hoi4-general

[atomic grove]

you get very shitty debuffs

like -30% org or more

and also reinforce rate, consumer goods, etc.

[mystic nest]

insane

[hollow silo]

u can disable it in game rules

[atomic grove]

except i cant

too late

i cant change game rules mid way

[scarlet pier]

anyone know why my minelayers arent laying mines? im running road to 56 + rp

been in the waters for about a month and no mines layed

[dusky burrow]

are you at war

[scarlet pier]

yea

[dusky burrow]

hover over the sea zone, what does it say

[dusky burrow]

also i'd add another mine rail if you could

[scarlet pier]

kk

[dusky burrow]

okay that's odd

[scarlet pier]

any ideas?

it has happened like 2 games in a row

?

[maiden bolt]

your ordering your ships to lay mines

[scarlet pier]

yea

[maiden bolt]

laying mines doesnt gives you domiance

use patral

[scarlet pier]

ok I dont want dominance

I want mines lol

[dusky burrow]

mines have their use

basically the main thing they do is making naval invasions more difficult

mines really don't sink or damage ships at all

[scarlet pier]

I know

its just not letting me lay em

[maiden bolt]

Fun fact: u can use patral to do naval invasions

[maiden bolt]

maybe ur ordering your ships to clear the mines

[maiden bolt]

oh

then idk

[scarlet pier]

neither

[maiden bolt]

[dusky burrow]

this is what it's supposed to look like

and this is my bar right now

so idk what's goign on

[scarlet pier]

yea with a mine icon underneath the minelaying task saying how mnay mines

ive done it before

I just dont know why its not working rn

could it be road to 56?

[maiden bolt]

well sometimes mods can bug your game

[scarlet pier]

vanilla?

[heavy vigil]

you can only minelay while at war

[dusky burrow]

yeah i'm on vanilla

[dusky burrow]

well you can't even click the button without being at war

[scarlet pier]

yea idk then

maybe 56 cooks it

[maiden bolt]

maybe one of your mods making your game bug

[dusky burrow]

56 should not cook it tbh

the other mod is an RP mod

that might do it, but i doubt it

[heavy vigil]

did you select a zone

[scarlet pier]

yea

[heavy vigil]

rip

[maiden bolt]

bruh

maybe

one of your

mods

is making

your game

bug

holy

[dusky burrow]

stop spamming

[scarlet pier]

im running 56, 56 rp and 1.5x focus

[heavy vigil]

lets not spam

[dusky burrow]

i would check 56rp

well, that first

then 56, then 1.5x focus

[fair horizon]

Its so fun though

[maiden bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/i-guess-bro-i-guess-bro-bro-what-whatever-you-say-gif-16572066316579867256

[dusky burrow]

italy minelaying in the channel during ethiopian war be like

[maiden bolt]

let me invade iran in peace

[fair horizon]

Yeah that doesnt mean its working though. Even ones i have after a war ending minelaying dont continue after it ends but the icon stays

[scarlet pier]

ive tried undoing and redoing and stil nothing

[maiden bolt]

bro

[fair horizon]

Are you at war?

[scarlet pier]

yea

[maiden bolt]

your mods could made your game bug out

[fair horizon]

How many ships minelay in that fleet?

[maiden bolt]

one of*

[scarlet pier]

13

[fair horizon]

show me the top of the fleet

[dusky burrow]

even with 4 destroyers you should be minelaying at least 1 mine per day

[scarlet pier]

wym

[fair horizon]

Does it say no accessible zones?

Red text

Might be set to the wrong base

[dusky burrow]

it doesn't

but could still be wrong base

[scarlet pier]

they at the base that is bordering the sea

[fair horizon]

Dunno then, check the design mabye? Could be bugged

[scarlet pier]

ye idk

bouta give up on it

[mystic nest]

sack mines then

[scarlet pier]

🙁

[maiden bolt]

@scarlet pier one of your mods can bug your game out

holy

[dusky burrow]

I mean, yeah

check if one of the mods is causing your ships not to lay down mines

It is extremely likely that an RP mod would disable some features

I don't know about 56RP, but HMM disables CAS subdoctrine

[fair horizon]

Could be that you're allowed to do the job but dont actually have any ships capable if you havent checked their design

[dusky burrow]

they've checked

also if they don't have ships that can do minelaying they can't click the button

[fair horizon]

Yeah i figured but it was always worth asking

[heavy vigil]

minelaying value set to 0 for rp prob

[fair horizon]

Why would RP mods disable that?

Like is it just so people dont do it in mp?

[mystic nest]

no fun allowed

[heavy vigil]

its OP

[low dock]

I got 2 NUKES

Before germany

And uk

And idk how to use them

[fair horizon]

Nuke russia for fun

[low dock]

Russia diedm

Died

[mystic nest]

1956??

[low dock]

Ye?

Im playing poland

100% fasict in axis

[mystic nest]

strat bombers or missile launch silos

but like

[maiden bolt]

make America big again

[mystic nest]

nukes arent that useful in singleplayer

you never actually NEED them

the enemy air force is ass

the enemy port defenses are ass

[low dock]

It's 1956

I didn't have anything to do

[native holly]

???

[mystic nest]

start a new run

[native holly]

yes they are?

[maiden bolt]

i would need them if north korea Nukes me and i will nuke them back

[mystic nest]

is there a situation in singleplayer wher ea nuke is required?

