hoi4-general

[kindred lotus]

but less org per tile

soviets sure can sustain it but i want to pump out like 500 of these divisions

[dusky burrow]

insert coordination problems

[kindred lotus]

nah

16w are good asf lmao

[dusky burrow]

probably make it 32 width since those still fit in marshes

[kindred lotus]

i always use them in MP

[kindred lotus]

only belarus has marshes

bro 16w is meta rn

[void cedar]

Sure if I havent found a game then yeah

[kindred lotus]

im rn busy i got plenty of school work

[void cedar]

Your good!

[kindred lotus]

thanks dude ❤️

@dusky burrowthe reason 16w is meta is cuz it fits the most on the tile

[dusky burrow]

you get 20% concentration from doctrines nowadays, 6% from radio research, and 6% from radar research, thus 32% coordination
Add that to the 35% base coordinated share, and you get at least 67% coordinated share

TD nations like Germany may also use armored signals, giving them 28% initiative, increasing coordinated share to 76%

[kindred lotus]

yea but it doesnt really matter from what ive tested

[dusky burrow]

so your single 16w is tanking 81% of a tank's soft attack

[kindred lotus]

okay listen

so soviet roach builds what they are for

is that the german tanks will have to push out every single inf

one very single tile

so think if u have like

15 divisions per tile

and u keep pulling more

eventually that'll exhaust the tanks

esp if u pierce them

which is very possible in the current meta

ur point is to drag german IC

if u have 10-20 divisions per tile they will be exhausted

and if they bring in even more tanks their supply will worsen

which leads to attrioting

which leads to even more tank losses

this is from an MP game

german tanks overextended

so i punished it

[dusky burrow]

are those heavy german tds?

[kindred lotus]

yes

mixed with MTDs

theyre meta

[dusky burrow]

how many htds and how many mtds

[kindred lotus]

60%/40%

MTD 60%

[dusky burrow]

because the meta is 10 mech 9 htd

[kindred lotus]

HTDs 40%

[kindred lotus]

nah not rlly

heavy tanks are nerfed

[dusky burrow]

nerfed?

[kindred lotus]

the terrain penalties are too much

lol

Medium tanks are way better

heavy tanks are terrible for stuff like barb and stuff

sure west europe is fine

but east europe

never will work

they take up too much supply + insane terrain penalties

which is why people nowadays go w medium tanks

and armour doesnt really matter in this patch

because u will always get pierced

[dusky burrow]

well your heavy td divisions have logistics companies anyways

armor might not matter that much, but what does matter is breakthrough, so your tanks have armor clicks

[kindred lotus]

they dont really do much

[kindred lotus]

breakthrough can be stacked w medium tanks aswell

like these tanks had 1.5k breakthrough

they are broken

and he had like

[dusky burrow]

This is the German meta heavy TD btw

[kindred lotus]

40 of these tank divisions on me

[kindred lotus]

ye this is to click enemy tanks

but barb inf

easily holds out aghainst this

like

this is really good for enemy tanks

but it isnt good for eastern front

eastern front u always want SPGs

[dusky burrow]

fair

spg build looks like this

[kindred lotus]

like the biggest mistake i see germany players do as a soviet player

is that they use TDs on my high org inf wall

sure u can take kiev minsk and maybe lithuania

[dusky burrow]

well it depends on whether you're doing your 32w infantry roach or tanks yourself

[kindred lotus]

im doing inf roach always cuz it takes less microing

and its easier

[kindred lotus]

W

[dusky burrow]

but note the almost 1300 soft attack

[kindred lotus]

this is really good

brother listen

stats dont matter on the eastern front

eastern front is just attrition game

[dusky burrow]

And almost 1000 of that soft attack will fall upon one 16w

[kindred lotus]

u can push the soviets as much as u want

but the doctrine is

they can stack inf per tile

which drags ur tanks org

[kindred lotus]

like this only has like

32 org

imagine u have to push out like

[dusky burrow]

I've seen Germany push the Allies out of France before in MP scenarios

[kindred lotus]

10-20 inf which reinforce fast asf

[dusky burrow]

and the Allies have 35w special forces divisions

[kindred lotus]

obviously thats france

[clear dagger]

tank template?

[kindred lotus]

france has less terrain penalties

[dusky burrow]

post d-day i mean

[kindred lotus]

listen

france and soviet

is completely different

france is all plains

and sometimes forest

soviets are marshes, winter , and plains and forests and everything

what matters and what soviet players take to their advantage is

the insane terrain and depth of the soviet union

like the logic is

[dusky burrow]

yeah true about france tbh, that said germans have air superiority on eastern front

so it sort of evens out

[kindred lotus]

air superiority doesnt matter

again terrain modifiers make it that cas are virtually useless

and keep in mind

one Support company of anti air

[dusky burrow]

I've been told multiple times that northern Soviets is unholdable btw

[kindred lotus]

reduces air damage by 75%

which is the max

[dusky burrow]

no longer

[kindred lotus]

i always get pushed in the baltics

[dusky burrow]

they've changed it

[kindred lotus]

fr?

