hoi4-general

[ivory hull]

you dont build infra in every state bro

[rich gulch]

Average third world country play through

[lusty shuttle]

i research the fuel stuff

[rich gulch]

I just import

[lusty shuttle]

can u explain trade in hoi4 easily if you can and know it

[rich gulch]

I use civs to import materials

[ivory hull]

you give 1 civ for 8 material

[sleek pollen]

not really tho, u still need to half ur navy to defend the medi and pacific, it takes effort to micro it

[lusty shuttle]

and materials are crucial right?

[rich gulch]

I just don’t like the uk, I don’t like having a big colonial empire

[ivory hull]

if you deathstack your fleet you just win

[unkempt orchid]

How do I grow my mod server 🙏

[ivory hull]

yea kinda

[rich gulch]

Obviously, if you don’t have mats you can’t make anything

Then if you’re in a war you’ll keep using equipment then eventually you’ll be in a deficit

[pine shale]

bro i wanted to invade hungary, world tension is 8% and they get garunteed by allies already??

[lusty shuttle]

and what do civs do

[rich gulch]

Build stuff

[lusty shuttle]

so more civs=?

[terse skiff]

build mils 3.5 years before the war

[rich gulch]

You can build more stuff at the same time

[terse skiff]

so for most countries you don't need to build civs

[rich gulch]

And build stuff faster I think

[rich gulch]

E.g. China

[lusty shuttle]

oh and construction costs many manpower

[terse skiff]

doesn't in hoi4

[rich gulch]

China is the hardest nation to play in hoi4 prove me wrong

[sleek pollen]

thats a bit streched for 1939 countries

[ivory hull]

bro thats just so wrong

[rich gulch]

How

What’s harder than China

[lusty shuttle]

luxemburg

[ivory hull]

china isnt even hard

[ivory hull]

a lof nations

[terse skiff]

so you don't build civs if you join war in 1939

[sleek pollen]

luxembourg

[rich gulch]

We do not consider unplayable nations

[sleek pollen]

ethiopa?

[rich gulch]

Arguably

[ivory hull]

id say iraq/iran are harder than china

[rich gulch]

Never tried them

[terse skiff]

you're insane if you're spending that 2civs to build a new civ for luxembourg

[sleek pollen]

i mean if ur axis, u get most of ur civs from conquering :p

[terse skiff]

you wasted 2 years of your ic

[terse skiff]

it applies for everyone

[sleek pollen]

alr

[terse skiff]

to maximize production before war you build mils 3.5 years before the war begins

[sleek pollen]

nvm im an idiot, yea ur right

[rich gulch]

China gets 1 year and 6 months

[terse skiff]

So you build mils

And maybe some forts

[rich gulch]

Unless you give them hebei

[cursive oxide]

LOL i killed Germany with in 1 year

as the frech

[terse skiff]

We've pretty much known this for like 2 yrs already

[rich gulch]

Shandong and shanxi is the most important defensive line in China

Shandong you have weihaiwei, you can blow the yellow river while having the river defense bonus, and if you lose shandong then Shanghai and nanjing are gone

Shanxi is just impenetrable mountains

Protecting Commie China

[sleek pollen]

the entire china is the defensive line tho, bad supply + no infas is ur best card against japan :p

[rich gulch]

The plains in the middle are definitely the worse

[terse skiff]

You can defend Beijing

[rich gulch]

I’ve literally held out the shanxi capital until 1944 it’s actually insane

[rich gulch]

What

[terse skiff]

If you lose that then you'll have to retreat far

[rich gulch]

Beijing?

You mean the city adjacent to Japanese land?

[sleek pollen]

yez

[rich gulch]

I’ve never seen anyone defend hebei

[terse skiff]

Yeah it has river and supply hub so try to delay Japan there for a long time

[vivid juniper]

If you’re fighting full united front, they can stonewall Japan around there

[rich gulch]

I just do a fallback line from the Shanxi mountains to the yellow river in Shandong

I just give up hebei and do scorched earth on the closest city there

[ivory hull]

if you deny the naval invasions your fine as china

[terse skiff]

Then you haven't seen enough yet

[rich gulch]

It’s mostly just shanghai and weihaiwei

[rich gulch]

I just looked up tutorials on youtube for my first few runs

It’s too frustrating

[terse skiff]

They're mainly for newbies

[rich gulch]

Which newbie would go out of their way and play China

And I would consider myself a newbie at 200 hours

[sleek pollen]

me tho :p

i have 400hours

[rich gulch]

Can someone actually answer my question I’ve wanted to know for so long

How do you get faction influence as China

You just keep losing it

I don’t know why

It says negative numbers for contribution

And I can’t get my warlords to become my subjects

And how do I know if they’re gonna accept or decline

[sleek pollen]

no compromise no surrender?

[rich gulch]

Yes

Please

Tell me

No one in this server knows

[sleek pollen]

aww too bad, i cant help u with that bud. iont have the dlc :,>

[rich gulch]

What

You play china without the dlc

[hybrid ocean]

simple, you conquer them instead like Mao intended

[rich gulch]

Then I have to wait until the war is finished

[hybrid ocean]

then finish it faster

[rich gulch]

And I can’t make them my subjects meaning I can’t request their forces

[rich gulch]

I’m in a 40k guns deficit

[sleek pollen]

ye ig

[rich gulch]

It’s a very good dlc

[hybrid ocean]

we did so before it came out.

[sleek pollen]

thats normal, dont mind the deficit, mind the frontline

[sleek pollen]

im broke

[hybrid ocean]

minmax industry

[hybrid ocean]

get a job

[sleek pollen]

YOOO is the Gate pfp?

[rich gulch]

I mean I can hold off the Japanese it’s not that hard it’s just kinda boring

[ivory hull]

you said china is the hardest nation bro

[hybrid ocean]

ITAMI DONO MENTIONED

[sleek pollen]

prolly later

[rich gulch]

This game isn’t that hard

Single player I mean

[sleek pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/nichijou-handshake-gg-gif-18433515486617063603

wassup gng!!

