hoi4-general

[leaden mulch]

not "smart"

[icy crescent]

True.

[heavy vigil]

HI CHEESE

[leaden mulch]

so someone who is smart would be a smart person

which is then the definition of "smart person"

[leaden mulch]

hello!

[icy crescent]

Common sense would be reading the server rules.

[upper tendon]

Why for you

[fathom shard]

it still uses the word smart to define iitself

[leaden mulch]

So then is your definition of smart, "common sense"?

[slim nexus]

genuinely stfu i don’t care and i’m not answering your stupid question, i was obviously joking

[fathom shard]

what you're saying is not a proper definition it's just an endless and non helpful circular definition

[icy crescent]

No, but John claims that reading rules would be stupid or not worth the time.

[fathom shard]

ragebait succesful

[leaden mulch]

yeah because you asked to define two words together

[icy crescent]

But let's not commit arson.
This is the #hoi4-general.

[leaden mulch]

If you asked me to define "smart" by itself then I would have

[fathom shard]

it's not about two words, the issue is that the definition repeaats the word instead of explaining it

[leaden mulch]

nuh uh

[slim nexus]

ig bro

[heavy vigil]

HOW ARE YOY

[leaden mulch]

pretty good

very dehydrated

but still

hru

[woeful knoll]

ragebait = "i lost the argument" or "i dont like your opinion"

[fathom shard]

there was no argument to begin with as you just chose not to argue

[woeful knoll]

i am not john

bruh

[heavy vigil]

you should drink vodka

[fathom shard]

you default pfps all look the same tbf

[nocturne radish]

Hi quick question do you guys play multiplayer via a dc server or just casual random multiplayer server from vanilla hoi4

[leaden mulch]

pfp racism in the big 26...

[upper tendon]

Both

[serene knot]

guys

[nocturne radish]

How much % of your casual games would you say are playable without big disconnects or desyncs etc?

[steel zephyr]

gonna start a new germany run for the achievement but this one went well

also for whatever reason, sweden is fond of guaranting luxembourg

[upper tendon]

Tbh 0

[steel zephyr]

happened this game, happened before

had to invade sweden just because i invaded lux

[woeful knoll]

wat achivement

[nocturne radish]

Do you by any chance know some servers where you can casualy hop on and play

[steel zephyr]

true britzkreig

cap poland and france before 1940, which i did

but i puppeted them both

so i didnt fit the terms

[upper tendon]

Nah but just go to a server that has like 1936 in its name and it should be good and that way u get into the servers that play almost daily

[woeful knoll]

"Finnish Kier Starmer isn't real, he cant hurt you" finnish kier starmer:

[upper tendon]

Havent played for like a month because was too busy...

[steel zephyr]

said the same thing a bit ago 💀

yo

[upper tendon]

Why finland in italian league...

[woeful knoll]

non historical shenanaigans

[nocturne radish]

Where can i find these? U mean just in the mp tap in the game?

[upper tendon]

Yeah

Just search for 1936 and put no password

There should be some

[nocturne radish]

Alr thank you so much bro

[woeful knoll]

how long does multiplayer take cuz im scared i will be stuck for 5 hours

[upper tendon]

If there aint any then just wait for about 10mins

[upper tendon]

Depends but many times it over 10 hours

[violet quartz]

will britain be fine

[upper tendon]

Mp games are usually like 3 or 4 speed so it slow

[upper tendon]

Yeah

[nocturne radish]

What 😱😱😱

Are u serious

[upper tendon]

Yeah

[nocturne radish]

Gg

[woeful knoll]

us will save them

[woeful knoll]

exactgly bro i never played mp cuz of this

[nocturne radish]

Guess im stuck with friends and singleplayer then

[upper tendon]

Tbh playing with friends is only a little faster

[nocturne radish]

But you can save and replay

[upper tendon]

Yeah

[leaden mulch]

but you could theoretically spread the game out over many days

[upper tendon]

Well none of my friends play hoi so i never thought of it

[nocturne radish]

😔

[nocturne radish]

But i once played a random game after like barely 2 hours it was 1941

[upper tendon]

Holy wifi then

[nocturne radish]

The host was very brutal tho purged every lagging player

[upper tendon]

Kinda ruins point of mp...

He purged lagging majors?

[nocturne radish]

Yea

[nocturne radish]

I think he is well know his name was smth with sappa

[upper tendon]

He replaced majors that lagged?

[nocturne radish]

But it saved the game

[nocturne radish]

I cant remeber it

[upper tendon]

Ok

[nocturne radish]

But thanks for your answers again 🍜🫕🍲

[quick hare]

hoi4 rlly isnt a good simulator scenario sandbox game for my computer bc everytime i even attempt to do something slightly silly like deviating a major country from its historical path a little bit and play it on road to 56, my cpu explodes and starts acting like its gonna light my table on fire by 1949 and the game freezes

[upper tendon]

Get new pc then

[upper tendon]

U forgot to invade philippines and australia

[karmic viper]

aint at war with the usa

and not much of a point for me to do so

better to focus on invading the uk and africa

[upper tendon]

Why...

[karmic viper]

no point to take australia

they pose no real threat

[upper tendon]

Well u could get usa

[karmic viper]

so its better to focus on naval invading and taking out the british

[fair horizon]

Oil field tho

[karmic viper]

I already have oil

enough

from puppets and my land

NO

I DONT EVEN NEED MY PUPPET'S OIL ANY MORE

[karmic viper]

also its only 11

[upper tendon]

U could get usa oil

[karmic viper]

omg

I just said I aint at war with the usa

can you read

and I just said I have way more then enough oil

[upper tendon]

Bro if u would invade philippines u could get usa

[karmic viper]

omg

[upper tendon]

Use ur brain

[karmic viper]

BRO I JUST SAID I AM GOING TO FOCUS ON BRITAIN

this is rage bait aint it

[upper tendon]

No

[upper tendon]

I just see no reason why u would focus on britain

[karmic viper]

for the last time I aint at war with the usa

and I dont plan to go to war with them

I need to develop my naval strength and stuff

your basically asking me to screw over my run

[upper tendon]

...

