hoi4-general

[violet veldt]

Karl marx didnt talk about anything the soviets did

My basis is that they had good armor half decent cannons and they produced a lot of them

If the t-34 was so bad theyd change it

Im guessing pre-molotov they at least had some british designs? Even then that was probably before the t-34 was even produced

[violet veldt]

And by "change it" i mean use a different tank

Not the quality controls that soviet plants did

American troops had it way easier than soviet ones

Invade an unoperated defense line on france and belgium vs survive a cracked up dictator dumping all his resources on killing you and your family

[heavy vigil]

yes more losses because tanks were often bailed out

and then repaired post battle

[violet veldt]

Shermans were literally low armored wdym

Having more losses doesnt equal worse armor

[heavy vigil]

shermans werent often bailed out afaik

their loss ratio was low because like shipment time was immense

you couldnt afford to lose them

also fighting the worse part of the german army helps

[violet veldt]

Yeah thats what im saying

Idk germans were just having their priorities in a twist

[violet veldt]

And dont interpret me as calling stalin any better

Hitler was obviously worse than stalin

But stalin is not good

Axis = bad guys
Allies = not bad guys

[unique cliff]

and we get to modern world where everyone is bad guys

[wide osprey]

I wonder why in the age of free internet and information, when almost every book and source is available for you, people continue to believe and talk obvious nonsense
and when someone points out their wrong, they say nah YOU are wrong 😤

[violet veldt]

Like you really believe that they had 1 rifle for 5 people? Lol

They literally backed up their svt-38/40 production because germans messed it up. They lowered their rifle quality just so theyd have enough rifles on the front

There was a reason why churchill almost was locked up in a mental hospital for suggesting operation unthinkable

Exxageration ik

But the united states was scared at the suggestion

And they had nukes

You probably got your info from that one movie the red army hated

Bootlicks the shit out of the germans

Ask any historian worth their shit and theyll tell you they made it up

Its probably cause the us army thought that the germans equally distributed their forces

[wide osprey]

In fact, I'm surprised that german generals actually said that
like dude you admit that you lost to the "human hordes without rifles". what the leader you are bruh

[violet veldt]

Real?

[fathom obsidian]

Do I see 2 cats arguing?

[rapid furnace]

we need more mods like this because these foucs icons are peak

[ivory hull]

doesnt fit the hoi4 artstyle tho

looks good tho

[violet veldt]

Idk if i was a leader id lie about them having like crazy stuff

In public

And to higher ups

[rapid furnace]

its like tno and tfr

[ivory hull]

exactly

[violet veldt]

The soldiers are being told the truth tho

[wide osprey]

yeah many german officers wrote in memoirs that they faced "waves of crazy russians" that attacked them without any weapons and with bare hands
since soviet archives were not available most people thought that's true, because no one said that it's not
and during cold war it was very effective to tell your people that those russians are so bad at war the throw men at battlefield without anything

[rapid furnace]

i would show germanys but the symbol is on almost every focus

[wide osprey]

🥱

[ivory hull]

whats the mod called?

[violet veldt]

They lost to that btw

[rapid furnace]

ill dm u

[violet veldt]

Beat them to berlin

Crazy

But can we not say "oh look at the casualties" they were putting folk in camps of course theres gonna be high casualties

The germans

[wide osprey]

only because of the american tanks ackshually 🤓

[violet veldt]

Makes no sense

Its an infantry support tank

Youre telling me that the ist had no infantry to support yet "was the reason they won the war"?

Its like

They didnt like

Yeah ik soviets are like that

They didnt let their people listen to western music

But like

At least have a few red army soldiers talk to other allied forces after the war

I thought capitalists could understand the concept of unequally distributing your army but i guess not

https://tenor.com/view/another-victory-commander-gif-13626552860289273131

/j

(Larping dw)

[fathom obsidian]

And I thought this server was no politics or ideological speeches

But i guess it's impossible in a hoi4 server

[heavy vigil]

what are you yapping about

[restive sable]

people find any excuse to try and spread their shitty worldview

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-gif-18046692

[atomic grove]

lets not pls

[atomic grove]

<@&846894118219022336>

wake up

[indigo oriole]

can someone explain me in 1 or 2h how navy works

[uncut pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/undertaker-coffin-just-woke-up-wwe-gif-5289384

Rule 6

In #server-rules

[storm axle]

If only paradox was that fast with fixing exploits that kills the balance like you guys punishing people here

[woeful knoll]

fixing cheese is useless

[storm axle]

Im talking about bugs that lets you have infinite supplies with no downsides

[lament plover]

is cruiser submarine worth it ?

[storm axle]

It was already reported but as always not fixed :/

[heavy vigil]

im asleep

[atomic grove]

now sleep

maybe

[modest furnace]

hi i need some support about game

how can i get that

[void eagle]

what happened to Stalin

[void eagle]

they lost so badly Zhukov is in power

[sly venture]

well this was easier then expected

[void eagle]

🤣🤣

[void eagle]

they gave me Vladivostok

[void eagle]

whats happening bro

[void eagle]

u cannot lose that baldy

[void eagle]

this is not tfr

[void eagle]

what's next the tsar

[modest furnace]

hoi 4 players are allergic to screenshotting

[void eagle]

I don't have discord in my PC

[wet orchid]

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[sly venture]

now what

[modest furnace]

no problem its just funny that most hoi4 players dont know how to screenshot its just a joke

[grave sonnet]

Its just one click away

But yeah most are allergic

[void eagle]

what is happening btw

[modest furnace]

its just funny atp

[storm axle]

What about invading uk as germany and while uk have supremacy and fleet raiding, 0 convoys are getting raided and germany have full supply?

