hoi4-general

[lilac ginkgo]

and then if i don't want pain i just dont play hoi4

mods are also nice

sometimes

[misty fossil]

so france can jus become free after winning ww2...?

[mild musk]

ngl the hoi4 dev team is cooking with the updates rn

[mystic nest]

Nah man they dropped the ball hard on ncns

The DLC did absolutely nothing to fix the Pacific theatre

And added coal which I don't think a single player asked for

[mild musk]

navy is amazing now

[safe wing]

Japan was good imo

[mystic nest]

It's not the navy

[safe wing]

Coal had potential

[mystic nest]

It's the problem of the theatre

It's useless

[sudden thistle]

It’s not that bad

[mystic nest]

What's the point of island hopping when you can dday Japan instantly

[safe wing]

DLC was mediocre imo

[mild musk]

ncns is actually so ass tho I try to avoid it because of what they did to factions

that's so horrible

other than that it's OK

[mystic nest]

There's literally no requirement to participating in half of WW2 in this game

[mild musk]

so your solution to fix it are requriements to join the war?

[safe wing]

Kodha Japan though

[mystic nest]

No

I'd say to do it how bokoens and other mods do it

In those mods the more strategic islands Japan has control of

The more buffs it gains and the more debuffs the allies have

This actually forces the allies to do island hopping before going to the mainland

As going there directly is suicidal

It doesn't fix the entire theatre but it actually gives a reason for the allies to island hop instead of ignoring everything

[mild musk]

ooh gotcha

that's good

never heard of the concept before

[lilac ginkgo]

well hoi4 isnt ACTUALLY realistic

[safe wing]

I’m gonna play Helldivers 2

[mystic nest]

It's great and it would've been so freaking simple to add

[mystic nest]

It's not and I don't want it to be realistic but I want there to be some incentive to play half the game

[mild musk]

liar.

[lilac ginkgo]

yeah that's fair

[lilac ginkgo]

and no it isnt realistic

Like 60%-70% of the offensives you or the ai does wouldnt even be possible irl

Especially in russia

[mystic nest]

Why didn't Hitler build supply hubs? Was he stupid?

[lilac ginkgo]

Russia gets no bonuses in like Moscow for example yet it had very good defenses irl

[mystic nest]

Also defensive lines are weird

[lilac ginkgo]

real

[mystic nest]

In realife there's multipleayrrs of defenses

Breaking through one means nothing

[lilac ginkgo]

you can do that in hoi4

[mystic nest]

In hoi4 you're actually de incentivised to stack units behind each other as all they do is eat supply and don't contribute

[mystic nest]

Yeah but it's far less effective

[sudden thistle]

There is a focus or two for it

Add like 7 forts

[mystic nest]

I think it's a decision defend Moscow

[sudden thistle]

And I think 2 penal divisions

[mystic nest]

Huge

[sudden thistle]

Maybe?

[mystic nest]

This will stop the panzers

[lilac ginkgo]

its still far from what it was irl

[mystic nest]

Yeah

[lilac ginkgo]

you can also just launch offensives anywhere on the front yet some of them would be impossible irl

but its a game

[mystic nest]

Realistic hoi4 would have the allies win the game every time

It wouldn't be very fun

[sudden thistle]

I mean technically irl u can launch an offensive anywhere

[lilac ginkgo]

that's when being smart comes into play

[sudden thistle]

But it will fail horribly

[lilac ginkgo]

No you cant

[sudden thistle]

What’s stopping some Japanese commander forcing his squad to attack a Chinese city after not eating for 3 days

[lilac ginkgo]

have fun launching an offensive on the Himalayan mountains

irl

[sudden thistle]

It will fail horribly 😭

[lilac ginkgo]

it wont happen

no ones gonna climb that mountain

[mystic nest]

Probably actuslly happened at some point

[sudden thistle]

When did I say they will??

They fail horribly attempting it

[lilac ginkgo]

then have fun launching a military offensive onto the sun

[sudden thistle]

I thought it was self explanatory

[sudden thistle]

Bro

[mystic nest]

Oh yeah mountains the fact we can move troops and tanks over those with just a slight movement ddbuff is insane

[lilac ginkgo]

yeah well

[mystic nest]

Irl mointians should absolutely murder your supply and org

And heavy tanks wouldn't be able to cross them at all

[lilac ginkgo]

my panzerkampfwagenflametank can just burn through the alps ig

[mystic nest]

Lmao

[lilac ginkgo]

its fine

[cedar wyvern]

how the hell is mongolia taking over the ussr

[mystic nest]

The eastern area is empty and has no supply if you mean that

[cedar wyvern]

a

[mystic nest]

The Soviets don't usually garrison it

[lilac ginkgo]

they re using convoys to annex them

[mystic nest]

The Mongolian navy rises

[lilac ginkgo]

the new meta

[cedar wyvern]

does also explain why japan managed to take over east manchuria

[lilac ginkgo]

also why doesnt hoi4 allow landlocked countries to have navies

Cause irl mongolia has a navy

for its rivers i guess

[prisma saddle]

HELP ETHIOPIA

[mystic nest]

War escalation ten

Holy Ethiopian Campari

[safe wing]

the energy system could have worked if they added hydro eletric and oil as alternatives to coal

[finite plume]

I made New York's VP's

[opaque mulch]

the year was 1942

[safe wing]

Burlington is too far inland

[finite plume]

I'm not manually placing VP's

[safe wing]

It should be right next to lake Champlain

[finite plume]

Base HOI4 tends to make them lean to the right

[safe wing]

Oh

[finite plume]

I used to but it was too much work 🙏

Plus it's very risky, one accidental file override and every VP gets broken

[cedar wyvern]

holy flag bru

communist mexico's flag looks sick

[finite plume]

Libya's Communist flag is cool too

[cedar wyvern]

damn

[opaque mulch]

make your bets how many decades will it take for czechoslovakia to fall

[finite plume]

The humble paratrooper:

https://tenor.com/view/transitions-kinemaster-black-guy-suit-tiktok-gif-25279479

[cedar wyvern]

why the hell did mexico declare war on the NETHERLANDS

[opaque mulch]

i mean whats he gonna do if my border is landfort lv7 i'll just encircle him

[finite plume]

I doubt you have inland troops defending VP's

[cedar wyvern]

OH SHIT MEXICOS GOING CRAZY

[finite plume]

