hoi4-general

[bitter nexus]

ive been fighting it for a month

[worn coral]

put that in console and enter

[warped flint]

My only hope is the... bomb

[worn coral]

dude

the germans are gonna exhaust themselves

[warped flint]

im fine lmao just want to make bombs

[worn coral]

run out of manpower

also

invade italy

[warped flint]

I mean they are blitzing the soviets no problem

[warped flint]

I am trying but I can only use gibralter

the british lost all of africa

[worn coral]

what are you playing as

[warped flint]

usa

[worn coral]

yea bro

uk losing africa is 100% ur fault

[warped flint]

dude

they lost it in 139

39

i cant do shit about that

[worn coral]

oh yeah no its not ur fault then

did u do lend lease act tho?

[warped flint]

nah ima keep all my stuff to myself

[worn coral]

dude

its over

the soviets get destroyed with no lend lease

[warped flint]

its just cause the axis is buffed

[worn coral]

wait what

[warped flint]

normally they dont even get past kiev lmao

[worn coral]

what did you do

[warped flint]

I maxx buffed the axis

[worn coral]

oh god

yea buddy u can just quit now

[warped flint]

ill ping you whenever I win

[worn coral]

the second u do d-day there will be 500 panzer divisions

[warped flint]

ahh panzers

[worn coral]

also they have infinite production

[warped flint]

that get destroyed by tens of thousands of my aircraft

[warped flint]

I have infinty plus 1

😈

[worn coral]

buddy

check their factory count

italy doesnt matter tho

[warped flint]

its slighlty more then me

thats fine tho I have beaten WAY, worse

[worn coral]

hungary?

romania?

bulgaria?

croatia?

[warped flint]

like maybe 100 combined

but they wont do shit

[worn coral]

dude

u sure u good?

[warped flint]

Yes

[worn coral]

i have a challenge

tibet world conquest

tank only

i was gonna play hoi4

but im feeling more like satisfactory rn

@warped flint

why u stop replying bruv

[warped flint]

I was desigining stuff

[worn coral]

do my challenge

[warped flint]

No

[worn coral]

the reward is a "cool"

[worn coral]

why

i tought u were good

ok im gonna do historical germany run

[warped flint]

i never said that

[worn coral]

but i am good

[warped flint]

ironman not on

[worn coral]

dude what

how do you even know that

[worn coral]

dms

damn

[worn coral]

yo

im gonna play historical germany

how do i play autarky

ive never done it before

[warped flint]

You need to get enough resources and you can get autarky and it basically removes mefo bills

[worn coral]

yea ik

[warped flint]

you need to get this focus fast

[worn coral]

but im also pretty sure conquering ussr doesnt cut it

[worn coral]

are the demand increased dutch trade decisions worth it?

[warped flint]

no

it does nothing good

[worn coral]

what do i do after institute price controls

[warped flint]

probably air stuff to rush fighter 3

[worn coral]

who do i get for fuhrerprinzip?

im thinking about goebbels

[warped flint]

Get todt then abandon him for goering

and hess

hess is realy goo

[warped flint]

get him last

[worn coral]

aight

which advisor do i get

i already got schacht

[warped flint]

chief of army next

the politcal advisors for germany besides schlat kinda suck

[worn coral]

im gonna wait for franz

[hoary glen]

update

[worn coral]

what

[hoary glen]

invite me

@worn coral hurry

[worn coral]

invite to what

[hoary glen]

game

[worn coral]

i cant

[hoary glen]

🖕🏻

[worn coral]

im playing historical germany

what do you even need

[worn coral]

do i do todt or speer first?

[warped flint]

todt

then switch him out for georing

[worn coral]

what about speer?

@warped flint

[warped flint]

speers bad

dont get him

you can only get 3 fully finished btw

[worn coral]

i know

i play germany

but usually alternative

i barely go for hitler

even less for historical

also

[warped flint]

The first liberation has begun

[worn coral]

what do i say for denmark trade request?

[worn coral]

justify on nationalist spain for shits and giggles

[warped flint]

its bad

[warped flint]

cant

[worn coral]

so no?

[worn coral]

u cant justify at 100% world tension?

[warped flint]

Yeah I cant against nations that havent caused world tension

[worn coral]

oh yeah i forgot

[restive sable]

operation torch 🗣️🗣️

[worn coral]

who do i go for after todt?

i forgot

[warped flint]

And operation torch is going to get destroyed because my allies are flooding the airports I built up with their shitty aircraft

[warped flint]

hess

Yep my d-day was going awesome but then the divisions just deceided nah i dont wanna fight anymore and left

[worn coral]

told you

aslo

also

[warped flint]

No you said they would have a shit ton of divisions

[worn coral]

replace todt with goring right?

[warped flint]

not that my divisions would just say nah lets not fight

[warped flint]

yes

you just get todt to get the company

[worn coral]

yo

who do i replace for goebbels

[warped flint]

none

keep him

would have gotten him last tho

[worn coral]

i did

i just wanna know who to kick

@warped flint

[warped flint]

You shouldnt have to kick anyone?

you only got 3?

[worn coral]

this is what it looks like

[eternal palm]

I would replace todt with goebbels

[warped flint]

did you already kick todt?

[eternal palm]

if only you could read......

