hoi4-general

[sharp ginkgo]

i was about to say those were some WACKY cosmetic mods

[zealous lynx]

Thats why im gonna make space marines

[sharp ginkgo]

is that game good?

[terse skiff]

no space marines suck

[silk furnace]

this is so hoi4 meta

[grave sonnet]

Aoh2 my beloved

[zealous lynx]

WE love AOH2

[snow rain]

the answer is no
to be considered a viable offensive template, you have multiple conditions (entirely made up by me, this is my opinion based on my experience and understanding of the game mechanics in singleplayer. Feel free to discuss those rules) :

• Breakthrough must be above 200 flat. Even higher if you don't have air supremacy (just fighters) as, otherwise, you suffer a 33% penalty in combat
• Soft attack must at bare minimum be 200 (early war) to 400 (later war) soft attack so it packs some punch
• HP are important : bare minimum of 200
• Org at 30 for tanks, 40 for inf, 50 for special forces (usual templates have this with no issues)
• Combat width is important : 32, 33, 35, 36, 38 combat width depending on the terrain, ALWAYS
• support companies are important, and doctrines as well. Medium flame tanks, light tank recon are good to stack breakthrough ; sup arty paired with assault infatry doctrine is a good combo ; super heavy howitzers with siege arty doctrine are very powerful with inf, hospital is almost essential, support AA can be safely replaced with a single line AA batallion to save up a slot)

[grave sonnet]

Simple & easy

[silk furnace]

"we like fortnight" -Braun

[grave sonnet]

Big number > Small Number

[zealous lynx]

Seems good

[zealous lynx]

But the games combat is so advanced

equal division < defending equal division

[snow rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcp1ooD_YqY

remember

[zealous lynx]

Like bro how

[snow rain]

segl is there to explain too

[zealous lynx]

Now

I have a quesiton

[silk furnace]

segl my beloved

[zealous lynx]

question*

[grave sonnet]

True

[zealous lynx]

Would it be good

If i add 1 or 2 tank divs

To increase that armor and breaktrough

And also i can call it space marines

[terse skiff]

space marines suck

stop using them

[snow rain]

you mean batallions, that's called a spacemarine, it's fine but isn't as good as it used to

[terse skiff]

they've been sucking since piercing mechanics changed

[molten forge]

any advice for fighting japan

[snow rain]

as china I'm guessing

[molten forge]

chinese soviet

[zealous lynx]

Well how do i increase breaktrough alternatively

[molten forge]

wait let me take a screenshot

[terse skiff]

making actual armored divisions

[zealous lynx]

Fake

[terse skiff]

and things like assault engineer, ranger recon etc

[zealous lynx]

Inf on top

[snow rain]

get guns 1 asap, guns 0 have no stats
get support arty
get support AA once you have that
do 16width to hold the line, do 32w bricks to push reliably

[terse skiff]

and if you really want to make flame tanks with maxxed out breakthrough

[zealous lynx]

Im already using support arty and AA but wdym guns

[molten forge]

i have guns no gun 2 switch?

[zealous lynx]

Like in the research

[zealous lynx]

Oh aight

[snow rain]

example of good breakthrough on "inf" (half of it is coming from light tank recon and med flame tank), the rest from gun 3 and doctrines (assault infantry, grand assault)

[grave sonnet]

Mountain boys and tree boys together

[zealous lynx]

I couldn't help but notice

But is your game in french

[silk furnace]

thats js a fakestat

[molten forge]

so few issues, i dont have the 5th slot

[terse skiff]

yeah it's french sausage time

[raw crystal]

I replace Light Tanks with Medium tanks once it reaches late 1938 or 1939. Are Medium tanks still the ideal tanks to use?

[stark elbow]

36w is the best width?

[snow rain]

not my template, but yes
my game is in english because I play MP with HMM and used to play Oak2

[silk furnace]

mostly

[grave sonnet]

Best width for atac

[terse skiff]

med spg for sp, med td for mp

[zealous lynx]

Okay but i have 1 more question

[silk furnace]

wait u played oak?

[zealous lynx]

Can units die without getting encircled

[stark elbow]

yeah

[silk furnace]

do u have any tips or are the guides actually good?

[terse skiff]

if they run out of equipment then yeah

[zealous lynx]

So if i pumell their divs do the die

[silk furnace]

been playing some on official

[snow rain]

32-33w is more versatile, 38width and even 39width are now viable and used in MP, 36w is versatile (except mountains and marshes but, you know, tanks in mountains and allat) and has good stats everywhere

[zealous lynx]

Okay but if i give them a beating without encircling can they die

[molten forge]

can i ask if the template i sent is okay for japan?

[terse skiff]

if you move to their tile before they retreat then yeah

[stark elbow]

soo for defense i should go 32w?

[snow rain]

hard to do, it's called strenght killed btw

[zealous lynx]

Okay

[snow rain]

in MP yes
32 or 35 depending on your front

in singleplayer 18w is best
higher width are for attacks

[zealous lynx]

Because i want to know if losses actually mean anything

[stark elbow]

kk thx

[silk furnace]

yes

[zealous lynx]

Because i focus on keeping them low

I stop attacks if i see constant red bubbles

[terse skiff]

ofc they do

you lose equipment, manpower, war support, and troop experience

[molten forge]

i just wanna know if this is ok rn

[snow rain]

the reasoning for that is that in SP, ai sucks, it has little stats and so you don't need to max defense (any extra defense that isn't used in combat doesn't give anything), it's better to org wall
in MP, not only does the divs attacking have way more stats, requiring way more defense, but you'll also regularly have to use last stand to not get encircle or lose key provinces, hence the need for bigger divs with more defense and more HP
@stark elbow

[zealous lynx]

Also rate my strat

For abilities

Right so you see

AI likes to spam abilities

And it annoys me asf

[stark elbow]

thx man thats bc im doing a run w fortified rivers so i wondered whats the best for that occasion

[zealous lynx]

So i send my guys in and then move them back to bait an ability

And i keep doing it until they have no more command power left and i push in and kill them

[snow rain]

you do not
when you see AI force attacking, you just use that inf to counterattack (if you can) to strengh-kill divs due to their double combat penality

[zealous lynx]

Because c'mon guys im too good

[silk furnace]

cuz w force attack divs lose a looooot of strenght

[zealous lynx]

Okay

[chilly trout]

is this normal like i need to have a state to start a border conflict against it?

[zealous lynx]

Bro im 1.

In rise of nations

[snow rain]

only if they were losing in the first place or if they have very low breakthrough and HP compared to enemy stats
but yeah, that's the idea. It replaces org damage with strengh damage. Meaning that if you were gonna die, you will die but not only just fall back but lose equipment and manpower

[zealous lynx]

Im too good bro

[silk furnace]

what is that game

wait is that roblox

[lofty adder]

How start bomb iraq

[zealous lynx]

Its the only good game on roblox

The rest of roblox is mostly shit

Im gone guys

Cya

[snow rain]

read what it says

it's literally written

[lofty adder]

attack width is 36?

