hoi4-general

[dusky burrow]

it's basically a short-term manpower saving issue

[dusky burrow]

anyways have fun sleeping

[heavy vigil]

noo im like waking up its just so early

[grave sonnet]

W for playing Spain ☝🏼

[void cedar]

Hey! Anyone wanna play end of a new beginning?

[dusky burrow]

look at the date

they're using console

[grave sonnet]

NOOOO

[sly sluice]

this is nuts

i know militia has a way for you to gain tons of quaptured equipment

captured*

but idk how to get this

[dusky burrow]

mastery farming

[sly sluice]

i mean yeah

but i can't find the doctrine

or is it something else idk

[dusky burrow]

huh what does the infantry doctrine screen look like

[dusky burrow]

it's a dlc feature then

probably no compromise no surrender

[sly sluice]

man

bruh

this is annoying

well

im still holding on as aussa

which is fun

but damn

worst part is thats not even per division

its per battalion

[dusky burrow]

yeah

[sly sluice]

its like 2% per battailion

[dusky burrow]

it looks like this

btw the HP doesn't work

[heavy vigil]

yes

[dusky burrow]

15% hp is 0.15 hp here not 25 * 0.15 = 3.75 hp

assuming you're using militia here of course

[cedar kite]

Kinda wish that the militia and irregular masteries unlocked those units for the countries that can't get them

[void cedar]

Anyone wanna play?

[dusky burrow]

true

[gleaming lily]

JUSTICE FOR SUBMARINES

[dusky burrow]

yeah submarines are in a really bad state rn

followed by everything that isn't a destroyer, a carrier, or a super-heavy battleship

followed by carriers and super-heavy battleships

[gleaming lily]

I mean, naval balance is kind of all over the place, but Paradox have destroyed submarines totally

there is literally no reason to build them ever

[strong belfry]

@lost tundra hi

[gleaming lily]

The instant they run into any ship with depth charges, they just evaporate

[strong belfry]

@fleet zenith wsp

[gleaming lily]

and as soon as people noticed and the devs said "yes, that's not working as intended" they should have pushed a hotfix to roll back that one change, at least until they can figure out how to fix the bug they were fixing with passive detection without rendering an entire class of ship worthless

[dusky burrow]

true

[gleaming lily]

as far as submarines are concerned, every fleet with more than one ship with depth charges is now a deathstack they can't escape from

because as soon as one submarine gets revealed, it gets dogpiled by the entire enemy fleet

and perversely, this hurts low visibility subs more, because high visibility subs are more likely to be revealed several at a time, spreading out the potential damage

but low visibility subs are more likely to be revealed one at a time

copping the entire deathstack's worth of damage

and since subs have always been made of papier-mache, oops

[lost tundra]

Yo

[buoyant portal]

do they not work well as convoy raiders?

[wind pendant]

http://youtube.com/post/UgkxwtjZUCQklx_6oAyaOYB12trw2wdiSACV?si=R1EbTNv09_YipOI5

[finite plume]

I swear Drama just can't go 5 seconds without happening anymore

[clear dagger]

i was wondering why my subs kept getting sunk

[gleaming lily]

They are supposed to, but in the most recent patch Paradox broke them by "fixing" passive detection and now they get rapidly stackwiped against even the most modest destroyer patrols

in a hands-off game, most major powers are all but wiped on submarine fleets within 2 months of naval warfare

[buoyant flume]

Hi

[void cedar]

Anyone wanna play?

[vague abyss]

what country should i play today in sheeps

i need to fuel my addiction

[vague abyss]

What country should I play feedback

[wind pendant]

Switzerland do a no war run

[dusky burrow]

what if you did sweden

[vague abyss]

aw man thats a whole youtube video idea 💔

pass me another

[heavy vigil]

afghanistan, take over the world

[vague abyss]

It HAS to be from feedback so then I can record it

how do you even do a switzerland no war run

[heavy vigil]

oh hi feedback, hru?

[vague abyss]

let alone in sheeps

[dusky burrow]

is that actual feedbackgaming?

[vague abyss]

yeah?

hes one of my friends

[dusky burrow]

huh

[vague abyss]

yes its the real one

not sure why the unc is up at the big 9am probably work 💔

[heavy vigil]

youtubers are real people

[dusky burrow]

challenge: win in sheep's mod while using line artillery and motorized recon /s

[vague abyss]

i use line arty

anyways so switzerland world conquest?

[dusky burrow]

true, but i didn't suspect feedbackgaming to look like this

[vague abyss]

meh

what should i do for switzerland then

[heavy vigil]

idk its a bad nation

[proud acorn]

türk hoi4 toplulugu varmı

[vague abyss]

should i actually record a video 💔

i don't even do yt no more

i also hope we got some form of cabinet/advisor rework

[heavy vigil]

you have a channel?

[vague abyss]

not one I even use anymore

switzerland is sending vols to spain (me)

[opaque zinc]

[wooden agate]

Its his AI generated profile

[wooden agate]

Probably to send legal notices to a bunch of people threatening them with PDX action like he did to all of us

[vague abyss]

What are you talking about?

[wooden agate]

You haven't seen what he sent to Hansen?

the AI generated legal notices

[vague abyss]

No??

update me with the lore

[wooden agate]

You should, watch Hansens video

[wooden agate]

FBG is accused of viewbotting, he sent legal notices to Hansen for defamation

[vague abyss]

What did feedback gaming do bro

[wooden agate]

He then doxxed hansen

[vague abyss]

Who’s Hansen

[wooden agate]

by cyberstalking him

[wooden agate]

Another HOI4 youtuber

[vague abyss]

Tff

[wooden agate]

He then sent a bunch of DM's demanding me and a bunch of other HOI4 youtubers take down any posts or comments on the situation

where he said that PDX would threaten our relationships, and that legal action was possible

to many of us, including me myself

ISP, had to go clarify with PDX, that this isn't the case, and we are free to say what we want

[vague abyss]

crazy

feedback is chill

[wooden agate]

Your opinion

most people dislike him now

me personally I hate him

[vague abyss]

because he defended himself from being accused of viewbotting

[wooden agate]

No because he doxxed someone, cyberstalked them, threatened legal and paradox repurcussions to content creators just for commenting, so on and so on

He even threatened ISP

http://youtube.com/post/UgkxjeUCp3lC_PIDHN_qlCX330NM8MEZkAVr?si=xq2furlnt-S9VcJd

[vague abyss]

what my man isp do

[wooden agate]

He put one comment

one

[vague abyss]

well I guess the new cosmetic DLC didn't fit up to par

so I guess drama will kill time as we wait for TaOG

[wooden agate]

I think your finding out about the drama towards its end, it appears that Hansen reported the stalking to the police

[vague abyss]

As someone who has actually graduated from law what on earth are these legal letters

I can easily tell its AI generated from the get go.

