hoi4-general

[heavy vigil]

my SoL went to like idk third in the world because of it maybe

economy overall was fine but still close to bankruptcy for a while with heavy negative money

[sudden grotto]

new zeland best country in the world

is it commie or is it vanilla flag ?

[heavy vigil]

communist because SoL good for immigration afaik

[sudden grotto]

commies actually goated in vic3?

[umbral vessel]

What am I doing wrong that this happens?

[rapid furnace]

had historical on and germany did Danzig for Slovakia

[heavy vigil]

meh

[woven gate]

i'll never get why they don't get Poznan

[sudden grotto]

because historically they just asked for the danzig corridor

[woven gate]

that's gonna be in my nightmares

[sudden grotto]

The 1939 German ultimatum to Poland refers to a list of 16 proposals by Nazi Germany to resolve the Danzig crisis, including a demand for the return of the Free City of Danzig to Germany and for a plebiscite to be held on the status of the Polish Corridor.

[muted marsh]

Found the way to make my game look as fancy as possible

[sudden grotto]

ngl looks hella good

[muted marsh]

I'm also planning to use the 1960 tech tree mod at some point

Plus a ton of enhancement mods

Just make the perfect vanilla experience

[worn hollow]

your typical italy ai

[worn hollow]

idk why but the same happened with italy and they decided to war on france

in 37

[opaque zinc]

Focus made border gore

It’s so ugly

Germany looks disgusting

Poland looks disgusting

[azure walrus]

imma try japan again

(no ncns, so im playing fascist japan)

[azure walrus]

hey you take that back

personally i enjoy the danzig for slovakia borders

[sudden grotto]

hre polish border before prussia got poznan borders

[rapid furnace]

everything going good

[sudden grotto]

TNO larping with burgundy

[rapid furnace]

fixed the baltics

what to pick here

im picking todt

[vital cove]

you're supposed to pick todt first and then replace him for speer

[rapid furnace]

hey btw when does todt die

also end of ussr

[azure walrus]

is there german 1wrw victory content

[heavy vigil]

rapa nui sucks

damn

[fair horizon]

Is that the one island chile gets?

[alpine hare]

Tbh

Naval kills>encirclements

[woven gate]

a hot take but somewhat agreeable

it really depends on the size of the encirclement though

[fair horizon]

Based and navalpilled

Nothing feels better than watching your navy turn the enemy's into a coral reef

[heavy vigil]

they have a cool strong powerful leader

[faint fiber]

have I played long enough

[heavy vigil]

youd think its perfect for a navy game

but it actually really sucks to invade people

[fair horizon]

No manpower

[heavy vigil]

you get like 400 weekly

its a lot

[fair horizon]

Are you not commie?

[heavy vigil]

just i dont wanna like cheese

no

and like

mil access or para invade someone

[fair horizon]

Is the leader that good?

[heavy vigil]

i feel like thats silly

[heavy vigil]

no you get from focus tree

but leader is good

not as good as jan mayen leader

[fair horizon]

i want to play the jan mayen bear

[alpine hare]

Playing Italy and 1 vs all the allied navy is so satisfying

[heavy vigil]

you can cheat to release it

[fair horizon]

But i dont know how to play poland

[heavy vigil]

youll miss out on pop and build slots afaik

[alpine hare]

Like once you win the first big battle in the med it's easy winnings in the med

[fair horizon]

Italy 🤮

[alpine hare]

Though wished the German AI was abit competent with air but it is what it is

[fair horizon]

I hate them

They re such a fake major

[alpine hare]

Italian navy so gucchi tho

[fair horizon]

Level 3 bb engine at the start is so goated

But everything else about italy sucks

[alpine hare]

True

My industry was basically hampered by the lack of coal and a incompetent German AI

[tulip thorn]

I disagree, Italy is my goat

[fair horizon]

I hate it and everything to do with it

Ill never reform rome

I only played it to do navy and everything else about it just sucked so much i refuse to play it

[woeful knoll]

how is italy a fake major?

what else would you put there besides china

[ember vine]

Why is winning against the allies always impossible

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/great-britain-american-revolution-king-george-iii-british-empire-uk-gif-19425930

[faint fiber]

because germany, Japan and italy were not the best nations to be in the 1930s, Italy was not ready for war, Japan was setting China on fire and Germany was...you know

[ember vine]

But even non historical always ends the same

I'm playing as anarchist spain

That means that everyone is my enemy

[faint fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/why-friends-ross-geller-why-would-you-do-that-gif-17064648373645881244

[ember vine]

I wanted world conquest but failed when United Shittocks of America joined

[unique cliff]

how do i have 47 civilian factories as lithuania in 1939

i only have latvia

[violet veldt]

Spain needs a rework

And france needs a uhh

[faint fiber]

well no shit sherlock

[violet veldt]

Rework

Buenaventura durriti :3

[tulip thorn]

Italy is fun

Very fun

Very easy to be powerful aswell

[woeful knoll]

Not impossible

paradrop/just build a navy

if u are a litte minor outside of europe they cant hurt you

[random needle]

I’m in the green why ain’t I breaking thru

[woeful knoll]

take a guess bro

[random needle]

Idk

[ember vine]

RDCA and anarchocommunist ethiopia relations would be fire

[random needle]

I got more divisions

[woeful knoll]

no supply

[violet veldt]

Rdca?

[woeful knoll]

the divisions have 0 strength

[random needle]

How to fix ts

[woeful knoll]

so they have no guns or tanks in them

[ember vine]

Regional Defence Council of Aragon

[woeful knoll]

pushing through mountains

your def using base templates

[random needle]

Yeah

[violet veldt]

It seems conditions

First of all

Anarchist spain

[woeful knoll]

send a full screenshot

[violet veldt]

Second of all

Ethiopia survives

How likely does these two happen?

[ember vine]

Idk but why not if the player would be Anarchist spain

[prime totem]

i mean tbh i had it happen like 2 or 3 times

[violet veldt]

How many games?

[ember vine]

Former central power country can form central powers so why not anarchist cooperation

[woeful knoll]

Firstly restart and take the good path the spartucus one

secondly

[prime totem]

2-3 games as i said.

