hoi4-general

[mystic nest]

literally everything changes in mp from unit templates to strategy

[void eagle]

hell nah soviet's getting pushed back by Belarus

[meager light]

oh I didn’t read MP

silly me

[void eagle]

🤣🤣

[hollow oriole]

and they managed to destroy the one in the english channel retreated my navy trying to destroy their supply lines because they landed

[meager light]

lukashenko stronggg

[hollow oriole]

got like 5k cas on mainland and 5k on english channel

i destroyed their entire navy in half a year

[mystic nest]

i love battleplanning with inf

[void eagle]

not even lukaşenko

[mystic nest]

litearlly the most braindead strategy ever

[void eagle]

it's free Belarus

[mystic nest]

no air support too

[meager light]

really loving medium aircraft right now

[mystic nest]

18w no flame tanks

[void eagle]

they reached Moscow

[meager light]

I used to just produce like pure light fighters and cas and have it destroyed every time because the enemy always had the numbers

and I skimped out on armour

[hollow oriole]

this was the battle

lol

[meager light]

heavy fighters with armour plates are like crack to me

especially midgame

well any time really

but they’re a bit crap to produce until improved variant

hey random question does anybody actually do air before they unlock improved variants and engine 3

[mystic nest]

no

[fair horizon]

some people do

[meager light]

I practically just ignore it and use whatever I have already

[hollow oriole]

i usually destroy them with jet engines

[fair horizon]

i dont even bother with air half my games

[hollow oriole]

lol

[mystic nest]

ive recently been slacking on air too lol

my past three playthroughs have had no air

[hollow oriole]

that's what they did in that MP game and they got destroyed

[fair horizon]

no plane mio for australia alt paths so w/e

[meager light]

I usually forget about special projects by the time I am in like a full world war

if I’m constantly in combat

[hollow oriole]

wait until someone pulls up the spreadsheet

😂

[mystic nest]

Australia gameplay 🥀

[hollow oriole]

people play australia

?

[mystic nest]

you only need 3 sps in singleplayer anyway

[meager light]

yeah actually who plays australia

[mystic nest]

flame tanks radar and cev

thats all you ever need

[meager light]

I usually never do flame tanks

or I’ll research it and just not make any

[void eagle]

I always do infantry

[meager light]

uh cool

who doesn’t do infantry

i mean if i have the oil and production capabilities I end up doing all-mech late game

[fair horizon]

i am an australia main

[weak magnet]

can yugoslavia core bulgaria and romania?

[meager light]

because you just trample enemies especially if you’ve got air support and subs

[weak magnet]

or was this a thing of the past

i know yugoslavia could core romania bulgaria and hungary

[mystic nest]

why

theyre broken

[mystic nest]

no one

[weak magnet]

flame tanks are not broken

[mystic nest]

you need inf to fill the frontline

[mystic nest]

????

[weak magnet]

what

[meager light]

I think with the dissolution path you can release transylvania and give them all of romanian transylvania

[mystic nest]

who is saying this 😭

[meager light]

but that’s not all of romania of course

[weak magnet]

what

[meager light]

I don’t think you can core romania proper

[weak magnet]

yeah i think so too

[mystic nest]

flame tanks are literally the best special project in the game

[weak magnet]

and?

how are they broken

[fair horizon]

id argue its shbb but yk

[meager light]

I’ve heard they’re good I just like never bother to produce

[mystic nest]

notbiasedatall

[meager light]

I used to not even do tanks really until a few months ago

[fair horizon]

not even a bit

[meager light]

I was just an artillery nerd

[mystic nest]

they give an insane amount of stats

for little ic

[meager light]

to be fair though imperial germany is spectacular for artillery

[weak magnet]

dont minmax

or ull get addicted

[mystic nest]

dude you cant just say somethings not broken while not caring about minmaxing

[weak magnet]

stage 1: denial

[mystic nest]

you can say that you dont care about their stats but why dispute something thats objectively true lol

[meager light]

I did an imperial germany WC that lasted until 1960 recently

[mystic nest]

kaiser?

[meager light]

I want to do another hoi4 game but I had a genuine headache at the end of it all

[meager light]

nah military dictatorship

[mystic nest]

this games incredibly boring sometimes

[languid copper]

if they mess up the Czech tree then charge us 20 dollars for it I will be very unsurprised

[mystic nest]

waiter waiter more micromanagement slop please

[meager light]

theres already a great czechoslovakia mod anyway what’s the point in a dlc for it

[weak magnet]

lithuania most op minor

[languid copper]

waiter waiter more rt56 dogshit please

[fair horizon]

i could care less if the czech players are unhappy

THEY STOLE MY AUSTRALIA DLC SPOT

[mystic nest]

brazil..?

[fair horizon]

I AM ALLOWED TO BE ANGRY AT CZECH PLAYERS

[weak magnet]

brazil is not a minor

idc what anyone says

[languid copper]

Australia is getting an update THIS QUARTER

[mystic nest]

is australia not getting a focus in tatg?

[languid copper]

chill

[weak magnet]

Gigantic ass country

[fair horizon]

THEY SWITCHED THEM

THAT WAS MY SPOT

[meager light]

I watched the expanse recently and the mars congressional republic inspired me to do military germany

[mystic nest]

the game literally defines it as a minor but aight man

[meager light]

because it’s cool

[weak magnet]

the game does a lot of things

[meager light]

we love military juntas

[languid copper]

bro it's like one month imagine the pain eu5 byzaboos are feeling not being able to glaze Rome in one of the five games for a whole three months

[fair horizon]

ITS NOT FAIR

ITS MY DLC

I SUFFER MORE THAN THE DEFAULT TREE

[weak magnet]

Why are there so many dlcs

and not releasing these in the base game

[fair horizon]

paradox

its the way they do things

[weak magnet]

Too many dlcs for basic things i dont even know whats part of the vanilla game anymore

[languid copper]

Paradox does that

Vic3 does it the least bad so props to vic3

[mystic nest]

its a pdx game lmao

[meager light]

I just pay for the subscription I earn enough money from work to justify it

[jagged totem]

Eh, better to have TaoG fully cooked

[mystic nest]

cant wait to buy stellaris then have to fork out a few hunded more dollars for the dlcs

[meager light]

