hoi4-general

[safe wing]

Industrially lagging behind

[fathom shard]

france and usa should get their focus trees reworked asap but paradox is focusing on reworking minors

[winged field]

Only reason Italy was so weak in WW2 is because Mussolini was bald. Prove me wrong.

[fair horizon]

just horrible

[faint fiber]

or you could stop bitching

[fathom shard]

the only relevant french path is the napoleoniic one

and its kinda boring like just kill uk and germany and tada

[fair horizon]

like each red thing on those takes a 70 day focus to remove

[safe wing]

My planned Napoleonic path in my France mod has two sub branches

[fair horizon]

and it doesnt even get rid of all of them

[patent thistle]

nah they bankrupted their entire army because of ethiopia and spain

[fair horizon]

like im not doing 4 years of focuses to make my army even slightly do something

[fathom shard]

https://tenor.com/view/socrates-socrates-yams-socrates-yam-socrates-throwing-socrates-throwing-yams-gif-8510240763986336871

[faint fiber]

um what?

[winged field]

so pointless tbh

[fair horizon]

if i wanna play a "major" ill just play like brazil or argentina

[fathom shard]

socrates throwing ahh

https://tenor.com/view/socrates-throwing-yams-socrates-throwing-yams-socrates-shaking-gif-17399617860810432723

[faint fiber]

are you mentally ill?

[safe wing]

A aggressive emulate Napoleon I path or a diplomatic Emulate Napoleon III path @fathom shard

[fathom shard]

the one guy that believes a country cannot be an island at the same time is telling me ts

[faint fiber]

im a female

[fathom shard]

guy can be used as a general neutral term

[grizzled zenith]

True, but I actually formed the EU as Napoleon once(just defend from the Axis without joining the Allies and only do the focus that turns you non aligned after you've formed the EU)

[fathom shard]

smartass

[safe wing]

Knew that since I was 4 btw

[faint fiber]

would you stop being rude?

[patent thistle]

can you two just stop for the love of god?

[faint fiber]

what is your bloody problem

[fathom shard]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-gojo-gif-14160197954506959072

[patent thistle]

watching you two argue is pain

[fathom shard]

did the translator just randomly started spitting out british terms

[winged field]

reminds me of this 😭

[fathom shard]

it was technically in asia before

[winged field]

as in?

[patent thistle]

litterally half the world started in asia

[grizzled zenith]

Poland was in Asia too once

[winged field]

like rome?

[fathom shard]

tianjin

[prisma steppe]

how about both?

[winged field]

right

[fathom shard]

i mean the sovereign state of italy

during 1901-1947

[patent thistle]

tianjin and it tried to get a concession in china for themselfs

[fathom shard]

literally @faint fiber

[grizzled zenith]

Like, it was considered to be in Asia by some Europeans in middle ages

[faint fiber]

cut the shit

im not being rude to you so knock it off

[patent thistle]

which proves my point that italy was a major out of circumstance and not out of military might

[faint fiber]

jesus h christ

[prisma steppe]

isnt @fathom shard using ai generated slop to ragebait?

[fathom shard]

who's jesus h christ

[faint fiber]

dont talk to me prick

[grizzled zenith]

Well Italy never had a military might
North Italian kingdoms were some of the richest and most developed states of Europe tho

[fathom shard]

you unblocked me just to say that

smart decision

[winged field]

peak

[prisma steppe]

two regards fighting ass conversation

[fathom shard]

do you have a real life gif of socrates throwing ahh?

[prisma steppe]

self censoring ass

[patent thistle]

can you two just f***ing stop. its beginning to tick me off.

[oak mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/евангелион-мем-gif-1135440691538205241

[harsh nest]

how do i clear hoi4 cahce

[winged field]

spread love

[harsh nest]

cache

[oak mantle]

Ohhhh <@&846894118219022336> ssssssssss

[prisma steppe]

noooooo

they ruin the fun

[faint fiber]

leave me alone already

[patent thistle]

nah they stopped me from finally crashing out.

[faint fiber]

stop harassing me

[winged field]

bro summoned avengers

[prisma steppe]

mai individual in christ, just ignore him or leave this channel

[hollow drum]

all i do is clash clash clash no matter what

[oak mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/caseoh-case-oh-stare-side-eye-sigh-gif-11995683057396026392

[faint fiber]

jesus christ its like dealing with a teenager

[faint fiber]

stay out of this

[oak mantle]

dont deal with em and ignore them then

u getting paid to respond to him or smth?

[prisma steppe]

somehow i am starting to understand the sock fella

[faint fiber]

sock fella?

[patent thistle]

at some point just block him and dont answer to him

[young lake]

I SWEAR BRO WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[prisma steppe]

exactly

its not that hard

[uncut pollen]

Lets pls not and r3 and r10 in #server-rules

[prisma steppe]

i didnt say it tho

[young lake]

WHAT DID I DO BRO 😭

THEY ALL DECLARED ON MEEEE

💔 💔

[oak mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-i-guess-bro-bro-i-guess-ok-man-gif-6278747235421617446

[heavy vigil]

i looked away for a bit what happened

[winged field]

just accept it

[faint fiber]

thank you

[young lake]

I win

Fr

[uncut pollen]

Alot

[heavy vigil]

rule 10 is bad, just give them a warning :>

[patent thistle]

i would also declear on a nation which is trying to rebirth an ancient empire

[prisma steppe]

whyyyy

[heavy vigil]

or mute

[young lake]

Shh

Italy wins trust

[heavy vigil]

lets not post this guy.

[young lake]

They have no guns

[grizzled zenith]

Ok

[oak mantle]

holy cencorship

[young lake]

They have been fighting in Siberia for like 10 years

[heavy vigil]

ty :))

[young lake]

Russia just free land

[heavy vigil]

i 🩷 censorship

[prisma steppe]

i cant use the word for a description as it would be fitting yet they can ragebait ?

[faint fiber]

deal with it, its their server they can do whatever they want

[oak mantle]

thats fairly obvious

[patent thistle]

there is acceptable 1984, and there is unacceptable 1984

[faint fiber]

does mongolia have claims on these lands?

