hoi4-general

[sage plover]

id bump up gotterdamerung cuz the germany focus tree is peak

but its upto opinion

[quasi shoal]

gotterdammerung ONLY adds the althist section tho

literally nothing else

the rest of it is free

[sage plover]

again, austria and hungary are also some greats

[quasi shoal]

true

but also it's quite expensive

[sage plover]

sadly

[quasi shoal]

especially for mostly just focus trees

[sage plover]

id still reccomend it

the amount of hours you can get outta the alt hist path of germany alone is mad

[vocal bolt]

I honesly dont know what to do lmao I have 70 hours but I dont remember naything

[quasi shoal]

ehh

[vocal bolt]

its been years since I last played

[quasi shoal]

I've gotten more from NCNS so far

[vocal bolt]

am horrible with any battle that has more than 10 divs

dont even get me started on naval or air

[quasi shoal]

oh i'd play vanilla for a bit tbh

[vocal bolt]

I just dont touch those

[sage plover]

dw, we all start out that way

[quasi shoal]

to get more used to it before more features are added

[sage plover]

yeahh may be best

[vocal bolt]

I like playing small nations

[quasi shoal]

I absolutely would

air is soooo important

navy maybe not

[vocal bolt]

tryna unite austra hungary rn

[quasi shoal]

but air wins wars

[sage plover]

D:

as a brit, that offends me

[vocal bolt]

yeah I dont have a coastline

[quasi shoal]

in general tho

[quasi shoal]

I find navy fun

but like

it's only so important

[sage plover]

air is def very important tho

[vocal bolt]

does sub spam still work

[quasi shoal]

depends

[vocal bolt]

I remember that being a thing

like early sub spam

[quasi shoal]

light cruiser spam is better for most things

but sub 3 spam is still pretty good

especially if you're up against the uk or sumn

[twin nebula]

yo what did the mongols make

[quasi shoal]

you can cut off all their supplies

[twin nebula]

took over mongolia

and this was a template

[sage plover]

btw doesnt gotterdamerung add the special facilitys?

or were they added to base game

[vocal bolt]

hussar division my goat

hungary horse div so goated

[quasi shoal]

they're in base game

gotterdammerung adds more projects

and it adds some raids

[sage plover]

ah alr

[quasi shoal]

that's it

[sage plover]

just making sure

[vocal bolt]

do nukes still suck balls

[sage plover]

i never had to play without the dlcs

[quasi shoal]

they're not AS bad

they can be good

but I'm not really a fan of making them since it's kinda hard to get many until later

[vocal bolt]

I never go into tank stuff

is that normal

I do like horse divs with arty and support engi+ support aa

[quasi shoal]

that's normal among new players from what I've seen

[quasi shoal]

but these divs aren't very good

[quasi shoal]

tanks aren't really that fun until you get to no step back

[sage plover]

yeah tanks terrified me for the first 200 hours of play time tbh

[quasi shoal]

they're pretty simple tbh

also they're super fun in no step back

[sage plover]

oh yeah

[quasi shoal]

you can just melt everything

[vocal bolt]

too much cost

[grizzled zenith]

Can Japan that was turned democratic by the allies turn fascist if it has more than 50% fascism support?

[vocal bolt]

gotta research them

make divs for them

[quasi shoal]

nah not really

[quasi shoal]

research shouldn't take too long

[sage plover]

a single tank div can turn the tide of a war if used right

[quasi shoal]

esp without no step back

[vocal bolt]

also half the countries I play start ith debuffs

hungary

[quasi shoal]

depending on the minor you play, tanks aren't viable

[quasi shoal]

tanks are viable as hungary

[sage plover]

as hungary i usually just have like, 5 mil factorys on tanks

[vocal bolt]

treaty of trianon just wrecks me

[sage plover]

just sumin, and a single tank div

[quasi shoal]

so rush to get rid of it

[quasi shoal]

if you wanna make tanks, you'll need more of an investment than 5 mils

[sage plover]

if you like hungary, it becomes so good after goterdamerung

[quasi shoal]

at that point I wouldn't make tanks

[sage plover]

early game im

i mean

just to build up a little stockpile

[quasi shoal]

I wouldn't make tanks then

[vocal bolt]

I rush for unification of austria first msotly

so germany cant snatch it before I can

[quasi shoal]

if you can't get like 15 or so mils on tanks, there are usually better investments

[sage plover]

then i can add more when i get em

[vocal bolt]

how do I optimize my buildings

[sage plover]

thats usually what i do, just to pad out the army

[quasi shoal]

civs til early 37, mils for the rest of the game

[vocal bolt]

Do I just spam civs till 1938

[vocal bolt]

ah

trade worth ?

[sage plover]

except if your soviets

[quasi shoal]

REAL men ONLY build dockyards as soviets

dockyard build soviets IS amazing

[sage plover]

well im GAY so i wouldnt KNOW

if you play the 5 year plan as soviets right tho, you can have 41 tech in 37-38

u usually civ greed as soviets till 39.

i*

[vocal bolt]

I should really get dlc fr

[sage plover]

get used to base game first tho

cuz it is expensive

you gotta know if its sumin you plan on actually using

[vocal bolt]

is dispersed industry still the goat

[sage plover]

no clue

ive gotten told off for using dispersed, and got told to not use concentrated either

so i have no clue which is better

[slim idol]

88.2 hours?