There could be many places to use that bug

[wet orchid]

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[storm axle]

That one of the examples

[grave sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[void eagle]

as soon I release my puppet the Germans declared war

[void eagle]

I hate u Alexander Kerensky

[patent thistle]

uhm. thanks?

[wet orchid]

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[storm axle]

Take the state where the fleet is stationed then patrol with yours

Fleet will go out to sea

And you kill it

[void eagle]

hell yeah

[wet orchid]

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[storm axle]

Check with bombers

[void eagle]

20 destroyeys and pride of the fleet gone for Germany

[storm axle]

Port strike the fleets so you know were is the navy

[wet orchid]

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[storm axle]

Ye it shows the fleet on the top of the UI

[fair horizon]

Yeah but im busy rn so if you contact me later i can help

[fair horizon]

Do spy networks

[cursive oxide]

is there a plane than can do air battels and cas ?

with out dlcs btw

aslo pls help in help vc

[ivory hull]

no a plane can only do one task at a time

cas can cas and naval strike at the same time tho

for example

[fair horizon]

Fighter bombers, worse in every way than dedicated of both

[hoary oak]

This may have happened a while ago, I don't know.
Did they remove Torpedo's from Medium airframe aircraft?
https://gyazo.com/cccf8005337724be1b19dc8526f92e46
https://gyazo.com/57e93ad9fbcc06d006b2084e973e15f9

[livid cape]

anyone wanna run a game?

[worldly bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1052681744240881788/1330372640921354270/giphy.gif

[livid cape]

anyone??

[ivory hull]

vanilla or modded?

[livid cape]

vanilla

[livid cape]

without dlcs or mods?

[ivory hull]

why without dlcs?

[livid cape]

dont have them lol

[ivory hull]

i got them

[livid cape]

private call?

[ivory hull]

yea

[slow vortex]

does australia have good dlc

[coarse hull]

not much has been shown regarding the australia rework

#hearts-of-iron-news message

[dire quail]

I don't understand why I can't do this focus even tho Russia is annexed...

Did I puppeted something that cannot finish this focus?

[heavy vigil]

they exist

[shell turret]

what's the redness in the north of vladvostok

[dire quail]

Oh I'm blind

Okay that makes sense now

Thanks

[shell turret]

also at romania a little i guess

[cursive oxide]

WELP IM COOKED

run nr 2 and both times this happend

[wide osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-homer-scream-screaming-gif-27628567

[woeful knoll]

germany econemy crashes

theycant do autarky as ai

there is no way for them to win against allies post 1941 really

+italy invasion

[fathom shard]

yeah i'm pretty sure this is how historical germany goes

[languid saffron]

bro forgot

[languid saffron]

why did u puppet canada

couldve made an reich

[languid saffron]

mod?

[fallow bison]

Is it good that I just started yesterday and I conquered Yugoslavia and Suez Canal as Italy?

But got smacked by the allies

[sly venture]

niceee

[fallow bison]

I still don’t know how to play really

[spiral sphinx]

Poor albert

[molten forge]

hey any method do to german civil war quickly?

[woven gate]

cut off bavaria, get all your elite troops in the center and bum rush the czechoslovak border

then just rush berlin from there

[molten forge]

am an idiot can you explain?

[woven gate]

alright so you see the czechoslovak border?

[molten forge]

yes

reach that?

[woven gate]

go ahead and get your panzers ready

from the center of your front rush to there

you'll have cut off southern germany

then with those troops tied down, you can use your panzers to go to berlin

[red sun]

W

[weak magnet]

I am always having trouble with passing the benelux

they always seem to reinforce it

whats the plan here? do I go netherlands, belgium, luxemburg, or all at once?

[wide osprey]

ok can we finally make divisions NOT ATTACK THE ENEMY PROVINCE while strategic redeploying 😭

[weak magnet]

if u want ur game to lag

like crazy :p

[cursive oxide]

its 1945

44

[wide osprey]

ok can we also have improved frontline management so i can tell my guys to retreat to the river without braking the whole frontline 😭 🙏

no way 😭

ok guys i think uuuuuh i'm not that good to ply with sheep's mod
hmmm yeah i think yeah

[weak magnet]

what is sheep mod

[wide osprey]

it is mod that 'improves' ai

[weak magnet]

ah isee

[woven gate]

it makes the ai crazy good

[sudden thistle]

It’s just a little better

Just a tad

[weak magnet]

how can i help make it better i am AI enthusiast

or is it not possible

[sudden thistle]

I would say try the mod first

And do a game without immediately asking how to do everything as well

Better starting experience

[weak magnet]

dude i cant even capitulate france as germany

ive tried 4 runs

I have no clue what im doing wrong

and aint nobody give me support ;(

[sudden thistle]

And you asked to help develop the AI?

But show a screenshot

[weak magnet]

yes i can help with that

[sudden thistle]

When u get there

[weak magnet]

let me send u an ss of my previous game

i actually know what the issue is, i think

[sudden thistle]

If u cant cap France in vanilla u cant help at all for sheep’s

[weak magnet]

does it make sense to say i cannot offensive line through france since netherlands is not part of the Allies?

[quiet vessel]

any mods that make historical ussr more fun

besides obvious like rt56

[weak magnet]

when i capitulate the netherlands, the line messes up, and furthremore belgium

so idk how to deal with this

if needs be i can send in the ask-for-help

[sudden thistle]

It doesn’t matter

[weak magnet]

ok dont be mean

[sudden thistle]

Do u declare on all the Benelux at once

[sudden thistle]

I’m not?

[weak magnet]

no i do not

sorry was being saracastic

[sudden thistle]

I’m just saying people will help either way

[weak magnet]

i do netherlands first

also, let me send an ss first this was my third attempt

this attempt i did it very historically aligned with delcarations of wars and stuff

[sudden thistle]

Kill the Dutch first, set up frontline on Belgium

[weak magnet]

i have no idea, how in 1940 august there are this many divisions

[sudden thistle]

U can literally battleplan 12 divisions into the Dutch and u will win

[weak magnet]

dude i did i went overkill

but they had forts and were entrenched

honestly, slight issue was lack of supply from trains at first, but still had supply up there

[sudden thistle]

Did u actually attack?

