hoi4-general

[finite plume]

Non-historical?

[chilly raven]

yep...

[twin nebula]

no shi-

union of britain and japanese people's republic, and german empire, and austria hungary, and communist argentina, and india don't appear historically

[chilly raven]

the union of britain teaming up with repubblica sociale italiana might be a bit of a giveaway lmao

the game just went from Hearts of Iron to Sea of Thieves

the amount of ships they're sending against me...

[quaint girder]

How, how did you end up at war with everybody

[chilly raven]

multiplayer co-op against bots

USSR is my friend

[quaint girder]

I would say try to cap majors

[chilly raven]

I told my friend not to accept fascist mexico into the comintern

[quaint girder]

But like

[chilly raven]

he accepted fascist mexico into the comintern

mexico declared against the USA

[quaint girder]

I think japans a bit dead

[chilly raven]

and called ALL our faction members to aid them

[quaint girder]

5 million hurts

Also, the naval war is unwinnable against other actual humans

Provided they cooperate

Though the us is bleeding like crazy

[chilly raven]

it's co-op

just me and a friend vs bots

[quaint girder]

Oh jeez

[chilly raven]

to learn the game ;-;

[quaint girder]

That isnt, learning things in the traditional sense

You learn on historical

Playing like germany or historical japan

Or britain

[chilly raven]

this is how it looked like before

[quaint girder]

That looks

Uh

Workable

Not ideal though

[chilly raven]

problem is, I managed to repel the italian invasions in the north of russia

absolutely smoked their divisions

[quaint girder]

A sea lion plus releasing azad hind would have helped a lot

[chilly raven]

then I nuked Rome

[quaint girder]

Same with china

[chilly raven]

wym by that?

[chilly raven]

and that

[quaint girder]

Hm, maybe not on china

[chilly raven]

I'm EXTREMELY new to the game

[quaint girder]

Naval invading the UK

Is what I mean by a sea lion

The azad hind is a puppet japan can release in india via taking a focus under the nanshin ron path

[chilly raven]

I got like 300 hours of larping as Romania and that's about it

[quaint girder]

And it means you dont have to garrison india

It does

And it cores some parts on formation, specifically what the british raj has cores on

[chilly raven]

mhhh, how tho? I had only 330 ships at that point, I could barely hold the sea of Japan

plus I'm extremely far away from the UK

[quaint girder]

Simple, on historical

You let germany cap france

Get access

Then move naval hq and all surface ships to a french port or like weser ems

And death stack in the channel and wait

The ai cant use fleets properly

So they will ram unprotected capital ships and tiny screening forces into that and you just delete them

[chilly raven]

Bro wait I noticed something extremely funny

[quaint girder]

Also you just use puppet divisions to garrison all your islands

Since you puppet china

[chilly raven]

wanna hop in Helping Longue 2 for a second?

[quaint girder]

To save on manpower and guns

[quaint girder]

Sure, why not, just dont expect me to say much

[azure walrus]

poland going fascist

should i ally them

oh wait im going with pope

nvm

YOO THE YUGOSLAVS REFUSED MY ULTIMATUM

and all it took was rushing to balkan ambition in 1936

[heady barn]

@here hosting a game right now!! 😄 90281705308947468

[azure walrus]

we cant be deadass

hes gonna steal my austria

set up albania

[mystic nest]

Reminds me of the fact you can steal norway from germany post cap as sweden for free and without annoying the germans somehow

[azure walrus]

i like how i can still ask for dalmatia even though i have a wargoal

oh um france? france is going fascist apparently

[left tusk]

send it to bittersteel hes got this

[azure walrus]

is this enough to kill france in 1936

[left tusk]

🤷 i cant kill france in 1940

[azure walrus]

nvm, i dont have the transports

guess ill wait

cuh what 😭 🙏

rate the production

alright then, operation air lion is go

son are we fr

lost paris

[quasi shoal]

uh huh

[azure walrus]

(as in, my paratroopers died because france got their shit together right before the orleans operation landed

and the paris paratroopers got butchered

no issue, i shall make more

bit late isnt it 😭

"hey guys what did i miss" ahh paratrooper

[heady barn]

can someone tell me what space marines are in hoi4?

[quasi shoal]

infantry with a tank batallion

[heady barn]

thanks!

[left tusk]

bolter+cataphract armor dlc when

[azure walrus]

what is he waiting for

gottem

now should i take everything or just the land i need to form rome+the land i can core as rome

[quasi shoal]

try to take everything

but take all you need for rome

[jade ore]

yo i forgot about my weapon deliveries to italy

[azure walrus]

alright, im the only person in peace conference so no need to try

does papal italy get to keep the king

as a spirit

[left tusk]

is this good or abysmal dogshit

[azure walrus]

im still fascist, should i make some puppets

[sharp sierra]

its good but expensive

[jade ore]

why a random level 1gun

[sharp sierra]

i think putting two secondary batteries between the top two is more efficient per vessel

[quasi shoal]

nah

[left tusk]

your right i needa make it lvl 2

[left tusk]

ok

[sharp sierra]

im saving germany so i can be the one to capitulate them for achievement

once my war goal is ready

[azure walrus]

Ok, border gore is going to hurt my eyes but I suppose that it’s for the best if I want Ts achievement

[atomic grove]

most anticlimactic war ive ever seen

[remote quarry]

also use the best armor you have, and the secondary is like 0.5% more efficient

[left tusk]

2nd is the best i have

[heavy vigil]

its quite a lot better

[worn hollow]

Yo @surreal crag ngl u kinda ass at hoi4

MEFO bills > colonel

[full jewel]

just relised what happened to the other 2 research for converting stuff it was really useful.