[vocal bolt]

uh huh

years ago tho

I doubt it means anything

like 2022 or so

[sage plover]

yeah nah, id say play the base game, see how your feeling it, then give it a go

[graceful kettle]

civs to 39 the old tactics have never failed me 😈

[slim idol]

I have like 500 hours

[vocal bolt]

why did they remove the video tutorials

that were built into the game

[sharp sierra]

i think they were mega booty cheeks

idk i never seen them

[sage plover]

as any country other then the soviets, thats a diabolical strat

[graceful kettle]

in singleplayer it’s fine

[queen fox]

I just bought hoi4 whats the best way to learn this stuff looks so complicated and hard to get into it

[sage plover]

not if your playing a majour lol

[lusty river]

what do they want me to do 😭

[sage plover]

you get called to war in 39

[graceful kettle]

it gives you the capacity for an absolutly insane industry

[graceful kettle]

france is literally so free

and d-day is so far away

that you can build up forever

[sage plover]

bro is not getting the aunchluss to 39 </3

[sharp sierra]

and slush

alsoschluss

[slim idol]

Polschluss. They accept the ultimatum

[shy bloom]

uhhh wtf

[slim idol]

Your game is over bro

No way you gon beat the brotherhood of south America

[grizzled zenith]

You're not alone

[slim idol]

That's more reasonable, at least they share the Hispanic part

[grizzled zenith]

What did Switzerland do to deserve to be invaded by the Allies bruh

[slim idol]

They didn't improve relations

[shy bloom]

bruh

[torn stream]

How many hours did you have when you were good at hoi? I have almost 100 and i have problems with Benelux Norway and Soviets as Germany 🤧

[shy bloom]

ITS A CORE STATE

[grizzled zenith]

Now it's even more democratic

[shy bloom]

2000 hours to understand navy atleast

[torn stream]

🫩

[grizzled zenith]

I think I defeated the Soviets for the first time at like 150 hours

[sharp sierra]

probably by 300 i was able to start putting a pillow undert the ai's hips and just

[torn stream]

Okay

Germany is best option for beginners?

[sharp sierra]

i agree with that

[torn stream]

I mostly play as a Poland on non historical

[twin nebula]

I have less than 2000 hours

and I can understand navy

but not air

[sharp sierra]

must suck to have a learning disability

did you hear about the chinese bio lab in california that got busted they were trying to cross dna between a cheetah and a crab things went sideways fast

[vocal bolt]

why even bother

everything evolves into crabs anyway

could have just waited it out smh

[deep dagger]

Gng are you from Switzerland?

[slim idol]

No but it's funny when ppl think I am

[deep dagger]

Alr I just asked because I am from Switzerland actually

[sharp sierra]

stolen valor

[hoary sigil]

Actually?

[sharp sierra]

im wondering if he means in a more in depth way like how agility works or something

[hoary sigil]

hopefully he does

that would be a lot better than not knowing how to right click mission

[twin nebula]

I can like move planes around and basic shi

I'm just not good at air

like at all

[hoary sigil]

The designs?

[twin nebula]

no just like

so many types of planes

I dunno what to do with em

[hoary sigil]

ohh

[azure walrus]

im liechtenstein, should i puppet or annex

[twin nebula]

puppet

unless

wait

which path

you doing

[azure walrus]

russia

these bums gave up burgen land

😠

my favorite balkan state: iraq

[deep dagger]

Is this rt56, didn’t play this mod for a while

[azure walrus]

yes

[finite plume]

Honestly bro I can't believe PDX never uses Bangkok's official name

It's just so much better

[heavy vigil]

@devs change the name NOW

[neat kayak]

Unpop opinion but China is the best minor nation to play

good challenge and not very powercreep

[uncut pollen]

save to say that i cant win this

[spiral linden]

I am running out of countries to play in vanilla someone give me a country and then a focus path to go down plz

[azure walrus]

this can happen?

[neat kayak]

sent it to dm

i wanna give it a try

[azure walrus]

play the latvian military directorate

[spiral linden]

Okay

I have to do it with hist ai off tho or I am finished

[neat kayak]

you can do it with historical ai on

[spiral linden]

I will die

[neat kayak]

it's possible

[spiral linden]

In 2 minutes

[neat kayak]

i did it

i managed to do it

[spiral linden]

Yeah well I am not that cool 😭

[neat kayak]

.

.

[uncut pollen]

if i find how to find my save files

[spiral linden]

Oh my god I did not realize how bad Latvia is

https://tenor.com/view/am-i-cookedd-am-i-cooked-gif-7478847585523279700

[finite plume]

Those troops are supplied by hopes and dreams 🙏

[azure walrus]

american civil war

[azure walrus]

those troops are destined to save the world

[heavy vigil]

strongest start out of the baltics

[spiral linden]

I hate the Baltics then

😭

I have 0 manpower already and 2 subs for my navy and like 2 air craft

I am so finished

[uncut pollen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/undertale-nuh-uh-asriel-0cqKiEmGrCWtcJ6hIP

[azure walrus]

the latvian military directorate is cool, i played it and it was VERY enjoable

i did it with hist ai on because the goddamn baltics will boot lick the soviets 99% of the time otherwise

[spiral linden]

True

[azure walrus]

the problem is you dont get wargoals thru focus tree

(latvian military directorate)

[spiral linden]

Yeah I was looking through it its really small

[azure walrus]

so i had to justify myself

if you dont want to

you can play the lithuanian junta instead

[spiral linden]

I mean it doesn't help this is my first time playing in the Baltics

[spiral linden]

Nah I am going to lock in on this now

[azure walrus]

you go then mr kaiser

it's in your hands now

[spiral linden]

I will take no steps back

And will get it done by blood alone

[azure walrus]

take up arms against soviet tyranny

[spiral linden]

In the graveyard of empires

[azure walrus]

find people to man the guns

and make neither compromise nor surrender

[spiral linden]

