#hoi4-general
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average germany game
I see Lebanon
i hate man the guns
i hate that they made it free
I DONT WANT IT
TAKE IT AWAY
I DONT WANT MAN THE GUNS NO MOR
The problem isn't the DLC, it's just your skill.
it is the dlc
before i could make 100 submarines and nuke any navy
now i cant
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submarines are now abysmal
Yeah, you set them in sallow water, of course they will be ineffective.
before i got the dlc it worked
now it doesnt
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this saves cooked now i cant invade the uk
any easy nations no dlcs?
Bro ๐ฅ
i tried nuking their navy with subs and it didnt work
i lose all my subs
cus this stupid ass dlc

Bro just make a surface fleet 
its a bit late, this runs already ruined
Nah
Show ships
Like if you have 1 bb you're golden
You can blow up the british fleet ez
You dont even have a capital ship left do you
Not even one of the pre-dreadnoughts?
i do, 2 battleships
Aight you're good then
Make 2 carriers and watch the british fleet go boom
i have no carrier research
nor have i ever used a carrier

Actually cooked
Alright better idea
Make good subs
1940 sub with 3 torpedoes and a schnorkel
Needs schnorkel
yes
Otherwise visibility too easy to spot
it only lowered visibilty by 7
bro this is not fun
i dont understand navy
I can tell
No
Bruh
What is this cope
Use ur brain
Average sub spammer 
i already used it to make good tanks i dont have anymore room
Now you have to learn real navy tactics
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Well get used to making planes too
atleast i have good planes
You're gonna have to learn how good they made carriers
Bro it's not hard
Carriers always were good
They just unnecessarily buffed them with the doctrine
But they made them better
ive never touched a carrier
battleships are cooler
-2 hours per attack ๐คค
Shbb my beloved
They are good though
ngl i think ima make a new save and try to learn this stupid ass navy this saves already at 1940 and i dont have the uk
Alright i can teach you easily
Make light cruiser
done
is sub spam viable if i use a non shit template
hey does anyone understand how to like fix a mod
I you make enough of them ig
Do you have air independant propulsion? Idr which dlc does that
i make one every 4 days
do i have what
The special project?
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Oml i bet you never even made a naval research facility
no i havent
i stole the british one for a period of time before they nuked 20 divisions
i hate how they made it so you can only do 2 naval invasions at a time
its so annoying
Do the naval invasion research
the what
oh ofc thats a research now
ok yea this runs screwed
It existed before tbh
yea but it didnt do anything did it?
They just changed it when they changed naval invasions with the new navy system
No it was very useful
the only real naval invasion germany has to do is one time
You just didnt have to notice it as a major
i havent ever played a minor i dont think before
Bulgaria is so peak
wouldnt they just get nuked by germany
Ironically sisu has nothing to do with this
County modifier is only 0.7%
bro Bulgaria's tree is so broken and overpowered
even the Democratic path can core all of the Balkans
yeah but sisu does give winter modifiers
is this satire
it just amplifies the terrain modifiers
nope
It literally doesn't?
Not even, you can get like 200 dockyards if you own all the black sea off of one focus
It gives core attack and defense
it's genuinely one of the best trees in the game
yep
gotta love the Non Aligned path
still wouldnt germany just murder it
winter attrition does nothing in combat
Also doesn't matter
road
not if you have literally the Balkans
but cas reduction is in vanilla too i think?
welp im going to bed i gotta wake up in an hour
Bulgaria is so good you could absolutely beat Germany
i doubt it my 2 braincells are fighting for 3rd place
like 10 minutes of paused time lost
bro I've been building a mod and suddenly a few days ago I added a localisation file and it crashed the game
dam you paradox
I swear to God
im playing vanilla rn bro
makes it worse
Restore the Bulgarian Patriarchate is such a good focus
The fascist path is eh you just kinda sit around and do nothing
the Communist and Democratic paths can core all the Balkans and unify it without declaring a single war
the Non Aligned path is perfect
thats js boring though
yeah I don't play them
this is perfect in every way
what does coring do btw
basically it makes a state act as if it was yours from the start
so yk how when you conquer someone
you don't really have all the stuff they do
it makes it a part of your country proper
oh shit fr?