[woeful knoll]

you have like 500 divs on the border

with no supply

[violet veldt]

Have you played

[random needle]

Im on Spartacus and im on multiplayer

[random needle]

Should I fall back?

[prime totem]

like 200 hours

[violet veldt]

200 hours

2-3 times

It happens once every 67 hours

[woeful knoll]

How are you this bad and playing multiplayer?

[prime totem]

BUT this is my rn account,i had accounts before this,so in total like 500 hours

[woeful knoll]

and if ur on sparticus use your focus tree

you can diplo annex all of europe

[prime totem]

OH GODDAMN IT

[violet veldt]

Once every 167 hours

[random needle]

Idk 😭

[violet veldt]

Simpl8fied btw

[random needle]

I did liberate Austria

[violet veldt]

Im not doing all that math

[random needle]

I got like 600 on this game

[woeful knoll]

600 hrs?

[random needle]

Yeah

[violet veldt]

Why annex

[woeful knoll]

Geniunely confused

how you have 600 hours

[violet veldt]

Just puppet

[woeful knoll]

and doing this

in a multiplayer game

[random needle]

I don’t play Germany that much

[prime totem]

how much hoi4 do you guys play daily? hour wise

[random needle]

My friend is playing USSR and is new

So he isn’t much help

[woeful knoll]

no like

ur divs have 0 supply and strength with base templates

how?

[random needle]

idk

I just never learned about that 😭

[woeful knoll]

show casualty screen

[prime totem]

wait,about div editing???

[tulip thorn]

On average about 6-8 hours a day

[prime totem]

mine is like 4-7 hours

close to yours

[woeful knoll]

Supply div strength terrerian div editing the germany focus tree etc

[prime totem]

oof

[random needle]

I’m good

244k

[violet veldt]

Show it

[prime totem]

how many months or days?

[violet veldt]

For austria?

Youre new

[tulip thorn]

Would be higher, but I dont play hoi4 everyday and I dont only play hoi4

[violet veldt]

Idk highest ive ever gotten is probably half thay

[prime totem]

i ONLY play hoi4 fr

[violet veldt]

With hungary or smth

[tulip thorn]

I dont

[random needle]

2 years

I lowkey gave up and gonna restart

[tulip thorn]

I would get really bored really fast

[prime totem]

not that bad

[tulip thorn]

I love hoi4 but playing it all the time for 13 hours a day would just be boring

[prime totem]

i mean with mods,you dont get bored yk?

[random needle]

idk what is a good division template

[heavy vigil]

you do

[prime totem]

TNO,TWR,RISE OF NATIONS etc.

[prime totem]

personally i dont man

[woeful knoll]

9 infantry with support companies

[random needle]

3x3?

[woeful knoll]

also if u want to larp as commie germany heres a trick

[tulip thorn]

I hate TNO and Rise of nations is a laggy mess

Twr is ok I guess

[violet veldt]

Twr?

[prime totem]

twr is good fr

[woeful knoll]

take the militia div and make it a infantry with 1 militia u get a unique model

[prime totem]

yea

[heavy vigil]

i get it as someone who hasnt gotten bored mostly, but eventually most people do

[tulip thorn]

its atleast way more fun than tno

[prime totem]

(ill prob. get there eventually)

[prime totem]

YES

and less laggy

[violet veldt]

Whats ron and twr

[prime totem]

RON is Rise of Nations,TWR is Thousand Week Reich

you can look at them on steam

[violet veldt]

Whats rise of nationss

Whats thattt

Would you trccomend twr

[prime totem]

yes.

[tulip thorn]

A mod that goes from the 1900s to the 2050s

Its a weird mess of a mod

Very laggy aswell

[prime totem]

Perfect explanation

[prime totem]

i mean if you disable minor nations and south america its fine

not that laggy

[woeful knoll]

millenium dawn is the best hoi4 mod you even get a crash every 30 seconds

[prime totem]

Novum Vexillum is better fr

[tulip thorn]

I dont have the best pc or cpu, but its pretty decent. I can hardly get past the 30s in that mod

[random needle]

Infantry

[tulip thorn]

its horrible

[woeful knoll]

yes

now

restart and use your focus tree

[random needle]

aight

[tulip thorn]

I wont give it a full chance until italy has a proper focus tree

[random needle]

We are gonna try and push back France

[woeful knoll]

yes

if u want to invade italy like that

[prime totem]

whats your pc stats like?

[woeful knoll]

u need to try and push through 1 tile with good supply

use something like mountineers

[tulip thorn]

I have a 13th gen I5 and Rtx 4050

[woeful knoll]

once u get one tile just make the frontline bigger and bigger

also naval invade if possible

[tulip thorn]

I got it for 500 bucks refurbished

[prime totem]

hold on lemme show you mine

[tulip thorn]

Pretty decent for the price

[prime totem]

Amd ryzen 5600H and a Rtx 3050 for....1.1k dollars

dont question

[tulip thorn]

Oh my god

[prime totem]

turkish economics at its finest lol

[tulip thorn]

That cpu is pretty good atleast

[prime totem]

yeah

[tulip thorn]

But over 1k for a 3050

[prime totem]

YEA ITS SO BAD

tho its a gaming laptop btw not a pc

[tulip thorn]

Fascist Britain ai did the cheese lmao

They should have annexed india but still

[prime totem]

lollllllll

[tulip thorn]

I also have a gaming laptop

[prime totem]

my man 👍

[tulip thorn]

Needed something mobile but decently powerful for like at most 800 bucks

Upgraded from some 10 year old I7 and gtx 960m btw

(2gb)

[prime totem]

YIKESSSS

thats old

[tulip thorn]

It is old

Still works, now its just a media player on my tv lmao

[cold frigate]

whats a good begginer country

[prime totem]

nice idea

[prime totem]

Germany.

the easiest country

[tulip thorn]

Canada and Hungary or Romania

Those are my picks

[prime totem]

Hungary is good too

dont know about canada nor romania tho

[tulip thorn]

As canada you literally dont have to worry about invasion

[prime totem]

(btw sent you a friend request)

[prime totem]

thats true

[cold frigate]

what focus do i do

[tulip thorn]

If you are to play germany stay historical

[prime totem]

historical germany which is the rhineland

remilitarize the rhineland

dont go alt history germany because you might not handle it

[woeful knoll]

good beginner country is italy

germany is very hard

[cold frigate]

do i jus rush historical countries

[woeful knoll]

because u have to conqiuer the world

[cold frigate]

like chezch and austria

[woeful knoll]

with a collapsing econemy and no resources

[heavy vigil]

its not actually the worst but its unplayable without dlcs

[woeful knoll]

i meant italy

[cold frigate]

who do i attack?

