hoi4-general

[vocal bolt]

they just send all their troops to western canada border when you are at war with them

[quasi osprey]

sometimes AI just pumps out so much of that awful div that its not even that easy to kill

[grave phoenix]

send me the template stats of it and also combat stat

are u playing pure vanilla?

[vocal bolt]

leaving the entire east coast empty

[clever shuttle]

all dlcs yes

[vocal bolt]

I have a question which dlc unlocks the new doctrines

[grave phoenix]

its always easy to kill, a lot of a shit division dont make it harder to kill

[clever shuttle]

i cant im on ironman

[vocal bolt]

I dont have the horse doctrine or anything else etc

[grave phoenix]

u can send combat stats

[clever shuttle]

how

[grave phoenix]

make a screen of the combat screen when their division attacks you

[clever shuttle]

ok

[grave phoenix]

the green and red bubbles

u click on them

[patent thistle]

i swear at this point its getting stupid by how often people get hacked

[quasi osprey]

is 80 light cruisers enough to combat the enemy 84 ones if the enemy has to spread its navy thin

[uncut pollen]

Do not double ping please

[vocal bolt]

is this any good

I removed engi

[patent thistle]

.

[vocal bolt]

didnt see the other one my bad dingus

[uncut pollen]

There are messages in between

[grave phoenix]

yeah those stats are shit from both sides

[uncut pollen]

Do you need glasses?

Are you blind?

[quasi osprey]

why is USA putting a lot of its navy on like on seasone💀

[clever shuttle]

the 16 width pure infantry will only deal 20% damage against those high armored units they stand no chance

[pallid slate]

wth is that width right?

[grave phoenix]

hover over your stats and show me your combat modifiers

[clever shuttle]

wdym

[grave phoenix]

its not the division templates fault

[terse skiff]

remove the line art

[grave phoenix]

hover over your stats from the combat, so I can see the combat modifiers

[clever shuttle]

im attacking there i dont care just want to make them bleed out

[grave phoenix]

and make a screen of it

[quasi osprey]

I put almost all my navy there and I am just barely winning against the american navy

[clever shuttle]

here is france one for example

[grave phoenix]

u are blaming division templates and I can tell you that to 100% its not the templates fault but yours

[grave phoenix]

not this one

hover over the stats that u see

like the 200/300

[clever shuttle]

im not blaming anything?

[grave phoenix]

and show the green and red modifiers from you

[clever shuttle]

bro wdym

[grave phoenix]

you are saying that they are shit and u need mechs which is untrue

[pallid slate]

that looks very similar my ursal gameplay which year is that

[vocal bolt]

doctrine

[clever shuttle]

yes

[vocal bolt]

makes arty have way less widht

actully viable

it was like 35 widht pre doctrine

[pallid slate]

that's pretty op

[quasi osprey]

what exactly is similar

[grave phoenix]

in the screenshot you sent, you see the stats from your division, hover of those stats and show me the combat modifiers

[vocal bolt]

counterpoint: 580 soft attack

[terse skiff]

line art still sucks

[pallid slate]

my borders and I'm fighting the us too, the difference is that I destroyed their navy lol

[terse skiff]

low org low hp low buffs

[vocal bolt]

its cool

[terse skiff]

the only thing high about art is their terrain debuffs

[vocal bolt]

therefore good

I just like line arty

[terse skiff]

just build spgs if you want artillery

[vocal bolt]

boo hoo

holy meta slave

[quasi osprey]

its 1946 and well my navy is just enough to keep the american one at bay if the brits show up I am screwed

[vocal bolt]

leave me and my line arty alon

[pallid slate]

you should focus on build navy and air force

[grave phoenix]

hover over it like this that it shows those green modifiers or red ones

[pallid slate]

research jets and heavy ship 1944

the AI has bad and outdated templates

[quasi osprey]

I have 1.4 k fighters and trying to build navy but its a slow process I have 99 naval dockyards

[clever shuttle]

how you do that bro

[clever shuttle]

why tf ur units 700 000 soft attack

[grave phoenix]

by hovering with your mouse over your combat stats, like soft attack or defense or whatever

[grave phoenix]

its from a bug abuse with switzerland

[clever shuttle]

nice ig

[pallid slate]

99 dockyards is a lot the main problem is having the resources to use them

[quasi osprey]

yeah thats a big problem mainly steel I am trading away huge amounts of civs to just get even

[pallid slate]

yeah it's brutal, and also try to get nukes and Collab government you can reduce their surrender limit to like 50%

[quasi osprey]

the only good thing is that I have enough oil to keep my airforce and navy working

[hidden hill]

1

[quasi osprey]

2

[pallid slate]

Venezuela and Curacao doing the heavy lifting

[pallid slate]

3

[quasi osprey]

4

[pallid slate]

5

[quasi osprey]

yeah mainly but also argentina

[quasi osprey]

actually the fact that I am trading away lots of my civs isnt that devastating most of my core land is 100% filled

but I think my allies dont have enough steel to keep all of my mills working I am using about 20% of my mills rn💀

[pallid slate]

yeah at this point in my play I didn't even had enough coal to expand my industry

[quasi osprey]

me too I am buying hundreds of coal thats not even nearly enough

[pallid slate]

you are fighting the us alone ?

like they are allied?

[quasi osprey]

no its cold war allies vs comitern

[pallid slate]

💀💀💀 you ll probably get to the 50s

[vocal bolt]

which dlc adds the extra doctrines

[quasi osprey]

wdym by that

[pallid slate]

it's gonna be hard to build a navy and capitulate the allies

and they spam tons of divisions in the late game

[quasi osprey]

yeah the only really good thing is even if all my allies capitulate I will only have to guard a single tile in panama

[pulsar saffron]

steal navy

rn i have 200+ ships as communist china and 6 dockyards

japan+spain+denmark

[quasi osprey]

I sadly dont have that dlc otherwise I would have been a dominant naval power

[pulsar saffron]

wdym

is take navy a dlc feature

[quasi osprey]

in peace conferences yeah along with taking resource rights and industry

[pulsar saffron]

huh

[pallid slate]

by blood alone

[pulsar saffron]

you can still do it by annexing a puppet

thats how i got japans

[quasi osprey]

I think but its not easy

[pulsar saffron]

tell me about it

i had to constantly fight japan for autonomy

didnt help that i was trading steel from them

[thorn zodiac]

Hey guys, I'm a beginner and I'm not playing so well yet I'm having fun, could someone tell me which country is good for a beginner player.
(Not a big country)

[pulsar saffron]

and then bloody madagascar raised autonomy level because ethiopia gave them a spirit

[vocal bolt]

what dlc is resource rights etc

[pallid slate]

by blood alone too

[vocal bolt]

pluh

which dlc is extra doctrines

[pallid slate]

the peace conferences were reworked in 1.12

[pulsar saffron]

probably tutorial italy first. ik u said not a big country but germany is a good beginner. otherwise take your pick of the minors

i personally honed a lot of my current skill with brazil

[pallid slate]

special forces? arms against tiranny

[pulsar saffron]

and communist china

[vocal bolt]

no not those

normal doctrine

I dont have individual exellence etc

[thorn zodiac]

Thanks random 👍

[terse skiff]

ncns

[pallid slate]

the last one I think

[pulsar saffron]

the mastery thing?

