hoi4-general

[patent thistle]

is this btw good? thats how most of my ships are refit (i prefer dual purpose secondaries over AA Spam)

[karmic viper]

rate the borders

[tulip thorn]

Horrible, but not the worst

[karmic viper]

we decided to just split the ussr

[lethal ether]

this is the point where the game becomes distgusting for me to play

[tulip thorn]

How do you run out of manpower as germany

[safe wing]

Germany now has coalition goverments @lethal ether

[tulip thorn]

Im guessing thats an mp game right?

You and a friend

[lethal ether]

i see

[tulip thorn]

Dont even need to guess

Can see the little chat box in the corner

[karmic viper]

yea

[shrewd inlet]

fart

[karmic viper]

happens

[shrewd inlet]

battleplanning I guess?

[karmic viper]

I was

didnt even have to really micro

[shrewd inlet]

were you doing like, mass mob type?

or were you js rolling people

[lethal ether]

you can battleplan and still not lose millions of men 😔

[shrewd inlet]

well yeah but it's the main factor

[safe wing]

vanilla hoi4 needs this but it should be like the self completeing focus trees seen in gotterdamerun onwards

[lethal ether]

i think diviisons with high combat width work th ebest since the battleplan ai doesnt really coordonate well

[shrewd inlet]

also yo I used to hate the new china tree but It's grown on me sm

[tulip thorn]

Same tbh

[shrewd inlet]

by china i mean KMT btw

CCP looks ass

[south mountain]

Is it me or Italy AI is so bad at defending from naval invasions that they lose?

[tulip thorn]

I also used to hate the new monarchist Japan tree

[lethal ether]

it could maybe work

[tulip thorn]

Its has grown on me

[patent thistle]

i am ticked off about that bit

[shrewd inlet]

I haven't played japan yet

[lethal ether]

every ai has little to no defenmse for naval invasions

[tulip thorn]

The japanese tree is great

Really like the historical and communist one

[karmic viper]

k

[shrewd inlet]

it's mostly everyone but italy is also really narrow

[patent thistle]

.

[karmic viper]

tried to split it as even as possible

[south mountain]

Except UK in one of my games which had 12 divisions per tile on the coast 😭

[ripe slate]

At first glance historical Japan seems like the most fun, while also being free

[shrewd inlet]

I might try it

[ripe slate]

Just like historical USSR and historical Italy

[lethal ether]

rt56 also has less special forces cap doesnt it

[ripe slate]

I could check

[shrewd inlet]

Idk, just always preferred china over japan in basically every scenario

[patent thistle]

the old japanese democratic tree is straight up a meme lol, you basically get what you want as historical japan for completely free

[ripe slate]

Japan is kinda easy is my first impression

[lethal ether]

do pls

[shrewd inlet]

yeah

[half venture]

Capitals Only

[shrewd inlet]

considering early game china is alot weaker than pre update

(pre update china wasn't even that bad)

[patent thistle]

stupid challenge honestly

but still w

[snow rain]

gun 1 and armor 1 is bad

[shrewd inlet]

plus chiang is kinda aurafarming

[snow rain]

just don't do BBs in singleplayer except for larp

[half venture]

No ships got sunken, and defeated allied fleet

[patent thistle]

these are refits

[snow rain]

oh, I wouldn't even bother

[patent thistle]

from ships i got through my broken ah tree

[shrewd inlet]

meh only jap and US really do it anyways

Battleships are just too expensive unless you got an actual fleet

[snow rain]

I get the hype at having big ass ships though

it's fun

[ripe slate]

higher actually, 10% instead of 5%

[shrewd inlet]

they're great damage sponges tho

[patent thistle]

THE AGE OF THE DREADNOUGHT ONLY DIES WITH ME

[shrewd inlet]

Anyway, next major DLC better be USA

[south mountain]

But it is fun

[shrewd inlet]

America is so underpowered compared to OTL it's kinda wild 😭

[patent thistle]

preferably a combined DLC called the pacific

[strong umbra]

rate my ship design (default germany starting stuff)

[shrewd inlet]

that's.. already coming out

[south mountain]

When will there be an UK DLC in this game?

[lethal ether]

oh ok

[strong umbra]

i cant bother doing research

[shrewd inlet]

prob

[south mountain]

😭

[patent thistle]

i dont count japans DLC as a true pacific DLC

[shrewd inlet]

Light cruisers you only put light attack stuff

[ripe slate]

Werent there already 2 technically

[strong umbra]

heaviest ship btw

[shrewd inlet]

there's a south east asian one coming out no?

[strong umbra]

not making any heavy ships

[half venture]

I wouldn't use torpedoes on Heavy Cruisers

[snow rain]

don't use light battery. use secondaries if you need to save cost
don't use torp
a singel lvl 1 AA is more than enough
armor is good as is the rest

[shrewd inlet]

for like aussie indo and siam?

[ripe slate]

Man the Guns and Together for Victory were both UK-related DLC nah?

[patent thistle]

ye

[south mountain]

Yes

[patent thistle]

yep

[south mountain]

Forgot about "Together for Victory" DLC

[patent thistle]

and both are free now

[south mountain]

Still outdated

💔

[shrewd inlet]

America is the only really pacific nation that needs a rework

then France and Britian

[ripe slate]

I really like what Road does to UK because in vanilla you cant go both interventionist paths

[south mountain]

What about UK and USA reworks?

[shrewd inlet]

UK USA Mexico and Canada prob

[patent thistle]

australia:
New Zealand:

[shrewd inlet]

they're getting ones already iirc

[sudden thistle]

australia is

[shrewd inlet]

Thunder at our gates ye

[sudden thistle]

new zealand prob a rework

like a iceland

[shrewd inlet]

NZ isn't getting one in TAOG

for a UK / USA one yeah prob

but I'd really wish they'd js focus on USA, then bundle france and britian together

[patent thistle]

can we atleast give a meantion for turkey needing a rework desperately? the tree is ass

[fossil dragon]

why is warsaw uprising not showing up

[shrewd inlet]

It's not that bad imo

you do what turkey did historically, sit around

a USA dlc with an actual post great depression / giant awakening part would be peak

1k factories by 39 trust me

[snow rain]

it's not a mission it's an event

you need 80% resistance on every polish core state iirc

[restive sable]

always found that dumb in vanilla

[snow rain]

a pain to get

[fossil dragon]

in all states

[patent thistle]

can we talk about how poland has been so perfectly partitioned by the soviets and germans??