[worn coral]

i replaced him with goring

[warped flint]

oh yeah

[worn coral]

but hes still on the circle

[warped flint]

i have a bad headache rn

Probably not good to play hoi4

but oh well

[eternal palm]

No you just allowed him to finish his focus, you still need to kick him

You only kick him via the event if you already have all the slots filled

[worn coral]

ok

[warped flint]

Alr i give up i am to lazy for this shit

I cant beat the german air because the ai keeps flooding the airports with shitty planes and they wont leav

[flint wyvern]

What country

[warped flint]

i was playing the usa

Also it was a max buffed axis

[hushed pond]

hello

can anyone help me?

im somewhat in a sticky situation

the uk has been bullying me for the last say like

8 years

and i have atleast 200 divisions on my frontline trying to take back the original german reich land

i have them stopped at german-poland

[worn coral]

well thats not very cool

[worn coral]

@warped flint

[warped flint]

your being naval invaded

[worn coral]

i wasnt

[warped flint]

and also why are you paratrooping

[worn coral]

they just hadnt capitulated yet

[warped flint]

into paris?

[worn coral]

im not

i got encircled

[warped flint]

im not talking about france

[worn coral]

but i managed to keep the tank alive

[warped flint]

im talking about the netherlands

[sharp sierra]

i got all these crappy coastal defense ships but no opposing navy to fight with it

[worn coral]

yeah i saw that too

[ornate timber]

I’m playing as Italy and I need a cheap template that can guard my ports

Does anyone have any templates that they are willing to share please?

[sharp sierra]

how cheap do you want to go

cheap in equipment or manpower or both

[ornate timber]

Equipment

I have 50K guns stockpiled but I’m new to the game so idk if that’s enough

[sharp sierra]

you could make the unit bigger and not include any support companies if you have enough guns but maybe not support equipment

maybe like this one idk

is what i would make

swap the arty with an engineer

[ornate timber]

How would I modify it if I wanted to make it more expensive?

[sharp sierra]

engineer company and more battalions

itll entrench and survive the attack on the port tile then you can just mop up the 0 supplied units that landed beside it

[ornate timber]

Thank you for your help

I think i’ll use this

[worn coral]

oh wait

i just realized im early to capitulating france

[dusky burrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i437Brlsl0 what low org looks like

[dusky burrow]

very easy in hoi4

[worn coral]

yea i know

[dusky burrow]

mostly because the french ai doesn't even defend itself properly

[strong jungle]

is there a feature where nations are highlighted by like a yellow border or something

I want to see what it looks like and idk how to find it

[worn coral]

yea i know

but i usually take longer

i usually do early 40

[pseudo raven]

https://tenor.com/view/dffg-gif-25256317

[pseudo raven]

Yesterday i tried to hold France as Indian

But in every battle were under shity French gens with 0 traits

[strong jungle]

no I'm thinking about states, but does this occur for nations where they are entirely highlighted with a yellow border?

[dusky burrow]

huh

[pseudo raven]

Like if u go into same offensive battles or defensive

With allies

[dusky burrow]

I'll have to check

[pseudo raven]

In battle there will be 2 general portraits

From your side

And enemy

[pseudo raven]

here it is

[mild roost]

💀

[pseudo raven]

My gen and his terrain traits

[hushed pond]

hello

[pseudo raven]

Hi

[hushed pond]

uh

im in a odd posistion with half the world can anyone help me?

if you can guess what nation I am i will not be impressed but impressed

[pseudo raven]

Hi is not the best but still better than French

[hushed pond]

ok wait a fking moment

[pseudo raven]

Falangist Poland

[hushed pond]

no

but semi close

[sharp sierra]

so im guessing im just blocked from the referendum this far into the game

and with this path

[hushed pond]

@pseudo raven you were extremely close but i invaded them first in 1936 to gain some power

[sharp sierra]

czecho

[hushed pond]

no

[pseudo raven]

Than it's fascist country or path

Germany

Lithuania

[hushed pond]

congrats

yeah so uh

[pseudo raven]

Lithuania?

[hushed pond]

no

german reich

ok but heres whats going down

soviet union is pissed off now they want poland but all they did was spearhead into 321 divisions

and

the UK is angry and it has berlin

but i have all of the ussr and japan has its lowerhalf of it

[sharp sierra]

can you do a screenshot

[hushed pond]

uh

kinda?

how is a photo

[sharp sierra]

use ur phone even

[pseudo raven]

Send a screen

[hushed pond]

ok

1 momento

[pseudo raven]

U were to lazy to invest 20divs on naval defense i can guess

[hushed pond]

someone is once again right

😭

here

kinda sloppy ik im hella tired

[pseudo raven]

U have two potions again Britain
Navy
Defend coastline

[hushed pond]

and low quality

its 1950 dawg 💔 💔

[pseudo raven]

Usa is also here

[pseudo raven]

U done none

Retreat gor Soviets

Hold polish soviet border+-

[hushed pond]

.

.

.

i just got.

nuked.

[pseudo raven]

And get back your country

[hushed pond]

well its all good

[pseudo raven]

So no air as germany too

Absolute best

[hushed pond]

i have ta 152's

💔

[hushed pond]

lemme see what else rq

so hoi4 just crashed

im not proud of it

AW THIS IS BULLSHIT

[pseudo raven]

Kekw

[hushed pond]

I HAD 321 DIV NOW I HAVE 287 😭

im lwky getting ragebaited by ai

oh.

thats why.

well

i dont need help anymore

[sharp sierra]

lmao its 1950 in ur game

[hushed pond]

im legit screwed

the russian fed just took back the soviet union land

[pseudo raven]

Just restart no need in learning game this hard

[sharp sierra]

yea

[hushed pond]

nah bro i needa learn

[sharp sierra]

find out what a good unit looks like

and then what makes it good

[pseudo raven]

It's not effective

Try make proper run with air atleast

[sharp sierra]

talking to people in here will make you a lot better cause theres some nerds

[hushed pond]

i mean whenever i restart ill be playing a different game but ig ill try

im like 3 weeks new, i have 0 clue what im doing sometimes but i have a strong idea of what im doing

[sharp sierra]

play italy

[pseudo raven]

Here some good templates.