[vocal bolt]

holy bazingas cant have shit

[vocal bolt]

thats free

the rework is free

but you only get some of the doctrines

I want the horse one

[pallid slate]

another level of greedy

[terse skiff]

sadly the best subdoctrine for inf, art, and operations are hidden behind a paywall

[clever shuttle]

why tf does ethiopia always come back bro i killed them already

[vocal bolt]

I mean free ones are alr

I just want a cavarly doctrine thats all

[heavy vigil]

operations?

[vocal bolt]

there is like 0 free buffs

btw first dlc I should get is no step back right ?

am not a big tank person

[terse skiff]

Yeah grand assault is ncns exclusive

[vocal bolt]

no what

[heavy vigil]

its not afaik

[vocal bolt]

I use grand assault every run

I only have till man the guns

[terse skiff]

It's not?

Oh I misremembered

[heavy vigil]

i know IE is

i know that a lot of stuff is locked

[vocal bolt]

also heli doctrine

[heavy vigil]

but you get assault inf, grand assault

[heavy vigil]

kinda bad

[terse skiff]

Yeah IE and the SPG one is too

[vocal bolt]

airborne cavarly or whaever its called

[heavy vigil]

howi doctrine tho

sucks not to have

[vocal bolt]

I want the horse doctrine mainly

thats the one am sad about not having

[heavy vigil]

do you get armored cav its kinda good in sp

actually nvm it sucks without dlc

[vocal bolt]

you can play other stuff without ncns bc you still get a decent doctrine for everything

[heavy vigil]

no officer corps clicks

[heavy vigil]

ive never used it because its bad

but maybe i should

[terse skiff]

Helis are great because heli brigade + lvl4 logi means your 36w SPG division with 12 support companies is like 2.6 supply

[heavy vigil]

every time i look at it my brain goes 'noo im giving up so many stats'

[vocal bolt]

I like cavarly but basegame has like 0 buffs for it

[terse skiff]

yes tank designer and army spirits change the game

how tf did these scam accounts show up again in 15 mins

[vocal bolt]

botted

[vocal bolt]

yeah but I really jsut dont use tanks alot

but ok

[terse skiff]

should we have like a you can only post after an hour of joining server rule

[vocal bolt]

they will wait

[terse skiff]

you always start from somewhere

but nsb with its tank designer really began the current powercreep trend

[heavy vigil]

its ok

[terse skiff]

and at least there is freedom with the tank designer unlike the air designer which is just recite these templates if you want to win

[heavy vigil]

i like people having freedom

big fan

just need to be faster at getting them

[terse skiff]

i still get yelled at for producing spgs with only a howitzer and nothing else lmao

like how else am i pumping out 120 36w divisions before barb

[void bear]

Hi, anyone wanna play Hoi4 with mods? Like every state independent at game start.

[pallid slate]

that seems cool

you will play now?

[heavy vigil]

its okay i respect you

i see the vision

[terse skiff]

it's all worth it in the end

don't need easy maintenance if your tank is already dirt cheap

[mighty zephyr]

"empire of brazil and portugal"
portugal, being not even in the empire

[heavy vigil]

well yeah the issue is youre missing out on crit

which is the point of tanks

but i see the damage per IC vision

[woeful berry]

anyone wanna play multiplayer tfr

[terse skiff]

also i just want to point out that using zhukov was a mistake

[heavy vigil]

zhukov 💔

[terse skiff]

should have used a lvl1 general instead to get higher stats

[heavy vigil]

im not allowed to say mean words here

you should (politely and lovingly) reconsider your actions henceforth

[terse skiff]

go talk to my lv4 8 atk and lvl 5 10 atk generals

zhukov what

[heavy vigil]

hes just badd

[terse skiff]

if he's so good at saving the red army why won't he save his hairline?

[heavy vigil]

he was rlly good at khalkin goi

so i respect him for that

[terse skiff]

sadly hoi4 code makes a random lvl1 general fight during the japanese provocation

pdx code 🤣

[heavy vigil]

well yeah thats who id wanna grind, based

[terse skiff]

wait

if i purge all generals until only zhukov is left, that means zhukov will fight in japanese border conflict

that's how you play historical baby

[safe wing]

That one is lake Khasan from 1938

[terse skiff]

yeah

[safe wing]

Zhukov wasn’t there

[terse skiff]

i used to have a mod that also has khalkin gol but i forgot which one

it does save you some mil xp but with faction quests even ussr is not lacking in mil xp

[safe wing]

Blyukher was leading the battle intrestingly enough

[terse skiff]

wasn't that a big reason why he was purged? lake khasan showed that red army was criminally underprepared in the far east

[safe wing]

Even though hoi4 has him purged with tuchevsky and not in 1938 like irl

[safe wing]

Probably

[pulsar saffron]

oh no

gabon you idiot

african union was meant to be my buffer faction that anyone i went to war with would join

instead of the allies

[safe wing]

Really has a me against the world complex

[pulsar saffron]

morocco did the same thing but white peaced

gabon declared independence, joined african union, and dragged them into war

i am NOT saving yall sorry

comintern is not yet ready for ww3

[fathom shard]

son 😭 😭

[pulsar saffron]

haile selassie on some bs

[terse skiff]

how long did it take to make all of it lmao

[winged field]

bro is going through that maginot line for sure

[terse skiff]

also at that point just make super heavies

[halcyon pasture]

had 1 production line I forgot about for like 8 years lmao

[eternal aspen]

playing requiem for the first time, finna have fun wit it too

but fr, does anyone know why TNO just feels so unpolished when they add content instead of taking the time to actually make something enjoyble? like 90% of russia just sucks