[past summit]

Truly one of the HOI4 moments of all time

[snow rain]

the nobrainer is, yes

[vapid sparrow]

where do i do so?

[snow rain]

steam, properties of hoi4, local viles, verify game files integrity

[fair bough]

How do i fix this bro

[snow rain]

as for restarting steam
steam>quit steam

[lofty adder]

What

[vapid sparrow]

still doesnt work

[fair bough]

Im the chinese im getting invaded from al sides the soviets capped

[snow rain]

you just asked how to do it, there's no way you did both in the same time

[past summit]

Ion think this winnable anymore

[fair bough]

I prob have to restart

Its 1953 or something

[sly venture]

gotta love how airforce can make the difference between winning and losing

[fair bough]

Are you good at the game?

[vapid sparrow]

;-; am i losing the game

[sly venture]

idk maybe

[vapid sparrow]

i cant even download it

[fair bough]

Is it possible for you to fix my world?

[sly venture]

Wdym?

[fair bough]

Im china

[sly venture]

I’ve never played China

I can’t help you with that

[fair bough]

Okay

[snow rain]

did you restart steam ? I want a screenshot of the steam popup telling you it's updating as proof at this point

[molten forge]

3x3 for defense right?

alright

[molten forge]

32 width for offense?

[terse skiff]

36 is more universal

[snow rain]

restart steam, as I told you 3 times

[sly venture]

naval bombers made English naval supremacy go from 12k to 2k in 5 seconds

[terse skiff]

32 is for mountains and marshes

[snow rain]

is it that hard to do ?

[sage plover]

ello lads

[fair bough]

Yo

R u goid at the game

[silk furnace]

can i remove my alt hist role without leaving serv?

[sage plover]

ehh, so so

im decent. aint the best but ik my way around now

[vernal beacon]

where is the army innovations focus?

[fair bough]

Im china could u fix this?

[sage plover]

800 or so hours

[sage plover]

communist china or?

[fair bough]

Yep

[silk furnace]

800 hours is so goated

[daring geyser]

you're a game helper, can't get angry, you're going to get sprayed with water

[silk furnace]

so true

[sage plover]

are you fighting the entire world?

what year is it </3

[fair bough]

Only the allies with soviets but they capped

[vernal beacon]

the video is from 2024 and idk if i still can get the focuses done in the same way now

[fair bough]

Like 1962

1952

[snow rain]

I'm tired of people not reading what we tell them 😭

[sage plover]

mate...

[fair bough]

I moss clicked 1952

[sage plover]

atp its honestly best to just call your losses ngl </3

playing till 52 is tragic

[fair bough]

His is for a challenge bro i dont want to restart

[sage plover]

do you have air supremacy?

or armour divisions

[fair bough]

I lowkey dont know anymore

[fair bough]

Like 3

But i have good mountaneers

[sage plover]

thats something. you preferably wanna consolidate your front lines anre re-organize. your best bet is to first try push them out of shangdong and make sure they cant connect upto the lands in manchuria

[vernal beacon]

whats that bruh

i need this one

[fair bough]

Il give it a shot tmrw im abt to sleep

[vernal beacon]

army innovations

[vapid sparrow]

nvm

downloaded

u were right

[silk furnace]

what

[lofty adder]

this is before the gottermadernorg

[silk furnace]

thats the old germany tree

[quick jungle]

quick question, why is my phase design on nuclear going WAY faster than it should be going? like even on speed 5 its not this fast for specific output types

[silk furnace]

that was such a good focus tree

[fair bough]

What version you playing bro

[silk furnace]

i loved it

[sage plover]

its the german tree without goterdamerung

[vernal beacon]

can i still do holy roman empire and get a focus like treaty with the ussr

cause i need the technology trade

[vernal beacon]

idk newest

[silk furnace]

no cuz u get free historical

even without gotter

[fair bough]

Nah without is way different

[silk furnace]

like w new japaan

i dont have ncns but i still get hist new jap path

[sage plover]

you do? oh i thought they just kept the old focus tree for germany, and only w goterdamerung did they change it

[vernal beacon]

im just gonna start new with a newer video

[fair bough]

Same

[daring geyser]

The first image is of the old German focus tree, which was a thing before the Gotterdammerung DLC (1.14 patch). The army innovations focus is now replaced by another focus and is no longer present in the new DLC. Also don't watch that guide since the game has changed a bunch since 2024, especially Germany, which has changed dramatically.

[vernal beacon]

any idea if i should play historical or not for holy roman empire?

[silk furnace]

GOTTER WAS 1.14?!?!?

WHAT

[fair bough]

Maybe you should watch the newest

[sage plover]

sorry. honestly i havent played without the DLC's

[vernal beacon]

cause when i tried there was already austria hungary

[sage plover]

whenever a new one comes out i usually just bite the bullet

[vernal beacon]

and i couldnt annex austria and other stuff

[terse skiff]

that gives me ptsd of when i was a eu4 helper 😭

[vernal beacon]

this one new enough?

1 year

[sage plover]

the lands of the crown of saint stephen goes so hard

[vernal beacon]

and do i gotta play non or with historical ai

[silk furnace]

1 year is still pretty old

hoi changes a lot

[sage plover]

if your playing historical germany i dont think you can form HRE

if thats what your asking

does the non-goterdamerung have the non-hist paths?

or some simplified version ofthem

[silk furnace]

it does have a non hist path

its old

but gold

[sage plover]

oh, fair

so can you form HRE on that non-hist path?

[vernal beacon]

but i can choose focuses

its just about ai i think

[silk furnace]

yes

[sage plover]

wait im confused. what are you asking?

[vernal beacon]

i can choose my path cause its not ai

[sage plover]

yeah?

[vernal beacon]

thats why historical only changes ai behaviour not player

[sage plover]

oh, yeah

player behavior can also impact ai behavior

[vernal beacon]

then why couldnt

oh

but i can make french communistic with focus

[sage plover]

if you go non-hist as germany. britain and france also goes non-hist usually

[vernal beacon]

and get belgium and benelux thru focuses

[sage plover]

apparently soviets will also go non-hist if germany does. though personally i havent seen that

[raw crystal]

I love the new Germany Focus Tree, I love the idea of restoring monarchies.

[grizzled zenith]

How does the Polish AI get cavalry after I removed all the templates, left them with no pp or army xp and even removed all the infantry equipment?

[grizzled zenith]

And I removed the spirit that reduces the cost of cavalry too

And I even filled the training queue with 1 artillery units

[raw crystal]

I am deciding to either do another monarchist Germany run and hopefully win against the Allies, Monarchist France, Monarchist Russia, or Papal State Italy.

[lost dawn]

I am out of ideas lads

My allies are not doing their part in this war

[wet flicker]

you ever tried uploading on disaster saves?