[pseudo raven]

He got naval invaded as germany

And u advice Italy

[hushed pond]

and i mean i held off the UK until they started land attacks

[graceful crater]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/933643574111772685/1270351149781880882/ezgif-2-e633fb1331.gif

[fickle thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[pseudo raven]

Problem was in USA actually

[hushed pond]

i got all the way to around 1947 and then i started getting screwed by allies

[sharp sierra]

yea dont play that long anything is better

for knowing the game do different things

[eternal palm]

?

[hushed pond]

@pseudo raven what nation first?

[pseudo raven]

Soviet hist

U have only 1 weak enemy

[hushed pond]

ok soviets a new path for me

[fickle thicket]

templates mid but needs some work on the flame tanks and somewhat on inf

[hushed pond]

is that poland per chance?

[eternal palm]

uh huh

Right

Wanna elaborate on that buddy

[hushed pond]

@pseudo raven who is it so around 1940 i can start invading a few nations

[pseudo raven]

If u want u can do Poland

[pseudo raven]

Germany kekw

[hushed pond]

i mean like

[pseudo raven]

Just proper infantry 32 width aa and at

[hushed pond]

ok what?

[pseudo raven]

And they can't do anything to u

[hushed pond]

i dont speak hoi4-ian

yet

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-sea-lion-neck-bounce-funny-gif-17521201136049106636

[fickle thicket]

go 9 battalion inf for cheap line holder, disregard medium flame tanks entirely and go lights as those will be in ur inf and make it as cheap as possible with decent stats (aka turrent and flamethrower) i cant say anythin on spa idk decent designs go either all in on hmgs or modern cannons on ur fighters and use only 1 armor plate as range is ass and uh only do bomblocks for cas

[pseudo raven]

Infantry division with artillery anti tank anti air

[hushed pond]

ohhh

[pseudo raven]

Support company

[hushed pond]

ok

[eternal palm]

Ok cool, basically worthless

[eternal palm]

do you have anything to say thats useful?

[pseudo raven]

Also engineer companies

[eternal palm]

Like, medium flame tanks are just better, making them expensive is to stack break and no 18w is bad

[hushed pond]

@pseudo raven what do i focus on first

[fickle thicket]

read it at least

[craggy trail]

Hmm, a curious thought on something. I've noticed you've used 2x extra ammunition and armor skirts compared to fuel tanks and a dozer that people usually make with their flame tanks. Is that for the extra defense and breakthrough?

[hushed pond]

inf or air

[eternal palm]

I did

its mostly worthless

[eternal palm]

u do double armor plate when you have range designer

[pseudo raven]

To not letting Stalin kill your generals atleast

[eternal palm]

you do one armor plate when light aircraft

[pseudo raven]

I am not into Soviets

[eternal palm]

Heavy bomblocks are simply better

[hushed pond]

lmfao

[pseudo raven]

Just factories

[eternal palm]

Like idk what you are trying to tell me

[pseudo raven]

5 year plans

[fickle thicket]

mf i dont got aat or whatever dlc added that i dont know that crap

[eternal palm]

Then dont try to correct me bruh

if you dont know, dont talk

🤷‍♂️

[fickle thicket]

im just sayin in the viewpoint of what i have

[sharp sierra]

dollar general tweaker

[hushed pond]

@eternal palm i dont mean no disrespect but are you this like crazy abt defending ur templates and all that?

[sharp sierra]

he doesnt even have to the other guy is just wrong

[hushed pond]

oh

[fickle thicket]

explain

[hushed pond]

ok

[pseudo raven]

Based hoi4 player who knows how to get big green numbers

[sharp sierra]

explain what u dont even have the whole game

[hushed pond]

ok i should NOT be laughing my ass off at this

average 1am day

[fickle thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[sharp sierra]

whyd you say disregard medium flame tank

[hushed pond]

hoi4 players lwky on some crack sometimes

idk abt yall but i need some of that 😭

[fickle thicket]

because its a support company that will probably be in most of your divisions which means it needs to be cheap

[heavy vigil]

ok whats the struggle

[pseudo raven]

Aren't med flame tanks considered as meta or smth

[sharp sierra]

well assumably that flame tank is only going to be in super special units

[pseudo raven]

Template discussion

[hushed pond]

nothing im just watching some guy named minion try to critizce the holy daylights out of some guy

[heavy vigil]

why care

most stuff works

[pseudo raven]

Ask @fickle thicket

[fickle thicket]

we got nothin else to do

[pseudo raven]

Against ai especially

[heavy vigil]

true

[heavy vigil]

no you just need good modifiers

[hushed pond]

ok im lwky getting bored project zomboid or hoi4

[pseudo raven]

But as I understood @hushed pond Is new to game, so I send him some good templates form higher in this chat

And then someone got offended

By not 9 inf divs

As I understood

[sharp sierra]

minionz is like that shits so mid by the way i dont have arms against tyranny

[heavy vigil]

wonder if i can pin this or if ill get executed

[eternal palm]

No I simply tend to say what I think. If you have something to say, say it and I will see if it is valid or not.

