hoi4-general

[green lodge]

Hard is only good in mp

Ai can't build good tanks afaik

[rustic ridge]

Idk now i am not playing now so idk parameters

[rustic ridge]

Breaktrough in infantry is almost 100

Panzer ~107

I was having fun with modernizarion and resupply my infantry and panzer div

Is this bad?

[green lodge]

OOF

Uh no idea 🥀

[prisma zealot]

unpopualr opinion

TaoG will be at 5€

[static creek]

is their a way to play hoi4 italy with only calvary?

[strange stratus]

PLEASE FIX THIS PORTUGAL DECLARING WAR ON JAPANNNN ITS SO ANNOYING

[analog ivy]

somehow my GDP is now getting really close to china's

i love this mod its a 10x more fun alt hist millenium dawn

[green lodge]

Just toke over Russia atp

Why is 936B over 2T

[ripe slate]

is it from Japanese content about Macau and Timor?

[ripe slate]

absolutely

to start, you naval invade the cavalry onto the French western coast from Germany I imagine

[strange stratus]

I got macau years ago not protucal join axis and declare war on me (japan)

[analog ivy]

idk prob a glitch

oh there we go its fixed

russia is democratic now

also i can't take over russia cause i can't justify wargoals in tfr

and the european war is scripted

[green lodge]

Bruh

[analog ivy]

its alr tho theres gonna be another war with russia

theres two european wars

[green lodge]

Ayy

[static creek]

Are you a dev of 56?

When will a road to 76 will happen?

[ripe slate]

Yes

[ripe slate]

Im working on a cold war start date but the game doesnt run well enough for it to be fun, so I end up mostly using it for inspiration

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/567686141881352202/1202961197561946162/image.png?ex=697ab0ab&is=69795f2b&hm=086123f3254fa818b2932dca90341631c81079db4b8f60f56c1c66e2e9c6ee50&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=963&height=357

[static creek]

not to mention I'll be able to save quite alot of man power and equipment if I just have small width calvary, and go with bandits warfare focus perk

[tawdry nebula]

One question guys.

Yesterday in my Japan run I declared war at Japan in Late 1938 it was a bit late or it's still fine?

[mild plaza]

Thats fine (also use naval invasions)

[tawdry nebula]

Yeah I will do it in Shanghai.

And thanks.

[limpid field]

0.1% of the soviet union army encircled

[analog ivy]

is it joever?

[tawdry nebula]

Ja.

[azure walrus]

they accepted

😠

[snow rain]

you may want to delete these subs and air, they take manpower you need in the ground forces by the looks of it

[azure walrus]

ah

but how will I cas the lithuanians/estonians into oblivion when I eventually betray tehm

[snow rain]

do you have CAS ?

[azure walrus]

i can build it

[snow rain]

don't

you can just run around lithuania army
or keep 1 div on each tile except where you want to break through where you mass up everything else

[azure walrus]

well poland is also going wettynowie

so I need to stand up to them somehow

[snow rain]

each plane lost is 7 manpower down the drain

[azure walrus]

will this strategy work for poland?

[snow rain]

probably not, but I don't see why you'd even fight them

[snow rain]

in any case, you don't have manpower or industry or resources to build an airforce

[azure walrus]

mr commonwealth is in charge

[snow rain]

was gonna say they'll die to germany but since those went ahist idk

[azure walrus]

and I made a faction with lithuania (and estonia)

so when can I make an airforce

[analog ivy]

we lost the war

[azure walrus]

due to the polish threat I think I may need an airforce, no?

[snow rain]

you. can't. afford. it

not in manpower, not in resources nor in industrial capacity

it'll be only wasted

[azure walrus]

i see

so what do i do with my 12 fighter

throw out

?

and should i dissolve the navy as well

yeah, poland did indeed get crushed by germany

[analog ivy]

TFR AI is so damn good

[azure walrus]

but only bc czechoslovakia went submissive fascist

[analog ivy]

its doing crazy naval invasions and encirclements

as if its like a player

and goes crazy on air

[brave haven]

Admin

I want the focus tree of Kurdistan to be updated.

It's not enough; why are things happening in Iraq passing into Kurdistan?

[ripe slate]

@brave havenDont ping PDX staff for random things like that

[azure walrus]

???
it gives me basic medium tankss but gives a subsidy for light tanks?

[analog ivy]

sad lol

i lost the war but i'm still the top economic power

[brave haven]

So who am I going to talk to?

[analog ivy]

im a russian puppet but russia is still 7th in gdp lol

[tawdry nebula]

What mod is that?

[analog ivy]

TFR

the fire rises

its so good

im not even mad that i lost the war, it was a cool ending to the campaign

theres like 500 more endings that could happen

[night field]

the axis is so bad in single player bro

[woven dragon]

Hello

[analog ivy]

i haven't even played russia yet

[tawdry nebula]

Thanks Vengie.

[covert bear]

world tension goes up too fast and i cant declare war on belgium without the uk & france joining the war, what can i do?

[woven dragon]

What country and what year???

[covert bear]

lux and im trying to declare near the end of 1938

[woven dragon]

I was expecting Germany or the Netherlands but not Luxembourg

[covert bear]

is there anything i can do tho?

[vital cove]

how open are you to cheese

[analog ivy]

also, theres 3 european wars. don't give up as soon as you lose a war in europe, because you could win the next one. the game doesn't just end. and america has a civil war with like 20 countries that all have different focuses and outcomes for when you win the civil war

[covert bear]

wdym

[azure walrus]

germany butchered poland and liberated this ukrainian state, should I send some spies and boost nonaligned support to make myself a stronger ally

[covert bear]

oh aslong as im not using cheats 100% i thought u where asking a stupid question lol

like my whole run is a cheese i paradrop netherlands & france

[vital cove]

what I'd do is research transport planes ajd paratroopers at the start of the game, flip commie asap, justify on Lebanon, then you declare and Belgium also guarantee france and they'll join the war. you have paradrop order ready beforehand and paradrop all the important french vps and they cap immediately, then paradrop belgium as well

[brave haven]

Hi

[vital cove]

justifying on Lebanon will not create WT so there won't be a guarantee

[tawdry nebula]

@analog ivy It's this one? The first that appear when searching it.

