hoi4-general

[misty fossil]

yeah

[fair horizon]

garbage

anything with missiles ruined naval warfare

[misty fossil]

💀

[fair horizon]

super gross

[spare field]

i invaded an enemy tile which i targetted heavily with strat bombers

its all destroyed </3

had to scorch earth them just incase

[shrewd inlet]

Equestria Sweep

[shrewd inlet]

Strat bombers are useless they said.

[spare field]

completely decimated their war industry

i dont even think they have any more capital ships

[shrewd inlet]

pov the usa in ww2

[spare field]

yah lmao

expensive asf tho

can only make 3 a day because i prioritize the quality of quantity

they were still using propeller aircraft when i invaded lmfao

its now only then they invest into jet aircraft

[feral canopy]

"Yo bro i dont spam too win"

[fair horizon]

chat what the heck is a support ship

the ones from the dlc

[heavy vigil]

a ship that supports you

[spare field]

sonion

how does it get this bad cro ☠️

[misty fossil]

hard

[fair horizon]

casey what are they

[spare field]

holy destruction

only surrender can help them sob

[heavy vigil]

they support you

[fair horizon]

how casey

[heavy vigil]

also they can like repair ships i think? idk

[feral canopy]

its 1944

and germany didnt invade so thats proably why

[spare field]

hungary snaking sob

gonna do a D-DAY on changelings

[zenith charm]

okay italy is capped thats one down

[wet flicker]

4 countries 1 war before ww2

technically 5

[fair horizon]

NOT CHRISSY

[spare field]

chrissy??

[fair horizon]

the changeling leader

[spare field]

she prob dead bro

💀

i thermonucleared the capital 2 times and raided the capital with strat bombers

oof

yah

this might be the end of the changeling empire

[fair horizon]

oh thats normal tbh

[spare field]

it was already worse before the invasion

and its getting MUCH worse

[fair horizon]

yeah

[spare field]

since the strat bombings

and the convoy raidings

[fair horizon]

they get terrible negatives to resistance

[spare field]

i keep listening to trumans warning to japan while invading changelingia

sob

liberation of equestria

[misty fossil]

how were there 700k manpower on this tiny island??????

[low dock]

Never mess with austria hungary

[misty fossil]

and i got the whole world in my alliance, gg

[clear dagger]

lmao Steiner counter attacked

(most of germany was under netherland control, they capped the netherlands)

[wet flicker]

Wow what if Hitler was right

[wide osprey]

look at them 😭

my lil boys are now professional warriors

i don't want them to lose exp 😭

[wet flicker]

wait do i need dlc to form the roman empire

[misty fossil]

How many casualties

[spare field]

about like 1M on my side

and like 10M on their side

[misty fossil]

Damn thats a lot

[spare field]

mostly from bombing and naval destruction

and encirclements

[misty fossil]

How did you even have 1m manpower after the griffonian war

[spare field]

spirits

[misty fossil]

Oh

whats ur manpower looking like rn

[misty fossil]

thats a lot

[wide osprey]

i guess so

bro really

we have empty pages for every single releasable in the game, that got no content, no leaders, even no states (they literally do not exist)
but for formables there is 1 single page for every formable in the game

who the hell thinks we need page for pashtunistan 😭
i don't even know where is it

[spare field]

theres like 10 gazillion releasables sob

[wide osprey]

there are 243 pages about releasables

oh wait no it is redirections

it is still a problem

for countries that everyone want to play and that actually HAVE content there is 259k bytes page!

it takes almost 6 seconds to load it!

[heavy vigil]

on the border of afghanistan in pakistan

[lethal ether]

thats some crazy knowledge

[heavy vigil]

where else could it be

[lethal ether]

anywhere but there

[zenith charm]

afghans are part pashtun so it makes sense

[gentle cloak]

Do I need to control the Benelux region and Norway as well to form greater German Reich?

[patent thistle]

it starts in 1931

but tech has been changed to fit in that time

[clear dagger]

what the hell is that

[pale flare]

oh wow theyre using shore bombardment

[fair horizon]

thats upsetting

[vague abyss]

i got nukes

[fair horizon]

@patent thistle what do you think about the fact that a converted cruiser is just worse than a escort carrier?

[patent thistle]

i mean, that is kinda the point? escort carriers are purpose build, converted cruisers at times were litterally civilian liners

[fair horizon]

so were most escort carriers tbh

most were just converted ships with a few exceptions like the casablancas

[patent thistle]

not when the US got the casablanca i am pretty sure

[vague abyss]

wait what the...

[fair horizon]

idk still kinda annoying that the use for old ships has gone down :/

[ivory hull]

how did you get pushed that badly

[wide osprey]

bro

[vague abyss]

dw

[tropic pulsar]

this game is so dog shit

i declare on a country

[ivory hull]

did you never sealion?

[tropic pulsar]

out of nowhere

[tropic pulsar]

the entire world joins his faction

and i die

[wide osprey]

BROOOO

[heavy vigil]

hi tumon

[vague abyss]

hi casey

[wide osprey]

excuse me?

[heavy vigil]

how are you?

[heavy vigil]

sheeps mod feature

[wide osprey]

what is that

[heavy vigil]

you have to defend stuff or they get that

and also belarus has local collaborators

[wide osprey]

😟

[heavy vigil]

so it usually gets that

[wide osprey]

nonsense

[heavy vigil]

it also kills your war support if you dont defend stuff

temporarily

but the stalin line is a joke anyway

it fell off

[gentle cloak]

Does anyone know?

[ivory hull]

what does the decision say?

[gentle cloak]

What decision

[ivory hull]

to form the greater german reich?

[gentle cloak]

It’s not there

I think it only shows up when u have the requirements

[ivory hull]

this is from the wiki

[winter fulcrum]

Does anyone know some good ussr infantry and medium tank divisions i can crank out for an mp game tomorrow?