[fickle thicket]

mf it adds mios, international market, and nordic focus trees for 20 bucks id rather with save it or spend it on something that i see worth it

[pseudo raven]

He just needed proper inf template and that's it

[fickle thicket]

focus trees which i probably wont play

[craggy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/my-little-pony-rex-mlp-ok-who-knows-gif-12173893

[eternal palm]

Well maybe think about that some more

[heavy vigil]

be patient, polite, and kind, spread love, not hate

[fickle thicket]

either i play with what i have and base my review over what content i have or i dont talk

[acoustic lynx]

mio is one of the most important feature in the game for designs

for example as germans you take the range fighter mio and you can go double plate

which is extremely good

[eternal palm]

I suggest doing the latter

[fickle thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-idk-this-person-questioning-random-person-this-who-gif-5295285761881556675

[sharp sierra]

what about that spg mech template tho do you really think that was a non optimal template

[pseudo raven]

But he is actually right minioz is trolling or totally wrong

[heavy vigil]

peak

[eternal palm]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mr-krabs-days-without-nonsense-gif-26130271

[fickle thicket]

i aint trolling

[heavy vigil]

sad

you should be

[eternal palm]

Then ur just wrong 💀

[pseudo raven]

Than second option left

[craggy trail]

It used to cost xp to actually apply to equipment, but now it's free and should be on everything you produce. Except for when you actually need the political power, then you don't research with MIO

[pseudo raven]

Soviet OKMO is overkill at some point

Or atleast was

[acoustic lynx]

ngl the pp negate is not much that its always worth to take

[pseudo raven]

Silly EaW merchant

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/antiair-gun-are-you-aa-gun-gif-8475433601612630874

[acoustic lynx]

not taking OKMO is actually just throwing the game

[pseudo raven]

Yes

[heavy vigil]

peak tank div

[pseudo raven]

Sahara desert special?

[craggy trail]

I'm kinda forced onto Free Trade and Civilian Economy with my endgame focus tree, so all my steel are gone

Testing out conversion lines which is a pretty handy when you don't have resources, but it's very micro intensive

[pseudo raven]

Conquer your clients

[pseudo raven]

So 4 mils produce more tanks than tankograd

Pure pony workefficency

[acoustic lynx]

conversion my beloved

they nerfed it in the no compromise no surrender right

the conversion tech changed

[pseudo raven]

It's implemented in other industry tech if I remember correctly

But it was needing in balance

[acoustic lynx]

100%

[pseudo raven]

Like convers allowed u do lot's of heavy tanks as Soviets

Just converse crap to meta

[acoustic lynx]

it also works as rubber exploit

you cut the usage by HALF

[acoustic lynx]

that is massive in multiplayer where 200 mils go to planes

[pseudo raven]

Yes

[heavy vigil]

the sahara isnt even close to ethiopia??

[pseudo raven]

Tried to joke in gen chat

Sorry for my rudeness

[acoustic lynx]

ever since they made relia linear heavy td kinda sucks now

[heavy vigil]

im just dense when it comes to people not understanding geography sorwy

[acoustic lynx]

me when i lose 50k heavy tds 3 months in barb

[pseudo raven]

Sahara is like dead chunk of territory in hoi if I am correct

[craggy trail]

Inner Sahara is impassable terrain

[pseudo raven]

That's what I wanted to text

Actually sometimes I want to do Rommel panzer Dakar

Rally

[heavy vigil]

i feel like playing ethiopia

which path chat

[pseudo raven]

Through draining British garnisons

Resistance increase in Africa

[heavy vigil]

well theres more than that one

[craggy trail]

Conversion is still somewhat viable. They did change in NCNS to have coal upgrades to what were conversion tech upgrades. Now each tool research gives 20% conversion rate

[heavy vigil]

theres like lion stands, exile democratic, 3 fascist paths or communsit

[opaque zinc]

How do I manage and like not get overwhelmed when I have like a billion divisions with a side of 4 quadrillion fronts

ALSO WHAT DO I DO WHEN THE ENEMY JUST SPAMS LAST STAND.

IM LOSING MY MIND!

[heavy vigil]

im kinda tempted to do fascist

ive only done it like once

[heavy vigil]

attack and kill or wait it out

[heavy vigil]

divide and conquer, defeat in detail

front by front

[opaque zinc]

Time level 2 here I come..

https://tenor.com/view/captain-underpants-gif-13886158771766943429

I can’t have my instant gratification this isn’t fair

[craggy trail]

@heavy vigil Do you have a clue on to why some folks add extra ammunition storage to flame tanks than using fuel tanks and a dozer blade?

[heavy vigil]

its better because you get break

dozer blade is best

fuel tanks are very expensive for a benefit thats really not good

[eternal palm]

Fuel tanks add precisely 10 hours of fuel to your div

So they're pretty shit

And even if you use flame tanks on inf, if you run ahead of your supply route, that's also bad

So the fuel tanks are just not that good in general

[heavy vigil]

creep whats the best one

[eternal palm]

Sorry I don't speak phillipino

[heavy vigil]

i thought youre lik a hoi4 pro

like*

[eternal palm]

I'm washed 😭

[heavy vigil]

its the ethiopian fascist event where you choose a leader

[eternal palm]

No clue

Never played that path

I've played Ethiopia twice

[heavy vigil]

same

and then a bit more

[frozen lion]

How would you rate my template?