[snow rain]

the elephant in the room :

[shrewd inlet]

the one random ussr state poland owns

😭

[patent thistle]

they just have it for some reason

[snow rain]

that's not the elephant

look at the bottom of the screen

[restive sable]

first thing i noticed

[snow rain]

something's wrong ...

[restive sable]

nothings wrong actually

[patent thistle]

zhukov and macarthur in the same army?

[restive sable]

its perfectly normal

[snow rain]

and an hungarian and turkish general

[shrewd inlet]

it's 2026 we include all generals

[snow rain]

looks like an old joke

[vocal bolt]

bruh wtf

[shrewd inlet]

but LOL that's funny

[vocal bolt]

I want to go to war as france

like first thing

oppose rhineland type beat

[snow rain]

you mean refuse the rhineland ?

[vocal bolt]

but the brits keep joining me

so I cant lmao

[snow rain]

delete all the crappy troops you have

will make AI think you're weak

[ripe slate]

A tree like Turkey has so much potential if they simply rearranged/shortened some stuff

[shrewd inlet]

also true

[ripe slate]

People whine about 70 day focuses a bit much but Turkey is really bad time-wise

[shrewd inlet]

Ottoman path is cool but also kinda lame

[restive sable]

it's absurd how long it takes to restore the ottomans or do literally anything as turkey

[patent thistle]

by the time you get to it everything already is happening

[snow rain]

oh, my bad

[ripe slate]

If Egypt ever gets added it should be more fun, in Road it makes the Ottomans a fair bit stronger

[restive sable]

i personally think egypt should be on map start, and anglo-egyptian sudan maybe as well

[patent thistle]

i would more question how the flying hell macarthur and zhukov are getting along

[shrewd inlet]

nuke them

[fossil dragon]

bu it says that unlocks warsaw uprising when resistance is over 50%

[ripe slate]

Its realistic to be so I assume most people would agree

[patent thistle]

now zhokov has to follow macarthurs orders because funny 😂

[restive sable]

some people say sudan should just start egyptian or british because adding sudan would be "clutter" or something

idrk

feel representing it on the map would make more sense

[vocal bolt]

70 day focuses my opps fr

[patent thistle]

thats the main issue for me with the turkish tree

[ripe slate]

I feel like Road doesnt shorten too many focuses to fix Turkey, we simply make some filler focuses optional to go Ottoman

achieves the same purpose while still allowing you to do focuses late into the game

[restive sable]

pretty good idea actually

[patent thistle]

the turkish tree itself isnt horribly bad, but it just takes so god forsaken long that by the time you are done preparing and actually doing shit france already got blitzkrieged

[fossil dragon]

we are doing it

just have to find sabaton uprising song

[patent thistle]

https://open.spotify.com/intl-de/track/0cajnv3diwVnb2KXv7hLVs?si=920a4fe8328e4de2

[fossil dragon]

just what i need

[fringe shell]

brp

you see this and then "France comunne declared war on France"

bro like where do you fight this civil war💔

civil war

[winged field]

seperated by the see, united by hatred ahh

[strong umbra]

yippee

[fossil dragon]

Warsaw Walcz!

[vocal bolt]

am 8 tries in

will britain just f off

[strong umbra]

should i play 39 poland start date and capitulate to try warsaw uprising

[fringe shell]

you hate yourself?

[strong umbra]

no i just wanna see ot happen once

[azure palm]

so yes

[vocal bolt]

BRO

WHAT THE HELL ITS ENOUGH

I JUST WANT TO REFUSE RHINELAND

[azure palm]

as france?

[vocal bolt]

ITS BEEN 10 ATTEMPTS

[vocal bolt]

yes

britain just keeps backing me up and I cant go to war

[winged field]

laughs in civil war

[azure palm]

they will do that most of the time

[vocal bolt]

I have spent 40 mins just restarting

I lost all the will to play before even playing

now I dont wanna play

[azure palm]

even historically german troops had orders to withdraw from the rhineland if french troops showed up

[safe wing]

yeah Hitler would have backed down like he did in 1934 in Austria

[azure palm]

anyways, I dont know if its possible for the brits to not back you up

[safe wing]

and he ended up having to not invade austria that year because of italy

[azure palm]

also the germans can still cave in I think

[azure palm]

go italy!

[safe wing]

thats only because Germany's army in 1934 was weak

[azure palm]

I know

they just started rearmament then or were yet to start it

still, go italy

[fossil dragon]

i did it right now and i can tell you NO

just poped

[vocal bolt]

WHAT

britain didnt back me up

I said go to war

the germans backed down

12th try

am getting close to wasting an entire hour just to restarts

[shrewd inlet]

war of resistance

[azure palm]

exactly, the brits back you up most of the time, and the germans can still back down, which most of the time they do

they could also refuse backing down even when britain supports you

[fossil dragon]

just 16 more

[vocal bolt]

I got like 8 achivements

13th try

I have officialy wasted an entire hour just restarting and doing the first focus as france

splendid game design

[fossil dragon]

Yeah i bought the game and didn't know what to aim for so i just did what achivements sayed

[lament plover]

Any tips for achievements?

In general, I got the first couple of easy ones

[vocal bolt]

cheat

[fossil dragon]

Focus on what achivement says and do anything you can to get it even if it means abandoning all fronts

For some i get it and just quit

[steel zephyr]

bruh this is broken, romania transfered but the event fired twice so they declined the other one

[grave sonnet]

The Romanians gave you the territory but said no at the last second

[steel zephyr]

yikes

[grave sonnet]

Reminds me of wars under the Hungarian Socialist republic

[eternal aspen]

to make a historical Bismarck (laid July 1st, 1936), you need tech that you cannot get until 1937 to 1938

[shrewd inlet]

ah, japanese naval invasions

[eternal aspen]

for prinz Eugen (laid April, 1936) it's roughly the same

[steel zephyr]

im crien

[toxic cypress]

aon

son

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

[tired hornet]

ive got a question and wondering if anyone has encountered this too - playing as comm china and as soon as I create faction with big china, the medium term goal - maintain control of coastline instantly fails

[grave sonnet]

What happened 💔

[grave sonnet]