[lost dawn]

If allies you can even all them...

They've been eating my supply and then simply not pushing.

They've been ignoring fronts that I did not have the troops to deal with

I am now 88% towards capitulation and out of equipment.

How it started

[keen pebble]

how do i fix design too expensive? it feels like i cant build anything

[lost dawn]

Bulgaria joining the axis also screwed me big time...

[keen pebble]

nvm im dumb

😭

[lost dawn]

I would have dealt with them sooner... but the allies had decided to guarantee them.

It may be over

92%

[prisma steppe]

nah this is doable

[lost dawn]

94%

[prisma steppe]

just release turkiee

[lost dawn]

Impossible

Besides.

I do not want to cheese my way out of this

[prisma steppe]

the frontlines are kinda fuggd

[lost dawn]

I know

And there is no supply

[prisma steppe]

reorg them under one marshall and to combined front

at least at the turkiee front

[lost dawn]

My infantry units are all under one field marshall

[quasi viper]

France had a communist revolt and a fascist revolt on Historical AI and the fascists won 😭

[prisma steppe]

yeah but thou dont have the combined front line order

ask for exp forces from your allies, accept their LL

send ds save

[lost dawn]

I want some war score my man

[prisma steppe]

show thine templates

& stockpiles

[lost dawn]

relatively simple 9 blobs of inf with Support Arty, Anti Air, Field Hospital, Engineers and recon

[prisma steppe]

do they have equipemt?

i think not

remoove FH's and do the special forces recon units

[lost dawn]

The what now

[prisma steppe]

5,7k support equipment in the hole jesus

[terse skiff]

how do you have ic to build mechs and only build 13 guns a day

[prisma steppe]

@lost dawn cometh to Vetting1 Vc

[lost dawn]

I am still building mech because the factories assigned to other things like artillery and towed anti air were overrun by the enemy and I have yet to sort the procution after they did get overrun

[ornate tapir]

hello, i want to learn how to play base hoi4 but i feel overwhelmed by amount of mechanics and stats

[lost dawn]

No can do boss. VC would wake up my folks.

[ornate tapir]

is there any good tutorial for mentally challenged?

[terse skiff]

yeah it's called go to pins in help channel

[prisma steppe]

those doctrines

[graceful citrus]

Dear paradox interactive, why the hell does spain have a longer focus tree then france?? Its literally been neutral the whole war and only has a civil war🥀🥀🥀

[lost dawn]

Don't have any mountaineers at the moment.

So no recon rangers for me

[prisma steppe]

get them as fast as possible

two of them stack for some reason

[terse skiff]

because you only pick one sixth of spain's focus tree

[prisma steppe]

as you have little to no equipment there is another strat

but its cheesie

[graceful citrus]

Its still really really long and a lot longer then france’s

[terse skiff]

no it's not

france has more political paths than spain which already means france will have a bigger focus tree

[prisma steppe]

go to all equipment in the army tab

[quick jungle]

genuinely remembered when i did this in hoi4

[prisma steppe]

if you cant find it

[quick jungle]

anyone know the best tank template?

[prisma steppe]

for what tho?

[quick jungle]

big thing, im the major leader of the allies as bulgaria, the last standing nation if you exclude some

britains occupied

france is occupied

[prisma steppe]

pushing, reinforce memeing, equipment farming/killing,

i would get holding, so get as much soft attack & defense

wait a minute

[quick jungle]

i have to defend until romania joins the axis, because then so i can get them and plan a special berlin

(atom bomb)

[prisma steppe]

what tech lvl?

[lost dawn]

So much death. What can men do against such reckless hate...

[prisma steppe]

ah so late war

[quick jungle]

i went a little ahead, modern

[acoustic wasp]

can someone PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE tell me how the freak do you get rid of yugoslavia and god damn romania without hitler shoving his nose into the god damn war as poland please someone tell me how the hell are you supposed to do it

and no im not going to attack germany with 3 infantry armies, 2 of them being 15w defensive infantry

[prisma steppe]

gib me some time

or better yet cometh to vetting 1

[prisma steppe]

cause best tank division has quite a lot of stuff behind the scenes

[blazing river]

do it before you get invaded ig

[acoustic wasp]

the moment i declare on yugoslavia romania joins the axis 2 days later and get germany to invade

i tried it 3 times

it's 1939

you know what

im not invading

queuing up my armoured division

im killing hitler first on his death anniversary

https://tenor.com/view/dog-grave-peeing-eww-gross-gif-15451150

gonna hit this on berlin

then take romania

[blazing river]

https://youtu.be/FBPdhlwqMwM?si=qaFy4L9v2nrERf0f

[acoustic wasp]

and im going to put it on brutal oppression

just cause

[blazing river]

lowk u do do all that in this guide

[acoustic wasp]

watched it, felt like he cheesed the game in some instances but im largerly following the basics of it

[acoustic wasp]

they have made my life so hard with hungary, poland and a number of minors

how does one raise mainpower

guys also what was that defense template with rocket arty i just unlocked it

[prisma steppe]

idk this maybe?, of couse without spirits, planning boni and doctrines

[acoustic wasp]

does it still work/

[raven lotus]

anime Stalin

[acoustic wasp]

i usually do this, for builds where i dont want infantry tanks i swap mountaineers or regular infantry with motorised / mechanised

just aim for 30 or 36 width

both are fine

you can also manipulate the amount of infantry or tanks if you dont have enough industry to support 400 or 300 tanks per division

keep the width but change the ratios

this screenshot is 34 i just noticed

but you get the idea

just go

4 4 2 4 4

[lethal ether]

show stats

[lethal ether]

he a hottie

[acoustic wasp]

im gonna do normal infantry cuz i dont have enough divisions to field 12 of these to fight germany

and also motorised recon cuz i only got inter war light tanks

just gotta somehow horde 80 xp asap

germans just got done with france

i only got enough tanks for 2 divisions kek

im so cooked

0 manpower too

[daring geyser]

not at all

[ember vine]

"❌ owns Karpatalja" 🤓

[leaden moth]

insane trade

[ember vine]

Whatever dev made this focus is a dumbass

I have carpathian ruthenia so why ask for it

Stupid ass game

Everything is made to be an arcade instead of a real strategy game

[acoustic wasp]

god romania is SO ANNOYING

[ember vine]

This game is annoying itself

[acoustic wasp]

it's really stupid their units are on steroids for no reason, they keep joining germany even though they're non aligned, if you attack them in freaking 1920 they immediately join the axis and call germany into war now your country is just gone in 2 days

and miss romanov here is not helping with man power at all

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G-LotRSXcAAnArr.gif

[sudden thistle]

Trust him

He knows something we don’t

[daring geyser]