[woeful knoll]

as who?

[cold frigate]

germany

[woeful knoll]

annex austria and cze then poland and france

then invade uk (dont bother as new player) and then soviets

thoseare the main targets

but u can really invade all of europe if you want as germany

[cold frigate]

do i speed up to get pp?

[woeful knoll]

what?

game speed?

[cold frigate]

yuh

[woeful knoll]

Do whatever you want that is personal preference

[cold frigate]

ok

[woeful knoll]

10 hour micro game or 1 hour based battleplan

[prime totem]

did everyone sleep or somethin

[fair horizon]

Imo too many negatives that you dont get rid of for a while with some requiring you to be at war and stuff like minors require

[fathom shard]

yeah people tend to sleep at night

[fair horizon]

Like their army and airforce are just garbage until you finish certain focuses

[winter fulcrum]

oh crap...

[vital cove]

those focuses really don't matter

[winter fulcrum]

who is this?

bro thinks hes fooling us

[woeful knoll]

i hate this path so much

it gives u a bounch of pacific naval bases but stunts your naval growth

[winter fulcrum]

isnt that the path needed for HRE?

[woeful knoll]

yea

[opaque zinc]

I JUST CAPPED SPAIN IN 1937 FINALLY

[fallen hearth]

dawg.

[opaque zinc]

IT WENT FROM ME CAPPING THEM IN 1941 ON AVERAGE

TO 1937

IM HER

!!!

[woeful knoll]

civil war?

[opaque zinc]

IM HER

[opaque zinc]

YES

[woeful knoll]

as whom

[opaque zinc]

Fascist Spain but I’m going carlist

I usually take like 4 years longer

[woeful knoll]

Now try the falangist one

[fair horizon]

Spamming naval invasions during that goes hard

[fathom shard]

do german volksreich

its useless but its cool

[fair horizon]

The debuffs are pretty rough

[woeful knoll]

nmy biggest problem is

roman empire path

makes your own faction

so this one time germany was guarding my iraq border while i was fighting in east africa

i do protect iberia

it makes your own useless faction and i capitulate cuz of it

[agile dirge]

Facist civil war

[toxic cypress]

as?

france?

portugal?

[winter fulcrum]

it can NOT be that expensive 😭

[fair horizon]

1 dockyard 🥀

[winter fulcrum]

there does that make you happy?

[fair horizon]

Double the production

Make 5 of them

[winter fulcrum]

okay?

yk what

no

[fair horizon]

Fake navyer

[opaque zinc]

Mussolini

https://tenor.com/view/not-very-woke-of-you-nuh-uh-homelander-gen-v-the-boys-gif-5949428463441363002

[winter fulcrum]

there we go

[fair horizon]

Based

[winter fulcrum]

im gonna make even more

[fair horizon]

Shbb armor improved battleship ❤️

[winter fulcrum]

i have like 10 being made all with 5 dockyards on them

am i the goat?

[woven gate]

"hold on i'll join in 21 years"

[wraith blade]

is the last expansion worth it? I'm still on the fence about it

[winter fulcrum]

the japan dlc?

[wraith blade]

yeah

[winter fulcrum]

ehh

i mean its good and all

but its not fun for a long time

its mostly good for the faction rework and doctrine rework

i played asian countries like 4-5 times and then it got kinda boring

[wraith blade]

doctrine rework was for everyone, i was asking because of the faction rework

[winter fulcrum]

oh

alr well the faction rework is pretty good

[restive sable]

faction rework is pretty nice personally, i like the trees and content it adds

only one the fence about it cause of the pricetag

if it was 20 instead of 30 bucks i'd recommend it a lot more

but that's just my opinion

[wraith blade]

yeah it seems overpriced

[winter fulcrum]

but if ur not the in allies its annoying to get other allies in ur faction early game bc of the faction power projection

[wraith blade]

if i may ask, how does power projection work?

[winter fulcrum]

you basically get quests in ur faction that u can choose

like this

[wraith blade]

oh it's from the goals

[winter fulcrum]

and the more u complete the more projection you have, also i think its also mostly based off completion of ur factions main goal

[wraith blade]

ok ok, thanks. I'll wait for a sale

[wraith blade]

damn you get compliance growth

[cyan arrow]

I lowk hate the fact that you can't disband unless the members arent all puppets

[winter fulcrum]

well u can js kick everyone out

[wraith blade]

also gg man for the Roman Empire

[winter fulcrum]

thanks

took me a long run

[cyan arrow]

And that you need specific requirements (or a faction point + faction fulfillment so you remove the "who can get kicked" rule) to kick members

[wraith blade]

what political path did you choose?

[winter fulcrum]

lowk this has probably been the easiest run ever for me

[restive sable]

italian focus tree is great

i love it

[winter fulcrum]

ikr

idk why i havent mained it before

[wraith blade]

civil war mechanics are irritating to me, that's the reason why Italy is my least played major

[winter fulcrum]

what?

ohh

you mean the balance of power?

[wraith blade]

yup, oh no i lost a single core, now it's a ticking bomb

it forces me to attack even when defence would be the better option

[winter fulcrum]

maybe its not that you don't pick Italy, but that Italy doesn't pick you

[wraith blade]

fair enough

[exotic bridge]

scoreboard [insert family guy scene]

[winter fulcrum]

well i mean it kind of makes sense

[wraith blade]

i'll stay with my soviets and germans

[winter fulcrum]

would you want a dictator who promised all these things to you to now start losing core parts of your countries?

