hoi4-general

[terse skiff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/paradoxplaza/comments/1scmrxb/eu4_is_beating_out_eu5_in_the_past_24_hours_by/

eu5 is not doing well

hopefully the dlcs fix it cuz from what I heard there is no flavor

People don't want to play a castrated vicky economics simulator for the age of colonization

the masses want to emulate the great kings and launch conquests

the only man who can save us is Huey Long Dong

[shell sorrel]

As a smaller nation (netherlands) am I better off just building a multirole CAS/naval aircraft or splitting production between a torpedo bomber and normal bomber

[viscid mason]

I thought it was mainly the high computer specs. As I was thinking of getting the game but realized the game would run too slow on my computer

[shell sorrel]

that's every paradox game

[terse skiff]

if you can't fill the lines just ignore air

you need at least 20 factories in air just to be able to get green air

[terse skiff]

eu4 is full of flavor

[shell sorrel]

I'm planning on joining the Axis fwiw

[shell sorrel]

not vanilla eu4

and i mean vanilla vanilla not modern vanilla

[terse skiff]

nah later on eu4 hired mod authros to make flavor packs

[shell sorrel]

i mean EU4 from when i played EU4

[terse skiff]

just fyi ai germany won't naval invade uk so if you want to try naval invading uk, you will have to minmax a lot

[shell sorrel]

yeah i'm gonna do what I can

(aka get my shit rocked)

[terse skiff]

nah back then there was 93% CCR ottomans and Minghals

also the Carib Mayan reform strat

[shell sorrel]

i didnt play a whole ton of EU4 I was more of a CK2 kid

[viscid mason]

I got EU4 for free on epic games once. Never really got into the game and only opened it to see the start date. Interesting that it lets you pick any day to start the game off.

[terse skiff]

there is only one start date

1444/11/11

all other starts are bugged

[shell sorrel]

i was gonna say didnt it start ~1450

like right before the fall of constantinople

[cold frigate]

whats a fun country to play thats not too hard, doesnt need dlc, and isnt germany

[terse skiff]

yeah the day after the defeat at the battle of varna

[shell sorrel]

canada

[viscid mason]

oh yeah fair there was a custom start date feature but I assume it's gives you a terrible experience due to it being outdated

[terse skiff]

no one plays them

it's like 1939 start date

[shell sorrel]

anything other than default or earlier-than-default start dates in paradox games is bad

[upbeat tundra]

germany (with a visual mod)

[cold frigate]

any expansion?

[shell sorrel]

like in ck you either play 1066 or 867

or whatever the carolingian one was i can't remember

[shell sorrel]

it's from an expansion that is now included in vanilla

[viscid mason]

Eu5 starts at 1337 which makes me think Paradox should have made a Hundred Years' war game.

[shell sorrel]

so no

[upbeat tundra]

ive only ever done 1939 once and it was the most boring thing ever

[cold frigate]

i mean like expanding

[upbeat tundra]

its literally the slider thing

[shell sorrel]

oh

nothing in the focus tree really

[terse skiff]

it's strange because ck3 covers that time period

[upbeat tundra]

you cant have a fun country thats easy to play without dlc

[shell sorrel]

you kinda just get to be an isolated little allied nation

and focus on whatever you want and be a specialist

[viscid mason]

indeed

[shell sorrel]

it's very odd

[terse skiff]

I get the 1400 start date for eu3 but eu5's 1337 is way too early

[cold frigate]

what?

[shell sorrel]

esperically considering ck2 carried into eu4

can you do the same with eu5?

[upbeat tundra]

there isnt a country thats fun which is easy and doesnt need dlc

there isnt a country which is easy that is fun and needs dlc

etc

[shell sorrel]

in your opinion is canada not fun

[upbeat tundra]

yes

[shell sorrel]

fair enough

[upbeat tundra]

its piggybacking off of england

[shell sorrel]

it's definitely the best commonwealth nation

it's not amazing by any means but it's solid

[upbeat tundra]

the most boring major has to be the US

[shell sorrel]

US is for sure gonna be the next major rework

granted the UK and France are also both... not amazing

the axis powers are all great now though

[upbeat tundra]

new focus tree for us: armed neutrality dlc for 15 dollars

[cold frigate]

i played it and it was boring ash

[shell sorrel]

US really needs better ahistorical

[viscid mason]

True. In my opinion EU games should start in 1453 and end in 1836 or before Napoleonic wars so there would be no overlap

[upbeat tundra]

usa gets to afk for 4 years then scale

[shell sorrel]

when does vicky start again 1836?

[terse skiff]

yeah

[shell sorrel]

i played it during the free weekend a bit but it didnt really click

too economy not enough roleplay or war for me

[terse skiff]

so ottomans start at war with the Egyptian pasha

and Victoria will become queen in a few years

also it will give you enough time to prepare for 1848, the German unification wars, or Westernization if you play as Qing or Japan

[raw crystal]

My favorite nation in HOI4 right now is Germany followed up by Russia since they both have fun monarchist paths.

[shell sorrel]

Russia is too overwhelming for me

most majors are a bit rough for me in terms of scale but that's just how my brain is with wide powers in any game

I like Italy though

[upbeat tundra]

russia is a bit too micromanagey for me

[viscid mason]

it also gives you a hundred years of play time 1836-1936 so hoi4 perfectly picks up after vic

[silver dawn]

do u guys know the game warno?

[shell sorrel]

yeah

[terse skiff]

ussr does not require much micromanaging?

[shell sorrel]

what about it

[terse skiff]

like you spend 2 more minutes on day 1 but otherwise it's like every other major

[upbeat tundra]

monarchist russia

[terse skiff]

oh that one

[silver dawn]

this is a replay and i forgot how i love it for realism

[terse skiff]

yikes starting from chita

[shell sorrel]

I didn't really fw warno as much as broken arrow but tbh i think both games are just too long in terms of their match length for me

[upbeat tundra]

useless siberian land vs soviet union

[shell sorrel]

knock 10min off and i'd like them a lot more

[silver dawn]

beacuse u have only limited troops and be carefull on how to use them

beacuse u wont get any troops back

and i cooked in that game

[shell sorrel]

the real question is, any gigachad Master of Command players?