[wide osprey]

👋

[wooden agate]

I've dmmed you where the stuff was

[vague abyss]

ye

[echo basin]

PLSS PARADOX PLSS MY PHONE CAN HANDLE HOI4 HELL I THINK ALL PHONES CAN HANDLE IT NOW JUST BRING IT ON MOBILE FOR GODS SHAKES

[vague abyss]

i think steam wins either way

steam: does nothing

wins

[wooden agate]

Steam is the best company

[vague abyss]

say that to the 30% tax

I really hope in the future for indie devs they lower this to like 15-20%

[round raven]

How do countries get supply after you nuke their capital state? bcz all the naval bases and rails are completely damaged from the capital itself

[hollow silo]

omfg

[vague abyss]

mmmmmmmm

[icy egret]

There’s local supplies, and also you can repair nuked railroads and supply hubs pretty easily. Month to repair at most.

[echo basin]

Is there a 1942 start date

Or a 1941

[round raven]

Nuking literally adds a modifier where you can't repair for 365 days
also, you have to have a supply connection from the capital for local hubs to work

[icy egret]

oh I didn’t know

must have been playing too much modded

my bad

[icy egret]

Nvm I’m actually right

It’s slow but not zero, just reduced.

[wooden agate]

u

[flint widget]

I think you need capital supply for fuel

[vague abyss]

Honestly I think supply hubs should have for a limited time local supplies where when you're encircled you still have a bit of supply for a while

maybe even further where factories in them encirclements can have those equipments go into the troops in encirclements tbh

[inland falcon]

That's a lot of focuses I won't be doing because I'll do the ottomans again

[sudden grotto]

U can with Cloud gaming

[inland falcon]

Worst UI of all time

Can't wait to get my entire tank corps surrounded because I tapped the wrong tile

[chrome mulch]

Evil

Cloud gaming is evil 😔

[slow vortex]

the only dlc left no compromise no surrender do I buy it or wait for sale

[heavy vigil]

@wooden agate you should try keeping the drama in dms/off server, its not the right place for it really, especially as it involves legal actions.

[meager valley]

Wasn’t it about the game?

Tbh I’d rather know who paradox has representing their games.

[heavy vigil]

its about youtuber drama.

[weak magnet]

greenland world conquest

[meager valley]

Yes a YouTuber who has sponsored HOI4 on behalf of Paradox.

[heavy vigil]

okay, and discussing it is not for general chat here

[weak magnet]

casey dont bother me

[meager valley]

I’m glad they talked about it tbh. Think the community should know. Community ambassadors aren’t infallible or immune to criticism.

[heavy vigil]

no its fine to talk about it, this just isnt the place to discuss it so ill have to ask you to keep it from gen chat is all, im not anti discussion

[weak magnet]

finally

my world conquest might work

after realizing doing germany historically doesnt work

i forgot they lost irl

[meager valley]

Where would people talk about it? This is one of the main locations. Removing the ability to discuss as a community may only isolate the community further

Just gives the impression that his actions are okay.

[weak magnet]

why wont you guys klet me post my happiness

I am also really upset casey did not tell me good job

[heavy vigil]

off topic maybe but also just dms, other servers, im just following general rules of conduct regardless of which side i take on this issue

[meager valley]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-pat-gif-24957682

[weak magnet]

so i invaded canada

now i am curious

[heavy vigil]

youre doing well : )

[weak magnet]

should i build up supply hubs

once i invade the quebec area

thank u

I actually took out the USSR by 1940 may!!

[heavy vigil]

unless you want to attrition you should make supply

[weak magnet]

true t rue

im playing it on the mode under elite

i cannot play elite for the life of me, too difficult

[heavy vigil]

elite is only elite if you play ethiopia or afghanistan

[weak magnet]

oh

[heavy vigil]

otherwise its moderately annoying

[weak magnet]

exactly

[heavy vigil]

cuz its production and research debuffs

[weak magnet]

yeah literally

i think its more of a slowdown than anything

what i noticed is that, i dont need to do things exactly how one might think they should be done

[heavy vigil]

ethiopia would start with -70% research speed and afghanistan with negative production cap

so it actually cripples you

[weak magnet]

i also tinkered with the divisions a bit

[weak magnet]

holy shit

na thats just unfair

i also only have infantry divisions

and it isnt a good template

No idea what im doing different, but its working

[weary lagoon]

what are your current doctrines?

[heavy vigil]

i see the vision

[weak magnet]

these are these

wait

[weary lagoon]

oh ok nice

[weak magnet]

I FORGOT TO CHANGE THE MAIN ONE

wait what happens if i do that

do i keep the mastery in the others?

[weary lagoon]

everything gets removed :3

[meager valley]

Nope

[sudden thistle]

No

[weak magnet]

welp

[meager valley]

It’s wiped clean

[weak magnet]

its ok then ill keep it as that

but then that means if i had gone for the superior firepower one it'd been even better

[meager valley]

Tbh all the grand doctrines are pretty good

[weak magnet]

yeah for sure

also noticed that

the UK is somehow much more apt at defending itself

I have never seen it put up such a fight, even on veteran difficulty

I think they tried to re-naval invade me like three times

[meager valley]

Think in GDR they made it defend better

[meager valley]

In my games they try like every ingame week or more

[sudden thistle]

Difficulties don’t really make the ai better

[weak magnet]

i am aware of this

[weak magnet]

exactly

what i fear now is japan

i am yet to beat japan they are my next obstacle

[meager valley]

The naval invasion noise every 20 seconds just becomes white noise

[weak magnet]

oh yeah they wont do anything about it now

i have russia as a puppet

i get 40 divisions every blink xD

[meager valley]

Wait which country are you?