[weak magnet]

yes i did

[sudden thistle]

The Dutch are genuinely the easiest to kill in Europe

[weak magnet]

I know it seems like that setup should steamroll them

i know they are

something weird happened there tho idek what happened

they had like 40-50 divisions

I didnt even know this was possible

[sudden thistle]

Show ur infantry/tank division

[sudden thistle]

Yeah I have no clue what you did wrong?

[weak magnet]

not sure if its good but

i dont really understand this stuff all that much yet but i assumed this should be ok

[oak mantle]

nah its not good ima be real with u but it will probably be enough for ai

[weak magnet]

good to me is good for ai

[oak mantle]

in tank divisions you want, id say personally at least 33 org so you should add more motorized/mechanized

[weak magnet]

ok i see

[oak mantle]

but

the thing with that is combat width

[weak magnet]

i was gonna mention this

[oak mantle]

id recommend 36 combat width for ur divisions

[terse skiff]

Just look at pins in help channel

[oak mantle]

tank divs

[weak magnet]

no this is like ruining it for me

id rather have someone tell me its bad and tell me what to do

otherwise i feel like monkey see monkey do

and for a game this will make me feel like an addict

[terse skiff]

Because the pin tells you what to do

[sudden thistle]

It could also be 3x better…

[terse skiff]

It gives you the tank designs and templates

[oak mantle]

of course it could but

hes new obviously

[weak magnet]

fair enogu hthen

also

[sudden thistle]

10/8 (10 tank) (8cav/mech) works well

[weak magnet]

i gotta stop iron man moding this

[oak mantle]

u can get 2k soft attack spgs with terrible hp and decent org if u want

[weak magnet]

bc i keep having to restart

[sudden thistle]

That why we are helping

[weak magnet]

i would rather have saves from half years or some shit to go back to

[terse skiff]

Hp is more important than org

[oak mantle]

helping isnt giving a new player the meta

[terse skiff]

I'd rather have 25 org and 250 hp than 40 org and 150 hp

[oak mantle]

he wont understand why u put what u put into it

[sudden thistle]

281 soft x3 is not 2k meta soft attack

[weak magnet]

hm i see

let me think

i mean i also did some other stuff

to help me like intelligence agency

[terse skiff]

Most people don't care about the reasoning behind a 10 yr old map game

[oak mantle]

what

[terse skiff]

If he wants to know why then he can ask

[weak magnet]

i have genuinely no idea why i could not push

why were there 40 divisions in the netherlands, or 50 but i encircled 10

i have never seen this and i declared war in april 1940

[terse skiff]

Air and supply are the problems

[weak magnet]

i think supply was the issue there

hmm, furthermore i am having trouble with germany to produce planes by 1940

[terse skiff]

For player Germany against ai you don't need tanks. Tanks are just for style points

[sudden thistle]

Were you using any mods?

[weak magnet]

no i do not use mods

[oak mantle]

ig bro

[sudden thistle]

Anything different?

[weak magnet]

to clarify, can 50 divisions be possible with AI?

because maybe it is not a problem of game but just luck

[sudden thistle]

For the Dutch by 1940

[weak magnet]

it is historical

[sudden thistle]

Not really

[oak mantle]

the amount of divs a country has becomes unnecesary past a certain point

[terse skiff]

You need to build synthetic rubber plants as Germany unless you early war Netherlands

[sudden thistle]

They get like 20ish by then

[weak magnet]

yeah i actually did too

[weak magnet]

exactly

[sudden thistle]

Wait

[weak magnet]

i actually reckon i'll just early war them next time

[terse skiff]

Do you have bba? If you do maybe your plane design is a problem

[sudden thistle]

Right click on the Dutch

And check their divs

[weak magnet]

let me go do that but i saw 30-50

[sudden thistle]

It may be other countries divs blobbing with the Dutch

[sudden thistle]

So it combines and shows the Dutch flag

[weak magnet]

this is after i encircled 15 now

yes this was what i thought

[heavy vigil]

hi chat

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/prussia-victory-prussian-victory-gif-20974358

[weak magnet]

but it was actually dutch east indies

that had a bunch more

which to me, i have never seen as well

[sudden thistle]

How did u attack them

Because u can just put 24 divs on them and battleplan

Easily

[steel zephyr]

poland joined allies right after capitulating 😢

[weak magnet]

i have guderain with motorized and tanks, and pushed from the belgium side from the bottom

[steel zephyr]

france is in my faction atleast

[weak magnet]

at the time i had full supply

[terse skiff]

Convert your motorized into tanks or inf divisions

[weak magnet]

But to be fair, i do not think i had air support , i sent my cas but forgot to send my fighters so maybe that messed with me

[sudden thistle]

I would say don’t do Ironman, but try again

[terse skiff]

Motorized divisions are for grinding both cav and panzer leader in Spanish civil war

[weak magnet]

i see okay

this game is overwhelming when you try aye

20 things u need to manage

jesus

gonna start playing in 3 speed

[terse skiff]

Just follow bittersteels newbie Germany guide or the beginner guide in help pin

[weak magnet]

i do know the basics is the issue

[heavy vigil]

quite a lot. more

[weak magnet]

like whatever bittersteel mentions i know

[heavy vigil]

i usually kinda forget spies so im trash

[weak magnet]

i have a lot of hours

[terse skiff]

Well playing in 5 speed during a war is a problem

[sudden thistle]

U can pause too

[weak magnet]

this is true, this is bad habit more than anything

[terse skiff]

Can you recreate it?