I feel dirty actually buying all the dlc

[fair horizon]

they're gonna burn it now

[mystic nest]

and you jinxed it

[weak magnet]

what other nations other than lithuania can expand massively core-wise

[jagged totem]

Lol
I just hope my Indonesian ass can affort TaoG

[languid copper]

I am 99% sure they are using that to justify the absurd ass dlc prices

[weak magnet]

dude i swear yugoslavia could core hungary and romania at one point

what happened

[languid copper]

"don't like our 30 dollar slop show? the sub exists brokie"

[meager light]

philippines I suppose since they can get all of taiwan and the indies

[weak magnet]

now it sucks ass

[jagged totem]

I can't afford the monthly Subscription fee

[weak magnet]

true

[meager light]

which is pretty good population and more importantly resources

[mystic nest]

brazil

🔥

[fair horizon]

argentina, brazil, peru, ecuador/colombia/venezuela/panama bolivia, central america, dominican republic/haiti, greece, turkey, saudi arabia

theres a lot more but im bored of naming them so

[mystic nest]

literally half the south american countries lol

[weak magnet]

why do you play southamerica

[meager light]

how do you mean

[languid copper]

iirc, America funnily enough

[mystic nest]

because you can get 600 factories by 1943

[languid copper]

Unite the Unions

[weak magnet]

didnt they release the dlc for south america

[meager light]

once you’ve played one of them youve played them all

[weak magnet]

i think i have it

[mystic nest]

truth

[meager light]

every focus tree is just ‘fix the economy, unite south america’

[weak magnet]

true

[languid copper]

if you don't want to drop 30 dollars on a dlc MAYBE worth 20 then they direct you to the sub

[weak magnet]

i saw that

[fair horizon]

https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Formable_nations

[meager light]

oh yeah that makes sense

yeah I just don’t mind seeing it go out of my account every few months instead of dropping like upwards of £200 on it all

[fair horizon]

australia does not appear in that list btw but they can get cores on christmas island and nz if other nations let you (nz wont)

[jagged totem]

In 2021, i can afford No Step Back
But since Steam and Paradox refitting the prices, i can't afford BBA (it's twice as expensive)
Evenmore NCNS (thrice as expensive)

[meager light]

especially when half the DLCs kind of suck

[jagged totem]

Well, i know that Rupiah sucks, but come on, Valve

[mystic nest]

problem is pdx keeps confusing micromanagement slop

for complexity

literally no one asked for coal in its current form

its literally just another thing you press r and click and ignore

[meager light]

I just wish all the extra mechanics were integrated into base game

[fair horizon]

right a lot of people asked for it to be worse and paradox didnt let them have it

[meager light]

and I just wouldn’t play base game because mods do focus trees just fine

[languid copper]

man I can't wait for the US update because I KNOW they'll screw it up

it's gonna be so bad for them

[mystic nest]

its literally like just there as flavour text

[languid copper]

they'll delegate it to the rt56 devs calling it now

[jagged totem]

Well, if they depicted Henry Wallace's path negatively, i'll be angry too.

Or no Eleanor Roosevelt

[meager light]

paradox try not to make garbage slop content challenge

wait can I get banned for criticising our benevolent overlord

[languid copper]

no no dw she'll be mentioned as an advisor with some mid buff

[jagged totem]

I hope not

[meager light]

yeah they’d lose

[mystic nest]

no

[meager light]

excellent

[jagged totem]

Well, for my nation, i hope no "Emperor Sukarno restoring Majapahit Empire" path

(my fellow dumbass countrymen would still ate it up despite it is against everything Sukarno stands for 😭😭😭)

[languid copper]

oh it'll be MUCH worse

[meager light]

malaya will get a communist path that’ll be like ‘house people’ ‘make other countries communist’ ‘take revenge on the uk (this will be 5 focuses in when youve just came out of a civil war)’

[jagged totem]

And it would be through Tiktok clips since we can't afford HoI4 nowadays

[languid copper]

they'll name drop some evil ass movement as "the only future of our nation"

[languid copper]

Malaya isn't getting an update

[meager light]

seriously what is it with minor focus trees that put you through a brutal ass civil war and immediately afterwards you unlock a focus to kill all majors

[languid copper]

apparently it's less important than THE PHILLIPINES AND SWITZERLAND

[meager light]

and youve got like 6 militia divisions

[mystic nest]

cant wait to deal with the new generals mechanic

[jagged totem]

Probably due to my current username

I'm actually Indonesian

[meager light]

I think switzerland was like the single worst dlc

[mystic nest]

unless if theyve removed / changed it

[meager light]

at least the philippines fought in ww2

[mystic nest]

making generals work like navy hqs has to be the most annoying proposed idea ever

[jagged totem]

KNIL too

[meager light]

I reckon indonesia will get a garbage focus tree

unfortunately

[languid copper]

Italy Ethiopia Switzerland
we couldn't get no Yugo update no Axis minors no NOTHING?

[jagged totem]

And if not for Sukarno and Hatta's efforts, Indonesia would have 35 millions ppl instead of 71.

[meager light]

they’ll release it and it’ll be so shit people will just play the netherlands and intentionally die in ww2 so they can play the east indies that way

[mystic nest]

Genuinely more fun to watch paint dry than play Switzerland

[fair horizon]

axis minors have good trees (besides romania) lemme have my australia fix 😭

[meager light]

I think ethiopia is alright I just wish it wasn’t as clear cut as ‘ok congratulations on surviving italy now go fight the allies with your 15 militia divisions’

[languid copper]

yeah a lot of them got helped by GDR

[jagged totem]

Nope, I expect the devs to respect history.
I've already thrown so many popular books at them in the Plaza Forums

[meager light]

do you think they read books tgough

that’s the question

[languid copper]

I once beat Italy as Ethiopia then tried taking Sicily

it was AWFUL

[jagged totem]

I do, 40 and counting.

