hoi4-general

[ivory kelp]

half of modern europe is terribel

[iron iron]

Yeah

[eternal aspen]

@molten forge i'm booting up rn

[ivory kelp]

invading norway in the winter is suck a pain

every tile takes so long to travel through

[sly venture]

time to starve them

[iron iron]

Halfway through my invasion on Germany I got SMASHED by winter

And then Italy started to eat me a bit

[eternal aspen]

mfw snowy norway with heavy tanks and mech in the dead of winter

[iron iron]

Then uk helped

[eternal aspen]

like, russian winters x2

[ivory kelp]

watch the subs get shredded in 2 weeks

[sly venture]

12% visibility:

[ivory kelp]

they are bugged in the new update...

idk if theyve fixed it yet

[sly venture]

i mean ive not lost a single one

and its been 3 weeks

[ivory kelp]

e

i mean my save's british fleet isnt doing anything either so

oh nevermind i sunk 1 carrier when i wasnt looking

[iron iron]

When you start to loose a war so you have to bring out your divisions just called “death..”

[ivory kelp]

feels the aura

oh my

mansteins worst defeat

[sly venture]

the soveits are catcthinge evryone

[ivory kelp]

rip

[sly venture]

subs

[merry compass]

Will someone tag me if i keep typing

[ivory kelp]

probrably

[eternal aspen]

damn you slow computer

i'm still waiting for the game to load

[old echo]

War's still ongoing in my Historical AI game, but I've managed to clear up one of the fronts. You just don't touch a man's Bessarabia.

[ivory kelp]

"legionary romaia"

[old echo]

I mean, considering it's my second ever game of HOI4 I thought it was safest to go the Axis route.

[sly venture]

is this a good tank?

[iron iron]

Spain gonna be ok

[ivory kelp]

oh my

just draw a field marshall frontline

[iron iron]

I did

[eternal aspen]

tryna find out why hoi4 is being priccy with me

[iron iron]

I have 3 field marshals

I had to draw 3 frontlines

[eternal aspen]

he does

[ivory kelp]

would use hmg instead of armor skirts, unless it is for infantry

[ivory kelp]

i meant shift+click

[eternal aspen]

holy crap bro you might need to withdraw one due to supply in northern spain

[sly venture]

its for infantry

[eternal aspen]

also, why doesn't hoi4 wanna give me the server ID

[ivory kelp]

like this

[eternal aspen]

like

[ivory kelp]

then use welded armor instead of riveted

gives more armor

[iron iron]

Spain is already gone

British naval invasion?

[eternal aspen]

gibraltar

[iron iron]

This playthrough getting boring

[molten forge]

hey

[ivory kelp]

finally

[molten forge]

sorry if i responed a bit late i was on greece

[sly venture]

weve landed on british soil

[ivory kelp]

im blue now 😄

[eternal aspen]

check DM's

[ivory kelp]

which one should i choose

where is culumbria wth

[sly venture]

aint no way

[noble echo]

North Sea Empire is kinda looking better but maybe that's just me

[winged field]

The one you can do first. You can then choose the bigger one

All cores remain same + new ones

[eternal aspen]

@molten forge what's your steam? i'll add you so i can js invite

[vital cove]

lmao why can communist china just ask china to be its puppet and they agree

why didn't mao do this irl is he stupid

[heavy vigil]

yes

no because like

have you seen chiang

he was such a sellout he probably would agree if he could stay rich

[vital cove]

im not sure besides being greedy he was also power hungry

[eternal aspen]

tbf he just saw the chinese soviet do to the japanese forces what they did to them, and then some, just because equally spilt blood, and bro sat there peenar int he wind wondering why he can't make advances in 1950

[heavy vigil]

nah

well yes

but he was utterly incompetant

so if its a threat of like 'stay rich or we will destroy your army' i think hed choose the former

[eternal aspen]

sorta bro was anti-corruption, when it didn't benefit him, and it almost alwas did, as well as him just being the worst at things ever

tbf that applies to almost anybody

like you wouldn't like if people skimmed the top before giving it to you, it'd only be fair it is was the otherway, at least in corrupt mindsets

[vital cove]

well yes
but i had 15 divisions and he had 120 divisions i would not be winning this

[heavy vigil]

you would

[vital cove]

i mean

eventually yes

because im a player

and have a brain

(sometimes)

[heavy vigil]

worst possible leader for china NGL

like you have so many people and you choose a chud whose like 'i am big corrupt man'

[fallen hearth]

you just know france will be defeated easily when you see this

[eternal aspen]

power corrupts, and it is very prevailant in china, where beaurocracy to manage the general jobs, social classes, and such, becomes a burden at any time period as things expand, it's been a thing in china since the bronze, maybe even mid urban revolution

[sly venture]

this one mechanic is the reason why my whole air force is useless

[ivory kelp]

this might be enough naval invasions im not sure

[molten forge]

ima dm you

[heavy vigil]

its probably not

its about what the invasions are individually, your units dont look like proper marines

[ivory kelp]

they arent "proper" marines but they suffice

[heavy vigil]

as long as they get 50% amphib theyre proper marines

[ivory kelp]

yep capped they uk

[ivory kelp]

this enough for ireland and man

?

the moment i get there they just disengage ;-;

[vivid juniper]

I usually went with 40 width block marine units

[prisma saddle]

didnt the new naval invasion system changed?

[ivory kelp]

yes

but i have maxed naval tech

[vivid juniper]

But paratroopers did the job as well , 40 width paratroopers

[ivory kelp]

i swear to god uks fleet is hiding in the sahara desert

they have 11 carriers and not a single one is at their ports

[vivid juniper]

The problem with them is the AI guards every coastline and they’ll break any division you sent on impact

Even if you get past

[ivory kelp]

yeah so i sent a full army in the naval invasion

ive failed one to many times

im not taking any more chances

[vivid juniper]

Britain here in this game messed up. I got air supremacy and dropped 40 combat width paratroopers I was able to occupant enough territory to get my full army in and they folded

[ivory kelp]

french commune???