[wraith blade]

as a soviet main it's not unthinkable

[restive sable]

civil war path is stupid though everything else is pretty fun

[winter fulcrum]

i tried communist italy once and its pretty ass

[restive sable]

the democratic republic path is a bit better

[winter fulcrum]

soviets when they get in a war with iran and immediately begin to lose all of their equipment because of the mountains:

[restive sable]

but democratic king is better by a mile

[wraith blade]

well having more soldiers than rifles is a common theme in a soviet run

[winter fulcrum]

i think having augustus mussolini is better

[wraith blade]

the drip on that portrait is immaculate

[fair horizon]

Didnt even kill a capital smh

[winter fulcrum]

i played the soviets once, beat germany, had a 150k debt in guns after like 9 months, then the allies declared war on me and they had italy

[wraith blade]

if you lost you did not spam enough bodies against them

[winter fulcrum]

i didnt lose i just quit

i cant look at a deb

debt*

that big

[restive sable]

i love the romanized portraits of mussolini and the king

[wraith blade]

fair enough, to me a gun deficit is just another tuesday

[fervent cape]

is there anyway I can stop a production line from converting my cas also? im just trying to convert my fighters and its draining my cas

[winter fulcrum]

just make more cas than you lose

wait wait wait HOW many factories?

1234?

[wraith blade]

we were on the verge of greatness, look at the civs you get from trade

almost 123

[rich nacelle]

Good plane design or nah? Im america and japan isnt going for me

[winter fulcrum]

why arent all the stats 10000000000000?

augustus goonalini wouldnt let that happen

[violet veldt]

north american

[violet veldt]

mussolini pfp 😭

[rich nacelle]

United States of America

[violet veldt]

i got warned for having the sabo kitty as my pfp once

[violet veldt]

no the mio

the range one

[rich nacelle]

That is the range one

Ohh

[winter fulcrum]

in this server?

[rich nacelle]

Wait

I get it

[wraith blade]

i dunno man, Lockheed seemed better for heavy fighters

[violet veldt]

yeah

[winter fulcrum]

huh

its js bc im the goat ofc

[violet veldt]

nah uh

youre stanning discount hitler

hitler sucked btw

[rich nacelle]

So is the plane good?

[restive sable]

are you going to tell us the grass is green next?

[violet veldt]

i have to clarify this because this is the official hoi4 server

they be lurking

[wraith blade]

in my opinion too expensive, remove 2 heavy mgs and put a mounted turret on that

[violet veldt]

why not just cut down on engines

and a bit less range

you do NOT need that much fuel

[rich nacelle]

It wouldn’t be the end of the world if I have 4 heavy mg right? I am in single player and have Japan specifically set to NOT go for me.

[wraith blade]

speed and agility are too much to pass

[violet veldt]

are you fighting in moscow from spain?

[restive sable]

it's a game set in ww2 it's inevitable

[violet veldt]

yeah

thats fair

[wraith blade]

you get more weight and thus less agility

[restive sable]

i promise you most normal people don't have any positive view on these sort of totalitarian dictators

[exotic bridge]

I still think that's a massive break to their screens so I'll take it for now

[violet veldt]

i live in the us in a former confederate state i'd probably have to clarify that irl

[restive sable]

don't live in a southern state i wouldn't really know what it's like

[rich nacelle]

They suck

[restive sable]

i can imagine

[violet veldt]

it sucks

[restive sable]

i have been there for travelling purposes

[wraith blade]

and now that i think about it, no radio is devious

[restive sable]

nothing else

[violet veldt]

rural shithole full of racist mfs

[rich nacelle]

Fr? I thought radio was useless except for RP.

[rich nacelle]

And religious nutjobs

[wraith blade]

less penalty for night attacks and weather

[violet veldt]

yeah true

[cobalt dawn]

guys what subdoctrines for mobile warfare i should go for?

[violet veldt]

we'd have to take this to dms

[violet veldt]

mobile infantry

[restive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-gif-18046692

[violet veldt]

mission type tactics

[restive sable]

sounds terrible

[violet veldt]

mobile recon

armored spearhead

[cobalt dawn]

hmmm

[rich nacelle]

Mission type tactics the goat for all doctrines afaik

[violet veldt]

grand assault better for grand battleplan

grand battplan is like the goat if you take this game seriously

[cobalt dawn]

how about air doctrine

battlefield support

[rich nacelle]

I don’t and it is still the goat

[violet veldt]

mobile warfare is goated if youre a casual player

[cobalt dawn]

playing as germany

[violet veldt]

pinpoint

dominant airspace? iirc

[cobalt dawn]

😅

[violet veldt]

battlefield support

carpet bombing

idk

[rich nacelle]

I love carpet bombing

[violet veldt]

i hate high school i am more likely to be friends with the teachers than like 90% of the students

[rich nacelle]

Strat bombers go vrrrrrrrrrrrr

[restive sable]

yeah sounds way different then my school

my whole area is just packed to the brim with stuff to do

great people around this area

[violet veldt]

mine too but like. sometimes people say things that in 70 years people will say they were "products of their time" for

[cobalt dawn]

how about naval wise...

(not that i will use navy that much)

[rich nacelle]

Here in Hawai'i, the only classes we have are PE, Math, ELA, and a little bit of history

[cobalt dawn]

trade interdiction as usual

[rich nacelle]

and the history is taught to make people hate white ppl

[violet veldt]

mate use base strike

[rich nacelle]

Glad I am homeschooled now

[violet veldt]

the new school

wolfpack tactics

[wraith blade]

lol

[violet veldt]

the one that says "most expensive piece of real estate"

[rich nacelle]

Im srs. It sucks. Im white too T_T

[violet veldt]

and uhh

either line of battle or the fast battleships

[rich nacelle]

Floating Airfields

[restive sable]

what i heard about hawaii is that everything is becoming absurdly expensive

not sure how true that is

[violet veldt]

i promise you no ones tryna make folk hate white people

[rich nacelle]

Yep

6k a month for condos in Kailua-Kona

[violet veldt]

they're probably just being transparent about their history

[rich nacelle]

Granted they are for the millionares

[cobalt dawn]

aw cmonnnnn

[violet veldt]

have you ever heard about bull breaking?

[rich nacelle]

Nope lol. I have looked into the history.

[half helm]

guys whats the command to produce submarine instanly?

[cobalt dawn]

germany aint built for big fleet

[rich nacelle]

A whole lot of lies

[cobalt dawn]

or something

[violet veldt]

source: the british imperial army or wtv

source: some person who owned slaves

[wraith blade]

i wasnt saying that you are a liar i believe you, i just think it's funny because many inventions like modern medicine came from yt people. Imagine a world without antibiotics

[violet veldt]

maate

[half helm]

anybody knows?

