hoi4-general

[random snow]

alot of strat bombers

[shut sigil]

Ik

That's what I said

Wait so you are using the tac bombing air mission or the port strike one?

[random snow]

i had tactical bombers with medium torpedo mounts port striking their ships in port and i had strat bombers bombing their shipyards and dock yard so they cant build anything

[shut sigil]

Ohhhhh alright then thanks for the clarification

[fair horizon]

i just park my carriers next to the port and port strike with them

[shut sigil]

But with that I got no idea how they managed to even put up a capital

[fair horizon]

because if they had 5 dockyards anywhere they can build it

[shut sigil]

Yeah I guess that's fair

[random snow]

i have 3 aircraft carriers with battleship and destroyer escorts on always engage surrounding the UK so they cant break out without going through hell

I also refit the dreadnoughts i have with new guns and radar and the whole upgrade package in the bay of Biscay just incase

[flint wasp]

Wsp

[vapid tusk]

Why is playing with turkey (no dlc) funnier than italy (no dlc) and hungary (with dlc)

[random snow]

so far i have only sustained a few losses in aircraft and 8 destroyers

[flint wasp]

Hm

[woven gate]

the best president is on hoi4 discord

my life's complete

[flint wasp]

Agreed

[azure walrus]

how do I get mannstein without civil war in hit game hoi4 with hit mod thousand week reich

[random snow]

they never cease to amaze me

[flint wasp]

I forgot to protect the east coast

https://tenor.com/view/razor-razorcutta-sad-crying-breakdown-gif-22290021

[random snow]

I puppeted the UK in the peace agreement and now i have to repair the damage i caused when i bombed them to shit

[slim idol]

Such is war

[random snow]

side note the US turned fascist

[karmic gyro]

I have no dlc or “updates” for this game which one is the best to get as far as focus trees go

[random snow]

Well germany got the Gotterdammerung tree on top of the dlcs that were integrated into the game a while ago and its beginner friendly so i would go for it because all the other countries are stuck with shitty trees or no tree at all

[karmic gyro]

Yeah, that’s my problem is I like playing Balkan nations

And half of em are bad or nonexistent

[heavy vigil]

me with oceania rn

[fair horizon]

another fun bug, i have plenty of spare planes and they wont replace them

[heavy vigil]

ah

click the bomber designs of the bombers used

it probably has a machine gun

or some other module

[fair horizon]

nope

unless bombs count then

[heavy vigil]

its the bomb locks

[fair horizon]

well thats stupid

[heavy vigil]

they add more available mission types so its incompatible

[fair horizon]

ah well ill replace them then, thanks casey

[heavy vigil]

its particulatly annoying with numerous planes

like the soviet starting tac bomber has bomb locks so you cant make a full bomb bay plane to reinforce their wings

or the US p-26 fighter has 2x lmg and bomb locks, making it a rare plane type thats also incapable of being reinforced

other plane types that have this are some japanese starting CAS for example with bomb bays on them, you cant reinforce those with bomb lock cas and so they become obsolete/low strenght etc

unless you specifically make planes like those

[cedar kite]

I hope if they do update the usa, they have more accurate leaders for the csa instead of ones that dont make sense

[random snow]

Idk if they have had a dedicated USA dlc but there has been changes in a few of them

[fair horizon]

yeah usually i put bomb locks on my naval bombers but i didnt this time

[safe wing]

Is Germany doing better chat

[wanton whale]

Lowkey

Germany is cooking

i'm still stuck here btw guys, everytime I push my game crashes 🔥

[fair horizon]

chat guess my favorite carrier doctrine

[upper shuttle]

should I use world ablaze or black ice for historical accuracy?

[snow rain]

world ablaze has a better learning curve and is less complex
overhaul I'd say WA is better in terms of enjoymnt

[ripe slate]

Wait for sale

also, welcome

[karmic gyro]

Yeah, stuff not already integrated, and thank you

[ripe slate]

Gotterdammerung has Austria/Hungary reworks

[karmic gyro]

Ooh

[ripe slate]

Nice pfp btw

[ripe slate]

I dont like that bice at least "reworks" the equipment and unnecessarily complicates it

[tulip thorn]

Your pfp kills me every time I see it lol

[ripe slate]

Is it canon?

[tulip thorn]

Maybe

Dont think that would fly in the wonderbolts though

[fair horizon]

patrolling with carriers on naval scout is fun

[hearty dune]

Whats a format to use?

Or u just do whatever

[tulip thorn]

?

[fair horizon]

paradox can you fix the bug where anytime america wins a war war tension goes to 0?

cause this is ridiculous

[neon mango]

Have you guys ever noticed that Hearts of Iron 4 never gets any actual Quality of Life updates? Its always just fixes, balances, or new features - but never any quality of life

[fair horizon]

fixes

[ember vine]

Fixes lol

Afghanistan tried to attack me through their mountain line for a milisecond

Nobody talks about that

[daring geyser]

we get some quality of life updates every major patch but they are few

[neon mango]

We only get new features every major patch which themselves has issues

[mellow parrot]

Cool

[tulip thorn]

Unknown is very powerful

[oak mantle]

Which map mod are you using?

[wanton whale]

I have 60 mods, I have no idea

[oak mantle]

Is it like a pack you downloaded or smth?