[upbeat tundra]

whats the most overrated mod

i wonder

[whole matrix]

Great war

[upbeat tundra]

ehh

dont see that much glaze on gw

[whole matrix]

It's very popular tho

[upbeat tundra]

opverrated as in

ppl glaze it

[whole matrix]

Millenium Dawn kinda overglazed

[upbeat tundra]

ngl kaiserreich

[whole matrix]

Also tno is kinda meh for me

Bc its just a visual novella

[whole matrix]

Gameplay

[upbeat tundra]

i dont like the mods that are more story then gameplay aswell

[whole matrix]

Tfr is better, bc it have European wars and civil wars

But I prefer other mods still

[upbeat tundra]

rt56 might be my fav

[true oar]

how do I get to europe as america to kill germany

[upbeat tundra]

i just like how its vanilla +

[whole matrix]

Just draw a front line

[upbeat tundra]

your first mistake was playing america

[whole matrix]

If you have a ally

[true oar]

i alr know how to play all the other majors

but idk how to deploy w america

[upbeat tundra]

america is just

4 years of afk

and some scaling

[whole matrix]

Fr

GIVE US AMERICA REWORK

[upbeat tundra]

if u can play all otehr majors

then u know how to play america

[whole matrix]

By America I also mean North America

[true oar]

idk how you get on the other side of the globe

[whole matrix]

Mexico and Canada

[upbeat tundra]

the new armed neutality DLC:

what it gives:
new america focus tree (basically just rt56 but slightly more buffs)

what it costs:
15.99 USD

[raw crystal]

I am a player that likes to take monarchist paths when a nation has one that is fun.

[whole matrix]

Well, they also will add new mechanic

Bc it's a dlc, not country pack

[upbeat tundra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/buzz-lightyear-meme-2--k01KRA1TDNKZSH4K1MCNEB3THJZ

[whole matrix]

https://klipy.com/gifs/buzz-lightyear-meme-2--k01KRA1TDNKZSH4K1MCNEB3THJZ

[upbeat tundra]

u get the idea though

its prolly gunna come from an overpriced dlc

[whole matrix]

I hope they will just lock in

[mental mantle]

I am a player that likes to deploy divisions when I am going to go to war or defend against an invasion.

[upbeat tundra]

thats like asking minecraft devs to make updates faster

[whole matrix]

And do new not a step back

[upbeat tundra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/buzz-lightyear-meme-2--k01KRA1TDNKZSH4K1MCNEB3THJZ

[upbeat tundra]

new commander designer! grow commanders inside a lab!

[raw crystal]

I think there are few nations they could add like Egypt, Cuba, and maybe update Canada.

[whole matrix]

I deploying divisions from the start of game

And capturing everyone as soon, as I can

[mental mantle]

Made my balls itch

[whole matrix]

They should update USA, Canada and Mexico

In USA dlc

And make a focus tree for every states

And county's

[shell sorrel]

Mexico literally has a great focus tree

The only changes they need are how weak they start out imo

[upbeat tundra]

trostkyist mexico is up there with canada

as best minors

[whole matrix]

They could do some minor changes

[shell sorrel]

like why tf do they not have support equipment or the mondragon m08

[whole matrix]

And Canada reallllyy needs a rework

[shell sorrel]

minor changes yes but certainly not a rework

[whole matrix]

And add some new paths

That Mexico missing

[shell sorrel]

like what paths

they have everything really

[whole matrix]

What about monarchy pa-

[shell sorrel]

mexico has historically had very little monarchism

other than being a subject of other monarchies

there just isn't much to work off of

[whole matrix]

Well, anyway

I gonna pray they won't add USA monarchy path

Because that literally what they revolted against

[shell sorrel]

mexico too lmao

[terse skiff]

are you ready to march with Huey "every man a king" Long Dong?

[whole matrix]

They had some monarchies

In their history

[shell sorrel]

like two? three? for a few years each

[terse skiff]

also this guyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton

[whole matrix]

And I don't like Mexico democratic path

They should add focus tree to Venezuela in USA dlc

Because... Well, you know

[upbeat tundra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/maduro--k01KRA2T0C9R2WTJ8PAY0NZ4EQA

[silver dawn]

i think these dtails are crazy for a battel of a realy big scale where u only have limited troops

[mental mantle]

Totes

[mental mantle]

Oh this

Yea I agree

I thought you were talking about my land down under

[silver dawn]

XD

i love warno manly beacuse the game way more realistic then many othere games just beacuse of the fact u dont have unlimited troops

XD

[upbeat tundra]

cant even talk about agar

[upbeat tundra]

dcs world?

[silver dawn]

no its warno

its a cold war game

[upbeat tundra]

same thi8ng

[silver dawn]

nah

[upbeat tundra]

yuh

[silver dawn]

nah

[smoky prairie]

DCS World is a flight Simulator. Warno is an RTS

[silver dawn]

yeah

i won that battle with starting counter atacks from my main strong hold

i had 25 tanks for the whole battle

and like 35 infatry troops

[upbeat tundra]

same thing

[smoky prairie]

I played Steel Division 44 and Steel division 2 some time back, which Eugen made before Warno, but I've never played Warno. I remember when Warno came out it sorta killed our playerbase

I was about ready to quit it though by then anyways though

[silver dawn]

well the player base of warno was killed by broken arrow

[smoky prairie]

Sorry to hear that. Guess you know the pain of that then, lol

[silver dawn]

but i think warno is way more tatical beacuse u onlky have a limited amount of troops

[silver dawn]

yes

[smoky prairie]

Sympathies friend

[silver dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/strength-strength-and-honor-gladiator-gif-26266140

well ama go off

see ya guys

[solid prairie]

i am with the sov

[smoky prairie]

You're... Austria? (Sorry, its kind of hard to tell from the screenshot)

[solid prairie]

yes

[smoky prairie]

It would appear you have your work cut out for you. Good luck!