[native holly]

no but that doesnt make them any less useful...?

[mystic nest]

where its literally undoable or extremely hard without a nuke

no but you usually win before you get nukes

[native holly]

like you dont NEED them but theyre a huge advantage still?

[low dock]

Allies are just banging themselves at us

[mystic nest]

if nukes are still a game changer by the time you get them as like anyone except america then smth is wrong

[native holly]

but how does that make them any less useful

[fair horizon]

Achievements

[mystic nest]

well its like getting something really useful really late on

if you got nukes in 36 theyd obviously be insanely useful

[native holly]

i didnt say game changer im just saying theyre still useful, they're excited just let them have fun

[mystic nest]

in 44 or 45?? ehh

[native holly]

holy shit this community is so cringe

[low dock]

Can someone teach me how to use nukes?

[mystic nest]

i never said that they werent fun to use

i just said theyre not useful

[low dock]

I broke my mouse

[mystic nest]

i love nuking stuff for fun

[maiden bolt]

especially north korea right?

[mystic nest]

strat bombers or missile launch silos

[mystic nest]

i usually just pepper major cities with them or airfields

[low dock]

How?

[mystic nest]

do you have any strat bombers?

[craggy trail]

You have to use the new raid feature to set nuclear strikes

[low dock]

I got bombers

But

[mystic nest]

fair i meant in gameplay

[mystic nest]

but?

[low dock]

Idk how to use them

[mystic nest]

do you know how to do raids

[low dock]

No

[mystic nest]

that thing on the bottom right

[maiden bolt]

u need to research the nuke thingy

[mystic nest]

of your screen

on top of the bajillions of little buttons

[maiden bolt]

and then you gotta research the project

for it

[mystic nest]

he has them

[maiden bolt]

then click on north korea

[mystic nest]

hes just asking how to deploy it

[maiden bolt]

and nuke north korea

[mystic nest]

lmao

true

but if youre asking like when to actually use nukes

[maiden bolt]

and kim jong un is dead

and im happy

[mystic nest]

drop them on an airfield to kill the planes

or if you somehow cant get into a port

[low dock]

Now what?

[mystic nest]

drop it onto the port

[mystic nest]

click the raids thing

bottom right

of your screen

[maiden bolt]

oh and first

[mystic nest]

should look like a wing

[low dock]

I dont see em

[mystic nest]

can you send a screnshot

are you on windows or mac

taking a photo of the screen isnt the best

[mystic nest]

its right there

bottom right

looks like a wing

and theres an atom below it

[low dock]

Strategic air mao mode?

[maiden bolt]

click on the nuclear raids and right click on the target u want to nuke

then wait 30 days

[mystic nest]

yes

yes

[maiden bolt]

after 30 days is up

[mystic nest]

then it will nuke

[maiden bolt]

u can nuke that plave

place

[mystic nest]

and done

[low dock]

This?

[maiden bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-bro-really-omg-wow-gif-21835931

[mystic nest]

no

click the atom

[low dock]

Did

[mystic nest]

the helly??

i havent used nukes in a while but it should like

you should be able to click the wing / atom

then click on a tile

where itll create a small floating tab above that tile with a list of actions you ccan do

[maiden bolt]

do you have bombers in your stockpile

[low dock]

Yes

[maiden bolt]

first click on the nuclear raids

then right click on the place u wanna nuke

wait for 30 days

then their

there*

im gonna invade chile for resources

[clear dagger]

I shall attempt my most daring challenge yet:

killing 1 billion people as luxembourg

[mystic nest]

insanity

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/legendary-battle-worthy-opponent-finally-a-worthy-opponent-our-battle-will-be-legendary-gif-14616660

[maiden bolt]

looks like the naz american party isnt doing well for me😥

[hexed silo]

made the super latvia tank

[mystic nest]

latvian industry!!

but for real why are you making tanks with 3 mils available lol

and a 2k deficit of inf eq

[hexed silo]

because last time i played the soviet tanks destroyed me

[sharp sierra]

look at his hand in the reflection

[hexed silo]

i had 0 tanks

[opal nymph]

Sometimes anti tank is what you need

[mystic nest]

never in singleplayer

[opal nymph]

Well in this case, anti air

[mystic nest]

tahts not a tank problem

dont make tanks as latvia

[dusky burrow]

yeah you need anti-air tbh

[opal nymph]

Let me finish my thought please

[mystic nest]

you have no industry

[dusky burrow]

you need more anti-air now

[mystic nest]

fair

[hexed silo]

im building it

[mystic nest]

not enough

every single mil you build as latvia needs to go into supplying your infantry

[opal nymph]

Not state AA, get towed anti air

Or are you producing it

[mystic nest]

tanks are a luxury

[hexed silo]

im building bunkers also on the soviet border

[mystic nest]

no

land forts are useless

put that ic into mils

[opal nymph]

If you want forts, save it for later. Build up industry now

Forts can wait last second

Forts can help for the initial blow, but they get vaporized easily nowadays

[mystic nest]

ive never built forts except when larping

its funny to larp extended maginot france but thats about all land forts are used for

coastal forts are good

light tanks unless if very heavily invested into get vaporised by mediums anyway

[hexed silo]

well im not making whole tank groups just attching them to divisions

[mystic nest]

nono no

[opal nymph]

Light recon for infantry isnt needed

[mystic nest]

thats not good

youre making space marines but like

with light tanks

[opal nymph]

What's the purpose for light tanks

[mystic nest]

the point of light tanks i their speed

[dire lark]

guys how to start with this game

[mystic nest]

if you slap it into an inf div it gets rid of literally the 1 reason to ever use light tanks

[opal nymph]

Do you have dlc or not

If you do, turn them off initially

[dire lark]

And then?