[vivid juniper]

Non histrionical

[ivory kelp]

ah

i swear to god if ireland somehow holds better than uk

[vivid juniper]

I scene lot of historical games of the French invading Ireland successfully

I don’t know why they go for those

[ivory kelp]

factories i guess

thank god i made landfall

a crap ton a american divisions just flooded in

and now

to the eastern front

still wasnt able to catcsh uks fleet

why am i black ;-;

[vivid juniper]

You’re at war with everyone…

[ivory kelp]

yeah

alone against the world mod

[ivory kelp]

im supposed to do this alone lol

😭

bye bye maginot

[sly venture]

nivceeee

[ivory kelp]

congrats

slovakia carried

[cold frigate]

should i get la resistance for spy agency?

[sly venture]

real 7k people died fighting for slovakia

[ivory kelp]

yes if you have enough focus to do the upgrades and operations

[sly venture]

get every dlc

[lost dawn]

I would get every DLC

But fr.... games, and their DLCs, are getting too expensive.

I lack only the DLCs after Graveyard of Empires

[cold frigate]

too expensive

[feral grail]

Can I somehow produce through settings a scenario where ussr takes over entire europe and then I playing as usa heroicly liberate them all

[ivory kelp]

just consle annex the whole europe for ussr

[lost dawn]

Not if you want to have Ironman enabled

[ivory kelp]

the allies are cooked

[feral grail]

Nah idc about that

[ivory hull]

are you denmark?

[ivory kelp]

yes

[ivory hull]

are you using fleet submarines?

[ivory kelp]

it was all denmark

[ivory kelp]

surface raiders

light cruisers

[ivory hull]

ah ok

[lost dawn]

To give you a little rundown of what happened during my last game. I decided that I wanted to take out Bulgaria after annexing Greece. So I invaded Bulgaria and they joined the comintern. I did quite well for a time and decided to attack communist Spain next thinking that they would then join the comintern aswell. Only, they joined the allies for some reason.

[ivory kelp]

hoi4 logic

[ivory hull]

just hoi4, maybe they went down the anti communist one and still turned communist

[lost dawn]

Not that big a disaster. I started pushing through north Africa and moved another army to spain to deal with them faster. This army was previously on the border with Turkey. Guess what happened next....

[ivory hull]

usually its best to just ignore africa lol

nothing to really lose

tbh

[lost dawn]

Please... be sure to guess.

[sudden thistle]

Make European countries go communist

[ivory hull]

turkey joined the comintern?

[lost dawn]

The allies.

But yes

[ivory hull]

even better

[lost dawn]

Democratic Turkey who, was not at war with anyone at the time, randomly decided to join the allies in 1941.

[ivory hull]

are you on non-historical?

[lost dawn]

Yes

[fair bough]

Anyone who got a good tank division for romania so i can beat the germans?

[lost dawn]

Ah yes. Romania. Land of the Romans.

[fair bough]

Yes

[latent dune]

90284185134003202

1939

[fair bough]

Thanks

[lost dawn]

Romania literally stole Italy's name

[fair bough]

🤯

[lost dawn]

I mean. I guess we should have expected that.

[fair bough]

Yuh

[ivory kelp]

oh my

i feel bad for the allies]

[fair bough]

Whats an fun but not to easy or to hard country to play

[ivory kelp]

||denmark||

romania

[fair bough]

I alr played romania kinda getting bored

[ivory hull]

try the soviets if you havent

[fair bough]

And romania is to ez

[ivory kelp]

tannutuva

[fair bough]

I can try but beating the germans wil be hard

[ivory kelp]

norway

[fair bough]

I can do that

[lost dawn]

I cannot bring myself to play as the Soviets personally.

[ivory hull]

romania is easy but the soviets arent?

[ivory hull]

the soviets are the 2nd strongest after germany

[lost dawn]

That is not why I said it

[fair bough]

I just cant beat tge germans

[lost dawn]

I cannot bring myself to play as a communist country

[fair bough]

Make them facist

[ivory hull]

the soviets arent really communism, theyre just another dictatorship

[fair bough]

🤯

[lost dawn]

That's what communism is

[ivory kelp]

good luck allies

1 nuke every other week

[ivory hull]

the actual definition alters from the soviets

[sly venture]

WHAT

[ivory hull]

whats going on in russia?

[sly venture]

NOTHING

[ivory hull]

how much cas do you have?

[sly venture]

its not that i dont have cas

i dont have air supply

[ivory hull]

no way thats the problem

whats your cas design?

[ivory hull]

bro

[ivory hull]

if you overstack an airport

its basically useless

[ivory hull]

good design

use junkers as the mio tho

to get more buffs

[ivory hull]

assign your airwings to armies, they will automatically split

[sly venture]

how

[molten forge]

playing spain rn

[ivory hull]

select your airwings and click on the plus above your armies

[sly venture]

can i assign it to field marshals

[ivory hull]

no

for your frontlines tho

hold shift when making a field marshal frontline

[sly venture]

now we are pushing

thanks

[ivory hull]

it creates a frontline without sub armies

[sly venture]

yea i know

[ivory hull]

then why arent you using it

[sly venture]

i did not think itbwas useful

niceee

[ivory hull]

its always better?

[ivory hull]

try getting more cas

the more cas

the better

[fair bough]

What is best cas and normal fighter plane build

[sly venture]

we won

[ivory hull]

nice

[ivory hull]

this design if you have the range mio

[summer lagoon]

anyone willing to help me im 4 months washed with 500h on the game

[sly venture]

I ACCIDENTALLY PUPPETED HALF OF USSR

[patent thistle]

i basically just salvaged my old PC, yeah,

[patent thistle]

and yes thats DDR3 ram

[lost dawn]

This proves people wrong when they say the DDR was no good. What do you mean? Why else would they make DDR2 and DDR3?

Old joke

I know...

[patent thistle]

lol

i am selling everything on ebay some idiot/desperate person is going to buy it still

the case is most likely going first with the disk drive honestly

[feral grail]

Is it still possible to take uk in 1938 as napoleon after the navy and German dlc

[fair bough]

Someone challanged me to unite north and south america under ecuador rule whats the best way to do so

[sly venture]

@ivory hull the thing you told me with the planes madethis 500% easier

[ivory hull]

yea because your planes now actually do something

[sly venture]

this should have been a bit easier to see and not just a small button

[ivory hull]

yea microing your planes is kinda hard work to do every time

[sly venture]

only major left now is japan

[molten forge]

do you guys think spain is fun?

