hoi4-general

[eternal aspen]

bc the american company CASOC developed it a bunch, but like, by 1941 arabia should alr be producing a bunch (though given to the yankees)

well, SOCAL founded CASOC as a branch for arabia

this is 1938 too, so new USA focus tree give arabia oil but resource rights it to USA or smth idk

bc USA never has enough oil or smth idk

wait crap i might be cooked

minsk doesn't have gold but smolensk does?

shi

and italy went from owning the suez, to barely holding onto libya bc i withdrew one tank division to help in russia, ffs my allies are so useless

this must be how big AH felt hearing this news lmfao

i gotta get off the game anyways, my pc decided it wasn't gonna be able tor un it anymore

[vernal beacon]

is this too late to still make it?

[keen pebble]

how long does it take to get breakthrough points?

[fair horizon]

Not very long if you research stuff related to it

[eternal aspen]

about a year per point if not researching, but researching 6 slots for say, navy, with a navy dockyard you get like 3 or 4 in the time it takes for your longest research to go

though, only USA gets 6 slots

[keen pebble]

how do i see how many points i have?

[fair horizon]

Research tab second subtab

[maiden bolt]

bro your navy is cooked

[eternal aspen]

go into research, and into facilities subtab

[eternal aspen]

you can, though you'd need a lrger navy for it

[fair horizon]

Show navy

[vernal beacon]

i followed the guide i did everything right

[eternal aspen]

especially if the RN holds the north sea

[maiden bolt]

use battleships for more Domiance

[eternal aspen]

invade denmark

[eternal aspen]

they instantly surrender to you

[maiden bolt]

But use battleships for more domiance

[eternal aspen]

time to grind more nuclear thunder ig

[vernal beacon]

ok

[fair horizon]

Why are you splitting cruisers off the main fleet?

[vernal beacon]

?

[maiden bolt]

so u can obv invade norway

[eternal aspen]

that's in reserve

[vernal beacon]

i dont even understand what that means

[fair horizon]

No theres one in the yellow task force patrolling

[eternal aspen]

oh i see the CL in danish belt

[eternal aspen]

here's how you wanna split navy
surface ships: everything but destroyers in one fleet, destroyers in a 2nd subfleet, this way they can patrol and not engage
submarines: separate admiral because subs make surface fleet way worse unless you have really fast subs

vendrip or another individual would be better to describe it honestly

[vernal beacon]

i dont really know how i can sep them i just did what the guide said

[fair horizon]

Dont even bother with that unless you can get 3-5 patrolling destroyers each region you're operating in

[vernal beacon]

2k fighters in the english channel still no air superiority

[fair horizon]

ball everything non-sub up and hunt british fleets somewhere else

[fair horizon]

Those fighters are being intercepted in the english channel

They're flying over london

[vernal beacon]

okay its good now thanks

[heavy vigil]

vendrip!!

[vernal beacon]

i cant trade anymore gosh

[fair horizon]

Yes Casey?

[vernal beacon]

the slider doesnt work

[heavy vigil]

hii :))

[fair horizon]

Hi Casey :)

[heavy vigil]

ok chat, im gonna sleep, dont start forest fires, dont throw rocks at orphan children, dont be racist please

[maiden bolt]

its because of embargo

[vernal beacon]

but that is only for the grey lands right

i wanna trade with vichy france or hungary but i cant

[maiden bolt]

oh some is embargos and the Allies are at war with you so u cant trade them

and u also gotta sometimes change your trade law too

[eternal aspen]

man nuclear thunder is sitll cancer

like, i take off, 70 Aim-7F's touch me like a priest to a 7yo boy

[half trellis]

romania is too OP

[safe wing]

eh

[safe wing]

not really

[eternal aspen]

Far from it imo

[half trellis]

Im noob and romania is good for new player

[vernal beacon]

should i give the soviets part of poland #

no right

[azure quartz]

Which chinese warlords can core states that most other warlords can

[azure quartz]

I know Kumul and Yunnan can

[vernal beacon]

theyre not naval invading they just stay at the port ?

[verbal reef]

not enough supremacy

or you didnt wait the proper amount of days (it takes a certain number days of preperation

[vernal beacon]

okay now they are invading

didnt have supremacy

[keen pebble]

on my fighter plane should i use cannons or machine guns?

[eternal aspen]

good question, i'm over stimmed just from how much that focus tree is

[eternal aspen]

do you have HMG?

[keen pebble]

yeah

[misty fossil]

oh you saw it?

yeah its fair

[keen pebble]

heavy machine guns right?

[eternal aspen]

yh it's just so bright

[misty fossil]

i think you NEED to grab the prod cap since ur gonna have 0 stab

[eternal aspen]

if you can, 8HMG 2CNN2 iirc

that's like, the most bang for your buck, if not then it's 12 HMG

[keen pebble]

what are the last 2 things

[eternal aspen]

8 HMG is 2 sets of 4x heavy machine gun

2 CNN2 is 2 cannon 2's

so large cannons

which would be smth like a 30 milimetre gun

[keen pebble]

whats iirc

[eternal aspen]

if i remember correctly

means i might be wrong, but that's what i can remember to be the best

[keen pebble]

oh shit i thought it was a hoi4 thing lol 😭

[eternal aspen]

lmao that's alright

[vernal beacon]

what happens if i just not attack the soviets as germany

[eternal aspen]

nothing

historical AI ussr cannot do their focus tree

unless japan or the allies start a war with them

because a majority of their army, like all but 4 focuses are locked behind at war with major power

so that means they'll always suck

[maiden bolt]

