hoi4-general

[unkempt zodiac]

can u send me your front line?

[paper mango]

i dont have it anymore. at that time.

[woeful knoll]

dude

the ai cant do peace deals

[paper mango]

but i had 18 width, inf with supprot art, aa and engineer comp.
i had a mix of planes but wass currently using the improved small, with 3x heavy.

[primal timber]

gonna hit desperate defense in my doctrine so i can get 10% recruitable lmao

[unkempt zodiac]

you need a defensive war btw

[unkempt zodiac]

did you not have enough divisions?

[paper mango]

i did, the germans just had strong tanks for some reason.

and i only have this problem with the soviets

[primal timber]

guess what

[paper mango]

like i can do other countries just fine

and overrun germany

[primal timber]

supply situation is insane though

i'll have to fix that

[woeful knoll]

"the germans had strong tanks for some reason"

[unkempt zodiac]

dude once they hit like a million casualties they stop doing major offensives

[primal timber]

gonna have to pitch up some motorized hubs

[paper mango]

not for me

[primal timber]

wait you probably need a railway first

[unkempt zodiac]

you also maybe didnt invest into supply or they are bombing your railways into oblivion

[paper mango]

eventually i retreated to the river from dnipropetrovsk to latvia and hold out a bit longer. then the allies evnetually won the warf or me while they almost capped me. but still

[paper mango]

all lvl 5 railways with extra supply build

and on the max level of motorization for supply

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[paper mango]

so idk, i only get these problems with the soviets

[unkempt zodiac]

dude idk..

as the soviets you start out with debuffs on army and air

did you work towards those?

maybe not do doctrines?

[paper mango]

i did the max for army that yuou can do before the defensive war.
and i did the 4 focusses that decreases the air debuff

[paper mango]

i did assign them. what doctrines do you reccoment for the soviets specifically

[ember vine]

Isn't it good to retreat to north Sweden and let the Finnish partisans finish these mfs off

[unkempt zodiac]

grand battleplan

always

[paper mango]

yea, i always do thos

[unkempt zodiac]

invest into tanks

you get REALLY good buffs for the machine building plant

you can try encircling german troops where you have decent air and the terrain isnt terrible

[paper mango]

but for the subdoctorines

[unkempt zodiac]

the grand assault gives you planning bonus which is always awesome

and i do defensive postures cus its amazing

[paper mango]

ok yea then i do the same ones

[unkempt zodiac]

i also do defensive postures when playing as germany too

because you only ever want to push with armor

and use infantry as line holders

[paper mango]

i sometimes do large unit tactics for some countries if i am too lazy to do tanks, and that also work normally for offensive

but its just the soviets that do weird stuff

[icy egret]

yo

[cedar lance]

hello pyro

[paper mango]

so i will try it again this time maybe build some forts just cause why not

[broken holly]

Hi

[cedar lance]

hello szo

i wanted to try out a couple few of the hoi4 div icon mods

but it crashed for me

[mellow parrot]

Finally

[woeful knoll]

The horde rides again

[mellow parrot]

Thats awesome

[rocky basin]

the fuck is this?

[primal timber]

roundabout invasion

thought i was being naval invaded nope its just naval combat

[snow rain]

your puppet not in the war

[rocky basin]

Oh yeah my fault

I called everyone and everyone joined but them

[woven gate]

me and my buddy are gonna play France and Britain again

this time i'll be France

and i'm gonna go for Mobile Warfare

build only mils because 8 mils won't cut it

[cursive oxide]

how to biat the uk to guarantyin ?

[woven gate]

send an attache to the republican spain for war support

and mobilize

[primal timber]

its holy week

figured i'd do a pope run

how'd ethiopia take so long

was mussolini stupid

[woven gate]

well yeah

[snow rain]

mobile warfare is abysmal dogshit as doctrine
either pick grand battleplan (best for attack) or superior firepower (op for continuous defense, meh for attack)
anything else is bad

[woven gate]

nah hold on lemme larp

france is in good hands promise

[snow rain]

you can still build tanks

just don't choose useless doctrines :(

[primal timber]

how'd you get here

[snow rain]

volunteers ?

[ember vine]

First one is easy

Non historical USSR almost always breaks down

[primal timber]

whoops

[restive sable]

good to know

[woeful knoll]

Tis makes 0 sense

Why is sovietsnot surrendering

Leningrad, stalingrad, moscow, vladivlastok, mongolia, are all gone

[primal timber]

how much % are they towards capitulation

[woeful knoll]

90

[primal timber]

think you'll have to wait for the germans to capture a few more cities

there's barely any VPs in siberia as far as i can tell

[restive sable]

get collab governments

[molten forge]

sooo what does it mean you give a order to an army but it doesnt execute it

[hallow fable]

So I did a thing

[primal timber]

what's the point of having 18w infantry again

[primal timber]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[hallow fable]

I'm genuinely confused how I haven't fallen yet.

Fascist Belgium for the win, I guess.

[primal timber]

sorry i had to tilt my entire monitor 90 degrees to figure out what was going on causing my house to collapse and my neck to break

[shadow hearth]

.