[solid prairie]

No it would appear that japan will run over me

[smoky prairie]

I didn't want to be that negative, but kind of, yeah, lol

[upbeat tundra]

atp just hope and pray

[solid prairie]

Japan has 500 divs i have 160

[upbeat tundra]

accept your death

OR

type in console

delall jap

[solid prairie]

playing ironman

[upbeat tundra]

well go into the save file and change it

[solid prairie]

No i will fight to the last kid

[upbeat tundra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/banzai-hideki-tojo--k01KRA44PJV7GZA9QDGF0CPDBH0

mentality

[solid prairie]

do you want to have my save and play our self?

[silver dawn]

https://youtu.be/sQ3BsfRAN88?is=__ePDKBJ68z6Ax6H this video says everything aboute warno and IT IS on the level as Hoi4 of horrible when you are new

[smoky prairie]

Sometimes fighting a desperate, losing struggle and seeing how long you can hold on is actually kind of fun - I remember my favorite start date in HOI3 was July 1944 (HOI3 had multiple start dates besides 1936 and 1939) and playing as Germany and fighting a desperate, losing struggle. IIRC I held out til feb. of 48' once. But that was mostly because the HOI3 AI was dumb as rocks

[cobalt dawn]

heck nahhh

[upbeat tundra]

did i spend 6 hours loading saves and stuff? yes

was it worth it? ehhh

[trim pike]

What game is this

[fierce hedge]

Am I too deep into hoi4 if when my eyes close shortly due to tiredness I see hoi4 screenshots

?

[solid prairie]

no your good

[trim pike]

So many centaura/da fans here

[fierce hedge]

56 hours of playtime and I bought it like a week ago

And I'm still a massive noob

[ripe slate]

You are still noob at 500

[solid prairie]

min 5000 hours

[fierce hedge]

208 days of straight playing btw

[sudden thistle]

stinky commies bro

[sudden thistle]

i play red dragon since warno is too expensive

[quaint vessel]

hai

[ripe slate]

Welcome

[quaint vessel]

thx

[cobalt dawn]

yeah

[sick chasm]

Admin looking for grammar specialist..?

[lapis snow]

Oh good, I should hit the 5k mark this week

[shell sorrel]

Crazy that you formatted that sentence that way

[sick chasm]

My bad.

[misty fossil]

Dont forget your deodorant

[sudden thistle]

that comes with the 16 in 1 body wash

[dusky burrow]

@heavy vigil oof the tutorial was rough

doing that while also watching bittersteel try and dismantle someone who probably tried following a meta strategy without fully understanding it is even rougher

[high harness]

yo wsp

how do i beat japan with china

[dusky burrow]

which path are you going down

[ruby cedar]

hi guys im new

[viscid mason]

hello Litman

[viscid mason]

I have not played the tutorial since 2021. How outdated was the tutorial?

[dusky burrow]

no wonder people are getting pushed to the sea

they only asked people to form a frontline in eritrea

so the tutorial italians would lose somalia

also with just like 60 cas it'd be difficult for anyone

it probably was not fit ever since bba

or even since the beginning of the game

[viscid mason]

oof, yeah I think paradox neglects the old parts of games not just hoi4

[viscid mason]

I assume the tutorial was meant to show basic combat and expects the player to take their sweet time to take Ethiopia then never continue that save.

[sly sluice]

after what year does a game become irrelevent to play to your eyes?

[dusky burrow]

same

[viscid mason]

when ww2 is finished

[sly sluice]

huh

anyway

[dusky burrow]

once you've defeated every non-allied major

[sly sluice]

i just played a game as the nazis

and well

[viscid mason]

if ww2 ends in 1943 that is when the game is over for me. If it ends in 1947 that is the end. There is a soft end date of 1948 but you can still play after that.

[sly sluice]

went pretty smooth but i kinda threw at some point to i was behind but i was still pushing in the america. has like 260 mils maybe?

i speant a while doing a "maginot"

on the beaches

cause i couldn't get bombers for their navy unless i either sacrificed half my air

prod

orrr

sacrifice the mission

so yeah

i built myself into a bunker

every necessary defense is there to stop you.

maxed bunker and naval bunker

stronghold

aa everywhere

infra maxed ou

and 2K jet fighters keeping air supremacy on.

[terse skiff]

Ai can produce jets?

[sly sluice]

honeslty i know its dumb but its just so worh it to see the british hit it like a wall everytime

[sly sluice]

no i did

[terse skiff]

Oh okay

[sly sluice]

but to do so i had to sacrifice making naval bombers

hey i wanna know

are yall like

more into

sofisticated

army

snowball

kind of play

[dusky burrow]

bittersteel doesn't realize that he put up an airforce of largely italian captures

[sly sluice]

or you a one that likes playing small countries?

[dusky burrow]

are these the modern planes or the supersonic small frames?

[high harness]

i have no idea

i got the game 2 days ago

[dusky burrow]

democratic, communist, non-aligned, or fascist?

[sly sluice]

also yes they do if you let them be for too long i think.

[high harness]

oh

nationalist

head that was good

[dusky burrow]

i see

[sly sluice]

jet engine only sadly but a max one. still waiting to unlock modern jets

[high harness]

chinas super strong

i mean japan

[dusky burrow]

you should generally try to aim for war with china by 1937, set up a naval invasion around shanghai, and then just crush and encircle them because you have an army and they don't

[dusky burrow]

so you have axial jets but only advanced airframes?