@prisma steppe @quick jungle

the current multiplayer meta consists of divisions alike this:

except in singleplayer you're going to want

soft attack focused medium tanks instead of heavy tds

[lethal ether]

where is the meta armored cars

[daring geyser]

do that and it's pretty much one of the most reliable and best tank divisions you can make for most of the game

[sudden thistle]

(Spam super heavy tanks)

[acoustic wasp]

some nations are genuinely unplayable without you cheesing or abusing something

im going to sleep

no more minors

[daring geyser]

❎

[molten forge]

bro

[acoustic wasp]

only minors i'll play are finland and soviet china

[sudden thistle]

🛫

[molten forge]

i just played poland, feels like the lost cause even with germans not attacking

[lethal ether]

bulgaria romania hungary austria and every other minor is fun too

[molten forge]

play spain

its pain

[lethal ether]

why

[molten forge]

just play it

very fun

def easy

[lethal ether]

i will

[molten forge]

def not painfull at all

[lethal ether]

no spain no gain

[acoustic wasp]

hungary is not fun, i tried communist hungary shit had me wanting to shove valuable parts of my body into an industrial meat grinder while singing opera, all because of this bald useless prick, whenever you sneeze on him he calls germany to bulldoze you

[sudden thistle]

Play some minor power like Italy

[molten forge]

btw @sudden thistle do you think its possible to win civil before anarchist

[lethal ether]

or ussr

[acoustic wasp]

i played fascist italy twice, was ok, communist italian tree was HORRIBLE

[sudden thistle]

Italy is a regional power

[sudden thistle]

Ummm

[acoustic wasp]

the only minor i genuinely had fun with while it remained challenging was finland

[sudden thistle]

Yeah

[acoustic wasp]

the rest are just

[lethal ether]

italy litteraly colonized europe

[sudden thistle]

Don’t ask me how to though

[acoustic wasp]

set up to make you abuse something, cheese or get your ass handed to you

[molten forge]

iraq maybe?

[acoustic wasp]

unless you start juggling tech and doing some optimisation gymnastics with no error

[sudden thistle]

Erm proof 🤓 /s

[lethal ether]

italy colonized mars

[acoustic wasp]

idk i just want to play the european nations first before i go to the middle east or latin america

[sharp ginkgo]

finally........

[sudden thistle]

Seems valid enough

[sharp ginkgo]

only took 28 hours 😭

[acoustic wasp]

one question

[lethal ether]

play bulgaria

[sudden thistle]

U forgot Bermuda

[acoustic wasp]

how do you not get your game to lag heavily after 1946

division limiters?

[lethal ether]

ew whats that

[sharp ginkgo]

Simple

I don't

:)

[sudden thistle]

Well it’s Ironman so they can’t

[lethal ether]

1946 lag is what makes the game fun

[sudden thistle]

So how bad is Brazil from 1/10

[snow rain]

excuse me you're converting arty !?

[acoustic wasp]

what's fun about it before i spend 20 minutes of my life organising MIOs and 30 more reading the focus tree

[snow rain]

and trucks ???

[sharp ginkgo]

i have probably been playing at 10 fps for the past like 18 hours

[molten forge]

lowk

[sharp ginkgo]

its actually quite good tbf

[sudden thistle]

😭

[acoustic wasp]

why not

[molten forge]

play portugal or spain

[snow rain]

it's wasted cost

[sharp ginkgo]

you get to core the entirety of south america

[restive sable]

that looks painful

[sudden thistle]

It’s gets boring after the 2-3rd game though

[acoustic wasp]

spain feels like a major

[snow rain]

you're converting it to the new MIO variant for for like .2 soft atk more

[sharp ginkgo]

only real obstacle is the US

155 million core population

[molten forge]

then do world annex with portugal

[acoustic wasp]

i mean im not about to face germany or stalin with ww1 artillery on my only 3 armies

[sudden thistle]

Was the Darien gap fun to push

[sharp ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-cat-uncanny-cat-funny-stare-gif-15718504553229444082

[snow rain]

this means you need more ww2 arty, you don't need to convert the few ww2 pieces you have to one with .2 sa more

wth

[sharp ginkgo]

the entirety of colombia was bs

[sudden thistle]

Take that as a “almost died irl”

[acoustic wasp]

they're like 10 arty pieces anyway

not 1000

[snow rain]

also, 10 mils on arty but 5 on guns ??? Hello ?

[sharp ginkgo]

no fighting the third rome for genuinely 13 hours was the thing that almost killed me

especially because the AI had a brain for once and started using TANKS....

and had 1300 mils producing planes

[sudden thistle]

No nuclear bombs?

[acoustic wasp]

i was behind on guns the default templates didnt have arty, and i added it and i needed the arty because my offensive division has line arty and i was going to war with hungary and yugoslavia

[restive sable]

what the hell

[acoustic wasp]

i have like 8k rifles

dont need more for now

[sharp ginkgo]

i took down the us, uk and japan without any air because i dont know how to balance industry between air and army

[restive sable]

guns run out fast you want as many as humanly possible

[snow rain]

never remove factories that are on full efficiency for something you don't have enormous stockpiles of

[sharp ginkgo]

uk and japan were pretty easy tbf, i had the US navy

but it was still like 1946

[jade ore]

thats like 8 divisions

[acoustic wasp]

didnt add them in the first place, stuck with 5 factories on rifles

[sharp ginkgo]

hadn't researched them yet

[snow rain]

guns are THE equipment you never want to get rid of factories on
for any country, going below 10 on guns is almost always trolling

you're gonna be hard in the hole of guns in about a year

[acoustic wasp]

doesnt matter anyway both hitler and stalin are justifying and miss pacifist here is locking me on limited conscription

im going to sleep

[jade ore]

8k guns is like 5 failed attacks

[dusky burrow]

poland here?

[snow rain]

you gave up danzig and you gave them memel
you only have to worry about soviets

[acoustic wasp]

yeah tried romanov poland without cheesing and abusing like the playthrough guide and only annexed hungary and lithuiania and estonia

[jade ore]

give up danzig

[dusky burrow]

you don't have yugoslavia?

oof, bad luck ig

[sharp ginkgo]

my ass got pushed out of europe SO quickly after going to war with them and i basically couldnt do anything for like 3 hours while i made tank destroyers and an air force, and then i slummed through taking back ALL of europe and then slowly pushing into russian territory

[acoustic wasp]

this is all i got lmao

[sharp ginkgo]

i only survived ebcause the russians never made a navy so they couldnt get to my cores lol

[dusky burrow]

or just cripple the germans in ~200 days and rush your forces back onto the soviet borders

[acoustic wasp]

tried 2 previous playthroughs, 1938, you sneeze on romania they immediately join the axis and germany bulldozes you

mega manpower issues

[sharp ginkgo]

22 million russian casualties by the time the war ended, they were completely drained of manpower

[sudden thistle]

No cheesing is a W

[acoustic wasp]

already did

and memel

gave them all up

[sudden thistle]