[meager light]

I mean they might respect history but that won’t make it fun

[meager light]

I mean the devs

I don’t mean this personally but do you think they’ll listen to you

or most others

[languid copper]

they read history books then spend zero seconds of their collective lives thinking about the implications or anything similar and implement it in 20 dollar dlcs

[jagged totem]

Nope, Indonesia is rife with materials
You can make it both fun and still respectful of historical plausibilities

[meager light]

I think you’re just putting too much faith in paradox

[jagged totem]

I can think around 9 good paths and 4 wacky ones
I expect the devs to do 5 goods and 2 wackys

Indonesia has that much historical materials

[meager light]

I expect the devs to mess up just like they did with uh let me see

afghanistan

iran

switzerland

ethiopia

[languid copper]

Brazil

[meager light]

yep brazil

chile

I would say the commonwealth but they are old to be fair

[jagged totem]

Only the civil war are sucks
They got the correct figures and groups

[languid copper]

having a thing where Iraq can become "Kurdistan" may be the craziest shit they did recently

[meager light]

yeah but the paths just aren’t especially fun

[languid copper]

do they know?

[languid saffron]

should I puppet it or annex

[meager light]

I want a syria focus tree where bashar travels back in time

[jagged totem]

Now you're jesting

[languid saffron]

fr we need middle east expansion

[meager light]

nuh uh

time travel is real syria made it

[languid saffron]

should I annex it or puppet it

[jagged totem]

Puppet and grab their factories and resources

[languid copper]

don't mention Bashar the mods will get you

[meager light]

sorry I didn’t know they were mossad agents

[languid saffron]

oil

[languid copper]

Cope party

[jagged totem]

Nice

[meager light]

didn’t this happen recently

I swear I read somewhere about it

[sudden thistle]

Ollie is real?

[languid copper]

I am?

[meager light]

iolie

oilie

I can’t spell very well bare with me

[languid saffron]

ik

[meager light]

you should puppet iran next

[fair horizon]

i dont mean to be ignorant but wasnt most of their history up to ww2 just being a colony?

[sudden thistle]

Sadly 😔

[languid saffron]

btw I gave alaska away and retook it

[meager light]

fantasy middle east (hoi4 edition)

[languid copper]

dude 🥀

[fair horizon]

i know nothing of that region besides australia tbh

[languid copper]

they should make an Indonesia path about the Kongsi I think that would be sick

[meager light]

I mean they were vital for resources to all the allied powers and I think a lot of indonesians took up arms once the japanese threat on their soil was real

[languid copper]

surprisingly less far fetched than like half the recent stuff

[jagged totem]

Well, the outsiders has some interesting political ideas

[languid saffron]

holy 2027 future map ahh

[jagged totem]

Sukarno, Thamrin, Anton van der Laaken, Tan Malaka, Huib van Mook, and many others....

[fair horizon]

yeah its a shame there wasnt more help from the greater powers but i do know of the ABDA

[meager light]

I don’t know much about their role in ww2 I just know a fair bit about the revolution

side note theres a song I listen to too often called oh palawanku

[languid saffron]

some chinese mf started ww2

[meager light]

about the indonesian revolution

[jagged totem]

Good song.
"Sorak-Sorak Bergembira" is also good

But our signature song from that era actually is "Bengawan Solo"

The Japanese made it famous throughout the occupied Greater East Asia

[languid copper]

we should make a dlc for 15 dollars about Saudi and Oman where they literally just sit there for 4 years discover oil then sit there for 8 years

[meager light]

uae dlc where they just invite british expats to earn money off of slave labour and pay no tax

[jagged totem]

Eh, I just hope that I can keep supporting the devs by making their contents affordable to us Indonesians

But well, better to replace my laptop's motherboard first before buying more DLCs.

[fair horizon]

krasna be angry that they switched our dlc with the czech dlc for time of release

OURS WAS NEXT

AND THEY TOOK IT

[jagged totem]

I'm not angry at all, though
Evenmore excited since they alloted more time for it

[languid saffron]

ussr is lowk cooked

[fair horizon]

czech player propaganda smh

[jagged totem]

More time to develop Indonesia, it's better

[fair horizon]

:)

[jagged totem]

The devdiary cycle for Graveyard of Empires was so short and we know what happened after that

[fair horizon]

i hate war council and invest in victory so much

[languid copper]

how the IJN was moving during and after Midway

[jagged totem]

I reckon more devtime for TaoG would be good

[fair horizon]

i dont think they're that bad tbh

[languid saffron]

will it get exploded?

[fair horizon]

i mean look at the SA dlc

[jagged totem]

Well, if anything, at least TaoG can be better than that

Hopefully

[fair horizon]

it all devolves into everyone forms SA as a nation

[jagged totem]

Since more devtime

[fair horizon]

if im blocked by world tension as australia ill be very angry

[languid copper]

leave the ball before the ball leaves you
the ball left Paradox four updates ago

[jagged totem]

What do you expect from a bunch of culturally-similar countries

At least the alternatives are neat, like the French path or Mapuches

[jagged totem]

Compared to that, Indonesia alone has 7+ paths that all can be historically plausible

(not counting the wackys)

[languid saffron]

all nukes lead to berlin

[fair horizon]

more nukes incase they thought you were sorry

[languid saffron]

I have 96 nukes btw

[molten forge]

time to play poland dlcless cause am brok

[languid saffron]

nah

facism in da big europe

[echo sequoia]

can someone please help me

[snow rain]

what do you need ?

[echo sequoia]

I was playing germany and went down the alliance with the USSR path

I started ww2 and by july 30th 1942 my faction just dismantled itself??

I have no idea what's causing it

Im the leader of it

Im not getting kicked out of it

it just completely implodes

Nobody even leaves it

[snow rain]

not too familiar with fac ction mechanics, sorry

[warm iron]

Just fix it with toolpackmod

[severe lion]

what tf is ts 💔

[severe lion]

@snow rain do you even have a idea what ts is meant to be

?

?

[quasi osprey]

💀

[molten forge]

you austrian?

[echo sequoia]

I cant get mods

[quasi osprey]

yes

[molten forge]

looks like a nice game, i was gonna play poland and go middle of april constitution

[snow rain]

Dday marines that lacked XP to be completed

[severe lion]

lmfao

[snow rain]

I'm deadass

[severe lion]

ik

[snow rain]

MP design, it's quite similar tbf

[red sun]

Can u tell me the name of this ww1 mod?

Wait

Ts aint’t ww1

😭🙏

Alr can anyone tell me the name of any WW1 mod??

I am looking for it and i can’t find normal mods

[snow rain]

TGW or TGWredux
FFU for multiplayer

[red sun]

Thanks!

[red sun]

Which one u would choose personally?