[opal nymph]

Then play the tutorial and do reading

[mystic nest]

eh keep the designers and copy designs

itll make his life easier with minimal effort

[opal nymph]

I'm helping him fight the Ethiopia war

[dire lark]

I couldn't understand it :(

[opal nymph]

BBA makes the Ethiopia war pain

[mystic nest]

dont start with italy honestly

italy is a pain

[opal nymph]

It tells you the buttons to press and such

[opal nymph]

I think it is good to learn the controls and get to fighting immediately

Then you play a different country

[mystic nest]

no thats what everyone says but the first hting people should learn is macro not micro

[opal nymph]

What was confusing in particular

Saying everything doesn't narrow it down

[mystic nest]

theres no point teaching someone encirclements supply air support if their economy is ass

[opal nymph]

It teaches what the buttons do

Then you switch to another country

[mystic nest]

all they need to know is frontline orders and offensive lines

and you can explain those two in like a minute

[opal nymph]

Not production lines?

[mystic nest]

thats part of macro

[opal nymph]

The tutorial teaches you that

[mystic nest]

learn everything in the macro first

[opal nymph]

Tells you how to go through the notification bar and such

[opal nymph]

That's what the tutorial does

Tells you how to set up production, recruit divisions, and build stuff

[mystic nest]

when does the tutorial end?

[opal nymph]

Once you cap ethiopia

[mystic nest]

playing out as italy is terrible

[opal nymph]

Then you keep playing if you want

[mystic nest]

aight then its not too bad but ethiopia has crap supply

[opal nymph]

Turning off BBA means Ethiopia only has 13 divisions

That are 8 widths

You can roll them with air support

[mystic nest]

yeah then thats fair enough but i would never suggset italy to any beginner

they have too much stuff to do and get punished too heavily for not doing it

[opal nymph]

The official hoi4 channel has a video tutorial btw

[opal nymph]

I only see the tutorial as you playing it until Ethiopia is capped

[mystic nest]

then thats alright but its a bad nation to continue playing with

[opal nymph]

Meanwhile poor dreamkiller is just watching us argue over the tutorial lol

While still confused on what to do

[mystic nest]

getting hit with ten trillion naval invasions because you dont know how naval dominance works cant be fun for any new player

the best way is to just hop into a vc and screenshare

thats the best tutorial anyone can get

there will always be stuff that isnt clarified in a video and stuff thats outdated

[opal nymph]

True

[misty fossil]

67 naval invasioms

[mystic nest]

average italy experience

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-impact-third-impact-3rd-impact-truth-nuke-anime-meme-gif-9672669363915948084

[mystic nest]

i get genuinely confused everytime i see someone tell a new player to start with italy

they just want to feed the british an easy game lmao

even germany has it less rough at the start

[misty fossil]

ngl america might be the best start idk

or japan

There really isnt an easy country if you think about it

maybe play a minor nation and figure out the hang of it while the ai does the heavy lifting

like canada

[mystic nest]

problem with america is if the american player is ass then the allies get cooked

[misty fossil]

yeah

[mystic nest]

and it shares a problem with japan where navy like

navy is just generally not the most popular thing for new players

[misty fossil]

japan is a bit tricky

yeah

[mystic nest]

naval inavsions are infinitely harder to manage than just fighting on land yeah

[opal nymph]

I think Hungary is an okay country to learn mechanics with

You get a bunch of free stuff and be an axis assist

Germany is best major to learn too

[mystic nest]

brazil is funny but it teaches you very bad habits

[opal nymph]

Since Germany is quite powerful

[mystic nest]

you never get punished fora nything as brazil

lost your entire navy?? no problem

lost 3 million men?? heres another ten million

lost a buncha equipment??you have 350 factories without even taking any enemy territory

[opal nymph]

Average new Germany player

• buffs the crap out of tanks and armored divisions
• uses outdated infantry template as main offensive division and battleplans
• uses default tank template
• has like 5 factories on fighters
• wonders why they are stuck at Belgium

[misty fossil]

Thats me lol

My first ger game i couldnt push past belgium

[opal nymph]

That's all of us

[mystic nest]

my first ger game i cleared europe and norway but couldnt sealion and got destroyed by dday

[opal nymph]

Well 2/3

[mystic nest]

and id idnt know i had to support italy so italy got railed

[opal nymph]

The other 1/3 die because they didn't garrison the French border

[mystic nest]

lol

i copied bittersteels guide

for my first game

so it went pretty well until i actually had to do stuff he didnt mention in the guide

then it all went to shit

[opal nymph]

Guides? I never really used them and just trialed and errored

[mystic nest]

i used guides yeah

[opal nymph]

My first successful sea lion was playing as Romania lol

Idk how

It just was

[mystic nest]

i did succesful seaslion like my third run as germany

first run died before i could cap ussr

second run capped usssr pretty much and died to allies

third run finally a sealion but got stuck in canada

[opal nymph]

I knew someone who instantly died to the allies and just decided to continue playing as Federal Republic of Germany and do operation barbarossa with the Allies helping him

[north merlin]

how do i get 400k man power in field fast as romania at the start of the game?

i tried doing cavalry but i js dont' ahven enough production with 7 mills

[opal nymph]

Force deploy divisions

[north merlin]

i tried building more but i got too little cives

[north merlin]

can't

[dire lark]

There are 2 tutorials, which one do you suggest or it doesn't matter?