USA🇺🇸

[keen pebble]

how are we rating this division

[eternal aspen]

replace 1 reg of arty with infantry

gives you some more org

other than that, gl anyone trying to push that

[fathom shard]

glory to the emperor

[eternal aspen]

i cannot say my stance on this, as i have bias one way or another towards the specific "empire" you are playing as

[dusky burrow]

tit's 52 combat width

so no

[fathom shard]

they should make the axis ai better

[vernal beacon]

why didnt mustache man do that then

you can just focus on the west

[viscid mason]

remove all the line arty

[eternal aspen]

He always planned to invade the soviets

And irl, stalin planned to invade nazi germany after he bled during the blitz

[misty fossil]

censor the f word bro this is a family friendly discord

you will get cancelled if you say it

[eternal aspen]

But it wasnt sealion so stalins plan never happened

[maiden bolt]

should i invade germany from the north

[dusky burrow]

should have invaded germany from a direction

[fathom shard]

invade germany like this

[maiden bolt]

i was focusing on helping the soviet because they ran out of manpower

[jade gazelle]

Is the darkest hour mod, on easy mode, as easy as vanilla hoi4?

[vernal beacon]

how do i get the naval dominace its so fricking hard

[fathom shard]

bro they barely have any ship there

[maiden bolt]

put some battleships there bro

it gives you more dominace

[opal nymph]

Patrol

[maiden bolt]

build some battle ships

[vernal beacon]

destroyers?

[opal nymph]

With the entire kriegsmarine surface fleet

[maiden bolt]

no

battleships

[vernal beacon]

heavy ships?

[maiden bolt]

not destroyers

yes

[opal nymph]

Literally patrol with the entire surface fleet

[maiden bolt]

mb

[opal nymph]

Don't just patrol with battleships

Your battleships will get shredded

[vernal beacon]

i have no more heavys

[maiden bolt]

put some battleships there on patral then put the destroyers on Strike force

[opal nymph]

Wdym you don't have any more

[maiden bolt]

thats what i do

and it work

[opal nymph]

Did you not group up all of your surface ships?

[vernal beacon]

theyre going!!

[opal nymph]

Hope you have air support

[vernal beacon]

is it okay if i just send all of my army or half

yes i do

[opal nymph]

Send an army first. Once you have a few ports, send in more

[fathom shard]

finally over

now i gotta kill the sovs

[maiden bolt]

put your destroyers on strike force too if that works out for you

[vernal beacon]

i have everything in one unit now i believe

cause they killed all my subs

[maiden bolt]

good

did the usa joined the war

if they did your cooked ngl especially if your a new player

[jade gazelle]

also how good is the ai

[fathom shard]

what even is sov doing bro

im quitting this game

[green magnet]

got like a few moments before my navy slowly gets ticked by the brits

[fathom shard]

my italian puppet got uk bro im crine

[eternal aspen]

Sorta

You get a lot more time to build up

So you can specialize way early

[jade gazelle]

is the AI as smart as sheeps mod?

[restive sable]

amazing faction name

[eternal aspen]

Good question

I barely made it to chancellor hitler b4 getting bored

[jade gazelle]

what was boring?

[vernal beacon]

why do i not have air superiority in lower britain?

[maiden bolt]

either they got anti air or stronger planes thats it

[fathom shard]

f*** hitler vs comintern

who wins

[vernal beacon]

i won!! i got britain almost

and someone said it was too late

maybe i win

[maiden bolt]

now u got to get america

and soviet union

[vernal beacon]

but i thought its easier now atleast

[eternal aspen]

the mod

had nthn to do for 90% of the early game

[jade gazelle]

fair

[vernal beacon]

very nice

i got them

[dusky burrow]

aeugh

that's rough

[dusky burrow]

use this

oh

nvm

still use that for your future invasions though

[vernal beacon]

thought i need a boat

[dusky burrow]

nice

[dusky burrow]

well you do need boats

you need more boat than enemy

so if you destroy the enemy boats while still having your own

boom, you can cross

[vernal beacon]

can someone teach me navy bruh i dont know anything about it

its so important for us invasion

and how do i get the rest of this ugly britain from the map

[fathom shard]

it really isn't

[vernal beacon]

okay so should i just make a big panzer fleet and ship them over lol

[fathom shard]

just annex uk and invade through canada

[vernal beacon]

oh yeah

[fathom shard]

thats why you should try to annex them before usa joins

3 hours footage in 2 mins

[vernal beacon]

wait i thought i annex them automatically when they capitulate

how do i do that

no peace conference popped up

[fathom shard]

you gotta defeat all majors in the faction

which is why you rush uk

[vernal beacon]

but i defeated him

i didnt get the part of canada

[fathom shard]

yeah because you have to defeat usa now that they're in allies

[vernal beacon]

ohh zamn

right

[maiden bolt]

cooked

[fathom shard]

so you rush uk before like 1941

annex them

[vernal beacon]

you always stay on the same bs

[fathom shard]

and then declare war on usa

[vernal beacon]

i got a plan yall dont worry

whats a good place to invade

not the capital right

i mean it will be unexpected maybe it works

[fathom shard]

a coast with alot of supply hubs nearby

[vernal beacon]

why are these ships also not moving over the atlantic?

[fair horizon]

They dont have the range

You can change the base to move where they are doing missions from

[tender surge]

just brutally maimed the british as italian libya. my friend playin I.E.A, i took ALL of egypt and even encircled alexandria and cairo

is this good for a beginner

[keen pebble]

why cant i?