[sudden thistle]

Do yall not do pause micro 😭

[terse skiff]

If you can't then you don't know it

[weak magnet]

well i slow down to 1 speed to micro

[terse skiff]

No I just 5 speed barb as ussr

[heavy vigil]

look at this cool new helpful image for which division stats are related to each other

[weak magnet]

what

[craggy trail]

[weak magnet]

i dont understand portugese...

no but i know all of this

well

not all, to be fair

[heavy vigil]

its colour coded

[terse skiff]

Can you do what bittersteel did? Seems like you can't so you don't know what he did

[weak magnet]

i have watched a few videos of him and other than the navy i can more or less nail it down

my issue is more blending everything together

[terse skiff]

When you can recreate what bittersteel did you can say you know his stuff well

[weak magnet]

its always some bullshit too like in my first attempt they bombed my trains

isnt he that bald guy

thats goated

[terse skiff]

That means you didn't manage air like bittersteel did

I think you're talking about alex

[weak magnet]

im gonna go watch jimarkus for tips

[weak magnet]

could be

nono its not bittersteel i was talking about, for sure

so my mistake there

[terse skiff]

Segl is also good

Maybe 71cloak has some stuff that still holds but he left 4 yrs ago

[languid saffron]

I got the balkan crisis but I wont intervene

[sudden thistle]

Segl is a bit too far

[weak magnet]

also is anschlussing earlier generally fine?

i try do this then focus on industry until i do the czech then danzig

[heavy vigil]

waht

[heavy vigil]

yes

i usually do it in 36 if i play ger

[terse skiff]

Usually getting it earlier is better unless you're waiting for certain breakpoints (like waiting for Tannu Tuva to do industry focuses then annexing them as ussr, which is why sometimes people early war Finland and give Tannu Tuva a province in Finland because generic focus tree countries rush industry focuses if they have >1 provinces

[wide osprey]

[fair horizon]

Its honestly not that much different from spanish

Like if you can read one you can get the gist of both

[woeful knoll]

lets goooo

thank you feedback gaming

[charred cosmos]

I want to do the achievement "I'm just passing by". I own Bornholm (small island next to Denmark), Bermuda, Galapagos Island, Madagascar, Province of Aden and East Timor, but it does not fullfil the achievement

[languid saffron]

no one on the border

Italy collapsed so easily

I regained ww1 territories

and some austria land

[vocal bolt]

italy civil war is stupid imo

just makes them piss easy to invade

and makes it annoying to fight them when you got allies

bc they might just give the puppet to your ally

[languid saffron]

They already did civil war

Atleast I won france

they went facist

greece is splitted

[weak magnet]

i also wanted to ask, how should armies be split typically?

should i aim to fill up the /24 or /30?

[languid saffron]

ussr lost

[weak magnet]

i understand for example if you have a general better with armor, no need to fill up just dedicate armor + mech for him, but for other generals what should i do

[languid saffron]

they stole my flag

[fathom oyster]

No that's they will bring Adolf because eight of did not die he actually managed to escape to Argentina and I'm not joking You can bring back the fourth reich

[tardy marten]

why cant i change my unit model?

[sly venture]

FU

sneaky war

[jaunty grail]

had a stroke trying to read this

[sly venture]

what is this

[languid saffron]

I am a bit collapsing

[strong belfry]

iguess bro

[sly venture]

...

[toxic cypress]

the goal is 80%

[languid saffron]

what country

[ivory hull]

looks like chile

[languid saffron]

ohhh

[weak magnet]

i am back, and have done better this time

[queen skiff]

any one now playing hoi4

[weak magnet]

yes me

this is what i have now , the only thing i did different was the division was 36 width instead of 20

[sudden thistle]

So what was the issue

[weak magnet]

and also more focus on planes

planes was the issue

i had forgotten to send my fighters and my cas got demolished

[sudden thistle]

That’s still an issue in sp?

[weak magnet]

now i reckon barbarossa will be challenging

[languid saffron]

Bro created wrong german poland🥀 💔

[weak magnet]

yea idk, i think there was a lot of messed up stuff

[sudden thistle]

Ehh not really

[weak magnet]

why

[weak magnet]

supply is not an issue?

[languid saffron]

U couldve create an other puppet

[weak magnet]

no this one is better

[languid saffron]

but u get more land

[sudden thistle]

Oh it is

[weak magnet]

the reichkommasart is not as good as this

i think

[sudden thistle]

But u can just avoid that

[languid saffron]

its good

[weak magnet]

but this is an actual puppet

like no resistance

cuz i got 100% collaboration

[weak magnet]

how

i was gonna do it with france too, but the guy trying to save my spy got killed

so i guess thats sad

[languid saffron]

Js wait for puppet annex

[sudden thistle]

Rush supply hubs

Oh yeah

Do u have the spy dlc

[languid saffron]

and create the other owe

[sudden thistle]

If so

[weak magnet]

yes

[sudden thistle]

Make collab on so s

[tardy marten]

why cant i change unit models anymore?

[languid saffron]

one

[sudden thistle]

Sovs

[weak magnet]

this is that

xd

just a different name since i did with la resistance collaborations

[weak magnet]

why should i do that?

like a collab with the sovs

does it help the attack, or just for collaboration

[sly venture]

they killed 30 divsions somehow they have to go

IS THIS PRIME LEBRON?????

[split bane]

Makes it easier for them to surrender

[sudden thistle]

Lowers surrender limit

It’s practically mandatory for Soviets

Or the USA

[terse skiff]

Because it gives compliance equal to your collaboration level and raises surrender limit by 30% of collaboration level

[radiant breach]

somone tryna play

[toxic cypress]

modded chile

thought this would give it away

[umbral vessel]

So Czechoslovakia is guaranteed independence by Romania, and Romania is guaranteed by France. If I attack Czechoslovakia, would that draw me into a war with Romania and then also France?