[violet veldt]

the islamic rennaisance

[restive sable]

everyone is biased towards their own history

[wraith blade]

thay had penicillin?

[restive sable]

and generally have better knowledge of their own history

[wraith blade]

dont think so

[restive sable]

an american is likely going to be more informed on american history then say an italian would be

as a wild example

[rich nacelle]

the schools dont really say white people didnt do all these things that help society

[violet veldt]

literally look at south africa

[rich nacelle]

It's pure demonization

[violet veldt]

look at the southern states

[wraith blade]

and btw for the modern nursery system, check who Florence Nightingale is

[rich nacelle]

Vaccine for Smallpox as well.

[wraith blade]

f'd up

[rich nacelle]

Agree. Although Hawai'i politics is fueled by racism, corruption, and nepotism. Especially on the county and community level.

[restive sable]

i hear a lot of messed up stuff about hawaii's situation

feel bad

[rich nacelle]

You literally cant get certain jobs here unless you are brown-skinned or sleep with a brown-skinned woman for example.

[rich nacelle]

I wanna leave lol

[wraith blade]

wish you the best man

[fair horizon]

Tbf if you look at japan 90% of the time they have like 10% of their dockyards on capital ships and not screens and thats why they lose the islands so easy

[restive sable]

you intending on moving into the mainland?

[violet veldt]

what about the father of gynecology?

sigmund freud

[rich nacelle]

Once I get old enough and hopefully get enought money.

[violet veldt]

winston churchill

[rich nacelle]

I was born in Michigan

[restive sable]

oh that's cool

[violet veldt]

manifest destiny

the caste system

[rich nacelle]

What are you getting at?

[restive sable]

i'm in illinois so it's pretty close

[violet veldt]

atlantic slave trade

[restive sable]

i visit michigan every summer at least once

the beaches are nice

[violet veldt]

even then like

all of this medicine is sold for 1000x its worth nowadays

who's fault is that?

[wraith blade]

corpos

[azure walrus]

the rich

[wraith blade]

arabian slave trade lasted longer lol

[violet veldt]

again, bull breaking

and many other things

[wraith blade]

yeah yeah, yt people bad we get it

[restive sable]

everything is a narrative people want you to mindlessly hate SOMEONE

[wraith blade]

history is built upon atrocities, to think that a single demography is responsable for most of todays evils is delusional

[restive sable]

i'd argue it's just straight up racist in itself to blame one particular group for most of history's dark spots

[rich nacelle]

Holy good opinion

Also why can we say Hitler but not the F word

[wraith blade]

lol

[restive sable]

i'd assume just because hitler is an actual "character" in hoi4

[wraith blade]

i only quoted Legion from mass effect 2 lol

[rich nacelle]

Ik but it is funny

[restive sable]

the f word is quite vulgar of a word compared to other swears as well i'd say

[restive sable]

true

[cobalt dawn]

wut is best subdoctrine for

strike aircraft

[wraith blade]

"Human history is a litany of blood, shed over different ideals of rulership and afterlife... If this is the individuality you value, we question your judgement" The full quote

[wraith blade]

If you can't look at history without taking sides you shouldn't talk about it @violet veldt

[rich nacelle]

Or at least don’t make what side you support obvious.

Because keeping an unbiased view of history can be very difficult.

[winter fulcrum]

honestly this got me thinking, alot of people today genuinely believe that israelis and jews are responsible for all of their problems, but then go around saying things like "hitler was a bad person because he hated jews", like yeah hitler was a bad person but saying that he was bad just because he hated jews whilst believing that jews are the cause of all your problems is the most hypocritical thing ever, and they will literally not mention any of the worse stuff that hitler has done too, just saying that hitler killed and hated jews, whilst they themselves hate jews

[wraith blade]

yeah but it's the only way to understand mankind's history

[restive sable]

rather then looking for actual problems to solutions people just look for scapegoats

[rich nacelle]

Also the fact people will fight anti-semitism tooth and nail and then turn a blind-eye and terror attacks against Jews.

[restive sable]

it's the exact same thing the nazi regime did they used the jewish people as a scapegoat for germany's past hardships

[wraith blade]

true, i think most people can't get beyond suface level when talking about certain topics

[azure walrus]

does this affect support artillery or just line artillery

[rich nacelle]

I mean hell. Not long ago, my home state had what appears to be an attempted bombing and mass shooting of a preschool attacked to a synagogue.

[winter fulcrum]

thats true, they also claimed that jews were leaders of the communist party

[crude grotto]

just artillery

i think

[viscid sleet]

am i missing something to make nukes?

[crude grotto]

yeah

[restive sable]

another myth propagandized by the nazis

[rich nacelle]

Special research

U have to built a nuclear research facility

And then research reactors and nukes

Then build reactors

[crude grotto]

it takes like 3 years to get tho

[rich nacelle]

It takes like 3 years

[wraith blade]

if you have gotterdammerung you have to build nuclear research facility and research reactors and then you can get nukes

[crude grotto]

i need some help of my tho

[rich nacelle]

Even with the DLC you need to

[winter fulcrum]

i think the whole reason it was spread was because i think hitler genuinely believed that all jews were communists, which again doesnt really make sense, thats like saying all italians are fascist because mussolini was fascist

[crude grotto]

i have a save where im going to go to war with the allies (italy is in too) and i dont know if im built up enough

[viscid sleet]

oh shit so you need to do all that research stuuf, of thanks. done some not sure which though

[crude grotto]

can someone check the save?

just need a second opinion

i think i could do it

[rich nacelle]

Okay fascist
/s

[crude grotto]

but idk

[restive sable]

hitler hated many different groups

[crude grotto]

jews? communist?

[restive sable]

a lot of his views were weird to say the least

and inconsistent

at times

[crude grotto]

happens when youre crazy

[winter fulcrum]

wasnt he also jewish?