[fair bough]

Anyoen know the best way?

[sly venture]

if you know how to play it yes

[molten forge]

well

[icy lion]

how tf is anarchist winning

[patent thistle]

try to rush down colombia and everything to form grand colombia

[fair bough]

Wait ecuador has a formable?

[patent thistle]

yep

[fair bough]

Thanks

[molten forge]

am anarchist

[fair bough]

That makes it possible

[drowsy mirage]

cz hes playing as it

[molten forge]

and its 40

[drowsy mirage]

i can never win the spanish civil war

[molten forge]

lowk wanna try carlist

or nvm

[drowsy mirage]

i think falangist path is more interesting

[molten forge]

what dlcs you got?

[drowsy mirage]

hold om

i basically got em all

[patent thistle]

oh this is so cursed-

[drowsy mirage]

what the

[molten forge]

mind if we do a mp?

[drowsy mirage]

why not

[molten forge]

alright

what nation you wanna play

[drowsy mirage]

hm

[patent thistle]

i basically refit the pretender heavy cruiser denmark starts with and that happend to be the pride of the fleet ig?

[drowsy mirage]

italy or yugoslavia

[fervent minnow]

yall

[drowsy mirage]

dang

[fervent minnow]

any inf for mp suggestions

[molten forge]

alright

i think i can play

alt hist or hist?

[drowsy mirage]

historial or non

uhhh

i dont mind

any

[molten forge]

guess alt hist so its unpredictable

[drowsy mirage]

alr

[sly venture]

the convoy rading about to be crazy

[molten forge]

mind if i do poland?

[drowsy mirage]

why not

[molten forge]

alright, can you dm me the code?

[drowsy mirage]

ye

[molten forge]

thanks man

[fair bough]

whats a good division for ecuador

[iron iron]

Imagine a photo of Kaiser Wilhelm and Hitler

Like they were very bad people

But that would actually be the hardest photo in existence

[sly venture]

this is sub is neraly invisible

[knotty grove]

If its invisible, then why can i see it?

[supple halo]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-drooling-patrick-star-spongebob-movie-drooling-slime-gif-525340425450564005

[knotty grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1160185077817425990/1309261356972769310/attachment.gif

[supple halo]

https://tenor.com/view/hoi4-hearts-of-iron-4-looksmax-sigma-sigma-face-gif-232308269668432623

[knotty grove]

https://tenor.com/view/tfr-loji-long-march-the-long-march-the-fire-rises-gif-12239745271663484105

[supple halo]

https://tenor.com/view/will-you-be-my-valentine-hearts-love-notes-gif-13429119

[lost dawn]

Poland might be dead soon.

[supple halo]

Poland mentioned. 🗣️🔥

[lost dawn]

It is not a positive mention for Poland.

[knotty grove]

Why is poland at war with half of europe?

[supple halo]

Still a mention.

[lost dawn]

I am not quite sure.

This is non-historical so anything could happen I suppose.

[supple halo]

Poland messed up so bad that even the British are after them.

[lost dawn]

No more Poland

[supple halo]

GROẞE DEUTSCHE

[lavish obsidian]

Poland dementioned

[lost dawn]

No more Poland

[knotty vortex]

anybody got a space marines template for me?

[iron iron]

If you kill against Poland before the Molotov pact or whatever

Do you keep all of Poland

[knotty vortex]

dont the ussr just demand it anyway

[mighty zephyr]

ahh, the devs actually thought of this which is why the ussr claims everything BUT east poland

[west jungle]

Why did paradox change the doctrines I much preferred the way they used to be

[iron iron]

So do you keep it or not

I’m so tired I can’t understand thst sentence

[winged tree]

guys look

validate me

[iron iron]

Your so good and an Amazing hoi4 player

[lost nymph]

someone know how to circumvent this: AI tried to post an invalid command: unlock_trait_command

[lethal ether]

validates

[terse skiff]

@heavy vigil how's this for your garrison division

[heavy vigil]

:(

IC effectiveness is dead

[terse skiff]

-470% atk on amphibious

[heavy vigil]

it does that

:P

[patent thistle]

rip norwegian navy

[zenith charm]

what happens if i set historical on but i change gamerules which one does the ai focus on

[finite plume]

😔 ✌️

[winged field]

there is some sky in your planes

[lost dawn]

This is so annoying

The Austrians are able to hold their ground with those two provinces

and the Germans are Yugos have low supply

[finite plume]

Ain't that lovely

[winged field]

tf kind of bomber u using 😭

[finite plume]

Italy being competent for once

[finite plume]

The one that bombs things

Like

Alot of things

[modern torrent]

world if napoe

world if napoleon won waterloo

[lethal ether]

what is a waterdoo

[winged field]

bros bombs are made of pure jolly

[sudden thistle]

Imagine Stalingrad

But like 120 ish years before

[lethal ether]

dang

[finite plume]

https://tenor.com/view/pigeon-doctor-pigeon-doctor-walking-t-mobile-gif-7871406254764076813

[lethal ether]

yeah and bullets are made of kitkat

[finite plume]

Most went off 👍

Good lord

[daring geyser]

@heavy vigil look whos a helper now

[knotty vortex]

how do i move this further to the right, ive done the decisions

[finite plume]

I can't bro the sheer drop off in industry 😭

They only have 67 factories now

Which I hate

I needa bomb em more

Italy also made them throw hard

[thorny wind]

https://tenor.com/view/67-bunny-electricity-blue-eyes-gif-2575377350962267938

[sly venture]

been a while since the republicans have won the civil war ngl

[finite plume]

How did Austria even get here

[patent thistle]

germany was NOT ready for that second front 🤣

[royal kindle]

forgot to help italy in africa

[heavy vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-shakes-you-violently-gif-24929527

[patent thistle]

this could all have been prevented if you didnt call italy in the first place

[sly venture]

if it reaches 0 visibility what happens?

[royal kindle]

its fine once i get the uk i can help italy get i back

[sly venture]

is the sub just transparent

[snow rain]

undetectable but that's impossible

it's hard capped iirc

[sly venture]

I feel like that design is the maximum you can do

[finite plume]

My Italy ain't doing great either

[heavy vigil]

you can get more i think

[royal kindle]

going roman empire?