[quasi osprey]

1940

[muted marsh]

Rate my old encirclement

[grave sonnet]

Cinema of an encirclement

500k+ dead

Most likely

[green lodge]

why is yellow gng

[quasi osprey]

italy rn💀

[green lodge]

Did you release nuclear waste

Austria-Hungary type shit

[late valley]

the axis are looking pretty strong

[quasi osprey]

I revived the central powers

I guess it turned out pretty good

[late valley]

It did actually

U should invade the ussr

[quasi osprey]

probably but not rn

I need to rebuild and groow my industry

[idle jetty]

How do i get more man power

[late valley]

Damn

[quasi osprey]

they also created this

very large ukraine

[late valley]

ukraine is gonna take over the world

[late valley]

Like by the console command or what

U can do exstentive conscription

[vocal bolt]

you can also get rid of debuffs which is the main thing for most nations

[fallen hearth]

why every single time i disable historical AI some bs happen 💔

[cedar lance]

23 hrs left

till new pack comes out

[late valley]

True

[late valley]

historical ai off is so fun

The soviets always have a civil war

[loud shuttle]

are you also using the mod where the city names turn into the controlling country?

[fallen hearth]

no just 56

[fallen hearth]

well they didnt this time

staling just got off the power

every time i disable ai historical on 56 austria gets guarantees

it pmo

[late valley]

Lmao

[quasi osprey]

round two

[idle jetty]

How

Cuz i need more man power

Like no

W

[late valley]

On the nation tab

[idle jetty]

Then what

[late valley]

https://youtube.com/shorts/-aZBAhsPmig?si=j_jsc3wgFjNqmwHK

[idle jetty]

I WILL SCRAPE THE BARREL WITH MY MEN

[fathom shard]

napoleonic

[craggy dove]

probably communist

but napoleon the most fun

[quasi osprey]

good job benito

[fathom shard]

napoleon gets u way more early game conquests

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[craggy dove]

which nation is best for conquest and integrating the lands? one with good resistance and compliance buffs

i imagine its communist

[late valley]

Lmaoo

[fathom shard]

thing that's sad about napoleonic france is that late game you'll struggle with manpower alot

[heavy vigil]

@analog ivy

[fringe shell]

thanks britain

bro just why

i capped them and british had to relese it

[craggy dove]

how can japan join axis?

[fringe shell]

gng its democratic japan btw✌️

[craggy dove]

what 💀

[fringe shell]

nah

that cursed

im usa

[craggy dove]

bomb them again

[heavy vigil]

@snow rain @daring geyser minas geraes number one 11!!

[late valley]

yk how to use navy?

[heavy vigil]

my navy this game is trash

[late valley]

damn

[heavy vigil]

you wanna see the ship design that got the kills, i havent changed it

[late valley]

idk anything abt navy i play countries like ussr i use tanks and air planes
more

[heavy vigil]

terrible ship

[fringe shell]

no way im actualy having fun

its 42

japan already capped

[late valley]

Lmaoo

[languid saffron]

Finally thermonuclear strike on russia*

[heavy vigil]

ussr has a navy

[fallen hearth]

my god

[violet veldt]

"thermonuclear strike on germany"
hits moscow

[late valley]

which i dont use

[fringe shell]

bro

why im i so strong

[late valley]

what difficulty is this

[fringe shell]

normal

[late valley]

damn

[languid saffron]

they r surronded

[fringe shell]

yeah but i mean whole thing its 42 and japan already fell and i have done d day

[late valley]

How are the soviets doing

[languid saffron]

why da hell my game crahsing

crashing

[late valley]

thats not bad

[late valley]

what year

[fringe shell]

nah but seeing democratic japan in AXIS and at war with SOVIETS is just brutal...

[languid saffron]

1952

[fringe shell]

they are cooked

[languid saffron]

I trying to nuke east germany

[late valley]

in the later years it crashes more

[late valley]

ur computer prob couldnt handle it what are the specs

[languid saffron]

I dont have lags

destroying some cool loccation

location

[fringe shell]

ahh best felling ever when you see this

vichy is neutral

[languid saffron]

aftermath

[sudden thistle]

Declare on Vichy too

[fair horizon]

shes pretty though, and thats important

[fringe shell]

i would like to

[sudden thistle]

Damn

[quasi osprey]

how will I penetrate this italian defence

[fair horizon]

might just have to surrender tbh

[fringe shell]

damn i didnt know why i was melted in the air but then i saw i have been doing ts since 40

[quasi osprey]

yeah my divs are being soo outnumbered

[fringe shell]

there were the same icon as the my good planes

[deft mulch]

terrible idea

you can get Vichy for free if you liberate france

[quasi osprey]

[cursive oxide]

is this good ? im playing capped netherlands

[languid saffron]

tehran destroyed

[fair horizon]

good enough

what capital ships are you doing spelen?

[snow rain]

torp DDs aren't useful if you don't have full doctrine

or an admiral with sea wolf traits

also, research and produce 1940 guns already

50% more stats than 1936 guns

[quasi osprey]

[heavy vigil]

theyre useful in my slop fleet ngl

[smoky prairie]

The type XXV (25) U-boat. Germany's first Nuclear U-boat. Equipped with advanced anechoic tiles, homing torpedoes with magnetic detonators, and an advanced onboard torpedo data computer that receives data from advanced hydrophones

Mass production of the type has already begun, with 60 dockyards assigned to production

[heavy vigil]

its fine

you have better options though

your tech allows for good light cruisers

[cyan arrow]

The Larp is lowkey not necessary

[sudden thistle]

Isn’t it rlly ez to get it anyways (the doctrine)

[smoky prairie]

I find it fun. not a fan?

[cyan arrow]

Cool build tho

Why is there no AA

[smoky prairie]

lower visibility

[cyan arrow]

I guess

Idk how navy works

Or visibility

[smoky prairie]

besides - its a nuclear submarine - it never has to surface :P

[cyan arrow]

For that matter

[sudden thistle]

Never is a bit too far

[heavy vigil]

slop army slop airforce slop navy

[cyan arrow]

You know NAVY?