[dusky burrow]

yeah you need 55 air attack now

[kindred lotus]

thats fine

u can just have like

stacked air attack inf on like every tile

and keep them in reserve

[clear dagger]

hey did they also change how static aa works?

[kindred lotus]

like there is an exploit

where u can just have anti air inf in reserve

and let ur normal inf attack

[dusky burrow]

i don't think so

[kindred lotus]

and that downs like

200 CAS per tick

[dusky burrow]

yeah that's fair

another thing that depends on rules though

[kindred lotus]

obviously

bro soviets is so cancer sometimes if u have incompetent allies

[dusky burrow]

for instance red baron, who i talk to the most about meta subjects like this, only allow max 4 per division

so that's not possible

and even 3 aa per division is sort of cancer

[clear dagger]

because i had my region maxed out on aa with radar and they shot down like 2 bombers every few days and i get bombed to bits

[kindred lotus]

like i managed to hold out the axis till like 1945 i lost eventually becdause the allies did no D DAY

AND NO STRAT BOMBING

NOTHING

NO LEND LEASE

[dusky burrow]

huh got to test that somehow

[kindred lotus]

all of the axis IC was on me

[dusky burrow]

oof

[kindred lotus]

😭

[clear dagger]

irl soviets be like

[kindred lotus]

the us was doing a troll build

like nuclear bombs

[dusky burrow]

and you did that with just infantry

[kindred lotus]

yes

[dusky burrow]

i have my suspicions

[kindred lotus]

i love my infantry

?

i can show u the game logs

if u want

the axis werent really competent either

like

[dusky burrow]

yeah that probably explains part of it

[kindred lotus]

there was no hungary player

no romania player

only italy and germany

it was a game w my friends

[dusky burrow]

but what i'm saying is that 32w is probably better than 16w in modern day hoi4

[kindred lotus]

ehhh

it depends tbh

like man

16w can fit everywhere

and it stacks

and the reinforce rate is higher

[dusky burrow]

axis does 32w too

[kindred lotus]

but u lose more equipment

[kindred lotus]

bro the german player in my MP game server always does shitty standard game inf

like he does the starting template

😭

so i just click his inf

all his IC goes on tanks

[dusky burrow]

i mean meta axis would do that

[kindred lotus]

we dont have a romania or hungary player

so

yea ig

[dusky burrow]

yeah that is usually pushed to romania-hungary

[kindred lotus]

but its understandable

axis minors need to spam out inf

while germany invests all their ic into tanks

[dusky burrow]

also about the france point, since we're talking about special forces with some mech, and you're using normal infantry on the eastern front, we're talking about infantry that is tougher to break through, and you're under red air.

by contrast, yeah, the eastern front has bad terrain

if i may suggest so myself, western front post-1941 is more difficult than eastern front post-1941 for the axis

[kindred lotus]

that is true

like allies have better

IC

eng and usa

so their divisions are better

soviet inf is just slop

lol

[dusky burrow]

yeah

soviets almost always lose by 1943

or france is fully liberated by then

the two fronts are just too asymmetric

[kindred lotus]

thats y i play hearts of oaks

its way better

than vanilla

[dusky burrow]

tbh i don't know hearts of oak that much

gameplay may be considerably different

[kindred lotus]

hearts of oaks

makes line artillery better and soviets way stronger

it is in the border between black ice and vanilla

[dusky burrow]

fair

if soviets are much stronger then yeah

that may be the difference between infantry roach being unworkable because of lack of air and competitive soviet air

[hollow drum]

all i do is clash clash clash no matter what

[kindred lotus]

ai templates be like:

[dusky burrow]

is left soviets?

[kindred lotus]

yes lmao

[dusky burrow]

rough

vanilla or hearts of oak

[kindred lotus]

vanilla

[dusky burrow]

oh wow

[clear dagger]

hearts of iron IV

more like

hearts of ai making bad templates IV

[dusky burrow]

hearts of mogging the ai iv

4700 fighters and 6000 cas is wild

[clear dagger]

soviet union's industry if stalin locked tf in

[dusky burrow]

but can they beat the entirety of the euroaxis

[kindred lotus]

bro i love air

so much

its my speciality

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1483042519188246650/1486641712372908032/mw2439v.png?ex=69c63e7c&is=69c4ecfc&hm=cd9e0e597eff1bb7efd28a982e8ea028c170a5357d059c36fea5192a34ec5029&

my tests about 30w inf

is this desireable?

[patent thistle]

thats unironically not as bad as the soviets tend to be in my games, i have seen the soviets once with over 20k fighters.

[dusky burrow]

you might not be stacking all the proper modifiers on tanks

[clear dagger]

really?

[patent thistle]

yep.