Winnable

[tawny robin]

unfixable

[shrewd inlet]

japan failed a naval in vasion, took a port, ran around, got smacked out of the port, and ran around in shandong

[steel zephyr]

not with my shitass army bro

[grave sonnet]

Crazy story

[tawny robin]

unless you retreat to capital hub and hold for 3 years

[steel zephyr]

didnt expect this to happen

[steel zephyr]

already fell

[grave sonnet]

Sad that the event fired twice

[toxic cypress]

he can just let czech cap him

they will just make him democratic

and since they got more points

[grave sonnet]

Yeah they are Democratic

[toxic cypress]

u keep some of the romanian lands

[shrewd inlet]

REPEL THE RUNNING DOGS

[toxic cypress]

just let czeh build up war score

[high vector]

lol

[toxic cypress]

and stop pushing romania

[steel zephyr]

its joeover

[high vector]

just restart the game

[shrewd inlet]

GLORY TO CHINA HOARD

[high vector]

u lost

[toxic cypress]

send some troops to die in northern hungary

[dusky burrow]

rip hungari

[toxic cypress]

and let czech cap u

all they will do is make u democratic

[high vector]

if czech caps him he loses anyway

[steel zephyr]

yeah already ended it

[toxic cypress]

no czech is democratic

[dusky burrow]

tyipcally what i do is retreat slowly in transylvania and try taking over slovakia

[high vector]

they would ruin his entire focus tree by making him democratic

[toxic cypress]

they will just instal new regime

[high vector]

cuz he's not playing democratic hungary

[toxic cypress]

i dont think so

as long as only czech makes regime change

[steel zephyr]

my strongest forces were deployed in transylvania

[vocal bolt]

I lost the damn french civil war

[toxic cypress]

romania will take cores

[high vector]

he would prob lose all the lands he took from czechia

they would take south slovakia and carpathia back

[tawny robin]

true

[steel zephyr]

the czech army was guarded by an army of cripples because i couldnt get the good troops in time

[high vector]

it's not worth it lol

[grave sonnet]

Kick them back to their lonely island

[high vector]

did u build factories?

[steel zephyr]

new hungary game it is

[steel zephyr]

yes ofc

mils mils mils

[shrewd inlet]

REPEL THE DOGS

[high vector]

did u have atleast 15 civs

[shrewd inlet]

Nanjing will be Tokyo

[high vector]

if u didnt build civs first u probably couldnt build enough mils

idk

[woven gate]

are you by chance a hungary main

[eternal aspen]

ships like the Prinz Eugen aren't even possible until Janurary 25th, 1938

[grave sonnet]

Closing that pocket gonna take a century

[steel zephyr]

just for milkos horthy habsburg (final hugnary achievement i need to get)

i used to main finland until i got all achievements

[grave sonnet]

☝🏼

[grave sonnet]

Respect for being a Finland main

[silk fern]

https://tenor.com/view/fact-checked-true-cowpoke-pooner-qianlong-gif-3827914201118197286

[woven gate]

fellow cold country main

[woven gate]

my first main was Yugoslavia

i was at one point a Brazil main, then a US main, now a Canada main

[grave sonnet]

Živjela Jugoslavija naša draga republika

[steel zephyr]

hungary fail so tragic my entire PC is broken and i cant even open steam

[raven lava]

At what point will we be getting a Mengkukuo tree?

[vocal bolt]

is it weird for me to never have played germany

ever

with like 110 hours

[grave sonnet]

This actually

[woven gate]

bro's demchungdongrub

[woven gate]

it's pretty easy

[grave sonnet]

Paradox is afraid of making a Mengkukuo tree

[raven lava]

Mengkukuo is my main in hoi4

[grave sonnet]

They know what power it holds

[woven gate]

you can literally inf spam as Germany and it'll work

[woven gate]

just have inf and air and paratroopers

[raven lava]

I feel like I come back here and ask every like week and they always say no to Mengkukuo tree

[woven gate]

i'm not exactly sure what mengkukuo would do

[grave sonnet]

They know what power it holds

[woven gate]

maybe make the Yuan empire

[grave sonnet]

They are too afraid

[woven gate]

unite mongolia perhaps

have a partisan/bandit uprising and become communist and unite with mao

[raven lava]

The Suiyuan Campaign against Shanxi, Mongol Empire, Yuan Dynasty etc

[woven gate]

a bandit nation would be goated

[raven lava]

Thats not the destiny of the Genghisids

[grave sonnet]

New Mongol state tree would be good

[woven gate]

maybe Mengkukuo does have some merit

a Canada rework might be good

[grave sonnet]

Mengkukuo is a major that's forced to be a minor btw

[hollow copper]

https://youtube.com/shorts/jJs1z7vxr-Q?si=OexppL-ty4eeRtth

[woven gate]

3 factories, more like 300

[grave sonnet]

☝🏼

[steel zephyr]

i got a bit over 500 hours, played germany once, went kaiser path then lost to france and holland because i could barely play then

i mostly play finland and hungary

[eternal aspen]

thoughts on my (as close to possible) Adminal Hipper Class based off of the Prinz Eugen, which itself is based off what is available by wikipedia about the parts, and how many i can fit on there

[shrewd inlet]

it aint much but it's honest work

[raven lava]

I mean it isnt the most influential in the world but it absolutely isnt irrelevant enough to not deserve a focus tree

[shrewd inlet]

TRUE

[high vector]

playing yugoslavia in hoi4 requires strength and fortitude because the devs dont want u to do it

[grave sonnet]

Definitely

[raven lava]

Lol

[shrewd inlet]

Manchu needs like, an actual tree

[shrewd inlet]

PUYI THE GOAT

[woven gate]

that's why i don't main yugoslavia anymore

[safe wing]

like an indepth Qing tree

[high vector]

yea they don't even have a tree basically

[shrewd inlet]

yes bro

[raven lava]

Nah Cao Kun and Wu Peifu were the goats Puyi was an actual devil irl

[shrewd inlet]

also true

[grave sonnet]

Titoslavia or Radikal?