[restive sable]

he's always been an anti-semite and anti-communist

[crude grotto]

no

[restive sable]

1/8th

by blood

iirc

[restive sable]

just driven by pure hatred and nothing else

[wraith blade]

the people with the double S burned his early life documents, we shall never truly know

[crude grotto]

type of hater i wont ever be ✌️😔

[wraith blade]

there is still time

[crude grotto]

i just dont think i could hate someone that much

well

[rich nacelle]

Try to

[winter fulcrum]

along with that, i think they burned alot of evidence and documents towards the end of the war, so theres some people we will genuienly never know existed because they were killed and their documents dont exist anymore

[wraith blade]

have you ever tried?

[crude grotto]

oh yeah

[restive sable]

once it became very clear that the war was lost they tried to get rid of every document they've logged and made

[wraith blade]

clearly not hard enough

[crude grotto]

im a hater through and through

[fair horizon]

Based

[crude grotto]

just not enough to boom someone

[restive sable]

their oppression was the absolute worst in the final year or so of the regime's existence

[crude grotto]

or their entire race

[wraith blade]

you should try and go to an arts academy

[crude grotto]

i suck at drawing

[restive sable]

they documented all their crimes for people to see, and still somehow will deny what they've done

[wraith blade]

even better if you don't pass

[crude grotto]

im trying my hand at a military academy

[winter fulcrum]

i think at that point the wermacht and the double s were starting to fight each other because at that point, like everyone in germany had the belief that jews were bad, but there were actually many that didnt know what was going on in the camps

[wraith blade]

may i ask of what country?

[crude grotto]

canada or the U.S

im canadian so im gonna try that first

[wraith blade]

fair enough

[crude grotto]

im either going to try and be a pilot or get into the armour brigade

[restive sable]

the wermacht and double s had a rivalry since like the beginning from what i know

example being when the legionaries revolted in romania, the two supported opposite sides

in 1941

[wraith blade]

damn, wish you the best

[crude grotto]

all of the different branches hated each other

[crude grotto]

thank you twin

[winter fulcrum]

i dont think so, im pretty sure there wasnt really much of a rivalry, more just like some people from both sides didnt like the other side, although you may be right because the double s was treated MUCH better than the wermacht

[restive sable]

there was always some form of rivalry and distrust of the other

[exotic bridge]

there you go I got capitals this time

[restive sable]

still probably nowhere near as insane as the rivalry between japan's different branches

[crude grotto]

yo lets see the navy

money spread ts

[exotic bridge]

it's not much but sure

[winter fulcrum]

japan was genuinely the worst in the axis in ww2

[crude grotto]

mine isnt much

[restive sable]

they had sort of the same mentality near the end of the war when they were on the defensive

if anything it was more destructive

[rich nacelle]

Why didn’t Japan just do the End the Inter-service Rivalry focus? Are they stupid?

[wraith blade]

if we are talking about war crimes then yeah, if we are talking about performance Italy takes the cake

[winter fulcrum]

woah woah woah

calm down

[exotic bridge]

I wanted to hit 500 ships total by 41' but didn't really get it fast enough but I'm still winning in the pacific

[rich nacelle]

Didn’t Croatia have camps specifically for kids that the Nazis tried to stop or am I wrong?

[restive sable]

italy's military wasn't the WORST it's just their military was led by donkeys

[restive sable]

they did

[wraith blade]

the Ustace were not even close to the jps in China

[rich nacelle]

…

[crude grotto]

because it's like reality T.V for them

[restive sable]

mussolini also purposefully undermined certain generals/marshals

[winter fulcrum]

but like overall japan was the worst, they seriously didnt care about the geneva convention and im pretty sure some nazis were shocked by what japan was doing

[restive sable]

Badoglio for example

[rich nacelle]

They misread convention for suggestion

[wraith blade]

and thus their performance was the worst out of the majors, you made my point before i could

[restive sable]

from something i've read a while ago (i could be VERY wrong so take it with a grain of salt), but i read somewhere he was given like 3 days to prepare an ivnasion of france and 10 to prepare the invasion of greece

[crude grotto]

tuff

[winter fulcrum]

its mostly bc mussolini kept making decisions against his generals advice

[crude grotto]

heres mine btw

[vivid field]

I don't understand how the enemy can mass such a large force without any negative impact

[exotic bridge]

not bad for germany

[crude grotto]

thanks

[fair horizon]

Good job

[restive sable]

the day badoglio overthrew mussolini must've been one of the best days of his damned life for having to put up with mussolini's shit

[fair horizon]

Now hunt down all their surface ships

[wraith blade]

damn it's wierd not seeing carries to me

[crude grotto]

every time i go rally the Wermacht i gotta make the Bismark and Tirpitz

[wraith blade]

yeah but let's not pretend that Badoglio was competent

[restive sable]

pretty much

[rich nacelle]

Meanwhile my 1 division in the center of Spain uses half of Europe’s supply.

[fair horizon]

Shame battleships arent that good in hoi4

[restive sable]

he wasn't the most competent at all, not what im saying

but he at least had some sense of what he's talking about

[crude grotto]

carriers are for FRAUDS

[wraith blade]

1v1 naval only then

[winter fulcrum]

if mussolini wasnt making decisions against his generals advice, they probably would have done somewhat better

[restive sable]

pretty sure he believed italy wouldnt be ready for a major war until at LEAST the early 1940s

[rich nacelle]

I don’t think I have ever made carriers

[fair horizon]

Me when AA battleships :)

[crude grotto]

how many years do i get to build my navy

[wraith blade]

i'll let you pick the Us, im going jp

[exotic bridge]

here's my designs I made the torp cruiser years ago never upgraded the torpedos please excuse the names I was feeling quite patriotic last night

[crude grotto]

fuh naw

[wraith blade]

until 1940

[rich nacelle]

Japanese WHAT CLASS?

[restive sable]

yeah probably

[crude grotto]

maybe

[wraith blade]

ayoo

[fair horizon]

Sonar destroyers not that good tbh. Carriers do better at just drivebying them if you set them to naval/port strike

[exotic bridge]

I thought it was funny

[crude grotto]

here are my main ships

[fair horizon]

Also dont put that much aa on light cruisers they have low vis so planes dont target them that much

[restive sable]

W ship name

[wraith blade]

no carriers is like having no hoes

[crude grotto]

thats becuase im gay

[fair horizon]

Someone jealous of his big beautiful battleships

[crude grotto]

and im playing germany

[wraith blade]

touche

[exotic bridge]

not bad no subs?