[vital cove]

so the uk will stay out

[brave haven]

Bro

[vital cove]

hi

[brave haven]

Listen me

[analog ivy]

yep, also get the music mod if you wanna listen to the music

[brave haven]

The Kurdistan focus tree is incomplete.

[covert bear]

my method rn is to get NL via para drop then go for belgium but im using germanys strength to help me

[brave haven]

I've told the authorities about this, but they're not interested.

[covert bear]

what does justifying on lebanon do?

[tawdry nebula]

Already done and thanks.

[brave haven]

Listen mee

[vital cove]

its a puppet of France
so you get france and Belgium in the war, without creating wt

[covert bear]

i called the cops cause my fridge broke once and they did nothing

[brave haven]

Not funny

[azure walrus]

afghanistan thinks im strong 🥹

[covert bear]

oh but wont they both just destroy me at the same time?

[covert bear]

im serious

[brave haven]

Don't accept

[vital cove]

no france have disjointed government they just insta cap lmao

[azure walrus]

too late

[brave haven]

Why did you say that?

[vital cove]

you make like 8 2w paratroopers

and drop all the important vps

and its over immediately

[covert bear]

mine are 1w

[vital cove]

can't be 1w

[covert bear]

wait so do i go facist or com

[brave haven]

Play Kurdistan

[covert bear]

why

[vital cove]

2w is one battalion

[covert bear]

ohh

mb

[azure walrus]

nah im good

[brave haven]

What are you playing?

[azure walrus]

latvia

[brave haven]

Tough

[vital cove]

commie give you weekly manpower via the national spirit and army spirit. can be better than fascist. you can't join the Germans then but you can join the Comintern and with having the Benelux and france and the ussr from the back you can try holding against Germany

[covert bear]

yeah but cant i just go facist then civil war cheese it

[brave haven]

Answer my question.

[covert bear]

because i thought u wanted to know?

[vital cove]

you can't have a civil war without taking another territory first
but you can't take territory without already being fascist

[cedar lance]

hey yalls its my Bday today im 25 now today

[brave haven]

Did I say something wrong?

[covert bear]

i get my cores then france then i go civil war kill the uk cause why not then join the comintern and go to war the germany, using my intellegance i strategically destroy them and then kill china while im at it

[covert bear]

yes i hate u

[cedar lance]

hey someone wish me a happy BDAY

[brave haven]

Whyy

[vital cove]

what do you gain from doing a civil war

[covert bear]

i get to go facist first

and civil wars are piss easy

[vital cove]

yeah but way when you can flip peacefully

[covert bear]

when do i justify on leb like after netherlands?

[covert bear]

its faster by like 30 days

[vital cove]

yeah

probably

[covert bear]

then what about belgium

i dont have allat pp

[vital cove]

they guarantee france

so they'll join

[covert bear]

no

they get rid of it

1938

[vital cove]

you declare before that

hmm actually will need to see if its possible to get it in time

while getting the Netherlands

[tawdry nebula]

Happy Birthday.

[covert bear]

ok ill try now give me like an hour

[cedar lance]

aw thx m8

im now 25 today

[covert bear]

message me so i dont lose you

[brave haven]

Napıyon yahya

Turkish?

[azure walrus]

wt over 60%, kicked lithuania and justifying on them first

[ripe slate]

Forums got a suggestion section

[brave haven]

I'm Kurd

The Arabs betrayed us in Syria!

[vital cove]

when does the truce end

[azure walrus]

Less than 115 days

Which is the time it takes me to justify

[brave haven]

Der zor?

You didn't betray QSD, did you?

The Kurdish people gave you weapons, they gave you peace, they brought brotherhood, but you went and made a deal with ISIS and betrayed us.

[knotty vortex]

how are militia different to infantry?

cause commy china seems to have a lot of buffs in favour of militia

through Mao Zedong

[snow rain]

they cost less, train faster but have very limited breakthrough, less atk and, I blieve, less org and recovery rate

[knotty vortex]

oh right

i wonder if the buffs end up making them better than inf

cause they get a whole subdoctrine

and theyre boosted by some focuses

cause you can use guerilla warfare against the japanese

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[mental mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1356009383754207562/1391132833711390720/BURN_DOWN_STOCKHOLM.gif

delted my ironman file

[prisma saddle]

what is the best template in for make a fronte holder for the soviets

[snow rain]

9 inf, support arty and aa
everything else goes into air or tanks
don't forget to rush guns 2, you must have them by late 1938

[cedar lance]

hello franci

[prisma saddle]

oh okay

and logistica and engineers?

or also field hospital

[snow rain]

no, engineers are ok but they're costly

FH are a waste

[ripe slate]

I thought FH is the meta because of doctrine?

[prisma saddle]

why?

[snow rain]

not in singleplayer, not on soviet inf

[snow rain]

cost a lot for no reason to use on meatwall divs

sov has manpower to spare and losing 10% more guns isn't gonna affect anything in combat for sov

[prisma saddle]

oh I mean me as germany vs soviet union

[snow rain]

then no point either

that inf will just hold

[south mountain]

What DLCs did they gave for free??

[snow rain]

you mean recently or ever ?