Or individual mods you picked out

[heavy vigil]

hiii tac happy birthday to your mom

[daring geyser]

oh hi casey

thanks!!

hope youre doing good on your job as a garbage truck operator

[static hare]

Wait

What the hell

I wanted to declare war as communist country

And it says I need 25% world tension

I don't have any national spirit giving me this

[tulip thorn]

Are you in a faction

[opal nymph]

No quality of life? In the past, you had to manually stop exercises

There was no stop when fully trained feature

[oak mantle]

Exercising nowadays is constant anyway cause of mastery

[opal nymph]

Remember when you had to manually keep up with MEFO

And it wasn't just automatically done in the background

[tulip thorn]

They should bring back the old air menu and management

So peak

[vapid tusk]

Heavy ship or light cruiser as germany 1936

[tulip thorn]

Just a few news events for the same thing all at once

[mental mantle]

spam subs best strat

[tulip thorn]

Not anymore, subs wont give you good naval supremacy

[slim idol]

You only need naval supremacy to naval invade

Just use a bunch of subs to destroy their navy

Then use some destroyers to get the naval supremacy when they have lost enough ships

[oak mantle]

ARe these good early war tanks for germany

[tulip thorn]

I'd personally replace trucks with calv

Cheaper and like the same stats

[oak mantle]

Probably would have been better to do that but anything against the ai is fine

[tulip thorn]

Its fine

But it does go Mech>Camel>Calv>Truck

[oak mantle]

Alr ty

[slim idol]

Unless you specifically need fast units for some reason, in which trucks are important if you don't have mech

[terse skiff]

Hp is too low

10 armor is usually the maximum

[oak mantle]

Production for germany really shouldnt be of concern that early in the game

Armor clicks give breakthrough

[terse skiff]

You will lose too much equipment

[oak mantle]

I understand how hp works and like i said

Germany shouldnt be concerned about lack of equipment that early on

And the HP isnt that low

[terse skiff]

That depends on how many tank divisions you have

[slim idol]

How does HP work

[oak mantle]

I had 18 and i faced 0 issues with equipment lol

[terse skiff]

I use all tank divisions so I do need high hp

[slim idol]

I never learned

[terse skiff]

It determines how much equipment/manpower damage you take

[slim idol]

Ok

[oak mantle]

Well personally stats matter much more than a couple extra losses cause of hp

[terse skiff]

Inf/mech give high hp and org, tanks are like 2 HP so if you have 18 tanks in a division your tank stockpile will be wiped out immediately

[oak mantle]

YEah well as you can see it wasnt just 18 tanks in the division

[solemn bay]

the HOI4 ai is so smart

[tulip thorn]

if you notice, this was a defensive battle.

If your units did enter that area, they wouldnt have been allowed to go through that anyway

[solemn bay]

Ah

[heavy vigil]

oh thank you tac

[inner cove]

what achivement should i do

i get decision paralysis

[fathom swan]

any tips??

[supple summit]

Anyone know if SPAA is worth it?

[steel zephyr]

tryna get the 30m of hell and still waiting 😢

germans are justifying but atleast i got krakow region fortified

invades lith before me bruh

[sharp sierra]

did u start in 1939 start date

[wispy stream]

I think there is a youtube video on it where you can do it with holding only like 3 tiles

[sharp sierra]

he has the right strat where he has the tiny czech puppet

[steel zephyr]

yeah copied that from aldra's video

[steel zephyr]

i need to make sure i got a tile behind my lines this time

had a short run before this where it was just krakow, katowice and i got destroyed

[wispy stream]

ooh okay

[steel zephyr]

anytime soon now...

[sharp sierra]

did you start in 1939 or not

[steel zephyr]

yes i did

[sharp sierra]

did u turn ahistorical on or something

[steel zephyr]

yes but i didnt even think it could defer from the real path

[sharp sierra]

i remember only getting a month to prepare

[steel zephyr]

gonna start a new game on his

my first game germany went the usual path on nonhis so i just assumed it did that even in nonhis

[sharp sierra]

@steel zephyr see if u can take the mountain tile from slovakia when the war begins

[steel zephyr]

ts miserable

[sharp sierra]

this was my defense line

def change those tank and motorized units

put the guns and manpower from them into a better unit

[steel zephyr]

bruh didnt even lose krakow nor katowice 😢

[sharp sierra]

total vp's probably low from releasing belarus and ukraine

did soviets take wilno

or nvm

but they will eventually

[steel zephyr]

gave it to lith

[steel zephyr]

yes but holding katowice and krakow should do

oh well second game it is

[sharp sierra]

i remember it being fine with just katovice and krakow but if i reloaded the save then i would capitulate

what are u producing

[random snow]

well i guess i better go tell speer to go and balance my check book i have some spending to do

[steel zephyr]

a bit less time here

[tulip thorn]

I hate that they make me build heavy cruisers and battlecruisers to complete this

[random snow]

battlecruisers a way more effective for costing more when heavy cruisers get sunk easy

the only thing they are good for is AA shields but put duel purpose and normal AA on the battlecruisers then you have it

[tulip thorn]

I just dont like building them

Either of them

Why build them when I can build my glorious heavy battleship

[random snow]

i prefer destroyers

[random snow]

they are slow af early game and the refits are a pain to deal with

they only get over 30 knots with a nuclear reactor

by then they are obsolete

[tulip thorn]

I honestly couldnt care less if they are good or not

I just like them

I just like big navy with lots of big ships

Not to mention, you really only need to make light cruisers as a few nations

[random snow]

Well destroyers are replaceable

heavy cruisers arent that replaceable

[tulip thorn]

I said light

Light crusiers with armor are pretty much all you need

[random snow]

light cruisers are just a fancy word for slightly better destroyers

its may 11th 1942

see the comparison?

[tulip thorn]

Destroyers are pretty much only good to be cannon fodder

Just make em as cheap as possible while light cruisers have the real stats

[random snow]

i slap depthcharges 1 torpedo tube and the rest are AA

[tulip thorn]

Thats a pretty expensive destroyer

Very expensive for something thats meant to die

[random snow]

not really

[tulip thorn]

2k when a good light cruiser is like 3-4k

[random snow]

i go for a tank strat with my navy with destroyers and light cruisers

find something that will work and build a shit ton of em

[craggy trail]

[kind vale]

Is torpedo attack better than light attack on screens

[craggy trail]

You want more light attack on cruisers. For destroyers, it's all of the above

[random snow]

my battleships handle the screens and my aircraft carriers handle the capital ships and the destroyers are just AA boats

sometimes a destroyer will assist in a battleship kill but thats it

its why i put torpedo tubes on their

[tulip thorn]

Heavy attack cant attack screens.....