[gentle cloak]

Helped a lot, thanks

[wide osprey]

i'm tired of those "+200% attack just because i want this"

😭

i know it's just +5%

[gentle cloak]

Is Austria considered cored Germany, through?

[wide osprey]

can't the country be powerful WITHOUT those nonsense modifiers out of nowhere?

[ivory hull]

if you own the state, you need it i think

[wide osprey]

😭

[heavy vigil]

its +5% multiplicatively

so its OP

its also why you dont wanna hold dnieper

also river buffs are very easy to get

[wide osprey]

5% here and 5% there

[heavy vigil]

if you dont hold the entire territory you will die faster

[gentle cloak]

It said Italy needs to have borders with a cored Germany state. If that’s true and Austria isn’t considered core Germany, then I’ll have to take out Swiss and give it to Italy

[heavy vigil]

thats not a big deal

thats country modifier in battle

[ivory hull]

i think thats referencing something else

[gentle cloak]

Really

[vague abyss]

i reclaimed the rhine ill do more later lol

[wide osprey]

how can i be such an idiot

nah i'm done

this mod sucks + i'm dumbass

[shrewd inlet]

what is it

[fair horizon]

chat what do repair ship mean

[shrewd inlet]

Well no, germany needs the buffs to actually stand a chance

[shrewd inlet]

The battle of the bulge if it was based or something

[south mountain]

You can win

They will get 0 supplies and you will have a very big advantage

[shrewd inlet]

yeah

the Soviets also get a crazy industry

[south mountain]

Playing as the USSR is not hard since they have to capture some capture points who are past the Ural Mountains.

[shrewd inlet]

True!

[south mountain]

And they will have 0 supply and you might have some

[shrewd inlet]

if you're having trouble frontlining the axis just sit on the stalin line

[south mountain]

Even if it fails, they won't have supply

And you have a lot of buffs

After you do the focuses

[shrewd inlet]

uh okay

[south mountain]

Ngl, they should add a gamemode with objectives to hoi4

Like in VICTORIA 3

[heavy vigil]

love that game

[ripe slate]

HOI IV ftw

[crude schooner]

chsess nehwn??

[heavy vigil]

rn?

later?

[shrewd inlet]

Mr. Vice President, Mr. Speaker, Members of the Senate, and of the House of Representatives:

Yesterday, December 7th, 1941 -- a date which will live in infamy -- the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.

[light goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/jibjab-john-kerry-3-purple-hearts-meme-gif-13835028343406615842

[shrewd inlet]

I LOVE FREE TRADE ❤️

[heavy vigil]

free trade gives your stuff to the market btw

you dont have access to it regardless of if people buy

[shrewd inlet]

Really?

[heavy vigil]

yes

[shrewd inlet]

Wow, it's kinda like that's what trade is

🤯

[heavy vigil]

no like

if someone doesnt buy your resources

then they dont get it

[shrewd inlet]

i

[heavy vigil]

but you also dont get it

[shrewd inlet]

know

😭

[heavy vigil]

then why be on free trade,,,,,

its so bad,,,,

you only have access to 20% of your own resources

[noble echo]

Doesn't it give construction buffs

[shrewd inlet]

Literally free bonuses, especially when 99% of the game you have no mils as the US

[misty fossil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979745892456357968/1271873589708197991/caption.gif

[heavy vigil]

its good if you have nothing to export

[ripe slate]

welcome

[shrewd inlet]

• you also get it fo free on the USA

[noble echo]

Hi

[novel beacon]

https://youtube.com/shorts/jPr0S3rmhX8
I feel like this can lowkey be considered a hoi4 meme even tho it has nothing to do with hoi4

[split fulcrum]

how do i properly play aerial?

i keep messing it up and end up having not enough planes

[lilac ginkgo]

umm how hard can it be

make a design
add it to production and add factories to it

dont bother using 1936 ones just get 1940 ones with a good design

[split fulcrum]

how do i make a good design

how many factories do i assign as germany

[iron iron]

Has anyone ever done a historical German path

[lilac ginkgo]

maybe like 50

[split fulcrum]

me

[lilac ginkgo]

yes

[iron iron]

Did the Danzig or war focus

And Poland gave up Danzig

[split fulcrum]

?????

bro what

[lilac ginkgo]

I saw the ai do it once

[split fulcrum]

dude who do you think i am

i dont even have 200 hours on the game

[lilac ginkgo]

im not kidding?past 1941 you can afford it

[deft pagoda]

I just made this thumbnail for Bittersteel disaster saves. Is it good?

[iron iron]

I’ve only seen the ai do Poland for Slovakia

[split fulcrum]

maybe you

[lilac ginkgo]

no

[split fulcrum]

i surely cant

[lilac ginkgo]

no ive seen ai Germany do the focus and ai Poland accepted it

I think u can do it too it works as long as you dont really annex anything else choose the focuses that instead add fascism to your neighbors and then if u have good relations they should accept

but then all that does is make you weaker

because the sudetenland is better than danzig

[lilac ginkgo]

its very easy

Just like spam military factories in regions with good infrastructure and then improve the infrastructure in worse regions

[split fulcrum]

yea i do that

but i have to put 150 factories on guns

[lilac ginkgo]

Just do the economy tree for abit the right side which is non historical and you ll get alot of mils

[lilac ginkgo]

Even then

You can afford it

and 150 on guns isnt needed

[split fulcrum]

it isnt enough

[lilac ginkgo]

it is

??