[unkempt sun]

we need a dlc for bhutan

a whole dlc

just for bhutan

the tuffest nation on hoi4

[unkempt sun]

fr bro i was about to finisih the allies after taking almost all of the uk but the U.S had to ruin the fun and join

[sharp sierra]

Well I do usually wake up covered in dead spiders

[vernal beacon]

how do i gain more range

[clear dagger]

allies gave hitler the napoleon treatment 💀

they balkenized the czechs

[vernal beacon]

how do i go over these things

and how do i get more range for my boats

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-the-neat-thing-that's-the-neat-part-invincible-gif-3109787441708074597

[vernal beacon]

what is it tho?

[clear dagger]

"impassable terrain"

so you're troops dont march 400 miles deep in a desert with no food or water

[faint fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-its-gone-gif-4104229

[fair horizon]

None of them are operating from a base in range

[fair horizon]

Move their operation base

[fair horizon]

Hit the czech with border gore

[vernal beacon]

can i just cram every navy troop into one or will it restrict my range

[fair horizon]

It will average them out

so battleships are usually longer range and destroyers arent so it'll average the range out

[vernal beacon]

yea but i cant figure out how i make a seperate divison for them

[fair horizon]

Click the ships you want and click the create new task force at the top of their menu

Do you have access to the azores?

[vernal beacon]

okay now i get half the way

even though i have a big fleet in the domenican region

[fair horizon]

See if you can get access to the azores

Or mil access to another country

[vernal beacon]

where is that

okay

[fair horizon]

Azores belongs to portugal

Well unless they've been conquered

[vernal beacon]

they have

[fair horizon]

About halfway from europe to usa

[vernal beacon]

wait they have not

they hate me

theyre not giving it

how do i get control of a part that now belongs to vichy france

[sharp vessel]

should there be a new zealand rework for thunder at our gates

[vernal beacon]

why are these 3 advanced cruisers not patrolling at florida?

cruisers go the most far right?

[clear dagger]

because they cant reach it

you have them based in rotterdam

[vernal beacon]

how do i change that

theyre docked in the dominican region

[clear dagger]

click this in the middle

then find a port thats better for your needs

[vernal beacon]

thanks

[vernal beacon]

i have them allied now but i cant find it in the home base list

[clear dagger]

theres 3 different boxes you can check

1 is your own, another is allies and 1 is port access

[vernal beacon]

yea i checked each one and i couldnt find it lol

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-24471438

[lilac ginkgo]

not everyone loves navy

[clear dagger]

its a port

[lilac ginkgo]

do you know how to do a 360 spinjitzu with a triple 180 jump and a quadruple rotation

You dont

[clear dagger]

what

[lilac ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-24471438

[clear dagger]

we are talking about finding a homebase for your taskforce to operate from

[sharp fractal]

New meta files incoming

[clear dagger]

not the 12 different things to put on your ships to make it meta

[lilac ginkgo]

And I was taking about a jump

Its the same thing

[raw crystal]

A portion of my Army is Space Marines when fighting the Soviets as Monarchist Germany in my current playthrough.

[lilac ginkgo]

not everyone is talented everywhere

[clear dagger]

no?

[lilac ginkgo]

Basically yes

[clear dagger]

https://giphy.com/gifs/red-dead-redemption-2-1-rHrsWNz5iOmVuARg4b

[lilac ginkgo]

no

[fair horizon]

Sorry i was busy, you can crtl click the port once you select the task force

[lilac ginkgo]

its another example

[fair horizon]

I am

[lilac ginkgo]

ok buddy

[sharp fractal]

Stop it already

[lilac ginkgo]

how tall are you

I mog you eitherway

[clear dagger]

selecting a homebase is the equivalent to making a fallback line

he's just new is all

its not as complicated as ninjago spinjitsu though

[fair horizon]

Im like at least like the size of a melon

[lilac ginkgo]

that tells me everything I need to know

[sharp fractal]

Lionel you have broblem with hoi?

[lilac ginkgo]

whay

T

[sharp fractal]

Do you have problem qith game

[lilac ginkgo]

I like the game

[lilac ginkgo]

problem as in

the kind of problem I need to fix or the kind of problem that requires me to beat someone up and spit on their face afterwards

yeah ive got a problem

technical issue

[slim nexus]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-gulp-glup-gguh-yRTCATKJ5yIKmZK66Z

[fair horizon]

Lionel cant figure out navy

[lilac ginkgo]

oh no I can

I just dont want to

[fair horizon]

Cant figure out how to move a task force's operational base lmao

[lilac ginkgo]

0/10 ragebait

jesus your ragebait is so 2025

[fair horizon]

Just mad because im perfect :)

[lilac ginkgo]

stop trying

[fair horizon]

Trying what?

[lilac ginkgo]

to ragebait me

it isnt working

[fair horizon]

Im not?

[lilac ginkgo]

alright

so you re delusional

we get it

[fair horizon]

👍 ok bud

[clear dagger]

arent you falling for it by responding to very obvious ragebait and gaslighting

[lilac ginkgo]

you had to say ok twice is your dementia that bad

[lilac ginkgo]

I'm not raging am I

[clear dagger]

idk are you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1231710108040433776/1479602355514376285/caption.gif

[fair horizon]

Yeah ive lost the ability to do math over the last month pretty bad

[lilac ginkgo]

no

[lilac ginkgo]

Alright

did they euthanize you yet

[fair horizon]

No im here arent i?

[lilac ginkgo]

probably

[fair horizon]

Chat am i here?

[clear dagger]

no

[fair horizon]

Ok :(

but what would carlist spain want me to do?

