The red or green bubble?
#hoi4-general
wide blade
As a Cambodian, I’m worried at what might be coming. It’s been now 3 games in a row where an SEA rework where Cambodia, even if mostly untouched, was done poorly
ember totem
absolutely 0 online, wow
pale flare
what the hell did they feed to the czechs???
night wasp
how historical of you germany
worn coral
how you doing all that with 111 factories
mental mantle
Is 2x 4 infantry battalions with 1x 2 medium tank battalions with support art, aaa, field hospital good?
pseudo raven
Is 2x 4 infantry battalions with 1x 2 medium tank battalions with support art, a...
against ai everything works
if mp meta
i don't think it's good
pseudo raven
against ai everything works
just have at-least 9 inf battalions
cold mist
tawdry nebula
Depend on what you like more.
fair horizon
ngl i think goe is better
heavy vigil
Is 2x 4 infantry battalions with 1x 2 medium tank battalions with support art, a...
uh its okay?
its not good much less great
faint carbon
how historical of you germany
i mean in a hist germany run there is no point in not going for danzing for slovakia since poland will always say yes in historical, giving you Danzig for free and later receving west poland for free due to Molotov-ribbentrop (yes the soviet will attack poland). on top of that you reduce france and britain war support by 10 each and delay their mobilization since they won't be at war untill you attack the benelux
limber jackal
whats the best line infantry temp
magic aspen
gotta love when you go axis Britain for a nice easy game
and Germany is losing to Czechoslovakia
limber jackal
??
magic aspen
Germany also just declared on the baltics
because when you're losing the solution is obviously to open more fronts
heavy vigil
whats the best line infantry temp
like between 6 and 9 inf with ranger recon and supp arty
both supports at 9
only one at 6
magic aspen
why is Germany being so damn stupid
like train more than 70 divisions please
you are Germany
heavy vigil
germany has the best of the vanilla ai behaviours
limber jackal
hitler assassinated all the generals for not finding the ark of the covenant in egypt or sum and decided to show that he's superior and that his generals are awful cowards
magic aspen
apparently not this game
heavy vigil
they still do
magic aspen
they don't though
heavy vigil
theyre just not designed to fight czechs
magic aspen
they are losing to a minor
heavy vigil
happens
limber jackal
cant you just paradrop czechs and win easily
heavy vigil
ai civgreeds
magic aspen
I'm barely holding the line in france
limber jackal
they def dont have enough divs to defend a paratroop invasion
limber jackal
I'm barely holding the line in france
if you're losing by france in vanilla hoi4 you've got bigger problems
than germany
undone dove
wtf is this it started showing when i switch windows after i launched hoi4
magic aspen
they're not even fighting on the forts for me the most part because the czechs pushed them back
limber jackal
then get your tank divs and push them back??
magic aspen
if you're losing by france in vanilla hoi4 you've got bigger problems
yeah I'm not great at the game and I know that
undone dove
nvm it disappear
limber jackal
me neither
magic aspen
I'm not Germany
heavy vigil
yeah I'm not great at the game and I know that
france is the number #1 most pushover country in vanilla
limber jackal
you are in the axis tho
limber jackal
france is the number #1 most pushover country in vanilla
agreed
heavy vigil
you could sneeze on them and theyd cap
limber jackal
sheeps mod france is scary tho
magic aspen
right and I'm using all my forces in France and can't afford to send any of them to Germany
magic aspen
I did
magic aspen
I have no fuel
heavy vigil
buy some
also you have 3 inf vs 1 inf and a "tank"
click that tile
you will push
magic aspen
good call
heavy vigil
when you see a french tank div in a tile, its weaker than an infantry unit
when its vanilla ai
limber jackal
twin
magic aspen
good to know
limber jackal
upgrade ur railroads
clear hornet
anyone wanna play hoi4 multiplayer???
limber jackal
and mechanize or however its called the supply coming from ports
magic aspen
oh yeah I forgot to do that
clear hornet
anyone wanna play hoi4 multiplayer???