[woven gate]

collapsing world is cool

[quasi shoal]

lemme see the whole thing

[clear dagger]

literally me leaving and going back to my room 5 minutes later

[tulip thorn]

lmao

[rare sand]

anyone got tips on playing italy?

[tulip thorn]

Rush air

[clear dagger]

switch sides the moment troops land anywhere for maximum immersion

same with romania

[tulip thorn]

Its no fun to be losing

Italy and Romania can agree

[clear dagger]

luxembourg however...

https://tenor.com/view/standing-here-i-realize-gif-24728653

[tulip thorn]

Luxembourg is the goat

[clear dagger]

you know luxembourg could be either one in the gif i just realized

[tulip thorn]

Lol

[opaque zinc]

i made a communist asean flag

[clear dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1190430460120154274/1462686903512862823/Screenshot_20260107_170326_Instagram.gif

[dusky burrow]

last stand typically helps

[dusky burrow]

our manpower is GONE

[clear dagger]

its all gone

[clear dagger]

yeah Last Stand helps with a lot of my games too

[tulip thorn]

Literally one of the best songs of all time

https://tenor.com/view/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-mlp-fim-g4-gif-17555461819503233361

[clear dagger]

that and playing winged hussars while bum rushing germany in 38 with only cav is the best hoi4 can get

as poland

[opaque zinc]

another flag

i like this one

[dusky burrow]

Yeah, especialyl when your paratroopers are surrounded like that

[clear dagger]

thats for the Lost Battalion

[mystic nest]

if you ever have to go scraping the barrel thats a sign to reset

something has gone very wrong

[clear dagger]

i once saw a germany with 0 manpower for like 8 months on scraping the barrel

even though they defeated the ussr like 2 years before and japan took india and china

[mystic nest]

how

[clear dagger]

idfk

[mystic nest]

????

[clear dagger]

it was a strange game

i didnt even do anything to change the game in that direction

[clear dagger]

turns out just flipping luxembourg ideologies is enough to make germany lose 30-40M to the allies

[woven gate]

we're cooking

[mystic nest]

LUXEMBORG?

[clear dagger]

yeah its my main

[mystic nest]

usually in my germany games i forgot i even had to invade luxemborg bruh 😭

[mystic nest]

is luxemborg viable in mp

i feel like any german player with a brain would still cap it

[clear dagger]

i dont do mp

[mystic nest]

oh fair then

does luxemborg even have a dedicated focus tre

[clear dagger]

i have no friends

[clear dagger]

no

[mystic nest]

oh

[clear dagger]

it is pure pain and suffering to the sane

but i am not sane

https://tenor.com/view/standing-here-i-realize-gif-24728653

before the stupid faction trait thing that lets the UK guarantee nations with like 20%- less tension than normal i could cap the allies + mexico by feb 39

[dusky burrow]

the garrison requirements may be crazy

[clear dagger]

i dont think it takes 8 million people to garrison that

they lost like 30 million to the allies not including the ussr

[fair horizon]

dont

[woven gate]

prepare to hate your life against the royal navy

it's really not that hard to win africa, you can just use 9/1s

get some tanks if you'd like to help Germany not get BTFO'd by the Soviets

generally, just try to be Efficient with Industry and pace your Military

[tulip thorn]

Line arty 💔

[woven gate]

it works like a charm

[tulip thorn]

It works but is still terrible

[woven gate]

meta slaves say it doesn't

and yet it does

[tulip thorn]

We dont say that it doesnt work

Ofc it works

Something working doesnt make it good

[woven gate]

it's cheap and practical too

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/fr-lie-gif-9063740662564569899

[woven gate]

and i like to imagine my guys just blowing up the germans into smithereens

and the japanese

[quiet vessel]

i'm more of a motorized anti-tank kinda guy

[tulip thorn]

It is not

[woven gate]

never really tried it

[tulip thorn]

Not even in the slightest

[woven gate]

things that people who aren't prepared to be shelled say

[dusky burrow]

I mean most of the time you just use more infantry tbh

[woven gate]

i guess

i just don't get the hate for line arty

[dusky burrow]

Typically full-infantry templates or light spg templates do better than those that have line artillery

[woven gate]

SPGs seem expensive

and full inf just doesn't seem to have the soft attack

[tulip thorn]

They are pretty cheat if made right

[dusky burrow]

Yeah still more expensive than line artillery but not that much

[mystic nest]

No

Literally more expensive

[woven gate]

other guy who isn't prepared to be shelled

[dusky burrow]

Typically for your templates with line artillery you want them to be the same size as your other offensive divisions

[mystic nest]

Support artillery exists

[dusky burrow]

So 32-38 width too

[left tusk]

is this okay or abysmal dogshit

[woven gate]

both

[dusky burrow]

is this some sort of armor meme?

[left tusk]

its what im gonna use

if its not dogshit

[dusky burrow]

for?