[surreal mist]

god tier because of model

[heavy vigil]

for arty only it isnt awful

id try getting more hp

you can get it up to like 30 maybe

and then drag org down to like 10 so it doesnt explode but just retreats

[frozen lion]

I'm researching field hospitals to add to this

[heavy vigil]

field hosps suck iirc

for arty

[surreal mist]

you get 2 hp from hospital on its own

[heavy vigil]

get the finnish special supports

[heavy vigil]

maybe it is high

[surreal mist]

there really isnt a lot of hp sources for arty only unless you have special support companies

[heavy vigil]

hes finland

so he does

and he also has an artillery genius

[surreal mist]

yea, i'd use those + mp personally

mp is pretty cheap and is 2 hp

[heavy vigil]

all finnish supports go up by 5 hp because of a focus

[surreal mist]

ahh i forgot about that

[heavy vigil]

so itll be like 40-50 hp maybe

[surreal mist]

actually not bad

for arty only anyway

[eternal palm]

0/10 not enough arty

[surreal mist]

just drag org down to like, 10

[heavy vigil]

thats like 2 infantry

[surreal mist]

god tier levels of hp for arty only

nah wait, the italian assault battalion gives 40

[craggy trail]

Ah, so the radio, extra ammunition and armor skirts are just better stats for flame tanks than 30 hours of extra fuel and 1 extra entrenchment

[surreal mist]

i need to try arty only italy

[heavy vigil]

you cant

locked templates

[surreal mist]

right, i forgot about those

[eternal palm]

I didn't say dozer blades are bad, but like what good is the extra fuel when youre in a no supply zone anyhow?

Like thats bad fuel or no fuel

And the entrenchment really depends on what you're going for

[surreal mist]

fuelmaxxing flame tanks is pretty cope because you get basically nothing except inflating its cost

[eternal palm]

I tend to battle plan and not defend so it's really situational

[frozen lion]

that's easy, just send the locked template divisions into the enemy territory and get them encircled

[eternal palm]

See they get it

[frozen lion]

https://tenor.com/view/sacrifice-evil-bosses-shrek-lord-farquaad-some-of-you-may-die-gif-16648565

[eternal palm]

Fk locked templates

[surreal mist]

either you design a flametank for breakthroughmaxxing so you get relevant stats, or you put it in and turn equipment off so you get the terrain bonus without paying anything (or make it dirt cheap if you dont like exploiting)

[eternal palm]

All my homies hate locked templates

[surreal mist]

those are the only 'good' ways to use them

[eternal palm]

Finally someone making sense

[surreal mist]

flametank stats are -60% (except breakthrough which is only -20% so we max out on that ideally)

that's the logic anyway

[eternal palm]

And because tanks have more break modules than anything else

But ye

[heavy vigil]

but then youve used them

so its not arty only

[surreal mist]

just exile the locked templates to Rome

they're Mussolini's personal bodyguard

[heavy vigil]

i have a mod non ironman compatible that lets me edit and delete them

if you guys want

[eternal palm]

:prayge:

Pls

I need it

[heavy vigil]

because ive searched through every shitty hoi4 mod because i want 1 small thing in my game changes

d*

[remote quarry]

ok there's actually more breakthrough penalty

but that's the only stat you can get realistically(and it's an important stat)

[craggy trail]

That’s good to know. I have seen a sneak peek of those other templates when I went around the public FeedbackGaming discord server for template designs

[heavy vigil]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3245731266

[eternal palm]

That's like worse than reddit 💀

[heavy vigil]

sharing this first because its peak

give me a min to find the actual mod

[surreal mist]

ah damn, i must have confused the stat differences with recon tank

[remote quarry]

basically same for recon

light recon use 40% equipment for 46% breakthrough

flame tank use 30% equipment for 57% brekathrough

but both doesn't occupy width so it's really good

[surreal mist]

this is vanilla medflametank stats, so i was in fact wrong, still break and soft are the least penalized stats

[remote quarry]

well, my numbers are the accurate ones

since it is additive with the breakthrough bonus from grand assault doctrine

and tank company in it self has 0.15 breakthrough(which support tanks doesn't)

[heavy vigil]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2869507607

37 kilobytes tho

[remote quarry]

it's actually misleading that the tank designer displays the 0.15 breakthrough while support tank doesn't have them

[heavy vigil]

its pretty heavy

[remote quarry]

despite using the same equipment

it took my a few hours to figure out the math

[surreal mist]

well hot damn, i never actually knew that

lmao

why tf would that even be a thing

[heavy vigil]

shrimp use this for ita arty only if you have the computer space

[surreal mist]

37kb, simply too fat

[heavy vigil]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1702209487

this one is also nice

[slim nexus]

I am the only one thinking that Machanized and Motorized should have their own design too?

[pseudo raven]

Exile dem is like polish exile focuses or what?

[slim nexus]

Yes

[heavy vigil]

ethiopia

when haile sailassie is out of the country your demo support goes up

[quasi shoal]

couldn't you just turn on allowdiplo for that?

[pseudo raven]

No like similar to polish one

[heavy vigil]

nope

[heavy vigil]

no you have to actively have saile sailassie in exile in order to flip

[cedar lance]

how much techs equipments and etc stuff should i produce/mass produce?

[slim nexus]

All all all

10k mils

[cedar lance]

alr

[pseudo raven]

Atleast 120 mils on guns

[cedar lance]

🇪🇪 ESTONIA is a proud nation but our neighbors across the borders are NOT to be TRUSTED

🇪🇪 MRM has declared ESTONIA must be protected no matter the cost

[random sinew]

recommend mod pls guys

[pseudo raven]

RoN
EaW
R56
NewWays

All are chill to play

[random sinew]

RoN specifically which start date bro

[pseudo raven]

Which u are interested in

[random sinew]

mmm prolly anything other than ww2

[pseudo raven]

I just recommending a mod

[pseudo raven]

Why not

Also greatwar redux is good

[random sinew]

cuz ive played too much vanilla lol

[pseudo raven]

All achievements?