[winged field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/1984-movie-1

[grizzled zenith]

Literally 1984

[fathom shard]

https://tenor.com/view/son-higuruma-crying-oh-my-god-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-10789270874520579485

[oak mantle]

idek who he posted

[woven ore]

i took over the whole world as communist british raj

[fair horizon]

wat dis

[uncut pollen]

We are always watching

[patent thistle]

not that hard

[faint fiber]

errors

[heavy vigil]

👁️ 👁️

[winged field]

only thing that scares me more than blue people is green people

[young lake]

My W generals cook trust trust

[fair horizon]

are you doing ww1 tactics

[oak mantle]

chinese generals better in 1936 btw

[young lake]

Ive been fighting since like 1939

[prisma steppe]

that harsh leader trait tho, ahh they not cookin

[grizzled zenith]

My Mongolian generals after conquering the world were worse tbh

[young lake]

Trust they cook

[fair horizon]

is that a yes?

[young lake]

Yh

xd

[faint fiber]

I shall return soon

[young lake]

I mean Ive only took like 2M casualties all together

[prisma steppe]

for a general to cook he mus thave lvl 20 logi and nothing else

[prisma steppe]

wait a minute

why tf is there the eaw conscription icon?

[faint fiber]

yes I know

[grizzled zenith]

But then he can't cook divisions in Siberia

[fair horizon]

a whole 10 steps of land, very nice

[faint fiber]

mods

[uncut pollen]

Ping them for a special price

[prisma steppe]

i know but whyy

[young lake]

"10 steps of land"

[fair horizon]

why so many div

[young lake]

BRO

[fair horizon]

ok and

[grizzled zenith]

I had 18 million casualties as Mongolia

[patent mesa]

hello

[grizzled zenith]

||The allies had like 68 million||

[young lake]

6.03 Million of those casualties aint mine 😭

[grizzled zenith]

Lmao

Are they South American?

[prisma steppe]

holy shit he epstinifiled his message

[grizzled zenith]

||Yes.||

[young lake]

BROO 😭

WAIT USSR HAS THE +10% SURRENDER LIMIT

FUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[grizzled zenith]

Just a casual 700 divisions margin

[prisma steppe]

why is spain always so useless

[grizzled zenith]

Oh God

[umbral agate]

is dino or balbo better?

[fathom shard]

because it has horrible modifiers

[young lake]

Im putting 120 divs on the front and they can deal with it I cant lie.

[fathom shard]

like the recovering from civil war one that just lowkey nerfs you until 1944

[grizzled zenith]

Nah bro I had an Ethiopia game where I joined Axis and Spain conquered Ireland and Iceland while Hitler couldn't push past the Carpathians

[prisma steppe]

nah they get lots of trade cause of tung tung tungsten yet they cant build a fucing eco

[steel zephyr]

W french breakthrough, already encircled a good few of their divs

[fair horizon]

GO CARLISTS

[steel zephyr]

larp

[grizzled zenith]

That's what a few years of civil war does to a man

[fathom shard]

are the names modified by a mod

[prisma steppe]

meanwhile the russkies after suffering 2 civil wars in 2 decades and losing millions still not being useless

[fathom shard]

they don't get debuffs like spain

[grizzled zenith]

True

[fathom shard]

and the spanish ai is basically designed to just isolate

[prisma steppe]

they lose ugrain and most of non ethnic russkie territiories no? that would be a pretty big malus to me

[young lake]

I feel like napoleon I cant lie.

[fair horizon]

yes rt56

[grizzled zenith]

Spanish content is focused on its civil war and recovery while all the other civil wars are just a part of a political path

[grizzled zenith]

They're the biggest country of the world even after that, so proportionally they don't lose that much

[prisma steppe]

isnt there also paraguoy too?

[grizzled zenith]

Idk

[fathom shard]

spain is probably one of the most fun countries to play as

[prisma steppe]

and if jhapan goes into its cancerous civil war it is still pretty strong no?

[grizzled zenith]

Ehh the civil war can be annoying

Just too much debuffs

But after that it's quite fun

[fathom shard]

the civil war isn't that annoying tbf

if you do it enough times it's just muscle memory

[grizzled zenith]

Most of hoi4 is tbh

[young lake]

I HATE THE SPANISH BRO

[fathom shard]

minor power dying to a major

surprising

[grizzled zenith]

You haven't seen the Italians then
||Because you're playing as Italy||

[prisma steppe]

sock go back under the bed and think over thine sins of posting ai-slop

[young lake]

Its like 10 divs...

[fathom shard]

20 unequiped divs with shit templates vs 10 divs with good equipment and decent templates

[young lake]

I blame my allies.

[grizzled zenith]

Same lol

[prisma steppe]

but 1000 2 widths would win against 50 40w

[grizzled zenith]

Unless I don't have allies

Then I just know I suck

[woven ore]

spain vvon

TRQE PATRQT

[prisma steppe]

i believe in 2 width supremacy

[grizzled zenith]

I doubt that

[woven ore]

PATRIQT

[grizzled zenith]

Reinforce meme exists yk

[grizzled zenith]

Also the supply for 1000 2 widths is hard to organise

[young lake]

Ok but mine are actually just doing nothing but taking casualties 😭

[prisma steppe]

no

[grizzled zenith]

Bro

[prisma steppe]

did once a game against two sweaties in mp with only using 1.4 width inf as the soviets against germany and italy

[woven ore]

what happened to the tfr discord

[prisma steppe]

no matter the cas and stats-alter they couldnt do shit

[fathom shard]

is there even any advantage going fascist as usa

[prisma steppe]

thou can larp as modern us

[steel zephyr]

maginot...

[grizzled zenith]

How didn't you get reinforce memes to death

[prisma steppe]

so the divs perish just as more join the battle

[grizzled zenith]

Just walk around the Maginot

[prisma steppe]

was cancer to reinforce

[steel zephyr]

already breached it

[prisma steppe]

needed like 5k divs in training to maintain the frontline

[grizzled zenith]

Kinda walked around it just by taking 1 tile of it

[fathom shard]

eyes on poland bro

[steel zephyr]

🤤

[steel zephyr]

yeah, poland will come next ddont you worry

just fighting frrance now

[prisma steppe]

wo anschluss?!