[lilac ginkgo]

surrender

As they always do

[clear dagger]

destroy the british navy

[dusky burrow]

You learn new things every day

[clear dagger]

what is that

[misty fossil]

w tank?

[dusky burrow]

this is from an extended tech tree 1960 mod

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=1778255798

[rain loom]

I love (hate) Czechoslovakia

[high vector]

my best guess is these guys are reenacting Vilno Musketeers

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-scam-users-obvious-phishing-gif-15812245174444424671

[rain loom]

No but it looks chill

[rain loom]

Gang what do I do I fell for it more times than Germany alt history scenario

[quasi osprey]

Is the greater polish lithuanian commonwealth worth it in hoi4?

[rain loom]

Poland larp is always worth it

[quasi osprey]

Ok just I will have to fight on two fronts in 1939

[rain loom]

No

[quasi osprey]

Why

Should I give up danzig

[rain loom]

Surrender Danzig, smash the Soviets in, then murder Germany

Simples

[winged field]

Im genuinely curious if someone fell for that scam

[quasi osprey]

Oh yeah I have the lithuanian and Latvian dockyards so I will still have a navy and access to the sea

[clear dagger]

my dog fell for it 9 times already

[rain loom]

Scary

[winged field]

ggs

[rain loom]

I fell for it

[quasi osprey]

Now I have a year to prepare for the soviet invasion

[winged field]

"Oh yes u need to send us 140 bucks so we can verify" my ahh

[quasi osprey]

How much fielded manpower should I have to stop the soviets?

[rain loom]

No clue

[quasi osprey]

Just I stopped the soviets once as poland but that was when I had only poland but now I have the Latvian border to worry about

[quasi osprey]

And soon estonian

[rain loom]

Build forts and let them smash into you?

On every front I guess

[quasi osprey]

Should I release Estonia as a puppet to have smaller border with soviets?

[rain loom]

Uhhhh ur choice ig

I would say no

But both have benefits and downsides

[quasi osprey]

Oh they ask to annex Estonia and declare on them so its useless

[upbeat tundra]

untill the sovs kill estonia and then cook u

from the side

[quasi osprey]

So I will just conquer Estonia and hold it on my own

[rain loom]

The Estonian cavalry will save the day

Against tannu tuva divisions

[upbeat tundra]

if ur worried just build some land forts there

[high vector]

Your Withdrawal of $3200.00 Was Successfully!

[quasi osprey]

Estonia is good to defend as there is a lake on half the border with the soviets and I will build some forts as well idk if I will have time for all of them tho got 76 factories total and a year to prepare.

[high vector]

Successfully what?

Successfully cancelled?

[upbeat tundra]

as germany?

[quasi osprey]

As poland

[upbeat tundra]

oh

was gunna say

[rain loom]

Soviet offensive soon

[high vector]

just make sure you have airforce out

soviets actually shouldn't be hard as poland if you're ONLY fighting them

[quasi osprey]

Yeah I will betray germany when I hopefully deal with soviets

[high vector]

oh u went the axis poland path

lol

or did you do monarchist poland and germany went monarchist

[quasi osprey]

Nah greater commonwealth path

[high vector]

ah ok

[quasi osprey]

But I will give up danzig for now and conquer it later

[high vector]

monarchist poland gets really good buffs actually so you should be good

[quasi osprey]

Considering this wasn't that hard I think I will manage.

[high vector]

wait wtf 😭

[quasi osprey]

What?

[high vector]

how did u go from poland to finland

[quasi osprey]

No it was my previous run

[high vector]

o

[quasi osprey]

If I beat soviets as finland then poland won't be that much harder

[high vector]

honestly you can hold the soviet border with just 48 divisions (20 width infantry with support artillery, recon, engineers) but you'll need more like 70-80 to actually conquer them

and that's assuming you have an airforce aswell

[quasi osprey]

I will focus on that rn I have a year to make an airforce and build forts

[high vector]

yeahh just get good fighters & cas

or they'll meme you out with air

[quasi osprey]

At least fighters if soviets can't use cas it doesnt affect the run that much

[high vector]

yeah you should be fine as long as you're atleast contesting the air

if they dominate the air your forts won't matter is all

the AI is so bad tho they'll waste their manpower in the first 6 months

[quasi osprey]

Not always sometimes they are competent(this was a run I did about a month ago)

I needed 143 divs

And they still pushed in some places

[dusky burrow]

AI seems to be pushing too hard for its own good

if you defend well you can bleed them out

[void bear]

Anyone wanna play? We play with RP mods an all states independent at game start.

[misty fossil]

how do i open a link to a mod in steam?

[low dock]

Guys whats my win chance?

Allies vs us

[quasi osprey]

This run was a month ago but I did bleed them out then germany joined the war against soviets and they completely collapsed

[misty fossil]

graveyard of paradox

peak content right here

[viscid stirrup]

how do i stop myself from getting pinged by #hearts-of-iron-news

[dusky burrow]

ah i see

[misty fossil]

by getting rid of this

[mild musk]

67%

are you playing as the allies

[drifting grove]

where does paradox get the info about the OOBs for 1936 and 1933?

like, how am i supposed to verify which divisions were where in january of 1933

or even 36

[half trellis]

is WW1 mode is good

[tired reef]

last achievement done finallly

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/he-did-it-gif-25741033

[quasi osprey]

is this an ok infantry template for 1938

[clear dagger]

huh

[dusky burrow]

how do you only have 108 defense

[quasi osprey]

wdym

idk if thats good or bad

[clear dagger]

do you feed your troops

[dusky burrow]

that's abnormally low for an infantry division

[quasi osprey]

it is a mix of infantry and artillery

its a small div

[dusky burrow]

For reference, a 7/0 with no support companies and basic infantry equipment has 140 defense

that explains it

[dusky burrow]

unfortunately, this division will suffer elevated amount of losses every battle

[quasi osprey]

this one doenst need much manpower and has quite a bit of damage

[dusky burrow]

there's too much artillery and too few infantry

[quasi osprey]

oh what template should I use for defense against soviets?