[shrewd inlet]

150 on guns

😭

what are we building yo

[split fulcrum]

charging soviets with infantry

[shrewd inlet]

Chiang Kai Shek needs them stop hoarding the rifles

[split fulcrum]

because i couldnt get enough tanks

[lilac ginkgo]

honestly once im really into late game I put 150 factories on everything because I can afford it

and then I have a stockpile of 1m guns

[shrewd inlet]

well yeah atp it's the end of the game so you fool around

[lilac ginkgo]

im always silly

[shrewd inlet]

depends on the nation i'm playing but i max put like 50 on guns

[lilac ginkgo]

its just that the ai sucks eitherway so its fine

[shrewd inlet]

heh true!!

[split fulcrum]

dude what

only 50 on guns?

[lilac ginkgo]

yes its enough

[split fulcrum]

actually how is that enough

what am i doing wrong to where 150 on guns isnt enough

[shrewd inlet]

because I don't shit out inf

50 on guns easily gets you a full army group

idk why you'd need more inf

[split fulcrum]

i dont think im even producing inf

[lilac ginkgo]

-dont battleplan continously
-use better divisions but less of them

[split fulcrum]

im attacking soviets

[lilac ginkgo]

infantry

[split fulcrum]

yea

infantry

[shrewd inlet]

you're not making infantry?

😭

[split fulcrum]

im not recruiting new regiments because iirc im spending like 800 guns a day

[shrewd inlet]

what are you fighting in

hello

😭

are you in antartica

[lilac ginkgo]

I usually pop out 5 full armies of 24 divisions and I can battleplan anything but then I get tanks mech and sometimes camels/elephants(for the sake of it) and 5 armies are enough to defeat anyone

[split fulcrum]

probabaly continuous battleplan thing

too much adhd

[shrewd inlet]

yh

[lilac ginkgo]

I do that sometimes and I still have a pozitive number of guns

[shrewd inlet]

Elephantry is acc busted

[split fulcrum]

close

[lilac ginkgo]

With 120 divisions

[split fulcrum]

russian winter

[shrewd inlet]

6k defense on dday

Russia is not that bad

[lilac ginkgo]

a whole lot of places are worse

[shrewd inlet]

unless you're like scorching the tiles you're on

[split fulcrum]

no idea how to do that

[shrewd inlet]

uhh anyway

[split fulcrum]

i can send save

[lilac ginkgo]

Russia is only hard to conquer cause they never surrender and then its a big ass frontline

[split fulcrum]

but its without dlc

[lilac ginkgo]

but their armies suck

[lilac ginkgo]

Send us a screenshot

[shrewd inlet]

battleplanning is only really good if you have a big planning bonus or you're just trolling

[lilac ginkgo]

Or if you re me

I always battleplan when I know I can afford it

[crude field]

or u like looking at big green bubbles slowly taking land

[south mountain]

False

[south mountain]

Battleplanning is actually functional

[split fulcrum]

i remember crashing out in that save after losing a very close encirclement

[shrewd inlet]

BPing is also good if you're a huge pop nation, you can just press battelplan and drain the enemy's stockpile

[split fulcrum]

a big one too

[crude field]

tbf if ur playing singleplayer and micro everything ur a geek

[south mountain]

You can do encirclements with battleplans

[lilac ginkgo]

I only micro when I have to

[crude field]

same

[shrewd inlet]

depends on the frontline

like in sino jap war I almost always micro everything as China

[lilac ginkgo]

ussr is battleplan worthy

[south mountain]

You can use the spearhead mechanic and win.

[lilac ginkgo]

you can't battleplan as China can you

[ivory kelp]

what in the naval base

[shrewd inlet]

I mean you can but at the start you're gonna get jumped

[ivory kelp]

in the middle of mountains

[lilac ginkgo]

you ll die

[shrewd inlet]

err not exactly

China can hold extremely well

[split fulcrum]

dont question it.

[lilac ginkgo]

yeah instead you peace them and you keep 2 provinces through a scripted event

and like Xinjiang and Tibet become puppets

you re on life support buddy just die already

[crude field]

battleplanning ur tank army on a small frontline 🤩

[split fulcrum]

@shrewd inlet @lilac ginkgo brr pew pew pew

[lilac ginkgo]

that's bad

[shrewd inlet]

good GOD

[split fulcrum]

the soviets are strong

[shrewd inlet]

uh if you bea tthem you get all of manchu, and taiwan

iirc

[lilac ginkgo]

have you been attacking mars for the past few years

the sun

[split fulcrum]

does russia count as mars

[shrewd inlet]

• you got a big ass industry from china's focus tree

[shrewd inlet]

in development and civilizedness? yeah

[lilac ginkgo]

yes but you cant battleplan in 1938

[split fulcrum]

1.23 mil army

[shrewd inlet]

depends

[lilac ginkgo]

show me the full screen

[shrewd inlet]

You can rip jap apart by 38

[lilac ginkgo]

With ur mp all that

[lilac ginkgo]

not by battleplaning

[split fulcrum]

mp is good

[shrewd inlet]

true

[lilac ginkgo]

Son

[shrewd inlet]

this was my run in late 38

[lilac ginkgo]

What divisions are you using son

[heavy vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/arting-siamese-cat-gigachad-ambatukam-ambasing-gif-26293326

[lilac ginkgo]

good

[split fulcrum]

normal inf

wait

[shrewd inlet]

Jap AI loves to run over the yellow river and waste all their equipment

[lilac ginkgo]

the one from the game?

the standard one

if so thats your problem

[lilac ginkgo]

good god

add more infantry to it

up until you see 34 of 36 width

[split fulcrum]

guy sees -78.5k guns

and says add more infantry

[lilac ginkgo]

its the infantry

[split fulcrum]

do you want me to send clubmen at them?

[lilac ginkgo]

ur cooked

[shrewd inlet]

yes

[split fulcrum]

i dont have guns!!