[left tusk]

murder.

[mystic nest]

Could be a lot better. Not sure if the meta has changed but I use two machine guns + howitzers and easy maintenance

Also riveted armor

[woven gate]

it'll probably get cooked in Tank-Tank engagements

[left tusk]

i dont have howitzers yet

or easy maintenence

[woven gate]

i'm pretty sure you need high armor

[left tusk]

switched it to riveted armor

[mystic nest]

Not really in sp

[left tusk]

im in singleplayer

[woven gate]

just go all in then

[mystic nest]

Only mp players spam anti tank support units

[left tusk]

im mainly just using them to murder the french and british

by the time i get to the soviets i should have something better

[woven gate]

yeah that won't be a problem

[mystic nest]

Just use inf until you have everything you need

No need to waste ic converting

[woven gate]

france pisses me off because they were so strong irl and just fumbled

[left tusk]

i have enough to make them

its 1938 i dont wanna wait too long to make them

being stuck with lights would kinda suck

[mystic nest]

Why? You done need tanks

Might as well wait until you can make the best version possible

[woven gate]

he's Germany, a stopgap measure would work

[mystic nest]

No point wasting ic

He can make the chassis then convert it sure

[left tusk]

whats ic

[mystic nest]

You see that production cost thingu

Bottom right

Things need time to be created

[left tusk]

i have like 20 spare mils

[mystic nest]

Throw them on planes

You never have spare mils

[left tusk]

i already have 15 on planes

[mystic nest]

Wayyy too little

[left tusk]

i need tanks.

[woven gate]

you always need more planes

[mystic nest]

Usually for a decent German it's like 100 on plabes

[left tusk]

i have 2k planes built...

[woven gate]

never cheap out on planes

[mystic nest]

15 is wayyy too little

[woven gate]

you need more

[mystic nest]

Not enough mate

[left tusk]

look i js need tanks rn

[mystic nest]

What

Need?

[woven gate]

alright go 75/25 put some on tanks and most on planes

if you insist but you need air more than tanks

[left tusk]

i have plenty of air its fine

[mystic nest]

You can easily wc with inf only

It's a lot harder without air

[left tusk]

i suck.

i always get air superiority and fail on land or navy.

[woven gate]

it's more fun with tanks

[mystic nest]

I did battleplan only capitulate all majors by 44...

Sixty hours in from starting

[left tusk]

this was my last game

[mystic nest]

It's not a skill issue

[woven gate]

plenty isn't enough when you could have plenty more

[mystic nest]

I think he underestimates cas

[left tusk]

i need stuff on land and navy not more on the air.

[mystic nest]

Not enough

[mystic nest]

No

You don't need to make a navy

You need air

Air is far more important than navy

[left tusk]

then i cant get to the british,

[mystic nest]

Paratroopers

It's faster

[woven gate]

paratroopers are annoying to get working

[mystic nest]

?? Draw like one order per two divs

Get air sup

Launch

Whats hard about that

[left tusk]

i have no idea how to use paratroopers and ive already built like 3 battleships extra and a bunch of navy

[woven gate]

the fact that i'm autistic af

[mystic nest]

I'm assuming you're using the default battleships templates

[left tusk]

no.

[mystic nest]

Don't produce any more of those

[mystic nest]

What are you using?

[left tusk]

i make my own templates

[mystic nest]

Germany never needs a navy by the way

Against the majors

[woven gate]

he could port strike them maybe

[mystic nest]

You can steal a navy but you don't need to make one

[mystic nest]

Too slow and inefficient

[woven gate]

force the royal navy out into an engagement that they shouldn't win

[mystic nest]

Wait why are you even producing bbs

If you're dead set on a navy spam light cruisers or subs

[left tusk]

cause i like big boat.

[left tusk]

i am doing both.

[woven gate]

good reason

[mystic nest]

Bro

[left tusk]

heres my cruisers

[woven gate]

you gotta admit BBs have aura

[mystic nest]

No since they get smoked by tiny little naval bombers

[left tusk]

not if i have air superiority too

which i will

[mystic nest]

You have 2k planes

[left tusk]

[mystic nest]

And fifteen plane factories

[left tusk]

that was my last run

[mystic nest]

How many on this?

[left tusk]

i only have 2k rn but its 1938

so i have an entire year to make more

[mystic nest]

You need at least fifty factories

on planes

cas is broken

[woven gate]

Iowa class

[left tusk]

thats almost all my factories.

[mystic nest]

WHAT

[woven gate]

look at it and tell me it isn't amazing

[mystic nest]

YOU HAVE FIFTY MILS

IN 38??

GERMANY?