[high harness]

oh no i meant

im china

sorry oops

[dusky burrow]

oh in that case probably just produce as many 1936 guns as possible and hope your defenses hold

[sly sluice]

ya

[dusky burrow]

maybe try to produce some aa but idk

[high harness]

like make as many troops as possible

[dusky burrow]

yeah

[high harness]

how long would that take

[dusky burrow]

also add support artillery

[high harness]

like until i can crush them

[dusky burrow]

as long as you have

typically that happens around 1939-1940 i believe

it's not easy though

[high harness]

chinas a hard country to play too

[sly sluice]

something that i found out. is that despite having a horrible economy you can still get away with like 10 big divisions

[dusky burrow]

yeah undoubtedly

[sly sluice]

but it'll only be inf

[dusky burrow]

try to defend the coast tbh

[sly sluice]

i did those cause i knew where japan would strike

[dusky burrow]

japanese ai is really predictable tbh

[sly sluice]

so i but them all in 3 different defense lines

[high harness]

why not just make big divisions in the coastlines and just pray

[dusky burrow]

also if you could you should try to annex warlords

[sly sluice]

and they broke the 2

but the last one standed

that saved my game

[high harness]

i make three lines?

how do i even do that

[sly sluice]

well yeah but its mostly because they push just like germany

[high harness]

i can just put defence poist all on the coiast

[sly sluice]

they use spearheads

[high harness]

how do i counter that then

[sly sluice]

you don't

well

you set up troops you can deploy

to defend

the coast

and spawn it when they land

cause you factually can't stop their naval invasions

atleast not on the whole shore

[high harness]

could this work if I put all my troops in the japan area then spawn like 10 division by 10 troops on the coast

[sly sluice]

nah like

you don't spawn them

you just train them

so that they're ready to deply whenever

and only and only when japan invades by the sea

do you deploy them next to the invasion to counter it

[high harness]

i saw a video and they do non agression and invade neibouring provinces forexp

is experience really that important and how do i force the pact

[sly sluice]

with china it really is

[high harness]

do i just exercise my troops

[sly sluice]

proof is i can play most countries just fine. but not china. and i have like 500hours

[sly sluice]

yes always

but only on the map

[dusky burrow]

china's tough for anyone

[sly sluice]

don't wait for them to be fully trained

[dusky burrow]

so that's fine

[sly sluice]

well yeah but a new player is gonna have the pressure bro

[high harness]

i only play china cuz i wanna make it

[sly sluice]

to a noob losing one tile is a disaster

[high harness]

japan pisses me off

like their history ww2

[sly sluice]

i've tried to fight of japan

and thei're like

[dusky burrow]

absolutely

[sly sluice]

NO1 theat

to anyone except the us

because unlike most armies

japanese army is just that versitible

[heavy vigil]

retreat to mountains, hold supply hubs

pray

[sly sluice]

versitile

[heavy vigil]

make artillery instead of guns

cuz more attack/ic

youre not equipping the guns

give up

[viscid mason]

good evening casey

[sly sluice]

that and aa

aa can be tough

well there's a reason it was so feared irl

[heavy vigil]

no

give up

youre not getting enough out for it to matter

[wise pelican]

what country should i play

[brittle cypress]

poland

[sly sluice]

peru

[spark zinc]

mind if i ask but... how often does the ai screw up in non-historical?

[heavy vigil]

uruguay

[wise pelican]

im a begginer with 50 hras

hours

[sly sluice]

huh wwhat?

[heavy vigil]

constantly, sometimes to your detriment

[sly sluice]

like they choose the wrong path

or they're just trash?

[brittle cypress]

what do you mean choose the wrong path

what is the right path

it's non historical

[spark zinc]

because i was minding my own business and somehow i am at war with half the world

[trim lotus]

Odd question: I came across a 2-year-old YT short saying that "7-2" divisions of 7 inf + 2 line artillery battalions were very effective. Would this have been correct at the time? I'm pretty sure it's not very good advice now.

[heavy vigil]

i assume nuking their own country

which is constantly

[sly sluice]

idk i was thinking he set a country to go down a path and it didn't

[brittle cypress]

no this advice is like 5 years out of date minimum

[trim lotus]

So, might have been true at some point, but was out-of-date already when posted (unless I misremembered/misread the age of the short, or was clipped from an even older video)

[sly sluice]

the ai did that once. they launched a nuke on berlin and at the same time it got conquered but the ussr

by

well

i launche d the nuke

[wise pelican]

guys whats a good begginer country i should play rn

[sly sluice]

but basically that deleted the nuke

[sly sluice]

italy japan idk

heh

[wise pelican]

Is Norway fun?

[sly sluice]

you get attacked by germany in 40

[spark zinc]

no, plain and simple no

[sly sluice]

what kind of ggameplay do you like?

[wise pelican]

what about like Siankiang or something

i like to conquer

[sly sluice]

oh you wanna play a small country with good potential?

[wise pelican]

yes

[spark zinc]

if you want a good country to start and learn a bit... i guess hungary is a good option?

[sly sluice]

well peru

is that

but you gonna know how to make it work

[wise pelican]

ima try yugoslavia

[spark zinc]

💀

[sly sluice]

do you know how ww2 went?

[wise pelican]

bro idk

[sly sluice]

well the thing is

to learen the game

learn

pick a complex nation

[sudden thistle]

u dont know ww2

[sly sluice]

like japan

[spark zinc]

should i send a screenshot of how yugoslavia ended in a simple non hist game?

[sudden thistle]

despite playing a ww2 game

[wise pelican]

okay ima try UK

[sly sluice]

how so?

[wise pelican]

UK loos good

[spark zinc]

that one is fine... but try to learn how to use the navy or airforce

[wise pelican]

i know airforce and kinda navy'

[sly sluice]

more like. how come you say to me idk ww2?

[spark zinc]

whatever you do don't go commie with uk or your Gpu will burn literally

[sudden thistle]

i just forgot to reply mb bro

[wise pelican]

anybody wanna guide me through

[spark zinc]

how to play as the uk or how to play the game in general?

[sly sluice]

nah mb im tired asf i though you were talking tme

im gonna go sleep

byeee

[wise pelican]

UK i kinda understand the game

[sudden thistle]

gn

[dusky burrow]

rip

yugoslavia is doable though

[spark zinc]

im not experienced enough at the game for that but i could search for a guide so you can play the uk withouth suffering sealion

[wise pelican]

how many hrs do u have

[dusky burrow]

it's mountains and rivers

probably like 1500 hours rn

[spark zinc]

2900, almost 3K

but be aware i never learned how to do navy or a good tank desing

[sudden thistle]

3.2k hours 🥀

[spark zinc]

this is basically one germany game i did yesterday... somehow i am at war with the japanese, the commie UK and the US

[sudden thistle]

why tf is italy purple

[dusky burrow]

I'd first try to see if I can defeat the Japanese with paratroopers

while trying to keep the british at bay

also how many factories do you have

[dusky burrow]

regno del sud puppet

[sudden thistle]

how does he only have 3 national spirits

[dusky burrow]

why does one of them look generic too

maybe it's dlc-less?