[random sinew]

im never doin achievement runs

[eternal palm]

Impossible

[eternal palm]

Then you got some homework to do

[random sinew]

only achievement run ive done is everything soviet

[pseudo raven]

Than not enough kekw

[eternal palm]

If you haven't reached 5k hours in vanilla you aren't doing it right

[pseudo raven]

Idk I just got bored of mod content at some point

Some mods try to jump over the head

And optimization goes down

[eternal palm]

Some mods really aren't that good conceptually lol

KR is nice but complicated to the point of not being fun

[pseudo raven]

World ablaze is best example

[crude schooner]

?

[crude schooner]

it’s hot trash

[eternal palm]

Most vanilla reworks are

Pdx does know what they are doing most of the time sadly

[pseudo raven]

"Historically accurate" level 6 forts mannerheim line, take Vipuri in 90 days or war support vanishes, if u trying speedrun usa conquer as ussr, USA will just spawn 200 divs from nothing

So no fun in mod

Just grinding down red numbers

[eternal palm]

Fun

[pseudo raven]

And stupid ore mechanics

[eternal palm]

Bloat mod yaaaay

[pseudo raven]

I love grinding greens more

[eternal palm]

Let's fight with so much that nobody cab move

[pseudo raven]

Not playing scripts

[eternal palm]

Mhm

Looks at tfb

Play hmm instead

Best vanilla mod by far

Yes I am biased

[pseudo raven]

Isn't it mp mod

The finest bruh

[eternal palm]

That's the point

[eternal palm]

Yes

Terrible mod

Play hmm

[pseudo raven]

Is it playable in singleplayer

[eternal palm]

For test builds

But not really no

[pseudo raven]

Or I should install some mods wich make ai competent

Like expert ai or which one is hyped rn

Remember sheep mod for ai

[eternal palm]

Outdated

Expert AI is a lag machine

[acoustic lynx]

horst is pretty nice too

[eternal palm]

Just makes AI competent at industry

[pseudo raven]

Already? It felt fresh

[acoustic lynx]

ive grown fond of it

[eternal palm]

But not much more

Devs haven't been keeping up with meta

[eternal palm]

Who?

[acoustic lynx]

horstorical

its like tfb ish but closer to vanilla

[pseudo raven]

Page is not working

[acoustic lynx]

but not actually

[acoustic lynx]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3516496049

oh yeah its an exclusive multiplayer mod

[pseudo raven]

Sounds strange

[acoustic lynx]

because the AI just dont work

[pseudo raven]

Like France will actually try to survive?

[acoustic lynx]

yeah, minors are important there

[pseudo raven]

That suck for me

[acoustic lynx]

instead of majors carrying

[pseudo raven]

I love single-player

[acoustic lynx]

isnt hmm and tfb also multiplayer only

cmiiw

[pseudo raven]

Hungary 1937 mechs matters

[pseudo raven]

Atleast ai isn't turned off completely

So some ai improvement mod will work

[acoustic lynx]

well, true

[pseudo raven]

I need some mod like start from 1936, but not allot of new mechanics

[eternal palm]

Who?

Shit mod don't care

If its not Hmm I don't want it

[pseudo raven]

If it has more new mechanics then r56 than it's too much for me

[eternal palm]

Yall can have your bloat

[green lodge]

The czech said no

Do I invade them ?

[pseudo raven]

Is there any alternatives for r56 ron or new ways

[eternal palm]

I guess Agora?

But it's just as bloated

No actually just play vanilla

[pseudo raven]

Forgot of this

[acoustic lynx]

wait for sheep mod to be updated then

[eternal palm]

All rework mods suck

[pseudo raven]

Isn't it like too much buffs

[eternal palm]

As I said, bloated asf

[pseudo raven]

Probably should

[acoustic lynx]

whats the difference between hmm and vanilla

[pseudo raven]

Wait I need to Google what bloated means

[acoustic lynx]

our server mp vanilla mod is bogs

never tried hmm

[pseudo raven]

Oh like overrated

[acoustic lynx]

not really

its like unnecessary features

heavy

you name it

[pseudo raven]

Oh like all WaB is unnecessary feature

I am just hating WaB for germany glaze

They are to easy

[acoustic lynx]

have you tried sheeps mod

before NCNS

that is the best vanilla ish challange you can get in hoi4 sp

if you want harder go mp

[pseudo raven]

I played with expert ai

Idk how close it is

[acoustic lynx]

not even close

[pseudo raven]

K

Than will wait for sheep upgrade

[slim nexus]

Yes i have 150 on guns as republic of china

[pseudo raven]

Update*

[pseudo raven]

Only way to play mao China

Historical accuracy yk

[slim nexus]

Its kaiserreic but i unified china as right kmt soccon and desperate defense doctrine so i got around 25 million manpower and idk 600 inf divs iirc also i disabled player div limit

[pseudo raven]

Desperate defens decrease exp loses?

[slim nexus]

5% rec pop

Iirc

Im get 5k inf div

Later

Liberate siberia, balkanize india

[eternal palm]

It doesn't?

Large unit tactics does

[pseudo raven]

Thanks for correction

Than why choose desperate defens

[eternal palm]

Manpower

It's a different track altogether

You can have both

[pseudo raven]

As China it sounds like trolling

[eternal palm]

It does

[pseudo raven]

Atleast than u should do max width pure infantry and just press battle plan arrow

And wait until u or your enemy is drained out

Actually I want to do this brainded shi now

[pseudo raven]

Actually which Hungary is best, like rushing mechanized or doing planes

I will duo play with my friend he will cover fronts as germany

[pseudo raven]

I should do something from this

As we decided

I heard only plane Hungary is good

Or atleast interesting

[eternal palm]

Planes

What do u need mech for

[pseudo raven]

Like to give my friend on Germany license

So he can do mechanized early

[eternal palm]

... Germany has a focus to get it faster than you..