Give it up again

[acoustic wasp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1448605516271190069/1471252264629829902/IMG_1822.gif

[daring geyser]

those are terrible templates, line artillery is not good in any circumstance

[sharp ginkgo]

LOLLLLL

[acoustic wasp]

i mean 18w with support companies usually suffer so bad on casualties and it's not like im running on blocks of human meat and free conscription laws

that template was fine on the offensive

[daring geyser]

18w is for defense, you don't attack with them

[acoustic wasp]

well i tried he holy human brick of only infantry 36w and it wasnt nice

i dont find line arty that bad

like practically

[sharp ginkgo]

i also don't see the downsides lowk

[daring geyser]

and you usually don't have more than 2 support companies on 18ws unless mass mob, which then you should be doing 16ws

[acoustic wasp]

i understand on areas with low supplies like eastern front

[sharp ginkgo]

apart from less org

[acoustic wasp]

but im doing good on supplies

[sudden thistle]

If hoi4 nerding is ur power, what are u without it

[acoustic wasp]

i stopped using 18 widths anyways and i use 16 and 12 , im only going mad in this playthrough because of the manpower issues

i cant lose men at all

[sudden thistle]

Ask the enemy to not kill ur men

[vital cove]

use 32/36w

[acoustic wasp]

i use 30 and 36 with offensive divisions, i mean the basic infantry back bone spam i usually use 16 and 12

depending on the nations

[vital cove]

small divisions/arty = more losses

[daring geyser]

they are objectively bad

1)special forces and guns technology rush achieve much bigger stats than them in all metrics

2)their bad hp makes ALL equipment be lost at a bigger ratio, because hp = to strength, and artillery having a low hp stat means strength loss is bigger for the entire division

3)awful breakthrough makes pushes last shorter

4)last but definitely not least, they have bad terrain modifiers which make their stats in battle lackluster. what makes current hoi4 meta the meta is stacking terrain modifiers.

5)this is an example of an attack infantry template done right:

[lusty river]

the clutch of the history, 3 paratrooper armies lost and retrained, 3 times my whole army got deleted once i landed but i crashed my game to go back in time and retreat and whole fleet lost

[vital cove]

since small divisions = lower hp

[daring geyser]

👆

[vital cove]

go big divisions and individual excellence

possibly mass assault even for +10% hp

and pick up desperate defense

[sudden thistle]

U need to be in defensive war

[acoustic wasp]

yeah the only problem is i do not have enough man power or divisions to mass spam special forces, regular infantry will remain bad for pushing no matter what i do, im just trying to get 15w on the defensive template and for the 36w thought i'd add some teeth to the division

[acoustic wasp]

i cant

romanov poland

manpower is trash

you have to cheese, declare on hungary and then pray they attack yugoslavia or something like that then let them annex it so you can get the conscription laws and war economy stuff

im not cheesing the game

might as well pull up the console while im at it

i dont like playing like that

[sudden thistle]

This guy knows ball

The only cheesing I use is the license exploit I’m pretty sure

[acoustic wasp]

the only "cheesing" i do is rarely when i really really need to, add the armoured light spaa

[sudden thistle]

tac is writing an essay

[daring geyser]

you can do sfs as hungary with the sfs cap glitch quite easily

artillery doesn't make your infantry push, what makes your infantry push is the right doctrines, correct support companies, planning bonus and MOST importantly green air and cas. 36w blocks are better specifically because of the higher stats, versatility and terrain modifiers. both arty inf (which should never be considered) and normal inf blocks require air and planning bonus to push effectively.

hungary also has a lot of focuses to rush infantry equipment and you can get 1943 equipment quite early.

of those, i can tell you off of this one screenshot that you don't have the correct support companies and you have the wrong doctrines

besides the wrong template

[ivory hull]

why line arty

[acoustic wasp]

yeah i generally never use line arty when playing with majors but i dont have green air, or any sort of offensive option as the nation im playing as rn, im just trying to rush some armoured divisions and just queued up the fighters now just trying to survive and preserve manpower a bit

[daring geyser]

line artillery doesn't work without air either

and works poorly even with air

[acoustic wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/auburn-basketball-auburn-charles-barkley-charles-barkley-gif-13532820411571798780

im just going to let stalin throw a few million to die on the border until i can field armoured divisions

[daring geyser]

artillery doesn't preserve manpower it makes you actively lose more manpower overall because of the lower hp

[acoustic wasp]

well i really dont know templates to push with (infantry templates) so when im playing minors i dont get 200k casualties in 2 days

non special forces ofc

[daring geyser]

if you get massive casualities quickly not only you have the incorrect templates but you're likely battleplanning instead of microing, or your micro is severely wrong

[acoustic wasp]

i ghost plan and try to micro but my divisions just never win

[daring geyser]

it's very hard to push without tanks under red air, especially with your templates which are not good at all

[acoustic wasp]

yeah i know but what can i do, trying to rush fighters and armoured divisions, right now i'll just try to stall stalin

[terse skiff]

sir I believe you overestimate hoi4 players' ability to create good armor designs and templates

[gleaming acorn]

Crazy work

[daring geyser]

just rush fighters and cas, fix your templates and you're going to win

tanks are not even necessary

[gleaming acorn]

Fr you see most of my tank designs pure garbage lol

I rely more on mech tbh

[acoustic wasp]

i rushed the fighter but hopefully i can produce enough in time

[daring geyser]

if you have the correct fighter template and doctrine the ai airforce will just not resist

[gleaming acorn]

I like using mech infantry more ran building tank armies

[terse skiff]

it's funny that some guys here say my spg designs are garbage

[acoustic wasp]

i use this usually (ignore the armour i dont usually put it on the SPGs

[quick jungle]

monster of steel

[restive sable]

small cannons are better

then heavy mg

[terse skiff]

not in sp

[sudden thistle]

I killed all of Europe as USA with mechanized spam

It was fun

[acoustic wasp]

im in single player

[restive sable]

really?

[daring geyser]

My name is Saul Goodman. Did you know that you have skillz? The constitution says you do. And so do I. I believe that unless proven guilty, every man, child and woman in this server can actually play the game

[restive sable]

then idrk

someone told me to use small cannons like a while ago and i stuck with it

maybe im playing this game wrong then

[restive sable]

[acoustic wasp]

is rocket arty worth using at all?

