hoi4-general

[crude field]

matters more about the tank design themselves

and the support equipment

[molten forge]

alright

[crude field]

if ur in sp then the ai makes shite tanks

so just spam soft attack

[molten forge]

good ol question

gonna have to kill turkey

[lost nymph]

greece is really lame

[sly venture]

he is always watching bro

Giorgio’s kosmidis is always watching

[molten forge]

just tell me how to beat turkey gng

[lost nymph]

I am playing them atm and I am in late stage total world war 1947

[sly venture]

it’s very hard if you don’t use a tutorial

[molten forge]

alright time for tutorial cause i aint here to suffer

[sly venture]

What do you wanna do

[molten forge]

byzanthine

am even going for hellenic armed forces for once

[sly venture]

Byzantium is very fun

[molten forge]

yea but its difficult to beat turkey solo

and also when romania is also against you

[lost nymph]

duno man I haven't attacked them but I attack them in one day 😄

[molten forge]

i barely have 32 factories in 38

[lost nymph]

I have 2 modern carriers right now 😛

[molten forge]

just cause i wanted to do the cooperation with the foreign monopolies

[sly venture]

thsi is the easiest method copy it https://youtu.be/IykYiQURnjg?is=LcIjRaCX_ZwJDMw6

[molten forge]

i wacth this guy anyway so thanks

[sharp grotto]

do i need all DLC to play m0odern day mod or what?????

[molten forge]

nah

[lost nymph]

I dont think spaming tanks will work because turkey have so many hill tiles

[molten forge]

i dont plan to spam tanks i just wanna have some there as well for hard attack

[lost nymph]

I dunno man AT gun would be cheaper? if you have no factories

[sharp grotto]

but i cant play modern day bruhhhhhh

[molten forge]

they dont have tanks i want them for the future

[lost nymph]

yeah right.

Greece was hard for me because of the MP

[sharp grotto]

guys, why cant i play modern day mods????????????

[lost nymph]

this one really can really kill you/ backstab you.
After I lost support from the brits I lost half of my MIOs

[molten forge]

i mean i aint trying to do the megali convention so

[languid patrol]

best map mod?

[lost nymph]

you know whats the most funny thing in my game? Turkey send me expeditionary forces. I send them as far away as I could ;D

[ivory hull]

i really like colored terrain

[worn cliff]

1805 all over again

[gentle cloak]

Why does my mech look like truck

[gentle cloak]

That’s the template

[lost nymph]

change it on the 3d model under the unit icon and then change it to mechanized

[gentle cloak]

Oh thank you

[sudden thistle]

Vintage

Looks like this

[woeful knoll]

TFR/TNO ui

u choose if you want neon pink or neon blue

[molten forge]

turkey joined allied while after i declared war, nice

[gentle cloak]

Is my design good

[snow rain]

no

[gentle cloak]

Why

[split bane]

Indestructible Graphics

[molten forge]

is this bad template?

[snow rain]

1 - ALWAYS riveted armor
2 - use the max number of secondary guns you can put on a tank. Modern tanks are abysmal dogshit (worse than light tanks) because they can't use any. A radio that replaces a secondary gun is fine on heavy tanks
3 - always 3man turret
4 - Medium tanks are best in singleplayer. Even better if you make them SPGs
5 - fuel drums are abysmal dogshit at the one thing they do. it doesn't give nearly enough to be considered in almost all situations
6 - soft atk in singleplayer is king. Only use howitzers on frontline tanks (excpet light ones where you can use autogun)
speed and reli is up to you

[viscid mason]

Honestly even playing as germany. I always find tanks unnecessary as single player because I make too few tanks and I could have used that production on planes or inf equipment.

[snow rain]

compare the stats and cost of your modern tank with this medium SPG
it talks for itself

[split bane]

All the tanks I design are absolute trash so I don't bother with producing them

[viscid mason]

My mountaineers or inf could do the main attack anyways

[upbeat burrow]

Honestly I dislike the tank and aircraft balance in this game, it really is not true to anything real life

[viscid mason]

This, actually divisions need a rework all together

[snow rain]

the fact isn't realistic isn't a problem in a mappies game
the lack of balance is an issue though

especially planes-wise

[gentle cloak]

Which 3 man turret?

Light, medium, heavy

[snow rain]

medium is best

[upbeat burrow]

HoI4 just will never represent sub-divisional level operation well, which is fine, I'm not familiar with divisonal organization enough to know what is the most egregious lack of realism

[gentle cloak]

What about armaments?

[viscid mason]

early game or howi 1 and later 2

[snow rain]

#hoi4-general message
read the last line please

[snow rain]

CSP is bad now though

22 soft atk for 2 extra steel, 4ic
autogun 2 is 20 sa for 2.5ic

[gentle cloak]

What do you think now?

[snow rain]

I think you didn't get what I wrote about modern tanks

but that's better

use medium chassis

you get secondary guns that way

something you can't use on modern tanks, making them abysmal dogshit of a chassis

it cost A LOT, uses tons of resources, requires lots of research to unlock and does a worse job than a 1938 basic medium tank chassis

[viscid mason]

I was going to argue that they can hold a heavy howitzer which can do more soft attack than howi 2 and 2 heavy machine guns and modern turret has breakthrough but then I realized the production costs is not worth it at all.

[gentle cloak]

Is the chassis supposed to be here? I’m not sure what chassis is..

[snow rain]

the chassis is what you add modules on ...

the thing you research in tank screen

don't use modern tank chassis

[zenith charm]

bruh

[viscid mason]

Isn't autogun unlocked for 1940 anti air, which by that time you could just use a howi.

[fair bough]

Whats the best way to do luxembourg world conquest

[lost nymph]

depends, I am up next against this mega block
of Germany and they have MBTs

[snow rain]

research 1938 medium, use that

[fair bough]

What country r u?

[lost nymph]

Greece so I am dead

[fair bough]

Damn

[snow rain]

true, csp is only good enough if you don't know how to convert SPGs

[gentle cloak]

Oh so u basically want me to replace the modern tank with a medium one?

[snow rain]

doesn't matter. 1938 medium chassis is still better than 145 modern one ...