[hybrid ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-of-culture-meme-мем-anime-аниме-gif-25806248

[sleek pollen]

its not boring tho

[rich gulch]

You just defend

Until like 1942

[sleek pollen]

no, not just defend. do reverse invasion

[hybrid ocean]

ew a defense doctrine user

[rich gulch]

I do attack

But you can’t attack against the japs

[hybrid ocean]

i bet you use dispersed industry

[sleek pollen]

invade manchuria all the way to korea peninsula and invade the homeland japan

[rich gulch]

Actually I never used it

[hybrid ocean]

at least you have some reason left

[rich gulch]

I bet you do von neurath or whatever as Germany

[sly venture]

the template is actually moving

[hybrid ocean]

i have only done kaiser germany

[sly venture]

i never doubted you

[rich gulch]

I think you’re the type of guy to befriend Czechoslovakia

[rich gulch]

What

Ok this is too much stress for me I need to sleep it’s 1:42am

[sleek pollen]

u can make it better, try replaced those motorized with heavy tank that can go far as 4km/h

[ivory hull]

bro what is this

[sleek pollen]

let him have his fun bro

[sly venture]

actual peak

[ivory hull]

just use mech bricks atp

[hybrid ocean]

ngl, my tank divisions are just replacing the mech for tanks, then the mountaineers for mech and early game motorized, and if it's a fast div also might do motorized late game. but then as i gain more industry i just slap more of everything

[sly venture]

no

i hate infantry and tanks

and navy

and air

[hybrid ocean]

Fr, let us design some divs from time to time

[sly venture]

and vanilla

[ivory hull]

https://tenor.com/view/now-here's-a-guy-who-doesn't-know-ball-a-guy-who-doesn't-know-ball-nfl-nbc-al-michaels-gif-14648136056785327093

[hybrid ocean]

infantry is goated

mass assault is the best doctrine

[sly venture]

ok that was for the raig bait but

[ivory hull]

so we are wrong?

[sleek pollen]

i feel like ur not utilizing the speed of mech

such a waste tho

[hybrid ocean]

i mostly focus on speed and i mostly play broke countries like spain or chinese countries

so uhh

the best is heavies

[ivory hull]

bro no

[hybrid ocean]

most of the time i go fast mediums tbh

[hybrid ocean]

sometimes supply is doing more damage to you than the enemy

[ivory hull]

on inf?

are you fighting in like the middle of the ghobi desert

[hybrid ocean]

asia gave me PTSD.

[ivory hull]

just dont play asia lol

[hybrid ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/nalog-gif-25906765

[sly venture]

time for the soviet invasion

thanks

[wide osprey]

what are these ▶️ 🔽 ↕️ ↪️ ↙️ ⬇️ ↔️ 🔄 lines bro

[hybrid ocean]

that's for staying reich

[coarse hull]

a little bit of this and a little bit of that

[sly venture]

makes me look better at the game

[hybrid ocean]

just shift + field Marshall line, then maybe make a couple for tanks but id recommend waiting for the front to start getting frisky to see where it's better. Either way this hurts my brain

[coarse hull]

i hated this

[sly venture]

the mechanised are smashing the front lines

[pine shale]

is it worth spamming out untrained units so i can do this?

[winged field]

too many orders, not a true battleplaner

[wraith mauve]

Y’all think I have a good industry to fight a long term attritional war

[sly venture]

thorugh the urals

[lost dawn]

I still need to add the right support companies

but how is this for a start

[winged field]

dont use normal light tanks

they are weak

[pine shale]

how do i stop ppl revolting they are destroying my buildings

[lost dawn]

I plan on switching out the light tanks for medium tanks when I am able

[gentle briar]

whats a good special forces template (marines and mountaneers)?

[winged field]

preferrably produce them from start but that would be great, light spgs are fine for ic but mediums would be also preffered

[lilac ginkgo]

well

[lost dawn]

Working on it.

[lilac ginkgo]

first of all maybe release them

[lilac ginkgo]

I mean release everything but your cores

[safe wing]

Why did you name yourself after the medieval coinage Florins

[winged field]

rather do interwar mediums than light tanks

[lilac ginkgo]

maybe because it so happens to be my name

[safe wing]

Interesting

[lilac ginkgo]

is it

its a common name where I live

[sly venture]

thank is ready

[safe wing]

Not surprised penny is a worthless coin in the us and people have the name penny

[lilac ginkgo]

ive never heard of coins called florins before

we ve got a supermarket chain called penny here

[pine shale]

no why would i do that

[lilac ginkgo]

cause then you wont have revolts

[safe wing]

Was a thing in the Middle Ages that I learned from playing Medivial 2 total war

[pine shale]

but i want my country to be big

[lilac ginkgo]

thats nice

[sly venture]

500 million soft attack

[lilac ginkgo]

then people will revolt

[lilac ginkgo]

its 1000 but sure

[dense pine]

How

[lilac ginkgo]

are you dyslexic or just semi

[sly venture]

close enough

[lilac ginkgo]

I mean

[meager valley]

Nah goated secret path

[lilac ginkgo]

from a scale from 1 to 10 you re closer to 10 than you re to 1

so yeah

[dry abyss]

im super bored
got any idea on what to do

[lilac ginkgo]

yeah

have fun

how old are you

[dry abyss]

😔

15

[lilac ginkgo]

then idk do anything you like to do

[dry abyss]

i mean in hoi4

[lilac ginkgo]

uhhh

you could do a world conquest as any country but each war you win you just liberate the countries and you dont annex anything

and you dont take any navy or war reps

[lost dawn]

Just researched flame tanks but can't scroll down

[dry abyss]

move the designer gui anywhere

[lost dawn]

Nvm

Fixed

[dry abyss]

should fix

[lost dawn]

I simply saved the design

and then edited it again

Now what do I use flametanks for again?

[terse skiff]

Support company

[lost dawn]

I know

But for which divisions

[terse skiff]

Make the cheapest flame tank possible

Offensive

Defensive only needs two supports - support art and aa

[lost dawn]

Btw

Are amph tanks worth the trouble?

[terse skiff]

No

And amphibious drivers are okay but they're expensive and costs mil xp

[meager valley]

Miserable 😂

[meager valley]

People fr use flame tanks? I like them just can’t be bothered to make them every game

[terse skiff]

Uh what?

It's the most popular tank

[honest glacier]

flame tank is the goat

[meager valley]

Yeah I just don’t use it often.

[dry abyss]

flame tanks are super goated

so much breakthrough mannnn

[sly venture]

am doing this purely for the raig bait

[meager valley]

IG I’d rather use medics than flame unless I’m playing a country with OP manpower

Even so as Germany I’d rather use Stormtroopers.

[terse skiff]

Uh no breakthrough isn't the reason

Buffs are

No you need flames before hospitals for your offensive units

[dry abyss]

i know but i genuinely care more about the breakthrough
easy +80, doubles infantry breakthrough

so beautiful 🥹

[terse skiff]

You don't need breakthrough in sp

If your unit is 36w it will have enough breakthrough

[fallen hearth]

german is so cooked

[terse skiff]

Worry more about the terrain buffs, especially if you don't even know what breakthrough does

[night wasp]

is there a good guide on how to play minor nations?