i thought the only difference was compliance
if you're playing France and you beat Germany
you're not getting everything Germany has 100%
ive never played anything but germany

hello
if you get cores on other states
And you dont make a high seas fleet? Smh
those also become parts of Bulgaria proper
no im a submarine spammer
and not just regular annexed lands
CLs are Broken bro
whats a cl
Light Cruiser
true
Submarines werent even cool irl
I play Lebanon and Bulgaria mostly
because I hate myself
yes they were
germany even had giant concrete submarine bays
hey no my submarines
Battleships are cool but I don't like them
The only cool submarine is the USS Wahoo
Nah allows you to acces manpower and resources
u still can if they arent cored though
not all
yes but you can access far more
you don't get access to all of it
pre sure for non cored on extensive conscrption is like 0.5%?
ok
or something
forgot the exact number
annex everything you need for Arabia
theres a console?
yeah
opens it
and then form Arabia
People who dont make a navy sicken me
i dont make a navy
neato
i literally have not produced an armed navy ship in the past 15 playthroughs
You're the coolest version of your country to ever exist and you choose to not be a naval superpower? Disgusting
doesnt help when the ai navy collapses to a couple naval bombers
even I build a navy as Lebanon
nah wolfensteins cooler than my generic ww2 germany failure
Based and navypilled

theres no way you have the industry to afford a navy and army as lebanon ๐ญ
I just make shitty CLs and DDs
unless if you form the arabia thing
anyways ima go sleep i gotta wake up in 52 minutes
Sure you do
adios
you get 3 free dockyards
and id throw all of them on convoys
Should I wait for the "battle of bhosporus" discount or should I just buy it?
yeah I do that until I have like 200
Why? You're on the mainland
0
rubber
troop transport through the med too
you go independent
You dont have the industry to do boats and you wanna do planes? Smh
declare on Syria
planes are moer important than boats
wait for Iraq to flip
like this aint even a debate
and then declare on them
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anyone got a good mecha division for encirclements ?
And if you dont outproduce the enemy mean nothing
naval bombers can replace the roal of a large navy
a large navy cannot replace the roles of fighters and cas
but its more fun to sit till 1946 to deploy 2 battleships
on 1936 chasis
how is this fair brah ๐ญ๐ญ
??? what does that even mean man
once you have Syria and Iraq as Lebanon then you can start playing the real game
Navy is how you stop naval invasions and use your full army
in 1940
air is literally more important for the army
this is sad
is my pfp against the server rules
doesn't seem like it
he got a ss officer in a bad piggies pfp lol
You know whats more important than planes? Having a functioning army and if you think lebanon cant do a fleet they definitely dont have the industry to do planes
zamn
yeah so id just throw everthing on armies
im nto saying you must have planes
you can make planes it's just why would you
im saying its army > aircraft >> navy
if youre going to throw ic on navy you might as well make planes with that ic
Navy uses seperate factories
you dont produce those factories for free
I mean you can build a navy as Lebanon easily but air force is way harder
Therefore your argument is dumb and you're a sub spammer
it still costs a shit ton of IC
i dont even produce subs
it sp
its sp
Well lebanon gets 3 from a focus so
yeah sure
pout those 3 on navy
dont make more dockyards is what im saying
im not saying dont use the free dockyards
but it's much easier to make a terrible navy than to make a really bad air force
Now you offended me
Me and my 40 australian dockyards have nothing to say to you
I usually put them on convoys until I have roughly 100 or 200 then move to making really CLs and DDs
there is no way you're arguing that navy in singeplayer is more useful than just dedicating more ic to the army or even making a small airforce man
really Bad
Play ahistorical australia and tell me that again
they're not bad they're just not Good
No plane mio = you literally cant build good enough of a plane
i dont play ahistorical ๐ฅ the games balanced from the perspecitve of historical anyway
do you have a good cheap CL template
and DD
Yeah lemme open the game
yeah but those are Jagermaisters
you dont need a plane mio for your airforce to wipe the ground with the ai and still do great cas damage
aw hell what
Seen more
thats funny then
what does the open beta add
then there are also mechanized infantry. Those things have even higher defense I think.
yeh ik i just dont wanna
If you have 50 factories to put on it IG you're right but australia literally gets zero room to expand without fighting the allies
just because you have seen the largest fish it doesnt mean you have seen the best fish
im waiting for a 6767 attack 69420 defense
maybe, i'm saying it as in general
that investing more ic into the army
or making an air force is better than investing ic into a navy
in general
obviously there will be cases where the navy is more important
I wouldnt touch planes before 50 mils with the exception of naval bombers
but if youre playing as like germany or the soviets
yeah
Bad planes arent worth it and good planes are too expensive
you can still push ai with red air
it just helps
you can world conquest without ever producing a plane or ship
aint no way man cas is broken
????