[snow rain]

yes

a medium SPG would be even better

[gentle cloak]

It’s 1948 tho, u sure?

[snow rain]

absolutely

[gentle cloak]

Ok

[snow rain]

like I said, modern tanks suck ass

[lost nymph]

still depends what you are trying to do

[gentle cloak]

I always thought modern is best for some reason

[snow rain]

no it doesn't

[lost nymph]

and what resources you have

it does

[gentle cloak]

Its name is attractive

[snow rain]

explain how

[lost nymph]

Dont have MP, you dont want companies that die because their Armor/ hardness is BS

[snow rain]

because everything modern chassis does, you can do it better with medium (soft atk maxing), or heavies (hard atk maxing) which are both 1938 and 1934 tech respectively

[snow rain]

hardness is 66% on this and clicks anything the AI can throw at it

armor will get pierced anyway because it's 1948 and you'll be running into ai AT3 anyway

[lost nymph]

Well your basic grille is better then my fully researched greece version. because You play GER

[snow rain]

Mediums or heavies have more stats than modern tanks. period

they cost less too and are mathematically better because of it

[lost nymph]

your verson even cost 10 cp less then mine and is still better in almost all stats

with same mods

[snow rain]

no mods for the template and design i sent

oh you mean modules

[lost nymph]

na

[gentle cloak]

Check my new tank template

[lost nymph]

MIO

[snow rain]

yeah that's the MIO doing it

[lost nymph]

so your see it now , take any countrie without any MIOs

[snow rain]

you should have okmo as soviets, use it and you'll be fine. You'll have 15sa less or so

[snow rain]

still the same. Medium SPGs are meta

modern tanks are ass

[snow rain]

no

[lost nymph]

I played almost all the time without MP and without MIOs

[snow rain]

#hoi4-general message

[rapid pebble]

no

just no

[lost nymph]

medium tanks are good for the start till you fight against germany with their paks everwhere

[rapid pebble]

yes

medium spgs

for life

the moment I started abusing spgs

what doctrine are you on

btw

[gentle cloak]

I don’t even have these support companies

[lost nymph]

They AI is not there yet with the medium SPG hack 😄

will see what this devison can do against my troops soon 😄

[snow rain]

Look, the facts are :

• More stats win wars
• More tanks with more stats win too
• Modern tanks cannot have secondary guns, and thus, have less stats than mediums or heavies
• Modern tanks cost more than mediums and heavies but require more resources

therefore modern tanks are ass

Then take into account that :

• AI doesn't know how to design tanks or design templates, thus, their hardness is always under 45%, making soft atk maxing a priority and hard attack basically useless
• AI will deathstack troops so you want divisions with maxed out stats
  = You want to maximize soft atk with about 400-500 base breakthrough late game to never get critted and kill the ai easily

Finally, doctrines only buff SPGs stats appart from useless org and overkill breakthrough (if brk is above enemy atk stats, it doesn't do anything)

You get the final conclusion that modern tanks are ass and that SPGs are better and that you can safely ignore AI tanks

[snow rain]

do the special projects. Medium flame tanks are a must have, the armored vehicules not so much

[knotty vortex]

i need a light tank design for a recon div

[lost nymph]

I never talked about having MBTs myself by the way

I said armor

hardness

[snow rain]

use stabilizer instead of extra ammo once you have it
adapt speed to needs
use flamthrower 2 once you have it as armament (more brk)

[knotty vortex]

you got a flamethrower one too?

im gonna download them

[snow rain]

why do you want armor
you'll either get pierced because AT3 or, if they can't pierce you, it's because they don't have at3, meaning they wouldn't pierce a mechanized tank div with 4 armor clicks ...

[knotty vortex]

sweet thank you

im trying to rush them as romania

[knotty vortex]

what should i do while i wait for radios and the armour skirts?

[snow rain]

wdym

[gentle cloak]

Ok

[knotty vortex]

well i dont have radios and armour skirts

should i just make the tanks without them

then convert from stockpiles when i have them

[snow rain]

you use first variants, if you don't have the modules, just stack extra ammo, but you need at least radio lvl 2 tbf

[knotty vortex]

and update the design

[knotty vortex]

okay ill rush that

[snow rain]

you can make converts but just use "empty" flame tanks until then

[knotty vortex]

i dont have flame tank research done just yet

[gentle cloak]

Ok. Check my inf temp too

[knotty vortex]

im making my light recons

[snow rain]

just create a design and don't produce it

[knotty vortex]

okay

ill do that

its only 1937 i guess

[feral grail]

Lore accurate India, I suppose?…

[gentle cloak]

How do you gain breakthrough points for experimental facilities

[snow rain]

first off, that's not inf

• signal and armored cars are useless
• rocket arty is awful. At least use arty instead (still not good but definitely better because of doctrines)
  use either 16-18width (defence) or 32, 35, 36, 38 width for attack. No inbetween
  if attack div, you need breakthrough. Anything with under 200 breakthrough cnanot be considered reasonably as an attack division
• you only need 44 air attack to reduce CAS damage to maximum. No need to overshoot it that much

[snow rain]

research techs with the correct ribbon
have a scientist idling in a facility
do focuses that give you some

[snow rain]

is it for inf ?

[warped skiff]

Flametanks no longer give supression?

[lost nymph]

Armored cars are only good if you go full speed behind the lines or as garrison units

[snow rain]

never did iirc ?

[warped skiff]

damn I thought they did when they first came out

maybe I'm trippin

[snow rain]

they're not even good as suppression. They're only funny because speed

[knotty vortex]

im gonna make a mech + spg div

[snow rain]

ok then just add extra ammo in empty slots

[knotty vortex]

oh really?

will that work

[snow rain]

except if you wish to convert them later, yes

and if you add them in inf divs, don't forget that you only need it to go at 4km/h then

[knotty vortex]

i mean im behind on radio tech

im gonna use it in mech divs

[lost nymph]

suppression is 2.5 , same as the cheapest tank

[knotty vortex]

with spg

[snow rain]

but 2x the cost and half the hardness

[lost nymph]

what , noo

[knotty vortex]

so this will work?