[snow rain]

add the visibility buffs from doctrines (if any), admiral, sea terrain and naval spirits+naval academy

[sly venture]

What is the lowest it can go

[snow rain]

would guess about 6.8 or something like that

[sly venture]

I usually just make subs and spam them

[finite plume]

I'm South Africa

Idk what Italy's up to

[sly venture]

and then put them everywhere to convoy raid

[snow rain]

20% from admiral trait, 20% from fyord and archipelagos, 10% from academy

[royal kindle]

ah

[finite plume]

They threw out Mussolini

[heavy vigil]

limited combat thing spirit is -10

[sly venture]

is this a good 1940 design

[heavy vigil]

you can get national buffs too

[heavy vigil]

id guess the minimum is 0.4-0.5

[snow rain]

yes, it's what I count as the academy

[finite plume]

Y'know it's alt-history when Poland is at peace

[royal kindle]

ya we might need to para drop

[finite plume]

Most functional Czech industry rn

[lost dawn]

Honestly

Belgium deserves it

I am not even going to intervene

[cursive crag]

🔒 Message blocked

-# Now Discord has to verify your age with your ID to read messages from certain people.

[lost dawn]

I know this is unfair

but they did declare war on me

[tired tendon]

I hate uk so much

it just sits and you cant conquer it cuz of it's fleet

its annoying

oh usa joined the war

welp im cooked

[quick hare]

Whos estes kefauver, i made him president of the usa in a cold war mod from 1952 to 1960

[hoary olive]

naval bombers can scare off UK's fleet and give you ~15 seconds time to naval invade

[tired tendon]

huh

[ivory hull]

just spam light cruisers and cas

[hoary olive]

or you can send entire fleet on english channel on patrol, and although you will lose almost everything, you'll get enough dominance for 1 naval invasion

[tired tendon]

i lost it to uk lmfao

i have no fleet

[ivory hull]

half of the time you do that your fleets gets destroyed before

[tired tendon]

uk shredded it

[ivory hull]

restart if you dont want to wait for a new fleet or paratroopers

[hoary olive]

you still don't need THAT much dominance for naval invasion, so hypothetically you can get 1 done

telling from personal experience

[ivory hull]

yea i usually get my navy off after the invasion so that dont happen

[winged tree]

thank you mr kaiser 🙂

[winged tree]

🫂

guys whats a good template for invading france in 1939 as german empire

tank template

what should the balance between trucks and tanks be

[lethal ether]

the

[winged tree]

wta

wta

wat**

[vocal bolt]

I just beat the soviets

[winged tree]

gj

[vocal bolt]

do I jut go into the axis right now

their lines seem thin they got like 3-5 divs at most per tile

I can definetly wait it out to outscale them easily but id like to fight asap

my main concern is japan

I got like NO navy

germany is pretty much doo doo rn

spain is my puppet

all the nordics my allies

they should have no iron

[somber agate]

hitler and napoleon larp

[tired tendon]

yeah it sucks

their warplan is to wait till the usa sugardaddy comes and bonks me

usa is a timer that murders germany if you dont snowball quickly enouugh

[knotty vortex]

yay milestone

https://tenor.com/view/throw-out-rage-parks-and-rec-nick-offerman-ron-swanson-gif-17688925

[tired tendon]

acc germany has absolutely insane amount of steel

[finite plume]

Italian AI is becoming competent

[fair horizon]

Build a better fleet then

[ivory hull]

nobody builds a fleet as germany btw

[fair horizon]

Germany has the industry to so

[ivory hull]

navy is the less fun part of hoi tho

[severe tangle]

Why was this lowkey fun 🥀

[fair horizon]

Skill issue

Navy is super easy

[ivory hull]

why even try building up a skill that i wont even use

[ivory hull]

*super useless

[fair horizon]

So you can invade the british isles ig lmao

[ivory hull]

works with the german starting navy

or just spamming subs

or light cruisers

[tired reef]

wiped

[fair horizon]

So still bulding a navy then

[ivory hull]

yea but not navy larping

i can build a navy or build a navy

[heavy vigil]

lets not post controversial figures / politicians #server-rules

[left grotto]

okay, sorry

[lethal ether]

australia got so much bigger

[heavy vigil]

youre confusing australia with lithuania

[fair horizon]

I hate the smug teal one, its aura mocks me

[woven gate]

i'm building up my own doctrine

[tired tendon]

also guys dont treat my opinion very seriousy cuz i suck at this game, the thing is i was able to win against any country that stood in my way so far, but uk is making me legit crashout

[fair horizon]

Explain the issue

[tired tendon]

#hoi4-general message

[fair horizon]

Oh, just build up your navy and patrol it in the english channel with it on do not engage

Naval invade

Profit

Or starve the UK out of oil by convoy raiding

[lost dawn]

Anything I can do in this situation? The Belgians declared war on me and then joined the faction of Germany. Germany will soon be at war with me..... I did not exactly have an army near the border.

[golden granite]

which cities are most likely to let me instantly capitulate france with paratroopers?

[fair horizon]

move troops back to france?

[lost dawn]

The main part of my army is fighting Franco in Spain

(The soviets are also in the faction with Germany that is why they are also at war with me)

I do have some troops on that border

Near Romania and Bulgaria

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/runescape-oldschool-old-school-runescape-osrs-canoe-gif-26555920

[golden granite]

😔 tryna do an iceland run

[fair horizon]

im sorry 😭

[golden granite]

💔 I clicked on random country and I said whichever one I get I'll just a run on it and it ended up on Iceland

[heavy vigil]

fun

[fair horizon]

one of the worst experiences in the game

[timber laurel]

its over man

[heavy vigil]

you wont have enough paras

[timber laurel]

nothing can be done

[heavy vigil]

i dont think anyway

because you need to take like 5-10 of the largest cities with force attack and win the battles or have it be unguarded

which doesnt really happen

[golden granite]

damn

[heavy vigil]

well it can happen but youd need reasonably large units

[golden granite]

so how should I do this run then cause ion got any other ideas

[heavy vigil]

play iceland

pray you get strikes if you go fascist

because the strikes slowly let you turn communist if you let them run

[golden granite]

wait so go fascist then communist?

isn't it better to pick one from the start

[heavy vigil]

its not reliable but its how you get the most stats

[golden granite]

ohhh I se

cause usually my go-to is just facist iceland for its viking buffs

[heavy vigil]

well but then you have no manpower

besides like 1 bad advisor

[golden granite]

+100 manpower weekly 😻

[heavy vigil]

you get 800 as communist

[golden granite]

ooo

[heavy vigil]

nordic faction focus is 300 weekly

[lost nymph]

someone heard about this error before? when you are in a peace conference and afterwards the game just crashes again and again. If I dont push the war the game keeps running tho.