Not how it works

Battleships with heavy attack can only attack capital ships

Carriers can attack everything

[random snow]

i put alot of duel purpose secondary's on them

[tulip thorn]

Thats so little light attack

[random snow]

it works

[tulip thorn]

They're doing less than a starting italian light cruiser

Well ofc it works

Its singleplayer

everything works

[random snow]

I used this is multiplayer with my friend who has like 3000 hours and a single battleship sunk like all of his screens i think it was like 30 destroyers and a handful of light cruisers

[slim nexus]

I don't know about you but I do like the Soviet art DLC

if only if it was intergrated

[tulip thorn]

Did you have other screens

[random snow]

wait 1 sec im refitting them with new mio upgrades

this is my standard carrier group

i still have 0 clue how the new support and repair ships work so they are just for show rn

[sharp sierra]

does big number still win or do i actually have to make a fleet composition like those larping nerds

[random snow]

more powerful the ships the better 1 will preform but if you can build it in numbers will matter greatly

[tulip thorn]

The naval designs and composition is like the same

[heavy vigil]

more ship win battle

more fleet cover more zone

[tulip thorn]

Like death stack

[heavy vigil]

cover less zone win more battle

[tulip thorn]

death stack my beloved

[sharp sierra]

just give me 50 light cruisers and 3 aircraft carriers

[tulip thorn]

That still works fine

[heavy vigil]

in my game i have m o r e

[tulip thorn]

Like the same as before

[heavy vigil]

im annoyed by a bug

i have like

[sharp sierra]

it is kinda nice how the ai is so braindead wwith their fleets now

[heavy vigil]

100+ nuclear regular missile subs

and they cant use their missiles due to a bug

i mean they could if i swapped them all for ballistic missile 1

but thats so much time spent

[snow forge]

Should I buy EU5 or NCNS?

[drifting grove]

hoi4's worst abstraction is probably air combat tbh

[drifting grove]

i dont like eu, as a seris, but please dont buy NCNS

go bet it on the lobsters at the super market fighting for all i care

[chrome mulch]

What is NCNS

[split bane]

No Compromise No Surrender

[chrome mulch]

Oh lol

I got it in a 'certain something' method

[drifting grove]

why are airplanes just an abstract modifer now????

[terse skiff]

because the time spent on air combat was instead spent on designing Poland's weaker than general focus tree

[warped flint]

guys do I play hoi4 all day on my birthday

im thinking yes

[cloud yacht]

No

[tulip thorn]

Yes

[warped flint]

hmmm

[tulip thorn]

Spin a wheel

[fathom swan]

Why is Josef called Iosef

[amber matrix]

is this fine for 1939?

[amber matrix]

Thats how his name is supposed to be spelled, Joseph is the English translation

[cedar kite]

huh

[amber matrix]

What year is it

[cedar kite]

1936

[amber matrix]

it changes to franco soon

[terse skiff]

You should make 36 width divisions

[heavy vigil]

its mostly the supports

no terrain buffs

[pale flare]

surprisingly almost equal naval battle

[amber matrix]

i didnt have the stockpile for that yet

[lost tide]

Ok I just deleted the railway gun of the soviets because they magically spawned it somehow

My industry is getting blown up 24/7 and I can't do anything about it except shoot a few soviet cas and tac bombers down occasionally

I hate the winter war and now my public trust is getting lower because I lost lappa

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[kind vale]

How are your planes being shot down

[lost tide]

I have no planes

[kind vale]

Why

[lost tide]

I am relying on static aa in Helsinki and support aa to shoot down the infinity cas and tac bombers bombing me

[lost tide]

Gee maybe I am playing as finland

[shut sigil]

Oh he's sexy

[kind vale]

Finland is strong enough to make planes

You dont need many

Just good quality planes

[lost tide]

Twin it's finland

I have barely enough mils to produce rifles, support equipment, arti, aa and trains + trucks

[kind vale]

How💀

[lost tide]

I went historical

[kind vale]

Even with the historical path its not hard to have alot of mils

[lost tide]

Twin I wasted most of my industry in building forts and infrastructure

[kind vale]

Forts are useless as finland

[fair horizon]

"equal"

[lost tide]

"useless"

[slim nexus]

hi

goodmorning

[kind vale]

They are

You have a tiny army

Forts are not going to help

When you have a tiny army and a big area to protect

[sharp ginkgo]

i feel like every time i try and use tanks (mediums ofc) i immediately doom myself to a complete deficit and i don't know why

[fair horizon]

forts are useless

[kind vale]

What template do you use?

[lost tide]

I am running on deficits to survive as finland

[fair horizon]

if you attack from 4 directions on a level 5 fort its -4 forts

[lost tide]

Granted the soviets suffered horrific casualties but still

[sharp ginkgo]

let me find the one i used in my last one i really used tanks in

[fair horizon]

forts are wasted ic 99% of the time

[kind vale]

Even so its pointless to waste ic on forts when you could build mils or anti air

[lost tide]

About the aa

I have two aa in Helsinki and that's it

[slim nexus]

I made a Magna Europe mod, should I send you screenshots?

[kind vale]

I only see them being useful if you're small and have a decent sized army

[fair horizon]

what about in your divs?

[lost tide]

I have support aa and field hospitals for all of my divs but yeah

[kind vale]

Should've made more aa instead of forts

[lost tide]

14w infantry with arti, engineering, field hospitals and aa

[fair horizon]

not even, every additional tile that attacks a fort tile removes a fort level

[sharp ginkgo]

something along these lines usually

[fair horizon]

level 3 fort being attacked from 3 sides? completely negated

[kind vale]

That thing is horrible

[sharp ginkgo]

LMFAO

[fair horizon]

extremely expensive

[sharp ginkgo]

tbf i didnt really touch it after 1944 cause i was just in such a deficit and fighting half the world that i couldnt do anything

[fair horizon]

at bare minimum get easy maintenance for the cost reducition

[prisma saddle]

guys di you think hoi5 will come out around 2028?

[kind vale]

No

3030

[fair horizon]

also if you change it to spg it gets more soft attack and loses a little breakthrough

like 50% more soft or some crap like that

[sharp ginkgo]

i don't see that in my modules

is that an MIO thing?