[lost nymph]

less cost

[snow rain]

never use armored cars as garisons

[snow rain]

you're likely doing something wrong with the light tank design then

[gentle cloak]

Now?

[snow rain]

read everything I wrote, especially about the combat width and adapt to the role you want it to fulfill
but yes, better

[fringe spruce]

Guys its worth to buy vic3?

i am decent at hoi4 and i saw vic3 and it seems nice

[viscid mason]

Vic3's gameplay is different than hoi4

But yes its not too bad of a game to pick up. So I recommend it, if it is on sale

[fringe spruce]

11 euros

[gentle cloak]

I’m struggling to reach 38. I can hardly reach 30.

I don’t want to either be attack only or defense only

I want to balance

So I guess 30 is fine?

Or 28

[viscid mason]

Use leg infantry and spam 36/38 width infantry or if you want a smaller div, 16/18 width

[snow rain]

65% hardness on armored car, 80 on light tank
I did forget that the tank cost were changed. My bad, but with only 1 tech it is cheaper, and that's not taking into account MIOs

[viscid mason]

The only use for armored cars imo is if you have lar but not nsb. But even then a single horsey battalion works for me.

[lost nymph]

hardness is right

[viscid mason]

Wheeled tank suspension makes it even cheaper

[lost nymph]

but no hardness, that is the thing you want

[gentle cloak]

Now?

[viscid mason]

Use the leg infantry not the mech

[viscid mason]

Also no line arty at minimum one line air arty.

[gentle cloak]

Mech is supposed to be better tho

[snow rain]

but no hardness which is the whole point of the garrison tank

[viscid mason]

Merde I didn't know that. I'll stick with my horsey battalion

[gentle cloak]

Also mb about the combat width thing, I just realized u increase it by simply adding more inf

[lost nymph]

not sure man, the change in for line arty is something eh?

[snow rain]

replace mp support with support arty and it'll be alright
provided the real stats you get on the field are the same as those (ie : you're not using outdated equipment)

[viscid mason]

Yes, but you cant spam it as its not cheap enough

[gentle cloak]

I conquered 30% of the world I can probably afford it lol

[thick vector]

Please help me how to make my infantry able to conduct a naval invasion, my ship can control the English Channel but my infantry cannot conduct a naval invasion

[gentle cloak]

Perfect?

[gentle cloak]

Just start the order and wait 50 days

[viscid mason]

Convoys?

[gentle cloak]

You can see how many days left by hovering over the order button

[thick vector]

Not really, but my infantry is not strong enough for a naval invasion of Britain.

[knotty vortex]

good production?

[gentle cloak]

You must have convoys

[thick vector]

So my ship has to patrol with the convoy?

[gentle cloak]

That’s just to protect ur naval invasion division from mines

[thick vector]

[gentle cloak]

How much control ratio do u have

[sage plover]

damn, nobody ever told me the democratic path to hungary was actually quite good

well, democratic/monarchist

and we got good borders if you ignore yugoslavia

czech and austria are puppets of mine. germany will be too in a second

[thick vector]

I don't know, I'm too lazy to open hoi4 now

[viscid mason]

You also need to set some ships to naval invasion support too

[snow rain]

I bothered doing designs without MIO nor doctrine to compare
you lose a lot of soft atk
the only real diferences are speed, reli (those two can be dealt with using 1943 medium chassis which is basically the same as modern tank but at half the cost and 15less armor
then comes in armor, which is getting pierced by at3 anyway (see the classic AI div)
and hardness which is 11.5% higher on the modern div than the medium (69% vs 80.5%), then again, it can be reduced to 3% difference using 1943 medium chassis

[thick vector]

Ok

[knotty vortex]

do mechanized inf need guns

[snow rain]

yes

it's inf with mech

[knotty vortex]

okay i didnt know if they just needed mech equipment or not

just tryna get my production lines right

[snow rain]

you can see what they require when designing your div btw

[knotty vortex]

oh yeah lol

[lost nymph]

Is there a way with the new doctrine system to test it fast? I mean cheat it?

[snow rain]

I doubt you'll be able to afford mech though

not until a few years

[knotty vortex]

will motorized do?

everybody is going communist so i joined in hopefully to get some strong allies

[snow rain]

use xp command to get army xp
pick your doctrines
then just type "mastery" and you'll gain max mastery

[snow rain]

use cav for fast budget build or inf (cheaper but slower)

[lost nymph]

-.- oky the master was the key, thanks

[knotty vortex]

problem with using inf is that my tanks dont have radios like you mentioned earlier

[gentle cloak]

well however u need 80%+

[snow rain]

mot inf is 2.5x the cost of inf vs cav which is only 1.2x

[knotty vortex]

let me make a div real quick

[snow rain]

I don't see the link between these two datas ?

[knotty vortex]

• recon light tanks

[knotty vortex]

oh i thought thats what you meant earlier

[snow rain]

you should replace that last line of SPG with 2 mot AA until you have air or can use the last line

[thick vector]

I just remembered that the ratio is 70%, and my infantry can do naval invasion but it is not strong enough to reach the British mainland. I don't know why, maybe because there are Americans guarding the coast too.

[snow rain]

I think you're refering to the radio support company

[knotty vortex]

ohh maybe lol

[knotty vortex]

okay ill do that

i hope im not doing this all too late

[snow rain]

basically you'll add another SPG on the line you unlock with doctrines but until then you'll need the AA

[knotty vortex]

i still have no idea how to get the last line

i think i messed up my entire save anyway

i really love it when everybody around me joins the SAME FACTION

AND I HAVE NO CLUE HOW TO JOIN THE COMINTERN

god ahistorical sucks and i have no idea how people enjoy it

[rough oracle]

What song is best for sleeping

[wide osprey]

cloak and dagger 🙂

[graceful citrus]

oops

[winged field]

do you like more instruments or vocals?