I dont play majors so theres no way i can win the air war
you can literally field thousands of planes as like brazil in 41
And cas does like mabye 1 damage if you dont win it so w/3
Brazil is better than italy
Brazil is more of a major than half the majors
of course you can field a ridiculous amount of planes as a broken country
you can field a proper airforce with msot of the minors especially on sp
bulgaria hungary sweden etc
look at a real minor country
a real minor country cant even field a navy like one of the chinese warlords
sweden gets good expansion options and can core its neighbors
bulgaria can core the balkans
hungary can form austria hungary
yes
i play them because theyre fun
i dont want to play as like the sinkian province
with 3 mils and room for 3 more
but all of them are basically majors in a trench coat that says minor country
dude what minor country can afford to build a large navy but not an air force
ah i havent played romania yet
its a real minor
i just play hungary
if i want to play in eastern europe
and bulgaria if i want to play in the balkans
greece if i want a mediterranean minor
like if you're a minor that doesnt get more cores you can forget using air
yeah but to be fair playing as minor countries that can get more cores
has to be like the most soul draining thing at least for me
cant*
i usually only end my playthroughs after capping all starting majors
so doing that as like ethiopia is something i havent even considered
most cost effective cruiser if you want to be as cheap as possible and my preferred one
im holding out for the australia dlc tbh
i played liek one australia game
it was pretty boring
but if you do the special forces glitch australia can absolutely run through the pacific
1 STEEL??? ๐
thats because the dominions minus south africa suck
with mountaineers and marines
canada is fine if you cap america
if i play as a minor that cant get more cores i usually just run with the special forces thing
you can still make an incredible impact on the game with like 48 divs of special forces
breakthrough
that questions way too general though
I got a bunch of breakthrough on this one artillery division i made but its really weak
what is your template
factories use energy
coal is converted into energy
if you run out of coal
then your factories work at a reduced efficiency
OHH
Ill send it to u one sec
the coal is what makes energy
i thought like
it just did the same thing as energy but more important
lol
hi selen ๐
hey๐
haven't been on the server for a small while
how do you get to that?
airdrop
tuvan is encircled by japans empire
and japan is really op
and i need to cap tuva to end my war with china
since they took faction leadership
im stuck in a war with chine cause of this one thing
like nearly 30 divs on a last stand order ur baked
you airdropped 30 units and you didn't thought about encircling the city ๐ญ
do u expect tuva to have 30 units
nobody expects tuva to have 30 units bro
what years/ month?
1948
that explains it lol
then yes i expect it
ive never played a game past 47
doing bulgaria wc
late game basically every country that has the manpower ptential has a ton of troops
dang
pure annexation
in alr prepping
to fight the axis
is this non historical
ima release the usa and china as puppets
partial
dont
wdym by partial historical ๐ญ
im facist
i get their factories and manpower
and i dont wanna defend that shit
im gonna build forts anti air everything in the balkans
just hold balkans till my enemies run outa manpower
thats
going to take a while mate
im not gonna beat the axis bro
especially since the ai loves going to scraping the barrel
im doing multiple lines
i have special forces to do encirclements
and tanks to hold
i have 3 army groups
i trie dplayinga holding bulgaria and i gave up after like
15 million enemy casualties
i mean holding hungary
not bulgaria
they werent breaking through
but i just got so bored
i h ad like 150k casualties or something really funny
fair enough
pushing withoutsupply
so u can peae out and do your focus tree
yeah but
i need to do my focus tree
so i can core the balkans
ah
also the defense bonuses on bulgaria is insane
ah
maybe i shouldnve tried holding bulgaria then
mightve gotten an even funnier ratio
but yeah i usually quit after 47
the game over s creen
i take it as a sign that my runs over
i didnt do holding this game
my ratio is cause i did massive encirclements with my special forces in china italy and usa
my holding is a endgame plan
i have too they dont get anything on me
other than the Main gun and cruiser research what do I need to research for this
once i build my wall and anti air
ima deploy air move navy to black sea
release puppets
train puppet troops
make em garrison my coast do my focus tree and declare
youll be sitting there for a while then the world can easily take like
400mil casualties or some stupid number
this is why i usually count world conquests as just capping all the majors lol
and china
countenance 16.10 now has a generic leader for japan, they really wanted to get rid of the old hirohito portrait
ya'll can't play hoi4 with one handโ๏ธ
u forget
i can encircle
and i have the resources and factories contained in my ownland
i can sustain a fight for hella long
yeah its more a matter of boredom than anything
after i core balkans its gon be super super hella long
im probably gonna set up the defenses and air etc
then go do smt else
watch supernatural season 3 finish
thats it, mabye armor research?