[weak magnet]

germany

[meager valley]

Oh did you do economy of conquest?

[weak magnet]

yep

the 4 year plan was another reason i was failing too

i was simply not fast enough

tjhat is a me issue tho

[meager valley]

It’s definitely harder to start later

[weak magnet]

yeah am aware of this

also i think this game is mostly diffiuclt because its quick to overwhelm you

so i would forget about little things

[meager valley]

Like what?

[weak magnet]

this time i rushed spies and started making collab government immediately

[wise bridge]

How is this only 31 combat width

[weak magnet]

what to research exactly, or how to do specific focuses first then research

[meager valley]

I used to do collabs but never do anymore

[weak magnet]

I am like 100% sure

that it was 36 at one point

I have no idea why its 31.2

I specifically made it 36 idk why it became 31.2

[weak magnet]

i dont think its necessary

[wise bridge]

Why would you specifically make a 36 width inf

Just make tanks atp

[weak magnet]

for attack

no i dont want tanks

that division there is powerful

for me , atleast

[hollow silo]

whats ur subdoctrine

[weak magnet]

also noticed that stormtrooper battalion holy shit makes it powerful

[wise bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/ahem-shit-loser-seriously-gif-5731140

[weak magnet]

these ones here

[meager valley]

Ngl I hate using 36 W in singleplayer over 20-25

Too trash with supply and cost

[weak magnet]

why

oh yeah maybe

i guess im germany tho

so i can do anything i want

xD

[meager valley]

IMO supply is more important in SP than an ideal division

[weak magnet]

dude i also swear there was a world conquest achievement

i cant find it

[weak magnet]

100%, but this is more about being slow and steady than anything

this is exactly why i did collab government in russia

[meager valley]

I do 20-21 combat width inf and 25 combat width mountaineers.

[hollow silo]

theres brazil and uk one

[limber jackal]

bro when i was playing tfr my friend challenged me to take taiwan as china to prove im better than him because out of his 6 times he could never take it and instead of just not taking it on purpose for more fun trees and so when I was taking taiwan, this coconut head kept screaming "the pope, how many divisions does he have?" because for some reason it's an inside joke and on god i could NOT lock in so I barely won and bro it's actually so annoying hearing the same sentence screamt every second while ur locking in

[weak magnet]

i would like to try the mountaineers one

[limber jackal]

😭

i hope the pope dies

[meager valley]

He’s your friend, just tell him to shut up 😂

[weak magnet]

i wanted to try rangers too

[limber jackal]

i did like 25 times

[weak magnet]

but i think thats a newer dlc i dont have

[limber jackal]

its not easy to stop him when he wants to ragebait me

[wise bridge]

150 art per division 😭😭😭

https://tenor.com/view/table-mess-lmao-laugh-gif-5126644939264248578

[weak magnet]

Bro what are you doing

[limber jackal]

honestly bro oml

[weak magnet]

Are you trying to make me feel bad about my template or something

[limber jackal]

i was gonna crash out

[meager valley]

I’d have 1-2 arty per division. 6 is a lot

[limber jackal]

never make templates again

[meager valley]

Nah, it just isn’t very cost effective

[elfin rock]

It isn't a template if it isn't 50 width

[limber jackal]

worse than the starting germany tank template on god

[weak magnet]

Ngl

If it worked

It worked

[elfin rock]

Works as cannon fodder

[wise bridge]

Buddy gonna have one full army by the time Barbarossa comes around

[weak magnet]

??

I had 1mil man power by 1939

As in

Wait i said that wrong

I had a full 5/5 24/24 army by 1939 and took out the USSR by may 1940

no clue what ur talking about its not rly expensive

[elfin rock]

How many mils by 1939 did u have

I'm guessing around 215?

[wise bridge]

61 hard attack

Useless by 1941

[elfin rock]

nuh uh

[weak magnet]

no idea, i think so

well i dont think so

i have no idea

but if thats typical yes around that much

[meager valley]

Depends who you’ve conquered

[weak magnet]

Idk, i tried fully going for the MIOs and everything i can do for artillery production boost

[sudden thistle]

215 is a bit ambitious

[weak magnet]

I started the barbarossa in 1939 with not full strength on my armies though

i still had around 3-4k artillery deficit i remember that

[meager valley]

Yeah because they’re expensive 😂

If they weren’t they’d be full strength

[weak magnet]

yea i mean that makes sense i get that

bro but i dont get it

i dont think what i did was bad if by 1940 i capitulated the ussr

[meager valley]

Your div isn’t bad and can be used. But in HOI4 combat effectiveness isn’t always the best thing. Need to be able to replace the divisions and supply them too

[elfin rock]

That's usually my quota by 1939 lmfao

[weak magnet]

can u assist me pls

[weak magnet]

isn't that the strategy as to what i did though

[meager valley]

Wasn’t bad but could’ve gone south quick

[weak magnet]

did i not make it clear that i would rush down the USSR to use their factories?

then i would have no deficit

[elfin rock]

Did the ussr even have that much mils by 1939 anyway

[weak magnet]

no

well actually yes

idk but definitely used them

the damn stormtrooper battalion tho

idk if that made a big difference but it felt like it did

godbless

[meager valley]

Wish they had a unit sprite for the stormtroopers

[elfin rock]

and it's just be actual stormtroopers from star wars lmfao

[meager valley]

Nah would have like armor or gas masks

[last latch]

Has the submarine nerf been fixed?

Was planning on playing again in a couple days when I get home but if subs are borderline useless I'm just gonna wait for them to fix that

[weak magnet]

also seeing rocket artillery

[meager valley]

Submarine cruiser with the gun goes hard

[weak magnet]

maybe its a better alternative to the line artillery but i dont think so

im also doubting ur criticisims considering i was told its fairly viable

and everyone here has bipolar disorder it seems

[sudden grotto]

Cloud gaming Is the holy grail for Who has a shitty pc

Before getting a good pc i used GeForce now for 4 years or so

[chrome mulch]

Monthly subscription 🙏😞

[lime mist]

Guys is austria meant to be super easy to capture as germany?