[north merlin]

i've b een training for a year now and the first division haven't even finished yet

[opal nymph]

Beginners

The most recent beginners one

Let me post it for you here

[mystic nest]

dyou want to hop in vc or hop in a pve game

thats probably the best way to learn

[mystic nest]

i reemmber bittersteel didnt mention italy at all i swear

or maybe my memory was bad

[opal nymph]

I do suggest you hop into a vc and learn the game from someone. Best way to learn

[mystic nest]

so i was so shocked when i saw britain was entering france from the south lol

[opal nymph]

If you cant, watch the video

[mystic nest]

new german player canon event

[dire lark]

I appreciate it but I can't do it now sadly

[dire lark]

Thanks!!

[cedar lance]

omg

i literally cannot play hoi4

not even with Mods

[mystic nest]

why lol

[cedar lance]

man idk

like it keeps crashing

[mystic nest]

oof

[cedar lance]

i literally dont know how to fix it

[maiden bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/my-pc-windows-error-windows-error-gif-18869735

[maiden bolt]

ik how to fix it

[cedar lance]

oh yeah?

[maiden bolt]

yea click Alt4

[cedar lance]

what

no

[maiden bolt]

im not finish yet then sell your laptop

and buy a pc

or

buy a pc

and u can also buy a pc

[subtle wharf]

Is there a way to distance yourself from Italy as Germany

[tulip thorn]

You could just decline their invitation to the axis

Leave them to die

Will make your life a tiny bit harder if you are a newer player

[subtle wharf]

They keep declaring on Switzerland and killing my entire game

I’m up focusing on taking Denmark and Norway and all of a sudden I have UK and French troops pushing me from the South

So annoying

[tulip thorn]

That is pretty annoying

Kill france first btw

[cedar lance]

hello tank

[tulip thorn]

go through the Benelux and kill france as quick as possible

[subtle wharf]

Thankfully I saved right before I started invading Norway

Yeah I’m gonna just reload the save

[tulip thorn]

Denmark and norway arent really worth the time

Denmark has nothing, and norway have very little

[subtle wharf]

15 hours in and I’ve gone from taking 6 months to defeat Poland to less than a month

[cedar lance]

i dont like annexing the northern european countries

[subtle wharf]

So I’m pretty happy with that

[subtle wharf]

I want their airbases

[cedar lance]

i just make them into RKs

[subtle wharf]

Naval bomber spam

[tulip thorn]

Benelux and france have better airbases

[subtle wharf]

Yeah I’m so glad I saved

But I believe Swiss still joins the Allie’s

Allies

[cedar lance]

should i make more of my conquered lands into RKs as Germany?

[tulip thorn]

They dont always join the allies, but its not uncommon

[cedar lance]

can someone answer

[tulip thorn]

They arent really worth making tbh

You do lose factories and resources

[cedar lance]

alr

so just fully annex

?

[subtle wharf]

Any actions to take so they are less likely to join?

[tulip thorn]

if you are playing optimally just keep the land

[tulip thorn]

Sadly no

[subtle wharf]

Argh

[cedar lance]

alr

thx

[tulip thorn]

But if you prefer larp make them

Like how I do

[subtle wharf]

Whenever they do I always get pushed by France and UK thru Switzerland

[tulip thorn]

The best way to prevent this is to kill france as quick as possible

[subtle wharf]

Yeah true

[tulip thorn]

Just rush them down through the Benelux

[cedar lance]

alr

[tulip thorn]

France is hard coded to die to both german and player ai

[cedar lance]

how do if fix the crashing issues in hoi4

[subtle wharf]

I finished Poland in July of 39 so I will prob wait until Jan of 40 to get my units resupplied

[tulip thorn]

They purposely suck

[misty fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFxxsxumIkY lmao this guy played until 2100 in MD

[subtle wharf]

I gotta build supply hubs and shit over there

[tulip thorn]

I would not wish this on my biggest enemy 💔

[misty fossil]

bro plays on a quantum supercomputer

[tulip thorn]

He is playing with alien tech

Nothing on earth can run that

[misty fossil]

🥀

[misty fossil]

100 divisions on each tile bro

[tulip thorn]

Oh my god

What could possibly push through that

Literal org wall

[misty fossil]

😭

[cedar lance]

does hoi4 crash for anyone else?

[misty fossil]

no

[tulip thorn]

This is what rise of nations devs expect players to do

[maiden bolt]

tbh ur pc are js shit

[tulip thorn]

its probably your pc

[misty fossil]

the roblox game?

[tulip thorn]

What are your specs?

[tulip thorn]

God no

The mod

[misty fossil]

oh

[cedar lance]

uhm hold on

[misty fossil]

the 100 year mod?