[fathom shard]

so u just lowkey wanna let usa build up strong

it's already 1943 theyll just keep becoming stronger

and at some point theyre gonna get nukes

[karmic viper]

so lets use our brains hoi4 players

[fathom shard]

FYI usa declares on you later on

on historical

[karmic viper]

I have 500 divisions (with ok supply) on the canadian border with the usa

who do you think is finna win

[fathom shard]

if you don't have air and bad templates then usa woulld

[upper tendon]

But ur screenshot shows 400

[karmic viper]

thats not the point

[fathom shard]

what do you benefit from going after the soviet union before the uk/usa

[upper tendon]

Usa probably will have more and u have low manpower

[karmic viper]

....

omg this guy

LOW MP

I have china (cored btw) india, and most of asia

[upper tendon]

In ur screenshot it show 122k...

[fathom shard]

i don't think yo ucan core china as japan

[karmic viper]

cuz my conspiration law was limited

[upper tendon]

Cant japan core asia

[karmic viper]

I had like 2 million with limited

[fathom shard]

and if you had cores on china.. you'd have like 20M manpower

which is not the case as we can see..

[karmic viper]

you know what I give up with yall

[fathom shard]

do you know what core means

[heavy vigil]

depends on path afaik

i think democratic can

[fathom shard]

yes but here he's playing historical isn't he

[fathom shard]

most likely not by 1943, iirc it's slow and costy

[steel zephyr]

could've sworn bratislava was lvl7

[woeful knoll]

Bro just push

brno is literally open

[steel zephyr]

i am yo

larp larp larp

[woeful knoll]

Shift click field marshal

Agressive Battleplan

[steel zephyr]

field marshall is smeg

[woeful knoll]

Offnnsive line to poland

Go

[patent thistle]

sleep is overrated, am i right?

[uncut pollen]

Lets please not

And lets not Bypass the filter

[uncut pollen]

No

[patent thistle]

my insomniac ass says something diffrent

[uncut pollen]

Go sleep

[patent thistle]

i quite litterally tried-

my body quite litterally refuses rest

[upper tendon]

2 am aint late... it 3 am for me

I tryna sleep but my body used to going sleep at 6:30am...

Ig i gotta roll in bed for 3 more hours...

[uncut pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-doge-gif-24837098

[patent thistle]

i quite litterally have insomnia which only makes me sleep once my body forces the issue

[upper tendon]

Hmm i also might have it

[karmic viper]

OFC WHEN I DO A NAVAL INVASION THAT WORKS THESE GUYS ONLY DO ONE NOW

[patent thistle]

i am pretty sure you can have tests done

[upper tendon]

Too lazy

I live in middle of nowhere so yeah...

Would need to drive like 130km

[patent thistle]

you know its bad when the battle for seelow heights discord has gotten its last announcement litterally a year ago

[opaque zinc]

Your pfp is so cute

I wanna get the crusader kings 3 achievement as Poland

Today

But idk how to like actually invade Britain

Because I need to take Jerusalem so I have to cap the uk and take it

😂

[storm escarp]

I actually hate the frontline ai dude why do my division go to like 1 tile and refuse to move when they are about the be encircle by 50 motorised troops what the hell

[patent thistle]

thats why you sometimes make on specific tiles a temporary fallback line

[opaque zinc]

I’ll do collab goverments and then uh

Bro

Idk how to navy

I kinda get it

But I don’t get it

😂

Especially being the uk navy

[upper tendon]

Dont do navy just paradrop

[patent thistle]

☝️ as poland its straight up worthless to even try to contest the british navy

by the time you actually get great sea access and not just danzig (which isnt exactly nice to begin with) the US is already in the allies

[fair horizon]

WRONG

[patent thistle]

ofcourse you have to get involved

i said in a tactical sense

[patent thistle]

you forgot 2 states

[fair horizon]

You would probably win against germany and have a half decent fleet if you stole all the capitals though

[patent thistle]

"half decent" my ass have you even seen the scharnhorst design?

[acoustic crystal]

unfortunately it isnt mine 😔

[fair horizon]

Littoro and vichy france fleet

[quick hare]

pdx tools has an anti cheat engine (not an anti cheat engine but if you use cheat commands for a chaotic save then your save file is too corrupted for pdx tools) 😭

[patent thistle]

vichy often doesnt even get the chance to join the axis in my games

either they get eaten by germany or germany dies too fast

[fair horizon]

They do when the usa declares on them

[patent thistle]

germany often dies too fast for the US to intervene

in my games when i do poland

[acoustic crystal]

Germany dies

[fair horizon]

oh i guess i didnt think about that yeah

[fathom shard]

i've alwasy wondered what makes germany annex vichy france on historical

[quick hare]

in rt56 ww2 sometimes keeps on going in 1949

[fair horizon]

Im used to not being able to intervene so much in europe

[patent thistle]

basically when vichy losses north africa germany gets the decision

[fair horizon]

I fight japan ib the apcific

[patent thistle]

which they instantly press

[fathom shard]

ohh alr

[fair horizon]

Is that the one where they try to sieze the french fleet?

[patent thistle]

that doesnt even work as it should*

[fair horizon]

I mean it kinda does, they scuttled it irl and the only time ive seen that they do so

[little compass]

,',|,'_

[patent thistle]

ye but even if i actually do their goal of reaching the port i still dont get the dam fleet

[fair horizon]

Yeah because they scuttled it in harbor

[patent thistle]

ye but the decision actually has a goal you can reach and if you reach it germany SHOULD be able to seize it yet the fleet still gets deleted

[fair horizon]

Ah i didnt realize theres actually a decision

As germany they've never lost north africa for me

[patent thistle]

when i do germany it usually never gets to the point of the US intervening

[lime rune]

Haven't played the game in over a year and I want to get back to it and have a quick question, I've seen a few playthroughs already and now, does Japan always attack/invite the Russia even with historical focuses on?