[lilac ginkgo]

who's fault is it

[heavy vigil]

for more hp so you lose less

also yeah you need more guns

[lilac ginkgo]

if you had used good divisions you wouldn't have lost

[heavy vigil]

fix your garrisons

shouldve fixed the garrisons years ago

[split fulcrum]

i did

i think

[heavy vigil]

thats probably where half the guns are disappearing to

[shrewd inlet]

Bigger inf divs can take more of a beating, so they waste less rifles

they're also significantly better at attacking/defending

[split fulcrum]

im restarting this anyways i craahed out after losing an encirclement

[shrewd inlet]

but put too much and you'll fumble

[heavy vigil]

probably is still fine in sp

tho i like 16 inf

[shrewd inlet]

not really

[heavy vigil]

it is

[split fulcrum]

who do i plau

[shrewd inlet]

the combat width will flood the battles

[split fulcrum]

play

[ivory kelp]

(ireland's people republic)

[split fulcrum]

do i play Germany historical until I finally win

[heavy vigil]

just have like 1 guy per tile

im not saying its good

[lilac ginkgo]

you won't win son

[heavy vigil]

you just can probably get away with it

[shrewd inlet]

😭

moves one tile

gets encircled

[heavy vigil]

battleplan harder

[heavy vigil]

no

because germany doesnt make you learn like at all

[split fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/hl2-hl3-half-life-3-hopium-hope-gif-7246120153840726923

[heavy vigil]

but you could if you want

[shrewd inlet]

Play kmt china fr

best nation

[split fulcrum]

who then

[heavy vigil]

i think finland is good for learning but do whatever you enjoy

[shrewd inlet]

learn to hold a river, defend naval invasions, and repelling running dogs!

[split fulcrum]

is china good

i did play italy because of tutorial thing

is japan good

without ncns

historical japan

[shrewd inlet]

it's a hard nation

[split fulcrum]

is it possible to form qing

how do i claim mandate

[shrewd inlet]

yes at Manchuria

Puyi (the last qing emperor) is in Manchuria

[split fulcrum]

so the mandate is with manchuria?

@shrewd inlet what about japan though?

but without ncns

[shrewd inlet]

uhh

jap is kinda difficult for new players

maybe the USA?

[split fulcrum]

the united states of america it is

the united states of american Mexico

[minor bronze]

Hi everyone, can anybody tell me, do I need select mission type for carrier aircrafts or they fighting by themselfs?

[lilac ginkgo]

no

[split fulcrum]

oh @shrewd inlet this focus tree is smaller than the german one

[lilac ginkgo]

usa isnt for beginners

you ll have to do island hopping campaigns as the us

[shrewd inlet]

they fight by themselves

[split fulcrum]

oh right i forgot

i fight the japanese

[lilac ginkgo]

yes

and its all small islands

and the Philippines

oh and Malaya and east indies

[split fulcrum]

oof

114 factories on consumer goods

is congress like a special mechanic?

[lilac ginkgo]

yes

[lilac ginkgo]

where from

congress is like

it takes a bit at the start to get it high

but you need it high enough for some focuses

[fair horizon]

weakest irish fighting force

[split fulcrum]

how does it work

how do i see how my congress is doing

[lilac ginkgo]

are you...blind

it shows you how much support you have

for the congress and the senate I think

[split fulcrum]

ohh

its in my decisions

[lilac ginkgo]

yes

[clear dagger]

okay kdr

[lilac ginkgo]

son

thats fake

[hasty linden]

lets go i am finally winning the volga german kazakh hyperwar

[minor bronze]

thx

[clear dagger]

update

[lilac ginkgo]

yeah 200k casualties total

not just against you

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[split fulcrum]

wait

[lilac ginkgo]

you re avoiding

my question

[split fulcrum]

@lilac ginkgo should i have done the cancel naval treaty decision?

[lilac ginkgo]

why not show me the normal casualty thing

[lilac ginkgo]

no

[clear dagger]

maybe i misunderstood the question

[split fulcrum]

i kinda spent that political power on an advisor

[lilac ginkgo]

thats fine

[split fulcrum]

dont i need hella ships?

[topaz bobcat]

hello i need help learning to play this game, because it's so absymall in actually teaching anything on tutorial, and even blender is easier to understand

[lilac ginkgo]

kinda

[lilac ginkgo]

blender isnt easy

hoi4 is

[split fulcrum]

and the treaty makes ships cheaper

[lilac ginkgo]

no

you cant have that many

[topaz bobcat]

the youtube guide doesnt cover the fact that no matter what i order my units to do, i cant make them attack through ethiopea or eritea, i cant even make use of convoys that i have requested to manufacteure, i cant have 20 new recruits delivered in said convoy from the naval ports, it doesnt let me, and google doesnt tell me anything without some vague bullshit

nothing ever happens

[lilac ginkgo]

maybe because you re kinda confusing

[topaz bobcat]

i dont know if im playing a game or looking at a 3d wallpaper because its so infuriating

[lilac ginkgo]

son

[topaz bobcat]

yeah

[lilac ginkgo]

you re confusing not the game

anyways look tutorials on youtube

[split fulcrum]

huh

what the hell does +1000 carrier cost mean

+1000 what

apples?

[lilac ginkgo]

it should take a few hours to understand the minimum

[split fulcrum]

bananas?

[lilac ginkgo]

1000 production cost

[split fulcrum]

yea whats production cost

[lilac ginkgo]

production cost is an unit that literally tells you how much it costs to produce said equipments

[topaz bobcat]

dude i am, but it doesn't answer anything, im watching videos about the game more than i am playing the game, how does this help?

[split fulcrum]

1000 apples for each carrier?