If AI could paradrop they'd just snipe VP's lol

[heavy vigil]

my vic crashed, is life even worth living anymore

[opaque mulch]

i'm just gonna train 36 more divs to do that

not a problem

[lilac ginkgo]

Thats Egypt

[finite plume]

The humble equipment shortage:

[finite plume]

Nope

[lilac ginkgo]

it looks like it

[lilac ginkgo]

the eagle is Egyptian

[opaque mulch]

well 1 i have 17 mil factories, so 14 more than greece in '36 (so enough), 2 i lose like 1 rifle every 50 attacks

[finite plume]

The Eagle of Saladin is more geometric and sharp angled

[lilac ginkgo]

ok

[sudden thistle]

Lore accurate Czech army

[lilac ginkgo]

its czechoslovak

learn the difference

[finite plume]

If we're being nit-picky, you're supposed to capitalize your name and first letters in sentences

[lilac ginkgo]

do what

where

[finite plume]

L bait

Anyways I'm gonna work on NJ's cities next

[lilac ginkgo]

well theres a difference

between someone saying czechia is the same as czechoslovakia

and me not using capital letters

[opaque mulch]

btw, god bless the soviets for giving me 1 province to trade all the stuff i ever need through (ig germany cant give soviets poland because they also need this small region at the end of czechoslovakia)

[lilac ginkgo]

plus im going out of my way not to use capital letters im on mobile and it automatically capitalizes shit

[lilac ginkgo]

you could defend that

[finite plume]

Burma road ah

[opaque mulch]

am i already not doing that

or wdym

[lilac ginkgo]

I mean the soviet tile

for the trade

Make sure they dont lose it by putting a division there nd when they push back into eastern Poland retreat back

I mean when the soviets push

[light goblet]

i guess man

[cedar wyvern]

I ended up in a war with Mussolini and I literally have never won a war before what do I do

[sudden thistle]

Who are u

[cedar wyvern]

Austria

[sudden thistle]

🥀

Restart lowkey

[cedar wyvern]

Shi

That bad

[sudden thistle]

If ur new u won’t win that

[cedar wyvern]

Yo why twin

[lilac ginkgo]

First of all

You got like a year then Germany invades you

Or they annex you

[cedar wyvern]

No im playing ahist

[lilac ginkgo]

doesnt matter

[cedar wyvern]

???

[lilac ginkgo]

Germany has focuses to annex Austria as any ideology

Unless if they re democratic I think theres a focus to align you instead

[cedar wyvern]

Fah

[lilac ginkgo]

But usually they just invade

[cedar wyvern]

Great choice to restart

[lilac ginkgo]

Are they democratic

U could try to hold the alps

How many divisions u got

[cedar wyvern]

50-60 uhh I think about 2 armies

[cedar wyvern]

No

I'm in Central powers with them

[lilac ginkgo]

Thats good then

Ur safe

Defend alpa

Alps

[cedar wyvern]

Aight

My focus is on Balkans tho

[sudden thistle]

U should tell me that u have 2 armies 😭

[cedar wyvern]

Eh why

[umbral agate]

which hungary path is the best for mp

[sudden thistle]

Historical

[fair horizon]

i dont know who you are but france is being a real friend there not helping romania at all

[lethal ether]

is there a mod that makes peacedeals more realistic

[fallen hearth]

HOLY SOMEONE HELP CANADA

[winged field]

multiplayer?

[fallen hearth]

non historical AI

[opaque mulch]

also i realised that AI cant do paradrops so now it's an army responsible for freeing poland

[prisma saddle]

bitterstill🗣🗣

[winged field]

what are oyur templates?

[fallen hearth]

uh

[prisma saddle]

wait a moment sultante of aussa survived...

[fallen hearth]

rn i am building this but before i had no medium tanks

and this is my marine

im not good at building templates so i just copy them or do what comes to my mind

[winged field]

are they pushing or are you holding up?

[fallen hearth]

im not at war

im USA

first time with it

[vital cove]

don't use line artillery especially not on marines. just use 36w marines, can be half marines half mountaineers or half marines half inf

[winged field]

gotcha, as for templates well 18w infantry is good for holding but for attacking try to get some 36w templates

it can be 36w infantry or tanks, your choice

[fallen hearth]

alrightt

[fallen hearth]

aight

well

soon i will go in war with commintern and central powers so

all europe

might first end brazil and puppet them

non historical AI is so fun most of the times

[amber matrix]

is 30 or 40 best for tanks

I usually go for 6 mot 9 tanks

w/ log company and maintainence company and sometimes support arty

[winged field]

36

[winged field]

maintanance is kinda meh but sure, I would try to add medium flame tanks, pioneers and hospitals for support too

[hot oxide]

how?

i literally have better planes too

[oak sundial]

how can I send volunteers to help the spainish civil war(I'm italy)

[fair horizon]

how what?

[brisk glen]

What the

[hollow drum]

all i do is clash clash clash no matter what

[snow rain]

9% mission efficiency

means you're using 9% of your stats

and 6% detection

means you basically detect nothing so no combat engages

[knotty vortex]

so i did a thing

i cored the entirety of south america

[snow rain]

1942 and producing early cruiser 😭

[knotty vortex]

erm

i forgot about that

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-flight-yikes-flight-meme-gif-12822158462297009384

does this make you happier

[winged field]

I almost forgot that you dont even need aa for south america, good stuff

nvm you have planes

[rugged niche]

Wtf how

[winged field]

you didnt have them in first picture

xD

[knotty vortex]

lol as if i used them

i literally only used infantry

LOL

that is what all 4 of my armies consist of

idk what to do now

kinda wanna get to 1948 for the achievement

maybe ill make some armoured divs

[winged field]

template design outside of europe be like: 10w infantry with support artillery (optional)

[knotty vortex]

lmao

genuinely

i cant afford the resources to keep my production going

good thing i puppeted portugal and can just take the entirety of europe

[winged field]

having more tungsten than steel is actually wild

[knotty vortex]

it doesnt look good

[snow rain]

only aa lvl 1 and better armor then I'm happy

[winged field]

💀

[knotty vortex]

180 civs is lovely

[snow rain]

just produce less useless stuff

[knotty vortex]

and what do i use the mils for

[snow rain]

do excav techs, excav decisions and infra on resource rich tiles

[snow rain]

planes

[sudden raptor]

someone praise me please

[winged field]

you could probably save some resources from artillery production, 10 mils is kinda overkill for it