[pseudo raven]

Really?

[eternal palm]

Yes

[pseudo raven]

I thought India and Hungary were faster

[eternal palm]

U just do Hungarian fighter comp and give ger e4 and cannon 2 in 1940

Funny thing

[pseudo raven]

What is e4

Like guns

Or what equipment

Doesn't make sense for me

[heavy vigil]

i hate fascist ethiopia

[pseudo raven]

And googling this do not provide any helpful info

[pseudo raven]

Kekw

[heavy vigil]

its like the single worst designed path

[eternal palm]

If coop with ger just inf

Ger does tanks and planes u do inf

[heavy vigil]

ive tried it like 4 times now

it sucks

[pseudo raven]

So I should go for free trade so they could boost me via buying aluminum

And get grate output buffs

[ember vine]

old guy's tribe jumpscare

[eternal palm]

Yea

Build oil for Germany too

Hungary can get up to 200

[pseudo raven]

Cool

[heavy vigil]

the other paths are pretty fun

[pseudo raven]

Also annexing Romania early would be helpful i guess

Like conquering

[pseudo raven]

What is your favorite

I want to try Ethiopia

[eternal palm]

Don't

Just don't

[pseudo raven]

And what is like optimal defense setup

[pseudo raven]

Why

Small countries are fun

[eternal palm]

If they're not too small yes

Why yes I like doing focuses until 1942 until I can do anything productive

[pseudo raven]

Too small is Luxembourg

[eternal palm]

Yay

[heavy vigil]

probably lion stands

[eternal palm]

Too weak is ethiopia

[heavy vigil]

you can do the most things

[pseudo raven]

Atleast I need achievements

[eternal palm]

Do you?

[icy crescent]

Peru, Gran Colombia campaigne. ✅

[eternal palm]

Need is a strong word

[eternal palm]

See that's better

[heavy vigil]

i have like 30 archievements

[eternal palm]

Good formable

[heavy vigil]

thats like all of them

[pseudo raven]

I am trying to collect them

[eternal palm]

Denmark is surprisingly playable lol

[pseudo raven]

I want hoi 100% than move to other paradox games

Probably ck3

[icy crescent]

It really lacks resources.
You got oil.
And... uhm.
Maybe a bit tungston.

[eternal palm]

Until the next dlc drops

[heavy vigil]

do it as peru

[pseudo raven]

I think so

[heavy vigil]

you core like half of south america

[pseudo raven]

Why not Argentina to core all

[eternal palm]

Ye I've tried fascist Brazil vs the world yesterday. Mfw I'm 100 steel and 300 coal perma deficit and I get grinded down by the axis with 10 million casualties

[heavy vigil]

you have cores on everyone but parguay and uruguay for easy wargoals

[pseudo raven]

Or Mexico to core Hispanic part

[heavy vigil]

dlc locked, doesnt start fascist

argentina is fun too, though

[pseudo raven]

Makes sense

[heavy vigil]

idk generic tree is relaxing

you know what foci to do and can just focus on the game

[pseudo raven]

I like new ways generic

It makes even worst minors playable

[icy crescent]

Generic Tree means, you don't start with huge debuffs and can do stuff early game.
(Let's not mention Bolivia)

[pseudo raven]

Yeah it make tank only Luxembourg op

[eternal palm]

💀

Mfw cut content

[pseudo raven]

What is best possible amount of factories for 1941 ussr?

[icy crescent]

I mean.
Bolivia can get somewhat nice leaders.
But there's where it pretty much ends.

[pseudo raven]

Like 150/150 civs/mils

[pseudo raven]

I hate playing south America

Just region sucks

And at some point fighting global superpowers

[icy crescent]

Yeah.
It really feels like SA didn't do much in WW2.
(Aside of Brazil)

[pseudo raven]

While being locked from Europe NA Asia

[opaque mulch]

brodie literally sold his eye to the devil for that attack and traits

[pseudo raven]

Like in hoi it gets content

But there's is feeling

That should be more

[eternal palm]

Mfw joined in 1942

[pseudo raven]

No adaptable?

[eternal palm]

😭

Holy slot waste

[icy crescent]

Yeah, naval support primarily.

The combined navy of Chile and Brazil is nice to have.
So that's sth.

[pseudo raven]

Yeah legendary Brazilian vessels supporting 2 hugest navies at the moment

[proud tapir]

Field Marshal Cassius Thundercock

"Supply? I dont speak german son."

[eternal palm]

The Germans didn't hear of supply neither

[pseudo raven]

They started noticing smth wrong only when got to deep into ussr

[proud tapir]

Rommel when he overruns his supply lines in AFRICA and then gets suprised when he gets his teeth kicked in 🤯🤯

[icy crescent]

Old screenshot.
But worth sharing once again.
Encircled the Amazonas.

[eternal palm]

Winter? What winter?

[pseudo raven]

Comrade Moroz

Kekw

Actually were area around Stalingrad really supplyless in irl history

[proud tapir]

"trust me,we just have to kick the door down and the whole struct-"

ARMY GROUP CENTER JUST GOT DESTROYED

[naive thunder]

Heyy bros

[pseudo raven]

Or that's just games design so Germany won't push to far

[pseudo raven]

Hi

[proud tapir]

In my games, Germany seems to be unable to push past Belarus

[tawdry nebula]

Good morning guys.