[young lake]

Devotion might come in clutch

[steel zephyr]

austria made a function before i could anschluss

i did sudetenland demand, czechia refused so i declared and france guarenteed

thats how i got into my current situation

[prisma steppe]

idk just idk bomb iraq as a solution?

[young lake]

I hate that

😭

[young lake]

^^^^^^^^

[fair horizon]

french deserve it

[steel zephyr]

focusing on neutralising the maginot though itd probably be a better idea to rush paris

[young lake]

Genuinely what is what........

[prisma steppe]

just noticed why arent thee using those combined front lines?

[loud stream]

Somebody sheep mod

[fathom shard]

have you perhaps ever played as fascist uk

[young lake]

Once

When I first started

[steel zephyr]

yeah ok forget about the maginot, straight to paris we go

[fathom shard]

you get that amount of diivisions by 1938

[fair horizon]

lets me be free, hates my guts for it

[prisma steppe]

the kmt general (only using 1.4 inf) doesnt concern himself with sheeps mod

[fair horizon]

10/10

[prisma steppe]

i remember using expanded tank designer in combination with better mio mod to create heavy tanks with 0.11 production cost

[steel zephyr]

france so chopped bruh

[prisma steppe]

then using them as inf replacement

[young lake]

I gotta save these guys bro

They have been in Africa for like 4 years

Just holding a line

[young lake]

Then I focus on Russia and they get cooked

[fair horizon]

save them boys

[young lake]

Saving private Ryan ahh

[steel zephyr]

neat

[young lake]

WE MADE IT

Only lost 4 divs

😭

5 divs (One just died to force attack 😭)

[fair horizon]

boys? saved

[young lake]

If they dont die over the sea lmao

HOLY CAS 😭

[patent thistle]

i just grab what i can core

and dismantle the rest

[fathom shard]

what mod is that

[patent thistle]

r56 danzig

[faint fiber]

why not?

how many people should I add to each region? what is realistic? for Mongolia

[heavy vigil]

they had a lot of sheep because it was profitable in the ussr market

[woven gate]

what'd we make

[young lake]

I freed my 10 encircled divs

[heavy vigil]

wait not sheep

[young lake]

With no outside help

[heavy vigil]

goats

sorry

[young lake]

Cus the British suck

[heavy vigil]

they had goats

[faint fiber]

the communists get kicked out

[heavy vigil]

they had sheep first but then goats

and then the goats ruined a lot of the grass

expanding the gobi desert

[woven gate]

i'm on call with a british friend rn

[heavy vigil]

because goats eat grass roots

[young lake]

Im British xd

[fathom shard]

https://giphy.com/gifs/impostor-bro-thinks-hes-on-the-team-who-invited-my-man-blud-uC2GioVe4nyjE47wMJ

[woven gate]

i told him that you said the british suck and he said "yes we can"

[woeful knoll]

British worst country

lmao

imagine losing ur empire in 10 years

[young lake]

Britain*

British aint a country 😭

[woeful knoll]

Bro lost the colonies just to be colonized

[woven gate]

📍pakistan

[fathom shard]

scotland's independence is ticking

[faint fiber]

maybe

[woeful knoll]

is the scotland independence thing real

[thin pelican]

How is the navy ai in the new update?

[woven gate]

bri'ish

[woeful knoll]

or just 10 ppl on twitter

[fathom shard]

and if scotland declares its independence guess who will most likely be ceded to ireland

[woeful knoll]

better but the new beta is ship designs not ai

[fathom shard]

there was a vote for it in the past

it was close

[woeful knoll]

realisticly how would that work

kier starmer just gets an email

[fathom shard]

55% no 45% yes

[thin pelican]

Gotcha okay. Is it challenging with the last update?

[young lake]

Could realistically happen

[woeful knoll]

scotyland declared independence

how would they allow that

[woeful knoll]

i hope

[thin pelican]

I steamrolled USA in my last Japan run when NCNS came out

[fathom shard]

because uk is democratic

and scotland > U.K obviouslly

[woven gate]

send my buddy to war

[fathom shard]

it wouldn't be aan independence war

[woeful knoll]

well imagine if texas declared independence via refferendem in the us

[young lake]

I love the Uk, I hate the government.

😭

[woeful knoll]

would they just allow that because their democratic

[woven gate]

totally how i feel about the US too

[young lake]

Texas is a state. Scotland is a nation. The Uk is just a union

America isnt rlly a union anymore

[woeful knoll]

hmm makes sense

[young lake]

If enough people want Scottish independence then they could get it. Like how in I think 2014 they got the vote to decide and they voted to stay

[woeful knoll]

if the vote happened now do u think it would pass?

[woven gate]

not really

[young lake]

Wdym

Oh

I read it wrong

[fathom shard]

the 10% difference were people of english ancestry living in scotland

scotland was stolen of its independence

[young lake]

Its 50/50 rlly, if the next government doesnt fix the country then they would likely seek independence (I believe they would anyway)

[young lake]

Scottish independence wasnt stolen?

They merged

[wide osprey]

can you guys keep these talks that are not actually related to the game on other channels like #off-topic please

[uncut pollen]

Lets not post this and no nazi flags/imagery please and please read the #server-rules

[young lake]

Lmao

[woven ore]

mexicans cant be nazis DOE

[young lake]

.... Thats just not how it works

[woeful knoll]

mexicans are indo aryan

[fathom shard]

if the vote would happen again scotland would almost certainly win, especially since brexit happend

[woeful knoll]

native mexicians race mix with spanish the natives are from siberia which are from himalayas

who were the ancient agarthan-aryans

[young lake]

Idk its still very possible for them to stay

[languid crypt]

Playing historical btw; will the Allies still eventually win?