[fair horizon]

this drop down

[kind vale]

You need maintenance company 2

[sharp ginkgo]

oh that makes sense

[fair horizon]

oh wait my b you meant maint

[sharp ginkgo]

i dont think i have ever once researched maintenance companies LMAO

what are your templates usually like

[fair horizon]

3 man howitzer machine guns radio easy maintenance, choose w/e for the wheels, riveted, and gas engine

and then you just press as many armor clicks as you feel you can outproduce losses

[kind vale]

I usually use extra mgs for soft attack and since they're cheap

[fair horizon]

machine guns for secondaries are good because you dont need piercing in single player

[kind vale]

Yeah and its only 12ic for the template I use

[fair horizon]

id have to check mine but iirc its around 14? rn

[sharp ginkgo]

w/e?

[fair horizon]

machine guns as in secondary turrets

lemme load my save ill grab a picture

[sharp ginkgo]

also what div layout do you guys use

supports etc

[fair horizon]

depends on where im fighting and stuff but ill grab my current div

also yes its diesel i didnt plan on going amtracs tbh but its 1950 in this save lmao

[kind vale]

i usualy do 36 width with cav or mechanized with support aa, suport arty, flame tank, logisticts, and armored recon

[fair horizon]

if it was regular mechanized id replace the extra amtracs with more spgs tbh

[sharp ginkgo]

only 4km/h speed?

[lost tide]

If you aren't using amphibious tanks with armtracs they are pointless me thinks

[sharp ginkgo]

the advice I've always heard was match your speed to the motorised/mechanised

[fair horizon]

nah the bonuses make up for it and it crushes naval invasions

[kind vale]

speed isnt that important

[fair horizon]

they werent designed for the mechanized

and i was very lazy

[sharp ginkgo]

really? huh.

so much conflicting advice..

[fair horizon]

it can be important but tbh when you're doing enough damage it doesnt matter

[sharp ginkgo]

200 hours and I'm barely scratching the surface of this shit

[fair horizon]

tanks should crush anything they go up against

[kind vale]

Speed is important for ships just not that important for land

[fair horizon]

which means it will eventually get on tiles

[sharp ginkgo]

fair enough

[fair horizon]

not even for ships tbh

ships cant outrun planes

[kind vale]

Ive never had any of my ships sunk by planes

[fair horizon]

i do all my sinking with planes

[kind vale]

Just subs getting killed by them

[fair horizon]

carriermaxxing

[sharp ginkgo]

should i even be building tanks pre-1942 or whenever you unlock advanced or wtv?

if im not using mobile warfare at least

[kind vale]

From the start

[fair horizon]

id say asap if you plan on using them

[sharp ginkgo]

fair enough

[kind vale]

Iterwar tanks are plenty good enough to beat the ai

[fair horizon]

i mean i beat the ai with battleplanning marines/mountaineers

lots of brave south american commies died for it

like one push in germany cost 2m men

[kind vale]

Ah yes the commie losses

[fair horizon]

i felt like a ww1 general

like literally from munich to salzburg

[kind vale]

I got cannons 1 on my basic planes rn

[fair horizon]

2 million

this is why i hate australia

no plane mio

cant even kill them

[kind vale]

😭

[fair horizon]

oh also the america wins war = 0 world tension

[slim nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1319047269357584426/1356310718848172192/vidu-general-4-2025-02-20T23_13_40Z-ezgif_com-optimize.gif

[fair horizon]

kek

[slim nexus]

I LOVE THIS GIF

[sharp ginkgo]

DAMN

[kind vale]

Whats a good ic for bombers?

[gray cradle]

Verse 1 (original feel, then twist):
As I went walking that ribbon of highway
I saw above me that endless skyway
I saw below me that golden valley
This land was made for me, but not for you
Verse 2:
I've roamed and rambled and followed my footsteps
To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts
All around me a voice was sounding
This land was made for me, but not for you
Chorus (the big parody hook):
This land is your land? Nah, this land is my land
From California to the New York island
From the redwood forest to the Gulf Stream waters
If this land was my land, this land ain't your land
This land was made for me... but not for you
Verse 3 (add modern bite, optional):
As I went walking I saw a sign there
And that sign said "No Trespassing"
But on the other side it didn't say nothing
That side was made for me, but not for you
Bridge/Outro:
One bright sunny morning in the shadow of the steeple
By the relief office I saw my people
They were hungry, they were wondering
If this land was made for me... but not for you

[sharp ginkgo]

i dunno what country i should play.....

[cedar lance]

hello cairo

[sharp ginkgo]

hello markomrm24

[cedar lance]

you should try out either italy or germany

@sharp ginkgo

[sharp ginkgo]

safe to say i have tried germany

[cedar lance]

oh alr

[lost tide]

How....

[sharp ginkgo]

24+ hours straight of dopamine-fueled pain

[gray cradle]

Verse 1 (original feel, then twist):
As I went walking that ribbon of highway
I saw above me that endless skyway
I saw below me that golden valley
This land was made for me, but not for you
Verse 2:
I've roamed and rambled and followed my footsteps
To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts
All around me a voice was sounding
This land was made for me, but not for you
Chorus (the big parody hook):
This land is your land? Nah, this land is my land
From California to the New York island
From the redwood forest to the Gulf Stream waters
If this land was my land, this land ain't your land
This land was made for me... but not for you
Verse 3 (add modern bite, optional):
As I went walking I saw a sign there
And that sign said "No Trespassing"
But on the other side it didn't say nothing
That side was made for me, but not for you
Bridge/Outro:
One bright sunny morning in the shadow of the steeple
By the relief office I saw my people
They were hungry, they were wondering
If this land was made for me... but not for you

[cedar lance]

im a estonia player

since Im Estonian irl

[sharp ginkgo]

i played latvia and this was my game by 1940

estonia was the last to fall after the soviets

to fufill my claims

[cedar lance]

nice cairo

[gray cradle]

She even destroyed half my workstation before I raised my hand @cedar lance @sharp ginkgo

[sharp ginkgo]

oh man

[cedar lance]

alr

damn

im sorry

my last GF was crasy for me

[gray cradle]

We'll be back cool in like 2 days

[cedar lance]

alr

[sharp ginkgo]

I CAN'T DECIDE WHO TO PLAY :C

[cedar lance]

alr

[gray cradle]

And the best part is that normally after almost breaking up I can do anything I want

[cedar lance]

alr

[gray cradle]

@sharp ginkgo play as the Republic of the Rio grande

[cedar lance]

try usa or ussr

[gray cradle]

You have to spawn it in

[fair horizon]

australia

[gray cradle]

@fair horizon you mean the land of the kangaroos and giant spiders

The unholy land

[sharp ginkgo]

watch it bucko..