[naive thunder]

No way, kasane teto admirer

[pseudo raven]

Yes serving in Yugoslavian Fleet

[naive thunder]

Ohh

[pseudo raven]

That's why on right of my nickname vessel is burning

[naive thunder]

Do you really understand navy 😨😨

[pseudo raven]

I guess i can do the basis

[naive thunder]

Well, I suggest you play rule the waves 3

[pseudo raven]

And still trying to figure it deeper than spaming light cruisers

[proud tapir]

Play Hungary
Use axis membership to take your old territory trough diplomacy
Dont join the war against the allies
Tell Italy no to Dalmatia, cant do anything about it because you are in the axis

Another Magyar banger.

[tawdry nebula]

Of what nation?

[naive thunder]

I focus more on carriers

[pseudo raven]

Sweden kekw

[tawdry nebula]

I mean of what nation you are playing as.

Oh, ok.

[icy crescent]

Uralic Mastermind.

[eternal palm]

The notion of "supply" as it exists in hoi is extremely simplified

[proud tapir]

Throat singing to victory

[pseudo raven]

I think so

[tawdry nebula]

I honestly still have plan to play Sweden one day also in BICE.

[eternal palm]

"supply" wasn't some nebulous thing that you needed it was real food, ammunition, spare parts and so on

[pseudo raven]

Actually liked it more before railway system

[eternal palm]

And Russia didn't have many good roads, let alone a rail system the Germans could use

[naive thunder]

What's bice

[eternal palm]

Hence everything went by truck over Sand tracks

[proud tapir]

Black ice tries to make it more complex

[eternal palm]

Black ICE

[pseudo raven]

Not telling that railways suck, but just liked old one supply more

[tawdry nebula]

Yeah Black Ice.

[eternal palm]

Nah old system fking sucked

[naive thunder]

Wait lemme search it up

[eternal palm]

Supply was hard capped

That was dumb

[pseudo raven]

Logistic strikes worked more efficient

[eternal palm]

Red air force wasn't a thing until after Stalingrad

Or rather it started to contest during Stalingrad

[pseudo raven]

Got it

[proud tapir]

Im 1 dlc away from having all the major dlcs in hoi4

[naive thunder]

Broo this mod is genius

[pseudo raven]

I guess light cruisers are only option rn

For huge minors

[naive thunder]

I'm lazy to buy dlcs so I play mp

[tawdry nebula]

For me is 2, Trial of Allegiance and Graveyard of Empires.

[pseudo raven]

Like Sweden or China

[proud tapir]

Thats cool, paradox is a meanie anyways

[pseudo raven]

I consider goe useless

[tawdry nebula]

Why? Just for know.

[naive thunder]

Sweden can easily become major thoo

[proud tapir]

its like an abusive partner that still takes you out to romantic dinners

[naive thunder]

[pseudo raven]

It's my opinion I am not playing this region

[tawdry nebula]

Oh, ok I see.

[pseudo raven]

I ment like starting minors

China can become major even easier

[proud tapir]

oh those are the minor dlcs im missing

they will be bought later after arms against tyrany

tyranny

however u spell it

[tawdry nebula]

I miss those plus the new one that still need to come.

[proud tapir]

i cant wait for a Czechoslovak rework

[pseudo raven]

I guess i will buy it instantly

[tawdry nebula]

Tbh guys.

In my current Japan run I want to try to develop a nuke before the USA.

[pseudo raven]

Idk what alt path beside Panslavism they can add to it

Probably another Austria Hungary

[naive thunder]

This was like Stockholm a year ago

[pseudo raven]

Cool

[naive thunder]

Very cool 😎

[tawdry nebula]

You guys think I can do it?

Or no?

[icy crescent]

Yes.
Just get early facility and nuclear tech.

[tawdry nebula]

I will.

[pseudo raven]

View from my room btw

[proud tapir]

are u balkan?

[pseudo raven]

Stable from 1989

[proud tapir]

by any chance

[pseudo raven]

Baltics

Latvia, Salaspils city near Riga

[proud tapir]

3 letter diffirence, close enough

[pseudo raven]

Same Balkans but different sea

[proud tapir]

New dlc will have Australia !!!!
Down under lude remix on repeat 🔥 🙏

[pseudo raven]

Maybe wanting kill each other less then balkans

[proud tapir]

Baltics: Forest brothers

Balkans: Did.....did you just speak a language thats 85% similar to mine? 😡

[pseudo raven]

Yes

[knotty vortex]

whats the easiest way to win the spanish civil war

as the regional defence council

[pseudo raven]

Suffering

[knotty vortex]

i mean last time i did it

but it was like 1940

and i had 1 troop after the civil war

which in 1940

isnt great

[tawdry nebula]

One question guys.

[pseudo raven]

Basic spain

Not doing shi early

[knotty vortex]

lmao

i was wondering if theres a strategy or not

[lost dawn]

Not looking forward to having to invade Japan and Britain.

[tawdry nebula]

While playing as Japan you guys suggest to avoid have a 3 front war? I mean in Asia against British Raj, Pacific island hopping and the Soviet Union.

Or better I try?

[eternal palm]

Why are you fighting the Soviets

Maybe don't

[pseudo raven]

Find vids on yt

[tawdry nebula]

I'm not fighting the Soviet, I'm still in 1936 as I restarted yesterday and I was just curious.

[pseudo raven]

Soviet volunteers can ruin your run easily))

[eternal palm]

Yea don't fight a land war in siberia

[pseudo raven]

German one too

Italian too

[naive thunder]

Broo I'm Lithuanian

[pseudo raven]

Hi brother

[eternal palm]

Sooo swamp polish?

[naive thunder]

Polish my bro too