I will put them through trials of allegiances

They will face death or dishonor

And idk how to do the rest of the dlcs

[azure walrus]

do not tremble from the thunder at your gates

and you may survive the road to '56

are you doing hist ai on or off

[spiral linden]

Off

I dont want the soviets breathing down my neck

[uncut pollen]

sended

[neat kayak]

i will have a look after i finish my chinese run

[azure walrus]

1st time i seen ai do this

[azure walrus]

then you shall bend neither to the red flood nor to the german kaiserreich

unite the baltics in the face of a collapsing world

[vocal bolt]

My allies randomly declared war on me

all of them at once

[azure walrus]

and defy the rise of radicalism

[azure walrus]

who you playing

[spiral linden]

True this isn't some great war...redux

[vocal bolt]

austria hungary

all of europe was in one faction including me

then they just kicked me out and waged war on me

I deid in like 10 secs bc I didnt have my borders protected

[azure walrus]

yeah the ai tends to do that i think

invading ukraine rn

[spiral linden]

I remember playing austria Hungary during the time of the death and dishonor dlc and I was allied to the german empire then they just kicked me out the faction, invited italy to it then kicked my ass on two fronts

[uncut pollen]

alright

[quiet vessel]

typa shit that i see in europe when im playing in asia

[azure walrus]

omw to reform the russian empire

[spiral linden]

Is this road to 56?

[azure walrus]

yes

istg rt56 devs js looked at liechtenstein's monarchist tree and said "random bullshit go"

[spiral linden]

I have never played it before the only mods I have played is the one where Germany wins ww1 and the great war redux

[safe wing]

Lichtensteins monarchy was related to the Russian monarchy

[azure walrus]

look to my right... HRE, look to my left... Russian Empire. These partners stink of poo

[azure walrus]

but the liechtensteiner monarchy is just gone

there isnt even a tsar

its just this general

[safe wing]

real question how are you going to conquer Russia considering you don't border them

[azure walrus]

he does have national spirit "soldier tsar" so maybe hes schizo and proclaimed himself tsar

[uncut pollen]

@ripe slate is that true?

my sweet potato

:3

[azure walrus]

i will make a border

im playing with a certain preset

[spiral linden]

I am almost at the military dictatorship focus

Ts is peak

[azure walrus]

by the way

you can go do the latvian paramilitarist tree

"latvia for latvians" and subsequent focuses

and then at the end just do the anti german propaganda

you keep most of the bonuses you get from the tree

alternatively you could just banish celmins

but i found the "latvia for latvians" to be of greater assistance

[spiral linden]

Ty king

I am going to lock in with this

[azure walrus]

you got this

[finite plume]

For some reason Okinawa in base game has really wonky province borders, so I fixed them

(In base game the provinces literally just go into the water and don't really follow the land)

(They're also really square/cubic)

[umbral agate]

why cant i do this?

[finite plume]

Any state you fully own (That you had before any war) must still be controlled by you

You probably owned an overseas colony that got taken over

[azure walrus]

alright im ready for the northern expedition(totally not stolen name)

time to reclaim holy russia from the communist heathens

[grizzled zenith]

Does it have a decision to reform the Russian Empire?

Last time I checked it didn't

[waxen oyster]

Hey guys quick question 🙂 I just won as Japan against China. Do I give everything to my reformed China government or annex it as Japan first? Idk the new update that well yet lol

[grizzled zenith]

If you mean take it yourself and then transfer to reformed China then what's the point?
If you take for yourself then you have to garrison all that but some paths allow you to core land in Asia I'm pretty sure
If you transfer it to your puppet China it will core all of China eventually

[waxen oyster]

Okok Thad’s what I was wondering, so just give it to them in the peace deal.

[grizzled zenith]

Why split Carpatho Ukraine from the rest of Ukraine?

[waxen oyster]

I wasn’t sure if I was supposed to annex them a decision or something to give them

[grizzled zenith]

Yeah

[waxen oyster]

Okok did it 🙂 thanks

I still get so many factories lol

[left tusk]

Mayonaise.

[grizzled zenith]

Mayonnaise is good

[azure walrus]

they can build in their land themselves

[grizzled zenith]

Oh right

[azure walrus]

so when i annex i will have more factories

[grizzled zenith]

True

[grizzled zenith]

But can Lichtenstein from the Russian Empire? Last time I went this path I didn't see a decision to reform the Russian Empire so I just assumed it can't and didn't bother conquering Russia

[azure walrus]

yes

[grizzled zenith]

Oh damn

[azure walrus]

you have to annex russia first apparently

[grizzled zenith]

Should try it out later then

[grizzled zenith]

Ohh

Makes sense

[azure walrus]

only then does the decision show up

w rt56 devs

[grizzled zenith]

Well then I'll try that tomorrow after conquering the world as the Mongol Empire in vanilla

Also Albania-Egypt should be fun but I didn't bother trying it either

[azure walrus]

yippe

then you take back regions one by one ig, also wtf is happened here

[grizzled zenith]

Why are parts of Russia released?