[raven lava]

Terrible to women too

[shrewd inlet]

I hate the CCP but they treated Puyi pretty well

[woven gate]

tito

[safe wing]

where you can force Tibet, Nepal,Buhtan and all the other asian minors too become your puppets or tributaries as they were

[grave sonnet]

Based

[shrewd inlet]

hate Mao bc he dug in his butt during the war

[high vector]

i think the funny meme of any Warlord being able to declare themselves Emperor is the best you'll get for a non-Qing monarchist path

[raven lava]

They should have gotten rid of him like they did the Reorganized Govt leaders

[woven gate]

wasn't wu peifu like a crazy general

[shrewd inlet]

Reorg gov't was cringe

Wang Jingwei 😭

[raven lava]

He was goated but I like Xu Shuzheng more

[safe wing]

knowing how the Chinese monarchy system worked its not far fetched

[woven gate]

i don't know chinese warlord history

[grave sonnet]

Chinese Vidkun quisling

[patent thistle]

i am pretty sure the prinz eugen had secondary weapons

[safe wing]

Chinese collaborator with the Japanese

basically the Chinese Laval

[inland falcon]

wang jingwei car

[shrewd inlet]

wu was uh, Zhili right?

[woven gate]

i think so

[shrewd inlet]

Quisling is acc hilarious LOL

[woven gate]

wang jingwei was a submissive femboy

[shrewd inlet]

bro his tree is so funny

[safe wing]

Pierre Laval was also a notorious collborator too

even Petain hated him

[shrewd inlet]

Wang would've been goated if he didnt hate the goat so much

[woven gate]

pierre laval was a submissive femboy as well

[patent thistle]

was*

[eternal aspen]

none that could match ingame

they had 10cm guns, which more perfectly fit the rapid-fire guns

[patent thistle]

let me check rq

[safe wing]

why are we talking naval guns on a map game

[grave sonnet]

Quisling was extremely desperate irl

Fail to establish a fascist movement in ur country
Turn to suck Hitler for a bit of governance over ur now occupied country

[shrewd inlet]

ik

he was a figurehead while the actual RK government ran the show

[safe wing]

get sidelined by Hitler because even he thinks your incompotent

[patent thistle]

quisling should have just cried and not betrayed his country

[grave sonnet]

Norway's biggest monkey

[grave sonnet]

☝🏼

[shrewd inlet]

I made this sugestion on the reddit but

Hitler should've gotten the Quisling treatment

make him gradually deteriorate over the war

[eternal aspen]

they have 8 cannons (4x2) 20.3cm, which are heavy 2's, 12x10.5cm SK C/33, 12 SK C/30 light batteries, 8x2cm C/30 gun's, and 12x533mm torpedo tubes

[safe wing]

Petain should have just fled to Algeria and continued to fight

[shrewd inlet]

& make his stats worse and worse

[patent thistle]

agreed

[safe wing]

funny you menitoned this because I had the same idea

[eternal aspen]

we'd need torpedo cruisers to make eugen with all his guns

[shrewd inlet]

idk if im allowed to send links

[woven gate]

the free french military would've been much stronger

[shrewd inlet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/comments/1o4cc6x/hot_take_i_really_believe_paradox_shouldve_given/

[safe wing]

100%

hell France even had a plan to continue the war from Algeria IRL

[shrewd inlet]

honestly france could've acc went toe to toe w germany

[safe wing]

Just like the UK had a plan to continue the war from Canada if the home islands fell

[woven gate]

they could've WRECKED Germany if they were aggressive while Germany turned to invade Poland

[shrewd inlet]

true

[woven gate]

they could've made it to the Rhine at some point

[safe wing]

all they needed to do was take the control of the Ruhr reigon and it would be GG

[shrewd inlet]

They wouldve lost alot though, they were pretty shitty in some aspects but

the german army in 39/40 was not that great

[woven gate]

germany would've lost a lot too

[eternal aspen]

meanwhile, bismarck you can't even do until you get 1940 heavy ship guns for the 38cm SK C/34 main battery

[safe wing]

but Germany fighting a actual two front war in 1939 is basically unwinnable

[shrewd inlet]

oh deffo

[safe wing]

more faster than OTL

[shrewd inlet]

Poland had a decent ish army, France had arguably the best army on the continent

[grave sonnet]

An idea would be that the closer he is to surrendering the worse it gets and the more territory he gets the "healthier" he is

[shrewd inlet]

combined with a 2 front war france and britian couldve crumped germany

Germany was atleast semi impressive, Japan was an actual joke 🙏

[eternal aspen]

day 1 build for what's possible for the bismarck, you need BB armour 2, BB gun 3, and sonar for a BB too

but this still doesn't have enough mounts for AA

or secondaries

[shrewd inlet]

paradox add the 80s modernized USS Iowa 🙏

[patent thistle]

it did have 3,7 cms

if the space doesnt fit then i recomment using a 1940s hull

prinz eugen is often considered a completely seperate class

due to how many refits she had gotten

[eternal aspen]

he* and yea

germany believed their ships were male, because they were a relative patriarchy

also here's my historically accurate Leipzig Class

[rapid furnace]

what is the debug for doing any decision

[eternal aspen]

got rid of the 2nd AA emplacement as it only had 2 guns (based off the flagship of the class, leipzig), so it could get a 3rd gun

[patent thistle]

i forgot about that

[eternal aspen]

only issue is it had 9 guns, this only has 6 and can go up by 2

[patent thistle]

even tho i am german i often assosiate ships as she

[eternal aspen]

that's fair, other than germany it has pretty sure always been she

[patent thistle]

i am pretty sure there is a naval rework mod

[steel zephyr]

new hungary game 🤤

[patent thistle]

which allows you to add more stuff

[steel zephyr]

I hope transylvania event doesn't fire twice this time

[patent thistle]

send to bittersteel fr

[steel zephyr]

capitulated already

[patent thistle]

oof

[eternal aspen]

hope so, bc it'd be perfect for LARP without needing all the pain of BICE

[steel zephyr]

i tried to save it last miniute but my good troops on the transylvanian border just couldnt assist in the czech border in time

[patent thistle]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3574521037&searchtext=more+ship+slots

that should be it

I WOULD NOT WANT TO FIGHT THAT THING-

(another mod i found)

[patent thistle]

POV: german naval special project planners 42-45

[tardy wigeon]

wouldnt be agaisnt this lol

[patent thistle]

if you were the one that had it

[tardy wigeon]

true aint nothing getting past that

[patent thistle]

if you can actually get that thing build

cause i want to doupt that this would not be a problem

[tardy wigeon]

start 36 then finish by 45

[steel zephyr]