[winged field]

just a quick note the guarantee from romania usually drops after germans take sudetland

so you can attack them without no one joining

[proud tapir]

Only Romania

theres no chain guarantee, and it makes sense since you technicaly didnt attack Romania. Romania attacked you after you attacked someone else

[winged field]

france usually joins tho anyway

[proud tapir]

Only if Czechoslovakia joins the allies tho

[winged field]

yeah

[proud tapir]

Depends when you attack Czechoslovakia, but i dont think they should immedieatly join the allies

so it would only put you to war with Czechoslovakia and Romania

[winged field]

they dont, but it can drag out a lot if he doesnt have mounaineers

slovakia mountains are pain

[winged field]

assuming you are playing hungary try to take bratislava as soon as possible cuz if german join you wont have enough war score for slovakia at peace conference

[sly venture]

finally

[umbral vessel]

oki thanks

Gonna go after it now

[karmic viper]

@zenith plover

[woven ore]

games shit i played as italy and followed the tutorial and lost to ethipia

ass game

im going back to crusader kings

[sly venture]

The tutorial sucks

[woven ore]

It didn't do anything

i had 4x the units and more advanced tech and somehow lost

[sly venture]

I would recommend playing as Germany if you want because you choose what you do and are not forced in a war immediately

it is also the most powerful of its neighbours

[woven ore]

It doesn't really help either way doe since nothing teaches how to fight wars

[wide osprey]

ayo why there's no good barbarossa mod

😟

[dusky burrow]

oof that's like 3500 ic lost right there

[prisma saddle]

there is no way for inading uk

really help

[dusky burrow]

get dedicated marines

also yeah the uk is stacked

you may have to pull off amtrac tanks

[wide osprey]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaait
can you akshually land somewhere with these commando guys and then send fake division there to pretend like there are thousand of them just to fool the enemy

🧐

[dusky burrow]

those are commandos?

[prisma saddle]

what😭?

[wide osprey]

no?

[prisma saddle]

scotland

[wide osprey]

i mean

there is marine units that can retreat without ports

[sudden thistle]

the spy divisions

[wide osprey]

but that's not the point

[sudden thistle]

?

[weak magnet]

can you?

i didnt know that

so you get encircled and instead of overrun you retreat?

[wide osprey]

mmmmm

let me check

yeah

[dusky burrow]

Yeah in general you should go down this path and then the right path for air superiority

[viscid mason]

Are marine commandos any good? I only use the marine commandos path for the amphious mech production tbh

[dusky burrow]

They are basically somewhat worse marines, but you can do funny srtats with thrm

[viscid mason]

As expected

[dusky burrow]

You can imagine them be useful in low supply areas where you may get pushed out, like chukotka

[wide osprey]

why the hell is fighting in chukotka

[dusky burrow]

I should say Britain is also a place where they are useful

because if you can maintain naval supremacy and can't win on land you can just encirlce British divisions, leave, and then repeat

[prisma saddle]

is impossible

[dusky burrow]

also britain does fit the same criteria as chukotka

if you think about it

[prisma saddle]

i also tried in scotland and there is no way to neither take a bit of land

[celest dirge]

DAMM these mf just keep grinding me

[dusky burrow]

playing with a mod?

[prisma saddle]

I DID IT

I LOVE YOU SHORE BOMBARDAMENT

[dusky burrow]

the hard part is keeping a force on the british mainland, not naval invading by itself

[prisma saddle]

neverminde..

[viscid mason]

Make sure you cap britian before they send every division there. Also make sure you have- nevermind

[celest dirge]

World ablaze, idk why i thought this was a good idea.

[dusky burrow]

ah i see

world ablaze confuses me

that said, the fundamental mechanics are still the same

[sly venture]

I’ve been lowkey only playing Germany what is another country I should try

[dusky burrow]

the British ai will continue force attacking you, so it serves you right to build a defensive line before the one you have right now and entrench

[sly venture]

I wanna do another world conquest

[dusky burrow]

you're in scotland so you have mountains

[sly venture]

What are you trying to do

[viscid mason]

That org is bad from the looks of it

[viscid mason]

Soviet union or japan?

[sly venture]

Make space marines

[dusky burrow]

yeah that too

you're probably going to lose the tile

[worn hollow]

can someone kinda show me how to play hoi4 again i feel like im losing skill again bc of the AIs being weird

[sly venture]

is this a good template

[worn hollow]

instead of setting up 1 naval invasion try setting up like 5

its what i do

so british divisions are more divided

[prisma saddle]

there are like 5 div on every tile

what i am even supposed to do

[sly venture]

also set like decoy invasions

[worn hollow]

i usually invade from the eng channel but

i put it on 2 speed and micro

[prisma saddle]

yea ok byt you dont micro if every tile have someone

[worn hollow]

try invading from the english channel

[sly venture]

Why don’t you invade from English Channel

There is also a bug that makes all the Royal Navy dissapear

but I would not recommend using it

[worn hollow]

quick question

i have historical ai on but when i play as germany italy decides to go to war with france in 37

why does that happen

its like the ai has a mind of its own

[sly venture]

idk this has never happened to me

[worn hollow]

ill lyk if it happens again

ima try taking off all mods and playing in ironman mode

[sly venture]

only weird thing that has happened to me in historical is

British troops not getting pierced

which idk how it happened

[prisma saddle]

now i try..