[azure walrus]

i set the map to be preset like so

[grizzled zenith]

Oh

[azure walrus]

because i felt like it

[grizzled zenith]

Ok

[grizzled zenith]

Fair enough XD

[grizzled zenith]

I thinj you should ask the devs of R56 in the R56 discord server

[azure walrus]

fair

[grizzled zenith]

If you're supposed to core Yemen

Well, good night chat

[azure walrus]

gn

[sharp sierra]

this is my favorite 2d plane icon

[waxen oyster]

You guys recommend any YouTubers who would be a good guide for Japan lol? The tree is overwhelming compared to the last one. I took China by 1938 so not sure what the next steps should be lol. I figured going against America soon would be good

[heavy vigil]

since when do you play japan

[sharp sierra]

🤷‍♂️

sometimes

im playing democratic japan

dude sinking enemy ships war score is insane

[azure walrus]

this russian empire is a scam bro, the only thing i core is what i circled in red

this aint russia, this is muscovy 😭

check this out

[opal nymph]

Russian Russia

[azure walrus]

hmm this floor is made of floor

[green magnet]

idk but i see this working

[azure walrus]

alright im ending it here

rt56 luxembourg is lwk kinda bland

i expected to core all of the ussr as the luxembourg's "russian empire"

[half onyx]

@ripe slate update needed

[azure walrus]

but im not fully sure what the intent was so its pretty fine

there was a bug and it is reportedly fixed now so thats great 👍

[ripe slate]

It isnt Road to 56 if you can core Russia as Luxembourgh afaik

[azure walrus]

?

[ripe slate]

If you have country-independent formables thats an RP feature Im guessing

[azure walrus]

this is the normal mod

"The Road to 56"

[ripe slate]

hmmm

[azure walrus]

i can tell bc the country-independent formables arent present

its the other monarchist path where you become a tsardom

if you conquer russia a decision appears to "form russia"

[ripe slate]

ah

[azure walrus]

but it only gives cores on the northwest 🙁

there is also a decision to core the kuban but thats it

im js not sure if that was intentional

im assuming it was

[azure walrus]

bulgaria game(bc tired of italy)

[halcyon pasture]

modded commie canada cold war go brr

[safe wing]

Canada should rebrand as north American people’s republic in your game tbh

Yk kinda wish that was a formable for Canada and communist USA

And Mexico even

[uncut pollen]

i smell kfc

[split bane]

Bro what is that Canadian flag 💔
The gear and wheat on the Canadian pale just doesn't work, especially when the gear and wheat are different colours

[azure walrus]

???

[calm delta]

well thats odd

[mighty bone]

why invade russia if you can ally them

top 10 tips the allies dont want you to know

[halcyon pasture]

its the irl commie party flag lol

[normal zinc]

What does an mio task capacity mean?

[split bane]

It isn't
The gear and wheat is the party logo, but they're supposed to be the same colour
The Canadian pale (the flag the logo is on) wasn't made until 1965 and even today the party doesn't combine the logo and the pale together

[slim idol]

He probably got wargoal on the Soviet tag, and joined the faction because of that

[quasi shoal]

huh

odd

i'd drop a few of the marines to get that combat width down

[uncut pollen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/shaking-food-hungry-OapNdFPJMxn0c

[quasi shoal]

you tryna buy me some fried chicken bruh

[uncut pollen]

we can make some

you only have to catch TheCanadianChicken

[quasi shoal]

[split bane]

[uncut pollen]

[azure walrus]

??!?

[high mortar]

hello

im new

[azure walrus]

nonhist italy game #2

[mystic nest]

They really need to let us find a way to invite the netherlands, belgium and luxemborg in

no european unity for me :(

I should do a run where I try to splinter the rest of the world as much as possible

liberating EVERYTHING

[tulip thorn]

Bye bye cpu

[mystic nest]

lmao it starts lagging lik 47

[high mortar]

what did you do to the Motherland?!?!?

[mystic nest]

liberated most of the soviet republics

or puppeted

[tulip thorn]

Its now the french land

[mystic nest]

i couldve puppeted japan but like i didnt bother

they just declared on me so i guess ill get another chance

[high mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/gulag-commuism-commusit-doge-gif-6430844717502519144

[mystic nest]

last time i puppeted eveyr piece of soviet land that had a city

so i had a russia left with no capital city

stuck in a vast empty swathe of siberia

no civs no mils either

[high mortar]

when i buy HOI4 during sale i swear im gonna take over france

and then every country

[mystic nest]

france is free to take over as any other european major

its literally programmed to capitulate

to cater to new germany players

if you defend germany the war ends in 41

and i just built up from 41 to 44 before declaring on the ussr

[tulip thorn]

Holding as france is so easy but really fun to do ngl

[mystic nest]

ended with like 20:1 casualty ratio in an offesnive war against the ussr

[tulip thorn]

Love seeing the germans constantly run into my lines

[mystic nest]

yeah especially if you go strengthen little entente

if the czechs have their forts then the germans really really struggle to break through

[high mortar]

i have a question, how far does the tech go?

[mystic nest]

france?

or what

[high mortar]

i mean like just all tech

tanks, planes, ect

[mystic nest]

like 46 i think

[tulip thorn]

Normal tech tree ends about 46

Special projects can go into the 50s

[high mortar]

so no fighter jet? 🙁

[tulip thorn]

Special projects

[mystic nest]

yes jet

[high mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/mig19s-gif-25536249

[mystic nest]

but like

ive never actually used them in a normal game

[tulip thorn]

Same

[mystic nest]

since you can kill all majors easily by 45

so by the time theyre researched you control the world

[high mortar]

one more question can a game go on forever basicly? or is it just ww2 like i mean if i play singleplayer if it has it

[mystic nest]

yes

it can go forever

[tulip thorn]

After 48 very little is going to happen

[mystic nest]

^

[tulip thorn]

But yes it can go forever

You could play to 2000 if you want

[high mortar]

just go to war with US or smth that would be fun

[tulip thorn]

But nothing will happen

[mystic nest]

you can kill them easily by 45

even without prioritising them

[quasi shoal]

you can play to 3000 hypothetically

[quasi shoal]

you can kill them easily before 45

[mystic nest]

yueah without prioritising

if im playing in europe i usually knock out japan and the ussr first

[quasi shoal]

oh I usually take out the US before the USSR

cuz I find invading a late game US to be boring asl

[mystic nest]

lol by then i usually have tanks

[high mortar]

people got beef with the USSR for some reason

[mystic nest]

which still shred through late game us

[mystic nest]

no its just that theres a lot of land and resources you can take if oyu cap them

[quasi shoal]