[1939.06.21.10][gameidler.cpp:1604]: AI tried to post an invalid command: unlock_trait_command

[golden granite]

I see, I only have 119 hours on hoi4 atm so I really have no idea what I'm doing

[heavy vigil]

and iceland is one of the weakest nations

definitely the weakest with a focus tree

[golden granite]

Best way to learn is the hard way 💯

I've been trying to play Greece aswell but i'm not having any luck on that either

[heavy vigil]

thats fair thats fair

[golden granite]

I wanna play a fun formable

[heavy vigil]

not amny people play iceland

[golden granite]

it looks fun

[lost nymph]

yes and no because the focus tree is really limiting, you could learn with also a weak nation but better focus tree

[golden granite]

ah

[heavy vigil]

its fine

whatever makes someone focus

but yeah iceland is like, super limited, and i havent seen anyone other than myself play it in like the year and a bit since ive been on this server XD

[golden granite]

ooo

Well it's better I actually learn the game

[lost nymph]

well all generic trees are lame, if there is a tree made for the nation spicily then it is kinda fine I guess.

[heavy vigil]

iceland has content

its not generic

[golden granite]

Do you mind giving a decent formable nation to play to try and learn a lil sum?

[heavy vigil]

if you wanna play iceland thats fine, you should be able to beat denmark as first step and from there like maybe norway and sweden

[lost nymph]

yeah but I have the feeling some unique trees feel more like the generic, that is what I wanted to say.

[fair horizon]

generic tree goes hard

[heavy vigil]

denmark is super weak and not a terrible first opponent

youll have to use your decisions to spawn ships ASAP so you can get a bunch of cruisers for aupremaxy

and then figure out how marines work to take the faroe islands, then denmark proper

[golden granite]

what on earth is an aupremaxy

[heavy vigil]

supremacy*

dominance

[golden granite]

ohhh right

[heavy vigil]

i cant spell

[lost nymph]

Well I hope you dont Bork your safe game with defeating denmark 😛

[heavy vigil]

another important thing naturally is to fully equip your units both with manpower and the best weapons (preferably ahead of time weapons)

[heavy vigil]

its fine to learn as iceland, its just a bit hard

but really any nation will be hard

you do get an easy opponent as "natural" enemy though

[lost nymph]

bork in as brick the safe game. My is because I went against them first and now my iron man is in limbo because CTD

[heavy vigil]

idk what that means

[lost nymph]

crash to desktop

[golden granite]

naval wise - what ships should I research into?

[lost nymph]

After the peace conference my game keeps crashing after I defeated denmark

[lost nymph]

cruisers, subs and destroyers. But you have a very low manpower pool so maybe not subs

[fair horizon]

capital ships

you get free cruisers from the focus

[golden granite]

💔 What's a capital ship?

[fair horizon]

even then you wont be using them till after you conquer stuff

heavy cruisers, battleships, carriers

[lost nymph]

heavy cruisers and battleships are capitals . a carrier is kinda a capital

[trim lotus]

Sorta (TM). Carriers are different from regular capitals (heavy cruisers, batttleships, battlecruisers).

[heavy vigil]

none

[golden granite]

ah

[heavy vigil]

you dont have the research for it regardless

you have 2 slots

[fair horizon]

they're all capital ships

[heavy vigil]

1 goes on getting infantry weapons

[trim lotus]

Battle line capitals are equipped with heavy guns, are in the second line, and need to be screened by 4 screen vessels (destroyers, light cruisers), else they're super-vulnerable to torpedoes.

[heavy vigil]

the other goes on industrial production stuff

maaybe you use the first for marines

[golden granite]

ig I'll start with marines

[trim lotus]

Carriers, whilst very much capital ships IRL, behave differently: they're in the third line, and have to be screened by a single battle line capital, else they're easily targeted by enemy heavy guns.

[fair horizon]

line capital and screens

you have to screen them just as much as any other capital

[heavy vigil]

usually youd start with gun

[serene breach]

guys are these numbers good or mid

[heavy vigil]

but yeah starting with marines is fine for you

[fair horizon]

heavy guns only target the first 2 active lines in a battle thats the only reason you need "line ships"

[uncut pollen]

@heavy vigil any way that uk dosent Garanty every country i want to attack?

[knotty vortex]

whats bulgarias strongest path for ahistorical

[golden granite]

so better to go communist iceland rather than facist?

[heavy vigil]

dont play hist ai

[winged field]

3rd empire but go with left side to get that sweet compliance bonus

[heavy vigil]

its more reliable but your units are worse at the end of the day

you should probably play for reliable gameplay

[knotty vortex]

alright bet

[uncut pollen]

I dont play it

[heavy vigil]

uhhh cry

[trim lotus]

Does Iceland have the generic focus tree? If so, definitely Communist: Iceland has a very tiny population base, so you need those portraits of Karl Marx to fill out your divisions.

[heavy vigil]

they dont

[knotty vortex]

is that democratic?

[uncut pollen]

One reason more to cry

[heavy vigil]

play iceland before giving iceland advice please

its genuinely hard as a nation

[winged field]

no can u schreenshot the focus tree quickly?

[sly venture]

what is a country harder then Germany but not way harder then Germany?

[winged field]

Or I can search for it

[fair horizon]

i tend to find when you're under 10% generated the uk doesnt care as long as you are using the retake claimed or core land

[heavy vigil]

ussr

uk

[keen pebble]

how do i fix this?