[molten forge]

big brother germany and his younger brother romania

[onyx echo]

guyys do this game get fun after you learn it as a new plyaer

[primal timber]

uhhh i guess

[onyx echo]

is it worth spending alot of hours to learn it

[woeful knoll]

Play a fun country

What r u playing

[ripe slate]

Yeh

[onyx echo]

i dont have the game

[ripe slate]

takes like 15-20 hours to get good enough for it to be fun

[woeful knoll]

Yes it gets fun after you learn it

[primal timber]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[woeful knoll]

Every game gets fun after you lear nit

[ripe slate]

Well dont get it rn, its usually on large sale and not right now

[woeful knoll]

more like

at least

300

[ripe slate]

Yeh to be good

[primal timber]

15-20 hours

[woeful knoll]

i have 500hours and im still a "noob"

[primal timber]

i'm at 680 and i still don't understand the navy

[ripe slate]

Please dont discuss that stuff here, rule 6

[woeful knoll]

offical discord server with devs btw

[ripe slate]

Spam light cruiser harder than your opponent = victory

[onyx echo]

wait

[onyx echo]

when does it go on sale and whats the price for it next sale

[woeful knoll]

just spam battlehipd bro

[ripe slate]

One of the sales just ended

Usually every...

idk 2 months

[onyx echo]

when did it end

how cheap does it become

[ripe slate]

18€ for starter edition

[restive sable]

i think you forgot a couple zeros there

[ripe slate]

so thats ah...70%~ sale I think

[onyx echo]

man thats still expensive

[ripe slate]

I shouldve written "good enough for it to be fun"

[restive sable]

i must've been playing this game VERY wrong i didnt even get a real good grasp until i had like 300 hours 😭😭

[onyx echo]

i mean i do have 708 hours on a copy hoi4 on roblox i might be atleast slightly better than the averagebeginner

[restive sable]

RoN mentioned 🥹

[primal timber]

i don't even do cruisers i just spam these two basic designs

[onyx echo]

u play it?

[restive sable]

used to play it alot

[primal timber]

hope you know hoi4 is nothing like ron 🙏

[restive sable]

true

[ripe slate]

bonk Light cruiser

[primal timber]

ow

[ripe slate]

Eeeeeeeh

[onyx echo]

when will hoi4 go on sale

[primal timber]

eeehhhhhhh

[onyx echo]

oh cmon it was on sale like 3 weeks ago for 15 euros

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-professor-farnsworth-professor-farnsworth-bender-gif-25198969

[ripe slate]

At its latest 3 months in Steam summer sale

Probably earlier though

[onyx echo]

grr

[primal timber]

i should've bought arma 3 days ago smh

[onyx echo]

uwu

[ripe slate]

Eh?

[onyx echo]

but why does it take 400 days ot justify a war

[primal timber]

am i bugging or is your pfp a monochrome windows 11 background

[onyx echo]

its gonna be forver to declare a war

[onyx echo]

it is

[primal timber]

who in the world manually justifies

[onyx echo]

wdym

u have to a justify a war to declare aw ra

[primal timber]

if you do it through a focus that's at worst 70 days

[onyx echo]

ooo

what if u wanna declare a war on a country htats not in ur focus

[onyx echo]

oh yeah i forgot i found out yesterday

[primal timber]

you can manually justify there

at that point its 2/3rds of a year

[heavy vigil]

hiii marijn211 [Road to 56&Toolpack]

[onyx echo]

someone called me a dopamine addict cus i said 400 days to justify a war is too long ( didnt know about the focus)

[ripe slate]

Hello Casey theta* delta

[heavy vigil]

theta delta :>

[restive sable]

as what country

what the hell

[primal timber]

eh?

you can get a justification on like

all your neighbors within a 1/4th of a year

[polar radish]

Add field hospital

[primal timber]

you just need to do some mingling around here

a little

skedaddling

ah yes

would you like some random islands for an alliance?

[carmine palm]

seems like a win to me if im greek or turkish

unless the ally is stupid

[primal timber]

hoi4 rule #574 never trust the italians

[carmine palm]

[restive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-meme-truth-lie-gif-9021535758661504197

[lilac python]

W anti communist action

[woven gate]

god france is ass

[light goblet]

true.....

[woven gate]

it's like 8 of my divisions can't push back 1 german one because the german one is german

[kind reef]

Playing Germany makes me understand why Hitler invaded France through Belgium

[woven gate]

playing germany makes me understand why german people are gay and miserable

[light goblet]

i thought you meant early game france but

[woven gate]

GOD I HATE GERMANY

[light goblet]

that works too

[woven gate]

AAAAAGGHHHH

[primal timber]

are some of yall physically unable to do a screencap

also the hell's going on in hungary

[ivory hull]

no manpower and not even a field marshal?

just assign one

its like 2 clicks

[lethal ether]

0 manpowerr

[light goblet]

probably nonhistorical because the german empire basically never forms

oh wait

i thought they were lpaying as poland

😡😡😡

[primal timber]

they're conscripting the ants now

[lethal ether]

ant ant ant

🐜

[lilac python]

got swallowed by the Czech

[primal timber]

accidentally unpaused the game why does germany want me

oh right ethiopia

[lilac python]

Monarchist path is very good tbh

Depends on preference tbh

[primal timber]

just noticed carol over in romania

now has a big hat

i have

[light goblet]

king carol is actually the best leader because he keeps throwing all these awesome parties

[primal timber]

quite a few qualms with playing historical germany

why i never done it

only von neurath

fairly certain they're doing the anschluss now

rodolfo can i borrow you for a moment

they just left my faction

not my problem anymore

[polar radish]

IMO it’s the best tree in the game

[primal timber]

otto please let my troops go

[supple osprey]

Never in a million years...

[primal timber]

chat what do i do if another country is holding my troops ransom

[tender portal]

Civil War AHHHH

[lilac ginkgo]

Hes great huh

I love his parties

Theres no party like a carol party

[primal timber]

welcome back 1806

[tender portal]

Old Times

[primal timber]

i forgot you lose graziani if you stopped being fascist so now i have these two

[tender portal]

do you Chose the Rome Protocol Path?