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[dusky burrow]

are you going for the "give up no territory" achievement?

because if you aren't you could just produce 9/0 forest rangers

[quasi osprey]

I dont have the expansion for rangers

[dusky burrow]

then mountaineers

[quasi osprey]

oh how much width and what support companies should I use

[dusky burrow]

support artillery and support aa

and ranger recon maybe

[quasi osprey]

ok

[dusky burrow]

just expand your special forces cap

[quasi osprey]

is this better

[dusky burrow]

#ask-for-help-here message check the video

[dusky burrow]

Yeah that's better

[quasi osprey]

its this design

[dusky burrow]

are you using a mod?

[quasi osprey]

why?

[dusky burrow]

because normally you can't have infantry and artillery in the same column

[quasi osprey]

I am not idk why this happened its just a lithuanian or polish unit

[dusky burrow]

huuuuh

[winged field]

what is difference between EU4 and victoria 3?

Im thinking about playing those

[quasi osprey]

playing as poland is the only time I am happy to see this

will this be enough to stall the soviets?

[dusky burrow]

wait

i thought you were playing finland

if you're playing poland you go at least 9/0 or go home

maybe you go large infantry and go 36-width

[clear dagger]

train 500 thousand horsies

[winged field]

combined arms ahh trait

[dusky burrow]

only if you're going down the bermontian path

[quasi osprey]

💀

[clear dagger]

habsburg works pretty well

[dusky burrow]

this is a battle you're losing?

[clear dagger]

or most monarch paths for me at least

[dusky burrow]

yeah but then you might not want to do cavalry

[clear dagger]

tell that to the germans and soviets

(i ate them both by 42 at the latest)

[high vector]

you should always use 20 or 40 width divisions

[quasi osprey]

why?

[high vector]

cuz of how the combat width system works

anything that's an odd number doesn't use its manpower efficiently

that's why ppl say 9/0 cuz 9 infantry = 20 width

it's kinda complicated but that's the TLDR

i don't really understand the specifics of the combat width system i just know 20 or 40 width is the meta

[quasi osprey]

so this is ok

[high vector]

your organization will be higher if you replace the artillery with infantry

[quasi osprey]

yeah but attack is higher

[high vector]

and then put cavalry recon and support artillery for your support companies

[high vector]

organization is more important than attack cuz it's basically your HP

[terse skiff]

What are you even talking about

9 inf = 18w

[high vector]

if your units have higher org they will hold out longer against units with lower org

[terse skiff]

And odd number is absolutely ok the "meta" offensive width is 35, we do 36 because it's harder to get 35

[high vector]

put the fries in the bag bruh

[terse skiff]

And 20/40 width meta was pre nsb

Just go to pins in help channel it has template examples

[high vector]

i usually do 9 infantry with 1 line artillery which is 21 width and then cavalry recon, engineers & support artillery. that will beat anything the AI throws at it

[terse skiff]

Also line art is really bad

[high vector]

and the 1 line arty gives u that extra attack if u really want it

[terse skiff]

It doesn't really

Given the inf buffs and art debuffs in most terrain

[high vector]

yea that too

[terse skiff]

Or the less org that art gives

And ofc art costing way more and somehow costing 3 combat width

[high vector]

you get more raw defense + soft attack but you lose org and reliability and cost more supplies

and the terrain debuffs

[quasi osprey]

smth like this?

[terse skiff]

No line art gives you less attack

[high vector]

it gives u more soft attack in numbers than infantry

but not after the debuffs are added

[terse skiff]

There's a video in help channel pins that tells you why

[high vector]

yeah or replace that line arty with infantry, either or works

(i don't have issues using that template against the AI)

[terse skiff]

Also unless you know what you're doing with air you'll need aa

[clear dagger]

what is this cursed game

first norway owning north africa now this

[terse skiff]

Remove line art

[quasi osprey]

the non support one right?

[terse skiff]

Yes remove the line art

It's useless post 1939

[dusky burrow]

Uh... you're a decade late

[azure palm]

what

[dusky burrow]

like literally, you're a decade late to meta

[clear dagger]

oh sorry it doesnt say, belgium joined the comintern

while in the allies

[azure palm]

DEMOCRATIC BELIGUM?

[clear dagger]

yes

[dusky burrow]

We are literally 3 intervening combat width reforms later

[clear dagger]

idfk how

[quasi osprey]

[azure palm]

POLAND!

[quasi osprey]

hope this will be enough to stall them

[terse skiff]

Also i don't get how he says you should do 20/40 width and then say he keeps using a 21 width division

[azure palm]

I hope so too

is germany atleast defeated?

[quasi osprey]

although they arent attacking for some reSON

[azure palm]

I saw that

did they atleast give you slovakia?

[quasi osprey]

capslock was on sry

[quasi osprey]

its historical

[dusky burrow]

that's from the second combat width reform

[azure palm]

you play historical poland?

[quasi osprey]

yeah

[azure palm]

like the congressional path?