[woven gate]

you've gotta militarize REALLY early as Germany

[mystic nest]

brother 😭

[left tusk]

45 mils

[mystic nest]

45 mils in 38

i would suggset resetting

like not to be mean

but germany needs a lot more mils by 38

a lo tmore

[left tusk]

im getting more

[mystic nest]

youre in 38

did you go peg or 4 year plan

[cedar lance]

🇪🇪 IF you ask who won ww3 and which you mean by that is what nation what society contributed the most blood and treasure to the eventual victory its not the WORLD its ESTONIA over 100 mil deaths from 2027 to 2036

[mystic nest]

73 civs??

you didnt even civ greed

[left tusk]

4 mils

[mystic nest]

what

mate

peg or 4 year plan

for economy focus

[left tusk]

i started making civs the milisecond i loaded in

[left tusk]

4 year plan ofc

[woven gate]

i guess bro

[tulip thorn]

Nice

[mystic nest]

youre on 4 year plan and you have 50 mls in 38

@tulip thorn

[left tusk]

yea

[mystic nest]

dude

you can afford to late war with peg

[cedar lance]

wdym

[mystic nest]

not 4 year plan

[woven gate]

i'm watching this guy yell at this other guy

[left tusk]

how am i supposed to get more i started making civs since the beginning and when i got to 73 i started making mils

[mystic nest]

your consumer goods index will send you into the dirt

[mystic nest]

?? something is wrong then

germany can easily get like

300?

by the war start?

[left tusk]

is this ragebait

[mystic nest]

no mate you have 45 mils in 4 year plan 38 germany

[left tusk]

[mystic nest]

thats the real ragebait here

[left tusk]

am i being baited

[woven gate]

probably

[quiet vessel]

300 mils before ww2???

[left tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[quiet vessel]

am i missing something?

[mystic nest]

factories?

[cedar lance]

🇪🇪 at the end Of WW3 ESTONIA grows from the 17th world military power to N1

[quiet vessel]

still impossibly crazy

[mystic nest]

he has 45 mils before ww2 as 4 year plan germany

[mystic nest]

ill do a run rn

[left tusk]

are you taking into account i havent eaten the czechs or austria yet

[mystic nest]

what

dued

[woven gate]

you gotta rush anschluss

[mystic nest]

why havent you anschussled or taken the czechs

what

its nearkly 39

[left tusk]

why

[woven gate]

put most mils on guns early

[mystic nest]

what are you doing

[quiet vessel]

because free stuff boi

[left tusk]

i do it all in one go

[woven gate]

it's quick free industry pretty much

[quiet vessel]

why wouldnt you

[mystic nest]

thats bad

anschluss early

[woven gate]

industry scales, getting it early helps a lot

[mystic nest]

still 45 mils is incredibly low for four year plan germany at war start

you can get more mils on peg germany

[quiet vessel]

indeed

[woven gate]

i'm staying up tonight if this dude gets on call, i'm sure we can help

[left tusk]

but uh are the tank templates fine

[mystic nest]

you dont have the ic

to make the tanks

[woven gate]

yeah they'll work for early war

[mystic nest]

why are you producing tanks with 45 mils

[quiet vessel]

i always do economic growth instead of for year plan

[left tusk]

i always do

[mystic nest]

dude he cannot afford to make tanks with 45 mils

[left tusk]

thgis is how many mils and stuff i usually have

[mystic nest]

????

[woven gate]

if he restarts then he could make it work

[mystic nest]

he said he usualyl has 45 mils

by war start

so i genuinely dont know whats happening

[woven gate]

he needs our help with it

[mystic nest]

can you just follow a guide man

[mystic nest]

how do we help he litearlly refuses to make air

[woven gate]

you're being needlessly aggressive about this, just help the dude out

[mystic nest]

which is one of the most important things you can make

and instead invests it into tanks

[woven gate]

maybe we just show him air bonuses

[mystic nest]

which are not needed in sp

🥀

[quiet vessel]

don't cry mate bloody hell

[atomic grove]

i play germany and i dont need to make an airforce

[mystic nest]

guh

[atomic grove]

because either

[left tusk]

ii already have a ton of planes though

[atomic grove]

i forget

[mystic nest]

aw we got another one 😭

[atomic grove]

or my divs are just really good

[mystic nest]

2k planes

is nto enough man

[woven gate]

a ton doesn't do it dude trust me

[mystic nest]

like

everyone is telling you this

what part of it do you not understand

the allies can scale to tens of thousands of planes post 45

[left tusk]

usually the british airforce is reduced to like 100 by the time my airforce starts losing numbers though

[woven gate]

by no means am i a professional but if you go look then you'll see how important massed planes were in real life

[atomic grove]

air is necessary if ur about to face a bad situation

like the soviets

[mystic nest]

100???

[left tusk]

wait huh

wdym post 45

[atomic grove]

if u dont have air, then just use anti air

[mystic nest]

someone pull out the 38k allied strat bomber screenshot

[left tusk]

why does it take you till 45 to kkill the allies...

[woven gate]

what he's going through is gonna end up bad

[quiet vessel]

who plays post 45

[left tusk]

[atomic grove]

yeah ik

[mystic nest]

its super helpful

[atomic grove]

45 mils

[atomic grove]

yes it is

[left tusk]

who takes till 45 to kill the allies

[mystic nest]

but yes not needed but its better han tanks

[atomic grove]

but if ur germany, its kind of overkill

[mystic nest]

? ever done a wc??

you have 45 mils dude

i doubt tthis guy has even capped america

[atomic grove]

just restart

[woven gate]

let's help him then

[atomic grove]

45 mils in 1939

is just

[quiet vessel]

why is this guy so triggered😭

[mystic nest]

on 4 year plan germany

[left tusk]

ye i have

[atomic grove]

absolutely mindblowing

[left tusk]

it took a while thuogh

though

[woven gate]

i think he got ragebaited while i'm js trying to help this guy

[mystic nest]