[fair horizon]

I havent really played germany since before i got the dlcs

[fair horizon]

Should do if it follows history

[upper tendon]

Go play then

Quit touching grass

[faint fiber]

I am farming the Chinese Army for XP

[indigo flume]

1984 but in 2007 after Big Brother falls

[upper tendon]

Handling overpopulation in 2026...

[faint fiber]

lol

thats just not ok

[upper tendon]

Anyways why u using cheats...

0 losses

[faint fiber]

because I like to

[upper tendon]

Well kinda ruin the fun

[faint fiber]

not for me

[upper tendon]

Well the thing that makes hoi fun is that it aint super easy but still pretty easy so its balanced difficulty so cheating kinda ruins the fun part

[faint fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/perfectly-balanced-thanos-infinity-war-gif-13078930

[fathom shard]

i can't even get myself to play without ironman mode cause i feel like im cheating

[steel zephyr]

got muted for an hour, but managed to get two germany achievements

[fathom shard]

without using any commands or anything

[steel zephyr]

not much fun in stalingrad

and true blitzkreig

[upper tendon]

Same

[fathom shard]

it feels like putting efforts into a save for it just not to be valid

[upper tendon]

Yeah

[sharp sierra]

if i wasnt going for achievements half the time id never ever play on ironman

[steel zephyr]

everyone in axis apart from belgium and hungary are a puppet

[sharp sierra]

i just copy and paste the save file anyways if i mess up

[fathom shard]

next level of cheating

[sharp sierra]

the game doesnt deserve anybodys time like that

[upper tendon]

It deserves after u marry hoi

[sharp sierra]

hoe4

[lime rune]

@fair horizon but to the point that it conquers it then? Does that happen every single time? IRL I think it was a small engagement and that was it...

[jade parcel]

j

[fathom shard]

is it bad if i have 250 hours on the game in 2 weeks

[tepid zinc]

.

[fathom shard]

well more like 3 weeks

[tepid zinc]

dude you would've been playing for ~1.49 weeks. if 2 weeks

[fathom shard]

no actually 1 month now

nvm

[tepid zinc]

your going to be a real hoi4 player

[fathom shard]

yeah 250 hours in a month

[tepid zinc]

just dont touch grass

[fathom shard]

i had 1k hours before too

im at 1.25k hours

ive been playing since early 2024

[tepid zinc]

nice

[fathom shard]

but took a huge pause from 2024 to late 2025

this game is just so addictive

[tepid zinc]

frfr

i figured out how to get the sub bonuses early as non-hist germany

u just start the civil war and then done

[fathom shard]

sub bonuses as in?

[tepid zinc]

all of the speed bonuses, company bonuses, admiral bonuses, and just sub bonuses

[fathom shard]

ohh

[tepid zinc]

and the mastery bonus

[fathom shard]

i don't play navy so idrk about those

[tepid zinc]

.....

YOU DONT PLAY NAVY???

[fathom shard]

like

i know how to use navies

but i didn't learn templates designs and stuff

[tepid zinc]

u wanna now my strategy?

[fathom shard]

i just steal the royal navyy

and

yeah

thats it

[tepid zinc]

Torpedo, submarine

[fathom shard]

aren't submarines nerfed to the darkest slums of hell with the new dlc and updates

[tepid zinc]

depends if you know how to use them

[fathom shard]

i mean yeah but before they would be useable as like the only ship in your navy

now you can't really do that reliably

[tepid zinc]

i mean, depends on how much of them you get out

[ember sparrow]

anyone here knows a mod that lets you kill a country's president and government officials

like when ur on war with a country

[fathom shard]

lock this guy up bro

[ember sparrow]

What bro

I just wanna be realistic

[tepid zinc]

No Step Back USSR Mexico Trotsky

not a mod but a dlc

[fair horizon]

They're not very good right now no.

[steel zephyr]

less than 100k losses in total for the game so far... war with czechia, france, romania, yugo, poland, soviets, baltics, and recently sweden and denmark

[storm escarp]

It's been done guys

[tepid zinc]

true german patriot right here lads

[storm escarp]

Not a single drop of german blood in me

Matter of fact I'm romanian

[fathom shard]

(yes himmler is a field marshal)

[fair horizon]

Play a different country

[storm escarp]

Take a break

[tepid zinc]

Wolfenstein???

[fathom shard]

no idea what that is

[steel zephyr]

larp

[tepid zinc]

.

hmmm, funny flag, or economist

lads liberal leanings or conservative value?

bro left it in

[fathom shard]

i literally spent like 3 hours just waiting for nukes

i wanted to try them out for the first time

peak

[slim nexus]

this game is so hard

[tepid zinc]

@fathom shard what focus do i take?

ur the great scholar

[fathom shard]

no idea what any of those two do

[slim nexus]

i literally need a game manual to play

this is like The Elder Scrolls: Arena but a lot less cool

and more complex

i would strive for conservative values

that’s what i did

today

[tepid zinc]

liberal learnings = funny flag, trade laws economy laws and PA lowering
Conservative vaulues = economist PA, PA, Conscription, army cheif, navy cheif, air cheif, high comand cost reduction

[floral anchor]

how do i make my troops attack

[fathom shard]

what country even is that focuss in

[tepid zinc]

select the troops and then right click on where you want them to go/attack

[tepid zinc]

deutschland

[floral anchor]

oh ok thx

[fathom shard]

ive never seen this lmao

democratic germany?

[tepid zinc]

ya democratic

[fathom shard]

oh

the only time i've played it was with the historical focus tree cheese

[tepid zinc]

wow

y'know what ima just do conservative values cause, all my neighbours are going communist/fasicst

[opal nymph]

Isnt left good for eco and right for military bonuses?

Both are good if I remember correctly

[tepid zinc]

liberal leanins got economy and trade laws

[pliant ginkgo]

Guys what’s a good army size for Germany by mid 1938?