[tulip thorn]

Think it goes from 1900 to 2060

[misty fossil]

oh my god

i need to check on it again

[tulip thorn]

Yeah

[misty fossil]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3693700538 wtf

[tulip thorn]

Shit lags for me by 1912 lmao

Still more playable than md or tno

[cedar lance]

my gaming laptop is GOOD ENOUGH

[tulip thorn]

Specs?

It best not be like a geforce 210 💔

[maiden bolt]

bro im using a regular laptop and somehow i can run gta good

💔

[tulip thorn]

Wdym regular laptop

Like office

With a Igpu

[misty fossil]

ron is buggy anyway apparently

oh well i had my hopes up for a bit

[tulip thorn]

its not fun

[misty fossil]

really

[tulip thorn]

Not in the slightest

I see the vision

[cedar lance]

@tulip thorn

[maiden bolt]

i ment to say im using a laptop thats i3 and doesnt have a graphics card

and somehow i can run gta minecraft hoi4 good

[tulip thorn]

Not the worst cpu

Do you have an actual gpu?

Check task manager

[cedar lance]

uhm idk

[misty fossil]

1000 divisions encircled lmao

omg

[tulip thorn]

hold control+shift+escape all at the same time

it will open task manager

[maiden bolt]

that has to be like 1million or 2million

[misty fossil]

more like 10m

[tulip thorn]

Holy cpu temps

[maiden bolt]

what are you playing against 💔

[misty fossil]

but there's another one 😭

[tulip thorn]

Go to performance tab in task manager, and if you have an actual gpu it should be at the bottom

[misty fossil]

@maiden bolt

literal gem alert

[cedar lance]

alr

[misty fossil]

bro played MD for 100 years

[cedar lance]

uhm @tulip thorn i dont have a actual gpu sadly

[tulip thorn]

Damn

[maiden bolt]

ive turn america into a american nazi party in md

[misty fossil]

real

[tulip thorn]

yeah you are limited by your ram

[cedar lance]

hoi4 worked fine for me before

[tulip thorn]

Ram issues are crashing the game

Its trying to use to much

[maiden bolt]

maybe optimze your gaming laptop

like getting rip of temps files

and doing other stuff

maybe thats why i can be able to run gta good

[misty fossil]

1b casualties

[copper cobalt]

The lion of Damascus in the zoo of mersin

[raven lava]

Haha hey guys I noticed theres still no Mengkukuo focus tree is there ever gonna be one

[copper cobalt]

The ability to max out the spirit of Genghis for 20$

[misty fossil]

not in 10 years

[tulip thorn]

Probably never

[cedar lance]

i dont have the Money rn to buy a NEW better gaming laptop

[clear dagger]

peak quotes paradox. "NUTS!" - Adolf Hitler 1936

[tulip thorn]

Yeah there isnt much to make hoi4 run any better

[cedar lance]

what

then what to i do

[tulip thorn]

Try to clear cache

Delete all old saves

Hell maybe even reinstall the game

[cedar lance]

alr

[craggy trail]

🌲 Tree Hugger

[devout barn]

guys give me a coutnry and a path to play

[tulip thorn]

Yep

Just a temp thing because of a server im in

[craggy trail]

Monarchist Japan

[devout barn]

i already played that last time

[tulip thorn]

Monarchist italy with the pope roman empire

Superheavy tank build

[devout barn]

i will try to form the roman empire

[dusky burrow]

how many tanks does everyone have?

[misty fossil]

i dont know

[lilac ginkgo]

enough for a lifetime

how are they even able to produce that many tanks

[dusky burrow]

are you using heavy tanks btw

[misty fossil]

its MD

its a screenshot

not my game

[lilac ginkgo]

Yes but its still very crazy

How can they produce so many tanks that their 200 divs of tanks never run out

[misty fossil]

prolly by having 500 mils just for tanks

[lilac ginkgo]

well im p sure Saudi Arabia has like 100 tanks

In the screenshot

[misty fossil]

lmao

[lilac ginkgo]

So thats kinda impossible

But i guess bro

And who in the hell plays MD in mp

thats just hell

[misty fossil]

Md is hell

[dusky burrow]

equestria in three pieces

[craggy trail]

I pretty much took over Northern Equus after the Changelings defeated Equestria on the mainland

[dusky burrow]

ah i see

[craggy trail]

12.23 million

Still need to build these things

[misty fossil]

scraping the barrel is crazy

[craggy trail]

I can actually go down a few conscription levels for the extra factory output

[south mountain]

Is this mod good?

Do you recommend?

[misty fossil]

its excellent

[craggy trail]

It kinda sucks going concentrated industry

[misty fossil]

is there no other way to get manpower

[craggy trail]

No besides increasing monthly population

[misty fossil]

wow

[craggy trail]

The main thing is increasing suppression and using hospital companies

[misty fossil]

medium tanks are the best for suppression since you take fewer losses than light tanks

at least according to casey

[misty fossil]

if you're using any tank designer mod you can make it dirt cheap anyway

cant you get some garrison manpower from your alliance

[dusky burrow]

there's a trade off

you need less ic if you're doing the light tank strategy

but you lose less ic over time if you're doing the medium tank strategy

i don't know how many years it will take for you to break even with medium tanks

[misty fossil]

i see

[craggy trail]

Zoomers

[misty fossil]

800km range

[dusky burrow]

48% hardness light tank - 3.15 ic * 60
80% hardness light tank - 3.60 ic * 60
85% hardness medium - 4.80 ic * 50

[misty fossil]

replace radio with drop tank

[dusky burrow]

actually, 95% hardness heavies might be a better bet

9.2 ic * 40

You see, the damage you get is proportional to divisional softness

[misty fossil]

i see

[dusky burrow]

wait a minute

it apparently caps at 90% hardness

so

[misty fossil]

when i designed my garrison tank i chose whatever netted me the lowest ic so it didnt have a lot of hardness

[dusky burrow]

actually this is slightly worse than the medium tank

[misty fossil]

?