[sharp ginkgo]

WATCH IT

[gray cradle]

Where God put all of his worst creations

[sharp ginkgo]

WATCH. IT.

I'M RIGHT HERE

YOU'RE SO MEAN

[cedar lance]

calm down cairo

[sharp ginkgo]

-# i'm kidding

[gray cradle]

@sharp ginkgo you a furry protogen I can say much worse if I didn't have a Public image to maintain

[cedar lance]

oh alr

[sharp ginkgo]

LMFAOOOOO

[gray cradle]

I can open a whole dictionary on curse words and slurs that I can use on you

[cedar lance]

dont

do that

[sharp ginkgo]

dude i'm just a silly guy

hmm.. world conquest as egypt....

playing as myself

WHAT

[gray cradle]

@sharp ginkgo I just know you gay

[sharp ginkgo]

absolutely LOL

[cedar lance]

watta quack?

i remember playing 1 time as usa and 1 time as USSR

[sharp ginkgo]

i tried the ussr once and immediately got overwhelmed

there's so much going on in that country bro

[kind vale]

Not really

Mostly just waiting till 1941

[cedar lance]

i try to start wars as Estonia in 36

so im ready for ww2 in 39

[sharp ginkgo]

every other focus was gonna start a civil war i stg 😭

[kind vale]

Were you doing non historical?

[sharp ginkgo]

no

[kind vale]

Then how

Its impossible to have a civil war as the ussr when going historical

[maiden verge]

[ripe slate]

Doesnt it happen if paranoia rises to 100?

[kind vale]

No

Stalin just kills everyone

[sharp ginkgo]

i just dunno what the historical path IS

it was ages ago tbf

[kind vale]

The center

[sharp ginkgo]

before i really knew what i was doing

[kind vale]

The focus is called the center

Its the path on the left side

[sharp ginkgo]

ohhh yeah with all the purges and stuff

was just confusing and there were mechanics in the decision tab that i didn't know wtf i was doing with

stuff like that

[maiden verge]

Afaik you can actually fal into civil war if your paranoia reaches more than 90%

I dont think its always though

[kind vale]

Its hard to reach 90%

[fervent estuary]

What minor nations can unexpectedly get very strong very fast?

[kind vale]

Sweden

Austria

[fervent estuary]

All paths?

[kind vale]

Hungary

[kind vale]

I believe so

[fervent estuary]

What about Belgian Congo?

[kind vale]

Not fast

Belgium can tho

[fervent estuary]

Oh yeah belgica path is awesome

[kind vale]

Frr

Communist path with the rexist tree as well

[fervent estuary]

That’s possible?

[kind vale]

Socialist victory

That part of the path

[lost tide]

Should I increase my 14w to 20w pure infantry for the winter war as finland

My plan is to deploy jaegar divisions as my main offensive forces for pushing into murmansk and what not

I am playing rt56

Question: how do I increase the rate of weapons captured by my army from the soviets?

[winged field]

Maintanance companies

[lost tide]

Twin I lack maintenance companies but I have hospitals

[kind vale]

Then get them

[winged field]

One general trait gives u like 2 or 3 percent too

If you don't want to use your support slot

[lost tide]

Yeah I am using the jaegar veteran

Its good but still....

[worn cliff]

should i cancel mefo as germany and go on 4yp?

im wondering if its better as a long term decision

i always found P.E.G to be better for late war in line 40/41

[snow rain]

No

Unless you know EXACTLY how to do so for it to be worth it, which I doubt due to the fact you're asking about it,no offense

[maiden verge]

Not really

[snow rain]

Don't use that stat, it's never worth it except when focuses give it for free
Maintenance comp is the most useless of all companies

[worn cliff]

well consumer goods

4yp mefo only works in singleplayer

[silent moss]

I feel for thunder at our gates New Zealand should get something for them if Australia is getting something

Idk if it already mentioned it will I just read the description of the dlc that’s all

Reason also why I say this it ‘d be kind of cool having achievements for that country finally

[snow rain]

not at all

since most MP games end up being a rush for the allies to DDay to prevent soviets from dying, the game is always over by 1943 : either the allies manage to get a landing and kill the germans or the soviet die first adn the germans can prevent any landing

[worn cliff]

thats just because you play with bad people

[snow rain]

guh?

that has been the case since Arms against tyranny

[worn cliff]

eastern front lasts until 43+ always lol and normally allies dont dday before having suez and all of africa

[eternal palm]

What about comp lobbies then lol?

That's not for him personally

[eternal palm]

Okay, clearly never plays comp lol

[worn cliff]

i play and watch them it doesnt end in 41 lol

[eternal palm]

Barb ends in mid 42 if you're lucky

[eternal palm]

"watch*

Who?

I don't think anyone from rb is streaming

[snow rain]

because with the base game MIOs, german tanks far surpasses sov tanks, hungary and romanian mass mob hold the line, germany only produces planes and tanks. Soviet WILL die if allies don't land

[eternal palm]

Don't call tfb comp 💀

[worn cliff]

streams in vc

[eternal palm]

U aren't even in rb

[snow rain]

even with massive civ boost from the US soviets can never compete with 2 minors + german economy on mefo

[eternal palm]

What are you on about lmao

Point is: right side is meta

[worn cliff]

isnt the only comp server + im on my alt atm

[eternal palm]

Idk what your point is

[eternal palm]

Copium

Mhm

Sure bud

Lmao

[worn cliff]

lol ok let me ping my main

@valtharione

[eternal palm]

Sure

[worn cliff]

add it

[snow rain]

in vanilla, there is no balance at the moment, it's either allies land asap or allies lose

[eternal palm]

No?