[topaz bobcat]

They don't tell you how to play the game, they just tell you what each buttons do, but they are not relevant to the main gameplay

[lilac ginkgo]

they kinda are

[split fulcrum]

that red box means your troops have no supply, in other words theyre starving, dehydrated and have no bullets

[lilac ginkgo]

also you re doing it right

[topaz bobcat]

i already have all military factories setup in italy, but that doesn't change anything, because the tutorial doesn't telll me how to supply this war

[lilac ginkgo]

build supply hubs

[split fulcrum]

Beside the troop icon on map

[clear dagger]

are you sure you're even watching the right tutorials

[topaz bobcat]

i dont know

[lilac ginkgo]

go to construction

[split fulcrum]

@clear dagger do i withdraw from naval treaty, or do the escalator cause invoked thing as usa

[lilac ginkgo]

and then theres a box icon

and also railways

build hubs and railways to them

[lilac ginkgo]

no

Dont

[topaz bobcat]

why is there no tutorial where i can apply that while playing the game, why does it have to be a instruction manual on figuring out yourself on what to do

[chilly sapphire]

They get war declarations

[clear dagger]

have fun with early ww2

[chilly sapphire]

There is

[split fulcrum]

is that a yes

or no

[chilly sapphire]

Go onto tutorial front page

[lilac ginkgo]

there should be

theres like a tutorial book I think

[clear dagger]

do you want to get 🍇 d

[lilac ginkgo]

he does

[topaz bobcat]

no man, it tells you to fight ethiopea in the game tutorial and then you lose

[chilly sapphire]

Err

Idk

[topaz bobcat]

it doesnt tell you OH YOU HAVE A SUPPLY ISSUE YOU NEED SUPPLY HUBS

[lilac ginkgo]

umm yeah maybe not

[split fulcrum]

depends, what if i didnt want to for example

[lilac ginkgo]

you can look supply tutorials on yt

look up

[clear dagger]

try different tutorials that explain game mechanics rather than how to play nations first

[lilac ginkgo]

personally I learned by watching people play on YouTube like bittersteel

[topaz bobcat]

is this gonna be the damn pattern for anything i do? if i fix the supply problem, what is next? because it won't tell me ingame of my issues

[lilac ginkgo]

next you fight the war

try to reach other supply hubs or provinces that have a city so the enemy capitulates faster

[topaz bobcat]

i'm so infuriated with this stupid game man, its like the tutorials expect you to know games like this, i dont know anything and i am forced to fight with ethiopea like its an RTS

[lilac ginkgo]

well its gonna take hundreds of hours

to learn it all

even more

[topaz bobcat]

how do you even get into games like this if they dont teach you the basics of what to do

[lilac ginkgo]

you kinda learn as you go

[topaz bobcat]

i'm not looking to be the best or most knowledgable, i just wanna play the game

[noble echo]

I haven't watched a lot of tutorials, I'm just playing the game on civilian difficulty with buffs

[lilac ginkgo]

theres hundreds of different mechanics a tutorial that explains it all even with minimum detail will take tens of hours

[topaz bobcat]

there is only 1 supply hub in this desert man and i already had offensive line targetting it from the start of playthrough

and i already failed at ending the war sooner

[lilac ginkgo]

thats fine

[topaz bobcat]

its been half a year now

[lilac ginkgo]

Dw

[clear dagger]

do what the irl italians did and use gas

[topaz bobcat]

how do i even know if i am doing anything right

[lilac ginkgo]

it takes time son

[topaz bobcat]

i'm focused on one country

and everything else is happening

[lilac ginkgo]

well

[topaz bobcat]

im not sure anything in these video tutorials taught me anything that would make me confident in what to do in my new playthrough, i feel like i'm just pressing a button and imagining the rest

so i'm naturally having a crashout over it

[split fulcrum]

paradox games require multiple crashouts to learn

[topaz bobcat]

i ragequit just to watch those video tutorials

and im back and its still the same

those videos are 2 hours long

and i'm still looking at the timestamps

[lilac ginkgo]

It will take you up to a hundred hours to learn the game

[split fulcrum]

i prefer giving @lilac ginkgo and @shrewd inlet headaches

[lilac ginkgo]

head works

[split fulcrum]

-78.5k guns

with 150 factories on guns

delicious.

[topaz bobcat]

ok, i get it, but all i want to know is what am i supposed to do, what should my general gameplay be like, if i'm starting wars for power and resources

[split fulcrum]

up to? more like atleast

[split fulcrum]

you can upgrade supply hubs

you open supply hub map

see the supply hub you wanna upgrade on map

it starts with horse icon

you can click it then it becomes a truck

which means youre now using trucks in logistics

click again and it becomes 3 trucks

now youre using trains in logistics

[lilac ginkgo]

I would explain it

[split fulcrum]

i think it extends the hubs reach or something i dunno

but it does something

[lilac ginkgo]

yeah

but he is right the game is painfully hard to learn and nearly impossible to be the best at

Or its possible but takes thousands of hours

[topaz bobcat]

not trying to be the best, trying to play the game and enjoy

[split fulcrum]

step 1

larp

time to learn italian

[noble echo]

Maybe lower the difficulty

[topaz bobcat]

its the same thing

when civilian

[noble echo]

And give yourself buffs

[split fulcrum]

thats boring

does difficulty actually do anything to the ai

or is it like eu4

where it gives you buffs

[lilac ginkgo]

buffs

but good ones

Very good for beginners

[split fulcrum]

also for some reason in tutorial that ausa annexation event doesnt happen

[lilac ginkgo]

you don't need it son

[noble echo]

It's not at all

[split fulcrum]

they got supply hyb

hub

[lilac ginkgo]

also it probably wasnt a thing 10 years ago

when they made the tutorial

there was no aussa event

[split fulcrum]

also do i go limited intervention or neutrality act

path

[lilac ginkgo]

you will not enjoy it

[split fulcrum]

no hoi4bennar is sad

[lilac ginkgo]

Limited

[split fulcrum]

didnt usa historically go neutrality act

[lilac ginkgo]

U can invade like all of the Americas tho

if they cause world tension

[split fulcrum]

juicy

[lilac ginkgo]

also u get buffs through war plan focuses

[topaz bobcat]

the days kjeep going up

[split fulcrum]

build tracks

railroads

[ivory hull]

you cant really build supply hubs, theyre a waste, take too long

[rapid furnace]

how does this work again

[noble echo]

That's 2 years why build it

[lilac ginkgo]

?