[prisma saddle]

man the guns

[eternal palm]

In small inf* good in large inf

[eternal palm]

Like 3 months ago

[prisma saddle]

yea

[south mountain]

Oh

[prisma saddle]

understood

[snow rain]

even in large inf, neither germany or sov can afford it, it's not required and it's too costly for what it does (well, they can but they would sacrifice a lot to get it for little gain)

it's good for minors or manpower-limited countries in singleplayer or mass mob/holders/SF build in MP

[eternal palm]

How? Fh basically makes you grind veterancy super fast

That's good no

The hp is also good, you take less losses

[snow rain]

yes, but it's basically useless on divs that won't attack 90% of the time and have little stats

[eternal palm]

Like, fh is so broken that hmm straight up bans it beyond lvl 1

[snow rain]

big deal when you're sitting on millions of manpower and 150guns a day

[eternal palm]

As I said, it's bad small inf. If you're battleplanning with large inf it's really good

[eternal palm]

It's just there for efficiency

Like it's not bad

[snow rain]

true, I was assuming they were gonna build tanks

[eternal palm]

And that's the only scenario I ever meant it, reading is hard

[ripe slate]

Together for Victory, Death or Dishonor and Waking the Tiger

And then more recently MtG

[snow rain]

you just said large inf though ? That doesn't mean no tanks does it ?

[eternal palm]

What?

Nope

[mental mantle]

Always put FH just to give mercy to your soldiers

[covert bear]

why does the uk AND france guarentee blegium now, why not just the uk?

[eternal palm]

Because the UK guaranteed Belgium back in 1830 and that treaty has not been rescinded since then

It even held after the first World war

And France does because they were new treaties created after 1919

[knotty vortex]

how do i beat japan lol

[eternal palm]

Nothing

You got everything you wanted

[mental mantle]

Idk maybe nothing

[eternal palm]

Now research everything you didnt

[mental mantle]

No u Shouldn

Because itll take too long

[eternal palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/928390486044074044/1450162078076895242/gwkking-sticker.gif

[covert bear]

bro 😭

i dont give a shit

im talking about in game

not irl

[snow rain]

start by holding supply hubs

[eternal palm]

U literally asked lmao+

[snow rain]

don't give them for free

[eternal palm]

No that's literally the reason it does in game

What else do you want me to say

In game they just start like that

[covert bear]

it use to not

[eternal palm]

Yea it does since gtd

It's been here for a year now

Do yall have dementia

[knotty vortex]

i have 24 militia units now, reckon i can hold the entirety of my frontline rather than just a fallback on some mountains?

[eternal palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/928390486044074044/1450162078076895242/gwkking-sticker.gif

[snow rain]

you can't, but you need to hold supply hubs, holding mounain is great, but an enemy out of supply won't be able to push a meter in 1 well supplied div

adress your logistics too

[eternal palm]

Don't waste your breath on this guy, he's special and illiterate

[snow rain]

build armored trains

[knotty vortex]

holy

[snow rain]

chill out already

[knotty vortex]

i did not realise the state of chinas supplys

this is a change from europe lol

[eternal palm]

I'm trying to help you

But sure go ahead

[snow rain]

that's because you don't have any trains, of course everything's gonna look red to you

[knotty vortex]

ah yeah my logi says i need trains now

okay well thats problem #1

[snow rain]

build armored trains, not regulars, they'll get bombed

[knotty vortex]

i mean i dont even have normal trains yet

so we might be a while

i just assume i need to hold the mountains until then

[snow rain]

can't hold when outnumbered when you cannot supply your own troops now can you

all that under enemy air

[covert bear]

i havent played for a year

how old are u bro

[knotty vortex]

so basically; im cooked

well worst comes to worst ill start over, get my inf equipment then trains

[snow rain]

no, you gotta adapt

[knotty vortex]

okay, what should my plan be then

[snow rain]

if it comes down to it, you can hold your starting core
but I'm pretty sure that if china caps, you cap too
so I'd say buy time, hold hubs

[knotty vortex]

okay, i might need to advance my fallback line then

since a supply hub is just infront

i should move my line up that?

[vagrant orbit]

Gotta love getting 1984'd from the TGWR Discord for having an opposing opinion.

Literally only said the mod is slightly boring sometimes and that was enough.

[snow rain]

DON'T BUILD MORE HUBS
wth

[knotty vortex]

my bad

[covert bear]

whats wrong with germany i join their faction and i cant see their troops

why do they hate me

[green lodge]

MEFO bills

-25% army info

[snow rain]

click on this if it's enabled

[covert bear]

ty sir

[coral gorge]

dirt

[snow rain]

how is it so cheap ?

[covert bear]

genuinely how

[pseudo raven]

Mods ig

[coral gorge]

this is the real dirt

its Kaiserreich

well, only Belgian tanks can be so cheap in this mod anyway

[snow rain]

make the armor riveted plz

less cost

[knotty vortex]

time to get guerillas behind enemy lines 😈

[coral gorge]

did you actually look at the cost? 👠

that isn't welded

cuz in KR they have makeshift armor

-30% cost

[snow rain]

yes, I need less

[night field]

i genuinely hate the germans as allies

they are worse than italy

cant properly do anything

[night field]

only thing they are great at is suicide charging at the ussr until they die

[iron iron]

?

For me German ai

Is amazing

Always helps

Eats ussr

[night field]

they lost 20 million men in against the allies and ussr

[iron iron]

Italy is so bad as Allie

[iron iron]

Never ever happened to me

Only Italy sucks for me

[night field]

i guess i had a unlucky run

[slim idol]

I don't think I've ever had a game where historical Germany lost to the soviets

[night field]

20 bazillion naval invasions was the worst part

the ussr died in 45

but the germans kept ramming against allied lines in italy

[covert bear]

what date does france join the allies

[stark pebble]

my best start w germany by far

[tawdry nebula]

That's not a stug.

But a Jagdpanzer E-25.

[knotty vortex]

why do i get decisions like this?

am i betraying my allies to make my self stronger?

[late wharf]

Yup

[knotty vortex]

is this historical lol, chinese ww2 history is beyond me

[ripe slate]

Yes it is

[knotty vortex]

what do i do about this lol

kinda nervous

[ripe slate]

Though its a bit more complicated than that, Chang wasnt exactly a cool guy either

[knotty vortex]

i capitulate if they do right?