?
limber jackal
you can encircle la rochelle easily
magic aspen
I was doing that but then they pushed back hard
heavy vigil
then walk where there are no units
clear hornet
np
heavy vigil
in war you want to avoid combat
limber jackal
im 400 hours in
heavy vigil
when do i get good at hoi4 status
when youre as good as sheep
heavy vigil
the player
limber jackal
so never
magic aspen
I originally landed in Calais and Cherburg, took the east coast but then got pushed all the way back here from Calais
heavy vigil
you just need to spot weak points
attack and encircle
kill
this is micro but also macro issue
magic aspen
I've been trying but they keep breaking out of encirclements
heavy vigil
you wouldnt have to look for weak spots if you had overwhelming CAS
magic aspen
I find it so hard to try to keep up with everything I need to do
like I focus on political stuff and I end up forgetting things like motorizing my supply
and I don't know what to prioritize with industry
limber jackal
i mean
heavy vigil
I find it so hard to try to keep up with everything I need to do
pause
play low speed
magic aspen
I do pause a lot
limber jackal
lower ur speed
magic aspen
it's not really the game going too fast
magic aspen
the game speed is fine, I just forget to interact with certain systems
because there's so much to do
just something that will come with more practice with the game
limber jackal
man
i think what i was experiencing 30 hours ago was the dunning-kreuger effect
i thought i was genuinely good at hoi4
magic aspen
is this ok as my main infantry
limber jackal
and only now do i realize that im genuinely awful
limber jackal
is this ok as my main infantry
never put training on infinite
infantry is fine tho
magic aspen
ok
heavy vigil
and only now do i realize that im genuinely awful
im also awful its alright
limber jackal
how many hours?
magic aspen
200
heavy vigil
how many hours?
me or him
limber jackal
you
heavy vigil
uuuhh
magic aspen
I also tend to get really frustrated when I ask for help and people respond with "oh that's really easy" cause no offense, but I wouldn't be asking if it was easy for me
limber jackal
makes sense
limber jackal
dawg what
magic aspen
lol
heavy vigil
i love japan
limber jackal
god
magic aspen
I mean most nations in this game boil down to a lot of the same things with different flavor text on top
limber jackal
i dont think im ever going to be able to play a hoi4 mp game without getting permanently banned for being awful or getting thrown slurs at
heavy vigil
I mean most nations in this game boil down to a lot of the same things with diff...
nah
japan is a lot more to do
magic aspen
I'll play a mp game with you and not do any of that ink
heavy vigil
gotta do collabs in time, army setup, china war in time
then you gotta get ready for allied war
limber jackal
id play an mp game with you and be chill pyro
magic aspen
but I warn you I'm bad lol
heavy vigil
produce million planes
limber jackal
im good at sp
magic aspen
I'm down to play right now if you want
limber jackal
id get thrown off a bridge or get called racial slurs
or get called a sub-human slav by some national socialist
if i were in mp tho
magic aspen
that's not great
limber jackal
im down to play tho
magic aspen
hell yeah
limber jackal
lemme just switch to the most recent version cause i wanted to try sheeps
magic aspen
all good
magic aspen
sure
sudden thistle
i dont think im ever going to be able to play a hoi4 mp game without getting per...
Just like don’t be bad
Ez win
limber jackal
of what
magic aspen
not being bad lol
limber jackal
🤔
limber jackal
Just lock in
im genuinely gonna reinforce meme your house
trust
yeah im gonna just put it in here to see what happens
magic aspen
heavy vigil
how can i not be bad
@drowsy arrow managed it
limber jackal
could they teach me their ways
heavy vigil
finland is a good learner country
heavy vigil
you learn combat modifiers, dealing with eco and manpower restrictions
you can def win and its not overwhelming to learn
its also free content
noble crown
I honestly prefer making small countries into big countries: poland, brazil, germany mainly. Those arent too bad to learn with either.
noble crown
Plus the random stuff that happens in ahistorical can help or hindrr, too: during a poland run germany finally declared in 1942, giving me plenty of time, and the uk still guaranteed.
sudden thistle
I honestly prefer making small countries into big countries: poland, brazil, ger...