[west peak]

i won my first civil war 🙂 lets gooooo

[primal timber]

yeah

[tender portal]

Supreme W

[primal timber]

didn't earn much for me though

because

[tender portal]

Oh Nice

[primal timber]

i'm not gonna bother with what's going on here

[lethal ether]

how many divisions does china start with?

[primal timber]

don't remember the exacts but i reckon atleast 2 armies worth

looked it up

85

[lethal ether]

alr thanks

[primal timber]

70 days for 10 oil

https://tenor.com/view/meme-speed-ishowspeed-laugh-meme-speed-laugh-gif-6267705318207350410

[heavy vigil]

BIG

its 10 base

so in reality its more like 20+ depending on state

with all modifiers besides like dam/civ reactor its like 32 oil

[tender portal]

LOL

im Crushing the Allies as France

[heavy vigil]

i think

[trim lotus]

In fairness, they're hideously underequipped, undersize divisions.

[primal timber]

petrolibya gives you 25

[heavy vigil]

all of china combined is like 120 ish

[soft marsh]

bro canada goverment is just a mod

[tender portal]

I took egypt

[tender portal]

HOI4 is Funny As hell

why Canada is doing that

💔

[primal timber]

what if i just stole iraq

[tender portal]

and i stole Syira, Jordan and The Suez

[primal timber]

still waiting on 50 non-aligned support

gonna get 25 oil in libya now

[tender portal]

i capizulated Turkey

and i going now for Egypt Now

i gonna eat the Baltics

[primal timber]

germany isn't doing too great

[tender portal]

germany is cooked

[primal timber]

italian generals watching fiat design another terrible tank

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-orangutan-gif-22008155

[safe wing]

M19/39

[tender portal]

look

☠️

[primal timber]

this is what TFR looks like after 10 hours

[soft escarp]

This is what a 1936 start game looks like after custom rules

[safe wing]

Looks like hoi4 whenever i accidentally load all my mods

[soft escarp]

Weakest Finland playthrough

[primal timber]

can't imagine what would've happened if they let teddy roosevelt on the frontlines in ww1

[soft escarp]

My best finland iron man play

[winged field]

man must have been so pissed that they didnt let him lol

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-doom-doomguy-doom-slayer-gif-1856426728697571896

Teddy Roosevelt, Freddy Fazbear, and Goku vs the German army in 1918

Who wins

[tender portal]

Average No-History Gameplay:

[woven gate]

teddy wiping the krauts singlehandedly

[soft escarp]

Me

I Wouldve beaten the soviets, Jerrys, Brits and yanks

in the second world war

Alone.

[knotty beacon]

What’s a good nation to play in vanilla as new player

[severe maple]

Germany

Basically gives you everything you need to thrive

Does anyone know of a fun civil war to do? Ive just done the Russian one and want a fun civil war

[vital cove]

Spanish?

[vocal bolt]

hearts of iron

[severe maple]

Eh yea ig Spanish one could be fun

[woven gate]

maybe spain

greece has a cool one

[vocal bolt]

first time trying world conquest is going great

I got 67.7% so far

only real roadblock now is japan and justification time on small nations

the issue with japan is that the second you take the soviets they declare war on you so I didt have time to build supply hubs

[vivid juniper]

Is it just me or do Chinese nations seem ti have a invisible debuff

Even with compete military tree and same template they are weaker

[lethal ether]

first japan game with no mods

[severe maple]

They have political nerfs

[vocal bolt]

supply prob

[severe maple]

Im pretty sure

And supply yea

[vocal bolt]

I hate fighting there in general

I always try to avoid fighting the japanese aswell

the supply there is so shit that its just not fun

[lethal ether]

ts easier than i expected only like 2 days passed

[vivid juniper]

Commie china and Nat China struggle against Japan even late game

[vocal bolt]

its 1943 in my save

I am having supply issues

I own 70% of the world

[woven gate]

i usually take China by late 40

could prob optimize that

[vivid juniper]

Japan has no problems bulldozing them in non historical

Just have to be well prepared

Even with Kwantung Army clock

[west peak]

defending turkey from the axis :/

[snow rain]

use your political power to get manpower and stab and put yours armies under a marshal, free stats

and pick doctrines already

[west peak]

how do i do that

[icy egret]

always do that

[stark elbow]

could someone please give some serious tips to beat ussr as germany? i really have no idea, i use 7inf/2art

[icy egret]

And your tanks?

[safe wing]

One don’t use 7/2s or line artillery period

[stark elbow]

i dont use them are they that worth?

[snow rain]

inf and arty have no breakthrough

[icy egret]

What unit are you using to attack? Rocket Trucks?

[snow rain]

tanks have breakthrough

[icy egret]

Like infantry is purely and only for defending

[stark elbow]

in fact, i've been using for all my runs 7/2

[icy egret]

Oh

yeah don’t lol

[polar radish]

36w inf spam

[stark elbow]

never built tanks since i thought they would take up alot of industry

[icy egret]

Hoi4 is a game of encirclements.

You have lots of infantry to defend, then use fat 30 width tank divisions to encircle enemy divisons faster than they can encircle yours. The only reason germany can get far with infantry only is because they are easy

[vocal bolt]

9 inf support art support engi my goat

[icy egret]

They do, but 48 division’s infantry are nothing compared to 1 or 2 good tank divisions.

[vocal bolt]

maybe 9/1

[winged field]

depends what inf

18w wont make it

but full front 36w will

[icy egret]

Line artillery is overrated, the only reason infantry should be attacking is when the war is already over and your just battle planning the last cities.

[stark elbow]

are the tanks that good? what about motorized infantry

[winged field]

(what the hell is micro)

[icy egret]

You definitely need tanks. Without them you don’t push.