[graceful citrus]

any hawaii pt:II song

[lost nymph]

cafe delmar 1993 😛

[rough oracle]

I meant by the hoi4 ost yall

[lost nymph]

hahaa

[wide osprey]

naval invasion alert 10 hrs

https://youtu.be/RNL89rtFqTQ?si=gjwoarDZwpprNkTZ

just loop it

[fallen hearth]

w or l

finally the allies declared war on them

[sage plover]

i love how in this path you can core sweden, but not slovakia or croatia </3

[uncut pollen]

finaly

time to loose in greece

[sage plover]

bro what happened to bulgaria </3

[winged field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/star-wars-jxd

[sage plover]

that is some horrible border gore istg </3

[fallen hearth]

dw chat the allies finally saved me

[low dock]

Guys i need a help

Im playing as communist hungary

[fallen hearth]

germany had to declare war on lithuania for them to help me , crazy work

[uncut pollen]

im in an alliance with them and they got a bit of romania

[low dock]

And soviet union and me mobilized too much axis isn't invading us

[sage plover]

"abit" </3

[low dock]

It's 1944

How to go to war with the axis?

[winged field]

justify manually

[low dock]

What if soviets dont join?

[winged field]

they will if you call them

[unkempt zodiac]

why does mussolini look like an angry egg

[fallen hearth]

LOL

[unkempt zodiac]

its true 😭

[low dock]

Bet

Ima trust u

[unkempt zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/musediet-adam-driver-marriage-story-gif-823095553934551536

[winged field]

He should have been new Snape fr

wasted potential

[heavy vigil]

flowi in gen chat

[fallen hearth]

so allies just help me kill germany and declare war on USSR?

average allies behaviour

[uncut pollen]

Casey im gen chat

[heavy vigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1408275807205326850/1487911346703044618/attachment.gif

[lost nymph]

This here is funny , what do you think?

[viscid mason]

Now that's a glass cannon.

[lost nymph]

w20 isnt that bad eh?

[low dock]

Guys hom am I moving?

2 states is a lot right?

[languid patrol]

is this just despacito

[quaint hollow]

Any cute Femboys looking to get their Bussy anschluss'd?

[languid patrol]

son im crying

[uncut pollen]

I will pretend i never saw it and go to Therapie

[unkempt dragon]

for navy is the best grouping tactic to just merge them into one big force lol

[lost nymph]

not at all

battlegroups that are better then the enemy fleet but with less ships in it.

your positioning debuff will be massive if you have only one blob. this is one of the biggest buff or debuff

[snow rain]

why use pioneers instead of engineers ?
you gonna land ? no ? -> use engineers
are the units in your div marines ? no ? -> use engineers

[lost nymph]

because boni for line arty

[snow rain]

oh yeah, forgot that

arty maxing ahah

seems like a fn thing to come out of meta plays tbf, even though the HP is lacking

[lost nymph]

this is without any MIO

[snow rain]

if you went for mech instead of the mountaineers, it could be a good division to be honest

[lost nymph]

the equip is only max but no MIO on top of it

well I wanted the W20 😄

[lost nymph]

mech is way more expensive also,

[snow rain]

cost can be halved for 100mil xp down to 4ic

makes mech extremely cheap for theirs stats

[unkempt dragon]

also not that related but in vanilla why is it that sometimes i can just auto invade through the channel as germany, as in like the british navy is nowhere to be seen but sometimes they just camp their ships there

[heavy vigil]

about twice as much for about 3x the hardness

and more stats

[lost nymph]

you would make them cheaper and nothing else, right?

[snow rain]

yup

they don't have other meaningful stats than def and hardness anyway

[lost nymph]

stats are not that much better and they are way bigger

will post a follow up with mech

[heavy vigil]

they are a lot better, but live as you will

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-day-earth-explode-asteroid-meteor-gif-12246672

Japan if the USA if it dropped Caseoh on Japan in 1945

[fleet karma]

does anyone know a every state divided mod that still works?

[fathom shard]

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

[eternal aspen]

i wonder, how many of y'all find the RK's utterly useless other than taking less MP to garrison them

[safe wing]

Personal unions formables as the German empire are better

[tulip thorn]

well they get cores so yeah

[safe wing]

This is why

[tulip thorn]

but theres also less of them, you cant border larp as much

or well you can but its harder

slightly more annoying

[eternal aspen]

exactly my point, the rk's are bloody useless

[tulip thorn]

indeed

[eternal aspen]

sure they give you 0.5 factory output daily, but until barbarossa, they're basically the most useless thing next to inter-war light tanks

until barb, unless you cap UK, you get 3, belgium-northern france, netherlands, and bohemia moravia

so they don't really do much, plus you then have to trade with them to be able to get anything outa it

[knotty vortex]

what do i do about this

[grave sonnet]

Dictator how do you feel after the match against Bayern

[sudden thistle]

Lock in

Idk why u gave krakow

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/downfall-steiner-mein-fuhrer-steiner-gif-24733130

[eternal aspen]

historically austro-hungarian land in ww1

well, give or take

[knotty vortex]

well

[eternal aspen]

i can't remember when russia got it though

[knotty vortex]

take a look at what my army consits of

thats why i gave it up

[eternal aspen]

might i ask.. why?

[sudden thistle]

What

[knotty vortex]

because my sp units are super expensive

[sudden thistle]

I’m asking why he gave it away

Not why they want it

[eternal aspen]

ah mb

[eternal aspen]

use field artillery

and atp, use armour meme

[finite plume]

I put the VP names of cities below the icon

[sudden thistle]

Doesn’t the Cossacks get massive buffs for horses

[knotty vortex]

maybe questionmark

oh yeah they do

well ill remember that for next run

[sudden thistle]

Why not now

[knotty vortex]

well is it too late??

do i just switch my motorized for cav

[sudden thistle]

If ur not at war

[sudden thistle]

Yeah

[knotty vortex]

okay ill do that

[eternal aspen]

horse cav isn't really that good imo

unless you spec fully into it

[knotty vortex]

actually lets me pump out a ton more too

do i join the war???

im guaranteeing the french and they guarantee me so theyll join, so will the SSSR

[fathom shard]

they are hacking

[sudden thistle]

👍

[knotty vortex]

whats the strat

when i have like

6 attacking divs

the rest are holding

[pulsar saffron]

come to brazil guys

[hallow river]

Hey y'all. New here. Was considering getting this game. Before I spend moneys, I wanted to know how similar to supremacy 1914 this is. Im looking for a game like it but singleplayer

[pulsar saffron]

becoming major is ez af as brazil it turns out

just eat portugal spain and vichy france

[knotty vortex]

HOLY THESE DIVS ARE GOOD

[woeful knoll]

First time ever using spy agency lmao

[woeful knoll]

what divs

cav?