[woeful knoll]

so yes they can be nazis

[wide osprey]

what's so funny for ya

[young lake]

Nvm 😭

[fathom shard]

it would also be disastrous as scotland would instantly join EU

[woeful knoll]

theres 0 way for the allies to lose first off

and yea i think its possibnle for them to win

[woeful knoll]

check the navy states of japan

see if its still there

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-gif-5016382901192532959

[fathom shard]

62% of scots voted to stay in EU in the 2016 brexit referendum, they are very pro-EU

[young lake]

Bro leaving the EU was a big mistake, most English people know that

Everything has stagnated or regressed since

[fair horizon]

alright so i have an issue

[woeful knoll]

Just realized europe is all a puppet of the US

without the us they would die

to russia

instantly

[fair horizon]

i require jordan but i cannot declare on them and defend my borders

[fathom shard]

yes only after it happend though, during the referendum the english voted 54% yes

the brexit referendum definitively shows what countries of the U.K would be favored to declare their independence if they get the right opportunity to

[steel zephyr]

sweden jumpscare...

[fathom shard]

the british mainly voted to leave because they wanted more control/sovereignty, but that factor literally decreased after brexit, it only really increased culturally, practically their sovereignty was reduced

aswell as economic independence but we all know that went wrong aswell

[fair horizon]

terrible focus tree

cant get jordan because britian said no because i leave the allies and it makes me a faction traitor

cant occupy the land that fance gets to do a focus

nope have to finish ww2 to continue

which btw ISNT EVEN A CORE

so i have to take jordan from the allies after (AND WIN THE WAR) to have my only extra cores

0/10 tree

which the cores add up to less than 10 million manpower

[uncut pollen]

no nazi flags/imagery/people please.

[fathom shard]

just ban those nazis bro

[woven gate]

sweden sweep

[fathom shard]

reminds me of a war

[steel zephyr]

sweden jump

[heavy vigil]

creature

[fathom shard]

what even happend there

[steel zephyr]

declared war on belgium, sweden guaranteed belgium

i had france puppeted after winning the war, italy declared war on axis yugo

[safe wing]

1 no 2 Russia is a paper tiger as seen in the Russo Japanese war and winter war and the ongoing war I can’t mention

[steel zephyr]

i declared war onpoland, danubian federation (lead by austria) got called in

capitulated austria and puppeted romania, bulgaria, hungary and annexed austria

now clearing up sweden and italy in gaul

[queen skiff]

اكو احد يلعب hoi4 ؟

[fair horizon]

chat i have an illegal cruiser

it has no fire control

[fathom shard]

just use the default ships bro

[fair horizon]

bud i got that thing for free from a focus in rt56

[fathom shard]

researching navy in singleplayer should be illegal im ngl

[fair horizon]

mods socrates is being mean to me

saying mean thing about navy

[fathom shard]

if the navy is your power then what are you without it?

[fair horizon]

an island nation hiding behind naval forts

[steel zephyr]

comeback

[fathom shard]

if the naval forts are your power then what are you without them?

[fair horizon]

an island nation

[fathom shard]

if sea surrounding your country is your power then what are you without it?

[fair horizon]

dang i guess i didnt think of it like that 😭

[tiny iris]

Shut up or I call the mods on you for corrupting the youth.

[fathom shard]

https://tenor.com/view/socrates-socrates-domain-expansion-domain-expansion-domain-expansion-gif-1437001399510962744

[fair horizon]

so if you dont win the rng your tree is kaput

sorry you lost a roll and therefore jordan isnt your puppet and now you cant core your territory

[obsidian sigil]

I am usa in this

[patent thistle]

this is why you dont go commie

unless the game forces your hand

[fair horizon]

its not even commie

its just a massive oversight

rt56 has a lot of issues like that

[patent thistle]

true but then a little reminder many rt56 trees are old as hell

[south mountain]

And RT56 is worse when wanting for every country to follow their historical focus tree

[ancient fern]

God damn

[south mountain]

When will FRANCE, UK AND USA get a UPDATE IN THIS GAME?

They updated everything except these 3

[heavy vigil]

is it not peak content tho

be real

besides rng roll and stuff

[ancient fern]

This is base game lol, each day takes 3 seconds to do on max speed lol

[south mountain]

The AI having 500 troops per tile:

[fair horizon]

its dumb that i specifically have to have jordan as a puppet. control the land? nope, has to be a puppet

[south mountain]

You could release it as a puppet

[ancient fern]

Actually, they only have like 1k troops. Playing as East Indian Company so most countries look like this

[heavy vigil]

can you not releaae it as puppet

[fair horizon]

if i didnt have to take it from the allies? sure

[turbid thorn]

hw to get armore su truck

support

[south mountain]

Do you play victoria 3?

[heavy vigil]

sometimes!

[steel zephyr]

now a german italy and albania too

[south mountain]

Also, have you played hoi3?

[heavy vigil]

uhh no, i didnt even have a pc until well after hoi4 was out

[woeful knoll]

is this a actual realistic japanese carrier?

[heavy vigil]

wbu?

[fair horizon]

the model? yes

[south mountain]

Never played hoi3.

[woeful knoll]

thx

[south mountain]

Hoi3 seems to be interesting

Also what QOL mods do you use?

[heavy vigil]

do you want a whole list?

of mods i consider to be like, fine for vanilla without greatly upsetting game balance

[south mountain]

I use the FPS map(it looks better imo), colored buttons, modifier icons and strategic view

[south mountain]

Yes

[heavy vigil]

i hope this gets updated

ignore the number because most are like cosmetic or arent even on

[loud stream]

Somebody who wants to play sheep mod?

[deft tangle]

the numbers are crazy

[woeful knoll]

bro

this system sucks

why tf cant my ships refuel in my 100 naval bases

[bright stump]

what is nakama

[fair horizon]

because they dont have naval supply hubs?

[woeful knoll]

oh

[fair horizon]

or do you mean why they havent changed which base they're operating out of?

[south mountain]

Hope they will update France.

[woeful knoll]

nah ur right

[heavy vigil]

mostly these

most of them dont hit the 1mb benchmark lol

[heavy vigil]

@ripe slate you can come rate my quality of life/game balance mod list (excluding cosmetic/radio mods tho)

[south mountain]

What is the "non historical made playable" do?