4 year plan germany 45 mils at war opening

[left tusk]

and then hoi4 updated and i couldnt access the save

[mystic nest]

steiner himself couldnt save this

[atomic grove]

hes not doomed

[quiet vessel]

heard you the first time boi🤧

[atomic grove]

its just that if he faces a deficit, hes cooked

[obsidian sigil]

demilitarized germany

[atomic grove]

as long as he doesnt screw up an offensive

[mystic nest]

demilitarised germany gameplay..

civ greed

but with 73 civs

[woven gate]

it just isn't worth the risk

[left tusk]

let me cook ill capitulate the french in no time

[mystic nest]

the french are literally

programmed

to cap

[woven gate]

that's the easy part

[mystic nest]

you can cap france ina n hour from war start with paras

[left tusk]

and i got a big navy so i can land on the brits quickly

[quiet vessel]

'let me cap denmark' ahh statement

[mystic nest]

with no air cover?

[woven gate]

you've gotta use those tanks to go fast

[mystic nest]

he has 45 mils total he's making one tank div

[left tusk]

i have 2k fighters man

[mystic nest]

max

[mystic nest]

dude

[left tusk]

their air is gonna get nuked

[woven gate]

if they dig in and you can't break them you're cooked

[mystic nest]

2k fighters

[atomic grove]

yeah

[mystic nest]

is NOT enough

[atomic grove]

he should restart

[left tusk]

huh

[quiet vessel]

how good are the fighters

[mystic nest]

unless if you mean 2k jet fighters

[atomic grove]

wdym

[woven gate]

have some hope maybe we've got a miracle

[left tusk]

no

[atomic grove]

2k fighters with good templates

is good

what r u on

[mystic nest]

he says he has 2k fighters total and hes refusing to put more mils on making more

[woven gate]

barely good enough

[mystic nest]

BARELY

[left tusk]

wdym templates

[atomic grove]

as long as the template is good

[left tusk]

planes dont have templates

[mystic nest]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-what-am-i-reading-what-am-i-looking-at-guy-looking-at-paper-jimmy-butler-looking-at-paper-gif-10656430272991200421

[woven gate]

calm down bruh

[atomic grove]

https://tenor.com/view/джона-хилл-jonah-hill-facepalm-рука-лицо-долоня-обличчя-gif-7167197686338732060

[left tusk]

._.

[woven gate]

oh you don't have that DLC

[atomic grove]

yeah just restart

please

[left tusk]

oh wait its a dlc

[mystic nest]

if he's faking then its 10/10 ragebait

i fell for it

[left tusk]

ohhh

[mystic nest]

i admit

[woven gate]

yeah

if not, we've all had a game like this anyways

[left tusk]

sorry im stupid

💔

[woven gate]

nah you're just new

[quiet vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-cut-it-out-nope-stop-quit-it-gif-8170368

[woven gate]

don't sweat it, we can fix it if you listen to us

[mystic nest]

just follow a guide

like

bittersteel

[quiet vessel]

bittersteel germany

[woven gate]

you've just gotta listen when we say that air matters more than anything

[mystic nest]

hes not doing it as optimal as some people want

[quiet vessel]

he did a new one i swear

[mystic nest]

but its more than enough

[mystic nest]

oh did he?

[quiet vessel]

yh

for ncns

[mystic nest]

air can wreck navy anyway with naval bombers

[quiet vessel]

im sure i saw it

[atomic grove]

not quite

[mystic nest]

oh good

watch it then

[atomic grove]

aa is an alternative to having an airforce

[mystic nest]

matters a lot more than navy for germany

[mystic nest]

no its not

[quiet vessel]

no

[mystic nest]

aa is not an alternative

[woven gate]

basically the best way to destroy the royal navy

[atomic grove]

it is?

[mystic nest]

aa is a stopgap measure for when you cant make an airforce

[quiet vessel]

does aa bomb the shit out of ur opponents

[atomic grove]

ive played germany

a lot

[mystic nest]

youve played

germany

in singeplayer

[atomic grove]

why need that?

[mystic nest]

not multiplayer

?

[atomic grove]

you're going to occupy em anyway

[mystic nest]

load into one multiplayer game

[left tusk]

once this focus is done ill do aunchluss and eat the czechs

[quiet vessel]

make it easier? less casualties? more casualties for them?

[mystic nest]

and try to play without air

[quiet vessel]

think about it

[atomic grove]

you thought i was referring to mp?

because i meant sp lol

[mystic nest]

its the same principle in sp. air helps immensely

[woven gate]

this ain't gonna go too well when you fight the USSR big dawg

[quiet vessel]

would you rather fight a dude or a dude thats exploded

[mystic nest]

its just that the sp ai is dogshit

[atomic grove]

in mp, yeah, air does matter

[mystic nest]

it matters in sp too

[woven gate]

https://tenor.com/view/gunna-fire-writing-heat-gif-25524005

[atomic grove]

yeah?