[sudden thistle]

u still get a bunch of spirits from eco/military

i think u start with like 10 ish too

[dusky burrow]

yeah true

dlc-less germany is the same path so idk

[wise pelican]

is germany good for starters

[dusky burrow]

it's rather complicated to do

[spark zinc]

The thirds icon is because i was investigating the nuclear reactor, i can give a bit more context on how the ai had done a Lot of bs during the entire campaing

[dusky burrow]

following a germany with a guide could be decent at learning the game

but you need to know how to manage things like mefo bills

[green magnet]

im playing as Australia

which of these will i need the most?

[eternal aspen]

Asked my dad what achievement for hoi4 I should do, he said reach 1947, ima do it as germany, so I have a choice of DDR or Spartakus

[raw crystal]

For newer players playing Germany it makes sense to do Prioritize Economic Growth over doing MEFO bills with Four Year Plan.

[full jewel]

anyone know what country has the best buffs to artillary?

[green magnet]

PEG is the best option overall

[spark zinc]

and this is why i honestly hate non hist a bit

[eternal aspen]

Poland

[full jewel]

really?!

[green magnet]

might as well do cossack king

[eternal aspen]

Their secret path, just go regency council and keep saying no

[eternal aspen]

Wojek gives a couple more than cossack king

[full jewel]

ok ill try thanks or I might get lucky since I do NH

does poland have good nuke buffs too?

[raw crystal]

Is it better to go Historical AI or Non Historical AI for a Monarchist Russia Playthrough?

[full jewel]

probably historical since you for the most part know what's going to happen but NH can sometime go very easy or you get mega cked

[high harness]

yo whats the best national focus for china

[opaque zinc]

What do you mean

I’m pretty sure the fascist path gets very good buffs and if you’re good and smart you can unify China extremely quick

But the middle one also is good I forgot the name

[high harness]

so

theres natiopnalism

[blazing river]

histoircal path

[high harness]

welfare and

[opaque zinc]

Really every China game feels the same

[high harness]

democracy

[opaque zinc]

Just encircle naval invasions

And wait

Now Manchuko that seems fun

[high harness]

also how do i order my army

properly

[opaque zinc]

What do you mean

Well

[opaque zinc]

What I do is I get a force and just hold the Japanese off for as long as I can, and when their two fronts eventually unite I set a frontline with around 72 troops

Oh

No uhm

Ncns

Idk I never played China without the dlc

Just get the united front

And rush subjugating warlords

[high harness]

72 troops

at beihing?

[opaque zinc]

Well I do that with

Ncns

Which you don’t have so I don’t know

Basically just make sure to subjugate as many warlords as you can while keeping enough political power

[high harness]

what do i8 not have

[opaque zinc]

And set a lot of troops to garrison your coastline

[high harness]

im kinda lost

[opaque zinc]

That’s how you get the Japanese to get weaker

[high harness]

how do i garrison bro 😭

[opaque zinc]

You should play Finland first if you’re starting

China is pretty difficult

Or not really it’s just

Waiting

And Finland is the same I guess

Man idk

Go watch a tutorial

[high harness]

wym by garrison

[north merlin]

any nations y'all recomend me playing?

[opaque zinc]

Setting troops on your coastline via the area defense option on your field marshals and generals

[high harness]

ohh

[raw crystal]

For newer players, in terms of Majors I reccomend Germany or Italy(which Paradox chose as the tutorial nation).

[high harness]

also should i use tanks on china

[opaque zinc]

Or Denmark!

[opaque zinc]

No

Just not the right terrain for it

And you don’t have the industry

[high harness]

yeah

[opaque zinc]

You don’t need to push the Japanese

[high harness]

i saw a tutorial

[opaque zinc]

You just need to hold them

[high harness]

it said to

[hearty karma]

you justt needa hoid them

haha

get it

[high harness]

i forgot

[opaque zinc]

Good one

[north merlin]

oh im not lookign for ez nations im js looking for fun nations to play cuz im not that new

[opaque zinc]

What dlc do you have

[high harness]

i need as much as guns as possible

to drain their recources

[opaque zinc]

Yall GOTTA listen when I say this

Estonia

Can be super fun

[north merlin]

nsb, bba, aat

[high harness]

wait and also why can some generals command 72 units

[opaque zinc]

What is aat again

[tepid mulch]

defence orders

[opaque zinc]

Those are really for defending the coast right

I mean that’s what I used it for

[north merlin]

arms against tyrrany

[raw crystal]

I find the Monarchist German path fun especially that I could form the EU as Monarchist Germany in the Gotterdammerung DLC.

[opaque zinc]

Oo

Estonia is fun

And so is Norway or Sweden

[tepid mulch]

I use em for coastlines (rarely) and borders

[opaque zinc]

Or Denmark

[north merlin]

kk i try

cuz ngl all the majors are boring

[tepid mulch]

thats if I have a lot of coastline on my core

[high harness]

and the railways theyre broken in china right?

[north merlin]

and i've already tried a few minors that are pretty cool

[tepid mulch]

I did world domination with Luxembourg 😭

[north merlin]

...how...

[opaque zinc]

Not really

Minor nations are more fun though

[tepid mulch]

didnt get a pic myself but this is what it kinda looked like

[north merlin]

usa: u don't do much in general, germany: gets boring after 20 games, britain same thing, france: gahhhhhhhhh soviet union: same as germany, japan: no, italy: acutally i should try italy

[north merlin]

oh, damn how'd u do it?

[tepid mulch]

Pain and suffering

[opaque zinc]

I’m too scared to try Italy

France can be fun

[hearty karma]

italy feels good to play as cus they sucked irl so its good to suck as italy

[dim cargo]

Hey does anyone wanna play?