You can

But you need a good industry

[ivory hull]

yea but its very dumb

[lilac ginkgo]

It isnt

[ivory hull]

and barely usefull

[lilac ginkgo]

0/10 ragebait

supply is everything

[ivory hull]

just capturing a new supply hub is 1000 times better

[ivory hull]

it is but not waiting a year for it

[lilac ginkgo]

good luck doing that with 0 supply

[topaz bobcat]

amazing you guys say "you have no bullet build supply hubs" and then im told it takes years and waste of time

[lilac ginkgo]

Then get a good industry

[topaz bobcat]

and somehow im supposed to learn?

[lilac ginkgo]

You need a good industry for ot

It

[ivory hull]

if you have no supply your doing something wrong

[lilac ginkgo]

Or just capture other silly hubs

[topaz bobcat]

oh like the game tells me how to

[ivory hull]

dont build supply hubs, ports are a lot cheaper and do the same

[lilac ginkgo]

Most of Africa:

[ivory hull]

in ethiopia you dont need one tho

[lilac ginkgo]

Asian hellswamps:

[ivory kelp]

lmao

[hoary warren]

Doing world conquering rn 🥹

[ivory hull]

no reason to fight there usually

[lilac ginkgo]

ok buddy

[ivory hull]

as what country except for south africa or ethiopa

[lilac ginkgo]

Italy

Uk

France

[ivory hull]

for what?

no gain in that

[lilac ginkgo]

north Africa maybe??

Libya?*

[ivory hull]

and?

what does north africa give you?

the 2 oil

as the uk just take iraq

[topaz bobcat]

i don't even know how to play this game on a new playthrough, no matter the buffs and difficulty, it's all the same, i never achieve conquering a country, and the game doesn't tell me exactly the issues facing my country

[lilac ginkgo]

ok then dont defend it and then you lose it

big achievement

[ivory hull]

there is enough supply for just leaving 4 divs to defend

you have no idea what your talking about

[noble echo]

Try to play a minor country

[lilac ginkgo]

losing all of Africa because you dont need the "2 oil" it has

[lilac ginkgo]

..no

[ivory hull]

there is lol

haha

just saying bs now bro

[lilac ginkgo]

your ragebait doesnt work buddy

[ivory hull]

just build a port then

[lilac ginkgo]

calm down brochacho

your ragebait is so 2025

[ivory hull]

im not ragebaiting, you just dont have to build supply hubs

to succeed

if you want to sit down and take your time to build one

do it

i just can not recommend that

in most cases

[lilac ginkgo]

have fun in siberia

[ivory hull]

why fight there lol?

[lilac ginkgo]

kodoha faction

kohoda

[ivory hull]

go with the trans siberian railway

[lilac ginkgo]

you re just finding excuses

jesus

[ivory hull]

bro thats literally the correct way

to go through siberia

massive railway with supply hubs

"oh let me ignore that and build my own"

[split fulcrum]

don't build supply hub, build railroads

[ivory hull]

and ports

[split fulcrum]

he got port

[lilac ginkgo]

do you not hear yourself

[ivory hull]

building supply hubs just takes too long imo

[lilac ginkgo]

I didn't think someone could be this deranged mentally

on god

[ivory hull]

bro what

[split fulcrum]

huh

[topaz bobcat]

i am slowly getting deranged trying to play this game as a noob like LET ME DO SOMETHING i dont wanna watch another HOURS of videos on youtube

[ivory hull]

i have played this game enough to know how to play lol

[topaz bobcat]

THAT EXPLAINS NOTHING

[lilac ginkgo]

have you buddy

[ivory hull]

yes i have

[ivory hull]

what helped me was playing mods and stuff

[lilac ginkgo]

how many hours

[ivory hull]

but yea watching tutorials is sometimes needed

[ivory hull]

3.5k

[split fulcrum]

i hate tutorials dude

they somehow sometimes explain everything

besides the thing you want to know

[ivory hull]

yea they try to cover everything but miss stuff a lot of times

[lilac ginkgo]

my bad bro im like a slave on a social scale compared to you

personally I learnt just by watching people play normal games

I'm a visual learner

and auditive I guess

[split fulcrum]

if youre watching tutorials don't watch a "complete hoi4 beginner guide" 13 video playlist each 2 hour tutorial

watch something specific

[topaz bobcat]

they explain shit you won't even be using most of the gameplay, like how do i play this game for starters, but it won't explain in tutorial videos

[ivory hull]

yea watching a lot of yt definitely helps

[split fulcrum]

that actually has what you want

[ivory hull]

watch segl on youtube

[lilac ginkgo]

not a lot but enough to learn the basics without actually trying to learn

ive been watching bittersteel

[split fulcrum]

6.7k

[topaz bobcat]

like it tells you how national focus works but DOES IT MATTER IF YOU'RE NEW??? how about WHEN do i use national focus in new playthrough

[lilac ginkgo]

they are very important

[ivory hull]

bittersteel isnt the best but still a good youtuber

[ivory hull]

bro

[split fulcrum]

@ivory hull do you know any ui mods that make the ui look like eu4 ui

im used to that

[lilac ginkgo]

yeah but i quit watching anyone besides hollowbeing hoi4-wise

[ivory hull]

i have 50 minutes in eu4 so no

[lilac ginkgo]

do you all know hollowbeing

[ivory hull]

i like tommykay roleplay games and stuff

[lilac ginkgo]

I watched 98% of hollowbeings hoi4 videos

[split fulcrum]

do you know ui mods that make the ui clear and obvious

[topaz bobcat]

they take years of months to accomplish and they require alot of prequisites, all of which are OUTSIDE THE NATIONAL FOCUS, that's what annoys me the MOST

[lilac ginkgo]

Used to watch him too

[lilac ginkgo]

You need to do them in order

[split fulcrum]

its like a story

[ivory hull]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3698792578&searchtext=unit
i use this for one units

[prisma steppe]

i dont think france is from the middle east tho, could be wrong

[split fulcrum]

you do them in order

[split fulcrum]

do you have for buttons and stuff?