[ripe slate]

I think

[knotty vortex]

well thats not particularly great

what do i do

panic button pressed

[covert bear]

how do i make the uk not call france into a war?

[deft zenith]

as wich contry ?

[molten forge]

anyone willing to host (if yall have like any good dlcs)?

[heavy vigil]

i see the vision with naval blockades

[molten forge]

holy pain in the ass

[azure dagger]

October 1937 I think

[heavy vigil]

dw im doing that to ai

[molten forge]

alr, btw do you mind to host once if its ok

[heavy vigil]

wdym

[molten forge]

if you can host a mp game me a homie and you

[late wharf]

You'd be best off asking in the multiplayer section of this Discord, #1239926537512292362 🙏

[molten forge]

alr, i have higher chances of a dlc spawning in my acc but thanks

[late wharf]

... Okay! 👍

[knotty vortex]

i love these numbers

[sudden thistle]

No

Just no

[sudden thistle]

I think that was an actual issue one day

Some people got dlc randomly

[molten forge]

they were magicians

gotta hire em

[molten forge]

btw is it possible to win with just mechanical infantry?

[sudden thistle]

Ye

U can win with anything

Ai is bad

[safe wing]

this a good basic infantry template?

[cosmic spoke]

hi

[tawdry nebula]

Hello.

[cosmic spoke]

im losing against poland

idk whats happening theres so many random orders

[knotty vortex]

should i try push the japanese?

what the HELL is that

japanese puppet?

border gore is insane

[safe wing]

pulled this off

[undone dove]

guys

game doesnt let me declare

its 39

im germany

[tawdry nebula]

You need more World Tension.

[undone dove]

fascists dont need world tension

[ripe slate]

did a faction member maybe sabotage your faction rules?

[undone dove]

i made a new one

ah makes sense then

[tawdry nebula]

Mein got.

That's why.

[ripe slate]

Vanilla also broke world tension

[undone dove]

thanks

[ripe slate]

Np sigma

[knotty vortex]

these genuinely suck

they go down a level as soon as im about to hit 3

not cool warlords not cool

[tawdry nebula]

You think I can make an Encirclemente on some of the Chinese Division near the green defensive 86 marijn211?

As I'm trying to make Chinese division less powerfull and go on the defense.

[knotty vortex]

i despise you

trying to crush communism

[tawdry nebula]

I just started.

As I am 1 year late.

As I was training some new division.

[quasi osprey]

is this a good encirclement by lithuania

[tawdry nebula]

Yeah it is.

I hope the invasion of Soviet Union would go well when I do it.

[languid patrol]

good marine div?

[steel zephyr]

new day new latvia game 🤤

since friday I've been playing nothing but latvia

[tawdry nebula]

Good luck.

[languid patrol]

plz

[tawdry nebula]

For what nation?

[languid patrol]

sov

post ww2

[tawdry nebula]

Uh, I don't know.

[steel zephyr]

my last latvia game, 5-year and ongoing war with soviets without being in a faction, still standing

[languid patrol]

😎

[tawdry nebula]

Nice.

I'm currently playing as Japan.

https://tenor.com/view/ijn-yamto-gif-27132471

Just for know guys.

For France in game how worth is to Extend the Maginot line? I mean not only to the English Channel, but I mean from Dunkerque to the Italian border?

[snow rain]

it's not worth anything

[tawdry nebula]

Why?

[snow rain]

mainly because these tiles are plains + forts get destroyed + fort cost stacks up to ridiculous amounts that are resources better used in tanks/planes/mech

[restive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-if-you-love-brock-lesnar-scream-brock-lesnar-latvia-scream-gif-9279106263805614209

[tawdry nebula]

Also if they are built at max? Like 4/4 plus Pillbox?

[snow rain]

a lvl 10 fort is
500 + 1000 + 1500 + 2000 + 2500 + 3000 + 3500 + 4000 + 4500 + 5000 ic
that's 27.5k ic, equivalent to more than 2 civs, or 3.5 mils

[snow rain]

still no

[frank parcel]

Not along time to wait

[snow rain]

if you don' have enough static AA, or air you won't be able to prevent them from being destroyed
if you invest that much into forts, it's gonna come at the cost of lack of frontline troops

the only arguable fort use outside of spawn-ins from focuses are lvl 2 forts just for the defense bonus you get from engineer company

[eternal palm]

Cologne Cathedral looking ass

[urban flower]

Hey Franc can you tell me more about your individual excellence SHH build?

I'm playing Tannu Tuva and wanna get Siberian tiger achievement

[slim nexus]

Preparing for finno korean hyperwar

[snow rain]

and even then, those forts are built on the amiens-sedan line, following river and forests, dunkerke, calais and lille are better left undefended as a future trap for easy encirclements

[snow rain]

ngl, I doubt it'll be useful to such a playthrough

[eternal palm]

U go excellence, go logi, get shh

What about it

[snow rain]

it requires manpower to stack up on HP

[urban flower]

You can hold Italy border without forts

And if you fortify the belgian maginot you should only do it behind the river and give of Lille etc

[urban flower]

What other choice do i have lol

tanks?

[eternal palm]

Small inf?

[snow rain]

crappy units with armor meme in them

[eternal palm]

Desperate defense, people's milita

[eternal palm]

Armor meme does nothing

AI does support at

And goes anti tank frontline

[urban flower]

is that even worth it lol

[eternal palm]

U asked for options

[urban flower]

like i have 88k conscriptable core pop

[tawdry nebula]

I see and thanks.

[urban flower]

even with 100% conscruption law that's only 88k

[snow rain]

last time I played funny finland spacemarine which was about a month ago, Sov couldn't pierce the medium armor meme I had, in 1941

[eternal palm]

Mmmm

Imagine fighting sov in 41

[snow rain]

maybe germany has better AT ?

[eternal palm]

Why didnt you finish in 40 smh

[snow rain]

killed the other nordics first, didn't do winter war

[eternal palm]

Smh

[tawdry nebula]

Just for know.