[winged field]

just push with infantry (brutal)

[vocal bolt]

mass assault or whatever doctrine inf builds will tear those apart

[winged field]

motorized is bad, stick to normal infantry or spec forces

[vocal bolt]

honestly just 9inf blocks are enough to fin the game if you just invest in air

[polar radish]

Not true

[icy egret]

You get like four or five good tank division’s, back them up with motorized, then micro those tanks to encircle the enemy and fill the gap with motorized.

Do this enough times and the enemy cannot make new units fast enough or replace losses.

[vocal bolt]

good cas + 9 inf support arty template will let you win against ai with no issue

[icy egret]

Do not take ground simply to take ground, especially with the USSR or China or USA.

[vocal bolt]

how to run out of fuel in 10 days

[safe wing]

9/0 Infantry and 13/8 tanks or medium SPG

[vocal bolt]

yeah 9/0 can do anything

[polar radish]

Like legit ion know what you are saying pyro boss 😭

[stark elbow]

honestly i always underrated tanks for the fear of ending up in deficit and unable to replace the losses, i guess next time i'll try man thanks

[vocal bolt]

using motorized to jsut fill frontlines is stupid

[polar radish]

36w spam and CAS is meta

[vocal bolt]

yes

[safe wing]

I'm gonna be focusing on Tanks as Kodha Japan BTW

[vocal bolt]

yeah thats what I mean

[icy egret]

Infantry is extremely overrated for attack.

[vocal bolt]

but shit cas in general is just meta

[winged field]

btw u dont need tanks, idk what he is saying

[polar radish]

Works in MP and SP

[vocal bolt]

if you got cas anything goes

[safe wing]

because I'm fighting the USSR and China primarly

[vocal bolt]

am doing my world conquests with 9/1 inf and cas and nothing else

[polar radish]

It works in meta mp games because you can grind your opponent out of equipment

[vocal bolt]

hoi4 mp sucks

[icy egret]

Do not battleplan infantry

[vocal bolt]

"well you cant play that bc then I have to actually use my brain so its BANNED"

[polar radish]

Do.

Like

It’s meta 😭

[vocal bolt]

you arnet allowed to use spacemarines bc wuh guh I dont want to grind anti tank

[icy egret]

Almost every country in the game will run out of manpower insanely fast

[vocal bolt]

I dont know a signle country that cant produce 9/0

[polar radish]

The point of the tactic is to be able to grind your opponents manpower and equipment down before you run out

[stark elbow]

my slovenian puppet made them too!

[polar radish]

Which it does

Very effectively

[winged field]

just have 500hp (brutal)

[polar radish]

Both SP and MP the opponent underestimated how much equipment is needed

[heavy vigil]

i do

[tender portal]

Lol

[heavy vigil]

youd either go larger for like shorter fronts and less losses or smaller just to fill more tiles

[finite plume]

Something looks a bit off

Can't quite put my finger on it

[heavy vigil]

but in europe you have like infinite IC so idk why people complain

[stark elbow]

he tried to sneak in

[icy egret]

what do you mean 9/0, like just 9 infantry?

[sudden thistle]

Prob just the wind

[safe wing]

yeah

9 infantry with support companies

[stark elbow]

what is 13/8?

[icy egret]

Then there’s no line arty

That’s support arty

[finite plume]

Ah that must be it

[safe wing]

13 medium tanks or SPG's with 8 mechanized

[polar radish]

Use 36w for attack 16/18 for defense

[heavy vigil]

or maybe its this too

[vocal bolt]

9 inf support arty and mayne support engi if you are rich

[polar radish]

I just go half n half

[stark elbow]

thx

[vocal bolt]

I like 35w inf

[polar radish]

How do you get 35w pure inf.

[ivory hull]

isnt 42w a little big?

[vocal bolt]

line arty

[icy egret]

Really only works if your a larger country than your opponent. Like your telling me on my next Bulgaria playthrough to just battleplan Germany with infantry, got it.

[polar radish]

Line arty is shit

[vocal bolt]

boo hoo idc if its not optimal

[ivory hull]

line arty is bad

[vocal bolt]

I like it

[polar radish]

Yes it’s only good for majors

I’ll agree w that

[heavy vigil]

yes

[vocal bolt]

arty should have either less widht or have breakthrough

[heavy vigil]

but you should use 32w inf

you lose less

[icy egret]

Bro with majors you can win with anything, that’s just easy mode

[polar radish]

36

[heavy vigil]

too large

bad in urban and mountains

[sudden thistle]

True

[heavy vigil]

and jungle

[stark elbow]

would y'all prefer horizontal chilean civil or vertical chilean civil war

[sudden thistle]

Both

4 way civil war

[vocal bolt]

25 widht mountaneers bittersteel style

[polar radish]

You don’t really plan to fight there generally

[vocal bolt]

I like mountaneers alot but for some reason I dont have special forces doctrine

[stark elbow]

stretched windows logo

[vocal bolt]

is special forces doctrine dlc

[winged field]

dlc?

[vocal bolt]

which

[swift violet]

I mean 36 width mountaineers would do better

[winged field]

AAT i think

[vocal bolt]

special forces cap

[polar radish]

36w everything

[icy egret]

What you do is spam out division’s with like 5 infantry in them and pray the enemy doesn’t attack them much meanwhile your spg, MBT and motorizeds make encirclements fast enough to offset not having enough manpower to man the entire front well enough

[sudden thistle]

Y’all should try this really fun sheep’s mod

[swift violet]

Depends on how you describe fun

For me

Ts is impossible

[sudden thistle]

It’s great!