💀 yeah ok this one is gonna end up worse

[eternal aspen]

ig i should start working more on my mod

[patent thistle]

lowkey "might" end badly

would be an understament

[steel zephyr]

yikes

a run of good hungnary runs to be ruined by this and the last one

[patent thistle]

yeah thats an instant restart honestly

[steel zephyr]

yeah im gonna to now

my last game i was only three austrian states from Habsburg miklos horthy 😢

[patent thistle]

the only way you might have won it if you focused your defensive line on gyor and not budapest

[steel zephyr]

new day new hungary game

[patent thistle]

💀

[steel zephyr]

no because my line wouldnt shattered in the south anyways, had no entrenchment because i just moved it

[patent thistle]

israe

i thought this was an israel joke-

try to reinstall the game over steam

[sly venture]

nice

[winter badge]

Italy is doing anything but winning

[winter badge]

I have weird feeling that you may be playing hungary

[steel zephyr]

maybe

[sly venture]

they need to add more gambling to this game

[winter badge]

Nothing for sure tho

[winter badge]

There is gambling mod at least

[high vector]

most cursed border ever

[sly venture]

I want a 5 functional slot machines on standby for whenever am bored

[winter badge]

You mean albania

[winter badge]

Hoi4 should never get you bored

[steel zephyr]

https://giphy.com/gifs/pcJyEu8tuAXLdWeAbW

[steel zephyr]

https://giphy.com/gifs/sigma-chud-flatearthparaguay-UXTLYpFrU9JXKeCiga

[patent thistle]

putting these 2 mods together what could POSSIBLY go wrong

[sly venture]

THE HOI4 country you play DETERMINES YOUR TESTOSTERONE

[patent thistle]

what does it say about me when i say "random bullshit go" when i pick nations-?

[sly venture]

Dangerously high testosterone

[patent thistle]

funnily this unironically fits rightnow-

[vale lynx]

Agreed

[steel zephyr]

where the last run ended, this time no alliance between romania, czechia and yugo

[winter badge]

POLAND

POLAND

POLAND

POLAND

[steel zephyr]

there we go

[sly venture]

Depends if you have the focus tree

[winter badge]

As long As i remember few things determine they acceptance

Their opinion

[steel zephyr]

army size, their opinion, diplomatic pressure

[winter badge]

If you have many divisions at border

[steel zephyr]

and if romania is in a faction

[winter badge]

And army size

Ai more often folds not if someone has few good divisions but spam of 1 battalion cav

[violet veldt]

hey is mobile warfare good

[winter badge]

Ah yes

[violet veldt]

im playing novum vexillum for context also

[winter badge]

Fascist

Communist

Non aligned

And 6 kings

[sly venture]

if you align with Germany that is low testosterone

mb

We almost lost the plot

[winter badge]

Thats what i do for only tanks, only mech or only planes to support them

[sly venture]

if you play as normal Poland and defend that is high testosterone

[winter badge]

30 minutes of hell

[sly venture]

Because you are defending your territory and asserting dominance

the most low testosterone country is Italy

[winter badge]

I raged when i found out that roman empire decision gives cores on only coastal states

[sly venture]

Alright bro what am i saying

what am I actually talking about bro

[steel zephyr]

Poland still folded to the weaker USSR 🌹

maybe there is hope in this chud game

[winter badge]

Why the fk is ssr demanding east while not even winning civil war

[patent thistle]

because yes

[winter badge]

Hoi4 in nutshell

[snow rain]

they have the sov tag so the focus is done by stalin but they get the territory

[winter badge]

During civil wars original countries should retain their tags, yes i know that rebellions are made to win but still

[late trout]

Do you guys think i need more AA on my battleships?

[vital cove]

would be so fun when you're in the allies, then have a civil war, then the entire allies are now helping your opponent against you!

[snow rain]

monitor ass looking ship

[vital cove]

or many many other interactions

that would suck

if you would not have your original tag in the civil war

[winter badge]

Ye its lacking

[steel zephyr]

please don't double fire again 😢

[vital cove]

the game can't switch tags anyways afaik so you can't get your tag later

and focuses would just break

[late trout]

Hmmm

[winter badge]

This would be not fun but more realistic since allied forces would usually fight rebellion not country they are allied with

[vital cove]

that really depends

because factions in game are stupid

[vocal bolt]

when do I push

am lowkey farming

[winter badge]

Wasnt paradox about to improve faction dynamics

[vocal bolt]

just holding the line

[winter badge]

I mean Im uninformed so idk

[vital cove]

ncns is the supposed improved faction dynamic

it is some better aspects

but also some terrible ones

[winter badge]

Why exactly are you fighting italy

[vital cove]

like the UK going fascist and still having the allies and having faction rule of "no fascists allowed"

ah yes makes perfect sense

[vocal bolt]

felt silly

I hate them

[winter badge]

Paradox is truly a great game designer

[vocal bolt]

I have just been holding the line so far

jthey are throwing themsleves at me

[winter badge]

Recently in few of my nonhistorical gameplays italy was defeated by ethiopia and rejected by albania

[toxic cypress]

yeah

[safe wing]

still not as bad as modern Creative Assembly which is a low bar TBH

[toxic cypress]

what is that

u tryna shoot down birds?

ur never gonna hit a plane if u keep on like that

[vital cove]

there are also some stupid faction rules like
the leader can set a rule that only faction leader can change faction rules. and having that faction rule gives you stability debuff. and YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT BECAUSE THE RULE IS THAT ONLY LEADER CAN

[late trout]

Im facing bulgaria in 1938 so im just afraid their aircrafts might shoot down my boats

[toxic cypress]

how u gon shoot this down with that

[safe wing]

alliances in Medivial II were way more dynamic and intresting

and more broken on higher difficulties as the AI has a tendancey to backstab you if your reputation gets too low

[winter badge]

Tf

[safe wing]

@winter badge what I mean by this as France I attacked England while I was still allied with them, which made my reputation untrustworthy which led the HRE and Spain to attack me

[toxic cypress]

@safe wing shld i try to recreate alexander in ck3 or make a naval empire with greece in hoi4

[safe wing]

compared to my current French game where I cancelled my English alliance before I attacked them and no one attacked me