[golden granite]

ask nicely maybe

[keen pebble]

thanks dovydas

[knotty vortex]

bit zoomed out

[golden granite]

gotchu

[tepid crown]

Eh, USA is kinda meh as ai

[winged field]

the grey one

[lost nymph]

guys, what woould you do If you cant make peace with denmark as sweden ?

[winged field]

or white

[sly venture]

is convoy warfare good against China as Japan?

[winged field]

it looks grey to me

[knotty vortex]

i love this diagram

[winged field]

but yeah u kinda need democratic support at some point

[lost nymph]

its okay 😛 but yeah they are not really agressive

[winged field]

but thats about it

[tepid crown]

And then they lose all those planes because ai can’t efficiently use the air designer

[keen pebble]

anyone know how i can fix this?

[lost nymph]

do you think you could take them on with a minor and a good design but need tu build the airforce from the ground up for half a year before the war?

[fair horizon]

who even are you?

[tepid crown]

Yes

[lost nymph]

welp it looks like my broken iron man game can be saved by liberating denmark instead of taking it or puppeting it. anyone heard of this bug?

[gritty tundra]

Im going with amphibious new zealand

Cavalry sucks

[sly venture]

I will stop using space marines and use something more skilled now that I know the basics of the game

[ivory hull]

why even play new zealand in vanilla

[sly venture]

to form the kiwi empire

[ivory hull]

if your gonna play such a nation, at least play a mod then

[gritty tundra]

It's my third playthrough btw

First one was new zealand and second one was canada

[fair horizon]

based anzac player

[ivory hull]

next one better be australia

[heavy vigil]

i play most countries

i played chile like yesterday i think

first time

last time

[fair horizon]

casey didnt you hate it

[heavy vigil]

it was ok

i cored mexico

everything else i dont like

[misty fossil]

Didnt fight allies

L

[twin nebula]

is the finish starting jaeger template any good?

[winged field]

no, unless u change it

[twin nebula]

should I add more jaegers

[upper merlin]

Did anyone play the classic Hearts of Iron Darkest Hour

Prior to playing hoi4?

If so… THERES a remaster that needs to happen

[ivory hull]

there is a hoi4 mod called darkest hour

[upper merlin]

Which I think, is literally meant to be the unofficial sequel to the OG one

[lost nymph]

what does it do?

[ivory hull]

yea think so too, really great mod

sad that its not up to date yet

[upper merlin]

I think they’re finally resuming serious work on it for the first time in ages again, as of a semi recent update from December

[misty blaze]

I love great hungary

[misty blaze]

Hello

The update is pretty darn good

[upper merlin]

Wanna know one mod for darkest hour that NEEDS to be implemented even if by different people, into hoi4?

The amazing 1914 mod

Which starts in 1897

And ends in 1925

Imagine the Great War redux mod, but on meth

Like, actually having enough time to win the naval arms race as Germany

Actually saving the qing dynasty in a realistic timespan , same for the Russian empire

Never felt realistic to somehow save the Russian empire in 1910… but it does in 1897, ya know?

[ivory hull]

yea a new mod in that timeline would be really cool, especially after what happened to gwr

[twin nebula]

what's a good really early plane template

I have no planes right now and I need something just for air defense

like a fighter

[upper merlin]

Yup. I feel the tech tree’s vibe would be well, extremely detailed but you have to research all the little bits that create a moder 20th century army that won’t just get massacred in the field when ww1 starts

Ahem, looking at you France with your blue and red uniforms..

Not like, black ice tedious but maybe allow you to research and build uniforms and maybe even helmets

[quick hare]

I like focus trees mods but sometimes i get frustrated when nothing happens bc i like to play in a specific way diplomatically that always makes the happening tending for nothing

[ivory hull]

i think just uniform tech, iirc rt56 adds a system like that

like that would just be better imo

[quick hare]

Guess the mod

[upper merlin]

And it won’t be as easy to research all the stuff you need for a modern war even with modern hindsight.

I’d like to see a system implemented where your economy has various stages of peace time v wartime production and research

America for instance would likely be full on civilian economy in 1897

Massive research bonuses to industry and infrastructure but negative ones to miltisry research

[ivory hull]

i really like how the darkest hour mod did the economy, not too complicated but not over simplified

[zenith charm]

that's cwic

[upper merlin]

It could just be simple as policy icons dedicated to either how much you want to spend in PP for army, navy, industrial, infrastructure and industrial vehicle research

America would probably have medium/somewhat high navy funding and high industry funding , but Bare bones everything else

I feel like it should be genuinely back breaking my expensive too, to have max research on any policy at any time too… and you actually don’t always want that

[split bane]

Cold War Icon Curtain

[upper merlin]

And this could be seen as “Muh racist “

But should there like in Victoria 2 where you have “uncivilized “ nations being those that have next to no westernization/industrialization reforms

Then, you have semi civilized/half industrialized states like maybe those who are still in the “first Industrial Revolution “ phase? You can still research tech but it’s painfully slow before you reach “fully industrial society “ @ivory hull

[lost nymph]

why does something like that happen? why does the unit with a crystal clear plan attack teh wrong tile?

[quick hare]

Bro 😭

[upper merlin]

These would be ideas of course

[knotty vortex]

why does this happen in every ahist game

how am i actually supposed to do anything

[pulsar saffron]

just saw that happen in ahist and germany actually won

wait youre bulgaria

[upper merlin]

I’d probably call it the “Fall of Eagles” mod, based off an actual book and old bbc series about the collaspe of the Austrian, German and Russian royal families before and during ww1’s

Nice mod name?

[pulsar saffron]

it helped that russia went romanov and joined axis

[winged field]

so czechoslovakian italy is just a universal thing at this point

[pulsar saffron]

and allies started fighting czech entente

started up a raj game expecting to fight a civil war for freedom

king picked the wrong queen

boom empire over

[lost nymph]

same again, why are units attacking tiles they should not attack acording to the plan?

[warm falcon]

what exactly counts as "imperial germany" can i do victoria to get the achievement in which i have to conquer a caribbean island

[pulsar saffron]

were already independent

[knotty vortex]

bro i hate how every nation just joins the same faction

ill attack a country and theyll genuinely just join the faction that will cause me as many inconveniences as possible

its not even fun anymore

i might try the bulgaria path on historical to see if its any easier

[lost nymph]

well I would do that to if its barely inconvenient for me as that country 😛

[knotty vortex]

i mean i dont even know what bulgaria do in hoi4

apart from have stupid army debuffs

[winged field]

it has the most op focus btw xD

if you have the dlc

[patent thistle]

great noone is home boys!