[vocal bolt]

then you pump out like 2 divs max

[swift violet]

2 elephants are stronger than 10 dogs

Put it that way

[winged field]

or just abuse special forces cap

[vocal bolt]

2 elephants cant be at 10 places at once

[stark elbow]

real

[vocal bolt]

mountaneers already cook most stuff if you place them on mountains

[swift violet]

Yeah but in the situations they're in they decimate

Also

Just use mountaineer/marine hybrid unit

[vocal bolt]

I like 8/3 mountaneer

[vocal bolt]

am not researching allat

[swift violet]

Its two research lines bro

[vocal bolt]

ontop of all other stuff

[swift violet]

Like 160 days each

[ivory hull]

rangers and marines would probably work better

[vocal bolt]

mind you most nations start with 3 slots

[swift violet]

I can fit them in ez

[vocal bolt]

thats like 1/3rd of a year

[severe maple]

Im genuinely terrible at this game so I just do random things

[swift violet]

Marines are far better than mountaineers anyways

Like

[severe maple]

Are Tanks really the best focus?

[vocal bolt]

I dont like marines

[swift violet]

When do you encounter mountains in europe

[vocal bolt]

no

cas

always cas

[ivory hull]

special forces and cas

[vocal bolt]

number 1 priority is cas

[swift violet]

The alps r ez to push anyways

[severe maple]

CAS?

[vocal bolt]

or atleast aa

either good cas or insane aa

otherwise you just lose

[ivory hull]

close air support

[swift violet]

Yeah

CAS gives like base 30% attack bonus if you got air superiority

[severe maple]

Damn

[ivory hull]

having a lot of cas just melts the ai

[severe maple]

Well I want to have a civil war, someone choose my nation so I can test this

[swift violet]

Everyone

[ivory hull]

true

[swift violet]

Easiest civil war is probably UK

[ivory hull]

just go on germany

[swift violet]

Spain is decently challenging tbf against ai

[severe maple]

Im not looking for easy tbf

[swift violet]

Well republican spain

[severe maple]

Ya think I should go hard mode and do Socialist and or Democratic germany

[swift violet]

Nationalists can get like 14 volunteer divisions

[ivory hull]

why hard mode?

[swift violet]

Republicans can only get like 8

[polar radish]

So OP

[swift violet]

Indeed

[severe maple]

Cuz the socialist side of the civil war is intensely difficult thats all I mean

Its easier to do monarch

[swift violet]

Planning is also cruical as well

Planning is king

[safe wing]

it isn't?

I had an eaiser time as the Anarchists than the Carlists

[severe maple]

Im talking about germany

Not spain

[safe wing]

oh MB

[severe maple]

Ye

Ur good

German socialists get like 1/10 of germany and no troops and ur surrounded by 2-3 factions

[ivory hull]

the volkskommisariats are also op

[severe maple]

Volkskommisariats?

[ivory hull]

yea

the ones that the one communist path gets

[severe maple]

Ah

[safe wing]

one of my favorite things to do as Kodha Japan

[severe maple]

I just realized I have rt56 on, anyone know if the dive bomber is the same as CAS cuz I think it is

[wide osprey]

hey guys
anyone knows what's this map mod

🙂

[severe maple]

Wdym

Like what makes the map look like that?

[wide osprey]

uuuuh yeah?

[ivory hull]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1776521171&searchtext=terrain
might be this

[stark elbow]

whats that map mod

[wide osprey]

forgot what do you call these mods

let me check

[severe maple]

I think i use the same mod

I dont remember the name

[stark elbow]

wait i think i know it

js gotta search for a sec

could be opaque political map or stege map mod

[onyx echo]

guys can someone start a steam family with me so i can play it

[unkempt zodiac]

what is bro feeding his generals 😭

[swift violet]

Who are SOME of these generals

[ivory hull]

the army setup is just horrible

[lethal ether]

he asked what mod it is so im pretty sure its not his screenshot

[ivory hull]

its still weird

and bad

[lethal ether]

probably ai?

[ivory hull]

dont even know what to say

nah

thats not ai

[lethal ether]

the ai usually does it like that

[ivory hull]

he even named his theatres and stuff

[swift violet]

You should really only be using 2 generals and 1 field martial

[ivory hull]

western and eastern front

its def a player setup

[lethal ether]

could be modded

[ivory hull]

very weird one

[lethal ether]

idk

[swift violet]

One general for inf the other for special forces or tanks

[ivory hull]

looks like it

[swift violet]

You can stack 400 divisions on 1 general it's fine

[lethal ether]

i mean the mod automatically sets the name

for the theaters

if its ai

[ivory hull]

its fine to use more than two

[swift violet]

No genuinely

Use only 2 generals and 1 field martial

[ivory hull]

the eastern fron theatre has groups of 40 tho

[ivory hull]

why would i?

cant even grind properly then

[swift violet]

Less hassle to micro divisions plus 100% stat reduction doesn't really matter

I think this only applies to the generals stats

So the division gets untouched

[ivory hull]

that isnt really an argument

[swift violet]

It is

You only lose the generals buffs from stats

[ivory hull]

microing just makes it go better for you

and why would i wanna lose out on buffs and on a potential grind?

thats just dumb

[swift violet]

Its less hassle to micro all your inf into like 10 generals

[lethal ether]

battleplan would be so nice if the ai knew how to attack from multiple sides

and not just straight forward

[swift violet]

Plus even tho the general loses his stats

He keeps his traits

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-cantrell-jerry-cantrell-alice-in-chains-aic-gif-27690487

[ivory hull]

why would i still do that?

its just better to use multiple

[polar radish]

Bro got these dudes leading 4 ppl

[soft escarp]

Guys

[winged field]

battles are won with best artillery something something - probably Bonaparte while eating a baguette

[soft escarp]

is 1,5 million troops enough to invade yugoslavian countries for different directions?

[lethal ether]

ur organization..