[tepid zinc]

i would prob say ~50-100 troops

just aslong as their good

[fathom shard]

conservative because who really wants to be a liberal

especially in a war focused game

[pliant ginkgo]

Uh I got 83 divisions and 12 always training.

[tepid zinc]

is good

[fathom shard]

what country do i play

[pliant ginkgo]

Depends on what you want

[tepid zinc]

Lithuania is based

[fathom shard]

worse poland

[pliant ginkgo]

Also I got one question. If your industry is your power, what are you without it?

[tepid zinc]

.

[tepid zinc]

4 year plan germany

with economy of conquest

[fathom shard]

somalia?

[pliant ginkgo]

50 military factories and 82 civs by July 1st 1938. Would that be good or should I queue up a lot more?

[fathom shard]

tuvalu

nauru

kiribati

south sudan

[floral anchor]

i dont understand a thing from the tutorial but this looks fun

[fathom shard]

2 rules you should follow

1. play
2. watch tutorials

if you do these two by the time you have 1k hours on the game you should be able to do something i guess

[floral anchor]

ohh

[pliant ginkgo]

I didn’t either. I was just freeballing until i figured out the basics. Also watching YouTubers play are good

[floral anchor]

tutorial was too much for my brain, time to watch tutorials on yt now ig

[pliant ginkgo]

Honestly I didn’t even watch tutorials. I just watched people play majors like Germany and USSR and got my info from there

Also you can get some decent advice from people around here

[floral anchor]

at least i know how to make troops attack (barely)

[fathom shard]

democratic germany

with historical focus tree

peak

AND TODT

i just love this bro

[errant remnant]

Guys!

Rate the game out of ten fr
ALL allies are puppets btw

this is 1947 btw

[fathom shard]

5.5/10

is that in mp

[errant remnant]

If rage baiting is your power what are you without it

Nah single player

I suck ass

This was on normal mode

[fathom shard]

why the did the greater arabian state just form like that

[errant remnant]

Nah thats the alliance name

I showed that to show all the puppets i had

[fathom shard]

dude i thought u were playing as usa

LOL

[errant remnant]

LOL

LMAOOOOO

[fathom shard]

i didnt look at the 3rd image

[errant remnant]

Lmaooo

better or worst rating?

[fathom shard]

yeah then 7.5/10

[errant remnant]

ighttt bettt

[fathom shard]

you did this as irak?

[errant remnant]

my first time playing iraq

yea

https://tenor.com/view/idfk-gif-3761179052566277881

[fathom shard]

did you invade the uk with the navy orr

[errant remnant]

Nah

I just used inf

[fathom shard]

so you did paratroopers

[errant remnant]

and a few anti air and art

Nope

[fathom shard]

what

[errant remnant]

Also joined axis

germany finished UK

[fathom shard]

huhhh

[errant remnant]

if thats what ur askin

[fathom shard]

thats so weird

[errant remnant]

Yea

[fathom shard]

it never happens

[errant remnant]

Never seen the AI invade the UK

[storm escarp]

That's pretty cool like an 8/10

[errant remnant]

the UK navy was a mess

Ty

[fathom shard]

u got insanely lucky

[errant remnant]

It was hist too

[fathom shard]

the main problem with iraq is uk

[errant remnant]

Weird

yea i got the oil asap

then i did the monarch path

and annex syria pal and jordan

then invaded saudi

then joined axis

beat the brits

[fathom shard]

though on non hist its just easy just make new saves till uk goes communist

[errant remnant]

then took everything british in the middle east

legit this was a historical game its crazy

italy acc was competent

[fathom shard]

actually

if you can join axis

you coulld have taken

the vichy navy

[errant remnant]

I did

LMAOP

[fathom shard]

so it wouldn't be that hard

LOL exactly

[errant remnant]

After that i just attacked tf out of afirca

Due to them being released by me in WW2

easy takes tbf

they had nothing

and all the land i took in that pic

i had cores on

OP asf

[fathom shard]

i wanna try out iraq sometime

i still have to do byzantium first

[errant remnant]

somehow

I only had the second biggest OIL exports

due to frikass america

[fathom shard]

thank you france

i'm the good guy

[mortal dove]

guys whats the fastest way to get anchluss

[silk fern]

why isnt he fat

[fathom shard]

turn the 4 motorized divs into infantry bats + spawn in 6 troops

5 factories on arty rest on inf

you can get it by may 1936

[mortal dove]

Tysm

[opal nymph]

Maybe he hasn't taken all the morphine in the world yet

[north merlin]

anyone know a good cheap space marine template?

preferably quantity over quality

[opal nymph]

If you want quantity, just do 9/0 inf

Space marines are not great

Not the worst, but not good

[halcyon pasture]

Italians fighting in Vietnam with camels

[edgy wedge]

What planes are those

[light goblet]

vietnam mentioned 🇻🇳🇻🇳🔥🔥🔥 như có bác hồ trong ngày vui đại thắng 👀👀👀

[fathom shard]

democratic germany

[north merlin]

yeah but i want somethign thats tankier than norman inf but also moves fast

so what im thinking is 9 cav 1 medium tank 1 spaa and 2 artillary

is that cheap or nah?

[fathom shard]

thats horrible

gotta produce 10 different things for 1 template

[north merlin]

ok then what's a good one?

9 cav and one spaa?

[fathom shard]

just regular inf

[north merlin]

wb cavarly? it's faster

[fathom shard]

soft attack?

defense?

breakthru?

[north merlin]

oh i use them for offense

for defense i use 9 infantry

[slim nexus]

who here plays hoi3

[opal nymph]

Inf slows things down

So it won't move faster

[pliant ginkgo]

Is this Germany run? I puppeted the Dutch East Indies and annexed the Netherlands

[opal nymph]

If you want a tankier division, use special forces

[pliant ginkgo]

I plan on getting the rest of the lowlands so I can knock out France and take Yugoslavia

[north merlin]

so what if i swap it to cav?