Japan and China are non-existant too, which is very unfortunate

[rapid furnace]

I found this france submod

And the monarchist paths are like 50 times better

[fallen hearth]

first time this ever happened to me

and i won against france

💔

[rapid furnace]

We back

This is way better than the old one

[dusky burrow]

rhineland rejection be like

[fallen hearth]

i got paris for 0.0001 nanosecond and they capitulated

💔

[pulsar saffron]

im crine 😭 i sent tank volunteers to ethiopia to help them against allies but they were performing extremelt badly

im wondering why

[snow rain]

tanks in mountains

[pulsar saffron]

interwar tanks in 1948 holy cooked

[dusky burrow]

since they have low war support and that 50% modifier from disjointed government

[pulsar saffron]

how trhe hell am i gonna fight ww3

[dusky burrow]

so you basically only need 20% of their victory points to capitulate them this early

and that's basically paris and a few other towns

[fallen hearth]

i was going to stay in that run but then i got "d day'ed" bc age of 56 add this stupid island

[dusky burrow]

just take the islands?

[fallen hearth]

i forgot about it and then they re took paris

was busy since vichy france didnt existed for some reason?

free france took all of vichy france

[heavy vigil]

they do that when they take paris

[fallen hearth]

ah

[snow rain]

"We are finally reunited" ass event

one of the reasons vichy is often forbidden in historical multiplayer

[dusky burrow]

i think free france does that when they take paris

happened to me once and woah i suddenly have 8 heavy tanks on the italian border

[fallen hearth]

i took paris tho

[dusky burrow]

when free france takes paris that's what happened

[fallen hearth]

ah

[heavy vigil]

no its different

if you make vichy, then make a collab gov, it annexes vichy and free france cant ask for the territories back afaik

its also just an event that pops up when france has too low ws

and takes half the army for fun

[ember vine]

Name a bigger abomination of a political character in HOI4, I'll wait

[winged field]

bro collecting them like infinity stones

[ember vine]

It's about joining the Axis

Like why

[winged field]

Just have 1:22 casualty ratio (brutal)

[ember vine]

Why can't I immediately get fascist support as a minor through focus path

[sharp sierra]

🇮🇳 mm hello darling how u doing 🇮🇳

[sly venture]

does the 35 day window where turkey has no guarantee exist in Byzantium path?

[woeful knoll]

you declare war on them early

and you HAVE to

[ember vine]

What

[woeful knoll]

in the byzantinium path they get gaurenteed by romanio tho

[sly venture]

Can I avoid that?

[woeful knoll]

maybe non historical mode

but romania isnt a problem

[sharp sierra]

yea you can beat romania

[woeful knoll]

turket+greece and thne justify on bulgaria

[sly venture]

I mean I don’t mind Romania but then I have a small window to kill Yugoslavia

[woeful knoll]

Byzantinum path isnt that hard bro

Allies dont defend north africa since gotterdamurung

just justify on albania

and the other countries

Once you have like yugo the levant and romania you are a major country

[sly venture]

i usually join the contimetern when doing Byzantium then kill the axis

[woeful knoll]

how...?

u cant do that anymore

cominterm is communist only now

[fathom shard]

Romania 🇮🇳

[sly venture]

then how did I join

[woeful knoll]

when

was this before ncns

[sly venture]

I did it yesterday

[woeful knoll]

idk

[woeful knoll]

emporer adolfos is fun tho

you need albania and cyprus and u also need german civil war

and u can have hitler as the byzantine emporer in the purple robes

[grizzled zenith]

Switzerland declared war on Austria XDD

[woeful knoll]

ive seen this1 happen before

no side can beat eachother lmao

[grizzled zenith]

What the-

[grizzled zenith]

That's until Austria goes into a civil war lol

[sly venture]

this is what will happen if I play non historical bro

[woeful knoll]

Genuinely makes sense

[shrewd inlet]

forever war

[woeful knoll]

turkey is turkik so is ma clique and xinjang

[shrewd inlet]

Chiang Kai-Shek and Kemal, for some reason it makes sense.

[woeful knoll]

and turkey have a focus to unite with china

[sly venture]

made this picture with ai tho cause I could not find it anywhere

[shrewd inlet]

I was mistaken

[woeful knoll]

???

[fringe spruce]

guys i want a ww1 mod whats better The great war or the great war redux?

[woeful knoll]

redux

[shrewd inlet]

redux

the Ottoman Empire has the best tree in the mod

by far 😭

[fringe spruce]

but its outdated

[ember vine]

Please remove party popularity scaling I hate it and it doesn't make sense

[woeful knoll]

scale back game

[shrewd inlet]

real

[tulip thorn]

Both suck, but guess if you had to play one redux

[woeful knoll]

It does make sense

[shrewd inlet]

shouldnt be too outdated

[shrewd inlet]

Redux's dev team absolutely sucks, it's a slop mod

[tulip thorn]

Bloat

filled with so much bloat

[woeful knoll]

By the time u convinced half of ur population to be, for example, communist, the other half will be harder to convince

[shrewd inlet]

also true

[tulip thorn]

They millennium dawnified ww1

[ember vine]

I was waiting to get Oman as Saudi Arabia since stupid unaligned doesnt want to justify war before 50% world tension and I had the perfect opportunity during the british civil war which ended faster than I could even turn fascist

[shrewd inlet]

I love the ottomans but i dont think they need 3x the size of the tree of the rest of the Central Powers

[ember vine]

I hate this game

[woeful knoll]

Dont even insult gwr like that, at least its playable

[tulip thorn]

Not really

[sly venture]

in this game I only play facist and democratic I don’t know how people enjoy the other stuff

[tulip thorn]

Try to play Italy

Or germany

[woeful knoll]

did u do the decisions

[shrewd inlet]

Yeah you dont

I've only played the Turks, Qing, and Russians

[ember vine]

I did everything I could as fast as possible

[tulip thorn]

Germany is literally just a millennium dawn focus tree

[woeful knoll]

democratic...?

[shrewd inlet]

Russia is outdated, Qing is complicated, and the Ottomans are super well made for the most part.