[worn hollow]

i make my german divs bulky

i can show u my temo

p

[prisma saddle]

falied again

my god

[sly venture]

WHAT IS THIS BRO

[worn hollow]

try doing another save

[prisma saddle]

no save

[worn hollow]

superior firepower

🤑

[sly venture]

this is what I use almost always

[worn hollow]

i also use field hospitals

[worn hollow]

fair

funny thing is idk how to use tanks as germany

[worn hollow]

logistic companys too

i spam inf

[sly venture]

idk this sounds extremely expensive

[worn hollow]

well its mainly bc of mefo bills but i dont build civs

atleast as germany

[gaunt garden]

Bulgarian democratic tree is the most fun and best democratic focus tree by how fun it is in my opinion

[worn hollow]

i let my focus tree and autarky take over

[sly venture]

What is the farthest you have gone as Germany

[worn hollow]

i won

i puppeted the US

ill send ss

[gaunt garden]

Like you have to integrate the parties and to turn super stable then slowly unify the Balkans by nothin ,just factions

[prisma saddle]

so what are the bets point s for invade uk?

[sly venture]

what I do is I put 2 naval invasions around Dover

[sly venture]

Also make a good airforce

to take out the navy

[sly venture]

how did Japan not justify on you

[worn hollow]

also ignore italy i got kinda angry

[woven gate]

get air superiority and drop paratroopers

take a port and flood it with your army

[worn hollow]

bc they stole all the victory points

[worn hollow]

funny story actually

idk

[gaunt garden]

I'm so bad at hoi4 Poland genuinely got Berlin and I took Warsaw at the same time as they have Berlin and France got the rhineland

[sly venture]

When I take the ussr they always justify on me and I have to delay the us invasion by 2 months

[fathom shard]

invade the usa before sov

[sly venture]

no

[fathom shard]

yes

[sly venture]

Last time I did that I could not push 2 tiles

on the ussr

[fathom shard]

when did you invade them

[sly venture]

Early 1940

[fathom shard]

dude use tanks lmao

[sly venture]

I usually use this

[fathom shard]

with no tanks???

[sly venture]

yes

[prisma saddle]

are you really saing paratropper if i cant even land with anvy

omg

[sly venture]

I never use tanks

[fathom shard]

that's why you're losing bro

you don't want to make big offensive pushes on the ussr

[sly venture]

I’ve done a world conquest 2 times doing that

[fathom shard]

youd want to make encirclements with your tanks

[woven gate]

you don't need a navy to beat britain if you go by air

[fathom shard]

doesn't mean it's optimal

[sly venture]

using those divisions I was overrunning them on every front

And took Moscow in 5-7 months

[prisma saddle]

the have too many divions making area defense

[fathom shard]

you just told me you couldn't push them 2 tiles in early 1940

[fathom shard]

yeah and like 1M casualties

[sly venture]

last time I capped the Soviets I had 1 million casualties and they had 6 million

[fathom shard]

thats a pretty bad ratio

you should have like 50k casualties

100k maybe

[wide osprey]

😟

[sly venture]

nvm this was the last

[fathom shard]

and you do that by using tanks!

[fathom shard]

thats a 1:5 ratio bro

[sly venture]

I mean it’s better then the first time I invaded them

(we don’t talk about the first time)

[sly venture]

What is a good armor template/tank template

[nova horizon]

32 Width half tanks other half mech/motorised

[prisma saddle]

a

shit

i did it

omg

[graceful citrus]

Whats is a tank if they’re weak?

-# -Socrates probably

[charred sparrow]

What are the best dlcs?

[hollow yacht]

any

hos

t

[snow rain]

watch the fuel

no fuel = air doesn't work and navy gets killed by a single destroyer

[snow rain]

#historical-multiplayer #alt-history-multiplayer

[woven gate]

make a better division template or get more Paratroopers on the field

[hollow yacht]

no onè

[vague abyss]

I wonder if its possible with the new ship targetting system if we can just make it where we send like 10 subs to go sink carriers

[fathom shard]

a tank that is weak

[agile dirge]

Js light tanks

[fathom shard]

classic

this works just as good as anything in singleplayer

with some modifications in the support companies

[last cave]

yooo finaly

[woven gate]

if tanks are your power, what are you without them

[fathom shard]

socrates

[last cave]

if words are your power then what are you without them

[fathom shard]

a thinker

[last cave]

what are you without daily dose💉of hoi4😳

[random needle]

Anyone know how to uh

build up a decent navy

[woven gate]

depressed

[fathom shard]

free

[last cave]

free and hoi4 in the same sentence

[fathom shard]

i want to quit this game but it won't let me

[last cave]

i dont want to quit the game but im forced for a while

[fathom shard]

200 hours on it in 2 weeks

[random needle]

How do I make a decent navy and army as a country with a shit one

[last cave]

i have 2000 in 2 years

[random needle]

It’s pretty fun when you tryout nations you haven’t or paths

[fathom shard]

ive tried everything thats relevant

[last cave]

since new dlc if your not a major just forget navy

[random needle]

What did it do to navy?

[last cave]

major rework

[random needle]

Oh

Like only the big countries??

[fathom shard]

make it 10x harder to manage

[random needle]

Navy is pretty easy just spam guns ngl

I haven’t played a Germany fascist game in a while

[fathom shard]

no i mean like managing missions

[random needle]

?