[mystic nest]

aa is not a substitute for the air force

[atomic grove]

just not as much as germany

[mystic nest]

what

[woven gate]

it's a stopgap measure

[atomic grove]

it is

[mystic nest]

germany is litearlly the axis major that needs planes the most

[mystic nest]

@heavy vigil 😭 bro yeah im getting ragebaited

[quiet vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[mystic nest]

yes sir

[woven gate]

naval bomber spam japan's cool

[left tusk]

on the bright side i almost got all my doctrines and

i got a mastery in infantry

[atomic grove]

if you can crush britain in a matter of 30 days, why need airforce to keep killing britain

[mystic nest]

havent tried that

[left tusk]

if that helps

[hard thistle]

Has there anyone else notice that,in 1939 scenario,Japan can't complete the focus of pressure siam?Siam will join Axis ,and then Japan can't declare a war to the US

[mystic nest]

since with an airforce, you can crush them in 14 with inf

[atomic grove]

but against soviets and americans, or any other cool major, yeah u need air

[mystic nest]

easily

[mystic nest]

what

germany is literally one of hte most air reliant majors

dude

their tree

is based on cas

[woven gate]

it's probably cheaper to keep them up in the air than to keep your navy moving

[mystic nest]

the german focus tree is literally dedicated to ground support

[heavy vigil]

why

[atomic grove]

you usually land on britain by like 40

by that time u have tanks

[woven gate]

but then again that's for a long war

[brittle cypress]

1939 scenario isn't real

ignore it

[mystic nest]

have you seen what's been happening in here the past 20 minutes

[heavy vigil]

dont rage the bait, bait the rage

[mystic nest]

truth...

we've got a 45 mil 4 year plan 1939 no anschluss germany

and someone who says aa is a substitue for the air force

[atomic grove]

just tell him to restart

[heavy vigil]

fire?

[woven gate]

the big H is gonna end it 6 years before schedule

[mystic nest]

73 civs. not civ greeding

[heavy vigil]

missing out on insane free damage? cooking?

[left tusk]

ill be fine :D

[mystic nest]

nah but aparently you dont need tha tinsane free damage

???

[woven gate]

it's good to have optimism

[atomic grove]

that isnt what i meant

[quiet vessel]

check the amount of forts he has...

[mystic nest]

you literally just said aa replaces having to make an air force

[woven gate]

it's better to have air though

[heavy vigil]

good on them

[mystic nest]

i dont know how much clearer that can be

[atomic grove]

yes

but by that

i meant

[heavy vigil]

gen chat isn tlooking to learn, its fine

[atomic grove]

against countries that are like france, britain

not usa or soviets

[heavy vigil]

let people play

[mystic nest]

fair enough..

i'll stay in ask for help

[heavy vigil]

if they have fun thats good

[quiet vessel]

i dont think AA can fly so i dont think it better than plan

[left tusk]

ok im doing aunchluss

[heavy vigil]

ive decided this months ago, before i went inactive

gen chat doesnt want help and thats okay

[atomic grove]

you can quite literally crush britain and france so easily as germany

[woven gate]

how big's your army

[quiet vessel]

anddd the soviets?

[atomic grove]

it takes a while to beat the soviet union and the usa, so its worth having an airforce against them

[mystic nest]

fair enuf

[atomic grove]

did u not get my point

[left tusk]

5 full armies of infantry and 6 divisions of the base light tanks

[woven gate]

ay carumba

[brittle cypress]

chat...

[left tusk]

im replacing with mediums

[brittle cypress]

6 base light tanks

[quiet vessel]

is that 600 infranty divisions

[atomic grove]

brother just restart

[woven gate]

we've got work to do

[heavy vigil]

powerful

[atomic grove]

its annoying to play germany with only 45 mils

[mystic nest]

no?

theres 24 divs in an army

[atomic grove]

trust me u will suffer

[quiet vessel]

i thought army was all 5 of the things under a field marshal

[mystic nest]

thats an army group

[left tusk]

whats beauty without a bit of suffering

[mystic nest]

an army is just the individual one commanded by a geenral

[atomic grove]

45 mils in 1939 as germany is tannu tuva numbers

you usually have atleast more than 80

[woven gate]

HEY cool it on tannu tuva

[brittle cypress]

people will say "yeah i have 30 tank divisions" and these are the tanks
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/589311099674034176/1436077494662074368/8387F6DD-8080-49F6-BC5E-8B37ADD3B589.png?ex=69956ca3&is=69941b23&hm=c586aa4f251172682f3c77d3adac6d94d6993e4ee8dbd1ec64ce99da4f307adc&

[woven gate]

that's a low estimate tbh

[quiet vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-statement-dog-gang-praised-gif-14847923944265501688

[atomic grove]

hes new

and i know

[woven gate]

80 would do it

not great but it'd work

[mystic nest]

this couldve all been fixed with one youtube guide

[woven gate]

real

i'd play germany but it's 3:00 am in the US and i'm tired and wanna watch someome else play

[brittle cypress]

Dang it is 3 am

I am going to bed goodbye

[quiet vessel]

kaiser germany is the best

[mystic nest]

i dont enjoy germany

if i want to fight in europe i usually go like hungary

or greece

[left tusk]

ok my mils are climbing fast i got 50 mils now

[atomic grove]

not even monarchist?