[pulsar saffron]

how the hell are usa below 70% stabiltiy

[woeful knoll]

4 years of propaganda mission + a little bit of console magic

[pulsar saffron]

ah now

im trying reallt hard to coup mexico

[winged field]

Combat is way more fast paced.

[pulsar saffron]

theyre at 70.5%

i cant lower stability any more so i have to boost ideology

but my stupid chud agents keep getting caught

[winged field]

I only played supremacy for like few hours cuz its just meh game but if you enjoyed it you will love hoi 4

[pulsar saffron]

and my other two are collabing usa

[woeful knoll]

bro js invade them

your brazil

[pulsar saffron]

theyd get guaranteed

im not ready for war with allies yet

i dont plan on staying in the axis

i sacrificied getting south america early for getting port+spain+vichy

[hallow river]

Think I'ma go on ahead and nab it. Sounds like what I'm looking for.

[pulsar saffron]

and ultimately a much stronger position

i have fourth largest navy

[warm falcon]

we just played better😂

[woeful knoll]

how do i puppet them

[pulsar saffron]

a coup?

you cant

[woeful knoll]

bro

[pulsar saffron]

they might not even join your faction

unless you have a justification lined up to enter the war

la resistance coups are kinda bad

i wish they were better

like, i ended up in a kind of cold war situation between comintern and allies after ww2, and i went on a campaign to flip all the neutrals communist, and it took me like a year per country

four years and all i had to show for it were communist saudi arabia, iraq, kurdistan, and turkey

this was with six operatives asw

[knotty vortex]

well im quite happy with this

[young lake]

IM NEVER PLAYING UNHISTORICAL AGAINNN 😭

ALL I WANTED WAS GREECEEEE

💔

[woeful knoll]

super faction?

[young lake]

Czech entente

Idk why Im even at war with the Uk

[warm falcon]

thats the axis i have to deal with it

[eternal aspen]

canada sucks omg

tryna file my tax return, but i can't until i make an acc with the cra, and guess what i need for that

[woeful knoll]

Come to usa

canada is usa little brother

[pulsar saffron]

what are the best nonaligned minors to eat

[warped skiff]

This should be an encirclement

[eternal aspen]

USA is worse, i have to file them, the government doesn't do them

[pulsar saffron]

france wasnt enough

[woeful knoll]

Canada's new name: Canadian Raj

[warped skiff]

Since Sahara is inpassible

[eternal aspen]

not really

[woeful knoll]

it is

[warm falcon]

thats the axis power i have to deal with

[eternal aspen]

it's encircled, but they can still technically recieve supply

[warped skiff]

hmm why no penalty then?

[warped skiff]

ooohhhh

[young lake]

😭

Who were you playing as

[eternal aspen]

but statistically everything else is better in america rather than canada, though we do have better healthcare

[warm falcon]

japan

[young lake]

Ok well like IM TURKEY 😭

I have no manpower

[woeful knoll]

what astram said but also headcanon they can still retreat into the sahara

[young lake]

Or industry

[warm falcon]

ik, its hard

you need good relationships with france and cant start a war before like mid 1940

[knotty vortex]

why can my tanks not breakthrough now

oh maybe supply

[young lake]

Its lwk not even that bad icl

xd

[eternal aspen]

check the modifiers in combat

[young lake]

Like I mean my allies can MOSTLY hold all fronts

[eternal aspen]

if they have too much armour for you, it'll say, if not, then it'll show what the issue is

[warm falcon]

the british are the only real pain in the ass you have with turkey

[young lake]

America is at war with the uk soo

Its all W's fr

[warm falcon]

ye but thats take years till the us can land in the uk

[warm falcon]

the good part is you can core all parts of the uk you take till algeria or so

[young lake]

Fr

I can just get my Iraq puppet to push for me

And take the Suez

[warm falcon]

but you need saudi-arabia to core palestine and jordan xD

[young lake]

Also Spain is lwk POPPING OFF

Idk how

[warm falcon]

i wouldnt have called my puppets in the war, its just an extra front you might have to defend

[young lake]

They took Gibraltar and are pushing into southern France

[young lake]

Uk declared on them first

Thats how I was dragged in

[warm falcon]

ah ye

the typical "we declare war on iraq and iran cuz of oil" uk-move

[young lake]

After the uk declared I lwk just did the focus to puppet stuff

[fallen hearth]

holy this made me tired

[languid patrol]

the longer i look the worse it gets

[fallen hearth]

what is bad there

lmao

no border gore

[warm falcon]

the best part there is no france

[languid patrol]

😐

[fallen hearth]

lowkey gng

just austria hungary

on russia

and german empire

with british

[fallen hearth]

ah

well it happens

OH LOL

I JUST REALISE JAPAN

r we deadass

[woeful knoll]

mod?

[fallen hearth]

56

[woeful knoll]

Lose a war to monaco and see what happens lol

[fallen hearth]

cant my allies would bomb them

this is fun tho

[woeful knoll]

woah

how form un?

[gritty tundra]

why are your tabs colored

[lethal ether]

they probably have like 1 division and they wont go on the offensive probably

[fallen hearth]

dunno

[fallen hearth]

they didnt even declared war

they just said "oh give me your stuff and we wont attack you"

all bark no bite

[eternal aspen]

mod

[steel spear]

Is it worth nuking a country, when debuffs does it give to the enemy?

[knotty vortex]

bro

somebody please explain frontlines

because WHAT

is this

WHERE ARE MY TROOPS MAN

[woeful knoll]

field marshal

[knotty vortex]

but i want my 8 divs seperate

in my first army

as theyre my attacking divs

that also didnt owkr

[icy lion]

last time i played as ussr i couldnt field marshall at first bc not at war, but im afraid to do it after bc itll mess the whole thing up so i just left it with gerneral orders and thats messy

[warm falcon]

current losses xD

[stark wedge]

is that walter white?