[clear dagger]

i had to fight a 100k soviets once

during the 60s

[dusky burrow]

also note how the soviet inf are getting 1000+ defense

[clear dagger]

and i had not 10k fighters

[dusky burrow]

yeah those 100k fighters aren't being used

[heavy vigil]

well yeah ai makes fighters and if you dont kill them, itll go up

until they run out of airfield space

because ai doesnt make those

[clear dagger]

they had like 20k fighers on tiles sometimes

[dusky burrow]

at that rate you may assume that you have zero air superiority and push with tanks

[clear dagger]

it took 4 years before i could even think about pushing

[heavy vigil]

why not just make AA or like your own air

[clear dagger]

i did

it took 4 years to deplete their air

[heavy vigil]

AA bricks meta

[clear dagger]

this was a while ago before gotterdammerung

i did a lux run (as usual)

and i had a lot of territory and puppets and the major powers in the end was me, ussr and china

they had vastly more manpower and units than i did

and outscaled my industry by a lot

with almost 2000 mils on soviets

[heavy vigil]

late game ai is scary until you see the air they make

the air they make is cooked

well, scary for vanilla ai terms

theyre still not great

[lilac ginkgo]

Its not scary at all

All you need is a good army and you can literally battleplan anything atleast in europe

[heavy vigil]

ik

[lilac ginkgo]

Unless you talk LATE lategame so 1950s+

[heavy vigil]

well yeah

lategame

[lilac ginkgo]

Until then you re fine

[heavy vigil]

they make some units that are kinda cool

[dusky burrow]

presumably we are talking about late game

[heavy vigil]

ai doesnt lock in until the 1960s

[void cedar]

Anyone wanna play a hoi4 campaign?

[heavy vigil]

and then they make moderately reasonable units

[lilac ginkgo]

Yes but i consider lategame to be 1947 or so at most cause by tjen the game is cooked

So late lategame is 1950s+ thats when its pure hell

[heavy vigil]

its only hell if youre at war with everyone, its pretty chill when youre not

[lilac ginkgo]

My pc can't make it past 1947 or so unless i want a year to take 7 hours

[finite plume]

Israel has a custom name for missiles 🙏

[lilac ginkgo]

It still lags

[clear dagger]

the war lasted 1964-68

[lilac ginkgo]

How does your pc make it to that year

[finite plume]

It's cause the AI has a lot of divisions, air wings, navy, etc

[dusky burrow]

yeah fair

[lilac ginkgo]

Yes i know

[finite plume]

Ironically the best way to fix lag is to go on a mass killing spree

[lilac ginkgo]

But it sucks

[clear dagger]

simple

kill 90% of existing nations

then pray the pc doesnt explode

[lilac ginkgo]

Mm well yeah

But it depends bro

I ain't taking over the world as uruguay or some shit by the time my game goes unplayable

[heavy vigil]

depends on how many nations are at war

[lilac ginkgo]

As Germany its quite possible

[lilac ginkgo]

Usually its the whole world

[finite plume]

🔥

[heavy vigil]

youve probably only played until then because theres a million nations at war

and youre locked in a long war

but like you can just not have that

[heavy vigil]

i hate surface to air missiles in this game

theyre so baddd

legit like the single worst thing to produce

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/100-yard-stare-1000-yard-stare-stare-staring-staring-meme-gif-18404030142962634873

[clear dagger]

yeah first time i tried making them i was so stoked about it

until i used them

[heavy vigil]

no air attack, no range

incredibly bad range

sorry

im dumb

i mean as in

you can only launch from rocket sites

so like 300 per state, and the range stat isnt just bad, you actively cant cover like, anything

no efficiency

[toxic cypress]

and

https://tenor.com/view/on-my-way-gerard-butler-captain-joe-glass-hunter-killer-im-coming-gif-18343913

if you forgot missile subs were added

[clear dagger]

"red october standing by"

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-familyguy-funny-gif-5079241

[quasi osprey]

What country path should I play next just played third Bulgarian empire

[void cedar]

Anyone wanna play hoi4? Id lovs to run up a campaign

[wheat drum]

does anyone have a good infantry template for pushing/defense? i can never make good templates lol. i also dont fully know how tanks work so i stay away from em

[late valley]

turkey ottoman empire

[quasi osprey]

I would but its focus tree is torture

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[late valley]

have u played

polish Lithuanian commonwealth

[quasi osprey]

Only greater lithuania

[late valley]

do that then

[rich holly]

how do I make division

[late valley]

u can restore the byzantine empire as greece too

[lilac ginkgo]

Yes but I usually kinda win by 1947 or so

I mean i take over europe because i only play europe and then thats it

Cause i cap Britain before the us joins so then its very easy to actually invade the us

[fierce grail]

I just collect flags dude its not that deep, its also just the naval ensign bud

[toxic cypress]

mossad agents dream bedroom

[void cedar]

Anyone wanna play hoi4 together?