Germany isn’t a small country 💔
limber jackal
yeah
ngl
germany is too op in hoi4
it was way way worse irl
entire economy relied on a ponzi scheme or sum
noble crown
Germany isn’t a small country 💔
Well, true, but i love forming the eu or the hre. Hitler sucks, though, imo
sudden thistle
germany is too op in hoi4
It’s just bloat
noble crown
entire economy relied on a ponzi scheme or sum
"Tower of basel," or basil published 2015 talks about the money gsme tye bank for international settlements did during those times.
limber jackal
wdym bloat
only thing realistic about hoi4 germany is that its economy collapses after some time if you fail to win the war quickly
sudden thistle
wdym bloat
- bonuses
Like div attack
Supply consumption
Consumer goods
Factory output
limber jackal
ohhh
sudden thistle
Etc etc
heavy vigil
woof
wicked glacier
i made germany to strong man....
undone dove
oh god czechia
fair horizon
Germany isn’t a small country 💔
Its small compared to mine
heavy vigil
Germany isn’t a small country 💔
it is
languid fiber
youre wrong
no im not
sharp sierra
prove it
undone dove
and romania got piece of bulgaria?XD
puppets
languid fiber
prove it
population +80 million and 357,000 sq km and big economy is not a small country
sharp sierra
but kenya has 580k square kilometers and 40 million people
languid fiber
but kenya has 580k square kilometers and 40 million people
ye but in how much of that sq km you can actually live
sharp sierra
do u think kenya is just a worthless desert
languid fiber
i puppeted them cuz czechia doesnt have the manpower to occupy them
it kinda does but you need to get more recrutiable pop
restore A-H
and you get plenty of it
XD
languid fiber
do u think kenya is just a worthless desert
well there can be much of area that you cant live in
there is much of this area in africa
sharp sierra
but obanna was from there
languid fiber
who?
sharp sierra
obamna
sharp sierra
modern political figures arent allowed apparently
languid fiber
oh make sense i think
heavy vigil
do u think kenya is just a worthless desert
europeans
unreal mica
no thats hungary
mental mantle
Why?
tawdry nebula
I wanted the dlc.
solid bane
How can I see which states are my core?
There's apparently a core state I don't own, but I have no idea what.
lost dawn
This is probably my largest encirclement to date.
slim nexus
67
eternal aspen
Wsg
eternal aspen
This is probably my largest encirclement to date.
Did they do unholy alliance?
Why is communist russia and nazi Germany working together otherwise
umbral agate
what does germany get cores on through the reichskommissariats?
i only know about volga germany and slovakia
nimble turret
how do naval invasions work this new patch?
i have a fleet patrolling but i cant send an invasion on Norway
trim lotus
"Belgium has capitulated!"
Could they not have held out for another couple weeks? I have successfully pulled some sort of reverse Schlieffen and am actively going west down the northern coast to envelop much of the German army.
lost dawn
Did they do unholy alliance?
The Japanese went Monarchist so they joined the axis and attacked the Russians only the Russians were having a civil war. So the Japanese, instead of attacking the Soviet Union, attacked the other Russian state. Because the soviets were, from that point on, at war with the same country as the axis..... they joined.
Great Britain also made a pact with Germany and joined the axis.
I have been struggling as the sole independent major power for years now.
lost dawn
Why is communist russia and nazi Germany working together otherwise
And it is not looking that bad anymore.