9cav+1 medium tank

[opal nymph]

You have a crappy tank division

[north merlin]

with anti air and art as support company

[opal nymph]

If you want tanks, you might as well make a tank division

[north merlin]

oh this is my space marine, im gonna wait for my friend to sent me a tank div

[opal nymph]

36 width and powerful

[silk fern]

you have plenty of generals why are you using this guy lmao

[north merlin]

what is 36 width, can u explain?

[opal nymph]

I have used regular inf for a meme and it worked well

[opal nymph]

So the game has combat width

Larger divisions take up more width

You can only fit so many divisions in a tile

Plains have 90 base

So you can fit 3 30 width divisions perfectly

[pliant ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-dexter-morgan-idk-gif-2440520923239485215

[opal nymph]

But it is +45 per flank attack

You can go slightly over and be okay

[north merlin]

hwo do i check the combat width?

[opal nymph]

It is in the stats of a division

Like bottom left

[north merlin]

also rn i only have 24 inf divisions and the rest are all cavalry

[opal nymph]

Why cavalry

They dont get bonuses in doctrines for the most part

They might be okay in 1936, but they drop off pretty quickly

[north merlin]

they are fast and cheap

[opal nymph]

But they are inf, but weaker

[north merlin]

i needed them to take hungary and bulgaria both in 1937

[north merlin]

but yeah im planning on swithchiing them with space marines

[opal nymph]

You could have used regular inf probably

[north merlin]

kk thx

[opal nymph]

But why space marines

Have dedicated breakthrough divisions that actually pack a punch

[fair horizon]

Because people think space marines are still insanely strong for some reason

[pliant ginkgo]

Should I establish Reichskommissariat Niederlande or nah

[fair horizon]

No

[opal nymph]

30-36 width special forces or tank divisions decimate the AI

Theoretically a 36 width block of infantry could possibly do more damage than a space marine

[north merlin]

like tank divs?

space marines are op no? thats what i heard

[light goblet]

how do you island hop in the pacific 🥺

[opal nymph]

This isnt 2017

[fair horizon]

space marines arent op lmao

They're just banned in mp because people are afraid they wont be able to pierce something with like 10 armor for some reason

[opal nymph]

What next, we going back to 7/2s?

And 14/4s

[opal nymph]

Space marines when support aa exists

[north merlin]

i play multiplayer with a friend on my side so it sohouldn't rlly matter when the time is no...?

[pliant ginkgo]

Wouldn’t having AT in your divisions just kinda nullify enemy space marines?

[opal nymph]

No, 2017 is when space marines might have actually been okay

Like the game has existed since 2016

This game is old

And metas have come and gone

[fair horizon]

support AA would nullify it

Well depending on the tank

Mabye a heavy tank might be good enough

Or like armor meme

[opal nymph]

But that isnt cheap

And probably defensive in nature

[north merlin]

so what's the meta for small nations rn? 3x3 inf+tank divs?

[opal nymph]

Special forces probably

[north merlin]

like marines?

im not planning on fighting britain lol

[opal nymph]

That or mountaineers

Or rangers

[north merlin]

i'll be proud to js kill soviet union

[fair horizon]

Yeah idk why people still idolize it

[opal nymph]

You know something

You know how they have regimental battalions in new dlc

Or upcoming dlc

Give me my regimental tank company

I want to have my Shermans support my infantry

But not have a full battalion of them

[north merlin]

ok, so what if i just make infantry divisions with artillary + tank divisions, i will disband all my cavarlies

cuz i just realized that i kept on getting cavalry divisions and i ran out of generals

[light goblet]

whatever man

[north merlin]

what's a good infantry template? 7/2?

[terse skiff]

9/0

Line art sucks

If you want to argue over it first watch the video in pins of help channel

[north merlin]

for small nations

does 9/0 still apply?

[terse skiff]

For all natuons

[north merlin]

alr alr thx

for supporting company do i js do enigering and artillary?

[opal nymph]

Support AA is your friend

You will cherish it

It is your anti air and anti tank

[north merlin]

kk thx

[quasi osprey]

But what if you have a strong airforce already

[opal nymph]

It vaporizes any AI tanks that come your way

It is not as needed, but always nice

[fair horizon]

I dont even bother with shovels because they're too expensive. They can dig with their hands

[quasi osprey]

Oh ok

[light goblet]

🧐 should i island hop in the pacific or just invade mainland japan with like 5 billion divisions

[opal nymph]

AA is cheap anyways

[fair horizon]

Island hop the big islands like okinawa and taiwan

[opal nymph]

Island hop for the larp and a place to hold your troops for an operation downfall

[quasi osprey]

Depends If you only know how to paratroop land then island hops if you know how to naval invade over long distances then do it

[opal nymph]

If you hold the Philippines, taking Taiwan and Okinawa make good bases to hold troops

You theoretically could just go to the main islands from the Philippines, but it is a longer transit time for troops to reinforce the landings

And Japan has subs

[fair horizon]

Ngl kinda mad that they neutered naval invasions so hard but paradroppers dont need to worry

[light goblet]

helpful

[quasi osprey]

I once conquered japan as Congo with a few paratroopers and an infantry army

The Japanese almost never defend the small islands

[fair horizon]

Why do paratroopers get to be so good and naval invasions require like 20 hoops jumped through to get them down to reasonable times to invade?

Also how do you even do paratroopers? Ive never figured that out

[edgy wedge]

50 transport planes per division is a must

Press the parachute option with the units selected on the general orders bar (same as the one with the frontlines tools)

[fair horizon]

Yeah i could never figure out how to make them actually go though

[edgy wedge]

Click the airfield with at least 50 transport planes and then a target

You must have air superiority

[pliant kraken]

anyone want to play

[lean mica]

yes

[pliant kraken]

you hosting and do you got dlcs

[north merlin]

are u trolling...