[undone vale]

💀

governments try not to be utterly stupid challenge

[jovial bough]

canadians*

[undone vale]

german too

[fierce grail]

Exactly i have to adapt to my next deployment

[grave sonnet]

LMAOO 🤣

[fierce grail]

So i can blend in

[toxic cypress]

i would send the trailer but

its bannable here

[fierce grail]

Tfr as the subject is crazy and not tno

[undone vale]

what the actual hell are your flags 😭

[undone vale]

as my first order of businessi declare martial law 🗣️

[undone vale]

thats dumb as hell

[fierce grail]

They are sanctioned by the state of israel

[undone vale]

wait let me share my flags

[fierce grail]

(sends picture of a perfect condition 3rd Reich Flag)

[toxic cypress]

modern politics

[toxic cypress]

we have to take out their families

DEATH PENALTY

[fierce grail]

SODA

[undone vale]

my girlfriend made the Prussia one for my birthday

[toxic cypress]

we are gonna bomb the shit out of them

[undone vale]

ignore that they are unironed

[toxic cypress]

if a boomer found ur room

they would think your a nazi

[undone vale]

i can assure you i am not

i love germany

[fierce grail]

Lets make sure this guy dosent get into artschool mkay?

Or really fail artschool

[undone vale]

i used to draw a while ago

[toxic cypress]

imperial flag hre flag

[fierce grail]

If he gets in irs probavly fine

[toxic cypress]

all the signs of a german faboy

[undone vale]

now all i do is paint my gf

[undone vale]

i am german

what did you expect

i dont hate my country duh

[fierce grail]

Future hitler there

[undone vale]

😭

i want flag of austrian kingdom

the yellow/black one

its so pretty

[fierce grail]

U should know that thats the flag of Kashubia smh

[undone vale]

banned in germany

[undone vale]

kaschubien rahhh

[fierce grail]

U prob voted for the AdF

[undone vale]

what?

[toxic cypress]

you have a soviet n japanese flag so i wouldnt be suprised

[fierce grail]

Switch 2 letters

Boom

[toxic cypress]

i bet your bedsheet is the israeli flag

[fierce grail]

Yes

[undone vale]

what word is banned wtf

[fierce grail]

U*

[undone vale]

aint no way

why would ts be banned 😭

its a political party

[fierce grail]

Either that or u live in saxony

[undone vale]

i live near denmark border

booo

schleswig-holstein > rest of germany

[fierce grail]

Oh so ue just danish

Ur*

[undone vale]

i am ethnically danish yea

i did dna test

40% danish and 30% dutch

[fierce grail]

Yea fake german over here

[undone vale]

i am only like 8% german

[toxic cypress]

ewwww

ewww

[undone vale]

😭

[toxic cypress]

ewww

dane

[fierce grail]

Ur basically Frys

[toxic cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/getout-gif-16327023334064302194

[sudden thistle]

Holy Germany

[undone vale]

denmark is cool, whats with the hate

[undone vale]

i love germany

[fierce grail]

Potato language

[toxic cypress]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-oQw7S22js

[undone vale]

i also have a trans flag somewhere stowed away from a time in my life

i went trough it all gng

[undone vale]

snagger du dansk?

[toxic cypress]

i only have one flag in my home

[undone vale]

get a prussia flag

i am a true prussiaboo

[undone vale]

what is this

[toxic cypress]

u gave 3 small ones a medium and one big singapore flag

[sudden thistle]

You sure?

[toxic cypress]

redesign of singaporean flag

[undone vale]

just a little

[toxic cypress]

i have the actual one

a big one

[undone vale]

looks like starwars flag

[undone vale]

👎

[errant zephyr]

anyone wanto play?

[undone vale]

someone teach me imperator rome

i have 20 hours in it and no clue how to be goog

[toxic cypress]

your just a hater

[undone vale]

ndp 😭

used to be a german farright party

i think its been banned since 2011 or smth

[toxic cypress]

fun fac

the singaporean ruling party logo

is based of the british facist logo

[undone vale]

the lightning?

[toxic cypress]

yes

but ours is red

[undone vale]

;Sob

😭

[toxic cypress]

i want the metal pin ngl

old singaporean party badges

[undone vale]

guys rate the larp

[toxic cypress]

look good

[toxic cypress]

THE LARP WILL EVER END

[undone vale]

i want some pins as well

[undone vale]

larp larp larp sahur 🤫

[sudden thistle]

Lowkey just play it

[undone vale]

its so complex 😭

[toxic cypress]

cant tell me ts dont look good

[undone vale]

eu4 ahhhh

[undone vale]

it does look good but if you wore this in UK you would get arrested

[sudden thistle]

I have a few hours in it but it seems like every other total war game

[undone vale]

i never played total war games

[sudden thistle]

Just a different era/region

[undone vale]

i only play hoi4 and vicky

[toxic cypress]

we gotta start doing shit likes this again

[sudden thistle]

I confused it with another Rome game

[toxic cypress]

racist uk goverment arrest asian man for loving his asian country

[undone vale]

only singaporean nationalist in existence

[sudden thistle]

Woops

[undone vale]

total war rome?