[dusky burrow]

The garrison template's hardness reduces both types of damage by -1% per 1% hardness, capped at a maximum of -90%[34] at 90% hardness or more. This reduction occurs regardless of the actual equipment the garrison has available.

from the wiki page on it

[twilit lotus]

How do you know if your army is built up enough to win a war feel like I lose a lot cause I wait to long to declare

[misty fossil]

if you prepared and still failed then you did something seriously wrong

show me your plane template

[dusky burrow]

so no heavy tanks aren't the best garrison tank

[misty fossil]

winning the air war is a decisive factor in winning the war itself, esp against late game alliances like axis or allies

[dusky burrow]

depends on your build

[misty fossil]

lmao that sucks

[misty fossil]

i mean if he uses light mgs then even if he has a billion mils on planes hes not gonna win

[craggy trail]

I usually keep a direction finder for night penalty bonus. I know drop tanks is more optimal for the extra range

[misty fossil]

more range gives you better mission efficiency

[dusky burrow]

to the contrary, some tank builds allow you to win without air

[craggy trail]

Yeah

[misty fossil]

why are you using rockets anywa

[dusky burrow]

true, although i don't know the size of air regions in eaw

[misty fossil]

they're quite big

i always aim for minimum 1000km of range

thats why i never bother with rocket engines

[misty fossil]

examples?

ive never seen a game where you wins without also winning the air

except for bittersteel

[dusky burrow]

well

(this is an mp template so that's why there's armored engineers awkwardly there)

[misty fossil]

whats wrong with armoured engineers

they give terrain and fort stats for tanks and mechs

[dusky burrow]

assault engineers are better

[misty fossil]

why 39w

[dusky burrow]

larger divisions have higher hp which means less losses per battle

[misty fossil]

makes sense

[dusky burrow]

also you should probably replace the armored signals (which are good) with logistics (which will reduce losses further)

[oak kestrel]

if i want to use this can i lleft out the AA trucks?

or whats the benefit of usinng them?

[dusky burrow]

you don't need them

[oak kestrel]

and what platform i should make the spg's on?

[dusky burrow]

in red air there is a breakthrough debuff of 35% under max red air

[oak kestrel]

like what tank chasis

[dusky burrow]

interwar will be fine

3 aa reduces that from 35% to 0%

[oak kestrel]

with howitzer?

[dusky burrow]

highest howitzer available

as for you, the average singleplayer player, 1152 * (1 - 0.35) = 749 breakthrough is likely enough

but will get you hurt in multiplayer

[misty fossil]

you only need AA trucks if you expect to lose the air war, which can happen as germany against the allies or sov against ger

[dusky burrow]

also the AA trucks kill enemy CAS

which is also really nice

you might want to keep them for that reason

but you do want at least 55 air attack so that CAS deals minimal org damage

[oak kestrel]

ok

[misty fossil]

AA trucks reduce cas damage taken by your division and minimise penalty to your attack stats

[oak kestrel]

i might use it today or tomorrow on mp that i do with my friends

how many of those should i get and how many mils on it

also should i make the spg only concentrate on soft attack/breakthrough or whats the good template

[misty fossil]

idk i never bother with mp

depends on how smart your friends are ig

[lilac ginkgo]

AA isnt worth it in a normal division

[oak kestrel]

theres guys with 2000+ hours

[lilac ginkgo]

its good enough for a port/line holding division if you re in MP

[oak kestrel]

and i have around 550

[lilac ginkgo]

but normal divisions dont need AA

[dusky burrow]

eh

[misty fossil]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jon-hamm-jonhamm

[dusky burrow]

you really want the aa

[misty fossil]

cooked

[dusky burrow]

especially in a red air build

[misty fossil]

damn im itching for more hoi4 gameplay

[lilac ginkgo]

yes but just use the AA for your line holders not your main divisions

and its useless in singleplayer

[dusky burrow]

you still want them for your main divisions because you get hit by CAS

[lilac ginkgo]

i personally dont do it that way

[dusky burrow]

so idk what this is about

[lilac ginkgo]

ive got a decent main division without AA, decent air and then a secondary division thats just 3x3s with AA AT and support arty

[misty fossil]

yeah nah

[lilac ginkgo]

for mp

for singleplayer you dont need it

why would i use aa in my main divisions

maybe support AA at best

[dusky burrow]

you'll be hit with 100% of CAS damage instead of 25%

[lilac ginkgo]

in MP sure but in singleplayer it doesnt matter

and line AA is still not good for a normal division

[dusky burrow]

line aa is fine for a normal division

[lilac ginkgo]

alright your opinion is your opinion

[misty fossil]

i mean

[lilac ginkgo]

i cant change it

[misty fossil]

thats like sov meta

[dusky burrow]

i mean i think i made my point

[lilac ginkgo]

that wont change my mind

[misty fossil]

its not just his opinion

shrug

[lilac ginkgo]

i still do just fine with no aa

[dusky burrow]

yeah sov meta is 9 * heavy tank 9 * mech 3 * aa

[misty fossil]

how do you penetrate the stalin line meatwall as germany

does 36w inf block with gun 3 still work

[dusky burrow]

apparently you park shore bombardment in northern barbarossa and that will make riga unholdable