[restive sable]

i play whatever is fun

[shrewd inlet]

the original Ottoman tree was better though

[grizzled zenith]

Not the democratic Switzerland in the Axis bro😭 😭

[sly venture]

democratic is enjoyable

[woeful knoll]

as what lmao

[shrewd inlet]

research go brr

[woeful knoll]

maybe belgium

and historical allies

[ember vine]

Now no matter how hard I try I can't get UK to turn commie or do fascist civil war in non hist

[restive sable]

democratic hate is FORCED

[woeful knoll]

thats about it

[ember vine]

I hate this stupid game

[restive sable]

if it's a good democratic tree it's fun as hell

[woeful knoll]

what non historical democratic path is fun

[sly venture]

uk

[shrewd inlet]

france britian USA Germany Sweden exc

oh non hist

[woeful knoll]

non historical

[ember vine]

Except if you want to do achievements

[restive sable]

japan's democratic tree is really good

[woeful knoll]

besides germany and eu stuff

[shrewd inlet]

uhh no compromise uk is kinda fun

[restive sable]

the new one

[sly venture]

I don’t play non historical

[restive sable]

at least

[shrewd inlet]

I refuse to play japan

[woeful knoll]

yeah that

[sly venture]

I played it one time and weird things happened

[shrewd inlet]

I'm not playing as running dogs, glory to china

[woeful knoll]

but besides major countires democratic is so bad

espescially as older countires

for example democratic independent new zealand

[restive sable]

fair enough honestly

[shrewd inlet]

kidding mostly

[sly venture]

kiwi empire is fire tho

[safe wing]

Democratic King Italy

[shrewd inlet]

anyway, USA dlc better be next y'all

[woeful knoll]

non major

[restive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/jahouchinasupporttaiwan-gif-25756429

[grizzled zenith]

30 minutes of hell:Hungarian edition

[shrewd inlet]

3x the usa starting eco and we ball

[restive sable]

also really fun

[restive sable]

i hope

[shrewd inlet]

with philippines and Japan getting content, it'd only make sense to do USA

[fallen hearth]

dont cry dont cry...

[sly venture]

USA is factory building simulator

[tulip thorn]

I would like a good usa tree

[restive sable]

i want bazillions of president options

[woeful knoll]

USA is the most boring country in hoi4

[shrewd inlet]

maybe UK aswell but it's not certain

[tulip thorn]

Need more nations for extreme naval larp

[woeful knoll]

like more voring then bhutan

[restive sable]

it seems likely to me

[shrewd inlet]

idk how you're playing but every time i play the USA i have a blast

[obsidian sigil]

uk is probably next with air rework

[sly venture]

also after this what do i do

[shrewd inlet]

Air doesnt need another rework

🙏

[tulip thorn]

Some find nations like the US way to easy and boring

[obsidian sigil]

usa is probably after with eco or politics rework

[woeful knoll]

If you like having infinete everything, sure, but the point of hoi4 is WHAT IF, and more importantly, building up your country

[sly venture]

?

[azure palm]

WHAT?! THEY CAN DO THAT?!

[woeful knoll]

I like going from a little weak hungary to the world dominator

As us its just mindless

[tulip thorn]

A good powertrip can be fun

Thats what makes germany fun

[shrewd inlet]

I like stomping authoritarianism

[woeful knoll]

And yyour neighbors are 0 supply state size province countries

[obsidian sigil]

fight the entire world

[sly venture]

they need to rework supply tbh

[shrewd inlet]

legit

[knotty vortex]

whats the best militia div template for commy china

[tulip thorn]

Thats what I do every usa game

[restive sable]

i mean given the trend of

[shrewd inlet]

America's tree is extremely outdated, and to put it frank, the US is heavily nerfed in hoi (as it should be, because it's overpowered)

[restive sable]

integrating dlcs then

reworking the countries that were in them

[woeful knoll]

What would historical usa be

[restive sable]

example waking the tiger

[woeful knoll]

how powerfuk

[restive sable]

then we got a germany rework

then japan and china

[merry sluice]

Lowkey starting to enjoy the navy

[obsidian sigil]

i mean democracies overall are shit to play as

[tulip thorn]

A nation doesnt need a good focus tree to be fun

[shrewd inlet]

depends

[obsidian sigil]

they prob need to rework democracies

[tulip thorn]

Like japan was pretty fun before the rework

[restive sable]

i gotta disagree

[obsidian sigil]

to make them less ass

[shrewd inlet]

for the leader of the free world yeah maybe

[tulip thorn]

atleast historical japan was

[woeful knoll]

are you taling about base game

[shrewd inlet]

😭

[shrewd inlet]

bingo, the alt hist paths for the usa are so slop

[azure palm]

oh so great @ripe slate youre the one who understands code. What are the chances of this happening?

[woeful knoll]

i hate how the communist tree is like merged into the historical one

[shrewd inlet]

hist america is okay, but the second you do anything else it's kinda meh

[obsidian sigil]

like the only democracy tree thats probably enjoyable is like eu tree because jap and ger demo are literally just asking people to join u for free

[shrewd inlet]

real

[woeful knoll]

no non aligned

and the fascist is like

for those who love 0 supply

[restive sable]

Waking the Tiger was integrated into base game, and then the two were reworked with NCNS

[grizzled zenith]

GERMANY JOINS ME LMAO

[woeful knoll]

because thats what youll be doing

[tulip thorn]

Do anything else and you miss out on the 6 research slots

[grizzled zenith]

That's like 5 minutes of hell

[restive sable]

alt hist USA sucks

[grizzled zenith]

And not 30

[obsidian sigil]

i need war justifications buddy

[shrewd inlet]

Well considering the USA alone outproduced the Axis by itself, and heavily supported the soviets logistically. It'd be crazy

[obsidian sigil]

democracies suck

[shrewd inlet]

exactly

[obsidian sigil]

i mean i can get war just on allies thru guarantees

but like how about everywhere else

[woeful knoll]

Democracy would be fun if the axis were powerful in this game

Because you would have to survive

but in this game axis is weak

so your just stomping them

[sudden thistle]

sheeps mod

[shrewd inlet]

they are

[woeful knoll]

....