[lean mica]

I got all dlcs yes, yes I can host

[pliant kraken]

okay

whats your steam user

[north merlin]

for infantry divisions enginnering artillary and aa is the only 3 suport companies i need right? no maintenance needed?

[fair horizon]

No i cant afford that as a minor nation

Its like 35 support equipment for shovels

[terse skiff]

Maintenance is the worst support company

They give maintenance based on your current maintenance

[fair horizon]

They can be happy they have 12 artillery

[terse skiff]

It's not a flat +10%

You research maintenance to get easy maintenance

[north merlin]

oh i have 28 mills so it should be enough

[fair horizon]

I need those for planes and amtracs and tanks

[pliant ginkgo]

Guys I broke the maginot. I just got full air superiority, a shit load of cas, and over 130 divisions to smash into it an now I’m seeing green. I’m not going around because I’m not doing a war with the brits

[north merlin]

what contry u playign?

[fair horizon]

Australia, they're kind of pathetic

[north merlin]

oh im playing romania, i think i can afford enginering

[light goblet]

is iwo jima worth island hopping 🧐

[north merlin]

what should my armored division look like?

currently im doing 6 medium tank with 5 cavalry with enginering logistics and field hospital as support companies

[pliant ginkgo]

Honestly I don’t know what happened

At least I killed France and I don’t have to fight the UK

[light goblet]

what the hell

[pliant ginkgo]

Typa shit that Danzig for Slovakia gets you

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[tepid zinc]

Average non-hist gameplay

[devout stump]

Feedbackgaming bans people from his Discord for mentioning him viewbotting RIP

[terse skiff]

always check pins in help channel

[plain temple]

Г

[storm escarp]

Best germany run I've ever had (ignore India guys)

[halcyon pasture]

300 be like

been holding here for like 2 years lmfao

[solar scroll]

i capitulated china for the first time as japan!!!

in 1943

[quasi osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-sad-spongebob-sitting-spongebob-quiet-thinking-gif-1218754722301454146

I just went from 10k manpower to 1.5 million

[lethal ether]

5.5k factories?

[quasi osprey]

[north merlin]

how does supply even work, i built 2 supply hub with railroad connecting the whole island yet the momment my troops arrive the area turns red how does this work?

how do i give them more supplies?

[restive sable]

historically it's because of Case Anton probably

[turbid thorn]

how is the terrain bad

[upper tendon]

There just too many troops and u also need convoys

[upper tendon]

It ur combat width

Only 2 of ur troops in battle while enemy has 5

[turbid thorn]

how many combat widht should i do ?

in temp

[upper tendon]

Well i got no idea because never checked u should just search for good infantry division template in google

[north merlin]

i have 141 convoys

[upper tendon]

141 is low

[north merlin]

yeah i js figured it out... i need to spread out my troops

[north merlin]

bruh how much do i need to build then?

also how much troops is good for one area?

[upper tendon]

Naval factories i forgot their name. because i never do navy

[upper tendon]

For island prob as many as there are tiles

So 4 for the island on your screenshot

[north merlin]

one division per tile?

[upper tendon]

Yeah

[north merlin]

or 4 divisions per tile

[quasi osprey]

Yeah that many troops on crete is just too much

[north merlin]

ohhh so thats why i wasn't making any progress back in africa, all my troops are in one area

[quasi osprey]

Probably also I think infrastructure increases state supply

[upper tendon]

Also i think desert tiles decrease amount of supply

[north merlin]

oh...

so how should i do things so taht i get more supply?

also i js moved all my troops back to mainland and im trying to spread them out

i have too many divisions to do 1 division per tile

so how many shoudl i do?

[upper tendon]

If u wanna defend then do garrison

[quasi osprey]

Build infrastructure it increases local supply capacity

[upper tendon]

Mainland italy should already have enough supply

[quasi osprey]

Well if there isn't too many troops then yes

[upper tendon]

Well he had 139 troops in his screenshot so it aint too much

Italy maybe has enough for like 400

[quasi osprey]

If he spreads them over all the mainland then yeah that won't cause a problem

[north merlin]

yeah i js did tha

now all of them are at like 8(%

[turbid thorn]

how to get

[north merlin]

89%

[quasi osprey]

I think its because its an urban tile or smth

[upper tendon]

Research facilities

[north merlin]

but yeah, do i rlly have to do that every single time i run low on supplies in africa?

[upper tendon]

Get more ports and supply hubs in africa

[north merlin]

build them? alr

[upper tendon]

And use like 10 to 20 divs

[north merlin]

wait what if i js build like 4-5 supply hubs and then connect them?

[upper tendon]

Not entire army

[north merlin]

why not? isn't that more powerful?

[turbid thorn]

where is it

[upper tendon]

Like 1 or 2 should be enough per line

[upper tendon]

Same place where u build factories

[north merlin]

what is per line?

[upper tendon]

It is but not enough supply

[north merlin]

oh ok

so should i let llike 20 divisions fight in africa for a bit and then swap them out for another 20?

[upper tendon]

Like yk the line where ur troops are

[north merlin]

yeah

oh ok

[upper tendon]

U dont need to swap them

They regain organization

[north merlin]

bruh then what do i do with my 200 divisions of troops

attack russia?

hail no

[upper tendon]

Germany will do it

[turbid thorn]

?

[north merlin]

my friend is playing germany, and he's chickend out

[upper tendon]

So help germany kill russia

[north merlin]

kk

[upper tendon]

Wdym by ?

[north merlin]

btw what does rails and infastrucutre do

are they like the same or what?

what are their connecitons with supply hubs?

[turbid thorn]

check my photo

[upper tendon]

Railways carry supply

[light goblet]

troops can move on railways too i think

[upper tendon]

And infastructure like improves the province to allow more building and alot of things

[quasi osprey]

Railways connect supply hubs otherwise they won't work infrastructure just increases range and supply where there is supply already

[north merlin]

so if my troops are anywere along the railway they get resupplied?