[dapper sluice]

are troops attack or defense units

[fair horizon]

Chat should i naval NZ

[dusky burrow]

probably

wait

you edited that message

[fair horizon]

Yes

Brain was slower than hands

My thinking was fast but wrong

[dapper sluice]

guys

[dapper sluice]

ts

ok nvm

[dusky burrow]

no clue what that meant unfortunately

[misty fossil]

Inf and trucks for attack and tanks for defense

[dusky burrow]

don't use motorized

unless you think you can overrun them

[misty fossil]

Nah let me cook

iykyk

[fair horizon]

it irks me that vintage map locks achievements

i will form the second greatest empire

LETS GO BEST NAVAL MIO

[misty fossil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/739835273969664053/1484272868744499331/image.gif

No range focused mio though

[fair horizon]

better plane mio than australia

[misty fossil]

Thats nothing at all

[fair horizon]

correct

nz why

[heavy vigil]

hi chat

[heavy vigil]

dont use him, hes bad

[fair horizon]

casey why does nz have a cav dude

[heavy vigil]

uh did you see the starting unit

[fair horizon]

i did

its horrible

[heavy vigil]

3/3/0 meta

[dusky burrow]

tiny division

[fair horizon]

this country is actually awful so far

[heavy vigil]

oh yeah you also have a tank template

[heavy vigil]

you scale better trvst

[fair horizon]

i will make the strongest bob semples ever

polynesia cores all pacific islands right?

[heavy vigil]

not philippines

or japan

[fair horizon]

i know taiwan but like micronesia? palau?

[heavy vigil]

yes

you get those

and rapa nui too

[dusky burrow]

yeah

[fair horizon]

i can make do with that

thats like at least 10m manpower i think

or pop rather

[heavy vigil]

doesnt core galapagos

[heavy vigil]

its like 8

puppet ast tho

[fair horizon]

idk

[heavy vigil]

you need it

for eco, resources

maybe units

[fair horizon]

either way i can do with 8m

thats 2 more than australia

[heavy vigil]

also you like bad island nations smh

[fair horizon]

you just dont like my deserted wastelands

[heavy vigil]

i do

been there many times

[heavy vigil]

btw did you do the focus

island focus

[fair horizon]

which one

im doing this rn

[heavy vigil]

ok so

[hybrid canopy]

Definitely Waitangi Tribunal

[heavy vigil]

the issue is

[hybrid canopy]

(Source: I am a New Zealander)

[heavy vigil]

that side takes a long time and lowkey sucks

[fair horizon]

source: you're part of australia now

[heavy vigil]

imo the eco and air tree clears it

but it lets you get stuff without war so idk

[hybrid canopy]

You're not going to like why NZ isn't part of Australia IRL

[fair horizon]

well i figure the build slots are nice

[heavy vigil]

you dont rlly need it

[fair horizon]

y not

[south mountain]

Is concentrated industry good in hoi4?

[heavy vigil]

you make facilities

[heavy vigil]

grass green?

[fair horizon]

its better than dispersed always

[heavy vigil]

usually right?

[heavy vigil]

well not always

[hybrid canopy]

If you're not at risk of being bombed, yes

[heavy vigil]

but usually

[fair horizon]

always casey

[heavy vigil]

no

[fair horizon]

yes

[hybrid canopy]

But if you're going to be strat bombed 24/7 then dispersed is better

[heavy vigil]

you dont care about bombing

brother make state AA

[fair horizon]

25% MORE OUTPUT

[heavy vigil]

dispersed is rlly bad for you

you just produce less

its only ok if your industry is like massive compared to your manpower pool and you want some weapons out earlier

or you die in 1939 and just want more good guns out

so like poland, netherlands, finland, belgium its fine on hist

[fair horizon]

CASEY how do i puppet australia without the uk telling me no

[heavy vigil]

but it does just give less

[heavy vigil]

you uhhh

if the uk isnt going ahist idk kill everyone

[fair horizon]

alright ill kill them all

[heavy vigil]

it sucks if both are hist

cant really invade the UK

shocker

[fair horizon]

massed carrier fleet ❤️

should i wait for france to join?

[heavy vigil]

its individual

you can spam it

[fair horizon]

my empire grows :)

i can release these as puppets though now if they're not required for the thingy then?

[heavy vigil]

theyre required

[fair horizon]

like solomon islands i mean

[heavy vigil]

check decision

[heavy vigil]

oh them, if you want yeah

[heavy vigil]

its rlly nice you dont need all

[fair horizon]

need to go commie asap then

so they dont give usa docking rights

[heavy vigil]

indelendent path is fire tho

democracy

/j

[radiant bone]

Managed to outlast France 🕵️

[tawny pasture]

I dont suppose haile of ethiopia said the goring quote?