[tulip thorn]

Yes

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/komik-gif-14211273463614358620

[knotty vortex]

who the hell invited serbia man

genuinely ruined my entire run

[ripe slate]

Because of our April fools joke ||they have a nuke||

[fallen hearth]

WHAT

[half onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/poland-gif-27439277

[knotty vortex]

lmao the british empire are not saving me

[half onyx]

ofcourse not

when does the british AI ever do anything useful

[knotty vortex]

i genuinely hate all AI

genuinely took me forever to gain that land

[half onyx]

true

[knotty vortex]

i give up

im going to watch the boys season 5

[half onyx]

Valid option

[knotty vortex]

tomorrow

idk

ill probably just target the soviets

[half onyx]

its not unsavable

[mighty rampart]

ngl I dont play hoi4 that much cuz i dont have docs but do you guys think I should buy them or some cuz I have like $40 to blow

[knotty vortex]

it’s just

painful

me and my measly 200 hours vs the soviet union

[ripe slate]

They constantly go on sale and they arent right now so you should wait

Also the DLCs arent that necessary

[junior coral]

If I did a paradrop on Rome, Venice, Naples, Genoa, and Milan, would it trigger the Italian civil war?

[ripe slate]

The problem is that theres a delay, so your paratroopers might be dead before the monthly check runs

[junior coral]

Is it worth trying anyway? I am playing as Monarchist Germany and we have been at a stalemate for over a year with Italy and Yugoslavia

[heavy vigil]

peace or civil war

what do i do chat

[ripe slate]

If you dont have ironman on you could savescum and try it out a few different dates

I think it checks every 20 days so if you paradrop successfully right before that check itll be much easier

[tulip thorn]

Civil war

[heavy vigil]

ohh peace lets you go fascist

i never knew

[heavy vigil]

well

paraguay is weird right

so civil war is really good for like early rush gameplay

while the other side isnt

and idk if i wanna play a long game

so im inclined not to civil war

[junior coral]

@ripe slate my gambit didn't work 🙁

[ripe slate]

Sending air support

[junior coral]

Any other way to break the stalemate? This is the Frontline

[ripe slate]

Fix your supply, push Yugoslavia, then naval invade Italy from Yugoslavia

[eternal aspen]

fix supply? you mean push further into enemy soil to use their supply network?

[ripe slate]

Sometimes thats the solution but not here, he's low on equipment

[junior coral]

Prob, this is how much guns I need for reinforcement

But I can't speed up production

[ripe slate]

Is that 6 factories on guns?

Put some production lines down to 1 factory or delete them and go to 15 if so Id say

Then it should take about a year to fix the situation, assuming youre not taking attrition

Thatd also line up with how fast youre fixing your support equipment deficit

[junior coral]

Also, any way I could improve my infantry divisions?

[ripe slate]

Not so bad

[urban phoenix]

I usually go for 30 width

[ripe slate]

Thats probably nicer for offensives but its not like that template is actively wasting equipment on...

idk, support....radio..I think isnt so good for infantry for example

[junior coral]

Im not using radio?

[ripe slate]

Oh yeh just saying that template isnt so bad

[heavy vigil]

marijn what do you think about paraguay

[vocal bolt]

whats the best subdoctrine for cavarly

if I dont have ncns

[ripe slate]

There are few countries I know less about

[vocal bolt]

question

I just got no step back so I can make my own tanks now

[ripe slate]

All I know is the chaco war, which tbf I assume 99% dont know of

[vocal bolt]

is heavy aa tank a good play

also how good are railway guns

[junior coral]

Is this infantry division worth trying?

[urban phoenix]

i think maybe some motor inf instead of the last row, im quite new so i wouldnt 100% know

[vocal bolt]

you have the doctrine right

[sudden thistle]

no not at all

[urban phoenix]

i seem to be wrong

[junior coral]

What doctrine?

[vocal bolt]

the combat widht thing

reduced width for infantry

[heavy vigil]

i was wondering why my command power was so low

[junior coral]

<@&916727971820240976> Starting a new game as Communist China for the first time, any tips?

[surreal urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedruner-gif-20263880

[half onyx]

I would say get a lot of men into the field. Your enemies wont fully man the front lines. At least your early enemies.

[heavy vigil]

they will since the update

[surreal urchin]

i've made alot of mess inhere , sent all my troops to fight in britain to get rid of the allies

and its been 2 years

since i made the invasion

and lost nearly 1.5 mil

[woeful knoll]

use the raid border and the moment it finishes do your border war, it erases all ur enemys org, then after u get shanxi justify and take out hebei charar, then just hold bejing until you can push, cap mongol military, then push through manchuria

[surreal urchin]

and didnt achive anything

just fighting and losing weapons

imagine losing the invasion

and killing all my troops

im gonna throw myself into the channel

[sudden thistle]

why did u send every div

none have full supply

or strength

[surreal urchin]

because they're fighting 24/7

[sudden thistle]

and how did it take u 2 years

trench warfare

[heavy vigil]

hi chris

im playing paraguay

[gritty tundra]

is it a waste if i research electronic engineering since i only have 2 research slots?

[sudden thistle]

sorry for ur loss

[surreal urchin]

well , they got a massive troops in thier main land

AND THEY ARE SO ANNOYING

I WAS CLOSE FROM LONDON

[half onyx]

I thought they still dont have enough troops?

[surreal urchin]

BUT EVERY TIME I DEFEAT A DEVISION

THEY JUST REPLACE IT WITH ANOTHER

until i had enough and for the first time i touched the grass

i mean see this

[sudden thistle]

RELEASE MEEE

[surreal urchin]

am i blind or i cant see the picture

[sudden thistle]

no tanks or anything?

[sudden thistle]

i dont think its loading

[surreal urchin]

im bleeding weapons so no

[sudden thistle]

u need to click and push first

if u get stalled ur cooked

[surreal urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/heartattack-gif-4798078

every singe factory i have

produce weapons and artillery for my devisions

i can build a perfect navy

a perfect airforce

but CANT BUILD A SINGLE TEMPLATE

i learned navy before template designing

[heavy vigil]

funny country

[frank estuary]

Does anyone know some funny/dumb mods on the same level as Fembavaria?