[daring geyser]

No

[restive sable]

idek i never touch it

[sudden thistle]

Why do u give everyone anime PFP’s

[terse skiff]

rocket rail module on planes is ok but otherwise not

[acoustic wasp]

damn, i always wanted to make some infantry / Katyusha divisions as the soviets

[terse skiff]

yeah cuz it's way more expensive

[acoustic wasp]

sad

[sudden thistle]

Nothing is stopping u exactly

[terse skiff]

honestly more of the problem is with industry and not one more module on tanks

[restive sable]

huh

[daring geyser]

You can make them work just don't expect them to be effective, good nor optimal

[restive sable]

fair enough actually

[raven lotus]

not everyone, a ton of nations have an insane amount of portraits, the USA has over 200 so no

[acoustic wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-right-breaking-bad-gif-14029087

https://tenor.com/view/katyusha-moskau-slav-russian-russia-gif-18061388680465120617

gonna be posted up like this on the eastern front

[fair horizon]

Chat America needs a rework with some fast food focuses

[lusty river]

YES I CAPITULATED UK AFTER 4 FAILED ATTEMPTS AND NOW US JOINED WAR SO ITS OVER YEAA

[gleaming acorn]

Nah needs some touching grass focuses

Ngl why does the ai just do this on random coast lines so far away from the front line

Ages away

[daring geyser]

I think the biggest problem with hoi4 official players is that they really don't understand how good the meta templates actually are and how much CAS and green air is important

They don't know anything about IC efficient ways to play the game, that's IF they know the meta templates 😭

Legitimately if anyone knows not even meta, decent templates, understands air, supply and micro, then they beat the AI everytime

Mfs just somehow can't do that

[restive sable]

truth

[fair horizon]

Green air unimportant, 7000 naval invasions be upon you

[acoustic wasp]

all i need is 12 of these

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G-LotRSXcAAnArr.gif

[rotund chasm]

Screw IC efficiency, im currently struggling with the energy/coal upkeep after taking south america and the carribean XD

Was at -213 after last night

Grids on every relevant state, only thing that can save me now is nuclear power

[fair horizon]

Good thats all australia can afford

[acoustic wasp]

im poland

romanov

[fair horizon]

Also whats with the motorized recon?

[acoustic wasp]

currently sandwiched

[acoustic wasp]

inter war light tanks, cant afford an extra slot rn to research the light tank and all the factories are pouring into fighters rn

plus im sitting on 3k trucks

good use of them i guess

stalin is attacking and i automatically called the allies to war but im not even in their faction wth

[terse skiff]

most people don't even know why economy law is the most important pp investment

[acoustic wasp]

well at least i can get my war economy and extensive conscription now

[terse skiff]

what happened with hungary

[acoustic wasp]

accidentally puppeted that province lol

it had like 90 something aluminum too i was so mad

iron man cant reload

i love my generals

3 armies assigned and all of them are blind

https://tenor.com/view/salute-cat-cute-yessir-gif-17449845613192073437

[lofty adder]

You orrounted

[dusky burrow]

pretty sure yugoslavia can just accept, but it's a coin toss essentially

it's a luck thing tbh

[acoustic wasp]

aight stalin, time to pay

[dusky burrow]

aaa frontline

[acoustic wasp]

they refused on the both playthroughs

[dusky burrow]

yeah, that's unlucky

[acoustic wasp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068639836388458496/1252990706700521614/3x_10-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

[uncut pollen]

Smh

English only

[acoustic wasp]

not bad so far, let him get in then encircled some divisions

armoured pls train faster

they actually nerfed the AI to the ground wow

im defending with 2 armies of this

and one of this

looool

[quasi viper]

And now France joined the AXIS 😭

[acoustic wasp]

im surviving because germany someho hasnt declared war on me lol

[cobalt dawn]

not as great as i thought

not much as the danubian federation other than puppeting

[acoustic wasp]

2 more encirclments coming right up

listening to marvin gaye while microing tanks is fun

[hoary glen]

yo when tibet dlc

@slow token call devs to make tibet dlc

[terse skiff]

tibet dlc is when pdx restores the steal industrial blueprint exploit

[hoary glen]

im trying to restore the tibetan empire

[terse skiff]

@heavy vigil I found how to keep getting the industrial research bonuses from spies. Do it to Italy which researches synthetic oil tech early so as long as you don't advance your synthetic techs you can get industry research bonuses by stealing blueprints from italy. Might require you to buff italy though so they research tech faster

[acoustic wasp]

we lowkey need hoi5 for the cold war

then we can get all the african and latin american socialist trees

https://tenor.com/view/قحطان-الشعبي-جمال-عبد-الناصر-المصري-مصري-مصر-gif-5255254960442343449

and this dude

[simple zinc]

What am I doing wrong that it has 0.00 Strat. bombing?

[acoustic wasp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1448605516271190069/1471252264629829902/IMG_1822.gif

[viscid mason]

that was east vs west that got cancelled.

[acoustic wasp]

zamn

[acoustic wasp]

someone watched the new jimarkus video and wanted to replicate it

[terse skiff]

hover over the strat bombing adjuster to see actual stats during strat bomb missions

[acoustic wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-laughing-flight-flightreacts-funny-laughing-gif-17836958681365484113

[viscid mason]

if you are interested someone is currently developing a cold war mod in March of the Eagles. I have the discord invite link

[heavy vigil]

what

crazy

[viscid mason]

hey casey, hello bmh

[heavy vigil]

btw bmh theres a mod that indirectly lets you check ai research en masse

its called global research

[acoustic wasp]

noice, i only tried 2 cold war mods, rt56 which was major power oriented mostly (not fun) and iron curtain always crashed in the start menu

[terse skiff]

yeah i can keep on getting industry research buffs by stealing from italy when I make italy +4

[acoustic wasp]

hopefully he pulls it off nicely

[heavy vigil]

its not updated but it just adds everyone to a huge tech group

[terse skiff]

hi vistula

[heavy vigil]

and so when you hover over bonuses you can see everyone's techs easier than tagging

[acoustic wasp]

and in rt56 there was something very funny, when you play egypt and topple the king you get Nasser, then when you open the generals to appoint them for armies, Nasser is there too lmao

just need Nasser also being an advisor

[viscid mason]

i spent all afternoon playing minecraft and right now I am prepping for a job interview. anyways hru today?

[acoustic wasp]

so you got president nasser

advisor nasser

general nasser

all the same person

https://tenor.com/view/flight-laughing-flight-flightreacts-funny-laughing-gif-17836958681365484113

[slow token]

on it

[hoary glen]

hurry tf up

i told u 6 months ago 🖕

[terse skiff]

I'm teaching kids

American schools give worse american style lunches to kids than the Chinese school that I went to gave 💀

[viscid mason]

never knew you were a teacher, what subject do you teach

[terse skiff]

math

I'm not full time, I'm just looking for a job now

[viscid mason]

good luck to your job search

[hoary glen]

bc of the barrack hussein wife

[terse skiff]

no

she tried to fix it but the rot is way too deep

[hollow silo]

yo

wsg

[violet quartz]

this changes everything

[misty fossil]

the

[pseudo galleon]

the

[uncut wraith]

dude paradox needs to remove a bunch of these bs anti fun limitations in the game

undisbandable divs is so irritating

you should let the player do stupid bs because being told no is worse than having the opportunity to do it and not doing it

[restive sable]

i just set them as garrisons or just get them encircled on purpose

purely to get rid of them

[fair horizon]

Agreed thats why i dont play italy

Also cause italy sucks

[viscid mason]

I think undisbandable divs is a thing because it is hard coded for any uneditable divisions to be also undeletable

also hello admiral

[misty fossil]

ugh i want to play hoi4

[fair horizon]

Hello vistula

[fair horizon]

Why arent you?