[knotty vortex]

oh yeah

[winged field]

most of the time

[snow rain]

considering their stockpile, 1 mil for good conscience is more than enough

[winged field]

oh yeah

[knotty vortex]

steel is a problem because im making sp art

[snow rain]

the 35 mils on guns 3 too

[knotty vortex]

cause i dont think my inf divs are gonna cut it against the usa

[snow rain]

each fac on gun 3 is 4 steel

[snow rain]

no it's because you have 30+ mils on gun 3, eating 140 steel

[knotty vortex]

how many would you do

[snow rain]

your SPG use 90 in comparison

[snow rain]

what's your stockpile

[subtle wharf]

Man this game can suck it. Watched every tutorial imaginable on how to defeat Poland and followed to a T. Now of course when I attack France somehow has hella troops inside Poland already

[winged field]

idk what they were thinking making guns 3 take 4 steel each

like 😭

[subtle wharf]

Panzers fully supplied but don’t do shit

[snow rain]

yeah it's dumb, they should just make it cost way more

[knotty vortex]

uh 135k...

lol i need to pay more attention

[snow rain]

hard to say without screenshots but it's almost certain you did at least something wrong

[snow rain]

then 15 mils on it and never think about it ever again

[knotty vortex]

cool

[snow rain]

trucks ? 1-3 mil

support eq ? 2-5 mils

[subtle wharf]

I mean now everything has gone to shit. My units don’t even listen to the offensive order I give them. Despite hitting execute they just stand there

[knotty vortex]

how many on mech

cause ill put them with my tanks

[snow rain]

as many as you need

[winged field]

lol

[snow rain]

well, then again, can't really take your word for it, I'd need a screenshot

[subtle wharf]

Lmao I tried that the last time and still didn’t do shit

One sec

[knotty vortex]

lol

might just take the whole of africa too

[subtle wharf]

@snow rain

[winged field]

honestly with that iron deficit you might as well stick to infantry or cavarly for your tanks divs

[knotty vortex]

theres no deficit anymore

its sorted

[snow rain]

none of your tanks have supply, meaning no fuel gets in them meaning they get -90% stats meaning they get assblasted right back

your inf is pushing just fine but since you don't have air cover, they're likely dying to air support
and I'm guessing you don't really have AA in those divs

[knotty vortex]

do you guys reckon i could take on the USA?#

[snow rain]

also, only a few divs are actually assigned to the plans
select each army then CTRL+Lclick on the arrows you want them to follow

[knotty vortex]

or would i get crushed

[winged field]

ah, depends how many tanks u want but few dozen would be nice for start or less if you are not in hurry, then you can put less mils once you max out the production growth (production cap or how its called)

[knotty vortex]

i probably need port guards too

whats a decent port guard unit

[subtle wharf]

Do you need more trucks to supply the tanks?

[knotty vortex]

cause i dont want no naval invasions while im fighting the usa

[knotty vortex]

check where supply hubs are

[snow rain]

you'd need port guards but not that many
2 divs per port and keep a response force that you send out where they get naval supremacy

[knotty vortex]

lol bro thinks im gonna be able to fight their navy

its not particularly formidable

[winged field]

honestly what francis said but like having too many garrison is just waste of mp, in single player you might not even need it if you check for it from time to time, having like 1 good attacking army around middle usually works

[snow rain]

also, as always, best advice I can tell you is to pay attention :
see alerts at the top of the screen ? it's likely to be important. Click on it and adress it.
see something red on the map ? it's probably bad. Click on it and adress it
see a red bubble when attacking ? You better click on it and see what's wrong. Don't keep smashing your head on the wall, you'll only die quicker

Each menu has a bunch of useful info that appears when you hover over data. Bubble Battles are the prime example on that, hover over the stats and you'll see what's wrong

[winged field]

like they break through your guard unit 90% time anyway if its like USA invasion

[knotty vortex]

im nervous

the usa are just like

watching

why arent they doing anything

the march to the US is on?

[snow rain]

no need for supply map to understand it, those icons are pretty clear

and you're getting bombed into the shitter, don't forget AA and, if you have No Step Back DLC, armored trains

[winged field]

idk if its good news for ya but usa 99% never naval invades from west but from like venezuela

[snow rain]

they haven't finished their monroe focuses

[winged field]

especially if they are busy with japan

[knotty vortex]

okay thats helpful actually

speaking of

[snow rain]

also, you paratroopers won't even drop because you'd need 75% air supremacy (you don't) and since that order has 5 paratroopers assigned to it, you'd need 250 transport planes to actually drop them

[snow rain]

48% stab as brazil
also, please use your xp for doctrines

and train troops to lvl 3
25% more stats for free basically

[crude grotto]

you need 250 transports to drop them all at the same time

[knotty vortex]

i do have doctrines

[snow rain]

it's a single order with 5 paras. It's won't drop anyone if it doesn't have 250 planes to work with

if it was 5 orders of 1 paras, sure, but it isn't

[crude grotto]

brother what are we doing

who does 1 order for a group of paratroopers???

[snow rain]

[snow rain]

a new player struggling to kill poland. It's fine

[subtle wharf]

That doesnt even make amy sense I have one div of paratroopers assigned. I follow the YT tutorials to a T and they blast thru Poland in like a week. Meanwhile it takes me 4-6 months and by the time they capitulate I am too weak to defend against anything. I just dont think this game is for me

[snow rain]

just giving the head's up before they ask

[crude grotto]

ohhhh

[snow rain]

in the tutorial, they had air supremacy. You don't. Simple as

[crude grotto]

just get a full 120 divisions and put them on the border with poland and then force push

[subtle wharf]

I dont get how they can have it and I cant. For some reason this time when I declared war France and UK already had troops waiting

[snow rain]

paratroopers need 75% air supremacy (or neutral air) in all regions they go through
thjat's simply not possible because you don't even have air supremacy in poland

[subtle wharf]

I have all my fighters assigned to air supremacy over Poland. I have fuel, bombers on CAS.