[worn cliff]

and look at mutual servers

[eternal palm]

Cba

[worn cliff]

im in rb

[maiden verge]

🤔

[eternal palm]

No sent messages, no played games lol

Idk who u are tbh

If you'd look in the Germany guide in rb you'd see what I'm talking about

For you to be in rb and still say it's only good in sp is even crazier

[snow rain]

and RB uses HMM iirc ? that's a mod that balances the playing field, especially MIO wise

[eternal palm]

Ye it's their mod

[snow rain]

and even then sov cannot win against germany if everyone is competent enouh

[eternal palm]

Hmm is made by RB

[eternal palm]

The sov guide literally says you'll die in 14 months

Barb starts in June

So you'll be dead by August 42 against a reasonably competent Germany

Russia is just boned

They balanced Germany with a sledgehammer

[worn cliff]

if theres good italy allies never get to the suez

[eternal palm]

They prob saw ger AI die to Soviets too many times and thought hmmm it's definitely a stats issue clueless

[eternal palm]

Not true?

Like what are you on about

[worn cliff]

what? italy always gets africa

[eternal palm]

Getting Suez rarely depends on Italy. Even if Italy does its job, if Germany never comes to Africa Italy dies

[eternal palm]

Yea it does, but it depends on Germany most of the time

Also allies can win

It's just hard

[worn cliff]

no lol most of the time they lose in africa and if they do, no d-day

[eternal palm]

....

Actual ragebait

[worn cliff]

no

[eternal palm]

#941885119592009849 messagea. Get your main

Like, rb game archives just proves u wrong

Idk what ur on about

[abstract viper]

on mp with bittersteel we need 10 more 19205840483

[worn cliff]

Yall play msb right?

[snow rain]

I've never seen an italy do africa in vanilla
you just get raided into the shitter for 2 months while you die to naval invasions and push from allies

I believe that's why mods that want an actual africa campaign create a puppet in libya for the axis to get supply from

[eternal palm]

🤦‍♂️

I literally said it's hmm. If you'd bother to switch to your main, you'd know

Wdym u watched streams of ppl, u don't know shit lmao

Why u talking to me when u don't even know what I'm talking about

[worn cliff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1235598222110625842/1335780955864174682/attachment.gif

[ember vine]

https://tenor.com/view/hoi4-hearts-of-iron-4-looksmax-sigma-sigma-face-gif-232308269668432623

[cyan prairie]

HELLP w do i do in dis situation buh

[slim nexus]

Hold cuz it looks like u arent losing oand

Land

[hollow silo]

its 1945 all over again

[cyan prairie]

they even canon naval landed south of france

😔

i tried to hold the line before the rhine

it went kaka

[slim nexus]

Maybe kill north holland or something

[crude schooner]

??

[cyan prairie]

no tankes, no oil, no shet

[hollow silo]

whats the game year

[burnt hawk]

Gf

[cyan prairie]

43

[burnt hawk]

1935? 9

[cyan prairie]

after soviet invasion failed i just retreated to the warsaw line

which is holding up greatly

the WEST THO

is another story

[slim nexus]

Idk wets is all green

[burnt hawk]

Yu invade in yssr

[burnt hawk]

Fre yss

[cyan prairie]

hollandia

[burnt hawk]

Chez

[cyan prairie]

how do i push 30 divs in a small pocket

[burnt hawk]

Gauda

[eternal palm]

Concentrate tanks, get planning and push

I see u got tanks, use them for small encirclements

[cyan prairie]

imma try making an SS type tank div

maybe thatll help

when its pure no supply war soon

[burnt hawk]

Germe iny peaxeryll imepire

[spiral gorge]

china duplication XD

[eternal palm]

What does that even mean

The SS divs u get suck ass

[cyan prairie]

https://giphy.com/gifs/thousand-yard-stare-1000-shell-shock-oaXRLIMnkGBnuQOBzE

they broke through

i ONLY CHECKED THE EASTERN BORDER FOR 2 SECONDS

[slim nexus]

Wow how relatable everytime i try to encircle i somehow get countet encircle like 2/3 of the time

[burnt hawk]

Be ready to UK ships

Teror ge

[cyan prairie]

AND IT WAS AT an 80 BUBBLE BTW

WHAT IS THAT MEMING

[heavy vigil]

bubbles are fake

click battles

[slim nexus]

Hmm yes time to post this gif rifht after message of mod

[cyan prairie]

is not allowed for gifs?

[hollow silo]

how tf u failed its vanillia ai

[cyan prairie]

it wasnt historical also

and geniunely just skill issu

[woven dragon]

I am doing a Northeastern Army run for the achievement but I got stuck in Manchuria because they somehow have 45 divisions, so how can I beat them if my army has supply and is not over stretched

[cyan prairie]

should i just retreat all the way close to berlin

[inland falcon]

old world blues

[cyan prairie]

or try and hold on uhh

rhine

[ember vine]

Watch some edgy 12 year old endsieg edit it will give you +20 defense on core territory and +50 infantry attack

[hollow silo]

||restart||

[wild lantern]

hi guys

[meager roost]

yo

[cyan prairie]

am ich cookad mein freunden

ich bin cooked

sheiBe

[wild lantern]

play china bro

much better

[slim nexus]

Fr

[cyan prairie]

brodi

real last stand type shi

still in pain tho

[eternal palm]

Scheibenkleister.

Keine Kraftausdrücke hier!

[eternal palm]

Send screenshot?

[violet veldt]

Why is germany op 😭

[cyan prairie]

einschuldegung!

[eternal palm]

Machst wenigstens richtig

Either u speak German or u don't

I will not tolerate butchering

[cyan prairie]

i don speak it, am learning it

:>

i am dutch

[eternal palm]

Don't.

[cyan prairie]

i am forced to

[eternal palm]

I'm so sorry to hear that

[eternal palm]

Skill issue?

[cyan prairie]

the dutch learning system forces me to

[eternal palm]

Sorry I don't speak Japanese

[hollow silo]

real

[cyan prairie]

i speak belorussian

[eternal palm]

Smh

[vital cove]

you're lucky that this text is in Chinese then

[burnt hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/mussolini-gif-21669244

[eternal palm]

Characters look weird though

U sure?