[woven gate]

night

[mystic nest]

actually, never tried that path

[woven gate]

France is fun

[atomic grove]

you should

it is peak germany

[mystic nest]

yeah but the problem is

france makes teh war end too early

[woven gate]

i like playing Aggressive France

[mystic nest]

if you hold the germans you just win

in like late 40

so like

[woven gate]

if you attack first you also just win

[mystic nest]

id do it if i want a short game

yeah

but not a long game

[woven gate]

that's realistic france ngl

[quiet vessel]

austria danubian federation is the greatest

[woven gate]

if they pushed the saar offensive they'd have done something

but instead the FUCJING ANCIENT ASS GENERAL STFAFF

FUNBLED

im angry

[woven gate]

the UK's alright to play

it's kinda just "oh shit i forgot about this front"

[mystic nest]

i hate playing the navy

thats why i havent even

like

properly played japan

[woven gate]

naval invasions are fun

[mystic nest]

since i started the game

[woven gate]

it isn't worth it

[mystic nest]

they are but i just keep thinking back to how i could do the same but ten times faster with paras

[woven gate]

no compromise no fun

[mystic nest]

lol fair

[woven gate]

thanks paradox

that's why i haven't bought a DLC since like

BBA

[woven gate]

sometimes i just like to larp i guess

Czechoslovakia is cool

kinda just Germany gets packed up early simulator though

[mystic nest]

true

[mystic nest]

yes

if you play like czech france poland

germany just gets cooked

[left tusk]

is 8 capital ships enough to nuke the british navy

[mystic nest]

no

[woven gate]

Poland's a bit tougher than the others

[left tusk]

and 48 screens

[woven gate]

still doable

[mystic nest]

yeah but if they hold off germany geramny dies

[mystic nest]

still not even close

48 screens and 8 bbs??

against the royal navy??

[left tusk]

not just bbs

also bcs

[woven gate]

please just restart

[mystic nest]

still no

[zenith kelp]

anyone wanna do mp

[woven gate]

late 36 anschluss and spam air

[left tusk]

i looked up a navy guide and it said 6 screens per capital ship

[mystic nest]

dude

the strat now

is litearlyl to deathstack your fleet

fleet composiition went out the window

[woven gate]

navy's not what you worry about as germany

[mystic nest]

yes

air

[woven gate]

hell i agree use paratroopers

[left tusk]

i never struggle with air though

[mystic nest]

he has 2k planes

[left tusk]

i only struggle with navy and land stuff

[mystic nest]

brother i dont know if we're playing the same game

[woven gate]

you're about to if you don't listen

air literally carries France

[woven gate]

they have one of the best focuses in the game: "Air Dominance"

and it lowers Fighter cost by 10%

[mystic nest]

he hasnt seen the wonders of cas

[woven gate]

making it easier for you to afford CAS

which makes it easy to push

[mystic nest]

2k or was it 20k cas damage in a single battle

enemy troops atomised

[woven gate]

lore accurate USAAF over Europe

i love being a US main because it's deadass just sandbox mode

[left tusk]

ok i diverted some stuff from infantry equipment to planes

[woven gate]

do you have Austria and Czechoslovakia yet?

[mystic nest]

what's your surplus

of inf

[mystic nest]

yeah i dont play america cuz of that reason lol

[woven gate]

"6000"

[mystic nest]

sleep through half the game

[mystic nest]

screw up all the prep

[left tusk]

like 20k and aunchluss is almost here

[mystic nest]

and still wipe everyone out

[mystic nest]

how many factories on inf eq?

[woven gate]

this could be higher

[left tusk]

now i have 5

[mystic nest]

five

on inf

[left tusk]

yea i just diverted a bunch to

[mystic nest]

🥀

[left tusk]

planes

[mystic nest]

just

remove the tank production

trust me you dont need tanks

ever

in singeplayer

[woven gate]

yeah i'm starting to agree

tanks are kinda a novelty in this situation

[mystic nest]

theres zero wars where tanks can do what inf cant

often inf can do what tanks can

cant

since terrain, supply etc

[woven gate]

zhukov said that

[mystic nest]

fire

[woven gate]

patton said we should touch zhukov though and i think that's cooler

[brittle cypress]

🗣️

[woven gate]

it is accurate though

[mystic nest]

yeah it is

[woven gate]

the US had some major mishaps until like mid 1943

[mystic nest]

but like come on man

to be fair i play brazil

[woven gate]

then we just locked in and beat the crap out of everyone

[mystic nest]

and thats basically the us reskinned

600 factories by 144

1944

🔥

[woven gate]

no DLC brazil is the strat

[mystic nest]

💀

crippled brazil

[woven gate]

i just have BBA

idk if the new DLCs are good but i'm deadass skeptical

[left tusk]

holly smokes

[woven gate]

seeing how ass NCNS is makes me mad

[left tusk]

austria just like doubled my industry

[woven gate]

see

that's why you do it early

you can put that industry to use earlier

[left tusk]

now i have 66 factories

[left tusk]

dont they like

make more over time

[woven gate]

yeah but you could use their factories much better than they could

[mystic nest]

thsi is why we said to rush

[left tusk]

my economy is now less awful

[mystic nest]

because

[woven gate]

@mystic nest you wanna explain this one?

[mystic nest]

factories compound

[left tusk]

92 civs 56 mils

[mystic nest]

factories are like compounding interest

the earlier you start compounding they become way way better

a facotry in 36 is far more valuable than a factory in like 41

[woven gate]

Czechia will do you good too

so you rush these things

[mystic nest]

czechs have a few more factories yeah

[woven gate]

spam out guns early then switch to planes

that's what i do

you've gotta have guns to do the anschluss and allat

[left tusk]

also i now have all my land doctrines

and my entire war cabinet

[woven gate]

so you spam those out with some shitty division and then make good divisions with the industry that you get from the annexed places

[mystic nest]

what doctrines

?