[snow rain]

bad air worse than no air
you don't have enough and it's likely bad planes

[subtle wharf]

And it seems this time around British and French troops appear from thin air

[turbid thorn]

how to get manpower

[subtle wharf]

I have all ME109s

[snow rain]

they come from the sea

[subtle wharf]

Yeah and I have naval bombers on naval strike and ships on patrol

Doesnt seem to do anything

[crude grotto]

why arent we running 6 cannons, level 3 engines and 3 fuel tank planes

[snow rain]

but how many
and how many planes fielded are actually bf109 and not crappy byplanes. Also, do you have By Blood alone DLC or not ? because it changes a lot of thigns plane-wise

and patrolling ships don't raid convoys

[turbid thorn]

how to get manpower

[crude grotto]

change conscription laws

[turbid thorn]

cant

[subtle wharf]

No, I just have the base game. All my planes are BF109

[turbid thorn]

i dont play fasist

[crude grotto]

youre shit outta luck

[subtle wharf]

Or all my fighters I mean

[snow rain]

what nations and why can't you go up ?

[crude grotto]

go to war then change them

[turbid thorn]

bel

[snow rain]

you start with byplanes so I highly doubbt that

[crude grotto]

then you dont get man power

build forts

[snow rain]

then do focuses and doctrines that give you manpower. And get rid of negative national spirits
but you'll be limited anyway

[crude grotto]

and anti air

[subtle wharf]

I have no biplanes and 500 109s on air supremacy over Poland

All my biplanes were replaced

[snow rain]

do they have range ? and how many planes are you fighting

[scenic spade]

there is this photo deep in the game files

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hearts of Iron IV\pdx_launcher\game\gfx

[subtle wharf]

Yep they are all based in East germany

[snow rain]

open the air mapmode, click on poland and look at the numbers

[winged field]

desperate defense sub doctrine gives ya manpower factor but otherwise its kinda ass doctrine

[crude grotto]

then use the biplanes too

[subtle wharf]

Welll this time around France and UK both have air forces in Poland now too

[snow rain]

the circle must encompass as much as the region as possible or they lose stats and get killed faster while killing less

[subtle wharf]

Honestly I just dont think this game is for me... lol

[crude grotto]

maybe

its a bit confusing at first

[subtle wharf]

I picked it up on the steam sale because Ive been wanting to try it

[winged field]

quit it before you cant

xD

[subtle wharf]

Got it for $15 so I cant really complain

[crude grotto]

an easy way to learn is to infantry spam

it's easy and it works

[winged field]

the base game is good but it's missing so many stuff

[subtle wharf]

Tried that too

[crude grotto]

especially against poland

[snow rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UadQ3euApmM

just don't pay attention to the tank designs and plane designs, just worry about using the latest one you have, but otherwise this tutorial's alright. there's a 2025 version that's alright too, even if outdated, but that has timestamps

[subtle wharf]

I tried to spam everyone to warsaw but nobody could break thru

[subtle wharf]

I watched this but he goes so damn fast and doesnt explain any of the keys he is pressing

[crude grotto]

what diffuculty are you playin on

[subtle wharf]

Just regular

[crude grotto]

play on rookie for a bit

just to learn how the game works

[subtle wharf]

I mean could it be the templates? I have 24-36 wide with AA

I usually attack with 2-3 tank divs and 2-3 motorized with it

[crude grotto]

lets see your infantry template

thats all that matters really

[winged field]

honestly just play on normal cuz you learn more from it

[subtle wharf]

Ok one sec

[winged field]

than from like rookie difficulty

[snow rain]

but yeah, it's normal to struggle, just read the info the game tells you and you'll progress. Don't understand something ? look it up, read the tooltips and the basic descriptions

[subtle wharf]

Inf

[crude grotto]

what the balls dude

i just use 9 inf battalions and support companies

[subtle wharf]

I have 10 hours in this game dawg

[crude grotto]

fair point

honestly just use the base germany template

[subtle wharf]

Tried that too

[crude grotto]

its pretty good and it works

dont produce light tanks

[subtle wharf]

Then what should I attack with

I tried with medium tanks too no difference

[crude grotto]

just guns arttilery and support equipment

[subtle wharf]

So basic infantry

Not even motorized

[crude grotto]

yup

the doctrines are important too

what doctrines do you have>

?\

[crude grotto]

thats you big problem

[crude grotto]

use the main doctrine grand battle plan

the infantry sub doctrine large unit tactics

[subtle wharf]

got it

[crude grotto]

can you open the operations doctrine

and send a screenshot

i forgot what the one you should use is called

[subtle wharf]

for which one

[crude grotto]

operations

far right

[crude grotto]

ah

[upper raven]

Is there a hotkey to select all the Missiles silos at once?

[crude grotto]

grand assult

i would at this point try again

but you got this

[subtle wharf]

I appreciate it but this game is not really interesting me that much. I dont have the time to learn everything rn

[crude grotto]

i also have a little thing to help you understand the strategy to kill poland

[crude grotto]

thats okay

it takes a bit of time to learn

having all the dlcs helps make it fun but that adds alot more buttons and stuff to learn

[subtle wharf]

Its moreso frustrating and a waste of my time because I will spend over an hour going from 1935-39 and I have armor, motorized, AA, and have everything built up. Ill watch a tutorial and Poland just melts. Yet everything of mine gets bogged down and I win eventually but I am so weak afterwards. It is like everyone on YT is playing a different game in a different reality

Ive tried attacking only with Infantry spam, light tanks, medium tanks, nothing works

The armies I make dont listen to the offensive line orders I give them half the time they just sit there

[crude grotto]

are there little yellow exclamation marks by the troops?

[subtle wharf]

Ill attack with tanks thru a plain and they are held back by like one divsion

[crude grotto]

or red ones?

[subtle wharf]

Eh some red some yellow, but it only starts after I attack

[crude grotto]

red means they arent assigned to an order

and yellow means they dont have enough supply/orginization to move

[subtle wharf]

Which doesnt even make any sense because I will shift click on divisions, assign a general, then frontline, then offensive line

Half of the time it works half of the time it doesnt

[upper delta]

Anyone know if state AA prevents/disrupts logistics strikes? I'm toying with the idea of going no-air russia (vs the AI) for kicks and giggles but I don't wanna sit through 8 years of prep just to find out I'm SOL because no supplies.