[dusky burrow]

move your window up, that will help

[fallen hearth]

oh my god

[dusky burrow]

sometimes germany still wins which is wild

[lost dawn]

Nope.

[fallen hearth]

nah im actually going to tag them

give 10m man power

100k equipments

and see what happens

[terse skiff]

Why not just tag ger then annex all

[fallen hearth]

im finland bro

😭

[terse skiff]

😭

Twice Finnish goods tho

Yum yum

[sly venture]

HOLD THE LINE STARTING DIVSION

[mellow nimbus]

why does hitler look like that 😭

that aint what i remember

[dusky burrow]

if you're in this situation you can assign them to a new general and last stand

you might legitimately get there before the 7 days runs out

[mellow nimbus]

can someone actually answer this

why does hitler look like that

i swear he wasnt in the dark this much before

[dusky burrow]

is this road to 56?

or some other mod?

[mellow nimbus]

here are the mods i have

[dusky burrow]

also which country do you live in

[mellow nimbus]

Turkey

i have fast justification, player led peace conferences and thats basically it

wait i have theory

[fallen hearth]

what the

[dusky burrow]

probably something non-historical tbh

[mellow nimbus]

am i supposed to enable these

[dusky burrow]

could be

[lilac ginkgo]

rt56 path

I think

[patent thistle]

fun fact: there are 2 ways of being the fourth reich

[lilac ginkgo]

if you want irl german leafers then yes

[lilac ginkgo]

actually theres more

[mellow nimbus]

all content packs are free right

[patent thistle]

i know both fascist west germany and argentina

[lilac ginkgo]

you can become fascist germany as the volga

and theres an option to basically unite the mainland

[patent thistle]

that aint the fourth reich by name

i meant with the actual names

[lilac ginkgo]

yet you kill the third reich and you re still fascist

and you re still Germany

[patent thistle]

ye but if you unite germany you just turn into german reich not fourth reich by name

i meant that you have the actual name fourth reich

[lilac ginkgo]

its the same thing

it is the 4th reich even if the name just says german reich

but sure I get it

[patent thistle]

not the same for me here

<@&846894118219022336>

[tranquil dune]

yo wtf is this?

i got hacked

i didnt sent those

[lilac ginkgo]

also I didn't know west Germany even gets the name of 4th reich if you remake it fascist

[tranquil dune]

wtf

[lilac ginkgo]

yea change ur password

[tranquil hatch]

quickly change password and stuff

[lilac ginkgo]

And delete the photos

before you get banned

[uncut pollen]

Too late

[lilac ginkgo]

well

o7

[willow gull]

bro change your password ASAP

[brittle cypress]

they're in ask for help too lol

oh

gone now

[tranquil dune]

i changed it

[lilac ginkgo]

try to remove your other connected devices

[brittle cypress]

mods deleted your messages but didn't immediately ban you?

surprising

[lilac ginkgo]

and add 2fa

[uncut pollen]

You got it

[tranquil dune]

ok thanks guys

[lilac ginkgo]

he kinda mentioned he got banned

so

[tranquil hatch]

restart your PC also, it happened to a friend of mine and i think he gets access to everything in a "session" way, like he doesnt have your passwords but he can do many shit with everything you have opened

[brittle cypress]

i didn't see

[tranquil dune]

ok

[uncut pollen]

Activate 2fa

[lilac ginkgo]

even if he does if hes got some viruses

its over

[uncut pollen]

What a great timing

[sly venture]

BRO IS NOT democratic

[winter fulcrum]

Bruh people get so competitive over hoi4 its crazy

[tranquil hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/another-one-and-another-one-gif-13250129

[lilac ginkgo]

did you know that Kim Jong un is a proud liberal and respecter of human rights

Hes the leader of the DEMOCRATIC people's REPUBLIC of Korea

[winter fulcrum]

Broski cant handle that his life is so sad that he want to “prove a point” by saying 1v1ing someone with 800 hours while he has 6000

[lilac ginkgo]

how old are you

[winter fulcrum]

16

Hes like 24

[wide osprey]

is there any fking reason we can't destroy supply hubs, forts etc

[tranquil dune]

i think im good now thanks guys

[lilac ginkgo]

have you heard of ragebait

[winter fulcrum]

Hes falling for the ragebait

[lilac ginkgo]

son

[willow gull]

🤣🤣

[lilac ginkgo]

are you old enough to own a dog 💔

[willow gull]

you can

[winter fulcrum]

Yes bro what? Anyone can have a dog

[wide osprey]

you can damage it

only

[lilac ginkgo]

not really

[willow gull]

ah

[lilac ginkgo]

im not talking about just taking one from the streets

you gotta have papers for your dog

[willow gull]

why are you bringing up adopting a dog

why is that your go to for showing how young he is

[winter fulcrum]

Neither am i?

[lilac ginkgo]

not everyone can legally own a dog

is what I meant

[winter fulcrum]

Technically my mom owns my dog but like whats the point of bringing this up?

[lilac ginkgo]

because then you re just young

but yeah that guy really likes to be called unfle

uncle

[lilac ginkgo]

I dont get what I said bad?

[patent thistle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/eye-twitch-frames-KymorXwDdmvw4
whoever though it was a good idea to use MINT GREEN for an official EU website, i WILL find you.

[wide osprey]

hehe wait what

[sudden thistle]

6k hours is diabolical

[dusky burrow]

sheep's mod?

nah it isn't, but idk

[brittle cypress]

the czechs are fun

ww2 over before it starts

[ivory hull]

where did you get all that manpower from?