[sudden thistle]

Yeah

[undone vale]

i see

[undone vale]

happens

[toxic cypress]

good game if only the devs did smt

[undone vale]

mine was last played 2025

[undone vale]

thats why invictus exists

there was a new huge update i think last monthg?

1.11

[toxic cypress]

last update was 2025 bro

[undone vale]

march actually

[toxic cypress]

💀 oh invictus

[undone vale]

you need invictus to play imperator come on

[toxic cypress]

i thought you meant the game

[toxic cypress]

its good

but

[undone vale]

base game is unplayable

[toxic cypress]

i rather just not play

[undone vale]

fair

why is the worksohp just AI slop wtf is this

[toxic cypress]

i am paradox top guy btw

i have 300 more hours of ck3 on xbox too

[grave sonnet]

They usually ban fun

[ember vine]

F you paradox for this

What is this

Why

Why can't I even skip this shit

[grave sonnet]

You need more manpower in za field

[ember vine]

No

[undone vale]

i am paradox top guy

[ember vine]

Its not the manpower

Idiot

[grave sonnet]

Negev 💔

[ember vine]

Why such conditions

[toxic cypress]

there is some leeway

[grave sonnet]

Holy Larpmaxxing

[undone vale]

negev >> you

[toxic cypress]

son 😭

[grave sonnet]

Probably true

[undone vale]

i am israeli and i love paradox

[undone vale]

the larp never ends

[grave sonnet]

Larp larp larp sahur

[undone vale]

i am top guy

[void cedar]

Anyone wanna play hoi4 now?

[undone vale]

BANNERLORD

HOOOOOOLY BASED

[toxic cypress]

i have 500h from the mod launcher btw

[undone vale]

why do you have so many frogs 😭

[ember vine]

Romanov Poland is the biggest piece of shit in this game and lazy ass paradox doesnt want to fix it

[toxic cypress]

the blse exteder era

[undone vale]

what mod launcher

[toxic cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-hat-gif-24889203

[toxic cypress]

blse

[toxic cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19495479

[undone vale]

dk what that is

[toxic cypress]

its the script extender

[undone vale]

i c

[toxic cypress]

i also do unpaid labour for paradox

[undone vale]

i dont think blse works on linux

[toxic cypress]

larp larp sahur

[grave sonnet]

I wanted to send smth but it's better to not ion wanna risk getting banned

[void cedar]

My friend ishi loves saying that

[toxic cypress]

larp larp ishi

yo buddy aint a truecel

[void cedar]

Honestly no clue what that is

[meager valley]

Right?

[void cedar]

Do you wanna play some hoi?

[meager valley]

Yes. But have to go to work soon 😂

[junior ether]

should i keep going

[grave sonnet]

Keep going

Don't stop

[deft mulch]

god damn

[vague abyss]

top guy

[heavy vigil]

it can be better than coring btw

[hollow drum]

all i do is clash clash clash no matter what

[crystal marsh]

Couldve answered 2 and a half months earlier yk

🥀

[junior ether]

lmao

[robust basalt]

guessing by SSRs name moving west they are getting railed by japan, you should totally double team them for fun

railed as in attacked

of course

[still ruin]

could someone explain "chance of executing X tactics" to me, are they like random, non player controlled actions my units take when certain criteria are fulfilled or?

ive had multiple traits like that for my commanders but i dont notice any change in the behavior

[molten portal]

guys how can my fleet reach that place

[limber jackal]

why is this chat so dead today

[iron iron]

Reminder that an AR-15 is cheaper then 2 sticks of ram in America

[limber jackal]

depends on what sticks 🤓

[trim pike]

How did u find that year old message

[iron iron]

silence

[limber jackal]

nein

i am pc enthusiast

[heavy vigil]

2 years old

[limber jackal]

i cannot be silenced

seriously tho

how does one actually get compliance

without wasting troops for garrisons

[mellow arrow]

Is Darkest Hour or HoI3 more fun for a HoI4 player?

[winter badge]

🔥

Wielka polska

[primal timber]

thanks sheep's mod devs

[prime marsh]

if we are gonna normalize the atomic bombings then the pearl harbor attack is normal as well

[primal timber]

im sure emiliano actually said that

whoops

[zinc briar]

"we are at war.. but are we?" ahhhhhh

[limber jackal]

no one normalized either?

both of them are awful

[winter badge]

You are fighting schizophrenia

[primal timber]

south africa isn't looking very south

[prime marsh]

look at the image he sent

[limber jackal]

what'd he send

[prime marsh]

.