Have you played the game since ncns

[shrewd inlet]

Exactly, literally just get an AI overhaul mod and you're gucci

[shrewd inlet]

Yeah, Axis is fine how it is

[pulsar saffron]

why is my faction being blessed by divine intervention bruh

[shrewd inlet]

Germany by itself has crazy bonuses

[fringe spruce]

Any recomendation for mods? i am new into the moding

[pulsar saffron]

first italy randomly turned communist and left allies

then non aligned greece joined

now portugal

[shrewd inlet]

way more than they had historically

[obsidian sigil]

in my games germany always fumbles

its just sad

[shrewd inlet]

Well yeah, it's also historical

Germany was not some unstoppable force

btw

[obsidian sigil]

one time it was getting its ass kicked in by a france that is tetering on a communist civil war

[shrewd inlet]

yeah

[pulsar saffron]

why did soviet puppet romania turn fascist????

[woeful knoll]

AI germany loses a million people trying to attack magionot, crashes econemy, and then loses 20m to soviets by 43 without even pushing [ast ukraine

[obsidian sigil]

on hist

[woeful knoll]

AI japan is moronicly easy to defeat as chgina and thats all ive even seen them do

[shrewd inlet]

last 2 are kinda accurate

[obsidian sigil]

ive never seen hist japan naval invade se asia

[woeful knoll]

AI italy is stronger then irl and once you get past venice they are insanely weak tho

[woeful knoll]

exactly

[obsidian sigil]

like most they do is land in phillipines and half the time they fail

[sudden thistle]

but then again most players can barely beat it

[woeful knoll]

so i dont see how axis in this game are "op" accoring to luna

[obsidian sigil]

at this point just give them an event to get indonesia for free

[shrewd inlet]

well yeah, you're attacking into the heart of italian industry

[shrewd inlet]

because germany can rearm and roll over everyone extremely fast

just because the ai is dog doesn't mean the country isnt good

[fringe spruce]

gyus whats the funniest country to play on road to 56

[obsidian sigil]

were talking about the axis ai

[shrewd inlet]

german eco goes nuts

[woeful knoll]

Yes but im talking about playing a democratic country whos entire goal is to defeat axis

[obsidian sigil]

and how they always fumble

[woeful knoll]

rearming a puppet germany isnt what im saying

im saying how democracy in this game sucks because the axis ai is so braindead

[shrewd inlet]

if you have an issue with the ai download an ai overhaul mod

[shrewd inlet]

download an ai overhaul mod then

[restive sable]

there was no realistic way germany could've achieved total victory

irl

[obsidian sigil]

somehow ai mods makes france too competent

i use better ai cause its the only one comaptible with my modset

[shrewd inlet]

Yeah, because france was a global military power?

[restive sable]

their logistics were god awful when they advanced so far into the USSR

[shrewd inlet]

France wasnt a pushover y'all

😭

[obsidian sigil]

but france ends up kicking germany

[woeful knoll]

Dont have restarted race laws and they could win

[sudden thistle]

no

the ai is just braindead

[restive sable]

that's not even the beginning of it

they wouldn't have won the war if they just "stopped being racist"

[shrewd inlet]

germany had no chance of beating the allies or the soviets

😭

[restive sable]

they had the military, it's just their military leadership wasn't the brightest

[obsidian sigil]

twr timelline is somewhat realistic

just a limited victory

total victory like tno is impossible

[restive sable]

gamelin for example didn't think germany would go through the ardennes so they left it near undefended

[woeful knoll]

capture dunkirk -> try to peace allies for a few years -> work with soviet citizens as liberators -> after you actually defeat the soviets go back and use wunderwaffen to defeat allies

[shrewd inlet]

The scale germany fumbled in ww2 is not covered enough

[restive sable]

and low and behold germany went through the ardennes

[sudden thistle]

the best it could be is a white peace

or a small victory for germany

[shrewd inlet]

no way lmao

Britian wasn't gonna give up that easy, and even then they would've jumped them again during barb

[sudden thistle]

ah yes the ratte will help me invade dover

[woeful knoll]

V1 rocket

[sudden thistle]

oh 100%

[restive sable]

even if the brits agreed to a white peace (which i dont think would've been all too plausible in itself), they'd still forever be a looming threat to germany

[fallen hearth]

tf is wrong with liecheisten and monaco br

[restive sable]

the kriegsmarine was outmatched by the royal navy

[shrewd inlet]

i read your thing wrong, i saw "could be" my fault

[restive sable]

sealion was a pipe dream

[woeful knoll]

all of this could have been avoided if dunkirk was taken care of

[sudden thistle]

look at its accuracy

[shrewd inlet]

there is no limit to larp

[woeful knoll]

now imagine a germany that defeated the soviets

[sudden thistle]

the best u can do is "strike somewhere near that area"

[restive sable]

reminds me of that one twitter post that's been memed so much by this point

[woeful knoll]

that is putting work and resources into rockets

[restive sable]

"don't siege leningrad just take it"

[shrewd inlet]

The americans would level germany to the ground

[obsidian sigil]

its military and economy would be in shambles

[woeful knoll]

How

[sudden thistle]

wrong reply

[obsidian sigil]

and logitically gutted trying to occupy even to aa line

[sudden thistle]

so lets ingore the resistance

[fallen hearth]

goated monaco

[shrewd inlet]

American air power would stomp anything germany had to throw at the USA 😭

[restive sable]

besides, germany's ideology was to germanize and colonize the lands of the USSR

they wouldn't want partnership with any of the USSR's people

[sudden thistle]

and ignore the Portable Sun the US has

[woeful knoll]

soviet citizens viewed germans as liberators but then the ss came in and started massacring slavic villages

[restive sable]

they only reluctantly began collaboration because they were getting their teeth kicked in

[shrewd inlet]

only really the ukranians did

[sudden thistle]

the amount of changing u will need to do

[woeful knoll]

Germany still kicked the shit in to allies during the late war

[sudden thistle]

for them to "win" is insane

[shrewd inlet]

no they didnt

[restive sable]

america had the largest economy and industry in the world by that point

[obsidian sigil]

release indo aryan genetic data to germany and make them realize slavs were closer to proto indo europeans than germans

[restive sable]

germany's resources were finite

and stretched

[obsidian sigil]

then make them collaborate

lol

[restive sable]

their logistics in barbarossa were awful

[woeful knoll]

Siberia

[obsidian sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-18338667365126853250

[restive sable]

germany would not be able to make it that far so easily i assure you

[sudden thistle]

ah yes they will have great control over all of the Soviet union

[woeful knoll]

correct true

they def coult push past urals if soviets didnt surrender

but

[restive sable]

the partisans were already a thorn in their side and this was just in the land they occupied