[north merlin]

oh alr

[upper tendon]

Yes thats correct one after it done u just have to wait to get it

[light goblet]

its 1947 we are stuck in a deadly meat grinder against the greater east asia co prosperity sphere 😡😡😡😡😡

[upper tendon]

Yeah and also get near the railway

[quasi osprey]

Just paratroop land on japan

[light goblet]

got as far as hokkaido then it came to a halt 🧐

[north merlin]

so railway connects supply hubs and infastructure increases supply range, and if you are in range of either of the 2 u get supplied? alr that sounds good, but how do i check if im getting supplied or where it reaches?

[quasi osprey]

More paratroop landings then

[light goblet]

now im trying to get china and the puppet warlords out first 👀🔥

[upper tendon]

If in range of 1 u get supplies but every supply hub has limit of supply it gives

[north merlin]

so for example if a supply hub says 8/14 what does it mean?

[upper tendon]

I think 8 out of 14 supply remaining so it means ur using 6 supply out of it

Also you can increase range of supply hubs by using trucks

[north merlin]

oh ok

[cedar wyvern]

Y'all talk a LOT

Damn

[north merlin]

yeah if u could js sent me a good video of some kind that would be great

it hink that way i learn better

so i could write stuff down ykyk

[upper tendon]

Just search supply tutorial for hoi4 in youtube

[light goblet]

what do you expect from a server with 130k members

[quasi osprey]

Even for me fighting in central africa is absolute torture

[north merlin]

alr alr thx dude

[light goblet]

nevermind this game is a stalemate its time to play

uhhh

what interesting nation should i play

🧐

[quasi osprey]

Belgium

[upper tendon]

Oh i forgot to say that transport planes can transport supply

[quasi osprey]

Belgium and make the European union if played correctly it is overpowered

[upper tendon]

It powerful but the problem is that it democrat

[north merlin]

ohhh i thought they were useless alr good to know that would be useful since they mvoe damn fast

[light goblet]

but its democratic 😢😢😢

wait no you meant the formable

sure

🧐

[quasi osprey]

One of the Belgian european union paths allows you to easily go communist later

[upper tendon]

Communist as european union aint even good because u dont even have to utilize the fact communists can get free weekly manpower

In my opinion communist only good if u need manpower

[quasi osprey]

But the good thing is that you can justify any time

[quasi osprey]

Yeah but for european union its either democracy or communism

[light goblet]

🧐

ok belgium it is

the fun thing is you can core

[safe wing]

By the time you form the eu tension is going to be very high

[light goblet]

literally everything

[upper tendon]

Not everything

Only spain can core everything

[light goblet]

close enough

[safe wing]

Try Democratic King Italy and form Rome and the EU

[vital cove]

its really stupid

[safe wing]

Honestly my favorite Italy path despite being a democratic one not just for the eu formable

[upper tendon]

Just why would u do that?

[vital cove]

because you can only invite non aligned or democratic nations to the eu

and not communists

even if you're communist

[safe wing]

Why not

[vital cove]

but democratic nations will immediately leave

because you're communist

[upper tendon]

It democrat so it boring

[vital cove]

the eu mechanics for Belgium and Netherlands are so stupid

its literally useless

you need to manually lower autonomy and annex everyone

[safe wing]

You still can do the war goals provided by the diplomatic branch though

[vital cove]

and half the time they just won't accept federalization

[safe wing]

And you can do a really funny trick justify on Bulgaria while still fascist

[upper tendon]

Anarchist spain is still alot better

[safe wing]

And join the axis too

[vital cove]

its really not

[safe wing]

Can they get Greece, Albania turkey, Bulgaria, Romania and Yugoslavia by 1938 though

[upper tendon]

Yes if u try enough

[safe wing]

I doubt that given that you have to rebuild Spain after the civil war plus Albania will be gone and Romania, guaranteed by France

[quasi osprey]

First invite everyone propose federalisation etc. And then go communist thats what I think is the best way

[upper tendon]

Cant u just take them before civil war?

[safe wing]

No

[upper tendon]

Why not?

Cant justify at start?

[vital cove]

you don't choose when to flip

[safe wing]

Spain can’t do shit before the civil war

[safe wing]

Spain is democratic

[vital cove]

well

[quasi osprey]

You can I think

[oak kestrel]

im not sure if it was you who played the austrian empire but seems like you cant core much?

[vital cove]

ig you can do anti communist raids

[upper tendon]

I thought it was non aligned

[vital cove]

but the focuses give you communist support and if you don't flip when its high enough you'll get a civil war

[quasi osprey]

Yeah austro hungary and germany are cores

[safe wing]

It’s democratic because it’s the second republic of Spain

[oak kestrel]

Germany? how to core germany

[safe wing]

It only becomes fascist, non aligned, or communist via the civil war

[quasi osprey]

At the end there is a focus the better german state or smth

[oak kestrel]

i was struggling with manpower till like 1941

oh okay

[upper tendon]

Oh

[safe wing]

By the time you do swap ideologies or finish the civil war it’s 1938

[upper tendon]

Aint there like second brothers war or smth if u do it as austria

[oak kestrel]

idk but doing it in myltiplayer wasnr the best idea

[quasi osprey]

There is an event when you complete that focus so you either core parts of south Germany immediately or you can core everything through decisions which cost political power

[safe wing]

Italy > Spain end of story

[oak kestrel]

oh ok

[upper tendon]

Well u could do it in 1937...

[light goblet]

nevermind monarchist brazil is cooler 🧐

[upper tendon]

But it south america...

[safe wing]

agreed

[light goblet]

true.......

[upper tendon]

And native path for chile better

[light goblet]

who the hell plays chile

[safe wing]

Monarchist Brazil better because no civil war

[upper tendon]

The ones who want to core all of america

[safe wing]

Monarchist Brazil can core all of South America

[upper tendon]

Aint it only south america

Chile can entire america

[light goblet]

doesnt it take really long to start and win all those civil wars

[upper tendon]

Well if u try u could finish them fast

[light goblet]

🤔

still

brazil gets you going faster

[upper tendon]

But brazil dont core north america...