lol
if this doesnt work we just cooked
playing as brazil and coring everything is so fun man
its beautiful
you can have like 600 facotires by 43
Guys what country should i choose
do you have dlcs
France and Turkey one
are you new to the game
holy shat
ur cooked
f it bro
are you asking for a minor or major
Js any
idk if brazils stuff is gated behidn a dlc
but its incredibly fun
core the entirety of south and central america and you get one massive country
more industy than ai america
you basically become a superpower and you dont have to invade any of them
except peru and paraguay i think
venezuela
cuz theyre fascist
ight
i think you can still core everything as fascist brazil
just that fighting in central south america is terrible
With no ai history
Oh nvm im choosing brazil instead of venezuela
idk if brazils focus is locked behind dlc though
I started in 1936 what focus tree i choose
it is
turns out its gated behind a dlc
Oh yeah its only efforts
ight
Okay then what country do i choose
I only have battle of bospurus and La Resistance
bulgaria is a very strong minor
greece is pretty fun too
turkey is good
Okay
play any of hte three
Then ill revive Second Bulgarian Empire๐ฅ
You can make the third Bulgarian empire
in the fascist path
which I don't like
the Bulgarian fascist path is just eh
the non Aligned one however
top 1 path in the gsme
I decided to rebel against OCD and play EU 5 and I genuinely don't get anything.
I need advice.
It's a Hearts of Iron server.
I know but it is made by the same developers.
And?
Well, EU 5 is new and popular.
Again, that does not have to do with anything.
It's both grand strategy games developed my Paradox.
Yes but this server is made for HOI, not EU.
I just spent the last hour or so trying to win the American civil war, thinking it is a difficult task because I have no divisions, just to discover a year in I havent clicked the 2 dicisions that make it possible...
Are you talking to yourself?
It helps with my OCD.
I bought EU 5 yesterday but OCD gave me extremely strong urges, telling me not to play it but today I did it anyways.
Gg for overcoming it :3
can in increase compliance by building stuff? like if i play italy can i build stuff in ethiopia for the duce mission?
you cannot succeed that mission
i can
i have 56 percent compliance and i still have half the time needed
ita main/likes theory
while keeping building civs and mils
building doesnt do anything to compliance
Hey, do you by any chance know Bittersteel?
I watched one of his videos when he played a difficult mod in HOI4 and he said that someone named Casey taught him things that would help him.
I don't know if that is you or not.
also
from what i've read
building stuff doesn't increase compliance
but reduces resistance
and lower resistance means you gain compliance faster
(idk if this is all true or even worth it i jusr read it from google ai rn)
ive talked to him
"how's ur facist canada run going"
it's not over yet the axis are holding my frontlines but like i dont think i'm ever going to washington as planned
invade the U.S. before they join allies it's a lot easier
you don't say
give me a break i've never done this run before
is this good as 1939 india?
how tf did u do that
zamn
bro how on earth
India superpower 1950
https://discordapp.com/channels/183787140671471616/916726465574342706 can i get some help here ?
Someone can help me too?