[misty fossil]

my architecture studio is due in 25 days

https://tenor.com/view/funny-clock-man-gif-20049806

[fair horizon]

Ah im working otherwise id be playing hoi4

[misty fossil]

rip

what job if i may ask

[fair horizon]

Peasant work

[misty fossil]

rip

[uncut wraith]

when you play as poland you can briefly get free factories from nowhere while danzig is being nazified

i apparently have 4 dockyards available for use even though i own 3

(those 3 are in danzig and i have no other docks)

[winged hatch]

Getting the US down to this is my greatest achievement in this game

[fair horizon]

Reduce them to zero ships

[winged hatch]

I couldn’t find them

[fair horizon]

Spies and look for task forces in the bases they can dock in

Port strike them with carriers

[misty fossil]

i twice got the usn from 1100 ships down to like 30

and the ijn from 800 to 0

[winged hatch]

I capitulated them so I didn’t get the chance to. I did it with only 19 ships so I’m very happy

[misty fossil]

bro running 19 shbbs

[winged hatch]

Yeah

[misty fossil]

real

[winged hatch]

2 carriers 4 battleships 6 cruisers 7 DDs

My capital ships have insane kill counts

Wait, I remembered I’m lying. I used subs for convoys

The result of the submarines

[misty fossil]

they clamped down too hard on the sub nerf

[fair horizon]

Subs were too good tbh

Nowehere near that effective after 1940

[proven bane]

mom found the alcohol 😭

[hard depot]

Chokepoints, Radar + Nav bombers clampdown with DD Escorts and Supremespotting ships on "Do not engage"

Get wiped, kringe subs,

[winged hatch]

this was the fleet

[broken gale]

I love lategame hoi4 tbh

Idk why people complain

[fair horizon]

Irl even just the flower corvettes helped reduce the amount of merchant ships sunk by a lot

[raw crystal]

I always lose to the Allies when I fight them, I have an easier time dealing with the Soviets than I do with the Allies. I usually play as Monarchist Germany.

[chrome dome]

yes i hate air,how could you tell

[rapid gulch]

why are katyushka's better than ttruck drawn artillery somoen pls explain

[opal nymph]

Neither are all that good

But rocket arty gives more breakthrough

[rapid gulch]

also how owuld u counter katyushka with mech is it just tanks

[cobalt dawn]

guys which south american nation should i play as

[opal nymph]

You use mech

Katyushas are soft targets that have soft attack

Mech and tanks are armored, so it doesn't get effected by it as much

[trim plume]

hard tack somehow higher than soft

with several SPAA

[fair horizon]

How so?

[fair horizon]

Colombia or peru

[supple osprey]

Is there any way to disable the puppet divisions that spawn under the master's control?

[fair horizon]

Annex them or just trash them and they go back to the puppet

[supple osprey]

Yes, but the issue is I am trying to form the European Confederation as Monarchist Germany, and iirc it lets you annex countries and gives 50% compliance but not cores right?

[trim plume]

usually trashing them is good enough

you need thouse 8123712837123 divisions

[supple osprey]

So I was considering making collab governments everywhere

But if I have to keep trashing all their divisions it sounds like a nightmare

Is it better to have a collab government or 100% compliance?

[fair horizon]

Do they have to be a specific type of puppet?

Cause only the lowest form of puppets give you their troops

[supple osprey]

I think collab governments definitely provide troops.

I just don't want to keep getting notifications of like one division every month per collab I make

[fair horizon]

I usually just throw them somewhere and call it a day

[supple osprey]

Should I just keep the land annexed?

[fair horizon]

I keep stuff annexed

[supple osprey]

Fair enough, I do that sometimes too. I think I'll have a full army group of these troops pretty soon though. And there's no way to automate puppet divisions going to a certain army (like how you can deploy troops to a certain army) so its still more and more clicks for no reason 😭

[cobalt dawn]

which argentina facist sub path should i follow

[supple osprey]

Alright I think I'll go for that. Maybe only make the big ones like Russia and France collabs.

[timid blade]

All of 'em

[supple osprey]

Also is there any focus/decision that ends up changing the colour of Monarchist/Democeatic Germany? Right now its the same colour as the default map colour and I can't see Mitteleuropa properly 😭

[trim plume]

no

you thinking like paradox likes to refine their game

[supple osprey]

Fair enough 💀

[cobalt dawn]

ima go for peron

🥹

[uncut wraith]

why the hell does /wp delete half your army

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[candid zinc]

who joins us in vc

[uncut wraith]

my borders have not changed in 2 years and this war is not gonna end

because soviets are never gonna be able to break my line and i’m never gonna have enough men to push to moscow

so /wp is my only hope but of course it literally treaty of versailles your military

[lapis snow]

https://tenor.com/view/please-give-more-context-gif-22337965

[uncut wraith]

hoi4 needs a better conditional peace system cuz it seems like most wars that don’t a specific white peace event or decision end up completely decimating both countries militarily

[light ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/hoi4-micromanage-gif-20717885

[lapis snow]

This gif is clearly India, not barb

[light ledge]

No it's Barbarossa

https://tenor.com/view/hoi4-hearts-of-iron-4-looksmax-sigma-sigma-face-gif-232308269668432623

[trim plume]

hello guys germany with 2 divisions here

[green lodge]

Bro

[terse skiff]

It's a bad build so any normal build would likely counter it

[glad lake]

chose

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-watches-watches-speed-gif-11188016245055018266

people

to

humans

to

hoi4 lovers

CHOSE

DAWG

[thorn sleet]

Four Year Plan.

Go big or go home.

[misty fossil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1336931703809114203/1377837026786938992/1744609452542.gif

[misty fossil]

peg

[glad lake]

too late

[misty fossil]

concentrated

unless you have like 1 mil

[glacial fog]

Hi

[misty fossil]

bye

[glacial fog]

Damn

[glad lake]

damn

[glacial fog]

I am a beginner at the game i play iran

I just can't build a good army to fight

[glad lake]

do you have the dlc?

[glacial fog]

What is dlc🥀

[glad lake]

damn

ur newer new

so

um

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-watches-watches-speed-gif-11188016245055018266

dont play iran

play germany

iran is hard

[glacial fog]

Isn't it harder?

[glad lake]

u dont even have the dlc

no

germany is begginner friendly country

so watch tutorials

in youtubev

[glacial fog]

Alr gotcha

[glad lake]

it will work for a bit

i mean i have 500 hours on this game

and i still dont fully know everything

[glacial fog]

Damn I only play KC2

[glad lake]

yo guys

[upbeat tundra]

is there any mod that adds rome as a italy formabvle without dlc?