I'm working off the assumption that support/line AA is only going to counter enemy CAS

[subtle wharf]

so I have to micro them but they still cant do shit.Youd think that 2 tank divs and 2 motorized divs attacking thru a plain would smash them. But I guess for me it doesnt work like that

[winged field]

disrupts? yes by damaging planes perfoming those attack, it doesnt prevent it tho

[crude grotto]

its much harder to explain how to beat poland when i cant use the game to show you

ill eventually be able to show you what to do

[winged field]

time to draw it in paint app xD

[crude grotto]

i already did

[winged field]

lol nice

[subtle wharf]

Am I wrong in the assumption that 2 tank and 2 motorized divs under a general is about right for what you want to use for a main line of attack?

[crude grotto]

^

[upper delta]

So, it'll be a race between my civvies fixing everything and their mils replacing aircraft...well, I've got a chance!

[winged field]

why no army at konigsberg?

[crude grotto]

im not dont need ot

[winged field]

you can do a good push from there

fair enough

[crude grotto]

they station troops on konigsberg and that takes away from the main front

also they die fast anyways

[winged field]

not if you put whole army there

usually the setup for germany can one 18w infantry army with build static aa around maginot, two attacking armies from west poland and one attacking army from konigsberg

as for the template in thos attacking armies depends on your playstyle

[crude grotto]

basic germany template 4tw

[knotty vortex]

can you not fly over the amazon?

[crude grotto]

?

[winged field]

works too

[crude grotto]

the transports dont have enough range

[subtle wharf]

I will push Warsaw from Kongisberg from the North (2-3 tank divs and 2-3 motorized divs) and from the Southwest thru the flat plains (Another 2-3 divs of tanks and motorized). I’ll try and cut off Danzig using again the same division compilation

[crude grotto]

or planesin general

[subtle wharf]

But nothing ever pushes thru

[knotty vortex]

oh right

[subtle wharf]

So frustrating cause I see YTers do the exact same thing

[crude grotto]

i dont know man

maybe go for a late war?

build up more

[subtle wharf]

They can push Warsaw with ease but I am held back by like 1-2 divisions of infantry

[crude grotto]

are all your divisions fully equiped?

[subtle wharf]

Yeah and supplied

[crude grotto]

are you sure you're on regular?

[subtle wharf]

Yep

[crude grotto]

i got no clue

[subtle wharf]

Neither do I so I give up

[crude grotto]

welp

[subtle wharf]

For $15 I got 12 hours of semi entertainment so I can’t complain

[winged field]

did you battleplan?

or just made frontline

[subtle wharf]

Yep

Made offsenive lines with my tank and motorized divs

Half the time they don’t even listen

[crude grotto]

what about infantry?

[winged field]

idk what else then at this point. you could change your army to aggresive stance

germany can handle it

[subtle wharf]

Just have them on a frontline

[opaque mulch]

the year was 1944 (if germany isnt gonna push me i will push them)

[crude grotto]

battle plan them too

[subtle wharf]

On the border

With what

[knotty vortex]

how the hell do i move el salvador when their in the axis

[crude grotto]

the battle plan?

[subtle wharf]

Yeah like should I make an offensive line with them

[crude grotto]

yes

[subtle wharf]

Does it matter to where

[crude grotto]

they get planning bonus and they are very good againt poland because they dont have any debuffs for terrain

[crude grotto]

just draw the line at the back of poland

[waxen girder]

wsp

[crude grotto]

and force attack

[subtle wharf]

Gotcha. I usually have 24 divs just chilling on the border to defend it

And I have my attacks with my armored and motorized divs

[crude grotto]

when you play germany you dont defend polands border you slam through it

they cant push back if their dead

[subtle wharf]

I’ll try that next game

[crude grotto]

good

also,

just make 120 infantry divisions

[subtle wharf]

I’ll put 24 on the east and another 24 on the north lol

[crude grotto]

dont use tanks or motorized

[subtle wharf]

By kongisberg

So just brute force them basically

[crude grotto]

yup

[sand heath]

guys

got any good light tank templates?

[subtle wharf]

Alright I’ll see if that works I’ll give it one more shot

[crude grotto]

light tanks are for frauds

[sand heath]

😭

[crude grotto]

buuuuttt

full division of light tanks

[winged field]

you just dont them, only for light tanks recon support company

[sand heath]

only light tanks?

[sand heath]

why not?

I'm playing ussr

[crude grotto]

they suck

[sand heath]

and i want tanks

[winged field]

and for that u dont really need an expensive one if you are not minmaxing stats

[crude grotto]

just make medium tanks

[sand heath]

have to wait till 1939 for them

[crude grotto]

no?

[winged field]

terrible hardness terrible attacking stats

[crude grotto]

you can get them in 1938

[sand heath]

alr what about a medium tank template then?

[crude grotto]

32 width tanks and motorized

[sand heath]

a split?

or ?

[crude grotto]

yup

[sand heath]

mechanized or motorized?

[crude grotto]

the motorized is there for extra org

[sand heath]

ik

[crude grotto]

motorized if you want cheaper divisions mechanized if you want them stronger

[sand heath]

alr imma use motorized

[crude grotto]

i use motorrized and my divisions have like 400 soft attack

[sand heath]

I would do mechanized but i am playing ussr

[knotty vortex]

why the hell can i not move my planes bro

[sand heath]

can you show the template?

[knotty vortex]

i have air bases in literally every state

[crude grotto]

not at home rn sadly

gimme a second

8 tank battalions and 8 motorized

change it as you wish

✌️ 😭

folk

sonion

[sudden thistle]

What’s ur div

10/8?

Oh u said 8/8

[heavy vigil]

chris

[sudden thistle]

Wha

Did u win

As Hawaii

[heavy vigil]

maybe once im better

i was thinking of playing in the west but then i played 1 portugal game, admittedly i did destroy my own eco while conquering but it just seems really easy in europe no

[opaque zinc]

Half of the people I know who have hoi4 pirated it

[sudden thistle]

Try a small country

Like uhh

[crude grotto]

english pirate focus tree confirmed?!?

[sudden thistle]

Hm

Korea

I forgot their vic3 name

Joseon?