[woeful knoll]

imagine if they won north africa

[obsidian sigil]

north africa was at least possible

[knotty vortex]

guys its not looking great

[shrewd inlet]

germany got stomped in africa, got bogged down in Italy, and clobbered in DDAY, not to mention constant American bombing raids on german industry flattening the nation. Not to mention the soviets being supercharged with lend lease

[sudden thistle]

thats a bit more realistic

[obsidian sigil]

but dday would still happen

[restive sable]

germany didn't do ALL that much in africa regardless

aside from the afrikakorps and sending rommel

[obsidian sigil]

italian front was just nothingburger

[restive sable]

rommel himself has such a myth formed around him it's insane

[shrewd inlet]

on god

[restive sable]

the italian front happened because that's the approach churchill wanted to land in europe

[shrewd inlet]

Well it was mainly the french puppet government during torch, i got them mixed up

[restive sable]

when the front stalled, they went with the american plan of Overlord and Dragoon

[shrewd inlet]

Literally knocked out the #2 axis member 😭

[obsidian sigil]

if the suez was captured then med is halfway closed

[restive sable]

vichy didn't really do much

the germans didnt want them to join the war

[obsidian sigil]

5 italys would not equal germany

lol

[shrewd inlet]

caused the country to fracture, and millions of Italians to flock to the allies

[restive sable]

and vichy had (albiet limited) recognition as the "legitimate" french regime

at least in it's early stages

[terse skiff]

Not even +4 italy can reliabiliy occupy suez

[obsidian sigil]

if africa was won allies wouldnt be able to supply italian front

[restive sable]

the italian monarchy and grand council overthrew mussolini once the war came to the homefront

[shrewd inlet]

Doesnt matter? Italy was still a great power with a Gigantic land army & navy

[restive sable]

it started an entire civil war in italy

[terse skiff]

but in game italy is very weak

[sudden thistle]

we arent talking about hoi4

just irl

[restive sable]

italy's military wasn't that pathetic either

[obsidian sigil]

even if italy wasnt in civil war its not gonna mean axis victory

[restive sable]

their leaders were very incompetent yes

[shrewd inlet]

what

[terse skiff]

oh irl italy is much more important

[obsidian sigil]

a united italy isnt gonna change the course of the war

[restive sable]

the italian collapse sped up the allied victory massively

germany was being pressed on too many fronts

[shrewd inlet]

It kinda is, it would delay the inevitable allied victory

[obsidian sigil]

the soviets were barreling in regardless and the only landing that made huge ground was dday

[terse skiff]

if italy didn't leave axis, much less ships could be sent to the pacific front, and stalin would still have to face most of axis fighting forces

[shrewd inlet]

still tied up allied resources to combat the italians. the fracture of italy was a significant win for the allied powers

[terse skiff]

that 600k german troops in italy could have been in the eastern front preventing stalin from taking back ukraine

[restive sable]

the soviets begged for D-Day and the Allies to land in Europe to relieve pressure off the eastern front

[obsidian sigil]

also with africa being won, the allies would probably just abandon fighting in med

africa being won by axis^

[shrewd inlet]

no way

[obsidian sigil]

meaning the resources can just go to those other fronts

[shrewd inlet]

The brits would fight tooth and nail for egypt

[restive sable]

i believe there were even plans to invade from the balkans but they were scrapped

[restive sable]

they wouldn't give it up so easily

[obsidian sigil]

this convo started by a dude suggesting axis won africa

[shrewd inlet]

Think that was another british suggestion for greece iirc

[obsidian sigil]

and then im saying it wouldnt change much

[restive sable]

this isn't hoi4 where they'd just give it up

[shrewd inlet]

ic

[restive sable]

they'd give it everything they've got to keep egypt

[obsidian sigil]

because italian collapse is irrelevent

[restive sable]

hoi4 mentality

[shrewd inlet]

oh nvm we're trolling now

😭

italian collapse literally crippled the axis 🙏

[terse skiff]

real life isn't hoi4 where german troops will only be sent to italy when you push to milan

[obsidian sigil]

was italy gonna send a million troops to barb or man the atlantic wall

[restive sable]

the entire country basically flipped to the allies

[terse skiff]

without italy mustache man wouldn't even dare to dream of getting iraqi or iranian oil

[restive sable]

only the die-hard italian fascists remained to oppose the kingdom

[ripe slate]

Pretty high chance if France doesnt guarantee, pretty small if France does guarantee

[restive sable]

i found that one twitter post where someone gave suggestions on how the war could've been won but i probably have to blur a few words

[terse skiff]

and if italy wasn't in the war then britain would be free to annex french north africa

[shrewd inlet]

A million? no, but they would likely provide a significant force to the southern invasion of france during dday, not to mention the Regia marina still lurking in the med.

[restive sable]

italy had their own colonies to look after

for one

they also did contribute to the invasion of yugoslavia

they attempted greece but as we know that went horribly and germany had to bail them out

[obsidian sigil]

in the scenario where africa was won by axis, the regia marina is going to be useless as the allies would only leave a token force in the med. the regia marina is still trapped in med

[gray kindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1315023189566296214/1490817564199096472/VideoProject-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[grizzled zenith]

WTH IS HAPPENING

Why did Azrbaijan revolt

[shrewd inlet]

Won how much? completely? like they made it to south africa? 😭

[sudden thistle]

who is bro

[gray kindle]

my friend he got banned bruy

[obsidian sigil]

suez taken

[shrewd inlet]

I dont think the brits would just give up the fight

[restive sable]

would've never happened

[sudden thistle]

and u made a gif for it

[gray kindle]

yes im fuming!!!

[sudden thistle]

complain to the pdx bot or smth

[restive sable]

WWII isn't like hoi4 where the allies just abandon africa and put 3 divisions there

[terse skiff]

uh no uk still owns malta, cyprus, and gibraltar. With those three places the allies would be free to harass the mediterranean and retake north africa

[obsidian sigil]

well thats the scenario were talking about

[gray kindle]

doesnt work

i tried

[shrewd inlet]

naw the wonder weapons will cut down the jungle

[gray kindle]

it didnt message him

[sudden thistle]

u message it

if hitlerr wanted to win ww2

[restive sable]

obviously

[sudden thistle]

why didnt he open console commands

and do "annex all"

[thick vector]

[obsidian sigil]

hoi4 mentality thinking u can just devote large forces to fight in sudan without any problems

[restive sable]

why didn't hitler just tag switch to the UK and delete their navy???

is he stupid??