[ivory hull]

take out the line arty, recon and field hospitals

[soft escarp]

Never really cared to look at those divion stats

never in my life have i looked at them

[ivory hull]

wdym

[soft escarp]

well basically what i mean is

When i start a game

I update my division

and never touch it again

[ivory hull]

yeaa

still take out the line arty

its just horrible

[soft escarp]

the support one

[ivory hull]

no

the battalion one

support arty is good

line arty isnt

[soft escarp]

why take out the line arty

[ivory hull]

its bad

[soft escarp]

more arty = good

[ivory hull]

nope

exact opposite

[soft escarp]

more dynamite = better

[ivory hull]

its worse for hp/org than inf

and has a bigger width

[soft escarp]

I don't know what that means

[ivory hull]

just take it out

[winged field]

Higher than it should be lol

[soft escarp]

what if i dont want to take it out?

as a matter of fact

im gonna add more arty

[ivory hull]

your gonna waste your industry on the artillery

like if you wanna do it

[soft escarp]

is this good

[ivory hull]

then do it

[soft escarp]

buddy my industry is the best in the world currently

[ivory hull]

your italy?

[soft escarp]

im using 10 mils on my artillery

[ivory hull]

so probably not

[soft escarp]

aint even much

[ivory hull]

could be 2

[soft escarp]

artillery is so good

[ivory hull]

you dont look too strong

artillery just works against the ai

your better off

using special forces

or spg tanks

[soft escarp]

i am playing against AI?

[soft escarp]

ive got the biggest army in europe

most factories

[ivory hull]

line artillery is still bad

[soft escarp]

ive won every war ive had with less than 4k casualties

[ivory hull]

doesnt change the fact

[soft escarp]

No it isnt

[ivory hull]

how many hours do you have?

[soft escarp]

1,004.6

[ivory hull]

then how do you still not know that line arty is bad

your not even new

[lethal ether]

isnt it just the fact that its expensive

[ivory hull]

it performs worse than regular infantry

bigger width

worse for org/hp

[soft escarp]

ive been playing for like 5 years

always used line arty

literally won wars with artillery

[ivory hull]

line arty was good before nsb

[soft escarp]

Speak english

[ivory hull]

bro that is english

what are you talking about

[heavy vigil]

nao

[soft escarp]

"Nsb" "org"

[lethal ether]

no step back

[soft escarp]

Dude i have NEVER looked at division stats

[lethal ether]

organization

[ivory hull]

nsb for no step back

[ivory hull]

playing for five years with 1k hours?

[soft escarp]

9 infrantry

2 artillery

support divs

[soft escarp]

yeah?

[ivory hull]

like use it if you want

[soft escarp]

I have a life buddy

[ivory hull]

its just not good/optimal

[heavy vigil]

chat

[soft escarp]

I dont game 10 hours of hoi4 a day

[ivory hull]

didnt doubt that

[soft escarp]

"you only have 1k hours with 5 years"

Sub 5 iq statement

[lethal ether]

i cant tell if hes ragebaiting or if he actually got turned on by that

[wanton whale]

Why does my diplomacy look like the average AI nation???

[ivory hull]

was just wondering that you had no idea that line arty is bad after all that time

[heavy vigil]

you wouldnt have known

theres so much conflicting information

[soft escarp]

dude artillery is good

[ivory hull]

is there?

[soft escarp]

how should i deploy mediam artillery tanks

[lethal ether]

wouldnt 10 hours a day for hoi4 be like 18k hours?

[soft escarp]

im currently buiilding Medium SPGs. Medium tanks, Heavy tanks, and Heavy tank destroyers

no problem

[heavy vigil]

yes

reddit, forums, youtube, discord, wiki

[ivory hull]

true

[safe elbow]

anybody wanna play i can play Road to 56 , Vanilla or Novexium vellium

[vocal bolt]

hopital good

[soft escarp]

yes

[ivory hull]

too expensive a lot of the time tho

[vocal bolt]

question

what does recon even tho

[ivory hull]

but if you have the industry

then yes

[soft escarp]

???????????

first youre saying its bad

now its good

[ivory hull]

if you have to industry

to support it

then field hospitals

are worth it

[soft escarp]

I have the industry.

literally the first thing i said

[ivory hull]

then leave the field hospitals

[soft escarp]

yeah?

artillery

-2 org

while +50 soft attack

doesnt mean literally anything

just say ur nation is too broke for artillery

[ivory hull]

your better off using special forces/tanks to push

[soft escarp]

spetsnaz?

[ivory hull]

that doesnt make that much sense

[ivory hull]

bro what

mountaineers/rangers/marines

[soft escarp]

Special fores

[ivory hull]

ig paratroopers

[soft escarp]

ahh

i have mountaineers

nvm i deleted them in 1937

[ivory hull]

whats the template?

[soft escarp]

4 useless divs

Buddy

this game isnt this serius

that you need a different division for every type of ground there is

For jungles use rangers

mountains for mountaineers

gng just use infrantry

easier

[ivory hull]

bro im just telling you that line artillery performs worse than special forces

[soft escarp]

No it doesnt

Im not listening to a non italian

[ivory hull]

special forces just have a lot more stats than normal inf

[soft escarp]

@woeful knoll Is artillery bad?

Artillery isnt ad

bad

[ivory hull]

compare this to your division

[soft escarp]

im going to invade the balkans now with less than 5k casualties

[ivory hull]

and see for yourself

[soft escarp]

what am i supposed to be seeing here=

?

random numbers?

dude i DONT care

[ivory hull]

not random numbers?