Damn bro

[smoky prairie]

visibility affects how easy a submarine is to detect. A submarine with very low visibility will be harder to sink by both aircraft and escorts

[sudden thistle]

But like

A submarine’s crew needs food

And other supplies

[smoky prairie]

I do as well. I get that not understanding HOI4 naval stuff is a meme, but its really not that complicated. In fact, its so simple that its unrealistic

[cyan arrow]

Do you seriously think hoi4 takes food and supplies in account for subs

[tiny iris]

They are in the ocean, grab some fish.

[cyan arrow]

Its not a meme gng I deadass dont understand it

🥀😭

I just put on like

[heavy vigil]

killed so many french people in south america they capped to me lmao

[cyan arrow]

Tons of light batteries and AA on my destroyers

[smoky prairie]

I'm aware that ''never'' is an exaggeration. I was speaking metaphorically

[cyan arrow]

Torpedoes

Radar and Fire Control

And it just

Works

[smoky prairie]

For destroyers, you generally want them to be one of 2 things - cheap fleet escorts, or ASW boats

[cyan arrow]

I destroy the british fleets

[smoky prairie]

for fleet escorts, maximize torpedoes primarily. skip AA on them as destroyers will never have useful AA defense anyways

[cyan arrow]

I dont use that

[smoky prairie]

you want to put AA primarily on Cruisers and battleships

[cyan arrow]

Like

Lowkey

[languid saffron]

surpise attack

[cyan arrow]

Oh yeah the extra AA I put on my destroyers manage to absolutely destroy the airforces in like

The english channel

[fair horizon]

casey wheres the cool ships

[smoky prairie]

destroyers are classified as screens, and for screens you want torpedo attack for fleet battles

[cyan arrow]

Gonna be honest rn

[cyan arrow]

I know

[cyan arrow]

I have

0 knowledge about planes

Less than navy

[smoky prairie]

for ASW Destroyers, you want sonar and depth charges. Again, skip AA

[cyan arrow]

I just send for air superiority

Dont even know how to paradrop

[thorn sleet]

You can only drop with paratroopers with no heavy support.

[smoky prairie]

Paradropping is easy. You just need transport planes and paratroopers located in the same province as the airfield

[thorn sleet]

So no artillery.

No tanks.

[fair horizon]

waste of ic

[cyan arrow]

Cant you just

[fair horizon]

just make a naval bomber and leave a factory on it

[cyan arrow]

Switch to paratrooper template and back

Once landed

[thorn sleet]

Usually you wanna paradrop in supply hubs and docks.

[thorn sleet]

You can't change templates of units not attached to supply

[cyan arrow]

I know

[smoky prairie]

Depends on how much IC you have. If you have the capacity, ASW dds are useful. as someone like Japan or UK, they are a must, since you have stuff all over the globe and planes lack the range

[cyan arrow]

You need to go to Ports

[thorn sleet]

And usually the use of them is sending into enemy supply hubs and relieve them before they die.

[cyan arrow]

And thats what I was planning to do most runs anyways

[fair horizon]

its really not that big a deal, both have carriers and you can set one to patrol with subs as the only thing they engage

[cyan arrow]

Air naval invasion

Since Naval for me is kinda buggy

[smoky prairie]

As the british discovered in 1940, using Carriers for ASW work is not a good idea

[fair horizon]

slap naval strike on bombers and boom, 20 dead subs

[heavy vigil]

vendrip

[fair horizon]

works great in hoi4 because subs not in battle dont have the ability to hide

[smoky prairie]

you lose that carrier to a sub, it hurts a lot. You lose a DD to a sub, no big deal

[heavy vigil]

im modernizing my airforce from basic to improved planes in 42

its so cooked

just licensing air tech as well

[fair horizon]

send more bodies to the frontline

[cyan arrow]

😭

[fair horizon]

imagine having a plane mio, couldnt be me

[cyan arrow]

Imma probs go for a totally fragmented world and then for Two Sicilies next

Lowk

Lowk

[smoky prairie]

For preparation for my war with the USA, I have been building these 8-engined, jet powered, flying wing strat bombers, capable of flying from brest france to california and back

[fair horizon]

it actually kinda irks me how easy it is to win air wars when you have the ability to make planes from like 1937 with a mio

[smoky prairie]

Also almost have ICBMs ready, so before long I won't even need bombers

have constructed hardened missile silos all along the french coast (like rocket sites but immune to strategic bombing)

[cyan arrow]

I always put them on max production when I get them and then have an unlimited stockpile lol

[crisp wyvern]

quick question

[cyan arrow]

Yes?

[craggy trail]

Extended Tech Tree 1960?

[smoky prairie]

yup!

[craggy trail]

Oh yeah

[smoky prairie]

current date is 1956

[crisp wyvern]

does vanilla hoi4 without the Götterdämmerung dlc have icbms or smth? Seen quite the handful of people saying that in r/hoi4, no im not a chud for using reddit.

[slim ivy]

ok

[smoky prairie]

Not without Gotterdamerung

[crisp wyvern]

oh man :(

[crisp wyvern]

I really wanted to develop icbms

[fair horizon]

ive now stolen this and you cant have it back

[cyan arrow]

Just get Gotterdammerung

[smoky prairie]

You could just get gotterdamerung

[cyan arrow]

Ez

[smoky prairie]

its not that expensive

[crisp wyvern]

I'll give you a hint about how my wallet looks

https://tenor.com/view/wallet-gif-25866507

literally 5 cents in my steam wallet

[smoky prairie]

you'll get it one day

[craggy trail]

I had a France game with that mod. There’s just so much to research

[crisp wyvern]

paradox giving Götterdämmerung away for free in 2035

[cyan arrow]

Does it expand the tech tree as a whole

[smoky prairie]

yes

[cyan arrow]

Like 1936 even

[smoky prairie]

industry screen for example:

[fair horizon]

20% sale best they can do

[craggy trail]

It’s also the mod that gave Equestria at War its lategame doctrines

[cyan arrow]

I thought it changes it

Mb

[smoky prairie]

tech tree screen for aircraft:

[fair horizon]

i need to restart as changelings because i messed up and the equestrians refuse to love me

[slim ivy]

With the recent Hoi4 updates, does affect my gameplay if I was to play as France at all

[craggy trail]

Show him the missile reasearch

[cyan arrow]

Finna download ts

[cyan arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-erase-gif-1159901542694943356

[cyan arrow]

"Jarvis, show him the missile research"

[crisp wyvern]

France is already bad enough as it is at the start, it cannot get any worse

[cyan arrow]