[eternal palm]

Eh not a fan

Mostly waste of IC

[tawdry nebula]

You guys suggest to play as France? Or more try?

[eternal palm]

Sure it works

But a lot of things do

Doesn't mean they're good

[late wharf]

This might open a whole can of worms, but what's your usual infantry template, folks? 👀

[eternal palm]

Sure

[snow rain]

killed the soviets with 90k casualities bruh

[eternal palm]

Any of these

[eternal palm]

Well damm

Not a fan

Did u use fh too?

[late wharf]

Those look beefy as hell 🤣

[eternal palm]

HP my beloved

[snow rain]

yes, and logi with the hp buff from individual excellence

[eternal palm]

Hmmmmm

[late wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-nod-agree-proud-jeremiah-johnson-gif-13827796

[snow rain]

had like 600hp
and rushed the fh techs so I got around 50% trickleback

[eternal palm]

[snow rain]

it was plain stupid

[eternal palm]

Yes!

Get to around 1k HP you literally take 0 damage

It's so funny

[tawdry nebula]

Thanks.

[eternal palm]

Not possible in vanilla sadly

[urban flower]

afaik for defense the other doctrines are better if you dont have militia and the portrait plus focus give 900 weekly pop

[tawdry nebula]

Tbh guys.

[urban flower]

thats 50k manpower per year

more than you'll get from recruitable pop in tannu tuva

[snow rain]

best I got in vanilla was a mp game where I went for funny 710hp amtracks as canada. That was my record

[tawdry nebula]

Many years ago in one of my German runs I had breached the Maginot Line instead of passing throught the Ardennes.

[eternal palm]

I mean yea, but that one gives u Guerilla tactics and you still can pick smth else in operations

[eternal palm]

Been there done that

Fort attack is everywhere

[snow rain]

yeah, it's easy enough

especially since you have fort buster generals

[tawdry nebula]

Yeah.

[snow rain]

Magi-no experience

[urban flower]

isn't backhand blow better for small pop nations or no?

[tawdry nebula]

If the casualities I had where very high.

[eternal palm]

If you have it, sure it's better

Do u get it from smth? I saw it can't remember where though

Backhand blow is better just in general too

Act no nvm

Meant tactical withdrawal

That one is better

[sharp yarrow]

Hello

[eternal palm]

Backhand blow is meh

[sharp yarrow]

I have one question

What country can get nukes before 1942

Hidden paths included

[eternal palm]

Difference isn't big. Guerilla or tactical withdrawal is better

Turkey and Greece makes sense

They start with that

Slovenia is weird

[eternal palm]

USA

[snow rain]

czecks lose theirs from munich conference if allies accept it

[restive sable]

maybe it's a puppet of yugo?

idrk

[urban flower]

isnt tactical withdrawal hard to trigger tho?

[sharp yarrow]

Before 1942?

[tawdry nebula]

But yeah for the rest in my current Japan run I hope I can win pretty quickly against China.

[eternal palm]

That's the problem with it

Hence Guerilla is best usually

[tawdry nebula]

And hope to maybe make it in a 3 Front War.

[urban flower]

so then tact withdrawal is dog shit and i should go backhand no?

[eternal palm]

No Guerilla is still best

Backhand blow is like, fine

[tawdry nebula]

Also one question guys.

It happened while I was building ships for my IJN, but should I worry for this as it come directly from the USA?

[urban flower]

SPF with Guerilla tactics then?

[eternal palm]

Basically

Idk from what you wanna get it

I guess it's Guerilla warfare then

[urban flower]

feel like the other guy baited me and GBP is better no?

[tawdry nebula]

Or no guys?

[urban flower]

guerilla tactics and people's militia but that's only for commies

[eternal palm]

The reason sfp is good is because if you finish the tracks, you get crazy recov rate, but grinding tank mastery is kinda hard so gbp might be better

[eternal palm]

You're playing tannu Tuva no

[urban flower]

yeah

but i'm fascist so i can join germany

[eternal palm]

Which starts communist yss

[eternal palm]

Why no portrait

U Dont need to join the axis

If anything that might be bad

Maybe join japan+

Get free China and an ally to help u

[urban flower]

impossible

[eternal palm]

How?

[tawdry nebula]

What nation are you playing as?

[urban flower]

you cant join if you're not in oceania

or capital in china

[eternal palm]

Oh shit

Wooooow

[urban flower]

new rules since update

[eternal palm]

Ass faction requirements

Yea but still

U don't need to join a faction

Like Germany ain't gonna help u

[urban flower]

also cant declare as tuva on estonia and latvia for factories cuz u have to be a major

[eternal palm]

Just stay commie for the manpower alone

[urban flower]

true

[tender stump]

what were they thinking

[urban flower]

hmmmm

[eternal palm]

Many things

[urban flower]

what should the build be then...

[eternal palm]

Also u ain't him 😭

[eternal palm]

People's militia, grand assault, gbp

I guess

[tender stump]

what?

[urban flower]

ok that was what i was thinking nice

[eternal palm]

U ain't him

[tender stump]

who

wat?

[urban flower]

because guerilla tactics is so bad bcs you'd lose on grand assault

[eternal palm]

You're never gonna finish sfp hence that's not the play here

[eternal palm]

U just ain't

[tawdry nebula]

How USA lost USS Enterprise CV-6?

[eternal palm]

Exactly

[tender stump]

it appears you lack a brain fair enough

[eternal palm]

I'm pretty smart I'd say

[urban flower]

so i go guerilla defense

with GBP grand assault people's militia.

Should I make some tanks, TDs or SPGs?

Or focus on cas and fighters?

[eternal palm]

U just didn't get the joke

Dense mf

[eternal palm]

No tanks

[urban flower]

or mech

[tender stump]

then you could explain yourself when asked

[eternal palm]

U can barely afford guns

[urban flower]

/amtracs

[eternal palm]

Like tannu Tuva has nothing

Actually dog shit

Ur lucky if u even get 10 mils

[urban flower]

just elite inf then

[tawdry nebula]

I didn't understand what nation you are currently playing as YourLocalSage?