[ivory hull]

you have to do them, its what you have to do

[topaz bobcat]

national focus says you need this land and some political influence to undergo, ok how do i get this land? how do i get good industry? how do i know if my country industry is bad?

[ivory hull]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2935473157&searchtext=enhanced+gfx
i use this one most of the time

[ivory hull]

play a lot of different nations

[lilac ginkgo]

what's wrong with the normal ui

[ivory hull]

gets boring after a while

same with the map and stuff

[split fulcrum]

i miss so much stuff

[topaz bobcat]

how do i know what i need to do in new playthrough before i do anything with confidence because its like history classes dont cut it

[split fulcrum]

its dark colored

i like the eu4 one alot

[lilac ginkgo]

I do change the map if I dont care about achievements

[split fulcrum]

@ivory hull have you played ck2

[prisma steppe]

ermmm

[ivory hull]

i have 70 minutes on ck3

[split fulcrum]

ok so you know the ui

how it looks

[lilac ginkgo]

I personally learnt history from other videogames and hoi4 is like a baby version of history class in a ww2 period

[ivory hull]

yea

[lilac ginkgo]

you can learn the basics of ww2 history form hoi4

[ivory hull]

really only the basics tho

[noble echo]

Just play a minor nation

[lilac ginkgo]

but you dont need history to play the game only if you want to know when an event happens so you can prepare yourself for it

[split fulcrum]

do you know any ui or mapmods that make it look like it?

[prisma steppe]

apparently if they accept they deoccupy the whole of france and africa

[split fulcrum]

yess

lets gooo

[lilac ginkgo]

Germany invades Poland in September of 1939..that could be useful if ur in the allies maybe

[ivory hull]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1784595666&searchtext=crusader+king
hasnt been updated since 2019

[topaz bobcat]

Just a question, if u start a new playthrough, should you do all of the alerts on top of UI? like do i mix my civilian and military factories in main country, should i focus on industry upgrades in research ? and how would i even apply that

[split fulcrum]

pfft whaat

[noble echo]

Yes focus on industry and research

[topaz bobcat]

after research is done

[split fulcrum]

i was asking for something similar

[topaz bobcat]

how apply

[split fulcrum]

didnt think someone literally added ck2 ui to hoi4

[noble echo]

It's automatic

[prisma steppe]

time to educate the french

[lilac ginkgo]

Research usually give you bonuses that apply automatically a

[topaz bobcat]

alright i see, so im guessing that national focus is like an objective or quest, right?

like i have to do it to progress

[noble echo]

Yes

[topaz bobcat]

italy ethiopea national focus is about taking over ethiopea, alright

[split fulcrum]

anyways @shrewd inlet usa boring, i have adhd (probably) and i need action IMMEDIATELY

[topaz bobcat]

i think i understand

[sly venture]

the campfire storys are about to be crazy

[noble echo]

Not necessarily always though, but they give you a lot of buffs

[ivory hull]

why are we using messerschmitt?

or man?

[sly venture]

what

[ivory hull]

the mio for planes

[sly venture]

it has good buffs

[noble echo]

I wouldn't be playing Italy tbh

[ivory hull]

focke wulf is ultimately better

like a lot

and henschel is a lot better for tanks

[split fulcrum]

italy good because they start at war

[ivory hull]

like 15% soft attack or so

[noble echo]

It's a pain to do it

[split fulcrum]

you learn supply

[topaz bobcat]

yeah but im a noob, i dont know who to even start, you said minor countries, every tutorial says italy because war, but they dont even explain how to fight a war

[split fulcrum]

its a massive pain at first because you dont know why your troops that are charging into mountains are starving

[topaz bobcat]

so wtf is the point

[noble echo]

No, Italy is pretty hard

[lilac ginkgo]

You could try Germany

Its easy

[split fulcrum]

smh dont expect a paradox tutorial to be good

[noble echo]

Try Hungary or similar nation

[lilac ginkgo]

Why would he

[split fulcrum]

why do people keep recommending boring tags

who likes playing support bro

[noble echo]

It's easy to play

[lilac ginkgo]

It is because you dont do anything

[ivory hull]

nah supporting nations help new players

[lilac ginkgo]

Your industry is shit

[split fulcrum]

but theyre boring

[ivory hull]

because you it doesnt matter how you perform

[split fulcrum]

id rather suffer playing germany not knowing what im doing

than play british raj

or sum like that

[ivory hull]

new players are even overwhelmed by minor nations

[ivory hull]

raj is ass

[split fulcrum]

i dunno

[ivory hull]

you want smth in europe

[noble echo]

It's not bad

[split fulcrum]

i might have experience because of eu4

[ivory hull]

yea you alr know how to manage allat

[split fulcrum]

so it doesnt overwhelm me as much

[lilac ginkgo]

I dont know bro im either too smart or the people around me are low iq

because I never tried to learn the game it just got in my head as I went

[noble echo]

I'm just playing for fun

[lilac ginkgo]

why is there certain metas for new players just do whatever feels fun

[split fulcrum]

because whyd you play a game

if you find it boring

[spare field]

enough ships to raze a capital to the ground sob

[lilac ginkgo]

you wont learn more by playing Hungary than youd learn as the us or something

its just a matter of time

[noble echo]