[ivory hull]

i think it is sheeps

[brittle cypress]

go up to limited on your own, use defensive preparations focus to get up to extensive conscription, plus the fort focuses for a bit more
also yeah i don't have the dlc

and removing the divided nation spirit

ok now ww2 is really gonna be over

[lethal ether]

now be the new germany and declare war on poland

and then blitzkreig through the benelux and capitulate france

and then invade the soviets

[lethal ether]

im pretty sure sheeps says something different in the black box

[sudden thistle]

im pretty sure sheeps has that feature (the 1st event)

[ivory hull]

last time that guy also played sheeps soviets

so im just guessing

[sudden thistle]

ig i just dont remember this in vanilla then

[ivory hull]

off of that

[lethal ether]

it isnt vanilla

[sudden thistle]

i just noticed he doesnt have baltics

[sly venture]

is this good

[sly venture]

very expensive tho

[sudden thistle]

doesnt go 30 km/h

[sudden thistle]

normal for tank divs dw

[ivory hull]

too big

[sudden thistle]

i would umm

[sly venture]

it goes 5 tho

[sudden thistle]

10/8
10 tank
8 mech

[sudden thistle]

replace engineers with that special forces version

[ivory hull]

use this

[sudden thistle]

forgot the name

[ivory hull]

pioneers bro

[sudden thistle]

ok bro

[sly venture]

i used this

[ivory hull]

wha

[sly venture]

(i only want this for the hardness)

[sudden thistle]

(ok)

[sly venture]

so my troops dont get pierced

[ivory hull]

thats defined by armor

hardness only determines how much soft/hard attack

is taken

[sly venture]

same thing

[ivory hull]

no, piercing is for armor, hard attack is for hardness

[sly venture]

world conquest with 1 division

[sly venture]

ive done it btw

dont judge a book by its cover @ivory hull

[ivory hull]

you couldnt name the difference between armor and hardness

[sly venture]

it was acting

[sly venture]

i did it using this template

its panzer

[terse skiff]

Not enough artillery

[high vector]

Romania Paths:

Monarchy Holds

• Hohenzollern Democracy, leads to European Union path or Constitutional Monarchy
• Hohenzollern Autocracy, gives claims on Transcarpathia, Debrecen, Alfold, Odessa, and puppet war goal on Bulgaria & Liberate Ukraine war goal on USSR. Also opens two secret paths,
• Romania-Germany, if Germany is not Monarchist then Carol or his successors can claim the German throne and former German Imperial lands, including the African colonies. German cores can be cored once conquered.
• Romanian Empire, Carol or his successors can choose to claim Rome, with the monarchist path granting either cores on Byzantium aswell as increases to Stability, consumer goods buffs and research speed. Alternatively, the maximal path grants only claims instead of cores, but to all of the Roman Empire (Including England, Iraq, Morocco, & everything up to the Rhine & Danube), while giving a debuff to stability, and buffs to war support, compliance gain and division org & recovery rate. The Monarchist Romanian Empire will be called "Imperiu Romania" with a new flag.

Fascist Paths

• Iron Guard Kingdom, historical path essentially.
• Iron Guard State, the Iron Guard seize full control, granting puppet war goals and claims against your neighbors aswell as the typical fascist buffs.
• Iron Guard Romanian Empire, immediately after the Monarch claims the Roman title, the Patriarch of Constantinople will request an audience with the Emperor. If the audience is refused or ends badly, an Iron Guard coup will fire, the option "Royal Guards Defect!" will kill Carol and install Michael as an Iron Guard puppet. Same foreign policy option as the Monarchist Imperiu Romania, but uses the Iron Guard main tree.

Democracy Paths

• Choose between Progressive Liberals & Conservatives, either allows EU or Balkan Federation, aswell as a path to expand the Little Entente.

Socialist Paths

• Establish the Union of Peoples Republics with Tito if Yugoslavia is already communist or by invading

[wide osprey]

huh

[terse skiff]

It's crazy that when you puppet Romania as USSR their fascist growth modifier doesn't go away

[high vector]

yea romania is a country that needs some attention

but they need a path to claim rome since romania literally means "romanland"

[velvet garnet]

I love hoi4

[high vector]

and a funny balkan path

[velvet garnet]

its hoi4ing time

[ivory hull]

nobody is playing romania tho

[high vector]

yes they are lmao

mfers out here doing Belgium games

ppl just dont play romania as much cuz their tree is old af

[ivory hull]

true

[high vector]

romania is one of the best minors too cuz they start with basically infinite oil

[frozen dragon]

I am interested in playing Romania

[high vector]

one of the only minors you can feasibly use tanks and a huge airforce with

[sly venture]

@ivory hull is this acceptable

[ivory hull]

id personally would add flame tanks or engineers and make it 36w

[velvet garnet]

is this for mp or sp

[ivory hull]

sp

[high vector]

if it's for mp then i guess helis + field hospitals makes sense

[velvet garnet]

yeah flame tanks are a must

[ivory hull]

no hard attack in mp?

[high vector]

yea he needs to put in a tank destroyer or two

[eternal aspen]

I feel like more countries should have the balkan factionalism mini game, like imagine if the USSR had that between the different communist ideals, or UK for the different kingdoms that make the union

[sudden thistle]

Always assume that this server is sp

[ivory hull]

"so"

[velvet garnet]

if u say so

[high vector]

yea they're definitely lacking depth for alot of stuff

[high vector]

the welsh claim the british throne

capital moves to Cardiff or some shit

[sly venture]

this is what i use for multiplayer

[eternal aspen]

Nah, more like appeasing the different kingdoms or they split off

[ivory hull]

bro

[high vector]

HARD ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!1

also that's not even using hardness properly

[sly venture]

what

[ivory hull]

thats not good for mp

[high vector]

u dont want a medium tank support for ur infantry div

thats wasteful on supply and fuel

[eternal aspen]

Yh, that would be useless unless you get all the mountaineer SF cap usage reductions, as well as getting all your doctrine focused on SPAT/SPAA

[velvet garnet]

this is what i use
look at my numbers vs usa

[ivory hull]

thats so bad

[velvet garnet]

??

[high vector]

single player is easy ngl

but

[velvet garnet]

how is 20k casualties vs 3 million bad?

[grave sonnet]

Bro get some tank destroyer tanks in there for hard atac

[ivory hull]

the template isnt good

idc bout your ratio

[high vector]

i never put armor in my infantry divisions personally except for mot/mech

i like havin 0 fuel use on my infantry

[velvet garnet]

war strategy >> template

[velvet garnet]

what needs to be changed

[high vector]

just make mechanized divisions with half mech half SPGs

[ivory hull]

take out the line arty

first of all

is worse than inf

[high vector]

light tank recon, support arty, logistics, pioneer company from marine specialization, field hospital

[velvet garnet]

i see

[grave sonnet]

Field Hospital goated

[sly venture]

is this good

[high vector]

if u need to worry about tanks u can slip in tank destroyers in place of some of the SPGs

but in single player u rarely need hard attack

[ivory hull]

take out recon

[sly venture]

nvm i thought that was ranger recon

[high vector]

recon is good wym

[grand forge]

how can i improve tank production

[grave sonnet]

Add more factory

[grand forge]

i produce like 1 tank a day in 1939 and have 250 in debt

[grand forge]

Im not rich

well

[ivory hull]

not cav recon bro

[grand forge]

250 factories

[high vector]

do u have ur industrial focuses done

[grand forge]

but a lot ot infantry

[grave sonnet]

Use buffs from focuses

[sly venture]

this has to be the best template

[grand forge]

Almost

[high vector]

it's fine for ur infantry divisions in single player, but yea motorized is better

[grand forge]

i finished all my accessible ones

[ivory hull]

bro motorized? light tank gng

[grave sonnet]

Does garry carry the super heavy artillery on himself as he charges in?