[meager valley]

Rather have a shitty PC and low impact games than rent a PC ngl

Plenty of good games out there with minimal requirements

[weak magnet]

ive done it

[meager valley]

Did you invade from Canada or South America

[hollow drum]

all i do is clash clash clash no matter what

[lime mist]

Does anyone know how to lower world tension so that the uk stops spamming the independence

[safe wing]

If I had a dollar for everytime you said this I would probably have 100 dollars at this point

[elfin rock]

Stop killing everyone and just let time pass lmao

[mellow parrot]

Solid 1939 game so far

I mean I started in 1936 but China by this time and having the coast secure is peak.

Cause I usually don't do that

[iron iron]

Imagine not being able to cap THE Luxembourg

as germani

[elfin rock]

I'm going to touch you in ways you've never imagined before

[patent thistle]

seemingly?

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/how-many-times-do-we-have-to-teach-you-this-lesson-old-man-hi-there-young-people-spongebob-old-man-old-man-spongebob-gif-5749776374374436142

[safe wing]

this gif sums up WWII

[errant remnant]

Can u get achivmewnts in multiplayer?

[patent mesa]

Is there any viable templates for good cheap tanks?

for nations that isn't economically powerful compared to the majors

[heavy vigil]

what purpose

[heavy vigil]

you just make less of the units or make like mountaineers

tanks are to save manpower, not to save IC

where air is how you use your dominant IC

[patent mesa]

that isn't spg or something, cause I don't have them or even able to make them

[heavy vigil]

then dont make them

[sudden thistle]

No

[patent mesa]

well I don't know what to put in the template since it has mech and yeah

[safe wing]

didn't know that until now

[sudden grotto]

Well GeForce now Is free so i dont see the problem

[meager valley]

Well considering GeForce is actively aligning itself with govt surveillance entities like Palantir and going towards a fully rental model versus owning. As well as ramping up surveillance and selling your private data off. I don’t think it’s worth even when “free” since they are using you as a data mine. Plus it won’t always be.

[obsidian sigil]

huh

well thats something

[light goblet]

what is he doing

[quasi osprey]

I just robbed the soviets of most of their oil

[red lion]

From a HOI4 perspective what is the irl world tension rn

[jade ore]

idk

[light goblet]

20% at most 🧐

[safe wing]

20% at most as well

Better question where was world tension in 1200

Like how much world tension would a crusade cause in the Middle Ages

Like how much world tension did the 4th crusade cause

[light goblet]

??? argentina is being a total pushover and getting beat up by uruguay

[quasi osprey]

battle of stalingrad

[tiny iris]

BlackICE+Endsieg.
That is a challenge I have yet to see.

[late valley]

37 percent

[sudden thistle]

U can do it then!

[woven gate]

sheep's mod + endsieg + black ice

[late valley]

hey

[tiny iris]

On veteran difficulty.

[late valley]

what does sheep's mod do

[woven gate]

makes the ai really good

[heavy vigil]

the mods arent compatible

[late valley]

oh alr

[sudden thistle]

No where near compatible

[tiny iris]

I am sure I can make a mod like that in a week or so.

[heavy vigil]

alright

[late valley]

can we all agree the graphics in black ice look shit

[tiny iris]

It's a map strategy game, please.

[haughty sail]

Never mention the first mod. That mod is frowned upon

[errant remnant]

Hey so i SUCK at making planes does any1 have any good German empire templets?

[haughty sail]

Spoiler that word at the end

Smh

[late valley]

Like the ui and icons

[late wharf]

I mean, my favourite game looks like this 🤷‍♂️

[heavy vigil]

hi fraser 👋

[tiny iris]

You never say hi to me.

[late valley]

looks like a glorified calculator bro😭

[red lion]

Chat gpt said we are at 95 percent

[heavy vigil]

hi sopsis

[late wharf]

😭 ikr and i still put hours into it

[tiny iris]

If that is HOI4 modding, it doesn't look too complicated, it just seems like a lot of things to remember.

[late valley]

chat gpt glorifies russias and chinas connection and relations w iran

[tiny iris]

Hi.

[late valley]

respect

[late wharf]

No, that is Rule the Waves 3. Point being, games are ultimately what we make them out to be; they don't have to be the nicest looking or with the best UI to still enjoy 🥳

[late valley]

Nah my man ik people who use claude to play games

[late wharf]

Yeah, I don't really have anything to say for THAT... I usually just try to focus on making the most of my own free time nowadays, and less about what other people choose to play/do 😄

[late valley]

Ye me too but i tried it once its kinda fun u just basically Tell the ai i wanna simulate games through text like hoi 4 and then the ai gives u countries to pick from stats and any custom thing u wanna do

[quasi osprey]

moscow is ours

[late valley]

what ru even playing as

[young lake]

Is it worth buying the pack with the dlcs ?

[ripe slate]

If youre purchasing the game, yeh, €3 for those extra DLC is pretty good

[young lake]

Alr yea im trying to get into hoi4 but if there’s some nice dlcs for cheap I would definitely buy them too

[heavy vigil]

HI BEST MODDER #2

[ripe slate]

WDYM #2???

[heavy vigil]

sheep is the goat,,,,,

[young lake]

Huh

[zenith charm]

yo

[heavy vigil]

why are people upset about being second

its honest ratings

[ripe slate]

😔 💔

you know only a few modders

Im #2 out of 2 probably

[late wharf]

Don't worry, you're still ~~#2 ~~ #3 in my heart. 🥳

[ripe slate]

[ripe slate]

Damn, who is the new #2

😔

[forest sky]

hey, maybe a stupid question but im pretty new at hoi4 and was wanting to try out multiplayer some day, but i didnt buy any of the expansions yet. Are there mp games that i could join withouth having them or are they a must

[ripe slate]

You dont need to match the host's DLC, you can join any as long as you match their non-cosmetic mods

[forest sky]

oh so id be able to join any mutliplayer game that doesnt require mods?