[pastel urchin]

nice

[heavy vigil]

i shouldve done this earlier but new paraguay snake strat @sudden thistle @coral gorge

[sudden thistle]

esports

[surreal urchin]

absolute cenima

[dire rapids]

How should I go about helping my ally stabilize their last region? I gave China the island of Madeira and their resistance is severely hampering them.

[surreal urchin]

multiplayer?

[dire rapids]

Single player

[vital cove]

peak

Slovakia Austria Hungary formed by 1937

[sudden thistle]

this may slightly hamper the german war effort

[junior coral]

What should I do?

[heavy vigil]

it doesnt work they dont have org

but its ok

[surreal urchin]

why?

supply hubs?

[heavy vigil]

war progress

[heavy vigil]

no like they dont have org

[surreal urchin]

oh

the template

[heavy vigil]

yes

[surreal urchin]

so why are you making them?

[heavy vigil]

1 org would be fine

its just 0

i forgot

[eternal aspen]

pretty good

[heavy vigil]

ohh it can work

you just need arty doctrine 1

[oak pebble]

mothers life if this was one of my games hitler would spawn 40 heavy tanks out of his ass and take moscow in a week

[surreal urchin]

YOOOOOOO SEE THIS

IVE DESTROYED BRITAIN'S AIRFORCE

[heavy vigil]

i wanna do this

[cedar kite]

you need to fight the allies basically....

[sudden thistle]

i have killed like 60 of their tanks divs

they only have 30 left

[abstract dock]

ofc ur here

https://tenor.com/view/67-6767-676767-cat67-cat-gif-18345003009543756801

[sudden thistle]

well its my server tag

[surreal urchin]

its ggs :)

[abstract dock]

lock in

pull back behind rivers and moutains

its not over till its over

[surreal urchin]

i've sent my main forces

[heavy vigil]

fun

[surreal urchin]

to push the british

in thier main land

[heavy vigil]

why

[abstract dock]

very tuff

[surreal urchin]

now i got a 20 devision in my main land

sent them from the soviet boarders to the invasion to deal with it

[cedar kite]

you need dutch, french, and british guianas

[surreal urchin]

and then the soviets decleared war

im cooked

[subtle wharf]

Why do enemies I encircle suffer no Attrition

[heavy vigil]

im not on hist anyway

[subtle wharf]

This game is a load of BS

[winter fulcrum]

ur cooked bro

[winter fulcrum]

ur js bad (im not being serious, this is a joke)

[surreal urchin]

i've got back 2 years to fix my mistakes

[winter fulcrum]

u should hurry if u wanna beat the soviets

[subtle wharf]

So my encircled units suffer from attrition yet I have air supply and air superiority yet the enemy units I have encircled have zero attrition

Sure

[surreal urchin]

yeah i've eaten half of them in a month

[winter fulcrum]

imo i always beat the soviets before attempting to beat the british

[surreal urchin]

how can i fix this?

[winter fulcrum]

i dont think u can

[surreal urchin]

ooh

[high vector]

that's just the consequences of going with the historical economy path

[surreal urchin]

so i cant continue my economy focus tree?

[winter fulcrum]

u can i think

[high vector]

the historical economy is total war economy so you have that effect as long as you're at war

[surreal urchin]

hmmm

[high vector]

maybe the tree can help reduce it

idk

[surreal urchin]

so after i finish my war i'm going to be free

right?

[high vector]

maybe?

[heavy vigil]

air supply is like nothing

[surreal urchin]

yea lets see

[heavy vigil]

also your enemy probably has capital supply

[high vector]

i always play the anti-fascist path on germany with the civilian economy

[surreal urchin]

boom

[high vector]

so idrk

[winter fulcrum]

nice

[heavy vigil]

its not even that bad

its just bad for your civs

just make mils

[high vector]

yeah it's not big deal until the later years

[surreal urchin]

always get rid of the allies first , to forget about your navy

[high vector]

if you go multiple years at war it stacks up

[surreal urchin]

and to be safe from normandy and the naval invasions

[high vector]

W

[heavy vigil]

even then its not

your production is like unharmed

[surreal urchin]

why there isnt a navy button?

[lethal ether]

you need a dlc i forgot which

[surreal urchin]

i mean i've saw a content creators finishing the war and taking the navy from the country they defeated

[high vector]

huh

[lethal ether]

guys how well does sheeps simulate actual multiplayer?

[surreal urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-cry-gif-17632213676507207144

[high vector]

lol yeah just puppet the UK

so their navy does your bidding

best you can do

[surreal urchin]

yea, good idea

[lethal ether]

anyone pls

[surreal urchin]

it gives you more iq irl😂

[high vector]

PRO TIP: always play with player-led peace conferences

unless ur doing ironman or wtv

[high vector]

no clue i dont play MP, but probably not super well cuz people play MP in crazy ways

i guess they do use multiplayer division templates

so it's pretty bad

lmao

[surreal urchin]

@high vectoryea nothing happened

the economy is still the same

[sudden thistle]

Pretty good

[high vector]

yeah i'm watching a video on sheeps AI mod, i wouldn't play it

too hard LMAO

[sudden thistle]

Lots of people say that

[surreal urchin]

who will tell him 😂

[grizzled zenith]

How does hoi4 decide who's puppet Italy becomes when the civil war starts?

[high vector]

watching multiplayer videos made me realize i'm not a true HOI4 player

[azure quartz]

Really niche situation, but do you guys think that China, PRC, or any Warlord that unites China should be able to get cores on Burma in the extremely rare situation Yunnan manages to core it?

[lethal ether]

i litteraly battleplanned everything

[supple halo]

I love battle planning. I don’t care what anyone says.

[misty fossil]

Battleplanning with 36w inf

[languid sorrel]

After the soviets capitulate, since you already capitulated the allies you will have enough recourses to do the autarky focus

if not you can just change your occupation law to forced labour

[languid sorrel]

this focus removes the debuffs and adds buffs instead

[surreal urchin]

hmm

[supple halo]

But then you lose the ability to steal people’s gold which is funny.