[grand forge]

the rest need more requirements

[high vector]

nobody puts tank recon on their infantry in single player

not really necessary

[sly venture]

yes

[grand forge]

i put bug recon

[high vector]

i dont make one template i make infantry for holding & supporting my offensive templates

[grave sonnet]

I just make for holding

[grand forge]

i make one defense one offense

[high vector]

im not puttin tank recon on a bunch of coastal garrisons 😭

in MP sure

[ivory hull]

not on inf? why put recon inf

waste

[whole matrix]

I do infantry only for defense

[high vector]

yea infantry is just there for filler

and rolling on battleplan after the mech do the heavy work

[ivory hull]

holy inf brick hate

[high vector]

i'm not a metamancer im sorry

omg kill me

😔

[ivory hull]

does your little tank have that amount of hp?

[whole matrix]

If you guys would have a chance, to add focus tree for a country, which country would it be?

[grave sonnet]

I never use those considering I play countries with like 5 people ready to be conscripted

[high vector]

i mean i have that same defense value

with way less manpower and equipment

logistics r important too

[ivory hull]

but my brick loses leess

[high vector]

kills you with my raygun

[ivory hull]

logi on inf bricks bro?

[grave sonnet]

Infantry equipment easy to replenish

[high vector]

keep in mind i have never played multiplayer

[grave sonnet]

MP sucks

[high vector]

yea but hes puttin tanks in his inf

[ivory hull]

do this with your little tanks

[ivory hull]

you get the flame tank buff even with 0 flame tanks in the div btw

[grave sonnet]

I mean against the AI yeah that will probably obliterate them

[high vector]

u have played the game good job 😭

[grave sonnet]

I once used that and got 80k to 4.5M

I was playing Poland

[high vector]

like i said im not a metamancer

[sly venture]

GARRY TOOK A TILE

[high vector]

im kinda a noob ngl ive only just started using flame tanks a little bit

[winter fulcrum]

He had to correct me in it too, i said “2k hours vs 800 hours” and he said “i have 6000 hours lil bro”

[whole matrix]

Why you use cavalry outside of garnisson

[grave sonnet]

Because it's garry bro

[high vector]

usually i get bored and start a new game by the time i start researching flame tanks cuz i've already won the big wars

[grave sonnet]

I usually rush flame tank & medium

[sly venture]

THE GOAT

[ivory hull]

you can get flame tanks in 37

[coral gorge]

[high vector]

sometimes

[whole matrix]

I never build them that fast

[high vector]

if i play a major yea

[grave sonnet]

Respect garry

[whole matrix]

Especially if I playing minor

[high vector]

usually i play a minor so i need to focus on industry first

[grave sonnet]

I did it as Bulgaria bro

[ivory hull]

you dont have to build them btw

[high vector]

yeah thats stupid

i dont wanna play like that

if i play sheeps ai maybe

[sly venture]

how soviet troops were looking at garry charging in with 2000 tons of artillery

[high vector]

yeah i dont think they won WW2 with invisible flame tanks

[ivory hull]

me when i want to larp and not just play the game

[high vector]

im here for the larp buddy....

[whole matrix]

I usually playing mods

[high vector]

yee

i like a good story kinda

[whole matrix]

Bc vanilla is borning

[grave sonnet]

Kaiserreich best mod oat

[whole matrix]

Debatable

[grave sonnet]

Achievement hunt is fun

[coral gorge]

you can always have fun

[high vector]

i really think paradox would cook hard if they made something like Manor Lord

but scaled up

[thorn pelican]

🤔

[coral gorge]

PDX is so inconsistent nowadays

[high vector]

we need a funny irish fascist path where they claim the USA and britain and all of formerly celtic europe

more world conquest slop for the slop gods

[whole matrix]

I remember

How allies once attacked me

After I carried them vs Germany

As Italy

[left osprey]

Chat, am i crazy or a genius for trying Space Marines as Paraguay? (On the mod Union y Libertad)

I wanna kill all of America with a secret path of the mod lol

[uneven marlin]

The CC Clique formed naturally in my game.

[terse skiff]

Space marines have sucked in sp for at least 3 years

[left osprey]

RIP then

Ima try them for the meme on that case

(Since last time i checked tanks sucked atleast on South America)

[terse skiff]

Not really

As long as you have flame+engineer+recon you can avoid the penalties

[quaint vessel]

hi

[terse skiff]

Sir this is a discord chat with official PDX guys

[wanton wadi]

Krym special operation

[eternal aspen]

Not 100% true, there's also the official paradox discord server which hosts support for all their current line of games, and I believe their predecessors for those games too (like hoi3 and hoi4)

[terse skiff]

yeah, but this is still a discord with offical PDX community team members

[mental mantle]

i own this server

nothing in or out without my aproval

[terse skiff]

literally 1984

[left osprey]

I'll own the seas then, if you let me...

[eternal aspen]

Based af

[willow gull]

i accidentally asked if trial of allegiance was a good DLC in my navy work discord, not this one

anyways was trial of allegiance a good DLC

[turbid oriole]

bro my kelp farm inst working help me

pls help me it isnt working

[willow gull]

this is hoi4

[ripe slate]

Thats a pretty cool HOI mod

[weary lagoon]

for this you need to call your allies first, else you won't be able to attack the problem properly

[gritty elm]

bro he needs troops to attack

you forgot that step

[weary lagoon]

nah clearly the enemy has no troops so it's fine

he just needs air & naval support that's all

[turbid oriole]

bro my farm is running out of supplies

[gritty elm]

build a port

[turbid oriole]

its landlocked!!