[terse skiff]

I just find it funny

[azure palm]

or castle or something

[dusky burrow]

There were a lot of 84/42 combat width terrain in there

[terse skiff]

Yeah back then tank divisions were like 42-44

[dusky burrow]

Yeah

[azure palm]

who cares about combat width? Just throw a full division of infantry against the enemy

[dusky burrow]

also you were punished more heavily for going over-combat width

1.5x versus our current 1x ratio

[terse skiff]

Sry I don't use inf divisions

[azure palm]

What else do you use?

tanks?

Trucks?

Cavalry?

[quasi osprey]

poland lithuania

[azure palm]

the monarchist path?

[quasi osprey]

should I do it?

[quasi osprey]

yes

[azure palm]

why not the russian one?

[quasi osprey]

idk

[ripe slate]

You didnt just manually justify a war goal with more than 1 state did you?

[azure palm]

how

[quasi osprey]

no

[terse skiff]

By producing enough stuff

Also zhukov was a mistake should have used a random lvl1 general

[high vector]

a decade since anyone cared 🙏

i was never an MP player anyways

u hardly need meta to kill the AI

[dusky burrow]

yeah if you have nsb you can largely overrun the ai with 39 width tanks

[clear dagger]

oh no i just realized with belgium joining the comintern now i have to fight both the allies and the soviets on my front at the same time

[dusky burrow]

Oof

rough for a luxembourger

[high vector]

they'll declare on eachother at some point

just lay low

the phoenix in the ashes....

[clear dagger]

great british infantry can just do 500 soft attack while attacking level 8 forts

[quasi osprey]

🤦

[graceful kayak]

am i not controlling all danish states?

[dusky burrow]

oof

[winged field]

that small south part

with germany

[dusky burrow]

maybe the forts are bombed out and they are using some form of engineers?

[dusky burrow]

faroe maybe

Yeah

It's definitely Faroe

[dry kayak]

genuine question: do you think that AI is really affected buy convoy raids around their terrirories/full blockades, or it's just a cosmetic for the player to believe that he's actually cutting off the trades?

[dusky burrow]

are you at war with the uk by the way?

[dusky burrow]

yes

it very much does affect their trades

they can't do much without resources

[dry kayak]

i did a match were i full blockades the convoys of all europe but they still spam everything with full divisions

[dusky burrow]

Infantry equipment only uses steel, which the UK has plenty of

Tanks can also use just steel

[dry kayak]

the issues was the spam of late jets that costs at least 50 prod points

and more over the oil needed to run all

[dusky burrow]

Yeah that can be an issue

[dry kayak]

btw i realized that i forgot in late games to select the motorized supply mode for in the brigade tab lol

[dusky burrow]

Raiders don't reduce IC output btw

[dry kayak]

IC?

[dusky burrow]

they reduce resource inputs, which then causes factories to run slower

industrial capacity

so basically production points

How many convoys are you killing per month btw

[dry kayak]

i dont think europe has enough oil to keep up 10 generals pushing on moscow

while all the seas are blockade

most of the oil trade is at east

which i controlled lol

i don't know if it worth to buy arms of the tyranny only for the MIO feature

[fair horizon]

Must be the cannon fodder infantry

[dry kayak]

500 soft attack is not a little bro ahahha

[fair horizon]

Why do you have so much oil consuming units then?

[dry kayak]

i was controlling the seas with like 300/400 ships? aahha

i tested the game

[jolly pier]

does anyone know any good division templates for Czechoslovakia? (I am playing with Rt56)

[dry kayak]

that's why i dont think the blockades are really effective with AI

[fair horizon]

Blockades are effective when they cant get oil to use their navy causing their stats to plummet

Or airforce

[dry kayak]

I just checked the map, EU can have barely 40 units of oil if isolated

but they kept more tons of division with motorized units and planes

[patent thistle]

bro, low blow,

[heavy vigil]

hii chat

[fierce ginkgo]

Going for 30 minutes of hell but it looks like Italians want to sabotage the Germans early on

[misty fossil]

berrys yummy

[zealous lynx]

Hey

Why is manchu civil war impossible

[safe wing]

It’s pretty hard

[heavy vigil]

like the war vs japan?

[safe wing]

You have to play it correctly

[zealous lynx]

Yes

[heavy vigil]

you just need stuff out, and research guns

[zealous lynx]

Lines too thin

[heavy vigil]

if you dont have the 39 gun you can try with arty

[safe wing]

How many divs do you have out?

[zealous lynx]

How do i make 3 consistent frontlines with 13 troops

[safe wing]

I have over 60

[heavy vigil]

ideally get the 39 gun before spawning in free units

[heavy vigil]

more guns

[zealous lynx]

Also i researched support eq

And some trucks

[heavy vigil]

dont make support equipment

its a waste

same for trucks really

[zealous lynx]

Why tho

[heavy vigil]

because less guns?

[zealous lynx]

Also can anybody help me with research

[heavy vigil]

and any available supports like suck

[zealous lynx]

In general

[heavy vigil]

ok so

[zealous lynx]

Not just manchuko

[heavy vigil]

you have 2 research slots

you put 1 on gun techs

1 on production techs

[zealous lynx]

Normally i just do industry + engineering + inf

[heavy vigil]

and you dont even think about doing anything else with those

[zealous lynx]

Is that like industry

[heavy vigil]

only left side

no construction

[zealous lynx]

Oh aight

Why tho

Construction helps repair my mils

[heavy vigil]

because you make more?

no, its not gonna pay off

you just need better guns, and more guns

you dont have the research for anything else with 3

2*

sorry

when you get 3 you go 2 slots on production/construction, maybe engineering (with third slot)

the first 2 remain in their role

[fierce ginkgo]

Well I got what I asked for and Ill probably fall any minute lol

[heavy vigil]

if you do a tank build you can get iw tanks and arty with it

similar for 4th slot

[zealous lynx]

But isn't engineering benificial

[heavy vigil]

if you have 5/6 you can decide if you want to spend 3 of the slots on air all game

[misty fossil]

equestria is at war???