[heavy vigil]

changes focus trees and ai behaviour slightly

its not vanilla compatible entirely

[woeful knoll]

Nah cuz the naval range is broken cuz how come my fleet in taiwan and tokyo have the same range

[south mountain]

Thank you 🙏

[heavy vigil]

do you want an anti quality of life mod

[fair horizon]

Cause they probably have old destroyers in them? Also you havent changed the naval base they're operating in

[south mountain]

Which one?

[heavy vigil]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3148225122

[fair horizon]

See that part at the top that says where they're operating? Next to the cog? Click the cog or change the base

[woeful knoll]

my pacific fleet has early destroyers my taiwan one doesnt but they still have same range also they in taiwan and tokyyo

[south mountain]

Also, is flexible cohesion somewhat good?

For some reason it is the default now

[fair horizon]

Ok so you see where the south seas fleet says takao?

[woeful knoll]

yea

[heavy vigil]

i never change cohesion unless i need to micro

[fair horizon]

Thats where its operating from

[south mountain]

I remember the default being balanced cohesion.

[fair horizon]

You need to change that to move where its naval range is

[heavy vigil]

just shift click FM frontline so troops dont go to silly places

[woeful knoll]

i did

[fair horizon]

Click the cog

[woeful knoll]

the taiwan fleet is operatio nfrom taiwan

[fair horizon]

give the fleet an order

[fair horizon]

probably the range of your screens bogging down the rest of the fleet

[south mountain]

On patrol??

[woeful knoll]

?

[fair horizon]

Take the screens off and look at the range after

[deft tangle]

When you're at war with every oil-producing nation in the whole world

[woeful knoll]

only changed by 2 tiles

[heavy vigil]

invade venezuela

you have nearby islands

then go for the US after

if you cant, sucks

azerbaijan might be doable

[deft tangle]

Venezuela is in the US's faction

[heavy vigil]

yeah so what

[deft tangle]

I ain't confident enough to do that lol

[steel zephyr]

sweden about to be slimed for jumping me

[fair horizon]

heavy cruisers have the same range as light cruisers

[heavy vigil]

theyre weak

the US is also not that strong in game

but mostly if you need fuel thats the easiest to invade

[deft tangle]

Holy, you got a damn point

[heavy vigil]

or like dutch east indies maybe

[woeful knoll]

taked them off it only changed by 1 time again

[heavy vigil]

you got this

[fair horizon]

Either way fwsv you dont have enough range for that

[deft tangle]

I'll try

[fair horizon]

Not like you need your ships to operate that far out anyways

[dusky burrow]

unfortunate that we can't change the range of the ships

[heavy vigil]

but they did in the beta

[dusky burrow]

except with mio policies

[heavy vigil]

also you can for cruiser subs

[dusky burrow]

wait new beta?

[dusky burrow]

yeah

[woeful knoll]

hey how come my fleet in tokyo and taiwan have essentially the same range

[fair horizon]

Underway replenishment:

[dusky burrow]

also that, but that's expensive

in terms of research time

[fair horizon]

Because the ships have a set range and it averages them

[woeful knoll]

bruhh

[dusky burrow]

i thought it was always the minimum

[fair horizon]

Destroyers and crusiers dont travel as far as battleships and carriers

[fair horizon]

Your tokyo fleet probably has more battleships

[viscid mason]

Oh hello, Liv and casey

[heavy vigil]

short breakdown of open beta info liv

[woeful knoll]

woah woah woah

does it average range out

or go by smallest is range

[heavy vigil]

this

[fair horizon]

Average for the ships in a task force

[heavy vigil]

nah

[woeful knoll]

2 different answers?

[heavy vigil]

your range gets nuked by old ships

[woeful knoll]

Vendrip is right

[heavy vigil]

im dumb

[woeful knoll]

look

i understand it now

[fair horizon]

A lot of people would benefit from understanding that 😔

Never wrong even once

[heavy vigil]

you said the levant content in road was BAD...

[fair horizon]

i usually go for higher tier battleships as they extend range a lot

[fair horizon]

IT IS

[south mountain]

Ngl the new navy map is worse than the old one considering the colours.

[timber laurel]

is ts tuff for 1948?

[fair horizon]

I cant core any of my territory because i failed the rng roll for jordan puppet

[heavy vigil]

SUFFERING BUILDS CHARACTER

[south mountain]

The old map was more visible when you had the advantage

[fair horizon]

IVE SUFFERED ENOUGH WITHOUT A PLANE MIO

im doing aa tank australia now

Nobody can stop me

[heavy vigil]

the crashout

can you play a nation and lose all core territory

[south mountain]

Which is the easiest and the hardest mod for hoi4?

[heavy vigil]

for ai?

[south mountain]

I mean

[heavy vigil]

CA mod is hard

[south mountain]

Mods that change something

[heavy vigil]

like overhaul non overhaul

[south mountain]

Like RT 56 Kaiserreich

[fair horizon]

I actually wanted to play an exile nation

[south mountain]

And BICE.

[heavy vigil]

hmm

maybe you can do it in vanilla

[south mountain]

Free France

[timber laurel]

darkest hour prob

[heavy vigil]

if you somehow lose all core land as nl and annex DEI

most realistic way to do it i think

or just use toolpack to annex everything away as like ger

[fair horizon]

I think my burgundy one would work for it but idk

[heavy vigil]

and live elsewhere

hi marrin

[south mountain]

Is playing as Free France fun?

[split bane]

No...

[turbid thorn]

how to move

tower to united

[heavy vigil]

its uh

its something

its not very good

[hollow drum]

all i do is clash clash clash no matter what

[split bane]

It exists

[heavy vigil]

i think dutch is better as exile path

or like belgium or something

[split bane]

I think most paths are better than the Free France tree
Even NZ is better

[timber laurel]

hey guys

i have a problem

[heavy vigil]

NZ is the GOAT

so ofc its better

[turbid thorn]

how to move towers trough water

[south mountain]

France focus tree is the same one since the beginning of hoi4

[timber laurel]

i won ww2 and instead of puppeting everyone i changed their ideology

[heavy vigil]

its not

[timber laurel]

so now i have a huge problem because everyone is declaring war on eachother

[split bane]

Move what through water

[heavy vigil]

but its been the same for a while

[timber laurel]

how do i do my peacekeeping mission as the balkan pact

[south mountain]

They need to give some attention to France, UK and USA and update them.