[safe wing]

do CK3

Alexander sounds way more fun than Hoi4 Greece

https://tenor.com/view/alexander-gif-10950931519431407187

just don't die of a fever in Babylon

[winter badge]

Hoi4 remaking past empires can be dull sometimes

[safe wing]

and have your generals fight a several decades long war over who gets what for your empire

[safe wing]

true

EU4 has a better coring system than Hoi4

[toxic cypress]

btw ima use the alexander audio to make a lockheed edit @safe wing 🙂

[safe wing]

like for example as Japan in EU4 I can core Californa but that takes time and investment

[winter badge]

You can lead country ❌

All of you can fight to destroy country and have fun✅

[safe wing]

basically Seleucus and Antigonus

Ptolmey meanwhile just chilled in Egypt

and played tall

[winter badge]

Egypt was empire and then was crashed by different other empires several times

Not enough camels i guess

[safe wing]

Egypt during the ptolomiec era suffered from bad leaders by the time they got a good leader (Cleopatra VII) they weren't in good shape

[toxic cypress]

im bouta cook some character design

ive gotten so good

at making greek characters

[safe wing]

like Ptolomiec Egypt was a Roman vassal in all but name

by the 2nd century BC

as it was heavily dependent on Rome to save its ass from the Seleucid and Armenian Empires

the Armenian Empire was no joke

[toxic cypress]

@safe wing rate my character design

[safe wing]

nice

[toxic cypress]

not anymore

rip armenia

[safe wing]

to Rome it was a joke

not to Ptolomeic Egypt and the Seleucids who were effectivly dying

[toxic cypress]

iranic ethnic group that got wiped outa their homelands till people think their homeland is the caucus

[winter badge]

Egipt in period of late new country was practically ungovernable

[safe wing]

pretty much

the Persian Empire dealt with an Egyptian uprising on a routine basis for example

[winter badge]

RIP library of alexandria

I wish i had this library in my home city

[safe wing]

Destroyed by Caesar when he settled the dispute between cleopatra and her brother

[winter badge]

Ladies, gentlemans lets calm down i have solution 😀

[safe wing]

Alexander’s body and tomb was probably destroyed by Constantine or Theodosius I during the anti pagan crackdowns of the later Roman Empire

[winter badge]

I hate disrespecting history

[safe wing]

Same

I hate Theodosius

[winter badge]

Its like destroying foundations that built what we have now

[safe wing]

He destroyed a lot of the monuments of the ancient world because the bishop of Milan guilt tripped him

[winter badge]

And no amount of hate gives right to destroy that

[winter badge]

People of church played Great role in history of destroying everything not useful for them

The amount of roman buildings that popes demolished in rome is really sad

[safe wing]

also the worst Roman Emperor was Theodosius's son

but to TBF to him he was 10 when his father died

his name was Honorius

[winter badge]

At that age noone should have power

[steel zephyr]

italy bruh

[winter badge]

They wouldnt withstand a single country here and they got whole ass coalition

[steel zephyr]

whats even funnier is that there are only yugoslav and romanian forces there, not even that many since romania and yugo are garrisoning my border

[stiff zinc]

why is it only showing the option to bypass this focus?

Austria is independent and is in no faction

they have a non-aligned ruler in the Habsburgs

what happened?

[vital cove]

what does it say there under the X

scroll down

[safe wing]

They have a Hapsburg aka your old ally

[stiff zinc]

I have been able to annex them before though?

[safe wing]

Weird

[stiff zinc]

while they have the Habsburgs

[vital cove]

scroll more? its of those that is off

[winter badge]

Hoi4 apparently doesnt like you

Or it respects treaty of versailles that forbiddes unification

[stiff zinc]

it apparently doesn't

this is the first and only time this has happened to me

[dull oak]

i deleted hoi4 cuz it just got really boring are there any mods i should get that might make it interesting again

[winter badge]

There was war crimes mod

But paradox banned it

[dull oak]

bro why

why is paradox so annoying like it’s a ww2 sim bro

[winter badge]

Since the only war crime allowed is stealing money from players for poor dlc

[dull oak]

in rome total war i can raze towns if i want to

💔

[winter badge]

😭

[dull oak]

20 pounds for an expansion in an area not involved in ww2

nice

bro i can send edits

so tuff

[winter badge]

Other are mods that alternate history or different times

Or immersion mods

Cant forget about magna europa

[dull oak]

what’s that

[winter badge]

It makes provinces much smaller

So you have to make more smaller divisions

Its just fun

[dull oak]

oh ale

[patent thistle]

wait, YOU CAN ADD LIGHT GUNS ON HEAVY CRUISER COASTAL DEFENSE SHIPS-

[frozen sparrow]

hey yall what would be a good country pair to teach a new player the ropes of the game

[wild spear]

just play germany

[hollow shoal]

i can explain..

should i just lowkey delete the game at this point

[frozen sparrow]

ik im the experenced player what would a good country for the newer player

[winter badge]

Prolly tanu tuva or bhutan

[hollow shoal]

i learned thro romania and hungary theyre fun and try out germany too

NEVER do yugoslavia tho

[frozen sparrow]

yeah i was thinking UK and canada for the newer player

[hollow shoal]

canada is good but UK nah not rlly ur a naval superpower and navy is hard

ive been playing for a month n i still dont know how navy works

[winter badge]

Tbh usa isnt bad to newer players

[frozen sparrow]

im experence 1000+ hours im just playing with my dad for the first time and was wondering what would be good for him

[wild spear]

turkey without the dlc

[hollow shoal]

Btw can someone help me understand sum things i actually at times have no idea what im doing

i micro manage set up frontlines and stuff

i can ig do templates

[frozen sparrow]

light crusers and destroyes for navy and shift click front lines

[hollow shoal]

get my manpower up set up a war eco n pick out theorists n stuff and understand national focuses

[hollow shoal]

Holy peak pfp

https://tenor.com/view/winged-hussars-gif-5878084

[winter badge]

Thanks

[hollow shoal]

Oh well damn

@winter badge do u perhaps know how to play hoi4?

[winter badge]

WINGED HUSSARS 🇵🇱 🇵🇱 🇵🇱 🇵🇱 🇵🇱 🇱🇹 🇱🇹 🇱🇹 🇱🇹

[winter badge]

Maybe

[hollow shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/vienna-poland-polish-nationalism-based-gif-25556957

[hollow shoal]

Well i need ur opinion on something if i can dm u

[winter badge]

Sure

[icy lion]

1944, is this not good?