[gritty elm]

a dam

[weary lagoon]

i need to see the full picture, zoom out so i can see the whole map to deduce what's happening

[turbid oriole]

broo my farm is encircled!!! we're 80% into capitulation

[weary lagoon]

ah it's over, better use those nukes (TNT) before they take control of the farm

or just reset

[turbid oriole]

nah

[gritty elm]

just load the old save tbh

[turbid oriole]

i called my minor allies

[slim idol]

Nah bro call in the big guys (iron golems)

[sudden thistle]

What part isn’t working

Iirc

Full water blocks

Observers hooked up to pistons

And then usually an auto furnace to cook it

[placid sleet]

we're a bit large

[fallen hearth]

help

[gritty elm]

just use fortress buster

[sudden thistle]

More infantry

[modest cloak]

I belive units consisting only of artillery eould be of help

[gritty elm]

helicopters

[modest cloak]

Or that, yes.

[gritty elm]

or just bring the subs

maybe the mines can break though

[astral forum]

Hoi4 mods keep getting crazier and crazier every day...

[modest cloak]

I thought that was just hoi4 eithout any DLC's

[uneven marlin]

The issue is that you don't have enough organization, and your red-stone doesn't have enough soft attack to halt an enemies attack before it runs out of organization, so what I would recommend, is adding in 2 more motorized pistons, and add in a water support company as well to cool down your red-stone.

Just add the support company on like any spot that will get water on all of your red-stone.

And that should give you the bonuses that you need to win.

[mental mantle]

Rate my hoi4 mod

[uneven marlin]

9 / 10, it just needs better research, like, why does the infantry equipment stop at Netherite?

and nerf end crystals

too much soft attack

[placid sleet]

most peaceful conquest of china

[peak marsh]

i am new to hoi4 does anyone want to play it together eventually ??

dm me if yes

[modest cloak]

glowing like uranium

[mental mantle]

Yall seein this?

[dusky yarrow]

Holy hell

[modest cloak]

Geniuenly how many pixels are in this image

[mental mantle]

Bro , come on , it snot that bad

[modest cloak]

you're right you're right somethings can be still read

[autumn plover]

As the USA in single player, is it worth going down heavy tanks or should I just stick to mediums?

[mental mantle]

its everywhere all over my desk

[shell sorrel]

It’s rarely worth making heavies in SP ever

[safe wing]

Mediums or spgs

[upbeat tundra]

bros playing hoi4 ultra low

[dull zinc]

Is the pope made of carp?

[willow gull]

no bro

[shell sorrel]

Yeah he seems a little fishy

[eternal aspen]

i count roughly 600 or so

but i could be wrong

[misty fossil]

67 pixels

[upbeat tundra]

wait guys when u make a cav div is there a secret horse breeding program to make infinite horses for those divs?

[misty fossil]

umamusume agenda

[upbeat tundra]

what is umamusume or whatever

[lean comet]

How many femboys in this server

[misty fossil]

30000

[safe wing]

Honestly I don’t know

[misty fossil]

um a musume

[lean comet]

They call 007 0 fighters 0 cas 70% industry strat bombed

[fleet tree]

Are they Eva going to fix the lag

Past 1940

[deft tangle]

Finally i'm almost done with France. Broke straight through Alsace-Lorraine without planes or tanks, a maneuver that costed 100k german lives

[misty fossil]

@ivory hull what country is this?

[deft tangle]

Cant wait to invade the ussr

[fair horizon]

only 100k?

[deft tangle]

I mean 100k for the breakthrough

Took 100k lives before I could do the breakthrough

The entire operation probably took around 250k casualties

[fair horizon]

acceptable losses

[deft tangle]

Definitely

Thought it would be too much of a hassle to invade Belgium

As Austria doesn't get focus wargoals on it

So I made very high soft attack arty divisions and used a general with the engineer and fort buster traits

Works very well

[meager light]

this guy’s never heard of the ardennes

[deft tangle]

You got to admit tho, just rolling through a barrier of lvl 7 forts with a ton of artillery is peak dominance assertion

[meager light]

tanks tend to get the job done better

with strategic bombing

[deft tangle]

100% true

[meager light]

but yeah if you have the equipment and manpower and don’t mind all your infantry becoming green then go for it

[deft tangle]

I kind of screwed up by getting to late 1941 and somehow not having a single tank or cas produced lol

[meager light]

in a recent germany game I thought it’d be fun to build a navy and capitulate the UK before even touching France

[meager light]

this used to be me for like the first 2000 hours in the game to be honest

[deft tangle]

Very wacky idea

[meager light]

I’d build like improved cas and fighters and they weren’t even good

0 training and just outproduce the ones I lost

[willow gull]

dude i’ve had this exact video in my camera roll for like 6 years

[deft tangle]

Most of the time I do that

Though I know about plane training

Idk if I'm lazy or just forget lol

[meager light]

to be honest the biggest downside with Germany is you use so much fuel just on training planes and navy and basically anything with an engine

I usually try to snatch romanian oil directly rather than letting them into the axis

[deft tangle]

True

[tulip thorn]

Our ears are gone

[fair horizon]

its not that much fuel tbh

[deft tangle]

Training 24 motorized divisions with just 4 motorized battalions each is enough to consume a crapton of fuel

[meager light]

it is if you forget to build synthetic refineries

I suppose you can just trade if your economy is big enough

[deft tangle]

Now imagine thousands of planes...

[fair horizon]

never build synthetic refineries for fuel lol

you could spend that time building a civ to trade for more fuel

[meager light]

I suppose but if you’re at war with the allies and not chudrushing Britain then you’re gonna get convoy raided to shit

[fair horizon]

you can trade over land with iran

[meager light]

you can trade with the soviets but then how are you going to deport thousands of people to siberia

[meager light]

in my recent games they’ve been pretty quickly destroyed by the allies and forced into either faction

[high vector]

yeah i try not to rely on fuel too much

[meager light]

but yeah if they live then you can do that

[high vector]

i would rather have an army that's 80% infantry with 20% super strong armor/mech divs and a giant airforce

as opposed to an entire mechanized or motorized army or some meta armored infantry div

[fair horizon]

i also navymaxx so i can kill the enemy navy

[high vector]

yea navy is fun

kinda

[meager light]

yeah I tend to do some good infantry that at most uses trucks for supply and support companies

not sure if supply trucks factor into fuel usage

[fair horizon]

check the stat card

[deft tangle]

I think only the USA can afford to have entire armies of motorized or mechanized divisions

With their unholy amount of oil

[high vector]

the USSR can do it too

[deft tangle]

True

[high vector]

nobody else tho

[fair horizon]

i do it as australia

[deft tangle]

Forgot they also have unholy amounts of oil

[meager light]

iraq tank only world conquest?