[heavy vigil]

no?

its useful if youre gonna do tanks

for the terrain buffs

[zealous lynx]

Okay listen

[heavy vigil]

or for large inf, which you still need guns for first

small inf units its detrimental

[zealous lynx]

So when im playing regular 3 slots country

I normally jst do

Infantry

Industry

Engineering

And in engineering i do the thing that buffs my speed

I think its called electronics

[weak magnet]

is anti-tank worth it?

also, if for example I'd like to hold off against italy and germany as france, should I ensure all my troops have these, or simply a few and ensure they are on the front?

bc idk how battles work in terms of choosing this

like if i can guarantee my anti-tank infantry will be put as first line in the battle over the general infantry

[ripe slate]

Not in singleplayer afaik

[weak magnet]

ok i see

man i keep holding well but by 1942 as france germany always pierces me

or breaksthrough rather

[dry kayak]

for some reason they are winning.

they are not using the supplies

[copper cobalt]

Increasing difficulty should give every other country buffs on their military not reduce our pp gain

It just makes the game slow and annoying not hard

[zealous lynx]

Guys

Is there any fun country to play nowadays

I've been playing for like a month

And i feel like i already did everything

I made democratic Germany, German empire, greater hungary, split and reunited Yugoslavia, made yugoslavia communist, made hungary communist, made britain communist, made greece monarchist etc

[winged field]

european union?

[zealous lynx]

Nope

[safe wing]

Democratic King or Pope Italy

[winged field]

go for it then

[zealous lynx]

Yeah but i want to expand

And also who do i play

[clever shuttle]

30 mil casualties milestone, how much until they kind of like give up and i can push back

[pale flare]

navy AI finally fixed?

[winged field]

nah you just didnt have enough

[pale flare]

no i mean theyre actually sending them out now

my subs are getting battered too

[winged field]

they didnt for you before?

[pale flare]

yeah

[winged field]

like engage

[pale flare]

US especially pretty much just didnt send them out

[winged field]

interesting

[pale flare]

building decent fleets too

🤤

like so

[vital cove]

that sounds like you only played Europe

[patent thistle]

i love this path

[graceful kayak]

yes they took one little island but i got it now 🙂

[mighty niche]

hello

[mighty niche]

how does this happen?

[patent thistle]

i love this path

[patent thistle]

the eu path for germany

[mighty niche]

wow

[mighty niche]

ah

[patent thistle]

invite a nation in europe, and you slowly get to puppet and annex them through a decision

[mossy plover]

What's up with that anyway

[mighty niche]

alright

[mossy plover]

just how bad is AI supposedly?

[safe wing]

its a strategy game of course the AI is going to be bad

[pale flare]

basically they dont properly send out their fleets and whenever they do, its dogshit

to the point where its laughably easy to navally invade both britain and japan

[zealous lynx]

I did iran, china and manchuko too

[vital cove]

play india

or japan

or Chile

[zealous lynx]

I forgot to say i did

And got independence

[clever shuttle]

40 million casualtyies milestone, howwww mucchhhh moreeee??

[pastel urchin]

holy troops

[daring geyser]

did you know about the new army theater feature

it will make your screen less cancer to look at

[clever shuttle]

yeah but i dont really care, i dont even look at the screen anymore

one thing tho, how does uk have 11 million causlaties. but have 6 million in troops, are like 1/3 of their population in war

[misty fossil]

nice country name

[zealous lynx]

Hey guys

How do i beat japan as china hoi4

[static creek]

I think I know how to make italy competent, just add 1-2 artillery, focus on army tree then you're good

I pretty much destroyed france as italy without german interferance

no paratrooper dogplay

[weak magnet]

this isnt reliable right?

like the fact its only 28

they arent really doing anything to my organization

[static creek]

just good ol infantry and encirclement

[zealous lynx]

Also how do i halt my troops

[weak magnet]

H

I think pressing H does more than right clicking on their tile too it has a different effect

im not exactly sure tho

[heavy vigil]

dont listen to this guy, he sells drugs

[heavy vigil]

hiii haafy

[daring geyser]

i got some high quality paracetamol

[vital cove]

hii

[weak magnet]

why

[woeful knoll]

Genuinely how am i supposed to win this

Is this a restart

i love spanish civil war rng

[misty fossil]

bro got folded by republican pain

spain

[woeful knoll]

No bro

carlist uprising

im not losing to republicans restard

[knotty vortex]

how do you quickly win the spanish civil war

[brittle ridge]

Can you remove that only faction members on the same continent can join your faction?

[woeful knoll]

Good rng

or playing nationalists

ive never played republicans

so idk abt them

[heavy vigil]

its not rng tho

carlists rising up is a mission

[knotty vortex]

probably in faction rules

[ripe slate]

Yes, you need 1 faction influence point, then you go to all faction rules and click it to remove

[weak magnet]

nottt agaaaainnn

[daring geyser]

this the kinda spain build we get at mp matches ong

[daring geyser]

it's not rng

it always happens after a given amount of time

[brittle ridge]

Alright and do you also know if its possible to change faction name or do you need to dismantle it and make a new one?