[turbid thorn]

my infantry

[south mountain]

True

[deft tangle]

Build a land bridge and move them

That's what alexander did to bring his towers to besiege an island fort

[split bane]

Ah, take them to a port, click another port
If you have enough convoys they'll move to the second port you clicked on

[turbid thorn]

how to take to the enemy

[split bane]

Like a naval invasion? That's a bit tricker to explain, you might want to watch a video about that

[turbid thorn]

how i do support truck

[split bane]

Ok make sure your making trucks first of all, then when you click on your army there's a horse button next to your general
Click that and you'll use more trucks but get more supply
At least that's what I think you mean

[weak rivet]

Historical

[woeful knoll]

bro china surrender limit is way to high

theres no reason why they shouldnt surrender when i take chonquing

espescially because they are impossible to defeat after mid 38

[dawn marlin]

we are japan gaming boys

[hollow yacht]

Do three collabs

Its better strat

[patent thistle]

industry is absolutely booming

[hollow yacht]

Bhutan miracle economy

[patent thistle]

mandate of palestine but yeh

[hollow yacht]

You really hate yourself

Are you isrealian/palestianin or

[patent thistle]

yes

[hollow yacht]

Just watn see the world burn

[patent thistle]

german and i am sick of the isreal/palestine shit happening

[hollow yacht]

I think everyone is

[hollow drum]

all i do is clash clash clash no matter what

[steel zephyr]

yoo what china doing to my turkey

[split bane]

-Japanese generals complaining to the government sometime in 1940

[patent thistle]

free ships? yes please

[little ocean]

I'm having a problem with the modern era mode; I can enter but it won't let me in.?

[heavy vigil]

lets not do that

[little ocean]

??

[patent thistle]

OH DAM- SYRIA IS SPEEDRUNNING FRANCE-

[little ocean]

I want a solution guys

[patent thistle]

frick stability i dont have any anyways

[obsidian sigil]

population doesnt really matter. thats like 5k manpower on extensive

[patent thistle]

france got annaliated-

[patent thistle]

the other thing just doesnt do anything

[obsidian sigil]

you dont lose stability

if you have lots of territory elsewhere

its better to have that tiny bit of stability

[patent thistle]

whats stability?

[obsidian sigil]

population*

what the hell is that country

israelestine

palesreal

[patent thistle]

do i have to explain more?

[obsidian sigil]

is that vanilla

i have never even heard of it

[patent thistle]

rt56

[obsidian sigil]

ok

[heavy vigil]

no

[patent thistle]

first mandate of palestine now a try to create a union there

[heavy vigil]

road has good levant content

[patent thistle]

i personally like the demo content a bit more then the commie honestly

[heavy vigil]

i dont like tge mod but the levant content is like, higher standard than any other ww2 mods

[patent thistle]

@heavy vigil syria fricking speedrunned fr*nce here-

[heavy vigil]

i saw

good for them

[patent thistle]

i mean makes a march into the north easier 🤷‍♂️

[whole canopy]

I’m tryna land paratroopers in britan, lost some to trying invade the ports with em. Should I send them behind the ports instead?

[patent thistle]

levante carrier is so real

[fair horizon]

Do them with your naval invasions

[fair horizon]

Syria lost in mine because they didnt take the single tile france owned, the port

[patent thistle]

mine straight up speedrunned the lebanon port cutting off any chance for france to return-

[fair horizon]

Lucky

Are you going commie or nah?

[whole canopy]

I can NOT win against the British navy 😭

[fair horizon]

Smh

[whole canopy]

Dude I suck at navy

Lmao

And all my Air Force production is fighters

[patent thistle]

STABILITY

[hollow drum]

all i do is clash clash clash no matter what

[patent thistle]

demo cause i hate communism with a passion, also the commie path feels a little weaker

danzig was the only state i did commie with due to basically 0 manpower

[fair horizon]

Thats why i was going commie on it

Like you get about the same manpower as australia i think if you got your cores as commie

[patent thistle]

but then i forgot that rt56 has this

[fair horizon]

But yeah that jordan thing completely screwed it for me

[patent thistle]

OH COME ON TURKEY

FINE

[dawn zephyr]

Charlie Charlie Kirky

[patent thistle]

great my light cruiser i have is straight up illegal

[steel zephyr]

sacrificing supply for achievement

[ripe slate]

huge

[faint fiber]

what?

[fair horizon]

I already said that

[ripe slate]

Both the focus tree size and the effect xD
Sarcastic, ofc

[fair horizon]

MARJIN FIX THE COMMIE LEVANT TREE PLS

[ripe slate]

Whats wrong with it

[fair horizon]

Let me bypass the focus when jordan rng fails

[patent thistle]

if they refuse you are straight up locked out of this

[ripe slate]

🤷‍♂️

[fair horizon]

And the one under the syria war goal

And the ability to gain your cores

[steel zephyr]

126k causalties from the soviets

[patent thistle]

this one

[fair horizon]

Big lame

[heavy vigil]

ok

second good thing about road

you can split up germany and make it irrelevant

[patent thistle]

HEY

[heavy vigil]

im also happy you can do it to the US

but theyre usually not relevant so idc

[patent thistle]

Do it to the UK

[heavy vigil]

whats the point in that

i dont mind the uk being there

[patent thistle]

them being annoying bastards

garantie here, garantie there

[heavy vigil]

thats fine

[fair horizon]

Yeah they're dirty colonizers and its definitely not because id like to avoid spending 300pp on freeing myself

Alaska and puerto rico

[safe wing]

USA doesn’t have any releasable other than Hawaii in vanilla

[fair horizon]

I saw that big al

[safe wing]

Alaska isn’t ? I thought

[fair horizon]

Its not a core

[safe wing]

I forgot Puerto Rico though

[patent thistle]

ye but he meant releasables

[restive sable]

it's an occupied state on start

or colony

i forgot

[patent thistle]

alaska doesnt exist

[split bane]