[dusky burrow]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3021486084&searchtext=+companies lmao i found this

[tawny pasture]

"No enemy bomber can reach the Ruhr. If one reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Göring. You may call me Meyer"
Haile Selassie I

[dusky burrow]

yeah i can't imagine so

[tawny pasture]

It said his name under a goring quote when loading the game just now lol

[lilac ginkgo]

we are cooked

[dusky burrow]

i mean

if blahajs give 2% extra org to inf maybe it'd have a use

[lilac ginkgo]

its probably gonna give you debuffs because

you ll have to constantly make the sharks go underwater so they dont die

and then they re very slow on normal terrain

[fair horizon]

this is awful

[copper cobalt]

*you can call me Haile Selassie

[fair horizon]

come my commuinist friends i require your labour

[misty fossil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1401563044231778305/1467859789412302868/attachment.gif

[fair horizon]

WHAT

forced into the war

oml this country is bad

w

w/e free 5% i guess

[low dock]

What even happend🥀🥀

[heavy vigil]

just make a cruiser,,,

[fair horizon]

i have 2 already

see :)

[heavy vigil]

you need 3

no but tbh you do need a few

to beat up australia

[fair horizon]

im building a grand fleet casey

[heavy vigil]

you need it earlier sob

[fair horizon]

its only a 40 plane carrier

[misty fossil]

5.8k ic

[fair horizon]

ill refit it later

[misty fossil]

amazing things are happening in NZ

[fair horizon]

haters already trying to sabotage me smh

[misty fossil]

how is a 6k ic ship taking you 3 years to build with 2 dockyards

damn

[fair horizon]

im navy

[lilac ginkgo]

am i cooked

[misty fossil]

hi navy im dad

[lilac ginkgo]

im also at war with czechia and croatia

gruh

[misty fossil]

ur cooked

[lilac ginkgo]

does anyone know how kx works

they peace me if i dont die soon right

[cedar lance]

🇪🇪 the WORLDS LAST free nation was swept away in a wave of freedolism

🇪🇪 the lifeboat of freedom lost in a storm of war

[fair horizon]

nz has to research level 2 cruiser armor 🤮

[heavy vigil]

it used to not...

they made the game worse

[misty fossil]

fascist nz gets 6 research slots though

[heavy vigil]

beta patches, bad

[cedar lance]

hello casey

[heavy vigil]

they nerfed the leander class marko

[cedar lance]

waht

[fair horizon]

big gun :)

[cedar lance]

holy jesus

what is that

[fair horizon]

british engineering

[cedar lance]

alr

[lime helm]

try not to hear the n word as soon as you join a hoi4 vc challenge (impossible)

jesus christ

😭

[fair horizon]

oh yes indeed

im mobilizing half of NZ

we will have our islands

[quasi osprey]

is 5 research slots ok for a minor in 1939?

[lilac ginkgo]

will i win

uhoh

im gonna hold belgrade

i meant budapest

then bohemia will HOPEFULLY declare independence and overrun austria

so i win

it just got worse

im gone

[lime helm]

😭

[green plume]

has anything changed in multiplayer for what's the best doctrine for germany?

[quasi osprey]

actually competent italy💀

[lilac ginkgo]

i won

austria peaced me

now its just romania and serbia

[fair horizon]

time to train my admirals

[ember vine]

Whats this mod

[lime helm]

im sitting here like im waiting for a reality tv show, im getting too invested in this hungary gameplay

[opaque mulch]

what

[quasi osprey]

is this ok for 1940

[radiant bone]

I'll take that trade

[fair horizon]

chat nz is so boring sajg sddga

i have no factories

[rugged sundial]

are the PDX servers down for anyone else?

[heavy vigil]

you have to go to warr

[fair horizon]

i am at waer

[heavy vigil]

but instead you feel like making a carrier smh

[fair horizon]

i just cant conquer my neighbors

[heavy vigil]

you can

invase tasmania

use airforce to CAS australia

win

[fair horizon]

i got sucked into ww2 before i could leave the allies

[heavy vigil]

civil war?

[fair horizon]

no just regular ww2

[heavy vigil]

no like

civil war to leave war

[fair horizon]

i thought i was able to decline

[heavy vigil]

no ur a puppet

gotta be free

[fair horizon]

i could decline as australia as a dominion

[heavy vigil]

because of never another gallipoli focus

[fair horizon]

yeah i kinda forgor

i dont play puppets

[heavy vigil]

vendrip didnt even read the australian tree 🥀

[lilac ginkgo]

kaiserredux

i broke off from austria hungary but i survived after being stuck in budapest only for like a year

the ai is dumb sometimes

[fair horizon]

reading it makes me angry

[heavy vigil]

new zealand is better tho scaling wise, just your start is a lot worse so

like youll have to be mindful of it

you dont start as the regional hegemon

like australia does

[fair horizon]

i mean my big issue was doing historical

[heavy vigil]

ai?

or what

[fair horizon]

yeah im on hist

[heavy vigil]

hist ai is like so fried

[fair horizon]

only a few islands to go

[heavy vigil]

japan...

[fair horizon]

yeah ill just have america do it for me

[quasi osprey]

ireland I think you are a bit out of ur league here...

[lilac ginkgo]

they will survive

hopefully

[opaque zinc]

I mean it’s honorable atleast

[lethal ether]

whichever one of the mods i have loaded did this.. it aint funny

[lilac ginkgo]

did what

[fair horizon]

my beautiful navy :)

[lethal ether]

it looks like the new order

some april fools thing

[lilac ginkgo]

oh yeah

wow