lol

[limber jackal]

son 😭

[prime marsh]

isn't this

normalizing it

[limber jackal]

what did you send for this response

[prime marsh]

you think

[limber jackal]

what could you possibly have sent

[prime marsh]

well

[winter badge]

https://tenor.com/view/son-im-crine-son-im-crine-gif-5176045023480767429

[prime marsh]

he was talking abt

wait a min

i gotta

ss it

lol

someone sent imperial japan flsg before this I guess

[limber jackal]

both are iffy

[prime marsh]

triggered by a flag

btw

[rotund chasm]

i was saying proudly hanging the imperial japanese flag is the asian equivalent of hanging the nazi german flag

no just letting you know

[limber jackal]

both of you arent wrong

[zinc briar]

https://klipy.com/gifs/btweers-treyreloaded-15

[prime marsh]

this is also the navy flag for japan now btw

[limber jackal]

was it hung up because of that

or because of the empire

[prime marsh]

both

[limber jackal]

why glorify the empire

[rotund chasm]

yes because nazi japan is fantacized in the west

[limber jackal]

and why justify the atomic bombing

[zinc briar]

because kawaiii :3

[limber jackal]

yeah

[prime marsh]

btw imperial japan also used this flag at that time 🇯🇵

[limber jackal]

unit 731 is super kawaii

so are atomic bombs

[limber jackal]

when it was at peace it did

[prime marsh]

so japan are simply glorifying it's past

bro

[rotund chasm]

the imperial army used the rising sun flag

bro

[prime marsh]

no they were using it for a long time

both the rising sun

and thid

[limber jackal]

yeah cause they were at peace for a long time

[prime marsh]

this

[limber jackal]

1918 - 1937 is a long period

[rotund chasm]

yes when they were slicing pregnant women open in korea and china they stuck the rising sun flag in their corpse

dont pretend its not evil symbolism

[zinc briar]

i wanna leave the faction but i cant because im fighting schizophrenia

[limber jackal]

we really cant be justifying the japanese empire rvo

vro

arguably worse than the nazis

[prime marsh]

no one is justifying

I am trying to justify the flag

not the empire

[rotund chasm]

you think germany would be allowed to use the nazi flag for their navy?

[prime marsh]

what kind of argument is this

[rotund chasm]

arguing equivalency

[prime marsh]

they are not using nazi flag for navy but

japan uses

the rising sun

[rotund chasm]

you dont hold japan to the same standard as germany

[prime marsh]

still

[rotund chasm]

yes exactly

[prime marsh]

that proves nothing

[rotund chasm]

it proves the west doesnt take what japan did seriously

you are proof

weeb

[limber jackal]

i find it quite interesting how japan so narrowly escaped its war crimes

[prime marsh]

so why u taking it seriously

[limber jackal]

and just doesnt mention them

[prime marsh]

even the west

didn't

[rotund chasm]

wdym why do i take it seriuosly lmao

ok youre rage baiting

[zinc briar]

because japan is so kawaii

[rotund chasm]

wp

[prime marsh]

🥰

[limber jackal]

japan is all anime and giggles right guys

[zinc briar]

yeah bro

[limber jackal]

ganbare ganbare

[prime marsh]

yes

[ripe slate]

Nah

[limber jackal]

type shit

[zinc briar]

konichiwa amirite

[limber jackal]

am i rite or am i rite

[ripe slate]

Surely Japan is the most overrated country in the world, not saying its bad or anything but the hype is massive

[limber jackal]

japan totally didnt have war crimes arguably worse than those of the nazis

[limber jackal]

chinese propaganda

[prime marsh]

there is no good country in the world

if u think like that

[ripe slate]

Yeh

[limber jackal]

switzerland

[ripe slate]

It just has the most hype I feel like so itd be very hard to live up to it

[zinc briar]

https://klipy.com/gifs/albania-flag-2

[limber jackal]

is lwk the best candidate for best countury

[prime marsh]

maybe

[prime marsh]

sorry I forgot about

albania

Albania*

🙏

[ripe slate]

Fins are the happiest so even if I wouldnt want to move there (because I like where I am) I would give them the points

[limber jackal]

albania

wow

[ripe slate]

Anyway, we should be getting back to HOI IV topic

[limber jackal]

you lwk give me dutch vibes

am i right in assuming this

[ripe slate]

Yes

[limber jackal]

oh W

i didnt think id actually guess that lol

[prime marsh]

If I was living in finland I'd go to another country in first opportunity

[zinc briar]

i think you just looked at his bio

[ripe slate]

Or read my name

[limber jackal]

no

thats propaganda

all of it

false lies

and accusations

[zinc briar]

yea i was gonna say that too

[limber jackal]

how dare you accuse me of such bad things man

[prime marsh]

who wants to be neighbour of russia

[limber jackal]

why would I lie

:(

[limber jackal]

i mean im not even scared of russia

nato is way stronger

[prime marsh]

nato is all abt usa

nothing more

[limber jackal]

son im crine

get out of nato then

[prime marsh]

japan is not in

nato

[limber jackal]

wait what

i always thought it was

weird

[prime marsh]

also I am not japanese lol

that dude

fell for the

holy ragebait

anyways

[rotund chasm]

yeah i did

[prime marsh]

srry

😭

but it was funny

[primal timber]

just incase

[ember vine]

🤸‍♂️
🦽🏌️‍♂️

[finite plume]

You should build supply hubs instead

So at least you'll be well fed when the Germans occupy you 🗿

[soft escarp]

Germany

still going

Totaler krieg

68,04 Million people dead

[fresh thorn]

...