[thick vector]

[terse skiff]

why didn't hitler try harder in painting? is he stupid?

[obsidian sigil]

who was ler and why is he being hit

[grizzled zenith]

Why does France join the war after Germany declares on Czechoslovakia?

I hate that so much, what do I have to do with the German aggression against Czechoslovakia, it attacked me

[restive sable]

because france guarentees czechoslovakia

[grizzled zenith]

But I'm in a defensive war

I know it is guaranteede by France

But Czecho attacked me earlier

And I was defending

Communist Allies...

[grizzled zenith]

Suddently I'm at war with half of Europe

[grizzled zenith]

Why did Turkey join the Allies all of a sudden?

I should've played historical bruh

[late plover]

The real way would've been to start justifying a war goal on Finland so that UK gurantees them and are forced to join the winter war while at the same turning America fascist ☝️ 🧠

[rapid furnace]

How hard is the german civil war give me some tips

[grizzled zenith]

...

[grizzled zenith]

What mod is that?

[restive sable]

it's fairly easy

usually i attempt to cut them off from the south asap

[grizzled zenith]

Same

[restive sable]

once you encircle and finish off whatever you trapped in the south they usually fold really quickly

[rapid furnace]

The monaricist path looks fun

[grizzled zenith]

And Lithuania refused Memel

[clever shuttle]

shoutout to my man Syria for taking africa for me super kind

[clever shuttle]

cooked

germany please change parties and help me in the war pleasseee make an civil war or smth pleeasseeeeee

[quick jungle]

when is my revolution in 1984, since im playing INGSOC

[lethal ether]

67 stability 😂

hahahahh

[quick jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/conquest-jumpscare-conquest-oliver-invincible-invincible-season-4-gif-11223792131528885915

[ember vine]

Make drawing allies into war harder

This is literal shit

The game is a big pile of shit

Total waste of money

I have enough of it

There is nothing good to say about hoi4

[quick jungle]

hoi4 is fun but unoptimized slop

[ember vine]

Waste of money, time and nerves

[winged field]

you could have 2 kebabs with that money

think about it

or even 3 kebabs

[ember vine]

In here I could have 100 kebabs for all the money I spent on this shit ass pile of crap

[quick jungle]

Big, Big, Big, Big, Big, Big, Big, Brother.

https://tenor.com/view/big-brother1984-1984-big-brother-big-brother-is-watching-you-george-orwell-gif-24454773

[winged field]

france could never

they have revolution if the prize of baguette goes up by 2 cents

[ember vine]

I swear if UK does steady as she goes again I'm going to jump off the window

I hate this game

[quick jungle]

genuinely when the revolution against big brother starting, this mod is taking too long

[ember vine]

It ruined my life

[quick jungle]

game being unoptimized slop caused me to lose 3.5 hours on a game, thats difficult as hell and refuses any save points

[ember vine]

Wdym unoptimized

I just wanted to get those stupid achievements

[lethal ether]

isnt the whole point of the game, cough, ww2?

[quick jungle]

i made 1 damn misclick and opened hoi4, i lost the entire progress of a game that is ragebait

[ember vine]

I only have around 40 achievements

[quick jungle]

achievements?

the ones that are a pain to get the "easiest" one?

[ember vine]

I want some easy ones

But the AI always makes it the worst

[clever shuttle]

yes

how the tf does portugal have 6,7 deaths, thats like 2/3 of their population

[obsidian sigil]

i once killed the finnish population 2x over whilst playing finland

hoi4 game logic

[clever shuttle]

bruhhhh i have been at war now like 40 years and they got like 150 mill casaualtes, its already exhausting dont say they can regenerat

[lavish tiger]

New meta???

[clever shuttle]

this would starve cities brocacho

[winged field]

bro has negative supply use ❤️‍🩹

[keen pebble]

anyone know when willhelm III dies?

[winged field]

do tanks shit out new tanks?

[clever shuttle]

this would make global warming 200% faster from the trucks brocacho

[sly venture]

time to strarve them to death

[rapid furnace]

The falangists win again

[sly venture]

the subs have like 5% visibility

[rapid furnace]

We can probably form the triumviriate from the new order

[lavish tiger]

My friend is new in hoi4 this is design of his fleet, is this good?❤️

[rapid furnace]

What did the iraqi people do to deserve this

[round marsh]

mid

[lavish tiger]

Oil, just oil🛢️

[fair horizon]

No its kinda mid

[clever shuttle]

am i the only one who thinks late game allies are super scary. like i looked at my equipment and i was like -40 000 mechanized equipment. And that was because the allies sent in 200 division in my eastern front of russia just because i forgot to guard it. like its scary to be alone against so many and one mistake can almost lose you the game

[lavish tiger]

Alt+f4

[clever shuttle]

yeah but did not realize it till later

[obsidian sigil]

not really because u should also have 40k mech

[clever shuttle]

not enough apparently🤷‍♂️

or i mean i had them as coast guards and then the allies could just attack them whim they were standing still

[rapid furnace]

is britan doing kings party or smth

[clever shuttle]

i think that’s communist idk

[rapid furnace]

probably this foucs

[obsidian sigil]

im bored

[rapid furnace]

Thalmann is in powert

[obsidian sigil]

where can i find a mp game

cause mp is dead

[sly venture]

we starved them to death lol

[night stone]

I can't look at it for too long without my eyes watering, but it's beautiful.

[high vector]

were you using motorized/mechanized as coast garrisons 💀

yeah thats why ur missing all ur equipment bro

😭

u only use basic infantry for coast garrisons cuz they draw the least amount of supplies in the far away areas

ur trying to ship vehicles across the siberian tundra n shit no wonder they're all disappearing 😭

[sudden thistle]

that makes 1 of us

[robust basalt]

what mod adds epic larp super events?

[weary estuary]

“Power over tungsten is power over all”

[fathom shard]

you're weird

[dusky burrow]

Oh wow Dankus is losing hard rn

already lost Taiwan and about to lose mainland China too

[night stone]

It will surely be peace, in our time.

[ivory hull]

okinawa is gone too

[dusky burrow]

rightful germany

[dusky burrow]

yeah i saw

mainland japan also looks weak rn

[ivory hull]

also getting encircled in china

did the axis just sleep the whole game or what?