[soft escarp]

there isnt artilelry

[ivory hull]

yeaa?

because that is bad

[soft escarp]

how big of an army do you have?=

[fair horizon]

hello chat

[ivory hull]

that game i had like 120 to like 240 divs

[soft escarp]

Which one would you rather have.

Artillery or Seamen marines

[ivory hull]

was a germany game

in like 1942

[soft escarp]

artillery literally won me a war against the entire world

[fair horizon]

defnitely the marines

[ivory hull]

armored cars can do the same

dont mean they are good

[soft escarp]

Youre supposed to be on my side

Artillery is good

[polar radish]

This no longer works. Check the amphibious invasion modifier

[fair horizon]

you asked someone who enjoys navy to also enjoy artillery?

i have a floating fortress

i need not the artillery

[ivory hull]

no that one still works

[soft escarp]

okay if artillery is so bad why does anyone use them? why doesnt the US army just spam marines them

Hoi4 isnt this deep

[polar radish]

Hover over amphibious modifier rq

[ivory hull]

because this is a video game

[soft escarp]

so?

[ivory hull]

im not in that game

[soft escarp]

yall treating this too serious

[wide osprey]

but there is no videos in the game 😭

[soft escarp]

ive used marines a few times

[unkempt zodiac]

😭

[polar radish]

Support arty is good, line arty kills org tho

[vocal bolt]

used to be

[soft escarp]

invaded japan with them in 46

iron man USA

[polar radish]

Mfs just father everyone in a room and got and holler 😭

[vocal bolt]

you could watch tutorial videos baked into the game

[soft escarp]

ive always used artillery

[unkempt zodiac]

14 org...

[wide osprey]

ayo?

[soft escarp]

Artillery is emta

meta

[vocal bolt]

they had built in tutorial videos

[polar radish]

No it isn’t.

[ivory hull]

bro

[vocal bolt]

then they took it down

[soft escarp]

Why wouldnt i use artillery

[polar radish]

Whoever told you this is lying

[polar radish]

Line arty has no org

[ivory hull]

this gotta be ragebait

[soft escarp]

The battle of mikkeli was literally won with artillery

[polar radish]

The CW is better used on inf

[fair horizon]

the real question, do you navy or do you not navy?

[soft escarp]

me?

[fair horizon]

answer the question

[soft escarp]

yes i do build ships, And i do use my navy. However if im like germany i just build subs if im not using mods, as the US i build a lot of ships

No i dont know the "navy" meta

battleships and carriers and subs

[fair horizon]

subs? ngmi 🥀

[soft escarp]

win wars

why would i spend my resources of building anything else than subs as germany?

when i literally need them for tanks and other equipment

[fair horizon]

no grand sea fleet smh

[soft escarp]

The only time i ever use the navy is to invade stockholm and oslo

and help the naval invasion on england

[polar radish]

It’s light cruiser light attack spam

Then some w heavy attack

[soft escarp]

In wow its torpedo span

spam

[fair horizon]

no humiliating the british at what they're best at smh

[polar radish]

BB’s or SHBB’s

[soft escarp]

battleships meta

[polar radish]

W light cruiser spam

[fair horizon]

Carrier meta btw

[soft escarp]

no

[polar radish]

And roach destroyers

[polar radish]

Sometimes ya

[soft escarp]

Big gun go boom

[polar radish]

Just don’t go above 5

[soft escarp]

boring Carrier VS big ship with big boom boom

[dusty onyx]

.

[soft escarp]

big boom boom x 9

[fair horizon]

alright herb fair point

[soft escarp]

Exactly

rather have 10 yamatos than 10 carriers

carriers might be beter

but bbs are cooler

[vocal bolt]

we bring the boom

[fair horizon]

how many yamatos does it take to beat a carrier?

[vocal bolt]

depends on the carrier

[soft escarp]

well lets think,

[winged field]

Don't they like aggro whole UK fleet?

[vocal bolt]

and the planes the carrier carries

[winged field]

For sum reason

[soft escarp]

Scharnhorst sank a carrier with 9x 283 mm cannons

[fair horizon]

it barely pulled out a win with the Gambier Bay

[vocal bolt]

has to get close

[soft escarp]

Yamato could do some serious damage to a carrier with its 9x 460mm cannons

Yeah

[fair horizon]

thats a scharnhorst not a yamato

[soft escarp]

has to get close and get throught the escort

[vocal bolt]

I assume if they both know eachothers location carrier just demolishes yamato

[fair horizon]

The yamato was scared of a few destroyers btw

thats just how good american destroyers are

[soft escarp]

But if a carrier and yamato had a 1v1 within 15 kilometers

[vocal bolt]

if they dont know eachothers location the carrier can figure it out first and then demolisg yamato

[vocal bolt]

thats not happening

[soft escarp]

id say im pretty confident the yamato would win, Sure the yamatos were bad. But still

[vocal bolt]

thats like saying a plane loses to infantry if the plane decides to land infronf of the guy

how fast was the yamato

[fair horizon]

the yamato only sunk 2 or 3 ships btw

[soft escarp]

yup!

useless ship

Not sying the yamato is good

Or was usefull in the war

Im saying if a carrier and Yamato had a 1v1 at 15kilometers, Both saw each other at the same time, im pretty confident the yamato would sink the carrier

[fair horizon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_off_Samar

the only time the yamato was useful btw

[soft escarp]

Sure yamatos were useless, Yamatos first combat mission was the battle of mdiway

HQ ship for yamamoto 200 miles behind the battle

[fair horizon]

yeah but even when it was chasing taffy 3 which was a handfull of destroyers and casablanca escort carriers it didnt matter

[soft escarp]

its literal final mission was to beach the ship at okinawa and use the ship as artillery until destroyed, Musashi saw battle in during the battle of leyte gulf, and was ultimately sunk by superior american forces

It did absolutely nothing

Those ships shouldve been used in 1940 and 1941 when they were finished

not in 1944 and 1945 when the era of battleships was oevr

[fair horizon]

it uh really didnt though

[soft escarp]

Yamashiro and Fuso were picked off in the night by american bbs with radars

[soft escarp]

yup! that was its final mission, It never made it to okinawa

[fair horizon]

5 out of 6 were from pearl :)

[soft escarp]

Bismarcks mission was to sink merchant ships, It never sank a single merchan ships

[soft escarp]

Yup

Pearl harbor was the biggest mistake of the Japanese empire

Japan had the best carrier forces in the world before midway

[fair horizon]

never touch the sleeping giant's boats

[soft escarp]

They lost half their carrier fleet in that battle

[woeful knoll]

Was there any change japan could defeat usa?