[urban flower]

and uh idk somehow beat the biggest nation in the world

[eternal palm]

Has to be

[urban flower]

Tannu Tuva

[eternal palm]

U roach, then wait for Germany to kill, then take land, then kill Germany

[tawdry nebula]

Oh, ok.

[urban flower]

so this might be a case where forest guys are gonna be hella OP

rangers

[eternal palm]

Rangers gut

[tawdry nebula]

I honestly never played as Tannu Tuva.

[eternal palm]

Also get flame tanks and disable equipment

U still get the buff

[urban flower]

like it's all hills and forests with some mountains

[urban flower]

the entire Tannu Tuvan Industrial Complex will spend the next 3 years building a research building 😭

[eternal palm]

Oh right 💀

Nevermind

[urban flower]

nah its good idea

[eternal palm]

Takes too long

[urban flower]

cuz uh building slots = 0

[eternal palm]

Lmaooooo

[urban flower]

so i can build it there's nothing else to do anyways

[eternal palm]

Hmm

Maybe go non hist and wait for Russian civil war?

[urban flower]

gay

[eternal palm]

Then declare on white Russia

[tawdry nebula]

Just curious of one thing regarding Flame tanks.

[eternal palm]

Ye true

[urban flower]

the chad sibir doesnt wait for civil war

the chad sibir take land

[eternal palm]

[tawdry nebula]

The only Soviet Flame Tank was the KV-8 right?

I mean this one.

[tender stump]

engaging A proper german navy without any kind of other ships in it's fleet

[urban flower]

ok ok thanks for the planning, I'll appoint you as my chief of army if i succeed

[tawdry nebula]

I see.

[urban flower]

you'll lead the grand Sibir army (about 20k men tops)

while I'll be the head of state of the empire (managing the other 60k residents and 10 factories)

[tawdry nebula]

Good luck in your run YourLocalSage.

I hope also my Japan one will go well.

[quasi osprey]

hope this will not come crashing down in a few years

[heavy vigil]

gbp is better if you dont want crazy org regen

i mean force attack is free org so like idk if you dont have inf thats fine

[urban flower]

GBP also gives me Theatre training

i can minmax my grinded generals

or is there better spirit?

[tawdry nebula]

Hey Casey.

[tawdry nebula]

Good luck against the Soviet Union.

[quasi osprey]

yes

I will need it

[tawdry nebula]

I'm honestly still thinking if invade the Soviet Union in 1943 as Japan or no tbh.

[quasi osprey]

btw this is 1940

[tawdry nebula]

Oh, nice.

I'm in 1938 in my run.

[iron iron]

I’m genuinely tweaking

It’s 2:30am

School legit starts in 5 hours

[quasi osprey]

and the funny part is that the soviets betrayed the molotov-ribentropp pact before the germans

[iron iron]

And I have a massive cut on me toe so I can’t sleep

And the first teacher I have is so legit the only bad teacher I have 🫩

[viscid swift]

guys whats the best defense division template

like literally THE best

[tawdry nebula]

Oh, wow.

[tawdry nebula]

As I'm curious, what you guys suggest to do?

Try to invade the Soviet Union?

[iron iron]

2 infantry 8 artillery

Amazing

Works every time

[sudden thistle]

indeed

[urban flower]

Lol there will be more men in the army than in Tannu Tuva itself by 1938

[sudden thistle]

to cap soviets u will need to march to moscow

[viscid swift]

what were u smoking mate

[sudden thistle]

uhm

maybe he meant the other way around

[viscid swift]

i sure hope so

[tawdry nebula]

More I want to help Germany so Stalin need to worry of 2 Front.

While for me are 3.

Asia, Soviet Union and Pacific "Island Hopping".

[rustic ridge]

So weak.

[viscid swift]

okay its still kinda mid

i think i'll go for 30w maybe or smth... idk

[vital cove]

16w block of infantry

[iron iron]

Pranked

It’s 30 degrees I have a cut that hurts alot so I can’t sleep plus school starts In 5 hrs and I have 0 sleep

[delicate stag]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-rabbit-bunny-goblin-gif-16556088275988104529

[urban flower]

bruh only 1 brilliant strategist

i made 8 generals

[ornate path]

Best Country to Play in Millennium Dawn? With a mod

[lost parcel]

mild conscription law increase

[knotty vortex]

i think its over for me

[sour kayak]

https://youtu.be/4an13ppH4Bs?si=s7-S7eMR3I8YxqVw STAY AWAY FROM GWR

[sour kayak]

RIP

[lost parcel]

1.08 gazillion people live here

[knotty vortex]

held on for so long

i can try holding on until the allies arrive

but im not hopeful

[sour kayak]

Yeah idk man

[tawdry nebula]

Why?

[night field]

theyve been attacking for a year straight what do i do here

[lost parcel]

endure

[knotty vortex]

situation looks more stable

[tender stump]

theoretically with a bit of forts, engineers, maintenance and field hospital on a proper template you should be able to take this for eternity and just wait it out

[sour kayak]

An evil, authoritarian development team

And the mod kinda sucks now

[tawdry nebula]

How?

[sour kayak]

You’re probably best just to watch that video

But to summarize they mass ban players for criticizing choices that ruin the mod and they’re extremely political and say a lot of slurs

Spread the news

There are people working on alternatives now

[tawdry nebula]

Ok.

[crisp wyvern]

Managed to get Kaiser Wilhelm the II to live past 1940 until he died in late 1941

[earnest vine]

damn

[steel zephyr]

uh oh

[devout whale]

Meow

[steel zephyr]

hehehe

[knotty vortex]

actually going well

dont have as much land as i wish i did

but i cannot figure out how to become faction leader

[urban flower]

was hoping to get some Chinese grind but is it normal Japan doesn't push?