[deft tangle]

Now that's impressive

[high vector]

yeah if you wanna do a 20 year game as iraq

lo

l

[fair horizon]

not really you can generate like 30 oil on the mainland and java is right there

same with nz's like 10 oil

[meager light]

oh don’t worry with all the justifications while at war with a major I forget to do it usually lasts longer than 20 years

[fair horizon]

luv me amtracs

[meager light]

did an australia navy game today and that was pretty good

rt56 for the better focus tree

[high vector]

amtracs seem OP but i always restart by the time i get to em

[deft tangle]

Don't think that can support 24 full moto/mecha divisions tho

Unless they're very small divisions

[meager light]

only problem was the japanese hardly put their navy out at all?

so I did hardly anything

I actually spent longer on the mediterranean which I didn’t want to do

my biggest problem was just getting more mils and dockyards down because I was running out of building slots

I really wanted amtracs but I just could not afford them without skimping out on guns and support equipment and whatnot

but hey I did get a Japanese puppet in the end (they were considered a major power in the allies immediately after the peace conference and I wasn’t)

[deft tangle]

What a slap to the face lol

[fair horizon]

it can

[deft tangle]

Then thats even more impressive lol

[upbeat tundra]

me with 272 mechanized divs:

[fair horizon]

not when you realize the manpower is the issue

[upbeat tundra]

ts was my production for 1 game

[north merlin]

is this a good result lol?

[fair horizon]

looks alright

those destroyers are crap interwar ones i bet

[thorn pelican]

I did it

(Ignore Newfoundland)

[uneven marlin]

You know that it's bad when a RELEASABLE nation has almost 1.5 million casulties.

[fair horizon]

chile naval invasion incoming

[thorn pelican]

Which one?

[uneven marlin]

Korea.

[thorn pelican]

Nah. They are just stopping me from taking back Easter Island

I legit have no clue how to navy in this game

[meager light]

actually I remember doing it with japan coming to think of it

once I was invading america

[thorn pelican]

Ah lol

[meager light]

although supply was a bit of a ball ache once i’d pushed past california

bad enough with foot infantry

[safe wing]

Very

[thorn pelican]

I see waifus

Also gj, navy is still an arcane mystery to me

[north merlin]

yes, i specifically made them crap cuz they cheap as hell, im focusing more on carrier

[north merlin]

ahem, we no talk abt that, i lost a 1v1 to a friend and was forced to do this while screen sharing

[eternal aspen]

Isn't Adrien Arcand the fascist canadian leader?

At least in vanilla

[thorn pelican]

wasn’t criticising it

waifus good

[safe wing]

Yes and he is poorly portrayed ingame

[north merlin]

...some ppl are js into... interesting... stuff

[safe wing]

Adrian arcand breaking away from the uk makes no sense as he idolized the British empire

[eternal aspen]

agreed, a lot of fascists are portrayed as nazis who are horrible people, but yet, a select few of them seemed to be relatively decent (but racist) people

[safe wing]

Also he was French Canadian and was hated by the fascist Quebec movement because of his pro UK stance

[thorn pelican]

“relatively decent”

[fair horizon]

id reccomend moving to 1940 destroyer if you wanna use them, far less losses due to the 60 hp

[safe wing]

Sounds like something a hoi4 player would try to do in this situation but they would fail

[deft tangle]

He unironically believed Germany could ever conquer Canada??

As if the american and british navies simply didn't exist??

[safe wing]

lol yeah

[thorn pelican]

What gets me is how he sat on a throne in prison

[safe wing]

The > 40 ship kriegsmarine vs the 800 us uk navy’s

[hard depot]

What's the theoretically fastest Division you can make?

[north merlin]

oh, im still in 39

[upbeat tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nr9LEGRSubE

[deft tangle]

Ghost Division? Now what about paper division! With a grand total of 1 org

[upbeat tundra]

oh btw rmb when u were talking about how only the US could support mechanized armies?

[terse skiff]

1944 armor cars do 16kmh

[deft tangle]

Mechanized and motorized

Though mechanized is so expensive

[terse skiff]

Uh everyone can afford mechanized

[upbeat tundra]

well...

[terse skiff]

Mech is cheap, 4 cost each

[upbeat tundra]

uhhh

[shell sorrel]

It’s pretty simple tbh

Spam light attack and torpedoes

[deft tangle]

Damn

[shell sorrel]

Battleships are a meme

But they’re badass so build them anyway

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/you-underestimate-my-power-palpatine-star-wars-accomplish-somehow-gif-394153369481917711

[deft tangle]

True

But thats already substantially more expensive than normal trucks

[topaz dove]

True

[deft tangle]

I think it ain't easy to achieve a full mechanized army by 1942 as historical Germany for instance

But idk

[topaz dove]

But personally I made the destroyer cheaper so I could build a light cruiser with 50+ light attack

[terse skiff]

It is

[topaz dove]

Usually not cost more than 850+ for a destroyer

[shell sorrel]

That and some armor go brrr

[topaz dove]

It shreds the royal navy like it's made out of paper

[shell sorrel]

Isn’t it like 8 armor or so that you need to basically just dunk on all AI screens

[topaz dove]

But still, you need at least 20 light cruisers like that to make a difference, 5 won't do shit

[terse skiff]

You can get 200 36 w SPG divisions as ussr

[shell sorrel]

Depends who you’re fighting tbf

If you’re fighting the allies sure

But you need a lot less to deal with the axis or even Japan

[topaz dove]

The IJN are easier since they'll be facing the royal navy and the us navy

[shell sorrel]

Yeah

Like even as Canada you can do insane work as a naval power

Just because you have such strong allies

[topaz dove]

Basically you shred their screen first. I once shred the IJN destroyers from 160+ to just 30+ 🤣

[shell sorrel]

I got high off my own supply after shitting on the IJN as Canada, then redeployed to the Mediterranean and it turns out Italy still had their full navy

And they rocked my shit

[topaz dove]

I still haven't tried torpedo cruisers tho

[shell sorrel]

Same

Mostly because you can pry my heavy cruisers from my cold dead hands

I will be building them

I do not care that they aren’t very good

[fair horizon]

heavy cruisers are good with the whole not costing more than a battleship in steel beta

[topaz dove]

I prefer heavy cruisers. They're faster and cheaper than battleships...

Battlecruisers...idk if it worth it or not

[shell sorrel]

I’m a battlecruiser enjoyer in all honesty

Best of both worlds (aka still bad)

[fair horizon]

nah battlecruisers are good too

[round pivot]

just build a super heavy battleship

and kill everything

ez

[fair horizon]

faster battleships at the expense of armor

which can be negated by using level 2 or 3 armor

[topaz dove]

I wanna try building aircraft carriers sometimes but I usually play as my country so it doesn't have too many building slots

Plus manpower issues

[hard depot]

Wait, this premade design looks good fr?