[light goblet]

clearly the best south american nation is

haiti

[upper tendon]

It carribean

[light goblet]

i meant american

🧐

like the americas in general

[upper tendon]

Nah the island led by a child that comes after u do monarchist path as chile better

[vital cove]

it happens even if you don't click it

[quasi osprey]

Does it?

[vital cove]

quite sure yes

[quasi osprey]

Strange

[upper tendon]

What aint strange about communism?

[pallid stone]

Guys

Everyone whose real

Tag solonepsis

[quasi osprey]

There is a nice "guide " on YouTube that shows how to make a communist european union by chaotic florius

[upper tendon]

But it still strange

[quasi osprey]

Yeah but its not that hard to make

[upper tendon]

Never said it hard...

[quasi osprey]

Yeah haafr was saying its not very easy

[quasi osprey]

Just mentioned it not hard

[upper tendon]

When did he say that?

[quasi osprey]

Quite a few messages ago he was saying that you dont choose when to flip communist and the mechanics are stupid or smth🤷‍♂️

[upper tendon]

That dont mean that he said it hard

Basically just means that he dont like it

[light goblet]

ok brazil has gone too well i need something more difficult 🧐

its time to play china

[upper tendon]

Why china...

It easy

[torn agate]

Good lord this game is hella confusing

[light goblet]

no it isnt 🧐

[torn agate]

Made the mistake of starting a multiplayer game immediatly with a friend instead of looking for a tutorial

[light goblet]

it starts with miserable spirits

and a shitty army with zero equipment

all you can do is

hold the border with japan

[upper tendon]

Well it is atleast for me

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

wassup today

[light goblet]

to be fair you can rush army reforms

and just use your giant manpower to hold the Japanese off

[upper tendon]

Dont china have like manpower debuffs at start but still dont even have to care about them because of the desperate defense thing or what was it called yk what i mean

China just strong af because it has inf manpower and can get alot of factories

[light goblet]

still its like

300m mp

[upper tendon]

Yeah

Just get the achievement got tannu tuva...

Trust me

It not too easy

[upper tendon]

For*

[light goblet]

its just a meat grinder until you can push into manchukuo and korea

[upper tendon]

Forgot how to type...

[upper tendon]

Not meat grinder...

More like gun grinder

U just gotta wait till u have more guns than japan

[light goblet]

no you just drain japan of their manpower and then start pushing at mid-1938

[upper tendon]

Tbh u dont even need to get rid of their manpower because u have like 100 times more than they have

[ripe slate]

Welcome, it does need some getting used to

[torn agate]

Got a headache and gave up trying to figure out production and rubber, just discovered theres a tutorial in singleplayer so i will be doing that tommorow with some youtube videos about it

Brain hurts

[heavy vigil]

hiiii gay people

[ripe slate]

[copper cobalt]

hello

[upper tendon]

What if someone here is female...

[copper cobalt]

a leserbean

[light goblet]

who cares about resources 🧐

[upper tendon]

Ur factories

[heavy vigil]

women can be gay !

[upper tendon]

How...

They lesbian...

Not gay

[torn agate]

The game was telling me about it when i saw oudated equipment and lack of rubber for production

[copper cobalt]

They homoseshurro

[light goblet]

factories need coal only

[upper tendon]

Mils

[light goblet]

the production decrease isnt

all that significant anyway

[copper cobalt]

Build more rubber refineries or take Burma/Malaya/dutch eadt indies

[upper tendon]

It can be 100% decrease

[copper cobalt]

Yes

Occupy a high coal region and do the occupation law that gives +40% resource for that state

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[gaunt garden]

Hey guys what's the best mod for beginners except road to 56,great war redux,and kaisereich

[echo basin]

Is the hoi4 tutorial helpful?

[gaunt garden]

It's good if you want to know what's hoi4,I reccomend watching videos after tho,I'm still a begginer and that's how it worked for me

[gaunt garden]

Anyone there?

[upper tendon]

Basically all mods are good for beginners

There only a few mods that are bad for beginners

[gaunt garden]

I mean like y'know,the great war redux doesn't have so many stuff Abt it y'know,I need a mod that's not too complex,the red world I js saw and idk Abt it

[echo basin]

Hou do i hide these

[gaunt garden]

@upper tendon

[echo basin]

I see people hide there generals depending on there fronts

[gaunt garden]

Like I mean not too much content

[echo basin]

Hou do i do that

[gaunt garden]

In the great war redux not to much content is made since some parts are still beta

I need a mod with alot of content,not too complex,and good for begginers,these alt history stuff not going to well for me currently

[upper tendon]

Great war redux is bad compared to great war

[gaunt garden]

I thought great war stopped getting content

[gaunt garden]

@upper tendon Do you understand what I mean by this

[unique jackal]

anyone know any good naval templates for multiplayer

[upper tendon]

It did but redux dev just want to make it historical so it delete alot of stuff

[upper tendon]

Just try the equestria mod...

It has alot of content and good for beginners

[gaunt garden]

Wtf is this I just saw alot of cartoon characters

[upper tendon]

Dont mind about the characters...

[gaunt garden]

@upper tendon Is end of a new beggining good I love medivial stuff

[upper tendon]

Well it need updates because it lack stuff

[gaunt garden]

Is there any other medivial mod

That you reccomend

[grave sonnet]

Play the ottomans you will have a good time /j

[wide osprey]

there's a huge ass arrow near portrait bro

[upper tendon]

Nah but u should try lord of the rings mod

[gaunt garden]

I'm a Serbian I am to patriotic to do that shi,I would have to wear a blindfold while clicking it

[grave sonnet]

Vidim

[grave sonnet]

Touch grass mod

[upper tendon]

Nah play the irl mod

[quick hare]

ofc the countries i pick are always the worse ones somehow

[grave sonnet]

Ottomans in every mod seem to get crazy army debuffs

[grave sonnet]

Also Montenegro is bullying you at the start 👍🏼