[tepid mulch]

Italy was the tutorial for me 😭

[hearty karma]

if u get what i mean, at a philosophical stand point

[opaque zinc]

I have like 900 hours but like 400 in game hours

[north merlin]

i js realized i haven't playe ditaly yet

[opaque zinc]

I’ve only played Ethiopia once

[hearty karma]

i played italy for like my first 5 games

[high harness]

engeneer is important irght?

[opaque zinc]

I got the lion that roared and then

[tepid mulch]

If you're learning, go germany, then you literally have all the time in the world

[opaque zinc]

Never again

[north merlin]

yeah i enjoy playing coutnries that sucked irl, like my favorites are: 1. com czec, 2. facist romania, 3. facist finland

[opaque zinc]

I played Hungary a lot

When I first played

And then Spain

And the Baltics

I only played Germany pretty recently

After I got naval arms race I didn’t wanna play again that much

[hearty karma]

i once actually joined the axis as poland and then defeated the soviet union and then left the axis and got invaded by germany and then joined the allies and came back

good times

[tepid mulch]

Have you played the Holy Roman Empire?

[opaque zinc]

Germany is easy

[opaque zinc]

No

[tepid mulch]

Formable nation, its so funny

[raw crystal]

I think of either playing Italy for the Papal State path or the standard path or Monarchist France after doing a monarchist Russia run that ends in a victory. If a nation has a fun Monachist path I will try it out.

[opaque zinc]

Austria has to be one of the most fun countries to play

[opaque zinc]

I wanna do the Roman Empire as Italy

Is that like a specific path I have not checked Italy’s tree in forever

[raw crystal]

I watched videos that the Roman Empire could be formed by the Historical Branch, Alt Fascist path, the Monarchist Branch, and also the Democratic path in Italy's focus tree.

[opaque zinc]

Paradox just ran out of ideas there

Greater Finland type tree

[high harness]

bro how do i get rid of my army corruption debuff china

[tepid mulch]

First game as italy I managed to grab Roman Empire, who knows how i did it though

[opaque zinc]

Isn’t there like 6 of the same formable for Finland

[opaque zinc]

Look through your army tree

[eternal aspen]

What goes into a good nav bomber? Is it just a torpedo mount and thats it or do I also want CAS bombs too?

[misty fossil]

medium airframe with one 2x mg and 2 of your best torps

[high harness]

yo i need some help

[fickle thicket]

yo what u need help with

[lime saffron]

Anyone play ck3

[misty fossil]

he needs help with needing help

[fickle thicket]

lol

[lime saffron]

I need to know why every game on paradox except for ck3 loads instantly

But ck3 takes 15+ mins

[misty fossil]

i dont play ck3 sorry

[viscid mason]

<@&846894118219022336>

[high harness]

its 1938'

am i cooked

[fickle thicket]

decent china hold

[high harness]

fr?

damn alr

i dont want to get puppeted tho

[fickle thicket]

retreat to the river and cycle units

hold the mountains

[high harness]

and what im doing is making forts around chengdu and choncung

with a bunch of troops

[fickle thicket]

dont make forts

waste of ic

[raw crystal]

New record for me of beating the Soviets in the Russian Civil is now 9 months without cheesing.

[vapid quartz]

any games?

[high harness]

yo my stabilliry is really high tho

it doesnt look like imma collapse

YO ITS ABT TO BE 1940

[north merlin]

yo lowk why did it take me like 2 month to take over etheopia as italy

the divisions are trash ngl

[smoky prairie]

Vive le France

[high harness]

any tips for next defence

[smoky prairie]

Not to be too negative, but...

I think you may be screwed

[high harness]

haha

i figured

but i mean im doing okay

its 1940

[smoky prairie]

I mean, its your game - as long as you are having fun, no reason to stop playing

[fickle thicket]

uh why are u vichy but democratic france exists

[smoky prairie]

I'm not Vichy - that's the flag of Fascist France

in HOI4 at least. Yes, historically that was the Vichy flag

In HOI4 though, France gets that flag any time they flip fascist

[fickle thicket]

and your name would change

[smoky prairie]

No, it stays France interestingly enough

could potentially be some of the mods I'm running I suppose

[swift musk]

anyone else having this issue?

[fickle thicket]

i think its every time u open the launcher by itself instead of through steam

[undone veldt]

Has anyone played Novum Vexillum i dont know any strategy for it

[smoky prairie]

suffice to say that there is only 1 France in the game atm (me) and its a Fascist France leading the Latin Entente against Germany

[fickle thicket]

just play the game ig

[smoky prairie]

never played that mod chief - can't help you. Good luck to you though o7

[undone veldt]

Ill see if anyone has made a guide on YT ig but im good enough at vanilla

[high harness]

When does this end brooo

[undone veldt]

🤮

The border gore is crazy

[high harness]

wall 54 countries hahah

[hushed flicker]

wht achievement you guys had most fun doing

[upbeat tundra]

the mods rlly dont like swasikas posted here

js saying

[smoky prairie]

where is there a swastika?

[upbeat tundra]

german divs

[smoky prairie]

That's tiny

[upbeat tundra]

just saying u gotta be carefull

i got warned for something simmilar

[smoky prairie]

Well, I use a historical German flag mod. I've posted screenshots before, even playing as Germany, and never had an issue

[upbeat tundra]

alr js saying to be carefull

[smoky prairie]

I appreciate the concern

[ember dagger]

That is disgusting

[upbeat tundra]

what u dont like cze as the sudetenland only?

or silesia being 1 state big?

or tirolan austria?

[upbeat tundra]

greater germanic reich? nah we got the leaster germanic reich

(tried to puppet germany but my allies kept contesting hence )

[raw crystal]

The UK decided to Guarantee Finlands Independence which is the nation I want to Declare War which puts likely may lead to me joining the Axis as Monarchist Russia if I do.