US is too big and has boring focuses

[lilac ginkgo]

Its got a good industry

[spare field]

truth nukes

[lilac ginkgo]

You wont be doing much as Hungary

[split fulcrum]

me when a focus gives hard buffs

[spare field]

usa has such an outdated tree

[split fulcrum]

i like EVENTS

[spare field]

its like japan but more broing

[split fulcrum]

i like WALLS of TEXT

[noble echo]

But you'll have more something happening

[lilac ginkgo]

Basically not

[split fulcrum]

germany is fun

you get into action quick

[lilac ginkgo]

You atleast get to experience a war as the us

[noble echo]

It's easier to manage

[lilac ginkgo]

could be

[split fulcrum]

bro WHO cares about easier to manage

youre playing a game for FUN not for EASE

[lilac ginkgo]

anyone that is new

[lilac ginkgo]

how can a game be fun if its got 100 interfaces you dont understand

[prisma steppe]

this game can be so based sometimes

[split fulcrum]

buddy I have like 180 HOURS and I DONT care about THAT

[split fulcrum]

read

[noble echo]

Buddy🫃

[split fulcrum]

and understand

[lilac ginkgo]

hoi4 is a complex game that only becomes easy once you learn it

[lilac ginkgo]

Read what

I personally cant learn shit by reading it

[prisma steppe]

i read "what" what now?

[lilac ginkgo]

now read what

[split fulcrum]

@prisma steppe is that a 7381 level city

what the hell

[topaz bobcat]

i can learn a thing or two but what i can't learn is a incoherent tutorial telling me everything at once but nothing helpful at all, yeah i already described paradox tutorials thrice now, i just mean the yt videos

i think i learn better when im having fun with the game, but im not really having fun because i am still confused

[split fulcrum]

did you watch the "complete hoi4 guide" videos

[topaz bobcat]

yea

[split fulcrum]

dont

[lilac ginkgo]

hoi4 is confusing sometimes..

[split fulcrum]

click on everything

[topaz bobcat]

-_- this is some bullshit

[split fulcrum]

because everything is a button

[low dock]

What does idk mean?

[topaz bobcat]

i wanna scream slurs at the video rn

[lilac ginkgo]

but if you re a visual learner you can watch normal video and you will learn

[noble echo]

Try Hungary

[lilac ginkgo]

are you russian

[split fulcrum]

what is visual learner dude

[topaz bobcat]

i was playing saudi arabia but alright

[topaz bobcat]

irl? no im syrian

[split fulcrum]

how does one say theyre visual and auditory learner

try hearing this equation

[lilac ginkgo]

learning by watching something/hearing someone explain something rather than read and remember it from a book

[lilac ginkgo]

as an example in school if a teacher explains something to us ill just remember it by paying attention to what she says

[split fulcrum]

i want you to describe to me the tense of this verb in demonstation

[lilac ginkgo]

Auditive means by hearing
Visual means by seeing
So I learn stuff easier by hearin and/or watching someone do said thing

[split fulcrum]

i know what visual learner means

[topaz bobcat]

i meant that the tutorials will tell you what every minisicule thing does but it doesn't have significant part in your gameplay, it insists on playing italy and learning war but doesn't teach you when, how, or why you submit certain orders to your divisions when conquering a country with mountain advantage

[prisma steppe]

"what" yes but what should i read next then?

[noble echo]

Just take it easy as a minor nation

[topaz bobcat]

its why im crashing out because i wasted my time learning nothing of significance

[prisma steppe]

maybe maybe trademaxxing for 3 hours at double gold

[split fulcrum]

did you read the name? did you read the time message was sent?

theres alot you havent read yet.

[split fulcrum]

islandmaxxing

[noble echo]

You probably wouldn't remember videos very well either way

[lilac ginkgo]

read what the next time you read what

[prisma steppe]

no the game doesnt like too many trains

[split fulcrum]

trains suck

[lilac ginkgo]

no

[split fulcrum]

trains need buff in openfront

what

[prisma steppe]

now i haveth read "what the next time you read what" what now?

[knotty vortex]

is it better to establish vichy france

or not

[prisma steppe]

trains dont suck

[topaz bobcat]

yea cuz theyre hours long, i am rewatching some parts for reference when im lost, and most of it is very minor and don't answer most of the time

[lilac ginkgo]

now read what the next time you read what after you read what next time you read

[knotty vortex]

im currently establishing most of the german puppet state

[split fulcrum]

more larp

so probably

[knotty vortex]

but is it better

i want the most benefits

[ivory hull]

then dont ig

more industry

[prisma steppe]

just put em in a line and print money like @lilac ginkgo collects braindamage

[split fulcrum]

hmm

i usually focus on trade

[knotty vortex]

recovering economy hopefully wont ruin me lol

[split fulcrum]

not trains

[knotty vortex]

biggest mistake

[noble echo]

Just do it yourself in the game, research engineering and industry, build up and search for specific questions you need online

[lilac ginkgo]

It might

[ivory hull]

bro

[lilac ginkgo]

you should've done the economic focuses first

you finish it by the time you grab Austria and czechia

[ivory hull]

you dont have to finish it

lol

for 4 year plan

[lilac ginkgo]

You finish the stuff you can

[ivory hull]

you just wanna get the consumer goods decisions

[ivory hull]

*you want

[lilac ginkgo]

usually I finish everything I can before it locks me behind an excavation requirement or war with a major

Then I annex austia and all that

[ivory hull]

you usually want to get austria in like mid 36

its like your fifth focus you take

[lilac ginkgo]

well I dont and I still do just fine

[ivory hull]

yea its just worse

[lilac ginkgo]

worse doesnt make a difference

I still mog

[ivory hull]

kinda does

[lilac ginkgo]

in sp it doesnt

[knotty vortex]

do you reckon i can take the british navy with 69 of these guys

lol