Idk I'm illiterate

I play hoi

[vital cove]

might be arabic idk

[burnt hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/dekeskui-dekeskoui-gif-20086751

[cyan prairie]

man this is what i dream of

[slim nexus]

Brits: o blody hell its raining nazis

[cyan prairie]

general situation

NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN

[vital cove]

winnable

[cyan prairie]

i call it that in a few months im gonna get memed to hell

[quasi osprey]

I hope turkey doesnt come to invade me any time soon

[hollow silo]

send this to disaster save

[eternal palm]

I'd save this

Gib pls

[cyan prairie]

xd

hol on tho

realistically if i just wait and make them bleed to death i can just win

they keep force attacking

[vital cove]

uh

no

[cyan prairie]

y

[vital cove]

they're the entire world

[wild lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/jahouchinasupporttaiwan-gif-25756429

[vital cove]

against you

they outproduce you

and outproduce their losses

by a lot

[eternal palm]

No he can

I've saved worse

[eternal palm]

They will run out of manpower

The have more IC but AI can't use it that well

[cyan prairie]

usa vs ussr in the mean time so NO!

[eternal palm]

Gib save I can show u

[vital cove]

oh if allies at war with Soviets already then yea its doable

[eternal palm]

Is doable without it too

[cyan prairie]

holon if i cant save then ill send to you

[vital cove]

by just holding tho?

[quasi osprey]

this is probably the second smallest nation after luxemburg

[cyan prairie]

but imma see if my dookie hoi4 noob power can win this

[eternal palm]

No ofc not but u can bleed them to the point where u can retake stuff

[quasi osprey]

I love perfect supply

[cyan prairie]

soviets look hella weak

[vital cove]

Soviets always get cooked by allies at this point

[cyan prairie]

i think im dead

im slowly getting surrounded by the us

and the us is OP

well

in my standards

cuz they whoop my units

i need to spam reinforce

ye gg

🙁

imma just go lay down buh

im tired and sick

[violet veldt]

Are tanks goated?

Why does everyone use heavies

[cyan prairie]

tanks are steel boxes that infantry cant shoot through

ofcourse they are good

[wild lantern]

more hard attack

but i make light tanks

[violet veldt]

Thanks chiang kai-shek

[wild lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/jahouchinasupporttaiwan-gif-25756429

[quasi osprey]

aah producing 14 guns a day with 0 steel I love hoi4 industry

[shut sigil]

You've seen them in mp games because they give the most raw stats whilst mediums are the most cost efficient

[wild lantern]

playing civilian maybe

[crude schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1427922052081516555/1467426834529386640/togif.gif

[wild lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/mao-zedong-china-gif-20663734

[crude schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164170109816934435/1469017177364365514/togif.gif

[quasi osprey]

my whole army btw

this is one of the strangest flags I could find

[fervent wadi]

chat

why i cant get supply properly on luxemburg

i got everythin right

[quasi osprey]

[rare sand]

went fascist poland, the soviets decided to attack germany early

so like, what's my gameplan? can ai germany beat france if they're dealing with multiple fronts?

[violet veldt]

What country?

[quasi osprey]

Cyprus

[wary cosmos]

dude what...

[long spear]

https://tenor.com/view/jahouchinasupporttaiwan-gif-25756429

[restive sable]

mr worldwide

[vital cove]

he was a jewish austro hungarian. moved to tibet after ww1, in a part with a significant chinese population. then decided to become a spy :true:

[wary cosmos]

wtf

[vital cove]

the issue with that theory is his name

whats his last name its cut out

[wary cosmos]

Ignatius Timothy Trebitsch-Lincoln

fullname

[vital cove]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Trebitsch-Lincoln

well

its a real person

i got the first part right

[burnt hawk]

Zeig

[wary cosmos]

austro hungarian governor of chinese mandate of jewish people in tibet

[wide junco]

Guys
Why does peru have 2 million deaths
I literally haven’t even attacked yet this is just from repelling their attacks

[vital cove]

bro certainly has one of the resumes of all times

[worn cliff]

how tf do i scroll down

i cant even pick flamethrower tank

[sudden glade]

move the tank design window

[worn cliff]

ok ty

[spiral gorge]

turkey in china , but is japan have conquest all

niark niark

[kind vale]

Average alt history game

[maiden verge]

The guy was hungarian, of jewish descent, son of a moldovan father, became a naturalized british citizen, collaborated with the Nazis, met hitler after the 1923 putsch, became a buddhist monk in china, allied himself with the japanese empire, and attempted to become the dalai lama with the support of the germans and japanese while serving as double agent the whole time

Good lord

[kind vale]

A jewish nazi?

[maiden verge]

Yeah

[kind vale]

Interesting

[spiral gorge]

Oh wow, but it's fun to take back countries using your allies

[kind vale]

😭😭

[spiral gorge]

pov :

[maiden verge]

Glorious CC clique

[kind vale]

Is there a mod that ads more tank icons like what it shows up as

[spiral gorge]

realy , they have 66 troop but they litle allie have 265 troop

usa whant to attaque this

[kind vale]

Watch them beat Germany and japan😭

[kind vale]

The Americans got this trust

[spiral gorge]

500 + 270 + 100 vs 400

[spiral gorge]

[kind vale]

But the marines

The crayon eaters

[spiral gorge]

• 300 in axis

[kind vale]

Ew the brit

British

Disgusting

Nuke them

[strong umbra]

wow

racial prejudice innit?

[spiral gorge]

y whant nuke

[strong umbra]

still

you do have an air force right?

[maiden verge]

Myanmar and Bangladesh in US faction because why not

[strong umbra]

right?

[kind vale]

Because they colonized Africa

And india

[strong umbra]

and your air force is better than the british right?

[spiral gorge]

thas is a real ww2

[kind vale]

The British airforce is built with my planes

[spiral gorge]

yeah

[kind vale]

Biggest mistake the British made was colonizing Africa and india

[spiral gorge]

british wars with india

[kind vale]

[ember vine]

I always look at those small countries with 10 times more non core states and I wonder how tf they still got supplies and manpower

How tf are yall doing this

[strong umbra]

are in factions with britain>

or just licenses?