[atomic grove]

kaiserredux

[upbeat tundra]

nooo not the big KX

[atomic grove]

or just buy the dlc

[upbeat tundra]

hell nah

[lost dawn]

Isn't Mare Nostrum baked into the base game?

[upbeat tundra]

suprisingly no

[lost dawn]

Forming Rome WAS a part of the game before By Blood Alone though

[upbeat tundra]

when did that get added?

ill just go back a few versions i nthat case

[lost dawn]

Not a few versions mate

Many versions

[upbeat tundra]

2022

nto too old

considering some mods need me to go like 202

2020

mamma mia thats a lotta cores

[pallid radish]

Hold on lol

[hybrid totem]

1943 soviet union and you still got 12m men bro?

for shame

[pallid radish]

I am weaponless 😭

Kinda

[lost dawn]

I'd say forming Rome needs an overhaul

Eastern Rome as well.

Perhaps a few focusses that let you demand North Macedonia and Albania

a focus for a war with Bulgaria

and then a focus that would cause you to be at war with turkey to retake the city of Constantinople and the provinces of Anatolia

And for the Roman Empire as can be formed by Italy. I'd say that also needs to be a more gradual step.

Rome was not built in a day but the devs expect you to conquer most of the world in order to be able to form Rome.

[upbeat tundra]

thats my irk with powerfull formables

once you form them theres noone else to beat

[lost dawn]

The Roman Empire was more than a set of borders.

[dusky burrow]

yeah any eastern roman path would definitely deal with one of rome's most persistent balkan adversaries

[lost dawn]

I once played as Monarchist Italy and reformed rome as the pope.

Once I finally established Regnum Romanum... I still had a few cores that needed to be conquered as "extras"

[upbeat tundra]

i think rome should work kinda like anarchism knows no bounds

where u can slowly core stuff

instead of coring stuff overnight

[lost dawn]

But by then world tension had made it impossible to justify war goals

[dusky burrow]

Being able to get a war goal on Bulgaria makes invading Turkey (and its Romanian guarantor) more intuitive

because otherwise you're doing naval invasions

[dusky burrow]

yeah that's fair

"kindle roman sentiments"

[lost dawn]

Invade Thessaloniki with the 3 mountaineers you start the game with

[upbeat tundra]

either that or make it like the GGR with its reichkommisariats which get integrated after the formation of the GGR

[lost dawn]

and let the Turks bundle up in the tile beyond it

[upbeat tundra]

instead of reichkommisariats it would be like

[lost dawn]

then simply crush that single tile

[upbeat tundra]

once compliance u get to assign a commander to a territory as a magistrate

[dusky burrow]

eh... i'd rather naval invade gallipoli, mountaineers are better in, well, mountains

[lost dawn]

Even so... A successful playthrough of Eastern Rome is not dependent on skill but luck

Luck that your navy does not get sunk by the turks

Luck that you do not get reinforce memed at thessaloniki

Luck that some great power does not guarantee bulgaria

Luck that Romania does not join any large faction before you deal with them

It is rather annoying

[upbeat tundra]

i just hate how once u form a powerfull formable theres noone else to beat

[dusky burrow]

something like this and you get eastern thrace

and probably cross into asia minor as well because they probably haven't reacted yet

[lost dawn]

That is not how it works

You cannot get ships "on the Bosporus" until you control Western Anatolia

[dusky burrow]

You can do it pre-war

just a destroyer would do, but you may want a stronger force

[lost dawn]

I find the best strategy is to make encirclements near Thessaloniki several times

and once the Turks no longer have that many troops you push through constantinople

[upbeat tundra]

once i wiped greece and they didnt capitulate only for me to realize i had to take herakleon

[lost dawn]

But for that you need your navy to be dominant in the Aegean

[dusky burrow]

classic

[upbeat tundra]

like geniunely why hold out herakleon

[dusky burrow]

I don't think that is much of a problem tbh, but naval ai may have changed

[dusky burrow]

they literally did that irl

[lost dawn]

Naval AI did change

[upbeat tundra]

still

[lost dawn]

Turkey also no longer launches naval invasions of their own

[upbeat tundra]

i always put that island and greece on brutal opp when they do that

[lost dawn]

making this whole strategy even harder

[limpid field]

historical btw

right after puppeting them they declared war

[lost dawn]

The devs really dropped the ball when it comes to the Greek focus tree

[upbeat tundra]

mmmmmm

germany failed to protect its protectorate from germany

[lost dawn]

Now... that is likely at no fault of their own.

[dusky burrow]

okay no the turkish ai is duuumb

[upbeat tundra]

i find it funny how because of how big greeces history is they can choose to be nationalistic for 3 empires

[lost dawn]

What I deem most likely is that the studio directive had a deadline that needed to be met

[lost dawn]

Usually those two cruisers escape the first battle

come back later

and sink a few of your destroyers

[lost dawn]

I am not saying that an experienced player cannot truly have a good game as Greece.

I myself had a pretty good game a few days ago

In which I made the Eastern Roman Empire the dominant force in Europe

but the focus tree basically runs out in early 1939.

With no more focusses to do that give you a boost of any kind

And the conquest of Turkey really depends on luck.

[fair horizon]

Inb4 the yavuz shows up

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-star-destroyer-hyperspace-jump-galactic-fleet-warp-out-gif-2397548804703191413

[lost dawn]

I'd also like it if Greece has the opportunity to reform the Roman Empire

Considering there is an option to core Italy itself

[dusky burrow]

true, although you do have naval bombers so yavuz could be beaten

[lost dawn]

Only about 25

With no airbase that gives you good coverage over the entire Aegean

You also start with so few factories

[dusky burrow]

Greece typically has more factories than most of the countries that target turkey early on

[lost dawn]

Not really

[dusky burrow]

It can definitely spare 1 to make more naval bombers

[lost dawn]

Only you do not start with any plane parts researched

researching planes comes after you manage to win against Turkey

[dusky burrow]

the countries i'm comparing greece to are countries like iraq and iran btw

which have 20-25 factories upon going to war with turkey

greece gets that much in mils

you run out of building slots

[lost dawn]

If you do the focusses that give you factories before the war with turkey

but the best way to avoid romania and turkey joining bigger factions is to attack early

[dusky burrow]

early being like 1938-early 1939

[lost dawn]

It means maybe doing the focus "Force farmers into factories"

but then rushing the political side of the tree

[dusky burrow]

In my Iraq runs I find that Romania joins on Germany's declaration on Poland

[lost dawn]

I am saying.... attack Turkey in early 1937

It is the only way

To make sure that turkey joins no other faction

[dusky burrow]

You're being absolutely paranoid

Turkey's focus tree is even slower

They don't get to their political focus tree until 1939

[lost dawn]

On historical

[wraith helm]

?

[lost dawn]

I don't see why you would want such a mod