[woven gate]

that + air = win

[woven gate]

Large Unit Tactics is probably optimal

Assault Infantry is fun for the larp though

[left tusk]

mobile infantry, field engineering, deep battle and armored spearhead

[mystic nest]

gah

[left tusk]

and i already have 2 masteries in mobile infantry

and 1 in engineering

[mystic nest]

i run IE since i always use logi on offensive inf

[woven gate]

Field Engineering is the best one

[mystic nest]

FE is good

mobile infantry is not great

for infantry its usualyl a choice between assault inf, individual excellence and large unit tactics

depends on who youre running

[woven gate]

Assault Inf is my favorite

for the US

[ivory elbow]

hp maxing final boss

[woven gate]

i don't have Individual Excellence ig

anyways, operations wise you've gotta do better if you've got infantry

[woven gate]

hp/org stacking is surprisingly effective

[left tusk]

also i already got war economy so theres that too

less consumer goods factor

[woven gate]

i think you can get it earlier

[left tusk]

i got it in like 1936

i got it super early.

[woven gate]

oh cool that's good then

[ivory elbow]

make inf chonky and go large units

you get good hp

[woven gate]

another good strat but like i said i'm an Assault Infantry glazer

[ivory elbow]

🙏

[woven gate]

Large Unit Tactics is goated tho

bhutanese land cruiser division is typing

[strong umbra]

mounted infantry is best especially combined with air cavalry and self propelled support and expeditionaey war

[ivory elbow]

mounted infantry is only good for tanks imo

[left tusk]

also my entire airforce is trained and i have a few aces

[mystic nest]

yuno ball

[ivory elbow]

camels meta trust

[woven gate]

how many planes do you have now

[mystic nest]

unironically better than cav and motorised

its like

[woven gate]

weren't camels actually insane for a while

[mystic nest]

mech > camels > cavalry > motorised

[ivory elbow]

it gives a lot of hp for some reason

[mystic nest]

theyre still good if you dont have mech

[woven gate]

motorised is only good as the US

[mystic nest]

and even then mech is js better

[woven gate]

i'm just lazy af to get mech

[ripe slate]

@woven gate no posting modern politicians pls

[woven gate]

so i prefer to play the US so i can just spam them

[woven gate]

got it

[woven gate]

camels only world conquest

[tulip thorn]

Camels are better than moter and calv before having mech or amtracs

mech>camel>calv>moter

[mystic nest]

yes thats what i gave

[mystic nest]

yessir

[woven gate]

i mostly use Inf anyways

unless i'm short on manpower then i make really specialized divisions

so i wouldn't know much about Mechanized

i should probably try it more

[mystic nest]

yes

inf is great

i love inf

[ivory elbow]

its a more kind of luxury defense

[woven gate]

you're my twin

[woven gate]

that's why i use motorized most of the time because i'm too lazy to change it out of my tank divisions

[ivory elbow]

youre missing out on so much defense 🙏

[woven gate]

i'm usually on offense anyways

i'll give it a try though

[ivory elbow]

so true my king

[left tusk]

almost eaten the sudetenland

[mystic cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-shocked-gif-9885796698302419555

[woven gate]

we're really running behind schedule

[mystic cosmos]

Italy when it comes to doing literally anything:

[woven gate]

i guess you've got time to build up your navy if that can be considered a bright side

[left tusk]

it might be endseig for my volunteers

[woven gate]

italy making like 2 futuristic plane designs and shitting themselves for the rest of the war

[woven gate]

what are you doing in china bro

@mystic nest dude

[left tusk]

in my defense bittersteel told me to do that one

[woven gate]

twin

[mystic nest]

well

[woven gate]

to fight for china?

[left tusk]

yes

[mystic nest]

yes because it seasier

[left tusk]

its in his uh tutorial video

[mystic nest]

to afk that

but i would put htem behidn ariver

on amountain

[woven gate]

yeah

[mystic nest]

oh yhou did that

then pull back

well its a bit late now your volunteers might be baked

[woven gate]

that one won't look good in the history books

[mystic nest]

lmao

[woven gate]

if i send volunteers to china i just sit in defendable positions

[left tusk]

my volunteers are experiencing what i will experience in roughly 3 ingame years

[woven gate]

i could see volunteers in china working but with all the other stuff that went wrong idk if we've got that kind of time

[mystic cosmos]

I play as Germany and france just tears through me because Italy can’t help

[left tusk]

[mystic nest]

what

france

tearing through

YOU?

[mystic cosmos]

Yes dawg

💔

[mystic nest]

dude

the french ai

is literally hard coded

to capitulate quickly

[rare sand]

24 divisions on area defence

[mystic nest]

????????

[mystic cosmos]

I literally CANT get through the french frontline

[left tusk]

maybe im not so bad after all :)

[mystic nest]

you never need to defend against france

[woven gate]

guy with nazi pfp loses to france of all places

[mystic nest]

no youre not mate this guy cant get through france

what

[mystic nest]

whats your inf template