[winged field]

I always think about this guy 😭

[opaque zinc]

I feel like this game is pirated so much

[opaque zinc]

He probably added them to the wrong folder

[crude grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/folk-druski-sona-instagram-instagram-meme-gif-18271404859547050805

[opaque zinc]

I DID watch a tutorial cause I thought about it a lot

[sly venture]

do i do fate of checkslovakia rn in 1937 or wait early/late 1938 to get more industry

[opaque zinc]

Not pirating the game but pirating the DLCs

[crude grotto]

i just buy the subscription lwkirk

[heavy vigil]

idk ill figure it out, so far ive been learning stuff and having fun

[opaque zinc]

I really had to convince myself not to

[sly venture]

?

[sudden thistle]

Early as possible

[crude grotto]

just build the industry yourself

[winged field]

its not that

[sudden thistle]

U should play Qing in Great War Redux

I heard they are very stable

And very good

And DEFINITELY don’t explode

[crude grotto]

im chudsploding

[winged field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kanade-yoisaki-prsk

[heavy vigil]

hoi is kinda boring to me rn

[crude grotto]

https://giphy.com/gifs/oguri-cap-hanguri-eating-crayon-RcL5bZ2SnJfaNKv0At

[winged field]

blue crayon > red crayon

[crude grotto]

indeed

the real goat is the pink sharpie

[winged field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ascending-heaven

[opaque zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/mafuyu-mafuyu-asahina-mafuyu-prsk-project-sekai-prsk-gif-15350721416235831638

[crude grotto]

Light tank and enjoyer in the same name?

Are we jerking our peens brother

[opaque zinc]

What

[random fossil]

Think I caught the french

[winged field]

average rapid domination doctrine enjoyer:

https://klipy.com/gifs/gigachad-13

just have enough stats so you dont need to plan at all (brutal)

[random fossil]

6 36width tank division make a good hole, even if they are half mediums and lights I just need to remember to swap out the lights when I got more mediums built.

[woven gate]

Rapid Domination is peak

i always rely on Artillery

my Military always has Artillery

[winged field]

W

[sly venture]

can someone give me a sub template

[stark elbow]

that would be cool for me too, i just throw in some things and hope they work

[winged field]

snorkels (1940+) and maximizing torpedo attack

if you really want to use them

[stark elbow]

can germany build up a good navy before america joins the war or should i give up and rely on paratroopers?

[winged field]

U generally want to defeat allies before USA joins but yes u can build it up

[stark elbow]

yeah thats kinda what i said lol tho its kinda hard for me both to build up navy and to build up singular templates (maybe i could invade italy and steal theirs)

[winged field]

as for navy production u can remove the destroyers already in production and put those docks on the big ships already in production (just enough so they date is like 1938) with dockyards left design a destroyer with torpedos and just stick to that

[lilac ginkgo]

U can do both

I mean how hard can it be

[hollow drum]

all i do is clash clash clash no matter what

[lilac ginkgo]

whats that meant to mean

[stark elbow]

i'll try next time thx!

[prisma saddle]

yo how i make other countries make me send troops as volounteers as ethiopia

[snow rain]

was gonna ask the same, it's the second time they say that

[lilac ginkgo]

U cant I think

[stark elbow]

capitulate and wait for allies to liberate u

[prisma saddle]

nah

[lilac ginkgo]

Ive heard it somewhere before

[prisma saddle]

i saw people having volounteers in 1937

[snow rain]

bro's just crazy

[stark elbow]

that must be related to navy

[lilac ginkgo]

In mp sure but singleplayer maybe not..unless you go communist and get help from ussr or go democratic and get allied help

[lilac ginkgo]

Ir isnt

Its related to clash royale

[prisma saddle]

look at that screen

[stark elbow]

who said it couldnt be related to clash of clans

[prisma saddle]

yt video

[winged field]

A Callout to the World

focus

[prisma saddle]

ohh

[lilac ginkgo]

A focus then

Ig

[prisma saddle]

i cant never reach it because when I do boardibg the train it automatcally capitulate me

[lilac ginkgo]

well why would clash Royale and the hoi4 navy be related

[stark elbow]

hoi4 fort = clash tower

[fallen hearth]

WHO IS HE LMAOOOOOOOOO

[lilac ginkgo]

that man gave me the deja vu

I know him from somewhere

[stark elbow]

as an italian, it could be a pretty common type of face

[lilac ginkgo]

no i know the guy

Where u from in italy

[stark elbow]

im between rome and naples

in lazio

[lilac ginkgo]

that must be nice

[prisma saddle]

ciao..

[stark elbow]

yup im living on the sea

[lilac ginkgo]

forza lazio tutto bene or some shit

[stark elbow]

hey!

[prisma saddle]

yo

[stark elbow]

pasta pizza

[prisma saddle]

no per favore

[lilac ginkgo]

thats just a stereotype

[winged field]

average italy name for sure

[lilac ginkgo]

who's name

mine?

[winged field]

then you go to Poland and someone is called Ignac 😭

[winged field]

no like in general xD

[prisma saddle]

mice drink

[lilac ginkgo]

well i ain't italian

polska gurom or some shit tho

[stark elbow]

where u from

[lilac ginkgo]

romania

[prisma saddle]

o robby ma quindi sei ita

[stark elbow]

my mom is from romania lol iasi

[stark elbow]

si

[lilac ginkgo]

thats nice

im in the middle of nowhere

[prisma saddle]

moldova

[stark elbow]

must be a hater of cluj

[lilac ginkgo]

the south

[prisma saddle]

napoca

[lilac ginkgo]

id rather live there than where im at now

I live in the south

as a bonus were racists

im not but

[stark elbow]

lol

[prisma saddle]

ah yea standard Romanian packet

[lilac ginkgo]

shit is so bad the neighborhood i live in ain't considered apart of my city cause Nepalese and romani people are a majority here

so then my neighborhood is considered to be apart of a smaller town and it hasn't been developed in years

[stark elbow]

playing romania in hoi4 is like trying to build up civilians and political power but ur king goes on vacation in france

[lilac ginkgo]

they rebuilt the road once for some pipes and it took them a whole year to make the road markings and zebras

[stark elbow]

yeah in italy we are slower dw

[lilac ginkgo]

and everyone drives on the main road very fast so crossing the road was actually dangerous

[lilac ginkgo]

Yeah uhh

Don't think so buddy

[prisma saddle]

every romance country is slow asf

[lilac ginkgo]

Ours is not generally slow

[stark elbow]

we civilized europe!!

[lilac ginkgo]

But its way slower where I live because the majority of this neighborhood is not white

So they dont like it

[prisma saddle]

greece did!!