I usually invade through canada tho

and that's sooooo boringggg

[mystic nest]

no supply mate

go through mexico

[tulip thorn]

Maybe I do, Maybe I dont

[quasi shoal]

slog

[quasi shoal]

that's annoying tho

[high mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/soviet-cat-soviet-union-gif-15291334259104501680

[mystic nest]

at least you have supply

[quasi shoal]

I can still win in canada if I go early enough

like '42 or so

[mystic nest]

yeah its just a pain

[tulip thorn]

Naval russia game here I come

[quasi shoal]

yoooo I'm boutta do that

[mystic nest]

until you capture like boston going through canada is hella annoying

[tulip thorn]

Because I hate myself

[quasi shoal]

but like super naval russia game

ONLY dockyards

[tulip thorn]

Imperial russia larp

[mystic nest]

aint no way theres a real naval russia player

[mystic nest]

???

how are you defending against the germans

😭

[quasi shoal]

yeah but im finna do soviets

[quasi shoal]

you get mils

[tulip thorn]

Naval soviets vs Naval imperial russia

[mystic nest]

like, 20 from focuses?

[high mortar]

does anyone play USSR here? (i mean everyone talking here)

[tulip thorn]

Yes

[mystic nest]

weve all played it

[quasi shoal]

you start with like 33

[mystic nest]

50 mils is a bit sketch

[quasi shoal]

and you can get like 30 or so more from baltics and finland and various

[tulip thorn]

I love the soviet focus tree

[mystic nest]

oh fair

i usually dont even bother with the baltics

smaller frontline against germany

i annex them after

[tulip thorn]

Even recently did a achievement run as the soviets

[high mortar]

wait if there is navy does that mean if i get late enough in the game i can have a fleet of aircraft carriers with MiG-15s and then just launch them at america

[quasi shoal]

huh

[mystic nest]

what

no

the soviet navy is garabge

[high mortar]

oh

[tulip thorn]

[high mortar]

well duh

[tulip thorn]

Doesnt have to be

[quasi shoal]

you're not larping enough...

[high mortar]

obviously soviets have bad navy

[tulip thorn]

It starts bad

[mystic nest]

its by far the worst branch to specialise in as the soviets

even air soviets is better

[tulip thorn]

Well yeah

But that doesnt stop me

[mystic nest]

yeah i meant for a new player

[quasi shoal]

50 starting convoys ❤️‍🩹

[tulip thorn]

💔

[surreal mist]

soviet has raiding fleet mio no?

[mystic nest]

ten trillion debuffs and even more from the purge

[quasi shoal]

my first ever soviet run I did air soviets and it was highk fun

[quasi shoal]

yes

and it gets a "black sea mio"

[surreal mist]

then it has everything it needs lmao

[tulip thorn]

Yes

[quasi shoal]

I can always

[high mortar]

my last question before i go to bed but uh so the middle east has lots of oil? and i can get rich? like i mean is it just like real life resources?

[quasi shoal]

not pick the naval purge stuff 👀

[mystic nest]

impossible

[mystic nest]

rich?

no

[tulip thorn]

Only Iran and Iraq

and hoi4 has no money mechanic

[mystic nest]

therse no economy system in the base game

and

[high mortar]

oh

[mystic nest]

as the soviets

its seasier to just

annex romania

[high mortar]

sorry if im a moron but uh i dont own the game

[mystic nest]

than go down to the middle east

[mystic nest]

fair enuf

[quasi shoal]

civs simulate it

[mystic nest]

yeah but like

civs arent as valuable or liquid as money

[tulip thorn]

I think we should ditch all real life money for civilian factories

Its a great idea

[quasi shoal]

"civs arent as valuable as money" when I do civ greed US (building civs til '89)

[high mortar]

well good night everyone

[tulip thorn]

[mystic nest]

they needa rework the usa focus tree again

its sooo boring

[tulip thorn]

They are 100% planning on it

[mystic nest]

and ameirca in general man

[tulip thorn]

Same with france and england

[mystic nest]

like you can literally bungle around

[tulip thorn]

Every major will have a good focus tree

[mystic nest]

and still have a massive industry with no threat ever of capitulation from sp ai

you couldve just picked up the game and still never get capped

[quasi shoal]

one 30$ dlc per focus branch

[mystic nest]

30% dlc per focus

[quasi shoal]

30 percent dlc

[mystic nest]

mb

[quasi shoal]

there is no mb...

permabanned

[digital lynx]

no cuz it means u get 3.33 focuses

per 40 dollar dlc

[tulip thorn]

What

[azure walrus]

im not even on ironman rn 😭

forgot

[tulip thorn]

Italy is my fav major to play

[fading wigeon]

Yo does somebody wanna play hoi4 rn

[quasi shoal]

was boutta say yikes but it's late '36 😭 ✌️

[azure walrus]

not much was accomplished other than yugoslavia accepting the ultimatum after i accidentally asked for dalmatia

so maybe ill reset

[fading wigeon]

Yo how long u played hoi4 for?