They need to add New England and Texas

And maybe a couple more

[safe wing]

Agreed

[restive sable]

i'd argue california should be a releaseable too

[patent thistle]

cali

[split bane]

And more states to New England

[safe wing]

Also agreed

[fair horizon]

True alaska is government propaganda to encourage people to buy more bread

[heavy vigil]

ok

[safe wing]

As a Vermont resident agreed

[heavy vigil]

i play on english and the game instantly crashes

god forbid i try road

[patent thistle]

i want a panama channel releasable fr fr

[heavy vigil]

while playing**

[fair horizon]

Thats just called panama

[safe wing]

It’s a core of Panama though

[restive sable]

make it a playable tag on start and give the panama canal the largest focus tree in game

[heavy vigil]

i gave it my all

[patent thistle]

nah just a releasable fr

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-sopranos-tony-soprano-what-are-you-gonna-do-mafia-mob-gif-16012659

[safe wing]

Should the isle of Mann and Cornith be uk releasables?

[green magnet]

im about to have the craziest playthrough in my life

[restive sable]

isle of mann maybe along with cornwall

ykw screw it make every single tile in the uk a releaseable

[safe wing]

I meant Cornwall yes

[fair horizon]

I think they need to expand ship types like how flame tanks and stuff exist

Like that dropdown menu

[green magnet]

they should make US states releasables

[safe wing]

Flame destroyers as the Byzantine empire though

[green magnet]

long live New jersey

[fair horizon]

You're lucky you have an Iowa named after your state, should have been another midwest state

[green magnet]

I've always wanted to visit it

[inland falcon]

EAW icons?

[faint fiber]

yes

the default ones are boring

[green magnet]

and it's also the most decorated battleship 🔥

[inland falcon]

valid, they are quite pretty

EAW GFX artists go crazy

[knotty vortex]

does cuba have a focus tree?

[faint fiber]

not that I know of

[knotty vortex]

damn

would’ve been kinda fun

[steel zephyr]

hmm

[knotty vortex]

early cuban missile crisis

[faint fiber]

idk much about Cuba so I cant make it

[heavy vigil]

its hopeless

[knotty vortex]

doesn’t have to be historical

just something fun

[coarse hull]

together, we are the hearts of iron 4

[faint fiber]

that would be unlikely since the soviets didnt have missiles in WW2, at least not until way later in the war

[knotty vortex]

was eastern europe soviet controlled?

[faint fiber]

and the rockets were nothing compared to what was used in the 60s

[inland falcon]

we carry the flame?

[knotty vortex]

because one of my friends sent me a photo from berlin and there’s a communist statue with russian writing on it

[safe wing]

I could see that only with pro USSR Cuba

[knotty vortex]

it’s not supposed to be historical, just maybe some fun like cuba joins the comintern

[heavy vigil]

the polish captured a v2 rocket though, and brought it to the uk

so the polish had missiles technically

[faint fiber]

what year

[heavy vigil]

uhh like 43? 44?

i kinda forgot

[faint fiber]

and why would Cuba even get involved in the war?

[heavy vigil]

wdym cuba

idk i just wanted to share a fun fact

[safe wing]

Non USSR aligned communist Cuba would be basically be take over the Spanish America and the Caribbean via diplomacy and or war

Non axis Fascist Cuba meanwhile would be similar

[knotty vortex]

it’s just fun

[coarse hull]

[safe wing]

Both communist and fascist Cuba should have the option to support either faction in the Spanish civil war @knotty vortex

[knotty vortex]

that’s actually cool i didn’t know this

also was the iron curtain like

a physical wall

or just a metaphorical one

apart from the berlin wall

[coarse hull]

both

[inland falcon]

how old are you

[heavy vigil]

not really, or youd see a lot more wall remnants

[knotty vortex]

17

[knotty vortex]

so was it just primarily in germany

[safe wing]

@heavy vigil how vanilla does this sound

[inland falcon]

odd

[heavy vigil]

idk

[safe wing]

Cuba rework idea

[heavy vigil]

vanilla would let cuba core spain, philippines, south america for no reason

[knotty vortex]

lmao

[safe wing]

That too

[heavy vigil]

with +500% attack against USA on core or something

[knotty vortex]

they don’t teach this stuff in the UK

[safe wing]

Invite the Carlist prince path

[faint fiber]

the US REALLLY needs a update

[knotty vortex]

only thing ww2 related they taught us was hitlers rise to power in 1930-1938

[safe wing]

UK too

[restive sable]

(i stole this from someone i forgot who)

[inland falcon]

they don't really where i'm from either, i just figured most hoi4 fans would be big on history (no offense)

[restive sable]

france as well

[safe wing]

UK should have a rough early game because of how bad its economy was in 1936

[knotty vortex]

i’m not good at hoi4 lol

i just play because it’s fun

[safe wing]

We all weren’t

[rose narwhal]

Are they ever adding an endgame formable to pagan latvia?

[coarse hull]

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56eddde762cd9413e151ac92/570cb87b5bd33022b93a0272/5cc2cd6cec212d0d9755c75f/1715260927496/iron+curtain.jpg?format=1500w

[rose narwhal]

They really should honestly

[coarse hull]

here’s a bit of it in hungary

[inland falcon]

it's not so much that any of us are good at the game, the AI is just worse at it than we are

[knotty vortex]

i have 150 hours and still SUCK

i lose all the time as USSR

[restive sable]

agreed

[rose narwhal]

Its probably one of the best focus paths in the entire game, the only thing it lacks is an endgame formable

[safe wing]

I lost to Poland as Germany 12 times lost to Finland as the USSR twice and ethopia as Italy 5 times in my first attempts

[knotty vortex]

don’t even get me started on italy vs ethiopia

usually takes me until like 39

and i STRUGGLE.