[soft escarp]

ehh

[fair horizon]

no

[vocal bolt]

no

not in a million years

[soft escarp]

the americans pumped out 26 Essex carriers in a single eyar

[fair horizon]

japan couldnt afford to take losses and america could

[soft escarp]

by the 1920s

Every 100 ships america could build, Japan could only build 50 - 60

Thats where the idea for "super Battleships" came from

Aka the Yamato class

[vocal bolt]

japanese were only winning their wars bc they were fighting poor farmers

[soft escarp]

4 were supposed to be build, Musashi, Yamato, Shinano and Kii

[fair horizon]

we beat the world's strongest power when we were poor farmers btw

[soft escarp]

Only yamato and musashi and shinano saw battle, Kii was scrapped in 1942, Musashi never sank anything and sank in 1944, Yamato sank 3 american destroyers and sank in 1945, Shinano was converted into a carrier and sank in 1944 - 1945 by a single submarine

[soft escarp]

yup

[fair horizon]

did shinano ever see battle? i thought it was converted halfway through construction and sunk by the archerfish?

[soft escarp]

Same with italy, Italy wasnt ready for a war until 1942, But was ultimately dragged into the War by Adolf

[sly venture]

is 180 fps good for hoi4?

[soft escarp]

Im not sure, Since it was sunked by a submarine i thought it saw battle

[trim lotus]

It's an ancient game by now, and should be able to run on a potato.

[soft escarp]

yup

[trim lotus]

The Shinano saw valiant battle against the "best efforts" of its damage control crew.

[soft escarp]

IJN Shinano never saw combat and was sunk in November 29, 1944 during her maiden voyage from yokosuka to kure

PEarl harbor was japans biggest mistake

[fair horizon]

gross look at how big she is

[soft escarp]

Japan was extremely poor

[fair horizon]

not even elegant

[soft escarp]

275 meters long if im right

[green magnet]

is this for 1937 white terror path hungary?

[fair horizon]

shes in the top right of that picture

[soft escarp]

Tirpitz was more usefull than bismarck

[trim lotus]

Only 24 Essex-class carriers were ever built. You might be confusing this with something like "total carriers built", which would include light and escort carriers.

[soft escarp]

Even thought she only sailed from port to port

[fair horizon]

all of the german battleships were more useful than bismarck

[soft escarp]

Youre right

[soft escarp]

Yup

though germany only had 2

[fair horizon]

3

[soft escarp]

I dont know if we can consider Scharnhorst and gneisenau as battleships

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/prinz-eugen-gif-24906401

[fair horizon]

scharnhorst and gneisnau are battleships

[soft escarp]

Since both ships had the armor and guns of battleships, But were smaller and faster than bbs

[soft escarp]

Pocket battleships

technically

[fair horizon]

real battleships

[soft escarp]

Hybrids

[fair horizon]

no

[sharp sierra]

ships that battle

[fair horizon]

pocket battleships were the deutchland class ones

graff spee for instance

[soft escarp]

They were battleships by the kriegsmarine

battlecruisers by the british

[sharp sierra]

this is like music genre discussion

[soft escarp]

in their 283mm configuration they were battlecruisers

If they ever got the 380mm Upgrade they wouldve been full battleships

[fair horizon]

no they were just battleships

if anything they were fast battleships like the iowas

[soft escarp]

They were originally designed as battlecruisers and were called battlecruisers by the brits.

[fair horizon]

you wouldnt call the iowa a battlecruiser

[soft escarp]

no

[trim lotus]

Large warships, yes. Battleships, no: something designed with an 11" main battery wouldn't even remotely be a battleship by the time they were commissioned.

[soft escarp]

because it was designed as a battleship

[fair horizon]

battlecruiser is a dumb british designation

[soft escarp]

But they were designed as battlecruisers by germans?

[fair horizon]

the germans always favored smaller faster guns

[sharp sierra]

thats what my giorlfriend tells me to cheer me up

[soft escarp]

They were classified as battleships by the Americans in the 40s

and as battleships by the brits in the 50s

Bismarck dindt really do anything usefull

[fair horizon]

The idea of a battleship is that its lighter armored and uses smaller guns to its contemporaries but at the time in germany that was the "batleship caliber" they werent lightly armored they were just fast

[soft escarp]

Yup it sank a capital ship, but brits had 13 more and 4 on the ship yards

that was 6% of british capital fleet traded for 25% of the german fleet

[fair horizon]

if fast makes you a battlecruiser then almost any battleship produced in ww2 would be a battlecruiser

[trim lotus]

If you consider "battleship" to mean "ship capable of standing in the battle line against other contemporary battleships", something with 11" guns built in the interwar period is simply not a battleship, end of story.

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/supa-hot-fire-ooooh-rap-battle-jump-crowd-surf-gif-4557024

[fair horizon]

Tell that to the Glorious

[soft escarp]

And the 2 destroeyrs