[fathom shard]

you have to make separate groups for each region now

[last cave]

no like everything, i mean that only majors are capable to create decent navy

[fathom shard]

it's annoying

[last cave]

also u need terryfying 60 percent of naval dominance😱

[random needle]

Oh

[fathom shard]

this is why you just steal uks and vichys

[random needle]

So Germany is good to make a navy and USSR

[last cave]

USSR and creating a navy in the same sentence💉 🌿

thats Sikh!

dammmm

i mean what did i expect from a hoi4 player✌️

[fathom shard]

i think this got it wrong though cause i'm less oriented torwards authority than it shows

[last cave]

sure sure

[fathom shard]

i don't think it influences anything

[last cave]

i started symphatizing communism because of it💔

even tho it killed 1/3 of mine nation

💔

[steel zephyr]

what getting reinforcememed out of berlin does to a guy

[fathom shard]

you're only a communist until you realize what it actually is

[last cave]

untill you get hungry

i dont understand

[fathom shard]

it's not that hard to understand

[split bane]

I don't want to mini mod or anything but this is def a rule 2 violation

[last cave]

i think i do but im not completly sure

[violet veldt]

Alr alr

Im back

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-unity-gif-21471529

[violet veldt]

I see why you tell me not to put line arty in my holding divisions

[last cave]

what can this possibly mean

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/guitar-god-rock-and-roll-edward-van-halen-guitarist-eddie-van-halen-gif-9571340690086318565

[violet veldt]

British infantry puts line arty in their divisions

My inf does better than theirs for holding

They keep on using it for pushing

At war with germany rn

Waiting to uhh

Make tanks

(Kaisserreich)

[sudden thistle]

Sure

[last cave]

crazy pfp bro

[sharp sierra]

you talk like obamna

[violet veldt]

Idk i feel like anti communists dont know what communism is and marxist leninists dont know what communism is

[violet veldt]

Hey uhh

Im gonna break it down for you mark

[sharp sierra]

gotta have them ribs

[sly venture]

niceee

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/plaza-rule-255-obama-gotta-have-them-gif-15224937647851907093

[last cave]

not paradroping french in 1937🥀

[sharp sierra]

yugoslav puppet 💀

most useless focus

[split bane]

Hey uhh
Lemme be clear

[sharp sierra]

ha hey idiot you suck at the game whyd you do this that way instead of the good way

[violet veldt]

Nah nah wait

Puppet through focus?

[sharp sierra]

yea you could just do other focuses to get stronger and invade everybody anyways

i remember doing a few collab governments on yugo before i attacked them one game that seemed to be pretty good

to annex them fast in order to form rome

[violet veldt]

Idk how to play italy

[sharp sierra]

igaly

[violet veldt]

Who up ita they ly rn

[uncut pollen]

A filter bypass?

[inland falcon]

his name is blocked?

[ripe slate]

@fathom shard Go read #server-rules
@sharp sierra No politics

[knotty vortex]

bruh iran lowk difficult

[ripe slate]

Starting army is quite ass IIRC

[knotty vortex]

i try to invade turkey?

ALLIES.

[inland falcon]

middle eastern countries in general suck because of the evil and intimidating british guarantee

[ripe slate]

which is good otherwise theyd not fall apart in 1941 as they should

[knotty vortex]

india, kuwait, iraq, turkey

genuinely just get obliterated

[heavy vigil]

and eco

and borders large

and supply system bad

cant attack turkey cuz no supply and their everything starts better

cant invade iraq because of the british

cant invade raj because of the british

afghanistan has no supply and gets spawn ins in defensive wars

cant invade ussr because ussr

but its chill you can win

[languid saffron]

is this rare

[zealous lynx]

Guys

IMPORTANT QUESTION

Right now it needs to be answered

This instant

Okay so which path for iran is better

[split bane]

Well since only 0.8% of people did it, yeah
It's not too hard tho, people just don't research the bouncing bombs

[zealous lynx]

First iranian empire or third persian emire

[languid saffron]

I got rarer one

[inland falcon]

tudeh party

[zealous lynx]

It'd be cooler if you could answer my question tho

[zealous lynx]

You aswell

[split bane]

First Iranian
No reason other than larp

[languid saffron]

third

[zealous lynx]

So persia is just larp

From what im seeing

Iranian is just a better persia off of stats

[inland falcon]

all of hoi4 is larp

[zealous lynx]

But everybody is playing persia so idk

[woven gate]

i just play the Dominions

so i guess i larp as the most hottest peak dude ever

[split bane]

Never actually played it tbh
Just saw videos but Iran looks better stat wise

[inland falcon]

larping as britains pet dogs

[zealous lynx]

German Empire larp is easily the best germany larp path

[zealous lynx]

Okay

[woven gate]

larping as britain's saving grace, more like

[zealous lynx]

Whats better 3rd persian or 1st iranian

[woven gate]

i can also play the US though

[zealous lynx]

You too answer

[woven gate]

dunno i don't play iran

[zealous lynx]

Okay

[zealous lynx]

What about you

[sudden grotto]

how berlin conference should have been

[zealous lynx]

Whats better 1st iranian or 3rd persian for iran

[inland falcon]

be different, break the cycle, play the tudeh party

[woven gate]

this but it's all the US

[sudden grotto]

mohammed vs reza ?

[zealous lynx]

Yeah

[woven gate]

besides the moroccans they can have half

[sudden grotto]

i always picked the son becayse he seemed more OP

[zealous lynx]

Bela Kun >>>>>>>>>

[sudden grotto]

my US:

[zealous lynx]

So the persia guy

[inland falcon]

waiter, waiter, more paths with trotsky as the leader please

[sudden grotto]

ye

[zealous lynx]

Yeah can i get a Serbian empire focus tree

[zealous lynx]

Hey you

You cant just not answer me

[inland falcon]

yugoslavia desperately needs a new tree tbh

they don't even have a proper historical tree

[zealous lynx]

Whats better 1st iranian or 3rd persian empire hoi4

[sudden grotto]

jsut let me cook fr

[zealous lynx]

The things they could do with yugoslavia tho

[inland falcon]

more tito

[zealous lynx]

Proper historic tree, serbian empire, greater serbia, kingdom of serbia montenegro, serbia and what else

Did i mention greaterer serbia?