[frozen sparrow]

ooooof nooo mannn

[patent thistle]

.

[patent thistle]

eh, atleast he aint loosing?

[frozen sparrow]

yeah just not light batterys

[frozen sparrow]

i guess

[sly venture]

i have 500 hours and this is my first time playing japan

[patent thistle]

this looks cursed as hell-

[slim idol]

I've done the same thing

No one likes japan

[sly venture]

ts so confusing

[patent thistle]

context: the only reason i am even refitting those so i save up manpower by not needing port guards

[winter badge]

I have some hours and i never touched japan

[vocal bolt]

first time playing germany did I do well

excuse the horrid map

I forgot to turn the war participation things on

[winter badge]

Wait

You turned on ussr before allies?

[violet quartz]

why does yugoslavia like getting encircled so much

[hollow shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/soviet-union-ussr-soviet-union-edit-edit-meme-gif-152385514946564966

[patent thistle]

i do not know what the hell is happening in europe anymore (dont mind the baltics being split between me and poland)

[toxic cypress]

wait this fits better

[safe wing]

can we agree that this is the best Italy path?

Democratic King/Christian Democracy

because of the fact it does this

1: requires no civil war to achive

2: gets rid of the civil war mechanic

3: gives you access to all the fascist war goals

4: you can form Greater Italy, Rome or even the European Union

[restive sable]

democratic king is the better option by a mile

[timid trail]

yo chat

[restive sable]

the king gets a TON of buffs iirc

[timid trail]

Should I do TFR or TNO?

better question, how tf do I play this game?

-# I'm new

[woven gate]

never tried it

[woven gate]

TFR is schizophrenic but fun

TNO is the best most beautiful mod but it sucks to play

[safe wing]

I didn't but when I did I wish I tried it earlier

[timid trail]

I'ma play TFR

hmm...

what country...

I'm interested in Russia, Britain, Germany... maybe someone else too....

[vital cove]

the best option is actually the pope

[woven gate]

the best option is not playing italy

[safe wing]

one problem, it takes too long

[vital cove]

meh

[restive sable]

havent done that path cant judge

[timid trail]

broooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

what TFR nation do I play?

[uncut pollen]

Germany

[timid trail]

alr

also hi

[uncut pollen]

Welcome

[hollow shoal]

idk what im doing wrong at this point

i think i micro manage too much that i open a line n then this happens

[leaden mulch]

Do a field marshal front line by shift left clicking rather than just left clicking which should solve gaps in your frontline

[leaden mulch]

What do your divisions look like

[dawn marlin]

I wont but at what cost

i tunneled too hard on uk

[sudden grotto]

TNO is for schizo, TFR is for schizo too

[gaunt raven]

noob

I never lose europe

ever

[tulip thorn]

If you are new dont go strait into mods

Learn base game first

[timid trail]

yeah, idk how

[gaunt raven]

do mods first

[raven lava]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1242804863805423720/1409250272445993052/attachment-25.gif

[gaunt raven]

its funner

screw normal game

[timid trail]

and I'm getting bored of it

mods look shiny

[gaunt raven]

I've got a great starter mod for you

play black ice

[dusty onyx]

.

[raven lava]

My first game of hoi4 was kaiserreich not vanilla lol

[gaunt raven]

👀

[timid trail]

I know what that is 😭

[tulip thorn]

Then do a mod that doesnt just fully change how base game works

[timid trail]

like?

[raven lava]

My first ever country to be played was KR Austria

[gaunt raven]

fake

[tulip thorn]

Play Kaiserreich, Road to 56, equestria at war. Kaiserredux.

[timid trail]

what country in Kaiserreich?

[dawn marlin]

dominion of canada

reclaim the uk

[tulip thorn]

Just play what ever looks good to you lol

[dawn marlin]

from the socialists

[timid trail]

idk what does

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[timid trail]

That would be fun

anything else?

[dawn marlin]

ottomans and bulgaria

[tulip thorn]

Sardinia

[dawn marlin]

or russia

[timid trail]

seems a bit small

[dawn marlin]

u reclaim italy in the civil war

[tulip thorn]

Its very easy to unite italy again as them

[timid trail]

yeah well, I cant fight Afghanistan as Iran

or invade Poland

I cant do 90% of civil wars T^T

[dawn marlin]

ur an island so its chill

[timid trail]

well

I think I'll do Canada

[sharp sierra]

play germany

just bite the bullet and play germany

watch someone else play

[timid trail]

I have been for years now

I've got 64hrs on this game already

with some prior experience too

[sharp sierra]

and u cant play

[ruby plaza]

Hello

How to win with trostky against my friend

When i select ussr he selects germany and beats me all the time

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/russia-lit-turnt-party-gif-9345649

[crimson crane]

is it better to do concentrated or dispersed industry?

[heavy vigil]

conc 98% of the time

[sharp sierra]

are there any dumb youtubers left who try to argue for dispersed

i remember them being like oh no you could get bombed

[woven gate]

canada main here, i can help if you need

[timid trail]

noice

[woven gate]

concentrated unless you think you're gonna get bombed to hell

[timid trail]

any advice?

[twin nebula]

we musn't placate eric raeder

[quick jungle]

Air is meant to be simpler than navy but took longer for me to figure it out than navy

[lost coral]

"America went up in flames"

[twin nebula]

I still can't fully figure out air

[sharp sierra]

tghe planes they fly

[quick jungle]

It’s basic, just Press Z when selecting air wings, and send them to a region, they begin taking the air dominance, thus saving your troops

And your supply lines

[sacred pilot]

a better axis

[quick jungle]

How brutal was this yall?

[lost coral]

damn, thast crazy

pretty much their whole fleet

https://klipy.com/gifs/war-1000-yard-stare

[quick jungle]

It was most of their fleet btw

Their navy got crippled after that

And guess who won a month later after that?

[lost coral]

brittain who just popped 2 divisions in there and made them capitulate?

[safe wing]

as brutal as this medevial II battle

or in short quite impressive

[quick jungle]

Bro, I’ve got straight 0s in total war games

[lost coral]

NO WAY

WTF

[quick jungle]

I fought the imperials alone

[safe wing]

383 against 1885 though

[lost coral]

ARE YOU SPARTA OR SS?