[ripe slate]

Yeh and if it doesnt have a password

[forest sky]

oh alright, thank you for the information

do u maybe have any advice on like the best places to find good multiplayer games that arent like too try hard or anything

[red lion]

What are some cool mods if I’m just getting started

[ember vine]

TNO

Haven't played it, seems complicated asf

This damn bottom left corner

[slow vortex]

If I buy the expansion pass will there be better dlcs than no compromise no surrender

[knotty vortex]

i wanna play hungary and take over the entirety of europe. how do i deal with the mustache man

[heavy vigil]

i know a few

like

more than 2

maybe

[knotty vortex]

actually how do you beat germany as any nation that isnt the uk

cause ive never done it while not being the uk

[ionic wraith]

@heavy vigil what are meta special forces do you know?

[molten forge]

lowk anyone minds if i ask em to let me play a nation in south america, dont have that dlc

[heavy vigil]

oowuuifuhfgf

[grave sonnet]

Expansion pass 2 has : no compromise no surrender, peace in our time ,and Thunder at our gates

[ionic wraith]

so that means mounteineers right

[grave sonnet]

Just do 36 width mountaineers 👍🏼

[ionic wraith]

fo attack?

is it

infantry

better

or

[grave sonnet]

Mountaineers are better for attack than infantry

[ionic wraith]

what was the trick to remove cap of special forces

[grave sonnet]

You can't remove it

You can only make it bigger

You can do that with the army spirit Tip of the spear

And you can recruit more regular divisions

[ionic wraith]

tip of the spea

[grave sonnet]

To up the cap

[ionic wraith]

i've seen someone have full mountainer army in multiplayer last time

[molten forge]

ngl anyone got trial of alliance or graveyard of empires?

[ionic wraith]

whitout any regular

[grave sonnet]

I sadly do

[grave sonnet]

????

Idk about it

First time hearing

[molten forge]

do you mind if i try one nation in mp? if its fine with ya, just curious to try em

[ionic wraith]

yea german reich with full mountainers

[weary lagoon]

there is a technical exploit that allows you to have as many special forces as you want

[ionic wraith]

how does it work

[grave sonnet]

Define what you mean by "do you mind if I try one nation in MP"

[weary lagoon]

you basically create a 2 width cavalry division, recruit tons of them (ideal is 1200)

and then create a maxed out width cavalry division, and when you got all of your recruited 2 widths,

[molten forge]

like a nations focus tree from the dlc trial of allegience or graveyard of empires

[weary lagoon]

you convert them to this new maxed out division

and boom, the cap goes to the roof

[ionic wraith]

oooo

yeaa

i did that with as co op last time

[grave sonnet]

Ur not gonna have the resources tho Ur leaders and other stuff go get cooked

[ivory hull]

tno isntt really complicated, its just the UI

[grave sonnet]

My eyes agree ☝🏼

[molten forge]

damn alr

sorry

[grave sonnet]

I'm not sure tho

I can try

[grave sonnet]

I'm sorry I meant We

[ivory hull]

dont even know how there isnt a mod to fix that

[grave sonnet]

Idk if that's how it works tho since ion play MP

We can try however

[molten forge]

your choice, if you want you can try a nation from battle of the bosphorus or le resistance if you dont got those

[grave sonnet]

I have all DLC

[molten forge]

oooo nice

[grave sonnet]

My wallet disagrees

[molten forge]

understandable, i only have the 2 i mentioned

[heavy vigil]

just get more money

[grave sonnet]

I'll grow it on the trees rq

[heavy vigil]

thats what i do

[molten forge]

start fundraiser

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[grave sonnet]

Respect

[heavy vigil]

im broke tho highkey

[molten forge]

same

thats why am playing portugal

[grave sonnet]

It's worse I'm broke and live in Bosnia

[molten forge]

ok thats just bad luck ngl

[grave sonnet]

😔

True

[safe wing]

I have the exact opposite problem ATM

[molten forge]

btw do you think portugal needs tanks

[safe wing]

no

[heavy vigil]

you can give it to me dw

[safe wing]

Portugal should focus on Infantry IMO

[grave sonnet]

Play however you want if you are going for the macau my day achievement

You will need it

[molten forge]

whats that achivment?

[grave sonnet]

Make Collab in Macau and own all of China

[molten forge]

i will maybe do that but how do i even reach china (i dont really play portugal so)

[heavy vigil]

nao

[molten forge]

alright, just curious to make like a really cheap set of them

[heavy vigil]

maybe you could do light SPAA or light SPGs vs chinese inf/future enemies with air but idk

[molten forge]

alrighty, thanks

[fathom shard]

defeat allies > access to asian land -> invade china

or invade japan before ig it makes it easier

[hollow drum]

all i do is clash clash clash no matter what

[grave sonnet]

Do you Clash with Clans?

[fathom shard]

but his clash really is royal

[grave sonnet]

True

He brawls like a star

[viscid stirrup]

why is everyone pretending to be socrates

[fathom shard]

and his squad is composed of busters

[viscid stirrup]

its flipping socrates again

[fathom shard]

what a hay day

[sudden thistle]

U own Chinese port

[spiral cove]

console godd👾

[fathom shard]

greater imperium romanum

Senatus Populusque Romanus

[hasty field]

💩

[icy egret]

Console?

[cedar lance]

i Like modern/mbt tanks a lot in hoi4

really wish they could add a seperate mbt chassis

[fathom shard]

modern tanks are bad

[cedar lance]

how?

[fathom shard]

the shitty soft attack

[safe wing]

The fact he is a 40 year old man playing hoi4 as his main gig is quite pathetic

[molten forge]

quick question

how do i beat turkey as greece

[safe wing]

In eu4 or hoi4

[molten forge]

hoi4

[safe wing]

Or Medivial 2

[molten forge]

id do that irl tbf

[fathom shard]

40 year old man doxxing people over a hoi4 drama

[unkempt zodiac]

if doxxing is your power what are you without it?

[fathom shard]

abusing the chokehold

and just encircle their whole army like 5 times

[fathom shard]

not dave

[safe wing]

Me who gets paid 25 usd per hour at a job with awesome benefits meanwhile:

Paid pizza parties by staff paid time off and a yearly paid paintball match

[cedar lance]

are modern tanks worth it to build and produce

[fathom shard]

dave could have just ignored the whole situation and kept making bag but he chose to end his career

[fathom shard]

NO

[cedar lance]

no need for caps

[safe wing]

Medium 38s and 40’s all the way

[cedar lance]

whatever

[fathom shard]

modern tanks when they cost 3x the medium tank to produce and do 25 soft attack with all the tech

[safe wing]

And by the time you get modern tanks the game is over

[fathom shard]

i think they should rework the modern tnaks

because they have no point in being used

[red lion]

Is that a mod

[safe wing]

completly different game that is better than Hoi4 IMO

[fathom shard]

you misspelled MIO

but nice try

[safe wing]

IMO means in my opinon

MIO means military industrial organization

[fathom shard]

no really?