[karmic viper]

portugal is a fun nation but there's a reason I never really played it

(spolier kinda small focus tree at least for monarchist which is the only thing I have tried)

[upbeat tundra]

rt56

[karmic viper]

Nah

[misty fossil]

rt67 when

[upbeat tundra]

hoi5

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/ъъъ-ььь-твердый-gif-4586402441308420405

[high harness]

when does the war end again?

[true oar]

1944 and you have done nothing

son its fried

🥹

[high harness]

yesssir

we are making it

[misty fossil]

Bro is losing

[high harness]

japans already too strong

bro i held out for like 3 years like this

with better guns and shi

theyre tired

win win

[dusky burrow]

you could try extended tech tree 1960 for a bit of that experience but idk

[misty fossil]

Lmao

[high harness]

bruvva

its strats

[dusky burrow]

yeah strategic bombing hurts

[high harness]

yeah 😄

i got no planes lefr

[woven gate]

i made the Special Military Operation work in MD

it still dragged out but i had it done in like 10 Months

the Western Volunteers were the only thing prolonging the conflict past Weeks

[high harness]

yo is hoi even historically accurate

how come its 1945 and the ww2 isnt over

[true oar]

theres a historical focus but its not 100% accuracy

[proud horizon]

????

[high harness]

when does this japanese war end then what the helll

[proud horizon]

why are my frontlines like this..?

[hard sky]

Hello

[wintry oracle]

@wicked nest i cant hear in the chat :/

but i was the guy u was playing with

im hopping off.

[azure ibex]

https://skribbl.io/?EfC7bu27 join pls

[north hazel]

Will never not be funny to do this as leftie democratic France

[ember dagger]

Thats some vic3 uprisings states

[craggy trail]

[misty fossil]

ip grabber

[fickle thicket]

its so over hungarybros

[dusky burrow]

welp

[silk fern]

turns out sending cavalry a bunch of weak cavalry divisions to fight a very outnumbered fight is not ideal

winning bigly tho

got their entire army in encirclements 😭

[grand forge]

happy zelensky

[uncut wraith]

the attrition and low supply system needs a complete rework

because cold take it is completely unrealistic and bs

my well supplied infantry should be able to overrun axis tanks in africa who have not gotten a drop of water or a single round of ammunition in 2 months

and you should lose manpower not equipment from attrition because why do i losing hundreds of rifles and vehicles from low supply but no men

apparently my men are eating their equipment to stay alive

[lapis snow]

Average British experience in Cyrenaica

[scenic pulsar]

Ive finally found my true calling

its not to actually play the game but to map paint

its beautiful

[dusky burrow]

the casualties rip

[cursive oxide]

Watched Midway yesterday such a good movie

[radiant bone]

It was a good run

[little sparrow]

90285612404819974 hist 1936 germany taken

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[fair horizon]

i dont like how dramatized it is but its good

[lost dawn]

Would this be effective for basic inf?

I used to add an additional battalion of artillery and have one less battalion of inf but as of late I have been using pure 18 width inf blocks

But considering I am not really a tank builder and usually my mountaineers are not good enough to do the work of tanks....

Also. It is now February the 27th and Ethiopia has been defeated. Possibly my quickest push into Ethiopia....

[exotic minnow]

Could someone help me get the sus dlcs?

[exotic minnow]

Mever do line arty

Do 16cmbt width

[icy egret]

Line arty is okay

[exotic minnow]

Its really not

[lost dawn]

16 width inf will not do anything.

[exotic minnow]

It will

[lost dawn]

For inf that is capable of pushing I need something better

[icy egret]

don’t push with infantry

[exotic minnow]

I have 2.5k hours in hoi4 and have big experinece in multi

[lost dawn]

.

[exotic minnow]

Extu

Dont put line arty costs too much 3 combat width sebuffs on org

[icy egret]

If your going offensive infantry than at least motorize or mechanize them

And if you mean RAW infantry than good luck lol

[exotic minnow]

And make tanks what are you doing

If tou dont just make like some mech or really go special forces

[lost dawn]

I'm simply trying to find better ways to do things. It's not like I am an incompetent player. I can achieve decent things like this Eastern Roman Empire...

I just want to find a way to achieve that without losing so much manpower.

[icy egret]

Tanks don’t cost manpower, when they are in combat they barely loose anything

(okay they technically do but it’s basically nothing)

[trim lotus]

If you're going to push with infantry:

1. Use wide division templates, preferably 35-36W much like a good armored division.
2. No line artillery. It hasn't been much good for a long time.
3. Preferentially use special forces units rather than line infantry for offensive units.

As for tanks, they can lose manpower, it's just that ideal armored division design creates a unit which takes little strength damage whilst rapidly crushing any opposition.

[lost dawn]

I am sorry but a 36 width block of mountaineers won't push

[trim lotus]

If attempting a frontal assault into a heavily defended frontline, yes, infantry may take a very long time to crack through. They lack the overwhelming soft attack of SPGs; unfortunately line artillery is not an effective substitute due to its combat width and near-criminal lack of breakthrough, HP, armor and org.

The only other recommendation I can make is to get yourself green air and CAS bomb your opponents into oblivion.

[lost dawn]

So what type of inf would be best?

A 3x3 block of inf with support artillery, engineers and cavalry recon?

[trim lotus]

Special forces, or mechanized infantry.

[heavy vigil]

sf clears

[trim lotus]

18-width is not recommended for offensives. Attacking units take a lot of strength damage, and narrow units can't stack HP and breakthrough like a wider division template.

[heavy vigil]

well, no

not exactly that

its that theres unit targetting

when attack exceeds defense, it deals more damage

[lost dawn]

Okay. Let me clear things up.

[heavy vigil]

so having a lot of attacks per target is good

and also, high hp is just less losses taken

[lost dawn]

Let's say I forgot about attacking enemies with my inf.

What kind of inf would be best.

[trim lotus]

For defensive line infantry? 8-9 infantry battalions, support artillery, support AA last I played.

[lost dawn]

And engineers

I am geussing.

[trim lotus]

Engineers can help, but they're quite expensive for the benefits they provide, and it's usually better just to spam out more divisions.