Historical India or loyal subject path?
was nice knowing yall
i was right
im chinese india
BRO WHY ITS IN NEGATIVE XDDDDDDDDD
recruitable -3k
yeah forgot french cant do this whole "defending" thing
lets take paris
paris has fallen
hmm they gon be demo one day?
my game hates me
it's so joeover
what can i even do
you snaked you wasnt ready and you didnt have enough manpower
i didn't even declare on soviets
they declared on me bro
you should've hold your capital and grind sovviets
i didn't die out yet
i would fallback to my cores and defend
i retreated mostly
with 16 witdh no support division template
You going Bury Grudges of the Past?
what I recommend is put your spies in Romania and boost Democracy until 60%
from my runs
Greece just refuses to flip
romania is demo
greece is gone cus it went 4th international
give me a guide on how to bring back the ottoman empire
simply put
you dont\
yeah but its top 10 worse hoi4 focus trees
yo guys do yall know anythin about sales or smth? i want to buy some dlc
what is this situation vrotato
soviets declared, didint have anything in the east
was storming into germany
ik a big dlc came out a few months ago but what do you guys thing the next BIG dlc will be?
you didnt expect a soviet intervention?
i did, but it wasnt enough
obviosuly we know abou taog
usa rework ORR some random region update, and then usa rework
had like 30 sum divs over there
i think france and uk really need new focuses especially france
yeah, they could do like an atlantic rework thing, but then again, we might have a random region update before that just like how we had the middle east dlc first and then japan
i mean thunder at our gates is confirmed
and theres the czech focus tree thing
then after that i think they might get the big dlc
why do you only have 3 armies in 1943?
Australia dlc
Need 1 person for a 2v2 in the commanders mod anyone interesed dm me
@somber dawn where do i need to join?
do you know the mood ?
time to wait 10 years in a looking for a game vc
I noticed a "MEN" tag with Ulanhu
does this mean that he would be hireable with Mengokuo ?
hungary?
Nah Hungary's better
I thought Latvia's agriculture was bad
Man, I'm regretting this
someone give a nation to play
Bulgaria
lithuania imperialist is fun if you don't mind spending 1 year fixing the country
liberia
That's not a country
a nation with a focus tree
done that
was considering that. hmm
bulgaria's fun
If you delay the shipbuilding focus, you can get like 90 dockyards
i've never built ships before tho
Bulgaria return of Ferdinand
I love building ships
Because paradox thought it would be fun if Greece and turkey werent fun (For the most part)
Atleast bulgaria is fun
fascist ethiopia
Should I go for mounted infantry doctrine as Kumul Khanate(the leader has cav buffs+uniting the Turks gives cav buffs) or is it still not worth it?
mountaineers will be best
or something else
but do whatever youd like
I'm using them already
I'm always using mountaineers
indiv excellence is OP
Just idk if I should try making my main army be cavalry instead of infantry cuz it gets a ton of buffs from my nation
and is 26 a good width for mountaineers
32 is better
and how about marines
Still 32 iirc
But mixing marines with mointaineers is better
France my beloved
I was going to use assault infantry
Actually large unit tactics cuz I'm China
Do cavalry recon detachment bonuses affect the recon from mountaineer doctrine?
yo any tips, is turkey a good start
Turkey's focus tree sucks, it takes you until like 1941 to do anything
Other than that it's ok
Its ok ish
True
Or atleast the ottoman path is ok
Still way too long
It takes you until like 39 to deal with everything and attack Greece
39 is about average for alot of nations tbh
Some are quicker, Some take longer
True
i see ty, so whats a good one for beginners
Hungary and Canada are pretty ok
ty, wb germany?
Germany is only good once you understand the basics
Otherwise just really overwhelming
why is 32 best width for mountaineers and not 25
Does the naval AI work already? I am taking a break until it does
its combat width is 50
Tbh Germany isn't bad
Also I started as Italy cuz you get to get used to combat by beating Ethiopia
More stats
And 32 is enough for 2 to join into a battle
be honest hearing germany reviving kaiser would be more tensioning than hearing remilitaration of rhineland in preww2
get the 35 day focus for turkey mod and it is the GOAT
True
is this good then
i lowkey... kinda struggled
Close
i dont wanna use mods yet
But line arty is bad
i have ett60 if the stats are too inflated
someone should make a balatro x hoi4 mod
Pure mountaineers is better
you do you, but it is just a little mod that makes playing Turkey fun
i am a devote superior firepower user
Hold on mounted infantrt doctrine gives cavalry +50% speed?