[prisma saddle]

ayo

bets path for the turks?

[cedar lance]

my Main fav mod is rise of nations
ive played RON a couple few times

[fathom shard]

ottoman

[celest dirge]

AHHHH!

[tiny iris]

I did it, I actually did it.
I came out of a naval battle without losing half my fleet and not only that, I am the victor.

[fair horizon]

truly amazing, to think you decided to continue against those odds

[prisma saddle]

and?

[fair horizon]

thats it thats the path

the other ones are big suck

[prisma saddle]

OTTO MAN😔

[tiny iris]

I am ready to take on the entire Kreigsmarine.

[jaunty grail]

guys which is better

[fair horizon]

reorg

[jaunty grail]

ty

[pulsar bloom]

What are the two leaders that you can get as the lecture group ascendent with Japan?

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-palpatine-anakin-skywalker-phantom-menace-gif-10607636

[jaunty grail]

what do i do with my dockyards i just freed up?

[fair horizon]

refit ships or make convoys

otherwise you cant ever have enough screens

[jaunty grail]

i got 100 percent logistics do i still need convoys

[jaunty grail]

wdym?

[fair horizon]

screens die

if you have too little capitals get hit by torpedoes

extra screens means you can take more losses

[jaunty grail]

what are screens exactly

[fair horizon]

destroyers/CL

if you dont have a lot of capitals you could build more battleships/carriers/CAs

[cedar lance]

man i wanted to play Rise of nations mod again

but it crashed my game

[jaunty grail]

ty

wait whats a ca

[fair horizon]

heavy cruiser

[jaunty grail]

alright

[astral forum]

Time to endlessly spam the steam comments with the blocky "UPDATE" comments

[heavy vigil]

hi drip

[cedar lance]

idk why Rise of nations crashed my game

[rich finch]

it nevers crashes mine

were u on updating history

?

[fleet sable]

since when do i need the neutral foreign policy national spirit to create factions?

[cedar lance]

yes

[rich finch]

let it wait

dont do anything

[fleet sable]

??

[rich finch]

just wait till it loDs

loads

dont click anything neither

[cedar lance]

i didnt click

[fair horizon]

what

[fair horizon]

omg casey hiii

[rich finch]

anzac

[fair horizon]

yeah i get that but i play australia so much im surprised i didnt have it

[heavy vigil]

hru????

[cedar lance]

im gonna verify files

[rich finch]

i only play germany soviet or usa

ngl

everything else is boring

[cedar lance]

even tho Rise of nations is on the latest version

[fair horizon]

im good

[heavy vigil]

im in awe

at how shockingly good the SUB-I-II is

[cedar lance]

Rise of nations is on the latest version

[astral forum]

-# War Thunder or irl lmao

[heavy vigil]

i dont think it ever saw combat irl?

did it?

[fair horizon]

oh yeah its amazing

i dont own it but my friend plays it

[heavy vigil]

its like really good at flanking, really quiet

decently fast

[astral forum]

Couldn't tell you, I know Jack about any vehicles before or after the 30s and mid 40s

[heavy vigil]

ok do you like the I-Go Ko

[fair horizon]

thats how i like playing my american 40mm aa

[heavy vigil]

yeah but they dont have aura

[fair horizon]

bofors go hard tho

[astral forum]

🥲

[heavy vigil]

it was used in the 30s and 40s

shocking tank really

[slender breach]

Is there a way to play as Åland, I love Åland so much

[astral forum]

I've played it in War Thunder a bit
I hate it

[heavy vigil]

i uptier it for fun

[astral forum]

I never got far in Japan, I think I was researching the Chi-Ha LG. My girlfriend loves (loved I guess, both of us are unhappy with Gaijin and not playing as much) Japanese ground though and got it up to 7.3 or 8.0 and talks my ear off about it all the time

[cedar lance]

does verifying files usually fix the crashing issues

[heavy vigil]

yeah they have aura

[fair horizon]

casey do you like my political reconstruction of europe?

[jaunty grail]

do i go into naval or naval support

[craggy trail]

Yes. It usually does

[cedar lance]

nice thx tails

[heavy vigil]

i dont know

[craggy trail]

No problem

[heavy vigil]

also like it isnt that bad

you just wanna avoid anything with armor, long range combat, fast movement combat

[astral forum]

I personally was a schizophrenic Sweden player for a bit, and then German, and then Sweden/America when I got the Cobra King for free, and then Germany when I got gifted the Sla.16

[astral forum]

It's the mobility for me. At that low of a battle rating it's a bit grating on me

[heavy vigil]

oh yeah it isnt the fastest

or the heaviest hitting

or has a lot of armor

it has a few negatives but the HEAT round isnt that bad

[cedar lance]

im 46 pecrent done with verifying files

[astral forum]

At low brs I love whipping around in my evil and intimidating Stuart so
:P

[heavy vigil]

just uptier it and make some low armor guy ragequit is the i go meta

[astral forum]

Fair enough

[jaunty grail]

how do i export excess materials

[heavy vigil]

legit its rlly bad but its like, i did kill like a pt 76 or whatever with it

just have to try and play for like sideshots at close range, which tbf just about any tank can do

[astral forum]

Hell of an uptier lmao

PT76s have the evil HEATFS but
That's bout it

I wonder when the Infantry stuff is finally gonna come out...

[heavy vigil]

its just 5.7

[astral forum]

With an I-Go though

[heavy vigil]

it sometimes gets a kill and it makes me very proud when it does

its also like my last respawn so whatever

[astral forum]

Which is totally valid, that is definitely an accomplishment

• God Mode, right?