Cuz thats lowkey a fire italy

[tulip thorn]

I've seen better 7/10

[azure walrus]

2,691.2 hours but I JUST learned how combat and the game works from my recent Germany run

[tulip thorn]

Are we for real

[fading wigeon]

I found out how to use navy

[azure walrus]

ive been using the game as a map painting sim for the entire time before

[quasi shoal]

[fading wigeon]

Play time 1000 hours💔

[azure walrus]

most of my playtime is probably the game running in the background

tbh

[tulip thorn]

I have 2,248 hours

[fading wigeon]

Same sometimes i just pause and go do smtn

[quasi shoal]

go outside chud hahahhahah 😂 🤣

[tulip thorn]

no

[tulip thorn]

Never

[azure walrus]

"an easy target" ok mussolini

[tulip thorn]

What happened here 💔

Is your game broken or something

[quasi shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/589311099674034176/1473244921225023579/image0.gif

[azure walrus]

crap i closed hoi4 on accident

merged it into my google chrome

[quasi shoal]

how

[quasi shoal]

[ancient marsh]

this was so obviously planned for ncns

[azure walrus]

it's still open but invisible

[ancient marsh]

but the rest of the content probably got cut for time and they still shafted us with the $30 tag

[azure walrus]

how do i pull it out

[azure walrus]

perchance

yk what screw the game, its not even ironman

[sharp sierra]

ironmans not a fun requirement

[azure walrus]

yeah but it is a requirement to get achievements

(im tryna do an achievement run)

ok in and out 20 minute conquest

[sharp sierra]

mountaineers and cas

lol the france paradrop

acheesements

[fading wigeon]

I got the blitzkrieg achievement is that good

[quasi shoal]

I mean it's not bad

idk 🤷

[mystic nest]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-what-am-i-reading-what-am-i-looking-at-guy-looking-at-paper-jimmy-butler-looking-at-paper-gif-10656430272991200421

[azure walrus]

hold on lemme find it

[fading wigeon]

I also got like the lion that roared or sum shi

[quasi shoal]

get by beer alone

[azure walrus]

heres the last ss i have

i also conquered the us and am beaming down the americas

[fading wigeon]

Damnn

[azure walrus]

this achievement run is considered failed because the main goal(woman in. high castle)

was failed

i needed to get strasser to justify on us

since by the time i was ready to do so as the kaiserin

wt was too low

(it was at 40, i need 50% as nonaligned)

i will eventually go back and finish the war

but i have to go kill chile and argentina

because

you see

the Galapagos REgime made a faction

[mystic nest]

capitulate switzerland for a nice continuous bloo

[azure walrus]

with Uruguay

[azure walrus]

(i did)

[azure walrus]

which was joined by the US

[quasi shoal]

REAL men leave switzerland and liberia last

and then declare on liberia 🔥

[azure walrus]

forcing me to declare on brazil to reach uruguay

[split bane]

PDX loves referencing previous DLC in their focus trees, in AAT the Swedish tree literally has a focus called "Neither Death Nor Dishonor"

[azure walrus]

then chile and argentina joined the south american entente

(now led by urgay)

and now in that savegame that ive basically given up on, my armies are dying in patagonia due to lack of supply

[ancient marsh]

it's the structure of the tree for me and that its just

its just called no compromise no surrender

no fluff

[quasi shoal]

cuz they don't wanna spoil nun

[mystic nest]

is this non historical??

[quasi shoal]

/they haven't done shi

[azure walrus]

no

historical

[mystic nest]

wwtf

[ancient marsh]

this is gonna be a travesty of a dlc

worst yet im almost certain

theyre outsourcing major content additions

in the past it was just focus trees

[mystic nest]

Can't wait until they add more micromanagement slop

yes!! general abilities now work like railway guns!!

[quasi shoal]

I play hoi4 for the micromanagement slop

[mystic nest]

we ALL asked for this

[ancient marsh]

its genuinely slop cause you never end up using it

[quasi shoal]

if I didn't want slop I wouldn't have bought the game 🔥

[mystic nest]

i play it for micromanagement. the difference between that and slop is like coal

what the hell does coal add to the game

[quasi shoal]

I like the idea

[mystic nest]

it doesnt add any flavour

[quasi shoal]

a poor attempt at balancing eco laws

[mystic nest]

it doesnt make combat more interesting

[quasi shoal]

that no one understood, so they had to nerf it

[ancient marsh]

coal ideally shouldve made logistics more complicated

[mystic nest]

yes but instead

[ancient marsh]

it literally does nothing except hurt small countries now

[mystic nest]

its now another thing that you go into trade and trade for

[quasi shoal]

YOU never end up using it

[mystic nest]

yes

[quasi shoal]

I use the things I pay for

[mystic nest]

who ends up using coal??

[ancient marsh]

instead of stopping big countries from snowballing further

[quasi shoal]

not coal

you hadn't brought that up yet

[ancient marsh]

bruh whens the last time you used railway guns

[quasi shoal]

coal is just a poorly executed idea ✌️

[mystic nest]

what

[quasi shoal]

like

[ancient marsh]

unless they're given to you

[quasi shoal]

the last game I played

[mystic nest]

i litearlly brought it up way up there

[ancient marsh]

lies bruh

the last time where you researched them

[quasi shoal]

do you only play singelplayer

[quasi shoal]

the last game I played...