[sly venture]

why are they refusing????

[gilded creek]

well well well when am i going to understand this shit

[knotty vortex]

bro why is pp so difficult to get as bulgaria

its this damn IMRO

[gilded creek]

how am i acctualy supposed to know whats happening 😭

[knotty vortex]

HOLY SHIT BULGARIA IS SO DAMN FRUSTRATING

SOMEBODY JUST JOIN MY DAMN FACTION BRO

HOLY SHIT

IM GONNA LOSE MY MIND

[crude field]

all the bosphorus countries are ASS

they made it on purpose to ragebait u since every country in the dlc takes till 1941 to do anything

[knotty vortex]

the army modifiers

genuinely make me

so mad

like what do you mean i cant train any units, or produce ANY cas until 1940

when everybody just stamps on me

[sly venture]

no red bubbles this is good

[crude field]

does the war auto white peace

or death war

[gilded creek]

Well

that was enough brain damage for today

[sly venture]

only thing i fear is red bubbles

[upper merlin]

Tried to lead the comedically incompetent mess that was the French army in the year of our lord

1870?

[gilded creek]

no and i wil probably never try

[supple halo]

✋ ⬅️ 🇬🇧

[tired sigil]

STOP

I CANT SEE IT ANYMORE

[upper merlin]

If I recall, the French were so poorly led in that war that some divisions didn’t even understand the basic concept of

Ahem, advance

Again maybe it was more moronic generals

Granted if that was Napoleon the first leading the second empire and not Napoleon the third Prussia would have been massacred

[uncut pollen]

How do i pacify Ethiopia?

[tired sigil]

you have to pacify it

[uncut pollen]

Im realy not in the mood for jokes

So please

For your own good

Stop it

[tired sigil]

Damn alright

[sly venture]

wait this is not my universe

[ripe slate]

Left side of the focus tree helps a lot I believe

[tired sigil]

what year is it?

[sly venture]

summer of 1940

[tired sigil]

lol

[uncut pollen]

Thank you mar mar

[warm falcon]

they probably declared on latvia which is fascist and probably in the axis

[sly venture]

italy is competet this is def not my universe

[gilded creek]

im slow so i got slovakia in 1940 and i was planning to attack poland until that stupid french army came luckly i had some troops stationed in bunkers on the border so they could not do shit but then the netherlands joined in and for some reason they where immortal so i put way to many troops on that and then poland was like "we had a date right" and attacked me in my back i had sutch a big crash out that my neighbours came to our house to ask if we could quit down

So im so regretting life decissions

[tired sigil]

watch them get pushed back

[sly venture]

time to push

[tired sigil]

How did you annex sweden? when i tried it never worked i could only invite them to my faction

[sly venture]

this focus

[tired sigil]

ah thanks

[fair horizon]

probs low opinion

[sly venture]

it was 90 i prob got really unlucky

[fair horizon]

smh why dont these smaller countries want to get annexed 😡

looking at you NZ

BASICALLY AUSTRALIAN TERRITORY

[acoustic grove]

i was just about to post my finland run right now

ugh sweden had to join the allies i hate this

[uncut pollen]

mhhh

[heavy vigil]

:(

[fair horizon]

anzac should be one

[blazing river]

wait lenningrad is renamed to ludendorf

[sly venture]

nice

[fair horizon]

that happens when russia gets clapped on by germany

[acoustic grove]

yeah they got eradicated by germany, i held leningrad for like 5 years before they took it

not 5 years but like 3

[frail estuary]

what mod should I make for hoi4

[gray robin]

gm

[frail estuary]

what

what is gm I mean

[gray robin]

Good morning

[frail estuary]

oh

good morning to you aswell

except it is around supper for me

but good morning to you

[ember vine]

Guys

Smash or pass

[fair horizon]

thanks i hate it

[restive sable]

easiest way is just releasing east africa with that one decision

italian east africa

something

[fallen hearth]

yo gng can someone help me understand japan

[lost nymph]

lel this is so cursed

[patent thistle]

@fair horizon happy?

dont ask why the date is late i thought it would be funny to play the US 1939

[raven lava]

Has Mengkukuo been given a focus tree yet?

[sly venture]

greater filand

aint no way

[gaunt moon]

the anti soviet pact. to deal with the... soviets?

ignore those cursed borders in the background

[patent thistle]

no

only some content that involves japan

[fair horizon]

No because paradox refuses to acknowledge its existence but HMS Hermes and IJN Hosho exist

[calm delta]

https://tenor.com/view/its-just-disgusting-daniel-keem-keemstar-it-is-nasty-its-so-gross-gif-25726169

[patent thistle]

ye i meant with it that i am building it rn

[patent thistle]

f you.

[ember vine]

Dey mad

[fair horizon]

Hes german i think

[calm delta]

Number 1 thing never piss off germans

[raven lava]

Evil

[patent thistle]

yep

[calm delta]

Hallo

[patent thistle]

germans born in the east*. germans born in the west would straight up not give a dam

what happends to their country nowdays

[patent thistle]

moin

[calm delta]

Are you east or west my friend

[jade parcel]

nothing changed

[lost nymph]

as a whole I dunno

[ember vine]

He just said

[patent thistle]

born in königswusterhausen (its near berlin)

[calm delta]

Nice

[ember vine]

Kurdanschluss

[calm delta]

I wanna visit Deutchland

[calm delta]

That is disturbing

[patent thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1199708766384427102/1245575918731395183/caption.gif

[lost nymph]

make sure to know that we say Fatherland and not motherland 😛

[calm delta]

For und fatherland

[patent thistle]

make a long way around the frankfurt Hauptbahnhof i suggest if you value not having a london experience

[ember vine]

Kurdich agreement

[patent thistle]

frankfurt is basically our ohio joke

[fair horizon]

Tbf id never leave the USA but if i did id think about visiting germany

[calm delta]

Okay ty

[calm delta]

I wanna visit countries that have very good history you know

[ember vine]