[heavy vigil]

idk? its only +5

i dont do it for that i just want to bring it, my k/d in total is like negative

i suck

[astral forum]

:P

Damn you autobot 😭

Nah, War Thunder is definitely tough to get good at though

[jaunty grail]

can i still go through with the trade

[heavy vigil]

im also just bad which is alright

[astral forum]

So long as it doesn't say "can't construct buildings" then yeah

[heavy vigil]

other people would uptier something that like has piercing and speed though

because thats usually how you like perform well

[astral forum]

Yup

[heavy vigil]

which the i go kinda doesnt have

[jaunty grail]

ty

[heavy vigil]

well its like 55m pen on the HEAT but its not very fast or small

[astral forum]

My friends have seen locusts get high tier nuclears before for example

[buoyant wedge]

what is the condition for the indian partisans to rise up?

ive never seen this before

[astral forum]

Yup lmao

It's sorta like uptiering the L3/33 in a way ig

Why would you, but also it's fun

[heavy vigil]

idk i dont play the US

[jaunty delta]

Thunderers here 😭

[flint forum]

I alway's play as germany in hoi4

I lsot to austria btw( i think i lost )

Im new tho so yh

[astral forum]

It's the M22, which is basically a tiny two person scout tank with its sole capability being speed and size

[astral forum]

#off-topic is hoi4, #hoi4-general is everything else...

[heavy vigil]

ive only played italy, japan and china really

[astral forum]

Minor nations only 😭
I do love low tier China though

[heavy vigil]

im only at like mid tier in general :(

havent been pc gaming for like 10 years like many other people

[fair horizon]

mmm pocket

[cedar lance]

im gonna test out Rise of nations mod tomorrow

[astral forum]

I've only played for like a year and I have 7.7 Germany (9.3 if you count the R.400), 5.3 US, 4.0 Sweden, and that's bout it I think
Also 5.0 German air and 4.0 Swedish air ig

Haven't picked it up for a few months though

[heavy vigil]

ohh nice

[fair horizon]

:)

[astral forum]

Kinda got some lines crossed with Gaijin and the playerbase so I needed a big break

[heavy vigil]

im like 4.7 china 6.0 hungary/ita and 5.7 japan

[heavy vigil]

i lowkey dont even know how to chat in wt lmao

but its chill

[astral forum]

6.0 Italy and you're still a functional human being, huh lmao
-# Italy till 4.0 is considered "playable" and is considered overall the worst tech tree

[flint forum]

why is allies VC so hostile gng

[heavy vigil]

idk

[jaunty grail]

do i take improved workers conditions?

[astral forum]

Yeahhh, there's just a lot overall that's definitely a turnoff for me as well though
Hopping off War Thunder gave me more time to play hoi4 and do sum modding stuff though so I guess that's nice

Might subject myself to playing Navy later for some achievements

[heavy vigil]

ok so i did crash out once in wt

[fair horizon]

chat should i do it

[heavy vigil]

because of the uh m4 you get as italy

[fair horizon]

id have to go to war with the usa

[heavy vigil]

and i was like wow i cant pierce or damage anyone this sucks

[fair horizon]

wym?

[heavy vigil]

and so i did stop playing any italian vehicles, but the hungarian ones are really good

[fair horizon]

shermans are so good in wt

[flint forum]

@shut atlas Wie funktioniert Navy

[heavy vigil]

around here

[flint forum]

Does anyone know how navy works

???

[heavy vigil]

yes

[fair horizon]

yeah they're great

[flint forum]

Can you uuhh explain how to move units with navy like transport

[fair horizon]

im pretty knowledgable

[heavy vigil]

i crashed out

[fair horizon]

i mean they do suffer from gaijin's terrible design

[heavy vigil]

im never playing them again

[fair horizon]

like needing to research shells

[heavy vigil]

ok maybe when i get them as japan like once

[fair horizon]

i love my shermans

you should really play them they're an excellent tank

[jaunty grail]

how do i fix my oil shortage as germany im already importing like 24

[heavy vigil]

ill try the M 36 when i get it

[fair horizon]

m36 is good, 90mm is very good at penning tigers

[astral forum]

I love the M36

[heavy vigil]

idk if ill even bother with the M4A3

[heavy vigil]

tigers are a joke

[flint forum]

Guy's does götterdämmetung give actual prototypes or just skins

[rapid pewter]

Build refs

[astral forum]

Especially when German mains are literally the worst in the world

Why do you think the first tip in any guide is "ANGLE YOUR TIGER"

[heavy vigil]

woah... im the worst....

[languid mango]

i love nordic league

[fair horizon]

its funny when you slap a tiger 2 through his turret face

[fair horizon]

cant angle your barrel

[heavy vigil]

ive learned angling from the Chi-To

its a really good tank when angled in armor

[astral forum]

Yup

[flint forum]

Everyone in Allies Co-op am i supposed to leave VC im just trying to look at the Live @little glen

SOrry

if i was annoying yall

Oh nvm there isnt even a live

[heavy vigil]

pretty extreme example but still

[fair horizon]

see thats the issue with a lot of people's thoughts in wt

armor doesnt exist

dont get shot at in the first place 🧠

[heavy vigil]

the chi to does have real and functional armor

like unironically

[fair horizon]

what br is it?>

[heavy vigil]

4.7

i bring it up with my 5.7 lineup and it still often doesnt die to hits

[fair horizon]

another pocket 🤤

low tier has weird stuff because if you're uptiered? no armor. same tier? functional armor.

[heavy vigil]

it has both

[jaunty delta]

USA is rubbish against USSR in top tier, especially in urban maps

[heavy vigil]

see screenshot, up to 500mm armor when angled

[fair horizon]

thats because premium players are terrible

[fair horizon]

sure but look at the hull

[cedar lance]

YES

i verified hoi4 game files

[fair horizon]

💀

[heavy vigil]

anglesthat are common ish

[cedar lance]

ill test out rise of nations mod tomorrow

[heavy vigil]

even when straight its like more

[fair horizon]

most tanks would punch through that like butter

like the m22 can pen the side of that and it has a 37mm gun

[heavy vigil]

theyre small so its easy not to hit a specific spot

[astral forum]

I enjoy killing various medium tanks with my Ostwind II

[fair horizon]

75mm HE round in question:

[heavy vigil]

you cant rely on the side armor

but the front armor is reliable

[fair horizon]

cant rely on forward armor

pretty sure a 76 sherman punches right through it

[heavy vigil]

you can this is the weak spot

[fair horizon]

and the same with the chi-to gun punching through the sherman armor

[heavy vigil]

the chi ri is cooked

it has like a million weak spots

the regular chi to also has a couple

but the chi to late is awesome

[fair horizon]

japanese tanks have good gun and speed

[heavy vigil]

try it if you can

its awesome

[fair horizon]

im still salty they moved the m18 hellcat to 6.0

[heavy vigil]

why

doesnt it have like a good gun

[fair horizon]

it does

[heavy vigil]

i got the chi ri after it got both nerfed and moved up at the same time

and it makes me a bit sad because its just bad

[fair horizon]

it got moved up because tiger players have tunnel vision

[heavy vigil]

its like literally

imagine a tiger tank with worse armor, more weak spots, a slightly worse gun but with a useless secondary gun

thats all that it is

[sly venture]

how good can you make a space marine template?