[ancient marsh]

They're not that practical in mp either

but i mostly play sp

[quasi shoal]

they are?

any buffs is practical

[ancient marsh]

they're a long term investment that takes up research for flametanks or like

literally anything else with your land sp

[quasi shoal]

huh

railway guns don't need special project

you modded chud ✌️

[mystic nest]

they come from armored trains

[ancient marsh]

nvm im thinking of how they moved super heavy railway guns

[sharp sierra]

railway guns are super cool

[ancient marsh]

ok still theyre not that useful im ngl

[quasi shoal]

oh yeah that is definitely slop

[mystic nest]

i just wish they gave more general defence and offence buffs

[ancient marsh]

cause they just hurt infra

[mystic nest]

rather than being hyperfocused against forts which the ai makes none of in sp

[quasi shoal]

90% of the special projects are slop

[sharp sierra]

i think the debuff they inflict on the enemy is pretty ok

[mystic nest]

yes

[ancient marsh]

SPs were a big disappointment especially

they just were

yet another hurdle for minor tags not having flametanks

[mystic nest]

the only thing i always make is flame tanks and cevs

[ancient marsh]

or sub buffs

[mystic nest]

yeah minors cant usually afford the ic to make a facility

its very sad

[quasi shoal]

I get radar too sometimes

[mystic nest]

yeah fair

[ancient marsh]

radar is good

but like

[sharp sierra]

whens the last time you guys made nukes and strat bombers to launch them

[ancient marsh]

i havent played vanilla hoi4 in a while

[quasi shoal]

I don't remember the last time I researched any plane frames besides small

[ancient marsh]

but i suually play to 45

[sharp sierra]

i havent made a nuke since gutterdung launched

[mystic nest]

like ages ago since normal nukes are garbage

even thermonukes are underwhelming for how much investment you put in

[ancient marsh]

theyre good but

not remotely worth the investment as a minor tag

even middle tags

no point not doing it in sp as a major tho

[quasi shoal]

ehhh

[mystic nest]

thermonukes should kill more enemy troops

[quasi shoal]

ehhhhhh

[ancient marsh]

regular nukes annihilate org

[quasi shoal]

I think nukes should be way stronger but way harder to get

[ancient marsh]

but its so annoying having to plan raids and waiting for a month

[mystic nest]

exactly that

[ancient marsh]

when i could probably just keep moving

[mystic nest]

yes

[quasi shoal]

nukes got a superpower like japan to surrender after just 2

I shouldn't have to drop 50 just to get a stalled line to move

[mystic nest]

i nuked america like 30 times to larp

[sharp sierra]

they gotta fix the naval invasion prep time

[mystic nest]

and i barely noticed anything

[quasi shoal]

I think it's fine 🤷

[mystic nest]

it needs to scale with distance

[quasi shoal]

you can always plan ahead

[ancient marsh]

^

[mystic nest]

why do i ned to prepare for a month to invade from korea to japan

[quasi shoal]

^

[ancient marsh]

that would fix pretty much every problem

fixes island hopping especially

[mystic nest]

why do i prep the same amount of time to invade from korea to japan and from hawaii to japan

it makes no sense

[quasi shoal]

island hopping is simple when you learn that you can just plan the invasions for the entire island hopping campaign in one go

you can plan invasions from enemy territory to enemy territory btw

[ancient marsh]

?

[mystic nest]

island hopping isnt bad because of the nava invasions its bad because its useless to take 95% of the islands

[quasi shoal]

that's true

[ancient marsh]

hoi4 needs more logistics management imo

[quasi shoal]

you don't gotta wait a month for each island

[ancient marsh]

teach me this

[quasi shoal]

take the invasion tool

and make it start on an island you're about to invade

and make it go to the next island

simple as that

[ancient marsh]

oh that

[quasi shoal]

and you can plan it at the same time as your other invasions

[sharp sierra]

well thats good to know

[ancient marsh]

i mean yeah but

it is kinda just the same thing

[quasi shoal]

it's still boring but at least it's not super long and tedious

[ancient marsh]

you're not waiting 30 days for each operation sure but you're still taking up 2 operation slots

[quasi shoal]

you can get more tho

[ancient marsh]

instead of launching 2 separate it's 1 and then 1

[sharp sierra]

i miss the old way where i could just send 2 units to like 12 islands after a week or something

[ancient marsh]

maybe it gets u an extra

[mystic nest]

they needa make the penalties for longer supply chains infinitely worse

this should force both the japanese and us players to actually carea bout the islands

[ancient marsh]

werent they gonna give yunnan a mini focus tree btw

nothing here

unless they count the generic warlord one

[sharp sierra]

i also hate how say you take 1 invasion slot and send 6 units to 3 tiles, you cant choose to send more units on a specific tile its just 2 per tile

[quasi shoal]

they do

[sharp sierra]

theres less control

[ancient marsh]

ofc

greedy bastards

[quasi shoal]

what would they make about yunnan

[mystic nest]

can they fix the american focus tree

[ancient marsh]

idk

[mystic nest]

before giving us the 10th random warlord focus tree

[tulip thorn]

The long yun empire

[quasi shoal]

PLEASE

stop giving random ass countries focus trees and give me a better tree for the majors

or for the little entente tbh

[mystic nest]

the american focus tree is like by far the worst out of all majors

[sharp sierra]

they treat their flagship game like shit

[quasi shoal]

like bro i do NOT care about chile during ww2 ✌️

[ancient marsh]

its servicable tho

its almost guaranted to be the next reworked

out of the majors

[mystic nest]

i hope so man

but i dont know when thatll be

[quasi shoal]

even amongst some of the minors it's pretty sucky

[ancient marsh]

hopefully never

hopefully we just get hoi5

[mystic nest]

its worse then half the minors

[ancient marsh]

a sloppy mess hoi5

[quasi shoal]

i'm not sure we will

[ancient marsh]

after the majors are done theyll have to

[quasi shoal]

*than 🤓

[mystic nest]

and all the hoi4 players will still trip over each other to swipe their cards

yuh

[quasi shoal]

the majors have been done

it's just gonna be a cycle of reworking majors

[ancient marsh]

done with their second wave

I mean

i wouldnt put it past paradox to just do it all over again

[mystic nest]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cope-copium-hopium-0jNofxdNcQssImQqzP

[quasi shoal]