Time to build Großkurdistan

[lost nymph]

everyone says that but as an average german with a metal background I find it just about normal even when its 1 AM

[fair horizon]

America has a good history. Beat the world's strongest empire and manifested destiny

[crude field]

so don’t touch scandi balkan or belarus

[fair horizon]

We're even good enough we beat ourselves in a war

[calm delta]

Serbia has decent history tho

[patent thistle]

i went twice to frankfurt, once i got offered some drugs, the second time i almost got stabbed

[calm delta]

My nans dad is is Hungarian so wanna visit there too

[safe wing]

I wanna visit Italy and that’s about it in Europe

[calm delta]

Also my nans great grandad was German Jewish in the 2nd world war so really wanna visit Germany

[fair horizon]

My family comes from sweden

[calm delta]

Roman Empire I see hehe

[safe wing]

I wanna see Ravenna the most outside of Rome

Because of the Justinian Mosaic

[calm delta]

I would visit Iran as they have quite a lot of Intresting history but can’t for obvious reasons

[safe wing]

I wanna visit Turkey maybe

Depends on where in Turkey tbh

[calm delta]

Turkey is a very beautiful country

[safe wing]

TMI 💀

[calm delta]

Bruh wth

[safe wing]

<@&846894118219022336>

[lost nymph]

Man, I grew up in a small town. Most of the time, we were in the top 10 for drug sales, even when you include all the major German cities. Not per capita, but overall 😛
Still I only get asked once there near the Hbf and we had the party capital for techno on the south for decades . Overall in my 40y I only got asked 2twice and I go out aaaalot 3 times a week is normal stuff

[calm delta]

Well anyways I got some good news I’m gonna be learning how to drive next week

[lost nymph]

I wonder how long we do that when self driving is on the rise

[calm delta]

Well self driving is a stupid invention imp

[safe wing]

They predicted it would be dominant by now and it still isn’t

[jade parcel]

can someone name a country

[safe wing]

Tannu Tuva

[jade parcel]

Please no

[safe wing]

You said name a county

[lost nymph]

predictions are a hit or miss and you need to aks, who said it will be a thing now.

[calm delta]

USSR

[safe wing]

The people who invented it

[lost nymph]

well never ask them

[crude field]

i’m actually such a funny guy

[lost nymph]

just look at musk, total shitsow

[safe wing]

Yes I’m well aware

[calm delta]

Don’t get political just the mention of his name pisses the mods off just be careful my friend

[jade parcel]

ok i took both into consideration

[lost nymph]

yeah well we will see. No one is hostile right now

[safe wing]

Hot take I swear most of the mods on this server are unqualified

[calm delta]

Do ussr

[calm delta]

Maybe idk

But that’s very ballsy to say

[jade parcel]

actually i will spin a wheel with those two countries

[safe wing]

Hence why I said hottake

[calm delta]

Yep

[jade parcel]

ive never played soviets i will have to do that after

[calm delta]

Good luck with tannu

[lost nymph]

I visit other countries because the have interesting and very different culture to me and a totally different landscape I have never seen before. @calm delta

[jade parcel]

ty

[calm delta]

Fair enough yeah that’s another way to look at it too

[lost nymph]

or they have super nice destination I can go bike packing to

[jade parcel]

btw should i stay as a soviet ally or should i break off

[upper merlin]

Have any of you heard of the horrific , unimaginably poorly planned operation known as France’s ahem , “Genius “ plan to attack Germany directly in alsascr Lorraine in 1914? Their own schliffen plan?

[safe wing]

Fun fact Genghis khan in Medieval 2 total war is called khan Genghis Khan

[upper merlin]

Legit like 30 thousand men dead in… one day.

[safe wing]

Yes

Plan XVII

[upper merlin]

They had guys in red and blue uniforms attacking solid fort cupolas with heavy railroad guns and heavy howitzers…

[upper merlin]

Such a disaster that it’s kinda why so much of northern France fell in 1914 before the French could reinforce it

[safe wing]

France still performed better in WWI than WWII though

[upper merlin]

True. It seems their daring bravery died in ww1… probably due to disasters like that traumatizing their memory

[lethal ether]

because of their almighty shovels

[safe wing]

And overwhelming number of tanks 2 thousand ft 17s vs 20 built German a7v’s

[upper merlin]

That is some seriously impressive industrial efficiency

That… had evaporated by ww2

[safe wing]

Yup

[steep rampart]

They should’ve given de gaulle supreme command, he would’ve saved us

[lethal ether]

im pretty sure the germans could have outproduced them in ww1 but they just didnt produce tanks for some reason

[upper merlin]

Germany was…. Afflicted with artillery syndrome.

I mean to be fair heavy artillery had nearly won the war in the west in 1914 for them…

[lost nymph]

I wonder why they build the Bertha in ww2 😛

[calm delta]

Yep

I get what you mean @lost nymph

[upper merlin]

Again, Germany was probably thinking it needed more stormtroopers with heavy flamethrowers and probably would have rather had dozens more heavy infantry

And artillery

Than tanks

[heavy vigil]

yeah lets not

[lethal ether]

whatd he say

or do

[calm delta]

You don’t wanna know

[lost nymph]

There is a popular band by the almost same name of the manufacturer of that arti here.
They also have a song that is literally called Fatherland.

[heavy vigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1214243184742367242/1362956144594915499/togif-24.gif

[calm delta]

Fair enough

[steep rampart]

Would flame tanks have been more effective than cannon tanks in ww1 because of the close proximity to infantry during combat

[upper merlin]

They actually were insanely effective

A few ft17’s had the war crime cannon of death

[errant arch]

I WILL AVENGE YOU HITLER

[maiden bolt]

Soviet Union Invades Europe

[steep rampart]

Ft 17 is my favourite tank, I like the one with the chode gun

[errant remnant]

rate my best japan game yet

[steep rampart]

1/10 doesn’t have California

[errant remnant]

Just got it rn fym

https://tenor.com/view/praying-crying-downfall-sad-tears-praying-gif-7785197299162436598

[fair horizon]

USA USA USA

[fair horizon]

27 aircraft carriers now

[patent thistle]

i am already making calm down-

[fair horizon]

Casablancas too

Dont forget them