[lilac ginkgo]

Im white but that don't matter

[stark elbow]

yeah true

romans did their part too tho

[lilac ginkgo]

Greece is western europe if it was in the east

maybe

if that makes sense

[prisma saddle]

riportiamo la megali idea

[lilac ginkgo]

yeah well they never done it

megali idea my ass

[stark elbow]

btw reforming the roman empire as italy in hoi4 is easy af

[lilac ginkgo]

I guess

[prisma saddle]

MEGALI IDEA🤑

mega idea

[lilac ginkgo]

I ain't a big fan of Greece

cool history tho

[prisma saddle]

me yes

very cool beachs

and

[lilac ginkgo]

im more of a kebab guy

[prisma saddle]

dnas

[lilac ginkgo]

well if you can afford it

[prisma saddle]

hardly anything sevres💔

[jaunty delta]

Guys does anyone know what time it is?

[lilac ginkgo]

im apart of the lower class

[jaunty delta]

it's SNUS time. HAAHAHAHAH.

[prisma saddle]

20:30

[jaunty delta]

no

[prisma saddle]

me middle

[prisma saddle]

yes

trust

[lilac ginkgo]

what do you consider to be middle class

[prisma saddle]

idk eat and sleep

[lilac ginkgo]

alright

[winged field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nawrocki-prezydent

[jaunty delta]

LETS GO CHAT

[winged field]

casual debate in poland

[stark elbow]

italy can do yugo, greece, turkey, romania (no war with uk) join germany, take vichy france, invade spain, and by that time you have egypt and syria too and you got all the coastal states in the mediterranean sea (naval invade malta and cyprus)

[lilac ginkgo]

Yeah or umm maybe just invade the uk and seize that too

Get a peacedeal

[prisma saddle]

già che ci sei invece di ammazzarti in medio oriente fai capitolare il regno unito con la magica reggia marina

[lilac ginkgo]

Yeah so do that

[stark elbow]

nah im not going in medio oriente thats uk and ussr who attacks iran

[lilac ginkgo]

Cap the uk with the navy

[prisma saddle]

se vuoi formare spqr devi eh

[stark elbow]

not really, i just gotta take syria, lebanon, israel and egypt

thats enough to get spqr

[prisma saddle]

attrition hell

supply hell

[lilac ginkgo]

yes BUT if u cap the uk by invading the main isle instead its easier

Do it before the us joins and ur fine

[stark elbow]

7/2 works kinda well in those nations

[stark elbow]

italy navy can defeat uk??

[prisma saddle]

attrition remain the samee

[prisma saddle]

YES

SI

[lilac ginkgo]

The ai one?hell yes
As long as you build your armi

[jaunty delta]

i sometimes have a bug where I invade iraq, they join the allies and then somehow regain back all their territories.

[lilac ginkgo]

Army

[stark elbow]

fr?!

[prisma saddle]

yes

just upgrade it

[lilac ginkgo]

Any army is stronger than the British one if you build it up

[prisma saddle]

and you will kick theyr asses

[lilac ginkgo]

As what

[stark elbow]

tho spqr is good mostly for the manpower i cant lie, once you core almost a continent mp will not be a problem for a long time

[prisma saddle]

1 mln dollar strategy

[jaunty delta]

any country, primarily as italy. just so weird lol. when they regain back the territories, I get pushed out of all i conquered there

[lilac ginkgo]

Yeah no clue how that works

[stark elbow]

THATS TRUE and uk can sneak in through iraq even when iraq isnt in war thanks to military access, idk if thats a bug or sum

[jaunty delta]

yea that shit bro. what is that lmaoo.

[lilac ginkgo]

thats why we dont need the middle east

[jaunty delta]

genuinely thought i may be hallucinating

[prisma saddle]

the bad ething when you integrate more lands yes you get manpower and millss yay but you need so much acutious because if you don't look you will still explode into a civil war and that so annoying

[lilac ginkgo]

U won't

You cant get a civilwar from core territory

[prisma saddle]

it happened 2 times💔

[lilac ginkgo]

Once you form roman empire its all cores

[stark elbow]

nah thats true once i forgot to protect egypt from the south and uk started taking north africa and i got into cw

[lilac ginkgo]

huh

[lilac ginkgo]

That can happen?

I have NEVER gotten into a civilwar unintentionally

[prisma saddle]

german puppet ✌️

[stark elbow]

lost core = -0.50% weekly on the balance

[lilac ginkgo]

Even if its at zero bro

[prisma saddle]

that ass mechanjch

man

🥲

[stark elbow]

0 = ok
-100% = cw

[lilac ginkgo]

I see

that must suck

[prisma saddle]

very much

[stark elbow]

thats why i built massive fortifications on egypt and morocco last run, it was worth it

[lilac ginkgo]

OR just maybe make it easier

And just land in the UK

[stark elbow]

y'all i was convinced till now that italy could never beat uk navy if thats the case next time i'll build some more dockyards and land on the east of the isle

[prisma saddle]

albanian style bunker

[lilac ginkgo]

Yes

Uk navy mightve been good irl

But ingame its still kinda shit after a while

[heavy vigil]

its good in game

[lilac ginkgo]

At first sure

But if you build up as any country

You can beat it

[heavy vigil]

its always good because investing into navy is like, slowing your country down by years

[lilac ginkgo]

yeah but its beatable

its not some final boss or some shit

[heavy vigil]

well unrefitted uk navy def is

but refitted, in deathstack, not really

[lilac ginkgo]

any navy is beatable

you just need to do it right

[jaunty delta]

ur right bro

im gonna keep my thoughts to myself

[lilac ginkgo]

its fine

it doesn't bother me

[jaunty delta]

everything in life is a double edged sword

[lilac ginkgo]

whats that really meant to mean

You re saying there are 2 sides to everything

[jaunty delta]

yes

[lilac ginkgo]

what about death

thats just one sided

[sly venture]

LETS GOOO WE ARE WINNING no we are not adressing the elephant in the room

[lilac ginkgo]

how did you do it

[winged field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/smile-delighted-3

the sea lion rules fr

[small bluff]

W conquest?

[lilac ginkgo]

depends

[opal current]

historical btw

i have evil hoi4

[small bluff]

Depends what?

[lilac ginkgo]

are all of those your puppets

In Europe

[small bluff]

Nah, my allies. German Empire, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Ottoman Empire. I uses Austria and form de Austrian Empire.