I wouldn't either

[sharp sierra]

hopefully somebody truck bombs their office in real life and

[ancient marsh]

but

[quasi shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-flight-reacts-flightreacts-flightreact-flight-wtf-gif-11190336173610657371

[ancient marsh]

clausewitz sucks

they'll have to ditch it at some point

[mystic nest]

laggy ahh engine

[quasi shoal]

germany had a focus tree right when the game launched right

[ancient marsh]

yea

old tree - the

[quasi shoal]

that means it's been reworked thrice now

and if japan had a starting tree, it's been reworked thrice as well

[ancient marsh]

oh my god the old japan tree

never forget

[sharp sierra]

frustrated fans wondering why the game is shit

[quasi shoal]

why did you search up his upbringing

[sharp sierra]

lol

[tulip thorn]

I was about to ask the same thing

[quasi shoal]

wow how interesting

I can definitely read all of this

[sharp sierra]

whys it in spanish

[quasi shoal]

[azure walrus]

today there is coffee to be had in athens, tomorrow this shall be bucharest!

[cedar coral]

ts historical btw ✌️

[tulip thorn]

First time i've seen this in over 2000 hours

[quasi shoal]

not anymore

[cedar coral]

ive saw this when i ahve like 500

[azure walrus]

cute

[quasi shoal]

you went ahist so AI went ahist

[cedar coral]

THALMAN 💪

I LOVE THALMAN

[quasi shoal]

communist germany is really strong

prolly not as AI tho

[cedar coral]

THALMAN TO ALL OF YOU

actually i think that its good that germany didnt attack polamd

gives me more time to reconstruct

[azure walrus]

today we eat spaghetti in bucuresti, in a year or so we will fight the allies

(because anything i justify on will now be guaranteed by the british(who have chosen THIS path of all the ones they could pick))

[quasi shoal]

i'd go for the germans

[azure walrus]

23 wt generated, also what for?

[sharp sierra]

fax actually theyre communist

[azure walrus]

if only to balkanize them and suck the resources from the puppets whose land I dont core

hmm yeah that could work

[sharp sierra]

annex

[azure walrus]

but i dont even core all of it

[sharp sierra]

so

i only annex everything when i play

[azure walrus]

i plan to take up to that line and puppet the rest

[azure walrus]

i dont want to deal with resistance

im italy, not the ussr

[sharp sierra]

its not a problem

[azure walrus]

i have to garrison it all

[sharp sierra]

youll get non core manpower anyways

[azure walrus]

not to mention naval invasions

by the treacherous brits

[quasi shoal]

free resources

[azure walrus]

alright fair

[sharp sierra]

attack germany then you can send your navy up there to wilhelmshaven

[quasi shoal]

you don't need to core things to get free shi

[quasi shoal]

spies

[azure walrus]

fahh my justification finished

do i just let it expire

i wont be able to kill france w/o british intervention anyway

[cedar coral]

yo can i have the map template plsss

i really like this

[quasi shoal]

why tho

[azure walrus]

its the hoi4 wiki

[quasi shoal]

just set up collabs

[azure walrus]

its just the hoi4 wiki

[quasi shoal]

and use spies to lower any more resistance

[cedar coral]

k

[azure walrus]

roman empire cores?

[azure walrus]

puppets can build in the rest of the land while i extract civs and resources from them

also i like clean borders

also also i feel like the golden horde

[sharp sierra]

so youd rather have a bunch of fugly hoi4 puppets instead of one homogenous blob

[azure walrus]

you apologize to my vassal swarm right now 😠

the blob is uglier

[sharp sierra]

i hate having puppets theyre an enemy that i half own

[azure walrus]

imo

[quasi shoal]

I used to like them

[sharp sierra]

i need all of it and invest in compliance

[azure walrus]

fascist gets good puppets tho

[quasi shoal]

but then I realized

I can just get compliance

[azure walrus]

I like nice borders

[sharp sierra]

especially when im playing till 1947 every game

[azure walrus]

and when im fascist i get the lowest level autonomy puppet instantly

do yall have trypophobia or smth

[sharp sierra]

when im anything i get all their shit and then the opportunity to release a way better puppet 3 years later

[azure walrus]

i cant control where the collab govt spawns

[sharp sierra]

it wont take ur core if u have it

[azure walrus]

e.g. i tried making collab in turkey as bulgaria and it took my core states of istanbul and edirne

and i had to spend another year re-annexing it

never again

😠

[sharp sierra]

i release russia collab government as finland and it didnt take my newly cored russian territories

[azure walrus]

idk maybe the game got updated in the year since that incident

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-sea-creature-sea-creature-cat-silly-silly-cat-gif-5111948485873411698

[azure walrus]

wym by this

[sharp sierra]

theyre just in the way

im not expanding beyond getting a tiny bit of factories unless i lower their autonomy

no dockyards from them

no non core manpower

does the recruiting a bunch of puppet units then annexing them still give you the manpower

[quasi shoal]

I think

[sharp sierra]

i think i did that as netherlands and it didnt give me the manpower

with east indies

maybe i was tripping i dont remember

[azure walrus]

what the frick allies

drop the guarantee, you can see that they are communist

come on guys dont you want to unite against the red menace

[quasi shoal]

they don't care

they're guaranteeing to block YOU

[azure walrus]

:/

[quasi shoal]

I think democratic countries at the time disliked fascists more

idk

at least that's how the AI is coded

[azure walrus]

see guys this is why winston churchill is the fifth horseman and will bring the world to anarchy with his warmongering foreign policy

[sharp sierra]

the banks.....

[azure walrus]

why hasnt france chosen a path yet in the big 37

oh wait this is nonhistorical

[tulip thorn]

I once played a non hist game

Russia waited till 1942 to start their civil war