[lost coral]

nice

[safe wing]

I'm france

[quick jungle]

I had a defense of 800, and an attacker of 3,000 and guess who lost everything

[lost coral]

litteraly my game for the past 5 years

[safe wing]

the attacker

[lost coral]

how

[quick jungle]

Bro, you don’t need to censor the German flag as far as I know here

[lost coral]

better to prevent than to remediate

[quick jungle]

It was because they attacked 1 side of the fort, which allowed me to concentrate artillery fire

[lost coral]

its the "realistic" once

[quick jungle]

I know

[safe wing]

I put my crossbows on the high ground which they had the height advantage and held with the heavy infantry on the bridge while my calvary charged them from the flanks repeditly

[quick jungle]

It’s easy to do straight 0s in total war

[lost coral]

nice

[carmine sinew]

never trust hungarians

[safe wing]

got lucky and their general died in a charge and they folded like a house of cards

[gaunt raven]

anyway this is the game I started

[lost coral]

hahaha

[lost coral]

what is the date?

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/impress-based-american-psycho-very-based-impressive-very-based-gif-21665669

[gaunt raven]

august 1942

[lost coral]

nice

[gaunt raven]

https://tenor.com/view/paul-allen-not-great-gif-19799010

socialist germany is actually really underratedd

[quick jungle]

Communist path taker, immediately delete your save

[gaunt raven]

first time taking this path btw

I usually just go facist or kaiser

but I got bored

[quick jungle]

Democratic Germany would have been a better option than all

[gaunt raven]

wanted to spice things up

[gaunt raven]

democrat

i'd rather not have a corrupt inside

[quick jungle]

“Democrat” I’m a federalist actually

[lost coral]

i turned this into a wasteland

[quick jungle]

Democracy ≠ Corrupt

[gaunt raven]

planning to do the same

[gaunt raven]

it does

[lost coral]

communism is litteraly the most corrupt ideology to ever exist, not in theory, but in practice

[lost coral]

planning to do it again

[gaunt raven]

democracy and communism

[quick jungle]

I always play democratic Bulgaria because I don’t have to be hyper aggressive to get rid of the 2nd national catastrophe and to rearm

[gaunt raven]

just one was bigger than the other

[sharp sierra]

why wwould u fight ur own navy in a civil war

[quick jungle]

Democracy doesn’t instantly make a nation corrupt, it’s the idiots that don’t do their jobs properly

[heavy vigil]

please read the #server-rules about controversial topics and politics :)

[lost coral]

usa rn

[lost coral]

okay

[gaunt raven]

😭

[quick jungle]

One fleet, which was vastly larger than mine, was under imperial control, my smaller but superior navy came out on top

[gaunt raven]

but the second a nation is communist it is?

[quick jungle]

Takes a few seconds of seeing their history

[lost coral]

WHY

WHAT

HOW

WHO

WHEN

WHERE

[sharp sierra]

you dont have to destroy your own navy to win the civil war

[quick jungle]

I nuked manchukuo 3 times one moment

[gaunt raven]

ethiopia goat

[lost coral]

ethiopian capital in china

[sharp sierra]

one thing i did do before the japanese civil war was delete all of the submarines

[quick jungle]

The thing is, their ships were too weak for me to refurbish into stuff I could use

[sharp sierra]

wdym more ships are better

refitting is for nerds

[quick jungle]

My fleet was smaller but also, more experienced and advanced

I feel like nuking Moscow

[safe wing]

USSR corruption was bad as it led them from being a first rate power to a second rate power in a matter of years

But that’s all I going to say

[quick jungle]

Imma spoiler this part rq cuz it’s modern and very sensitive

[sharp sierra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/781481778795118612/1273993273857544283/i_play_roblox.gif

[quick jungle]

||the current Russian army is also facing mass corruption since there were a massive loss of equipment and even fake stuff being given to infantry, like ERA being just pure rubber, hardened carboard combat cests||

||and a lot of uniforms being gone||

[safe wing]

Let’s stop and be careful with this

[quick jungle]

Very recent too

[safe wing]

We already made our point no reason to go all in

[gaunt raven]

this reminds me

poor britain

[quick jungle]

Exactly why I spoiled it

[gaunt raven]

💔

went from being a world power to

just an island

[quick jungle]

Largest navy to being smaller than americas

[lost coral]

irl?

[quick jungle]

Ye

[gaunt raven]

so true

[lost coral]

i dont doubt

[gaunt raven]

what ever happened to the british navy anyway

[lost coral]

but why the uniforms?

[gaunt raven]

could they just not fund it anymoroe

[lost coral]

wtf?

[gaunt raven]

after losing colonies

[quick jungle]

It was literally on the news awhile back, you can literally find info about it

[twin nebula]

1941

[quick jungle]

I don’t even know

[gaunt raven]

I have no clue what happened to british power

[lost coral]

yea

[gaunt raven]

why does your game look weird

[lost coral]

why are your graphics weird?

[gaunt raven]

what did you do

[twin nebula]

???

[quick jungle]

Probably the materials used to make them which made them valuable and good to sell

[gaunt raven]

this is one of my screenshots

what does yours look like that

[lost coral]

its strange

[gaunt raven]

why is it all compressedd

like a phone

what are your graphici settings

[twin nebula]

I turned off the night cycle

[quick jungle]

I think they are using steam link to play it

[twin nebula]

and cities

[gaunt raven]

😭

wait lowk

[lost coral]

compare

[quick jungle]

Weirdo

[gaunt raven]

thats a fire idea

I can play on my phone in bed

[lost coral]

sorry for half of screen covered

[quick jungle]

You do not need that many armies

[gaunt raven]

please just make a new theater

PLEASE

make a new theater

[lost coral]

yes i do

[quick jungle]

I can play with a few perfectly fine and always win

[lost coral]

im good

[twin nebula]

you can do that????

[gaunt raven]

covering your flag was so genius

[lost coral]

imma just finnish off this war and disband everything

[safe wing]

Communist Germany is the weakest Germany when it comes to end game monarchist Germany and democratic Germany can form eu and Nazi germany greater German Reich

[lost coral]

yea

[gaunt raven]

I totally cant see ur units