God damn bro

[crisp wyvern]

I always destroy the French in each Germany playthrough I have

Whether they do anything or no lmao

[cyan arrow]

I never even get past 1945 with my games but it looks cool

[crisp wyvern]

pure love of the game

[smoky prairie]

currently on 1956

[crisp wyvern]

I only force myself to play past 1945 for the cool fighter jets

[tulip orchid]

hi guys

[slim ivy]

eh its not that bad. I only ever play as France in this game and its not that hard to defend against the Germans

[crisp wyvern]

imagine the sheer terror of your enemy seeing their 1942 airforce get rekted by sonic speed fighter jets

[smoky prairie]

I like long games. Current game I've been playing for 3 days now

[slim ivy]

yeah cause they're AI...ofc it'll be easy

[cyan arrow]

True

[crisp wyvern]

I'm afraid of multiplayer

Multi-player is for weaklings, real mfs love single player and lose to the AI

[tulip orchid]

real

[crisp wyvern]

and rage quit and play hell divers 2

[cyan arrow]

True

[languid saffron]

got him exiled

[crisp wyvern]

Holy shit it's John Montenegro

[cyan arrow]

Rate flags

[heavy vigil]

@fair horizon do you hate slop fleets

[fair horizon]

multiplayers want me to not have fun

[tulip orchid]

democratic republic of russia vs peoples republic of russia

[tulip orchid]

hi

[smoky prairie]

I used to play multiplayer a lot. These days though I lack the time (real life gets busy in your 30s) so I just play SP.

[fair horizon]

you built 2 battleships i win

[crisp wyvern]

Hard ass flags, 9/10

[fair horizon]

or stole 2

not sure

[heavy vigil]

i didnt

[fair horizon]

either way i 10/10 fleet

[heavy vigil]

i got them from a decision from japan

[tulip orchid]

do yall even care to built a navy

[languid saffron]

lol

[cyan arrow]

I guess bro..

[fair horizon]

needs more bahia class cruisers

[heavy vigil]

you build with the tech you have

[craggy trail]

Pre NCNS

[tulip orchid]

I just destroyer spam and get sinked

[cyan arrow]

What

How

[heavy vigil]

get vis buffs

[cyan arrow]

I do destroyer spam and sink

[fair horizon]

never once

[cyan arrow]

Others

[fair horizon]

i hate the first one ngl

[tulip orchid]

Land army is just superior

[tulip orchid]

this wouldnt even make it out of dockyard

[heavy vigil]

the lenin class?

i only have 2 of them

[fair horizon]

yeah

[crisp wyvern]

For me, have quite plenty of time since I'm just a year into high school, still it's getting pretty tough, anyways I love playing as Manchukuo, would get my thing rekted if I were to play manchukuo in MP

Manchukuo is my favorite country in hoi4

[tulip orchid]

I thought lennin didnt want a class separatism

weird

[smoky prairie]

I'm making nuclear submarines in my current Germany game. Earlier on I built the Bismarck and Tirpitz as well as the Graf zeppelin aircraft carrier

[tulip orchid]

couldnt be me

1939 destroyer spam

[crisp wyvern]

In my last non dlc Iraq playthrough, I decided to form a strong fleet of destroyers, cruisers and subs

[smoky prairie]

Well, its 1956 now, so 1939 tech is more than bit outdated

[fair horizon]

i like destroyer 3

its good

[crisp wyvern]

Even built a plane carrier as Iraq

[solid rune]

this is some operation unthinkable type shi

[crisp wyvern]

I ended up with 45 ships in total

[cyan arrow]

Me researching naval tech just to only use Cruisers and Destroyers:

[tulip orchid]

by the way didnt these ship tech used to unlock at 1940 or was it always 1939?

[crisp wyvern]

Metro 2033 nuclear war:

[cyan arrow]

What are plane carriers used for

Lets be real

[crisp wyvern]

Carry planes

[solid rune]

can bots do nuclear strikes

[cyan arrow]

What purpose

Is there

[crisp wyvern]

yes

[cyan arrow]

To carry planes

[crisp wyvern]

to carry planes

[cyan arrow]

When you can just

[crisp wyvern]

duhhh

[cyan arrow]

Build

An airbase

[fair horizon]

me when my admiral has aviation enthusiast

luv me carriers :)

[tulip orchid]

they carry duh

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/akagi-azur-lane-my-beloved-meme-my-beloved-heart-gif-25042513

[smoky prairie]

I control Europe in my current Germany game, so I need some naval stuff to prevent the USA from landing on my continent. The plan is to use my nuke boats to control the Atlantic enough to prevent invasions

[crisp wyvern]

In all seriousness, it's just a more heavy cost way of transporting your planes to nearby places or for naval aereal battles for most of the time

I always use plane carriers alongside naval bombers

[cyan arrow]

Hmm

[crisp wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/hetalia-belarus-belarus-hetalia-pretty-cute-gif-14442740679369665291

[cyan arrow]

Are superheavy ships good

Chat

[fair horizon]

to driveby half of portugal's fleet when my australian navy goes to britian (i forgot i had the planes set to port strike

[heavy vigil]

honestly subspam has been a good reinforcement for my navy

[fair horizon]

too expensive

[smoky prairie]

current faction map mode. Italy was in the Axis, but left after the end of WW2. Siberian defense mandate and sword of the steppes are the remnants of the USSR, which collapsed

[crisp wyvern]

Never researched a single one, I doubt they are

[cyan arrow]

If you have all resources in the world

I mean

[fair horizon]

regular battleships are fine

[crisp wyvern]

Big manchuria

[cyan arrow]

They're just more slotted heavy ships

[fair horizon]

give regular battleships shbb armor if you dont want them scratched too hard

[cyan arrow]

And have more armor

[fair horizon]

the only real job of a battleship in hoi4 is to take hits

[smoky prairie]

Spain used to be in my faction before as well, but they also left

[crisp wyvern]

I just love making a navy just to feel like the Kriegsmarine while having sabaton to play on the background

Salvadoran Kriegsmarine

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[cyan arrow]

Is cruiser + destroyer spam good

Asking the experts

[smoky prairie]

It is potentially.

Depends on your nation

if you have low IC, its the way to go

[cyan arrow]

Low IC?