[wraith blade]

wdym carrier germany is hella fun

[crude grotto]

no not really

dont need them

[restive sable]

completely unrelated i must recommend the beck plc path in kaiserredux

[fair horizon]

It kinda irks me that the only ships that attack incoming planes are the ones being targeted

[rich nacelle]

What 😭

That’s dumb af

[wraith blade]

tf is an Intermarium

[wraith blade]

damn thats stupid

[rich nacelle]

Proposed country during WWI

[restive sable]

pilsudski's plan for basically a resurrected polish-lithuanian commonwealth once poland got independence again

[crude grotto]

usually by 1942 i have enough light cruisers that i can just put my destroyers i've taken from defeated nations on convoy raiding

[fair horizon]

Let me do my american aa fire paradox

[wraith blade]

damn a piece of history i dont know, time to get in the rabbit hole

[fair horizon]

Thats why people do AA battleships

[crude grotto]

it takes forever to research and i aint doing allat

[fair horizon]

I want to fill the sky with tracers

[rich nacelle]

The planes target the battleship and die I presume

[crude grotto]

and yes

[restive sable]

i'm polish so i happen to know a lot about poland's history in this time period lol

https://tenor.com/view/scream-love-poland-gif-10918710646251769391

[crude grotto]

i dont use upgraded ships

[wraith blade]

your name gave it away

[restive sable]

least obvious polish name 🗣️🗣️

[crude grotto]

i use the 1936 ships because they're cheaper to make

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/richelieu-heart-aa-bofors-war-thunder-gif-8185067975729115715

[crude grotto]

dont need stronger armour when i have 15 boats to your 1

[tame saddle]

oh- oh

[restive sable]

i played that path a while ago

pretty fun

[tame saddle]

howd you win

was doing ok

[viscid sleet]

i got alot of ships that need repairing but none of them seem to be getting repaired. why would that be? german navy in hawaii

[tame saddle]

then nationalists lost air and got bombed

[fair horizon]

I dont like how slow shbbs are

[restive sable]

i had it on a-historical so japan lost manchuria when they went into civil war

[fair horizon]

Dont have dockyards assigned to it

[restive sable]

and cheaply took over manchuria

[crude grotto]

it doesnt matter if their slow

if they get into one fight whatever their fighting dies

30 something light attack per cruiser is crazy

[viscid sleet]

there is

[tulip thorn]

Those logistics look rough

[restive sable]

WHY are so many factories on trains

[wraith blade]

add a couple more dockyards to repairs and it will solve itself i swear

[viscid sleet]

yeah i just realised i am 452 trains down

[crude grotto]

and my super heavy with 227 heavy attack just violently touches anything it hits

[tulip thorn]

That dock is only level 8

[viscid sleet]

i have 552 docyards repairing

?

[crude grotto]

what the chud

[fair horizon]

Sure but you can also just slap shbb armor on a 1936 or 1940 design and have speed too

[tulip thorn]

So only 8 dockyards will be used for repairs on it

[tulip thorn]

Its only using 8

[fair horizon]

I usually have around 150 on my battleships

[wraith blade]

yo Dempsey, big fan of yours, but it was a joke

[viscid sleet]

yeah i dont know why its only got 8

[fair horizon]

Before training that is

[crude grotto]

yeah but is that as tuff tho?

[tulip thorn]

Each dockyard can only repair up to 10 ships at a time at max level

[crude grotto]

battle ships are aura incarnate

[wraith blade]

nah carriers are

death from the skies

[tulip thorn]

Navy in hoi4 is just aura

[fair horizon]

Still same armor yeah, slightly less pen but otherwise do just as much damage

[crude grotto]

they are probably the tuffest military vehichle ever invented

[tulip thorn]

But battleships just have the slight edge over carriers because I think they look way cooler

[crude grotto]

type shit

[fair horizon]

USS Texas had aura

Tell me a carrier besides Enterprise that had aura

[crude grotto]

the skies dont mean shit when theres no where for the bird to land

also

i just steal the carriers from other countries

[fair horizon]

Why must you hurt glorious so

[tulip thorn]

Hell even the battleships that didnt really do anything and just sunk had aura

[winter fulcrum]

goonalini calm down with the tank production

[crude grotto]

what

[crude grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/i-could've-sworn-there-was-a-gif-of-this-whatever-squid-game-squid-game-edit-squid-game-edit-meme-i'm-so-scared-gif-12360771953743496060

[wraith blade]

yeah good luck at getting my carriers when i spam destroyers

[fair horizon]

US battleships sinking half the japanese battleships at night for funsies during the battle of leyte gulf

[wraith blade]

how many of those are L3s

[fair horizon]

Scharnhorst sunk glorious

[crude grotto]

the destroyers die to my cruisers

[tulip thorn]

lol

[crude grotto]

ah

yeah]

[crude grotto]

the only reason i dont use carriers is that i just dont think they do enough

[wraith blade]

rookie number, more L3s were needed

[crude grotto]

also it takes forever to research them \

[fair horizon]

L3s are so cute

[wraith blade]

i dunno man, to me its the other way around

[fair horizon]

I just dedicate one slot to naval stuff

[winter fulcrum]

if they added the 106mm recoilless rifle to the top of it maybe it would be an amazing tank

[fair horizon]

I usually get destroyer 3 and then go carrier

[crude grotto]

theres a reason that all navies have more battleships and other thins than carriers

[wraith blade]

and a gas turbine engine from the cold war

[crude grotto]

their expensive and slow

anyways,

who wants to check my save file!!!!

[wraith blade]

i never build battleships and never had problems

[fair horizon]

Carriers phased out the bb when they were in their infant stage

[crude grotto]

i just dont research them

i dont really research navy tech in general

[wraith blade]

Aviation in the seas was the future back in the 1940s

[crude grotto]

idk

i just think super heavies are tuffer

like the guns and shit are so cool

[wraith blade]

that being said battleships are cool, i'll give you that @crude grotto

[crude grotto]

thank you gangalang

[wraith blade]

still carriers on top

[fair horizon]

I like battleships because the idea of making a boat just to slap artillery on it is hilarious

[wraith blade]

if you think so you should try Highfleet

big ass flying ships with 180mm cannons

[fair horizon]

Looks like starsector

[wraith blade]

hella different games

[winter fulcrum]

usa and canada are cooked! (i invaded them using land from panama thats why they have all the land

[fair horizon]

Panama world power

[wraith blade]

who let goonolini cook until the 1950s

[winter fulcrum]

the big h prolly could have stopped me sooner if he didnt have a civil war

this is going peak so far

[wooden pendant]

has anyone else been having the uk guarantee countries while world tension is below 25%?