[sudden grotto]

europe how it should always been

[zealous lynx]

Anything but handing me an answer batko

[inland falcon]

New Macedonian empire out of Skopje

[sudden grotto]

for what ? i said persian lad lol

[zealous lynx]

Oh okay

So persia it is

[zealous lynx]

Greater bosnia

[snow rain]

me when I learn berlin conference set up rules to occupy land and didn't carve any territory up that wasn't already occupied 😭

[zealous lynx]

Dioclea for monte

[sudden grotto]

poison for my eyes

[zealous lynx]

Kingdom of Croatia maybe

[inland falcon]

Bosnia is already great, it doesn't get better

[zealous lynx]

Each republic could have a special focus

[zealous lynx]

Hmmmmm

[sudden grotto]

what if germany had the same demands of portugual at the conference

[zealous lynx]

How about

More burek sa sirom

Sorry i mean sirnica

[inland falcon]

600 albanian focuses

[zealous lynx]

What if they instead go to Serbia

[inland falcon]

are you serbian by chance?

[zealous lynx]

You see

Back in 600

[sudden grotto]

looks at serbian firrst empire flag

[zealous lynx]

There where proto slavs

And they migrated to a region between czechia, poland and germany

Forming white serbia

[inland falcon]

i'm not european i dont know these things

[zealous lynx]

Then 1 brother took half of the tribe and migrated them to the byzantine empire

[grave sonnet]

Mr. Dušan Silni

[zealous lynx]

And formed the first Serbian state, Rascia

[snow rain]

there was no demands per say

They basically agreed that in order to claim some land there, you had to "occupy" it, which meant 1 - having a direct presence there or 2- having a treaty with a local lord (subjugation or protectorate)

The only land discussions per say were mainly between britain, france and italy around the mediteranean zone of influence and to settle the south africa border with portuguese and dutch merchants

[zealous lynx]

And also coastal principalities also formed

[grave sonnet]

Raška yeah

[zealous lynx]

Travunija, dioclea (duklja), paganija, zachumlija aka zahumlje aka hum

Anyway

Bulgaria decided to invade

[grave sonnet]

Zahumlje for ppl that don't know is Hercegovina

[zealous lynx]

Serbia resisted

But bulgaria eventually won and annexed serbia

[grave sonnet]

Didn't they get their ass beat by Dušan?

[sudden grotto]

thats a fun fact to me lol, didnt knew it

i thought it was

[zealous lynx]

Then caslav rebelled but to no avail

[sudden grotto]

more detailed

[zealous lynx]

Where talking 900 not 1300

Anyways

[grave sonnet]

Mb mb

[zealous lynx]

The byzantines kill bulgaria

And serbia rebelles against the byzantines

[sudden grotto]

bulgarian slayer mention ?

[zealous lynx]

Under the leadership of the one the only Stefan Vojislav

Initially he'd fail and get imprisoned in constantinople

But he escapes and goes back to serbia

[snow rain]

I thought so too, then I studied history in college

[zealous lynx]

Starts a second rebellion

But he dies

[inland falcon]

this is all well and good, but i still think albania deserves more focuses

[zealous lynx]

Although his son mihajlo continues his legacy and finished the rebellion in the decisive battle of bar

[quiet vessel]

hello

is Romania Redone a tuff mod name

[grave sonnet]

National spirit with something about Skanderbeg and it gives them 15% core defense or smth

[heavy vigil]

chat should i do my fav formable in vic3 or in hoi4

[inland falcon]

eternal dictatorship of Enver Hoxha

[zealous lynx]

Making the principality of dioclea

[sudden grotto]

romani legionari

[zealous lynx]

Mihajlo also conquers kosovo

Anyways

Then a serbian in bulgaria called constantine bodin

[quiet vessel]

shy

why

[zealous lynx]

Is selected to invade serbia

[grave sonnet]

Zeta is a more tuff name ngl

[sudden grotto]

dunno

[zealous lynx]

But he fails and gets sent to prison in constantinople

[sudden grotto]

totally casual

[grave sonnet]

Under communism yes

[zealous lynx]

But some venetian sailors rescue him and take him back to serbia

Where he becomes king

[sudden grotto]

bro be saying like crna gora aint

[zealous lynx]

And establishes a vassal in bosnia

[quiet vessel]

what about Really Really Cool Romania Mod Pls Play

[heavy vigil]

no one answered the world hates me :C

[zealous lynx]

Hoi4

[grave sonnet]

I would be sad if my country was named Black Mountain

💔

[inland falcon]

vic 2

[sudden grotto]

denis doesnt look really english to me

[sudden grotto]

hoi4

[heavy vigil]

no

[sudden grotto]

fr

[heavy vigil]

i really lowkey hate vic2

[inland falcon]

tax the poor or whatever

[heavy vigil]

its not about its eco lol

[sudden grotto]

why lol

[zealous lynx]

Thats enough history for today chat

[heavy vigil]

too much racist stuff

[zealous lynx]

Remember Vojislav is a good leader

[sudden grotto]

"Green line go UP GREEN LINE GO UP"
-Bokoen1 during German economic boom

[inland falcon]

does serbia have a future?

[zealous lynx]

Life sucks here

[sudden grotto]

gotta keep the 1800s feeling-

[grave sonnet]

Serbia is Serbia

[heavy vigil]

vic3 is on the line of being unplayable from it imo but its fine

[grave sonnet]

Jbg

[zealous lynx]

Da

Aj cc

[grave sonnet]

Cc

[sudden grotto]

me actually dying in 20 years and go bankrupt

[heavy vigil]

thats gameplay

[sudden grotto]

thats just a skill issue of mine

[heavy vigil]

just a few days ago i had my first ever playthrough where i didnt bankrupt or die

i came close to bankrupting after a small crash of 75% of the eco but it was solved

[sudden grotto]

75% 💔

what did bro do

[heavy vigil]

economy survived

[sudden grotto]

milions starved on the streets during teh crash.

[heavy vigil]

none starved