🥺

[surreal urchin]

wait i'll check

[woeful knoll]

Most competent soviet general:

[languid sorrel]

Yeah you only do that at war when the mefo bills are way too high

[supple halo]

I know.

[languid sorrel]

@surreal urchin did you do the reduce price control focus

[supple halo]

But I like gold.

[surreal urchin]

wdym?

[languid sorrel]

theres a focus on the economy tree

it gives you decisions

[supple halo]

Soviet generals trying to retake a single house in Stalingrad:

[languid sorrel]

to make consumer goods go down

[surreal urchin]

yea yea , i've started the game in 39

its already made

[languid sorrel]

Ohh

oh damn so thats why its so bad

[supple halo]

39 start date is illegal.

[surreal urchin]

i cant start the game in 36 because of my iq

for some reasons

every time i start in 36

it ends up losing 400K in poland

dont ask me why or how

i dont make any custom templates

just infantry

i hate it as you all

but somehow im bad at it

[fair horizon]

What

You can battleplan poland

[surreal urchin]

bro

im not dump

i make everything

train infantry devisions

make airplanes and make close air support

if i compared my losses for the ready start and the army i made myself

i lose 40K in poland only when starting in 39

but 400K when starting in 36

and bearly pushing them

[fair horizon]

Dont even need all that

Just the focus for invading poland

Crush danzig quick and then push

[lethal ether]

how many and what divisions are u using

[lost dawn]

I am slowly making my way towards that most glorious of restorations...

[surreal urchin]

just infantry

infantry devisions

70 of them are enough

like the 39 start

[lost dawn]

For what nation?

[surreal urchin]

for poland

[lost dawn]

Uhm. I'd say 70 in 1939 might be a little low... but that depends on the unit template.

[surreal urchin]

just default

9 infantry

artillery support

and engineering company

thats it

super simple

and sometimes i use motorized infantry with the regular

[safe wing]

What about support aa

[surreal urchin]

what support?

[safe wing]

Support anti air

Which is mandatory

[surreal urchin]

ooh

[fair horizon]

Nuh uh

[surreal urchin]

nah i dont use it (as 39)

default

i just use my airplanes

to get rid of the enemy airplanes

[safe wing]

Fair I suppose

[fair horizon]

Does germany start at war with poland in 39?

[lethal ether]

support aa doesnt make the difference between losing and winning against poland

[safe wing]

They don’t last time I checked

[cunning burrow]

meta btw

[safe wing]

Ik I thought he meant in general

[woeful knoll]

soviet surrender limit is way to high bro

why wont they capitulate

[cunning burrow]

baku tblisi and collabs

[safe wing]

Because Stalin said so I guess

[cunning burrow]

conceding to germany is low test

2 front is tuff

[woeful knoll]

im a russian goverment in exile

why would i not surrender danzig

if i was true poland, yeah

[cunning burrow]

its high test

[woeful knoll]

ur a estrogenmaxxing jester lil bro

im a based polish dad

[cunning burrow]

ur clav and im asu

[undone dove]

Fighting Germany as cav only France is pain in my booty

[cunning burrow]

bruh

[undone dove]

Lmao

L

[woeful knoll]

you cant say f0id, little man.

[undone dove]

I like cav
Funny

[woeful knoll]

only high test HTN+ can say it

[cunning burrow]

im true adam

choad

[dire rapids]

W naval invasion?

[cunning burrow]

wtf happened in douglas

[vivid juniper]

Horthy monarchy path is a underated path

[fair horizon]

IS THAT JOHN PORK I SEE?

[cunning burrow]

yes

yungpork22

[fair horizon]

Based

[cunning burrow]

i know

[surreal urchin]

what the hell

[surreal urchin]

if you know , the soviets give germany more attention and put most of thier units on germany's boarders and forgets about romania

or with other means

it just put a small number of devisions

enough to make a combat

but not enough to win it

thats a bug i think

romanian boarders:

german boarders:

[heavy vigil]

hmm

[heavy vigil]

vendrip i want to play hoi4 lowkey but i highkey dont know what to play help

i just wanna make like missiles :(

[uncut pollen]

My pc

Is it enough to run hoi 4?

[eternal aspen]

MMB WORKS :D

i played a game of WT now i can actually pan the hoi4 map without spending a year holding arrow keys

[worn cliff]

genuinely how do i beat germany as russia

[eternal aspen]

pray

and rush your military redevelopment branch

[worn cliff]

how

[keen pebble]

what happens if i delete my entire army before a civil war as the soviet union

[eternal aspen]

what's the infantry template?

[worn cliff]

70 divisions on one tile

[eternal aspen]

no side gets either

but NKVD stays

[keen pebble]

is this optinmal?

[worn cliff]

i buffed them and gave them 200 mils

and 200 civs

[eternal aspen]

very

[keen pebble]

also whats kvd

[high vector]

if you want an easy HOI4 experience where you don't have to worry about naval stuff, just play the historical soviet path

the USSR is basically the best "sandbox" country to just play around with whatever tech you want

[vital cove]

play Brazil

[eternal aspen]

NKVD is the soviet version of the SS or CIA, they are just the military police with heavy prejeduce

[heavy vigil]

i want to make missiles

[eternal aspen]

well that could be why

[keen pebble]

ohh i see so i should delete my army before the civil?

[eternal aspen]

they've got close to 400 mils by this point

[heavy vigil]

viable but the research is so badd

[eternal aspen]

oh 100%, the only time you don't is the german civil war

[high vector]

you could do the US but then you have to worry about actual navy stuff

[eternal aspen]

and that's bc you need the tanks

[heavy vigil]

navy is not that hard

[eternal aspen]

navy is super easy

[heavy vigil]

but playing the US without dying of boredom is

[keen pebble]

its too bad im gonna have to build up like 70 divisions again tho lol

[eternal aspen]

nah, it's not that hard

[high vector]

yeah that's the problem with missile tech, by the time you're getting missiles the game is basically over

[eternal aspen]

you get partisans and such

[twin escarp]

navy is hard

[eternal aspen]

nuclear submarines...

[heavy vigil]

i dont play hist