(The primary exceptions are either late-game play when you have a wild excess of IC, or if you're defending a fixed, unmoving defensive line e.g. the Maginot for a very long time)

(And offensive units, but you were asking for line infantry)

[lost dawn]

And what about mountaineers

[heavy vigil]

its stuff like this where new players struggle

theyll add like

line artillery, engineers, cav recon or whatever to all inf

and when your economy is already bad, now all your economy is going into support stuff

[lost dawn]

I wouldn't say I am a new player.

[heavy vigil]

meh, hours dont matter

[lost dawn]

More like... a player that is simply trying to achieve military objectives in a more effective way as opposed to what I have been doing

[heavy vigil]

new or not new is more like a mindset

[lost dawn]

And relying less on my allies.

[trim lotus]

You can play a long time without having done the necessary experiments or learned the right things to optimize.

[heavy vigil]

or short

[trim lotus]

(I'd also mention that regardless of circumstances, cavalry recon is a complete waste. Recon companies in general don't do much, except maybe the mountaineer specialist one)

[heavy vigil]

ranger recon is goated

like ive talked to some people who say engis > ranger recon by a bit but its also like

its half the cost

[lost dawn]

I will once again put the question out there

[heavy vigil]

think cost effectiveness

[lost dawn]

What about mountaineers? What does a good mountaineer template look like?

[heavy vigil]

read bottom right number

[heavy vigil]

bunch of dudes

[lost dawn]

I'm sorry but from experience... the standard 36 width mountaineers don't seem to be able to push

[heavy vigil]

yeah

too large

your gun tech or guns equipped probably suck

gotta give them guns

[lost dawn]

This is literally what a standard 36 width mountaineer template looks like without having seen combat before (and thus lacking army experience to advance the army doctrine)

[heavy vigil]

exercise

+25% bonus

also use a general which doesnt suck

finland is a good nation if you wanna learn hoi4

[lost dawn]

A waste of equipment for nations like Greece

[heavy vigil]

you gotta learn how to stack the modifiers

[heavy vigil]

never a waste? lol

especially with new doctrines

[lost dawn]

The mere fact that you are training your units means they are losing guns

[heavy vigil]

okay?

so what

its a 25% multiplicative bonus

you can train with bad guns

[lost dawn]

And when you start as Greece... you do not have that kind of an industry to keep up.

[heavy vigil]

bro, modifiers matter

these are just 36w pure cav no support divs

[lost dawn]

And you do not have the research slots or industry to get yourself an airforce (besides for the planes that you start the game with)

[heavy vigil]

or 32?

i forgot its a while ago

mengukuo pre update for reference*

no industry, no research

well, i did research and build

theres just little

[lost dawn]

It is already 1941 in that screenshot though

[heavy vigil]

yes, after killing china

with ai japan

[lost dawn]

Most of the progress, if you want to achieve anything, must be made before Turkey can do their political focusses

[heavy vigil]

wait no

china wasnt even dead

it was like ahist

everything was bad

anyway, just to show that even with only guns

you can get some stats

even if you have nothing

theres plenty of other examples

[lost dawn]

So this is all well and good but if you are starting your war against Turkey in early 1937 none of these tips will help.

[heavy vigil]

they will

if youre fighting turkiye in 1937 i can give more specific advice, though

[lost dawn]

You do not have the research slots to get yourself some planes before that time at least.

[heavy vigil]

dont change your units other than removing engineers

make only guns and maybe 1 on arty for supports, but iirc you dont start with it

then you just want to go back to the thessaloniki line, encircle turkish guys

until when you have more units than them you can naval invade or walk in

planes are not what im recommending here either way

[lost dawn]

This is the best tactic

[heavy vigil]

tho you do want to shift click exercise your guys

thats fine

[wide osprey]

today is the devdiary ❤️

[lost dawn]

And simply repeat that over and over

Untill turkey has around 14 divisions

but then you have to get a move on or else Romania will start sending units into turkey

Which is also fine if you can isolate them to one port and kill them when they land.

[lost dawn]

I hope the devs will change the Greek focus tree one day...

[arctic mauve]

Hi all

[lost dawn]

You are pretty much done with your tree by early 1940.

[cursive oxide]

Prop with greec byzantine empire is Romania

[ember vine]

I was thinking about it yesterday

[lost dawn]

True

[lost dawn]

If you can somehow overcome Romania though...

[cursive oxide]

You can't killed very easy

[lost dawn]

Greece mogs everyone

[ember vine]

There should be a way to unite the greeks

[lost dawn]

In my mind the Fascist path of Greece should not immediately put you into a war with Turkey.

[cursive oxide]

[lost dawn]

What I would change....

You should start with a few focusses that reinforce the Balkan part of the empire. Take out Bulgaria.... demand Albania and macedonia. Those kind of things

[ember vine]

Alexandroupoli should be split into 2 provinces change my mind

[lost dawn]

Then... you should have the "resurrecting the megali idea" focus

and these focusses

[vernal beacon]

how do i win this

idk how they even get supply

[lost dawn]

But after Turkey there are no more focusses

[vernal beacon]

but i can give more info if needed

[whole matrix]

Why kaiserredux giving most random nations buffs better than majors

[static creek]

Too balkan

[grave sonnet]

2balkan4u was peak

[vernal beacon]

and what is this

i need dominance but it wont work

[cursive oxide]

[vernal beacon]

?

tell me

[cursive oxide]

Change the navel thing first thing in the row with the green +

[cursive oxide]

Yes the greec needs a rework and buffs against turkey

[lost dawn]

And actual proper chances.

The only viable war tactic Greece players have now is abusing one strategy

[cursive oxide]

And bleeding to dead

[lost dawn]

a tactic that the AI will never do

[cursive oxide]

Cus Romania wil join axis in 1940

So have fun with that

[vernal beacon]

is this a good division so i can destroy the danubian federation

i will attack thru romania too

[heavy vigil]

it wont work

[vernal beacon]

dam

[heavy vigil]

13K cost, 25hp

thats definitely something

[vernal beacon]

how do i make that get more hp i tried