Like they used to go all out on the assault

[safe wing]

Yes

[glad lake]

btw too ez

[prisma saddle]

how i can make move my tank while getting the battle plan bonus but dont being affected from the front line and move them where i want?

[urban flower]

Uhhhh hopefully I hold

[urban flower]

are you sure guerilla is good? Because tbh i cant even fill the combat width

unless I maybe sacrifice some Tuvan land

[sharp yarrow]

300K ping usa

were cooked

[earnest vine]

What mod is this?

[glad lake]

no mods

[earnest vine]

oh ok

[snow rain]

you're gonna need support AA

[quasi osprey]

we are so close😩

[snow rain]

and don't bother holding every single tile

[urban flower]

uh

too late now oof

[snow rain]

it isn't

[steel zephyr]

had to give up lithuania

[snow rain]

it's that or death

[quasi osprey]

how dare u

[urban flower]

i'm on concentrated and it's still 120 days to research

[quasi osprey]

this is what lithuania can do

[urban flower]

u sure?

[snow rain]

basically, yes

sov have a lot of tactical bombers, and these will kill you

[urban flower]

there's no airport around me tho

[snow rain]

support AA is enough to not only shoot them down but reduce damage by 75% too

[urban flower]

nvm ulaanbaatr has one

[snow rain]

baikal and mongolia have airports

[quasi osprey]

oh noooo

[urban flower]

do i need it in my div or does it apply without AA in the div?

[quasi osprey]

stupid germany not defending its coasts

[snow rain]

you need AA in your div, since you have a support slot open, just add it as support company

[quasi osprey]

😩

[urban flower]

but i dont have the industry

and i need to research

[snow rain]

1 mil on AA

you have mils for medium flame tanks, you surely have mils for aa 1

[urban flower]

are you 100% sure it's worth it because the last things you said weren't super optimal in my case

[steel zephyr]

ts tragic

[snow rain]

also, AA 1 will allow you to pierce soviet tanks so they take full org and strenght damage and don't crit your divs

[urban flower]

shouldve grinded camouflage expert

[snow rain]

I said big ass divs with HP maxing isn't good

never said AA isn't worth it, that's like a must-have in 99% cases

[tender stump]

are there even any soviet airbases up there?
I mean it is the middle of siberia and i have never seen the ai build one, usually I have to do that for them just so they can stack it with their entire airforce and make it useless .-.

[urban flower]

it's gonna take like a couple months of war before I even have AA

it better be worth it cuz i killed my inf equipment efficiency for this

[urban flower]

there's like 2 in chita and 5 in ulaanbaatr

irkutsk has 1

[snow rain]

mongolia and baikal

[tender stump]

then it may very well be worth it

[urban flower]

but i dont think they even reach except maybe the mongol one

[snow rain]

• the soviet tanks need something to get pierced

[urban flower]

i dont even know what baikal is

[snow rain]

the big lake

[urban flower]

ah

[snow rain]

the airport is right above chita iirc

[urban flower]

i'm licensing from the brits

i'll have to do it without AA anyways

prob wasnt worth it

[snow rain]

that's good
manpower is gonna be an issue though

[tender stump]

well we will see when you are doing it

[snow rain]

the more manpower you lack, the less hp your divs have, the more losses you takes, the more manpower you lack

endless death circle

[tender stump]

I am suprised you aren't using field hospitals or maintenance companies as I would be very suprised if you could actually supply tanks and manpower for any notable ammount of time, tannu tuva isn't neccessarily an industrial powerhouse

[urban flower]

wonder if i can just rush the mongols tbf

if i wouldve put men on ussr border you can cap mongols before they join

well too late now

[steel zephyr]

yep

[steel zephyr]

also added field hospitals

[snow rain]

no point doing that anyway tbf

[urban flower]

for puppet them

[snow rain]

they're in comintern

you can't, you'd have to kill sov

[urban flower]

yeah but ussr doesnt join

[snow rain]

they do

[urban flower]

no i did it yesterday

you can rush mongols down and cap and get them as puppet

[snow rain]

what ? It's defensive war, AIs always join within a week

[urban flower]

you need men on SOV border to make them refrain from joining

they will join when they have enough men on the border and thats a long time

[snow rain]

ooooh I see. Clever

[urban flower]

maybe it was hoi4 moment idk

bc new dlc is kinda goofy

yesterday france invaded italy in 1938

even have picture here in the disc

they fully puppeted italy in 1938 lol

[snow rain]

nah, it's because AI doesn't react when you justify on their ally until you dec

so for some reason they won't put troops on border

[steel zephyr]

which of these is best for my siutation

being defence againts the russian horde

[urban flower]

they're not even attacking me

[snow rain]

by default I'd say field engineering

since you don't have SHH

defensive postures is really ass in your situation though

[steel zephyr]

but doesnt that just only increase movement?

[snow rain]

soviets probably have full spy network on you, reducing entrenchment by 99%

[steel zephyr]

russians*

[snow rain]

it buffs engineer and maintenance (useless) companies

[urban flower]

bruh i can easily push the SOV

[snow rain]

you might want to delete airforce for manpower since you're not using it. If they're old planes it's better to delete anyway

[sharp yarrow]

game was ass

[snow rain]

how many of their spies did you get lmao

[sharp yarrow]

everyone lagging

[steel zephyr]

yeah maybe

[snow rain]

don't do cas without fighters
and what are those plane made of ?

because using byplanes and stuff like that is wasted manpower

[pine finch]

why iran tree has so much unrealestic parts?

[snow rain]

better sell themù at high cost on the market, always a dumb ai to buy it

[snow rain]

lack of realism on my funny map painting game ?