[fair horizon]

you could make a better real div

[prisma saddle]

NOOO

😔

[sly venture]

wdym with real am i schizophrenic and fighting with air particles

[fair horizon]

turkey leader named ataturk? ok bud

[sly venture]

do I make the tank aa sp tank?

[fair horizon]

my german puppet is kicking butt

[heavy vigil]

no?

why would you

you lose your break and piercing

[sly venture]

What is the design tho

[fair horizon]

NOOOOOOOO I CRASHED

[prisma saddle]

turkey will never forget

[heavy vigil]

just use HV 2, 2x HMG, 3 man turret

and whatever that gives break for other module slots

do armor ticks for break

probably like diesel engine if you want to lose less to attritioning since its inf

[patent thistle]

back to that game

[sly venture]

Armor skirts and radio?

or do I do sloped armor and radio

[heavy vigil]

sure

no sloped armor

it just increases tank cost a lot

also use riveted armor for same reason

[flint forum]

hoi4 server is so kind...

[patent thistle]

dont, touch, my, kurdistan.

[fair horizon]

are you playing kurdistan?

[flint forum]

my beloved TANNU TUVA

[patent thistle]

nah its still that one mandate of palestine game

now levante

[upbeat vector]

Listen up hoi4 gamers, i thought they would never do this but they did

[fair horizon]

norwegian is such a funny language

[upbeat vector]

They will add the emu faction to hoi4

The strongest faction as you all know

The hardest path now is going to try to defeat the emus as australia

(Impossible)

[fair horizon]

the funniest thing about the emu wars is that they claimed the emus ran faster than their bullets

[patent thistle]

have you seen danish or finish?

[fair horizon]

finish isnt real and danish is similar to swedish iirc

[patent thistle]

finland, why, the, flying, hell do you have 6 words here-

one being straight up stolen romania style from us (auto means car in german)

[upbeat vector]

Germanic language beaf as a french natuve speaker but not in europe

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

I am all for it

[patent thistle]

nevermind we arent that innocent it seems-

[fair horizon]

wait i just realized i can steal all of italy and germany's troops to keep them from getting autonomy

[patent thistle]

only noticed now?

[fair horizon]

i dont use my puppets often

[upbeat vector]

Nobody calls a car by saying gondola

Thats the thing

[fair horizon]

but unironically they're crushing it in poland

[upbeat vector]

It is TECHNICALLY A CAR

but it isnt what people CALL a car

[patent thistle]

we also dont call "aufzugskabine" the same way you would most likely call a car

auzugskabine basically is just either the inside of a lift or these small houses before a Gondel

[upbeat vector]

"Voiture" is the correct french way of saying car but french canadians are the americans version of the french and we call cars ALSO with the term "char"

Which technically is a tank for the french

Like a tank for battle

Intended or not it do be funny

"Let me get in my TANK"

https://tenor.com/view/glasses-sunglasses-cool-tom-cruise-smile-gif-17437889

[patent thistle]

i dont like you fr*nch

[upbeat vector]

Reasonable

[patent thistle]

Panzerkampfwagen VI „Tiger“ Ausführung E

[fair horizon]

goodbye you rotten tub

[fathom shard]

genuinely obsessed over french people

[patent thistle]

OH MAN NOT THE GOEBEN

[patent thistle]

CENSOR THAT WORD OR YOU WILL BE EXECUTED FOR TREASON

[fathom shard]

joke isn't even funny

[upbeat vector]

He is german, even in good faith i know that german (the language) is just way worse than french

In every single way

[jaunty grail]

suddenly my logistics dropped for some reason, i keep asigning military factories to trains

its wasting all my factories

do i have to assign more?

[fathom shard]

most of these germans have never interacted in real life with french people too

they just see everyone trashing on them so they join in

or have visited paris once and think every frenchman is like that lmao

[patent thistle]

i litterally have talked to some fr*nch and about 60-80% of which hate themselvs too

[upbeat vector]

People in paris dont give a f who you are

[fathom shard]

you have online

i don't think anyone here even goes outside so i don't see why i should be specifying tht

[upbeat vector]

Ive talked to some germans on discord and 80% are re like you cause you just diluted the pool

Not fair?

Watch this, thats called a fertilizer arguement

[fathom shard]

i don't think i've seen any one of them explain why they hate the french

[patent thistle]

i am quite litterally a 5-6 hour drive away from Paris and i have been there more then once

[upbeat vector]

PARIS ≠ REST OF FRANCE

[fair horizon]

italy is lend leasing me my own planes 💀

[upbeat vector]

this idiot

[fathom shard]

exactly LOL

paris isn't the only city of france

[upbeat vector]

Ive been to france when i was young ans even i know this.

[patent thistle]

everytime i was in fr*nce (not only paris) i have gotten something stolen from me or got scammed my guy

[upbeat vector]

I dont live in france

And been ONCE in paris

[fathom shard]

oh yeah because the people scamming are french

😂

[fair horizon]

chat should i call burma into the war?

[upbeat vector]

You cant get scammed in germany

Tf you on about

You think berlin is any better now

(No it is not)

Tourist trap

[patent thistle]

if you want to talk about the black sheeps in germany talk about frankfurt

[upbeat vector]

Why frankfurt

[fathom shard]

most if not all tourist traps in Paris and any other major city are done by strangers not french people