[opal current]

why did this happen? iran capitulated and this somehow happened

[stark elbow]

speaking of elephants, you could try naval invading uk with elephant divisions

[lilac ginkgo]

Iran might ve had some scripted peacedeal that broke the game

[sly venture]

the budget is tight

[lilac ginkgo]

No clue

[sly venture]

We can’t supply my own divisions we gonna supply the elephants?

[opal current]

so this shouldnt happen?

[lilac ginkgo]

Probably not?

If its historical no

[stark elbow]

now i got this general curiosity to start an italy run and try to naval invade uk by 1940

[lilac ginkgo]

How are there attacks in parts of Poland that aren't even near your border or an enemy border

[stark elbow]

naval bombers are worth creating?

[small bluff]

"Majesty, there are elephants in boats in our coasts!"

[stark elbow]

we shall fight on the beaches

[small bluff]

Churchill approves.

[lilac ginkgo]

German elefantenkampfabteilungen capture london

these germans know their way with words

ss elefant divisions storm london

what a sightseeing

[opal current]

dont ask me i just have 70h in this game

[snow rain]

how does you sealion always end up with a big push and next to it, about 30 divs dying

[lilac ginkgo]

That has no reason to happen

why are polish divisions fighting air

[faint fiber]

https://youtube.com/shorts/dmCkXgOVBo8?si=9CooKnrBDrcGnNRi

[sly venture]

I can always land and push for a bit but I can never keep the push going

[lilac ginkgo]

Get your whole army there

should work

[sly venture]

nahhh not like am already doing that

[lilac ginkgo]

So your whole army is 30 divs

[sudden thistle]

Push with a bit more than infantry

[sly venture]

I can’t make more

[sudden thistle]

I don’t mean more infantry

Tanks

Or special forces

[sly venture]

I’ve tried both

[lilac ginkgo]

How do you fail

As Germany i can literally battleplan the ussr and still win?uk should be easier than that

[sly venture]

like just look at this

[small bluff]

Hey. In yours opinion, what is the worst country to play in HOI IV? Just Vanilla.

[lilac ginkgo]

all with just 1 full army

[lilac ginkgo]

yemen

[sly venture]

they should not be able to hold that

[small bluff]

Argument.

[lilac ginkgo]

its Yemen

[lilac ginkgo]

10 divs per tile

[small bluff]

Yemen have terrorist. Dont count.

Argument better.

[lilac ginkgo]

nvm

[lilac ginkgo]

So having terrorists is good

[sly venture]

they got all the population of the uk on the frontline

[lilac ginkgo]

They did whatever they had to

[small bluff]

And second?

[sly venture]

why did they have to buff the uk in gotterdamrung

it used to be so easy

[lilac ginkgo]

sometimes you just gotta get them all killed for the greater good

[jaunty delta]

why does paradox give such intricate focus tree to some random countries

[lilac ginkgo]

You said having terrorists is good i don't agree with you

Terrorists suck

[small bluff]

No lol.

[lilac ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/asyrafcat-discord-meme-ok-buddy-ok-gif-15023196264613133677

[small bluff]

I dont say terrorist is good. I say Yemen does not count because he have terrorists and that mean they are special. Because... well. They explode.

[faint fiber]

https://youtube.com/shorts/0NwITCHEwhM?si=H3WjB_cc7D5qMxin

[snow rain]

underequipped inf attacking, that's normal that you're struggling
where are your tanks ? and where is air support

SHOIGU

[sly venture]

Idk how to equip my army better

[snow rain]

fill up deficits

more mils on equipment you lack

[fossil dragon]

they 100% cooked

[smoky prairie]

Tenno Haika Banzi ladies and gentlemen

[sudden thistle]

Turkey or Romania

Out of countries that have focus trees

[fair horizon]

Italy or romania

[lilac ginkgo]

Why Italy

[lilac ginkgo]

And turkey doesnt suck

[fair horizon]

Debuffs make it basically a minor until 1940 at the minimum

[jaunty delta]

switzerland is yucky

[lilac ginkgo]

aussa has a focus tree btw

[small bluff]

Califa vs thiefs.

[fair horizon]

And thats if you ignore your political tree

[lilac ginkgo]

te tai să moară famila mea

[sudden thistle]

I actually had fun with them

[lilac ginkgo]

ce hoți suntem noi

hua

[lilac ginkgo]

no

aussa isnt better than romania

[sudden thistle]

Thank god it’s my opinion 🤯

[lilac ginkgo]

canada also has some zombie focus how is that better

[lilac ginkgo]

thats why freedom of speech shouldn't be given to everyone

[mighty zephyr]

turkey better than every country AWOOO 🇹🇷 🇹🇷 🐺

[lilac ginkgo]

no

[sudden thistle]

All u do is argue bro

[lilac ginkgo]

so this is arguing

[sudden thistle]

Go touch some grass outside please 🥰

[lilac ginkgo]

I thought you didnt mind a joke or two

but alright

[small bluff]

By the way, Turkey > Romania.

Is more funny form the Ottoman Empire, or create a new Turkish Empire.

[lilac ginkgo]

no

[safe wing]

Turkey is better but not by much

[vocal bolt]

how long does it take for lend lease to arrive

[safe wing]

It just takes too damn long

[small bluff]

I know. Anatolia dont have so much good states.

[vocal bolt]

I sent 10k convoys to my subject to lower their autonomy

nothing happenbed

[safe wing]

Look at the dates they arrive

[lilac ginkgo]

they need more

[small bluff]

One month in game.

[vocal bolt]

11k

perchance

[fair horizon]

Takes time to get them over there

[heavy vigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/356955790654963712/1403775721494810758/hello.gif

[lilac ginkgo]

what

[fair horizon]

Play romania then

[lilac ginkgo]

no

[prime marsh]

turkey is all abt ottoman and kemalism

[fair horizon]

its awful

[prime marsh]

all ideologies are limited with kemalism

[lilac ginkgo]

is it now

[heavy vigil]

catsium

[lilac ginkgo]

alright

[vocal bolt]

can someone explain

no delivery yet next delivery is "anytime"

tf does that mean

[small bluff]

Yeah. But you need to admit that Mustafá Kemal Ataturk is the second badass turkish, just the second against Mehmeh II.