[steel zephyr]

i hope russia pisses someone else off asap

[snow rain]

ngl, the fact finland's still holding firm is hillarious

USA is lend leasing them bruh

also "triple entente"

looks inside
Only russia

[steel zephyr]

my strength still looking ok

[snow rain]

it's fine, yeah
no critical state compared to the soviets

if you have some pushing potential, you might consider doing some manpower raids

[steel zephyr]

i really want to recapture daugavpils as it's a second supply hub and gives me latgale back, but i dont want to throw away mp and strength

i think defence is the best here for a long while

[snow rain]

that's offensives where you take back a region (aim for a VP), then once you get it, set all the new manpower to train divs, fall back then delete the divs in training
and boom, you basically took all the manpower you would've get in the state if you had it

do you have an offensive div of some kind ? like your rangers ?

[steel zephyr]

logistics

[snow rain]

start building something new. Less arty mainly

I'd recommend flame tanks with lots of breakthrough and, if you can, some medium SPGs

basically something to melt russians

[prisma saddle]

how i can make move my tank while getting the battle plan bonus but dont being affected from the front line and move them where i want?

[snow rain]

assign a frontline but change the cohesion of the army to "none"

there's no more "ghost planning"

[steel zephyr]

independant karelia sure is helping them a lot

oh wow they still got influence

[prisma saddle]

oh, and the production converion and the general with 72 army front line?

[snow rain]

still works but can't give you planning anymore

you can still micro with garrison order, you just can't get planning anymore

[prisma saddle]

oh understood

thank you

[heavy vigil]

you can go smaller

[heavy vigil]

i held like this vs sheeps ai

[steel zephyr]

i am standing very well at this size

wouldn't want to give up a province when im already doing well

how to see battle causalties

[terse skiff]

it's in the theater menu

[steel zephyr]

and where's that

[terse skiff]

i don't have hoi now but it's where you set the theaters

on the top right of the screen where it shows all your armies

[heavy vigil]

its good because you fill combat width

you can deal more damage to the enemies

while they have less time to attack you

it can be beneficial to give up more land than strictly necessary, then pushing out against weakened forces/as you retain your force

[steel zephyr]

inflicted ~150k russian causalties for 1k of my own

my units

[urban flower]

is there a limit on terrain traits?

[steel zephyr]

unfortunately these ones too

came from a focus, can't remove them

[quasi osprey]

idk why in my run almost every country is about twice as weak as ussual

[urban flower]

omg there's no limit to terrain traits wt

[quasi osprey]

this is 1941

[quasi osprey]

[terse skiff]

yes but for every trait you get the harder it gets to learn another one

[quasi osprey]

soviets

[terse skiff]

that's why if you want to train the ultimate general you need to learn how to do it

[heavy vigil]

no but you gain traits slower as you have more

[quasi osprey]

germany weak in 1941 idk why

[heavy vigil]

i believe there isnt a cap anyway

[urban flower]

which is pretty hard

since you stop grind at 99%

which is ez in spanish cw but not in real war 🙁

[heavy vigil]

the legendary swamp grind

• commando

• jungle

[terse skiff]

that's why you grind generals in scw

[heavy vigil]

actually you can grind jungle/commando relatively easy compared to swamp

on hist

[terse skiff]

i want my 10 atk panzer + cav leader + adaptable + engineer chuikov

[urban flower]

this is already pretty decent lol

I've been at war for 5 days and the xp went up by 8

for hill fighter

even with all those traits

and I've only got 2 hill tiles

[heavy vigil]

thinking of it actually

i dont think ive ever had a legit general with the swamp trait

i guess you can grind it in like mexico?

thats a controlled small war

[urban flower]

isnt swamp pretty useless tho

[heavy vigil]

well yeah but its rare

actually theres a lot of ussr marshes

[terse skiff]

i still don't know how pdx decided on the exp required for these traits

[heavy vigil]

swamp is more useful than jungle at least

[urban flower]

i mean mostly in findland area right

or siberia

[heavy vigil]

belarus

[amber mortar]

hi

[urban flower]

yeah but that's litteraly it

like it's belarus 15 tiles and then 7 tiles on Novgorod

all the other marches are alone and next to a plain

[steel zephyr]

+100k to them +0k to me

[terse skiff]

wait what's the terrain in louisiana?

[urban flower]

and Murmansk

[steel zephyr]

just rounding though so probably not that much

[terse skiff]

is louisiana marsh?

[heavy vigil]

thats better than jungle

[urban flower]

true lol jungle is fkn dog

well

[heavy vigil]

im not setting a high bar

[urban flower]

if you safari

[heavy vigil]

but its not the most useless trait

[heavy vigil]

its good in malaysia

[urban flower]

nah jungle prob better than marshes right

[heavy vigil]

for safari just use air

[urban flower]

for asia as japan and africa as italy

[heavy vigil]

italy cant grind it lmao

the ONLY place you can grind it in hist is ecuador-peru

[urban flower]

true lol

[heavy vigil]

which happens after ww2 starts

[urban flower]

why is asia all forest and barely any jungle?

[heavy vigil]

its also where you can grind commando

[urban flower]

isnt indochina thick jungle?

[heavy vigil]

because jungle really only is at the ecuator

[urban flower]

there should be jungle in south china and indochina right?

like hoi4 devs forgot

[heavy vigil]

the hoi4 map is off

it isnt accurate

[steel zephyr]

rail...

[heavy vigil]

brasil is further south

[urban flower]

like the whole reason cantonese culture is different from han is the mountainous jungles

[heavy vigil]

you have hoi4 brainrot

[urban flower]

they just made everything hills

[heavy vigil]

china is pretty far north

[steel zephyr]

antarctica meta when?

[urban flower]

lol

[heavy vigil]

its like tropical rainforest yeah but i think less intense

[urban flower]

but tbf mapping isnt easy

[heavy vigil]

i think jungle in game is meant to really represent impassable jungle

[urban flower]

so i can respect the decisions i can however not respect the terrain types

[steel zephyr]

53 Russian divs on the border and we're still stronger 🇱🇻

[heavy vigil]

rainforests

[prisma saddle]

serbia and montenegro

[urban flower]

bro you aint getting thru thick chinese jungles

you have more luck in the amazon

at least the amazon is flat

or flatter