[smoky prairie]

Industrial capacity

[cyan arrow]

Oh

[smoky prairie]

AKA, weak industry and low resources

[fair horizon]

torp destroyers are very strong right now so

[smoky prairie]

Its the most cost-effective strategy. That and cheap subs

[sudden thistle]

Ye

[smoky prairie]

but if you are playing a major nation, there are better ways to go

[crisp wyvern]

I've built a bigger dockyard industry than America as Mexico once

[cyan arrow]

Do I do heavy or light cruiser tho

[sudden thistle]

Light

[smoky prairie]

Heavy cruisers are capital ships. Light cruisers are screens

[crisp wyvern]

I also built a navy of 68 ships as fascist Canada to try and form a Canadian Empire

[cyan arrow]

Difference?

[smoky prairie]

specifically, heavy cruisers are the cheapest vessel that counts as a capital ship

[fair horizon]

and are entirely worse than even the cheapest battleships

[cyan arrow]

Meh

I built 246 Destroyers

120 Cruisers

[smoky prairie]

Capital ships sit behind the screens. Primarily use heavy attack. Need high armor for tanking. Screens protect the capital ships from torpedoes from the enemy's screens and shoot torpedoes of their own

[crisp wyvern]

Mostly expanded into the carribean and invading Venezuela to get a hold of their oil

[smoky prairie]

you want 4-5 screening vessels per capital ship in a properly balanced fleet

[crisp wyvern]

After that, just allied Mexico and El Salvador

[crisp wyvern]

I built a fleet of 134 ships as Central America once

[cyan arrow]

What if I have like 3 capital ships and 350 screens

[crisp wyvern]

Though most of them were destroyers and subs

[smoky prairie]

No problem - you will just have extra protection for your capital ships

[cyan arrow]

I dont get it tho

[smoky prairie]

you can have too many capital ships for your screens. You can never have too many screens for your capital ships

[fair horizon]

4 is the magic number, 3 if you have admiral traits like fleet protector

[smoky prairie]

I usually go with 5 personally so I can lose a few and still have enough

[cyan arrow]

Like do screens only go against screens

[fair horizon]

2 is even possible with good positioning %

[cyan arrow]

And capital ships against capital ships

[fair horizon]

no they keep your capitals from being torpedoes

[cyan arrow]

So they dont attack at all

[fair horizon]

capital ships can shoot screens

they do attack

[smoky prairie]

they shoot torpedoes

[cyan arrow]

What if they have Batteries

[fair horizon]

they shoot other screens

[cyan arrow]

Ok

[fair horizon]

if the enemy has no screens they shoot capital ships

[smoky prairie]

there is something called ''screen penetration'' which determines how likely the torpedo is to penetrate a screen and strike a capital ship (this can happen)

[cyan arrow]

Is destroying 64 Destroyers in one battle good

[fair horizon]

its about 50-60k ic of shipyard work

so prolly

[smoky prairie]

Yes. If you destroy the enemy's screens, their capital ships will be vulnerable to torpedoes

Torpedoes are the primary killer of battleships

[cyan arrow]

Well I did it twice so

The english

Are probably

[fair horizon]

carrier planes ignore screens btw

[cyan arrow]

Fucced

[fair horizon]

they can strike capitals at any time

[smoky prairie]

Yes, this is why Carriers are so OP in fleet battles

[crisp wyvern]

Erich Raeder Speech Bubble:

[fair horizon]

HEDGEHOG ASW

[cyan arrow]

Lowk

[crisp wyvern]

https://giphy.com/gifs/stare-thousand-yard-queueuof-UsKYCgdsoHGq7xrHLd

[cyan arrow]

I think navy is goood when lots of sinking

Of enemy

Ships

Like if you sink the Pride of the Fleet of the enemy the navy is PROBABLY good

No?

[fair horizon]

they lose war support so yes its good

[cyan arrow]

Peak

How to do naval bombardment btw

[fair horizon]

they will probably immediately do another though so its only like -5%?

[cyan arrow]

Wheres the button

[fair horizon]

when your carriers are out doing something click the airfield button on the task force and then click w/e job at the top

[cyan arrow]

No not carriers

I mean other ships

[fair horizon]

oh like support? its a job they have

[cyan arrow]

Where's the button

For it

🥀🥀

[fair horizon]

on the task force bar?

[cyan arrow]

Yes

[fair horizon]

im not ingame so you'll have to figure that out

[cyan arrow]

Great

[fair horizon]

it should be on the bar with every other job

[graceful kayak]

what did the devs smoke man

[fair horizon]

ewepant

[graceful kayak]

india cant even produce light tanks xd

[heavy vigil]

battleplan fun

dont ask what happened in colombia

[fair horizon]

i remember i battleplanned through the sudetenland with infantry as brazil once, 2 million men later and i had it

[flat wyvern]

wtf spain at allies and denmark? what happend there 😮

[fair horizon]

chat should i play the usa for once?

ive played my country like 3 times ever

[late valley]

yeah

[unborn finch]

did they remove the Philippines' getting a japanese Fleet from the alt mission tree?

the one with LCs w/ minelaying + a couple of DDs

[solid rune]

one on india for fun

[smoky prairie]

preparations for a thermonuclear strike on the United States, carried out by 8-engined jet flying wing bombers flying across the atlantic from Brittany:

[solid rune]

we have the same idea lol

[smoky prairie]

lol

[smoky prairie]

I was hoping to get ICBMs in time since those are much harder to intercept, but they aren't ready yet

[solid rune]

icmbs tend to not explode sometimes

[smoky prairie]

Also have my defenses against enemy nuclear raids up, with full AA in each province, max AA researched, interlocking radar stations covering all my provinces, and 400 planes protecting each province, with 200 on air superiority, and 200 on intercept

this is what my radar coverage looks like, lol

[fair horizon]

so why am i not supposed to build stuff mils at the start of a usa game?

[sudden thistle]

Look at the - construction speed

It won’t go up until like 37-38

[fair horizon]

?

i get the same thing from civs though

[scarlet badger]

more civs means you can build more and faster

[fair horizon]

yeah but like i start with 150

[unique cliff]

i think its best to build infrastructure in places with resources at start with USA, no?

[fair horizon]

i plan on doing the confederacy route

[solid rune]

bots can nuclear7

?