[wraith blade]

that Hungary borders are irritating

[winter fulcrum]

its bc they are fighting russia (japans puppet) and japan

but im not

[wraith blade]

i got so many guarantees against me that i dont even check tension anymore

[crude grotto]

just renamed my boats, are their names heat or nah

[wraith blade]

i'm stealing Linking Embark

[wooden pendant]

i'm trying to go for the "Not a Step Back!" achievement. I start by declaring on Poland early

[crude grotto]

i knew it was good

[wooden pendant]

it was ok for my first two tries but now it's just impossible with their guarantee

always happens on August 3rd

i think it's through some kind of event

[exotic bridge]

now it's unsinkable

[wraith blade]

oh wait, Poland, you are on historical right?

[wooden pendant]

yes

[wraith blade]

armor is useless

[fair horizon]

Based names

[wooden pendant]

i think the UK get an event on August 3rd if Poland is ever threatened by anyone

regardless of the year

which is crazy

[wraith blade]

just build more destryers to screen your carrier

[exotic bridge]

pretty sure armor has a use

[wooden pendant]

the guarantee happens on August 3rd every time i try to justify

[fair horizon]

That dollar store carrier armor when my level 1 default battleship gun pierces it (it barely does anything even with the double damage from piercing)

[wooden pendant]

i'm gonna try again but i'm gonna delay the justification until after August 3rd and see what happens

[wraith blade]

in singleplayer yeah, it tanks speed making it more vulnerable to torpedos

[crude grotto]

thank you

[wraith blade]

not much you can do about its its scripted

[fair horizon]

If you have screens and capitals your carrier can only be damaged by enemy planes btw

[winter fulcrum]

gonna bring out the heavy tanks soon

[wooden pendant]

yeah, but i think i can get around it by justifying after August 3rd

my first couple attempts at the achievement, they didn't guarantee at all

[wraith blade]

damn you learn something new everyday, armor for carriers is even worse than i thought then

[wooden pendant]

i'm not sure about what i did differently, i don't think i did

[fair horizon]

Heavy guns can only hit the first 2 sets in a battle

[wooden pendant]

they might just have an extremely low chance of ignoring poland, and that's what let me get them so early before

[fair horizon]

5 destroyers a CA and a carrier? Cant hit the carrier. Just a ca and a carrier? It can shoot the carrier

[wraith blade]

thanks for the tip

[fair horizon]

Another tip: if you dont have dual purpose, dont put them on carriers because they dont shoot ships in the battle line .

[wraith blade]

my carriers are hangars only

[fair horizon]

No aa? Cringe

[wraith blade]

dont even bother researching better light batteries

[fair horizon]

Also the only time carriers should have armor is when they are converted as it makes them cheaper to convert if they retain the cruiser armor. Doesnt count for battleships though because you cant retain battleship armor on a converted battleship for some reason.

[wraith blade]

no i put aa it's just not my priority on carriers

[winter fulcrum]

what do rockets do?

[wraith blade]

which ones? ICBMs?

[winter fulcrum]

basic ballistic missiles

can they damage combat units>

?

[wraith blade]

strategic bombing

[fair horizon]

I think they're for strat bombing

[winter fulcrum]

dang

are there any rockets that damage units?

[wraith blade]

with enough research on the aviations facilities you can put nuclear warheard on them and they have a 95% to hit

so better than nuking with bombers

[placid moat]

do the multiplayer games here get players?

[wraith blade]

when you unlock ICBMs you can send a nuke from Spain to New York

[fair horizon]

Check the multiplayer channel

[wraith blade]

tha's about it

[terse skiff]

people will remember the 3 brave Romanians who made the ultimate sacrifice to defeat +5 germany and +5 italy

[fair horizon]

Ill rember their sacrifice

[terse skiff]

lest we forget 🙏

i might have destroyed 11 million axis soldiers and destroyed the german air force in 14 months, but it was romania's decision to join the war in August of 1942 that forced the Axis powers to capitulate

[normal trellis]

I was thinking about getting another DLC (already have Gotterdammerung) but I don't know which ones are worth it. Is La Resistance good?

[terse skiff]

nsb is the most important one

[wraith blade]

No Step Back

[terse skiff]

then bba gives you air designer (templates in help pin) and la resistance for spies

[normal trellis]

What does that one do?

[terse skiff]

tank design

the designer that matters

[wraith blade]

the tank designer from nsb alone is worth the dlc

By Blood Alone a close second

[opaque zinc]

This is gonna be dumb but idk how to get the modules like

Do I have to do the uhm

[normal trellis]

K

[opaque zinc]

Facility

Like ground facility

[fair horizon]

Nah comes from researches

[opaque zinc]

I don’t see it tho

[fair horizon]

So like artillery 2 is howitzer

[opaque zinc]

Ohh

[wraith blade]

nah, arty, aa and antitank gives you the cannons.

[opaque zinc]

Ok

But is it their second versions?

[fair horizon]

Maint company 2 is easy maintenance

[opaque zinc]

Because I have anti air as Spain right now

But I go to my tank

Designs

And I see no option for anti air

[fair horizon]

Yeah its further down the arty tree probs

Anti air is small weapons iirc

[wraith blade]

easy maintenance the goat

[wraith blade]

every technology in the arty research tree shows you what tank module you get

[opaque zinc]

Ok

[wraith blade]

so check them and see what you need

[opaque zinc]

I’m so proud of myself for getting carlist Spain done in 1937

[azure walrus]

beat china

[charred lake]

Any good cold war mods anyone can recommend? I wanna learn more about that time period, just thought playing a mod about that would help lol😅

[restive sable]

cold war iron curtain

[wraith blade]

Last time I played this mod it was broken. Does it work rn?

[restive sable]

not sure

havent played it in a while

[polar radish]

Playing Italy w AI Germany is a bottom 5 experience

[wraith blade]

Tf is this mod?