[lofty yoke]

🫃

[coarse hull]

💔

[inland falcon]

its so funny to me that the american communist path isn't even communist

[safe wing]

Took me until 1941 to defeat Germany as Poland one time

[knotty vortex]

anti blitzerkrieg

[inland falcon]

genuinely the worst tree in the game

[coarse hull]

my record is like mid march 1936 😭

[knotty vortex]

get a load of this guy am i right

you should feel bad for bullying african countries

we give them a chance

[restive sable]

america's tree just sucks i dislike it

[safe wing]

Already envisioned a communist USA rework with 3 separate paths as well as a fascist one with 2 or 3 and 2 non aligned ones which overlap with fascist

[lofty yoke]

huh

[coarse hull]

i am john hearts of iron

[steel zephyr]

2 or 3 collabs on ussr, still hasnt cap'd

i'd take stalingrad but i want the achievement

[limpid field]

are they doing the supreme soviet

[inland falcon]

social democracy, fascism, and my specific strain of communism that is correct and everyone else's is wrong

[drowsy karma]

You need to reach the urals

[knotty vortex]

i was playing as belgian congo yesterday and nearly got their formable but the stupid UK stole my land

[steel zephyr]

yep

[coarse hull]

what the hell is spain up to

[steel zephyr]

are we looking at the same map

well past the urals

[rose narwhal]

Play as some state such as latvia really

[lofty yoke]

🐴

[knotty vortex]

idk how anybody plays spain

civil war gives me a headache

[rose narwhal]

Try to play a game where germany can carry you slightly

[limpid field]

yeah obviously

[knotty vortex]

i always try winning as anarchists tbh though

[safe wing]

Non aligned would be corporate state and military dictatorship (both could go fascist) but USA should not have a meme monarchy path or a monarchy path in general

[drowsy karma]

DAWG LOOK AT SPAIN, THE ALLIES HAVE A WHOLE ASS D DAY

[rose narwhal]

Copy their strategies, learn from them

[inland falcon]

i actually like spain more than any other nation's tree

[steel zephyr]

quintillion chinese units

[steel zephyr]

there arent even the allies, UK joined my faction and france I puppeted

[inland falcon]

i feel like a corporate state should always be fascist no?

[restive sable]

america doesnt need a monarchy path

[rose narwhal]

Turn on the expert ai mod quickly

[safe wing]

East India company is non aligned but can go fascist just using that as an base

[rose narwhal]

Check what templates the ai uses

And copy them yourselves

Really it is helpful

[drowsy karma]

https://youtu.be/5FRLsAzCPmg?si=Sd4LMBClKySJHzf1

TFR community is crazy

[steel zephyr]

entire chinese army here

[coarse hull]

“north america” 🔥

[inland falcon]

when you say corporate do you mean like, a single corporation or like a group of corporations that not so subtly control the american government

one big disneyland :D

[safe wing]

Good question leaning towards a group of people

[steel zephyr]

soviets 97% towards cap with the two collabs, these two cities sould do

[coarse hull]

and then they join the chinese united front

[inland falcon]

i feel like that should be fascist by default then

[faint fiber]

I feel like there were more cliques in real life

[steel zephyr]

and then kazakhstan pops out...

[drowsy karma]

Never underestimate the AIs ability to join the Chinese United front

[inland falcon]

but alas, MacArthur military dictatorship, everything else isn't worth touching

[safe wing]

True But the USA having a monarchy path is just a meme path tbh

[patent thistle]

https://i.waifu.pics/rITaGDs.gif

@fair horizon aint no way i found that one-

[coarse hull]

filipino macarthur 😛

[inland falcon]

King (Mac)Arthur

[safe wing]

USA should have two fascist paths Bund (pro German) and Siliver shirts (us faction led)

[lofty yoke]

big AI is mad don't bully theme

[coarse hull]

there certainly were

[safe wing]

Not mad just brainstorming how a proper usa should be reworked rather than the alt history fan fiction we got in man the guns

[green magnet]

nato started an unjustified war against Denmark. (they're fascist)

[faint fiber]

how many were there?

[restive sable]

there is no reason why america should have a monarchy path

[coarse hull]

not sure, though a lot of them were probably just not notable enough to make the cut

[safe wing]

This is the exact conclusion I came too

[lofty yoke]

man is yo sad i don't care anymore

[coarse hull]

secret path where FDR doesn’t die and gets a fifth term

[safe wing]

That reminds me should FDR get the Atturk treatment where you get a mini game where his health deteriorates

[worldly schooner]

same game where you can make turkestan btw

[restive sable]

so what

[coarse hull]

don’t forget the filipino monarchy where they welcome back the spanish

[safe wing]

Alright Who would be king of America other than the uk royal family

[worldly schooner]

i dont think paradox is shooting for realism with all their paths champ

[worldly schooner]

idk resurrect washington

[coarse hull]

FDR

evil FDR

infinite terms for evil FDR

[restive sable]

regardless there's at least SOME tiny bit of plausiblity with most of their paths, even if its shaky

[worldly schooner]

name him showerington and tell him monarchy is really cool

[hoary pecan]

why is the UK not dropping their naval guard like usual?

i cant naval invade they arent dropping guard

[coarse hull]

spam naval bombers

[safe wing]

Edward VIII is really the only person I can think of who would be the US king

[royal fable]

i be struggling on civilian mode

idk how u guys manage

[safe wing]

Or some other lesser uk royal

[restive sable]

even then it sounds dumb

[hoary pecan]

it wont work because they still dominate naval

[worldly schooner]

i do too dw

[safe wing]

Pretty much

[restive sable]

if america EVER gets a monarchist path for some reason it should be the form of some meme path and nothing else

[hoary pecan]

bro why isnt uk dropping naval

[worldly schooner]

try spamming naval bombers

or send in game pics so we can see whats happening

[hoary pecan]

they usually drop guard and i can send naval invasion

and then send my military there

[fair horizon]

I thought either wisconsin or missouri was

[hoary pecan]

UK used to be so easy what happened??

[lofty yoke]

lol

[green magnet]

nope

[worldly schooner]

gotterdamrung and no compromise no surrender happened

https://tenor.com/view/thousand-yard-stare-amazing-grace-shell-shock-war-meme-meme-gif-860362854430789581

[lofty yoke]

seam here , uk is shit ok , we need nerf that islnd

[young lake]

Uk is still easy?

[hoary pecan]

so what should i do?