[lethal ether]

what mod is bro using

[dusky burrow]

Germans also performed badly?

Because it seems like the Allies just focused on Japan

[ivory hull]

barb looks ok tho

and africa hasnt moved

[sly venture]

italy is the emeberassment of the axis

and bulgaria

[ivory hull]

did italy declare after the allies were dead?

[sly venture]

yes

[ivory hull]

shouldve given italy yugo lol

[sly venture]

nah

[ivory hull]

why even take yugo in the first place

just takes more time

[obsidian sigil]

autarky

[sly venture]

its 1940 we have alot of time

[ivory hull]

can do that with allied resources

[ivory hull]

declaring on the soviets or us before 41 makes it very easy

[sly venture]

70 days aint going to kill me bro

[ivory hull]

yea the allies are just fully focusing on japan lol

[ivory hull]

bro think about it, 70 days is like 800 tanks

[sly venture]

also the method i used to killbritian lowkey worked flawlessly

[ivory hull]

did you just sealion?

[sly venture]

yes but

i also starved them

not a single convoy could pass

[ivory hull]

did you build more subs?

[sly venture]

wdym>

?

[ivory hull]

like did you build more submarines than there are at the start

in the prod line

[sly venture]

yes

[ivory hull]

how many did you have?

[sly venture]

39

i used these

[ivory hull]

how did the british not sink them

[sudden thistle]

LMAO

[ivory hull]

oh

[sly venture]

visibility low and never engage

[ivory hull]

yea just saw the visibility

pretty big investment

[sly venture]

but it worked

[ivory hull]

why basic airframe in 41?

[ivory hull]

gotta pay itself off

[sly venture]

i forgot to reserach planes

[ivory hull]

bro

and like 15 factories on arty too?

damn

[sly venture]

yea but

[ivory hull]

8k tanks missing and not spgs?

your training right?

[sly venture]

no

no big problem bro

[lethal ether]

are u using a mod for the map

[sly venture]

no

[ivory hull]

just day and night cycle

i think

[lethal ether]

why does it look kinda good

[ivory hull]

it maybe does when paused

its just eye cancer when going

i think its disabled on five speed

but on 4 speed its horrible to look at imo

[lethal ether]

personal prefference

[upper shuttle]

Is the navy ai fixed yet?

[lethal ether]

what an i looking at 🙏

[lethal ether]

sir this isnt facebook you dont share family pictures here

[sly venture]

there goes one of the big 3

[ivory hull]

youve got a collab?

[sly venture]

4 collabs

big bang

[opaque zinc]

Does anyone know like a good way to get the naval arms race achievement without by blood alone or ncns?

I have all the others

Except like graveyard of empires and trial of allegiance and battle for the Bosporus

But I feel like that achievement relies a lot on stealing other countries navy

[patent thistle]

first of 3 gone (Bulgaria Kaiserreich)

[vocal bolt]

waiting on my steam items to sell

so I can buy dlc

lmao

[fair horizon]

No

[fair horizon]

Which is that?

[sly venture]

easy

[opaque zinc]

Capitulate UK as Germany with a admiral as your leader

[upper shuttle]

Is there anyway to fix it or no

[opaque zinc]

It’s the kriegsmarine revolt thing

[fair horizon]

Oh just let the navy thing happen and go with raeder

[fair horizon]

Mods i guess

[opaque zinc]

No but I just don’t know how I could beat the uk

Without a good navy

Well I could build one

But it’ll be a lot harder to invade

I guess I could just take forever

[fair horizon]

paradrop them

[opaque zinc]

Yeah

That I guess

[fair horizon]

Otherwise just build a half decent navy because you're still germany

I think you get the netherlands for free iirc

[opaque zinc]

And Belgium and France if you play it right I could pull it off I guess

[fair horizon]

The french fleet can get you enough supremacy to invade britian

[opaque zinc]

No I mean I can’t get the French fleet

Because I don’t have by blood alone

I can’t take navy in peace deal

[fair horizon]

Ah well then you'll have to make a navy

[patent thistle]

ze snake is real

[fair horizon]

honestly didnt realize that was a bba thing

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-snake-big-boss-gif-12248663

[patent thistle]

honestly it shouldnt be forced under BBA

[ember vine]

Can't wait for the two towers to happen so I finally have a fleet afterwards

[patent thistle]

lol

might not even want peace actually

serbia just capped leaving only romania

[pallid anvil]

My first HOI4 playthrough was dicking around as Romania

[fair horizon]

im so sorry

[ember vine]

1999 flashbacks

[fair horizon]

i wouldnt wish that on my worst enemy

[patent thistle]

easy

[sly venture]

I love convoy warfare

[fair horizon]

why is hungary blue

[patent thistle]

idk dont ask me ask hungary why it revolted of austria

[fair horizon]

wayament

is that ww1

[patent thistle]

OH COME ON WHY DO MODS KEEP DOING THAT...

jfqfaidikwüf

jaicopkwsf

[patent thistle]

kaiserreich

[fair horizon]

puppets arent real ☝️ 🤓

[fair horizon]

idk what that is i just see ottomans and imperial germany

[fair horizon]

no steel bumming you out?

[patent thistle]

... and what is the point of that?

[ember vine]

It's always no steel

[crude field]

arent u meant to full annex in kaiserreich then it gives events

[ember vine]

Hoi4 steel update would be cool

[crude field]

ahh yess the steel update

[patent thistle]

oh right forgot about that in kaiserreich being a thing

[fair horizon]

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[fair horizon]

<@&846894118219022336> mods help

[rare cipher]

Huh

[patent thistle]

should i just do it to piss off serbia?

[rare cipher]

How can i make the mappa mundi mod work?

[patent thistle]

@fair horizon you decide now

[rare cipher]

Should i disable all mods post 1.14 or install the 1.14 version

[opaque zinc]

The borders of Austria Hungary are so beautiful

I just can’t help it bro

It’s so pretty

[prisma quartz]

huh

[untold sorrel]

Hi everyone

[patent thistle]

fine if there is no answer i just give it to albania

[untold sorrel]

Just started playing not too long ago (New to the game) and currently going through the Germany guide from bittersteel. Is there a reason why you need to rush the air range improvements?

He researches this right from the start

[quartz grail]

guys can someone coach me?