[sinful cloud]

need an idea for a playthrough, havent played in a while

[soft escarp]

Finland

[sinful cloud]

something moderately chill, not sweaty

[soft escarp]

or napoleon

[finite plume]

Gotta love HOI4 where the side with much more casualties also has way more fielded manpower still

[soft escarp]

BTW

[sinful cloud]

on historical or

[soft escarp]

"you are not the war leader for the losing side"

[late valley]

finland is gonna win

[finite plume]

🥀

[soft escarp]

hell yeah

ive lost 2k men

[fresh thorn]

nah, play equatorial guniea, veteran

[soft escarp]

soviets have lost 2 million trying to cross my lines

[finite plume]

Are you the Axis

If so god help you

[soft escarp]

Im the leader of the axis rn

1946

[late valley]

just wait till winter comes

[soft escarp]

Ive killed 4 million russians

[finite plume]

One naval invasion and it's so over

[soft escarp]

Ive got a million men defending the liens

i gave up all my land when my first line failed

[finite plume]

What about the coastlines

[soft escarp]

First line was this

Ive got troops on my coastline

And i have 5 subs

and btw i never researched tanks or planes until 1945

this run was supposed to be just free lancing off of germany

to get my achiement

Sweden joined Japan btw

my industry is cooked

I lost nearly all of my civs and mils in estonia

Im gonna lose the war due to Soviet bombing but atleast ive killed millions of them

[light goblet]

AMAZING

[soft escarp]

NOO

im losing my first tile

[primal timber]

just looks like early game france to me

[light goblet]

😎 i have never played france

maybe thrice but that was when i started

[soft escarp]

It is over

Red army has breached the Mannerheim linne at Kuopio

[primal timber]

i've played france maybe 4 times their starting situation is a dumpster fire

[primal timber]

zero stability zero PP infinite consumer goods and a giant unruly neighbor

[light goblet]

its ok i have hope in the napoleonic path 🥺

[soft escarp]

Does the USSR surrender if i atom bomb moscow?

[primal timber]

good luck have fun

[soft escarp]

Can i assasinate stalin?

[primal timber]

nobody surrenders if you nuke them

i think only japan does under very specific conditions

[soft escarp]

So this isnt wolfenstein

[light goblet]

japan does because its historical idk

[primal timber]

i think most of their navy has to be sunk first

[soft escarp]

In endsieg i nuked britain 14 times

[finite plume]

There's a mod to do so I think

[soft escarp]

Mannerheim line has been breached

[finite plume]

Might be misremembering tho

[primal timber]

ryckmans can you stop asking me for mil acc

[soft escarp]

Tbh i understand why noone surrenders due to a nuke

they are trying to naval invade

[finite plume]

No one left to surrender

[soft escarp]

with horse divs

[finite plume]

🗿

[primal timber]

just realized its 1938

[soft escarp]

This is the front

I wouldnt surrender if i got nuked lmao

[primal timber]

i need to get the little entente out quick

[primal timber]

mr. hitler please do not meddle in my affairs

[primal timber]

(my army sucks)

[soft escarp]

yeah hes dead

[light goblet]

🧐

wow germany decided not to remilitarize the rhine

pierre laval has saved the day

[soft escarp]

Who??

ahh the french leader

[primal timber]

the classic trick of shaking your fist very hard at your foe

[primal timber]

they already did anschluss they can't be far from the sudeten

[light goblet]

🧐

[primal timber]

into the fire

no salazar im not giving you access

[soft escarp]

Why arent you doing napoleon

Does france have something else?

thats fun?

IM cheesing it so hard

[primal timber]

i have already done a napoleon path like twice

[soft escarp]

alr

play finland

[primal timber]

here's a big map i ahve to prove it

[light goblet]

is political violence the spirit that makes you do the civil wars 👀

[primal timber]

if you ask me about manchuria or italy or africa i am not answering that

[soft escarp]

what is this

[light goblet]

what about romania

[primal timber]

fairly certain they're also at war with italy

[light goblet]

south america found to be doing nothing yet again

🧐

i think for the entire game all they have is

the peru and ecuador war

which ends in like

3 seconds

[primal timber]

i took this like '46 btw

[soft escarp]

I cant believe

Paradox should remove planes

Im gonna lose this war due to bombings

[light goblet]

🧐

yeah lets remove one of the most important mechanics

[soft escarp]

Yup

[light goblet]

emperor puyi mor elike emperor

poop yi

[soft escarp]

make an infrantry only game mode

[light goblet]

haha

[soft escarp]