[spiral gorge]

m'y man power

[kind vale]

Nato

[strong umbra]

wow

[kind vale]

USA

[strong umbra]

i feel disrespected here

[kind vale]

1st 2nd 4th and 5th largest airforces

[maiden verge]

Annex tibet

[kind vale]

Good

[strong umbra]

as a jewish person i am denying this claim

[spiral gorge]

y have the wars goal but dont have the troup for thas

[kind vale]

Do not deny the truth

[quasi osprey]

Which country are you

[kind vale]

Or I will spray you with holy water

[spiral gorge]

turkey

[strong umbra]

<@&846894118219022336>

[kind vale]

💀

[quasi osprey]

I got more manpower than that as Cyprus

[strong umbra]

very blatant racism

[kind vale]

How💀

[strong umbra]

broski

[spiral gorge]

but y have china , why y dont have man power T-T

[strong umbra]

read it urself

[kind vale]

For hating on the British?

Well on something they did

[spiral gorge]

30$ for a dlc but dont have man power

[strong umbra]

no for saying that thingy that was a myth made by the jewish

[maiden verge]

What is your casualties?

[strong umbra]

.

this

[kind vale]

Thats insane

[strong umbra]

i find this disrespectful

and what do u do?

[strong umbra]

say good4u

[kind vale]

Ah yes Hungary is a major

[strong umbra]

wdym

[spiral gorge]

[strong umbra]

hungary is a major

[ember vine]

I find constantly calling people out because of a small joke that doesn't cause any bloodshed a suspicious activity

[spiral gorge]

wtf wars

[strong umbra]

ok mister nepali super heavy tank division

[spiral gorge]

why australia is a major country*

[kind vale]

People have just became super soft and offended by everything

[kind vale]

Because its God's playground

[maiden verge]

If you hide germany, you could say it was a war from 1400s

[kind vale]

Its earth's version of hell

[spiral gorge]

[ember vine]

But they can offend my russian friends because of a stupid war that they have no effect on

[kind vale]

Why would you want gods playground

[quasi osprey]

Does anyone know a flag stranger than this in hoi4?

[spiral gorge]

[kind vale]

Just ignore it, its best not to argue with them

[maiden verge]

Its not really the worst/weird flag

Its normal for standards

[spiral gorge]

because I like to suffer

[quasi osprey]

Not the worst its pretty cool but pretty strange

[ember vine]

If we can joke about germans, russians, poles, czechs, austrians, literally anybody but not another small percentage of the population then whats the point

[kind vale]

Average medieval flag

[ember vine]

I make fun of czechs that they got no access to sea

I make fun of my country for saying kurwa all the time

[kind vale]

😂

[ember vine]

I make fun of russians for "my comrade, you need no tank, you are tank"

[uncut pollen]

This is not the place for this

[kind vale]

😭

[quasi osprey]

Do u know which country has it?

[kind vale]

Nope

[quasi osprey]

Fascist cyprus

[spiral gorge]

czech what to build litle entente but they all menber ( exeptet poland ) join axis

[ember vine]

I make fun of germans for still having corporations that used to be you know whose and they did shit to stop that but blame some jokes about these guys

[ember vine]

Czech when Poles laugh at their goofy ahh language:

Sralinková Ganiačka

[spiral gorge]

And to think that we defeated the USSR before Poland and that the Czechs still said no to the Germans even though we controlled a third of the land

[quasi osprey]

It's quite sad u can only play it with the console command and a small mod allowing to release any country

[ember vine]

I conquered half of Europe with Lithuania by 1939

[spiral gorge]

me in 1938 with german and japan

[ember vine]

Germanese Japaneseese

https://tenor.com/view/01-gif-23830650

[spiral gorge]

actuali german and japan

[ember vine]

Germany, Italy and Japan day 1 trying not to f00k up borders in Europe:

[kind vale]

Ima form rome and put the pope as supreme leader of the world

[ember vine]

Put John Paul II

[spiral gorge]

german dans like itlia

[kind vale]

No

[ember vine]

Ikik he wasnt a pope yet

[pine finch]

whats a good defensive div

*offensive

[kind vale]

Gotta get the trash outta Italy

[kind vale]

Big infantry divisions

[ember vine]

Knock em out and take over the globe

[kind vale]

With large unit tactics

[pine finch]

germany does the work, italy magicaly gets uk raj and canada

[spiral gorge]

I use it, it's very effective but the equipment is very, very expensive.

[pine finch]

im going to play ussr historical accurate so just spam divs?

[kind vale]

Get large unit tactics for the lower infantry combat width and put as many infantry as you can till it hits around 36 width into a division

[ember vine]

I can see the -10Ks while fighting the smallest ahh country

[kind vale]

And that'll work

[pine finch]

should i add some arty?

[spiral gorge]

The tank has good stats, but the deficit doesn't help.

[kind vale]

Nope

[ember vine]

I wanna form turan so bad rn

[kind vale]

As a support company but not line

[pine finch]

thats a lot of soft attack

[quasi osprey]

Cypriot empire helping turkish empire to overthrow turkey

[spiral gorge]

yeah , for wars this china is very good

[maiden verge]

After the war, destroy Japan

[vital cove]

uh

the tanks don't have good stats

[spiral gorge]

bruh y am democrate bur y have all of china

[vital cove]

if there are no tanks in them

its also pretty mid stats for tanks anyways

[quasi osprey]

Huh

[vital cove]

500 soft atk is low

[quasi osprey]

What china

[pine finch]

thanks for your help

[spiral gorge]

bro the axis is the all of asia , europ and africa , y am in the midl

[pine finch]

@spiral gorge thanks

[spiral gorge]

thas is m'y blitz div

[vital cove]

36 width of infantry
if you wanna go tanks, then 36/38 width, 10 mech/cavalry 9 SPGS

[vital cove]

yeah this is bad

motorized is bad, line artillery is also bad

[spiral gorge]

[vital cove]

27w also bad

[kind vale]

Line artillery is good if you use the sub doctrine that buffs it

[vital cove]

its still not good

there are better options

[pine finch]

guys is it possible to see your acchievments in the game itself

[burnt hawk]

🛫

[vital cove]

yes

[quasi osprey]

Wdym I have china🤔

[burnt hawk]

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[pine finch]

i think tanks is not very good for ussr right?

[vital cove]

its fine if you want it