[late trout]

they can

[smoky prairie]

War has begun! one of my Jet bombers on its way across the atlantic with a thermonuclear bomb aboard. This one is bound for Norfolk navy yard in Norfolk Virginia

[late trout]

one time i was doing barbarossa and i captured moscow and the US was trying to do a nuclear strike on moscow

[smoky prairie]

yes

[late trout]

It was 1945

and the reason why barbarossa went on for so long was because i didnt have the la resistaance dlc

[solid rune]

hmm

i want to do something cool

[sudden thistle]

Just do infra

By the time u built it all

[solid rune]

i will give bots all nessesary to build nukes

[sudden thistle]

The Great Depression will be gone

Or maybe build forts in the pacific or smth?

[late trout]

And i need to snake my troops all the way to random unknown towns in the middle of siberia that has been named by aliens who migrated from a different planet

[fair horizon]

its not even the great depression thing its undisturbed isolation

[solid rune]

im going to anihilate new zealand lol

[fair horizon]

woah, if only i didnt have 900 ships

[safe wing]

USA in a nutshell in wwii

[sudden thistle]

You know what I mean either way

[fringe shell]

im gonna crash out

bro like you didnt do shi

just let it go

"british ocupation zone " = gay zone

[unique cliff]

what frame do naval bombers use?

[fair horizon]

light or medium iirc?

[split bane]

Reverse German occupation

[fringe shell]

yeah but fuh this brits had like 10 % war score

[unique cliff]

well yeah and i dont know which one

unless both

[ashen ingot]

imo hoi4 needs a negotiated peace deal system,

[solid rune]

20km tank

shi is gonna rock

[fair horizon]

both

you need torpedoes though

[vocal bolt]

this is so bs

I am locked out of the only war focus I have

the focus which gives me goals on france uk belgium needs uk to not have decolonized which they have

and that somehow doesnt bypass the focus

I cant prgoress

[fair horizon]

thats not that big a deal is it? which country?

[safe wing]

Monarchist Germany with the old pre Gdr focus

They can’t core Alsace Lorraine when that happens too

Which is dumb

[fair horizon]

eh

germany has plenty of manpower

[safe wing]

Alsalce has a shitton of steel

[vocal bolt]

how do I fix this

[forest osprey]

Why the one time I win ww2 does ww3 break out😭 😭

[vocal bolt]

do I just not

[safe wing]

Easy restart

[forest osprey]

Like it’s 1942

[terse skiff]

Can this tank finally put on second turrets? Also soft attack is too low for the cost

[vocal bolt]

am gonna use commands to get it done

[violet veldt]

What mod is this

[fair horizon]

if its like vanilla modern tanks it cant, but it could also use a bigger gun

[terse skiff]

Oh so still meme tanks 😂

[safe wing]

I really need to get woman in the high castle with Victoria

And I have a plan that involves building a navy

[fair horizon]

they're not bad they just use chromium

[terse skiff]

They are bad

[solid rune]

road to 56

[terse skiff]

48 attack for 30 cost?

[solid rune]

cant put them on

modern tanks

[fair horizon]

yeah hes using a crap gun for fast memey stuff

[heavy vigil]

hiii

[fair horizon]

they could use a heavy howitzer

hi casey

[solid rune]

no its the top soft attack gun

[terse skiff]

20 kmh means you'll get low supply after 4 tiles and then you slow down

[solid rune]

only higher is heavy howidzer

[safe wing]

Spec forces for attacking divs, peg for eco, and big ass navy to fight the USA

[fair horizon]

which is the one you should use tbh

[safe wing]

Should I revive the HRE or no

[fair horizon]

sure why not?

[heavy vigil]

what does this icon mean

[cedar lance]

what mod is this

[solid rune]

hmm i thought that heavy howitzer turns your tank into sp

[fair horizon]

wym?

[solid rune]

road to 56

[cedar lance]

nice Korben

i like rt56

[vocal bolt]

question

[solid rune]

i never played vanilla after i installed it

[vocal bolt]

does ironman autosave when you leave

or do you have to wait for the montlhy/yearly autosave

[fair horizon]

it autosaves iirc

[heavy vigil]

the circle

the red

[fair horizon]

oh did you turn alerts on for the fleet? i believe that to be the case

[cedar lance]

i wanna play rt56 again

[vocal bolt]

go for it

[vocal bolt]

I lowkey got a weird ass central powers

[cedar lance]

i like how RT56 has mbt tanks

[vocal bolt]

austria hungary romania german empire mexico and poland

[vocal bolt]

I like how you can express yourself and tell us what you like and dont like

[cedar lance]

alr

i dont like how vanilla hoi4 doesnt really have MBT tanks

like its own chassis

[fair horizon]

chat i messed up my usa run already

[cedar lance]

ik we have Modern chassis

[fallen garnet]

How do I keep playing from this point on?

[formal tusk]

Is field engineering or fire concentration better?

[vocal bolt]

how do I turn off ironman

[vast depot]

Hoi4 mp is fake

[forest osprey]

By clicking the box at the start of a round

[vocal bolt]

am editin the file

[forest osprey]

You can’t once your in the game

To my knowledge

[vocal bolt]

you can

am editing the save file as we speak

and just asking whats the correct thing to write

[forest osprey]

You’re gonna need someone better than me then

[craggy trail]

It's within your naval headquarters

[formal tusk]

Also what’s the best ratio of infantry to artillery for offensive infantry

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there is

ironman="Ironman German Reich 3.hoi4"
tutorial=no

you can do the opposite and turn things on and off

like if I trype tutorial=yes it will redo the tutorial but thats the issue

[craggy trail]

So any naval battles within the coverage of your naval headquarters will recieve that bonus coverage

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idk what to replace ironman german reich3 with

do I say no

or somn else

[vast depot]

No should mean false

[vocal bolt]

yes but like

then why not just say ironman=yes

it clearly works diffrent than yes/no

Deleted the whole line

ill see if it works or not

[craggy trail]

Seems like you have some landing down south , so best you push there with your tanks

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it has started

[vocal bolt]

worked

lovel

lovely

[craggy trail]

With line artillery, fire concentration has higher soft attack compared to field engineering. It's pairs well with Superior firepower

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@vast depot deleting the whole line is the solution

[vast depot]

Son

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1946

would be cool if nukes also lowered stability