Like war thunder, They should make a Ground only gamemode

[light goblet]

nationalist china exists

🧐

[soft escarp]

are the soviets really this stupid?

they cant breach me and yet they try to breach me

Well hitler is dead

What is this

[light goblet]

wow

what the hell is manchukuo called

[soft escarp]

Dont worry

The Vantaan Ydinlaitos will produce a nuclear bomb soon enough

[primal timber]

i actually have another map from '48 where it apparently never ended

[soft escarp]

Why does the german AI always faill at 1944/1943

[light goblet]

why is austria still

anschlussed

[primal timber]

that didn't come out of yalta for whatever reason

[soft escarp]

Stupid AI

[light goblet]

what is

china doing

[primal timber]

i remember that

everybody who wasn't mao claimed they were the real china

[soft escarp]

The soviets really want me dead

[light goblet]

amazing

[primal timber]

and then i moved mao to manchuria

[soft escarp]

What nation should i play next

in Iron man

I want to start playing Iron man this is so fun

[light goblet]

chinese soviet republic

[soft escarp]

🖕

a European nation

[light goblet]

🧐

[soft escarp]

IM never touching anything in asia

[light goblet]

albania

[soft escarp]

Dude

Stop

no balkans

no albania

[light goblet]

then hungary idk

[last latch]

Highly underrated start

[soft escarp]

That could work

[last latch]

Europe ain't all that anymore

[soft escarp]

last time i had half the world in m faction

[light goblet]

🧐 austria hungary our goat

[last latch]

Said as a USSR main

[soft escarp]

germany dog walked me though

I could play sweden or finland again

is sweden good?

[last latch]

Very strong focus tree

[soft escarp]

Yup

well im playing that then

[last latch]

Lacks manpower but formable should ease that

[soft escarp]

ive played sweden a few times hwen the DLC came out

[light goblet]

you can core all of the nordics

[soft escarp]

Yup

i know

you can do that with finland also

I couldve done it

but i went the wrong way when becoming fascist, THe slower way without a civil war

[primal timber]

i saw the

nordic pact path for sweden

thought it looked interesting

[soft escarp]

paradox should make it a game feature

[primal timber]

maybe will take a shot at it next time

[soft escarp]

If you for example Nuke moscow

Stalin could die

If you conquer Berlin hitler dies

[fathom shard]

who told you stalin was in moscow

[soft escarp]

and not that he escapes to spain

[fathom shard]

he could be chilling the far east

[primal timber]

make it a dice roll

[soft escarp]

maybe the in game News paper

[primal timber]

higher chances if its a rocket

[soft escarp]

"Stalin escaped the nuclear blast on moscow by a few minutes"

[light goblet]

make it so hitler tag switches to argentina when berlin falls 👀🔥

[soft escarp]

yup

[primal timber]

senor hilter

[soft escarp]

something like that

and not that he escapes to spain and continues to fight

Soviets really just throwing men

[light goblet]

yeah thats all they do 🧐

have like

4 billion manpower

[soft escarp]

ive killed 5 mill

[fathom shard]

tag arg
set_ruling_party fascism

[soft escarp]

Game says that im still wining the war

[soft escarp]

Hitler isnt the leader

[fathom shard]

you're right it's Señor Hitler

[soft escarp]

No

[fathom shard]

Señor Hilter

[soft escarp]

No

dud

its not Hitler

its a random argentinian man

you cant just "set ruling party" and have him

doesnt work like that

[fathom shard]

dude

it's a joke

[soft escarp]

dude no

[light goblet]

ahistorical is strange the germans joined the 4th international ⁉️

[soft escarp]

whats that

[light goblet]

i can never get over it

[soft escarp]

My entire industry is bombed

[fathom shard]

i hate it when usa just creates a faction and invites the whole americas in ahistorical

[light goblet]

isnt that just

the monroe doctrine

[soft escarp]

Why cant i just surrender?

[fathom shard]

no

[soft escarp]

to lets say to the US

[light goblet]

oh wait the monroe doctrine is for

[soft escarp]

and negotiate a peace deal

[cold ingot]

oh yeah i had that once in an mp and i was wondering why im not producing anything

[soft escarp]

no no

im still producing

[fathom shard]

monroe doctrine isnt a faction its a system

[soft escarp]

But like

everything in my country is being bombed except the mils

I just dont have resources to make anything rn

[fathom shard]

if you declare on an american country usa gives u the choice to either sign a white peace or they declare

[cold ingot]

well for me EVERYTHING was bombed like even friggin supply hubs infrastructure and yeah everything basically

[light goblet]

2 guys with maybe half a gun

[soft escarp]

btw

786k dead

850k in the field

[light goblet]

is this scraping the barrel

[soft escarp]

finland had 2 million People in 1940s

[soft escarp]

Just switched to it

[fathom shard]

economy of doom and despair

[light goblet]

🧐