machine guns anyway

[dusky burrow]

sure but in real combat those don't matter that much