[brittle ridge]

👍

[limpid field]

why is horses+tanks combo not meta

[daring geyser]

because mech and amphtracks exist

otherwise horses are better than mot

[limpid field]

guess what Germany used in real life

[limpid field]

made me wonder

[daring geyser]

if you want realistic hoi4 is not the game for you unfortunately

[limpid field]

would elephants+tanks be good

[daring geyser]

i too would prefer if hoi4 was actually good

[limpid field]

aren't elephants already op

[daring geyser]

yeah they're overpowered

[heavy vigil]

slop

[limpid field]

i know some realistic mods for the game

no

[weak magnet]

help me c asey

casey

[daring geyser]

black ice doesnt make the game realistic in my experience it just makes it really really bloated

[heavy vigil]

no, the game inherently uses systems that cant enact reality of tactical combat

[daring geyser]

you can still do utterly unrealistic bs in it like sealion in the big 1940

[daring geyser]

not even just tactical inaccuracies the game cant even accurately strategically simulate the whole war

[limpid field]

why can't enemy soldiers flee the battle and switch sides

[weak magnet]

as france do i need to just give up corsica and africa if defending?

I have no clue what im doing wrong

[heavy vigil]

well yes, it cant simulate the war because on a tactical level its wrong

[limpid field]

well they can but only for 2 countries

[weak magnet]

I hold fine, even cycling troops, but they always breach

[daring geyser]

the game where france is easy as hell to hold against germany

[weak magnet]

I think my forts get damaged

[heavy vigil]

make mils

[weak magnet]

How tf do i beat that aye

Like my forts get damaged

[heavy vigil]

dont make forts

theyre bad

[limpid field]

well like in real life

[weak magnet]

theyre ok

for sp

[limpid field]

france isnt really attacking

[heavy vigil]

no

stronghold networks are ok

but forts suck

[weak magnet]

-85% debuf in attack

[limpid field]

still useless

[weak magnet]

bro

[heavy vigil]

not even real

[weak magnet]

im not joking

thats literally what it was

level 8 fort

[limpid field]

would spend that breakthrough for flamethrowers or armored support

[heavy vigil]

a lot of units get buffs, and this goes down when attacked from multiple sides too

[weak magnet]

but then it went away bc it got damaged

[heavy vigil]

and they get damaged

all of that

theyre bad

[weak magnet]

so

how do i slow down

[heavy vigil]

you could have multiple mils instead

[weak magnet]

the breakthrough

I do have multiple mils

[heavy vigil]

make equipment

[weak magnet]

I have 80

i do

My template probably isnt great

But

[heavy vigil]

you could have significantly more without the forts

[limpid field]

better division templates

and air dominance

[weak magnet]

Well

Not substantially

[heavy vigil]

yes substantially

[weak magnet]

It did not take a lot of factory output for these forts

[heavy vigil]

because mil efficiency also exists

[daring geyser]

you can hold france without attacking germany even once

the issue with france was that its army was fundamentally outdated and its management was bureaucratic and slow, whilst in hoi4 these issues don't affect anything besides being harder to get doctrine, and even that can be fixed easily

[limpid field]

bureaucracy isnt really an issue in hoi4 because you are the bureaucracy

[ripe slate]

Dont think you can change it

[limpid field]

you are playing the leader, the government and the people at the same time

[daring geyser]

but if you want anything remotely realistic the game SHOULD take bureaucracy into account

and it does try in some cases

[weak magnet]

the game is scripted

[daring geyser]

being pretty bad at most of it

[weak magnet]

there is no such thing as bureacracy because you are it

[limpid field]

already said it

[weak magnet]

its bad because its scripted

[daring geyser]

but there should be my man

thats my point

[weak magnet]

youd need the focuses system to go byebye for that

[heavy vigil]

vic3

[weak magnet]

or rather

more complicated diplomacy

and internal diplomacy too

[limpid field]

i really want to try the game but its too hard

[daring geyser]

i was just commenting on how fundamentally flawed hoi4 is as a simulator game

cuz it isnt

[weak magnet]

yes

[heavy vigil]

can we have journal entries in hoi4

[limpid field]

people told me hoi4 is hard but its one of the easiest

[weak magnet]

it is flawed tho

as a simulator

[heavy vigil]

you click green button

[daring geyser]

yes

[heavy vigil]

tbf its a bit annoying to learn

but like not that bad

vic3 just has an awful tech system and mid war system

[weak magnet]

na france is too hard i swear

im like stupid or something

cuz wtf

but i guess they stopped pushing so i did something right

[heavy vigil]

its not that bad if you dont make forts

[weak magnet]

dude

[limpid field]

none of the majors are hard

[heavy vigil]

and take the rhineland

[daring geyser]

it's easy as hell

[weak magnet]

ye maybe

i dont really like

[limpid field]

is china counted as a major

[weak magnet]

know the minmaxxing

[heavy vigil]

no

[weak magnet]

so i guess thats why

[daring geyser]

there are no countries in this game which are hard in singleplayer, only countries which take more time consumption

[clever shuttle]

i will defend my old enemy to death

[limpid field]

well its still special

[knotty vortex]

why is tech juggling useful

[weak magnet]

yeah ofc

[limpid field]

thr only minor with an option to strengthen it

[weak magnet]

ive done much harder

[clever shuttle]

iceland

[daring geyser]

you don't need minmaxxing to hold against the ai

[weak magnet]

this is exactly what i mean

if u need a guide

to do something

[heavy vigil]

well you asked

[weak magnet]

ur playing it wrong

no but seriously

what is the point i dont understand the enjoyment of that

[heavy vigil]

you dont have to use it

[weak magnet]

nono i know