Doesnt make line arty good
ty all for the help
That's almost the speed of cars
Even with the new dlc line arty is mid
by the way, people really sleep on the +6 volunteers that Turkey gets on its fascist/communist kemalist path
9km/h
well is 32.4 too much width
Hoi4 rounds down iirc
Yesnt
it makes for a very fun game of multiplayer where you win the war for a noob phalanxist spain
Viva La france
whats the width for 3 units 1 direction in plains
38 is just superior almost everywhere, atleast with tanks/spgs
i have massive tank divisions dont worry
im talking about either marines into plains or defensive units
36
Mountaineer/ranger mix with marines are really good
32-36 width
yall love stressing special forces limit huh
The div had like 600 soft on its own, and with proper terrain and planning bonus
hm
bruh
most i've gotten in base game was 2k
anyways 3 of these can attack in one tile right
plains yes
urss initiative
im only gonna invade into plains
ideally
with mainres
might have some marsh here or there if unlucky tho
This
would mixing some marine widths be good
considering if two marine templates are the exact same
they sometimes kinda
lose the same org at the same rate
and end up kinda non reinforcing themselves out
?
marines sometimes lose org too simutaneously
so when 2 marine divisiions are out of combat
they leave at the same time
and not give other marines time to reinforce
I dont understand what you mean, "Mixing some marine widths"
llike a 40 and 24
some marines have 40 width
others 24
no
So should I use normal reckon instead of the mountaineer one cuz it gets bonuses from doctrines or is the mountaineer one better?
the only recon companies that are worth are recon rangers and light tank recon, anything else is basically dogshit
Ok
Recon rangers my beloved
Same, I always use them
Must have support company
unless you wanna go at blistering speeds beyond 6.4 kmh
I honestly forget that recon rangers cant go faster than that
Mountaineers and infantry can't go beyond that anyways
Since I never really ever do units faster than 6.4 kmh
its possible now i think
Even with mobile infantry infantry moves at like 6mph
Or 5
its 5
When will be the next dlc sale
is this too small for an industry section (this is my romania mod)
Oh forgot about their existence
yeah very few countries have them
Btw cavalry doctrine makes it move at like 9,6mph
its motorized arty
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lol
how do people
I could go for that as Kumul Khanate, uniting the Turks gives +15% attack/damage to cav and the leader gives +10%
Cavalry doctrine says it gives +50% speed to line arty, but no idea if that affects motorised arty
yoo, anybody wanna play historical soviets right now? just dm me
i dont really use cavalry so idk
Some countries can get a lot of bonuses for cavalry but I haven't ever used it either
.
Also as Bermondian Poland you can get some additional cav bonuses
Cav doctrine actually seems kinda good
Yes.. add more more more..
Stronker
This is RT56 if you fragment everything. It took me 5 minutes to do all that. Way too long. This is a fever dream.
Guys when is the next dlc sale
What do I replace for signal companies?
Rocket arty
Ok
if this is a defensive unit
then field hospitals arent really necessary neither
depending on your air situation
id recommend anti air
because cas will break defensive lines
I'm in China, I don't think I'll have issues with air
I had AA but I just replaced it with hospitals
I think I'll replace hospitals with rocket arty
Why does Hitler suck so much bruh
8.4
+50% speed is just 2kmph because cavalry already has +40% speed on 4kmph base
steiner will counterattack and take moscow in 2 days
Oh, makes sense
you can get more
infantry equipment can be made faster with the support equipment MIO
you should be able to push it to like 6.4 minimum
Mobile warfare has that officer corp that gives division speed
It increases infantry speed?
I thought it was pointless XD
its about in design inf being speed locked by ranger recon
yes
can you get negative consumer goods factor?
cuz i have decisions that in total can give me negative consumer goods factor
anyone got an focus mod recommendations? (but not complete overhaul)
Just replace it with 10 kmh tank recon ๐
where is bro
Are motherships fighters or heavy fighters?
i need to do a speed inf build
and i need to play greenland sometime
maybe ill mix the two
They belong to the heavy plane category but is its own unit type
Doing some border conflicts
someone help the soviet union annd germanay are after me im italy someone help
Then I'll attack the USSR and become the Mongol Empire
uh anyone?
Yeah
You can
hello hoi4 goyums
it's the local salvadoran nationalist
the guy that keeps playing as minor nations and don't do jack nothing for 2 hours straight
hi fellow minor nation player
hello
this is why I play as Uzbekistan in the fire rises with the forgotten nations sub mod
Uzbekistan a nuclear superpower before anyone else
to larp eco liberalisation
yes ofc