[fair horizon]

which country?

[hard depot]

(I didn't make this, this was already ingame)

Wait this actually good fr?

[topaz dove]

Malaysia (a.k.a. British Malaya)

[fair horizon]

ah you can do the formable though right?

just take over indonesia and phillipines?

[topaz dove]

Yeah, I can but need a lot of work fighting the allies

[fair horizon]

if you have the dlc try escort carriers btw

[topaz dove]

And US

[fair horizon]

they're cheaper and iirc manpower cheaper too

[topaz dove]

Hmm...

Ok then

[topaz dove]

Honestly, a basic heavy tank isn't worth it to me. Usually you need to spam tanks in the early to face Germans so I prefer spamming light tanks that has tons of soft attack instead

[hard depot]

Yeah but to be fair this is good

[fair horizon]

id agree but france has all the good techs for tanks at the start

[hard depot]

especially when you wanna make high asf soft attack tanks earlygame this good

[shell sorrel]

The whole point of escort carriers is they’re just dirt cheap floating hangars

[topaz dove]

It is good for a heavy tank, I just think it isn't worth it.

[opal nymph]

Fixed superstructure moment

[shell sorrel]

Like I think they max out around 5k cost realistically? Unless you’re putting dumb stuff like armor on them

[hard depot]

Which was something i've been wanting for months

[opal nymph]

You could put a medium turret on it

[hard depot]

Something that was more cost efficient than escorts and is more cheaper than those Cruiser Deck Conversions

[topaz dove]

Wait, I thought a converted cruiser cost less

[shell sorrel]

Honestly escorts in-game are too expensive vs historical reality

[hard depot]

This is literally a converted tanker than a cruiser

[shell sorrel]

Lots of irl escort cruisers were literally commercial ships

[opal nymph]

I had like 8 task forces that had an escort carrier, a spotting heavy cruiser, and some light cruisers and seaplane tenders and they wiped the Japanese screen and sub fleets

[shell sorrel]

That they slapped some decks on

And said “you hold planes now”

[vernal crescent]

chat

[hard depot]

People don't realize the fact that Escort Carriers had a massive effect on Naval Warfare

[vernal crescent]

is this cooked?

[fair horizon]

nope, very expensive per plane

[topaz dove]

Ah, I see

[shell sorrel]

They also don’t realize the US built something like 200 of them

[hard depot]

Well, not massive in terms of naval battles

But escort missions, they had a huge impact

[shell sorrel]

122 of them

[opal nymph]

How to win the Battle of the Atlantic:

[shell sorrel]

I thought it was 162 I forgot

[fair horizon]

it was though, late war there was almost always air cover for US ships and marines

[hard depot]

Don't forget Taffy 3.

[topaz dove]

US spam them to secure the supply lines from Japs subs and German U-boats.

[shell sorrel]

Yep

[fair horizon]

never will thats my favorite battle of ww2

[shell sorrel]

And they were really really good at their job

[hard depot]

You lose one? That's fine

They're more cost efficient

[fair horizon]

tbh destroyers were very effective at that

sonar and hedgehogs kinda changed the game for subs

i mean even the flower class kinda negated them quite a bit

[topaz dove]

Yeah, but I was thinking more on air cover for the supplies since Japanese islands are everywhere in early pacific war

[shell sorrel]

They tended to be the launching points for CAS during island landings

[fair horizon]

i got a couple pictures of when my great grandpa was on the mcginty of aircraft landing on one

[topaz dove]

Damn, cool great grandpa. My great grandpa..well, idk too much lore about him but I know that my grandpa is in the army during communist insurgency

Still, it gives my family a bit lore

[shell sorrel]

My stepdad’s father landed at Normandy

[topaz dove]

I just hope that I don't get drafted into WW3

[shell sorrel]

Idk which beach off the top of my head

[topaz dove]

US?

[shell sorrel]

Yea

[topaz dove]

Probably Omaha

Since British is. Juno and Sword

[shell sorrel]

He was lucky enough to be in a later wave

[topaz dove]

I can't believe how traumatized he is hearing German MG42 with dead comrades everywhere

[fading coral]

I’m gonna get conscripted 🫩

[shell sorrel]

Thank god I’m unc now (26)

[fading coral]

Aren’t you still draftable?

[shell sorrel]

Not with current stipulations but ofc things could change

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/matt-damon-old-ageing-matt-damon-gif-5219578

[shell sorrel]

Doubt they would though

[fading coral]

goes to scraping the barrel

[shell sorrel]

Draft is 18-25

[topaz dove]

Tbh, at this point, people will remember the weak spots of tanks and use them in real life if this happens.....then realize that Stalinium isn't saving them

[low sun]

https://tenor.com/view/i-just-hit-the-jackpot-gameboyjones-hakari-green-screen-black-guy-gif-7781853818237960786

[shell sorrel]

I mean, drones are the future of warfare anyway

See: Ukraine

[topaz dove]

Cheap drones are everywhere. I wonder if our generation will be traumatized by drones if our grandson plays them in the future

[fading coral]

Basically, also, idk how to drive a tank too well, I know how to reload one though

[fair horizon]

good news you'll be the loader

[fading coral]

NO THE DRONE, TAKE COVER

[fading coral]

That means I sit by the highly explosive ammo ✌️

Which might be worse…

[fair horizon]

cant be worse than a t72 though

[topaz dove]

Well, depending on nations sometime the ammo is in a different compartment

[shell sorrel]

Those basically don’t exist anymore anyway

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/macho-man-macho-man-randy-savage-macho-wwe-wwf-gif-10080726362593928892

[fading coral]

There are a bunch of T-34’s buried in concrete on the Russian side of the Russian-Chinese border

Also, I just watched project Hail Mary yesterday and it was peak

[topaz dove]

Plus Apfsds already have tons of penetrations...like 300+ so it's more like who could reload faster in modern warfare

Still, drones can destroy them from top

[fading coral]

1914 - Who can trench max the most
1939 - Who can have a lead foot
2026 - Who can hide from a drone and pray it doesn’t spot them

[fair horizon]

i think drone warfare is highly overrated. it looks good on paper in the areas it does "well" but theres so many counters to it

[fading coral]

Go on

[topaz dove]

Yeah, I heard about jammers

[shell sorrel]

Tell that to every military in the world