True... the Japanese did rise up after I had previously capitulated them with several nukes. But this is still manageable
hardy marlin
And it is not looking that bad anymore.
how does this genuinely happen
are you playing last stand of freedom or somethn
arctic nest
And it is not looking that bad anymore.
the army split looks like ai lol
lost dawn
the army split looks like ai lol
Look at the colours
Well... most of the army colours
I have given them the red white and blue colours
arctic nest
french high command
arctic nest
then why is there a french flag lol
lost dawn
french high command
You do realize that the Dutch, French and American flags all have similar colours?
arctic nest
dawng
arctic nest
You do realize that the Dutch, French and American flags all have similar colour...
huh
its the dutch
diffrent
nvm
trim lotus
Huh. My weird reverse-Schlieffen wound up with maybe 15 German divisions making a last stand in... Luxembourg. Well, guess they're un-capitulated now.
sudden thistle
I have given them the red white and blue colours
Isn’t that that afghan flag
prime totem
hello guys im new
lost dawn
hello guys im new
Hello New! You may call me Tog or Toggo
prime totem
Hello New! You may call me Tog or Toggo
alr man
prime totem
dont play this game
i know its like 100 dollars or somethin man
arctic nest
lol
sudden thistle
i know its like 100 dollars or somethin man
Like 130?
sudden thistle
Eu4 is like $400-500
tepid fog
Can someone help me with the naval invading cause I havent played since the latest update and something isnt working
quasi osprey
wind salmon
just a question , when i invade ethipoia as italy in the start the game it doesn't give me any conference , and i get stuck in a infinite war with them even though the game says they capitulated , is this a bug ?
tepid fog
Kinda
You have to capitulate them till april or may
cause you are in infinity war and you dont get peace conference
tepid fog
just a question , when i invade ethipoia as italy in the start the game it doesn...
so simply restart the run
wind salmon
or not play italy at all
tepid fog
Yeah😂
Italy is fun to restore THE ROMAN EMPIRE
I done this once but its pain in the ass
wind salmon
Can someone help me with the naval invading cause I havent played since the late...
1 u have to gain naval domenance in the british canal 2- give a general few marin divistion and choose the naval invasion (make sure u don't choose over the limit of how many u units u can put other ways the invasion won't start)3- wait untile that vartical bar on the general icon is full 4- launch the invasion
jaunty heath
is this enough range?
wind salmon
and yes don't forget to set a task force with big guns in naval invasion support to help with that
tepid fog
1 u have to gain naval domenance in the british canal 2- give a general few mari...
I killed their navy but I just dont get naval dominance
wind salmon
you have to set a task force in patrol mission on the british chennel
if you hover over it you will see the number of dominance increasing
wind salmon
u have 0
proud tapir
Germans want me to join the war mid-late 1940 after giving soviets even more prep time. Lol, lmao even. Good luck, i will be happy to send volounteers on the sidelines 
paper echo
using navy after this dlc is worthless.just use paratroopers
wind salmon
which port your navy is based at ?
lost dawn
💀
proud tapir
using navy after this dlc is worthless.just use paratroopers
i always use paratroopers, not enough time to build a navy
paper echo
i always use paratroopers, not enough time to build a navy
i used to build a navy before the dlc
proud tapir
i always use paratroopers, not enough time to build a navy
by the i would build a navy to rival the royal navy, i gave the allies extra prep time
i perfer an early blitz with a pure air focus to paradrop into the UK and cap the allies early
paper echo
i used to build a navy before the dlc
i mean now i build but i dont naval invade
proud tapir
i perfer an early blitz with a pure air focus to paradrop into the UK and cap th...
then i can focus everything on the USSR
urban flower
its gonna soak you money away
there are ways to avoid it
i advise against them in principle
Like Paraslop please fix your DLCs. Anyone can just toggle them on for free
0 Piracy prevention
tepid fog
which port your navy is based at ?
nevermind
sharp sierra
did sinkiang always have this many victory points
elder cosmos
is thunder at our gates a siam only update?
tawdry nebula
I honestly already like a lot No Compromise, No Surrender.
elder cosmos
I honestly already like a lot No Compromise, No Surrender.
besides the price its a great dlc in my opinion
sudden thistle
is thunder at our gates a siam only update?
No
Australia, New Zealand
And I think indonesia?
eternal aspen
is thunder at our gates a siam only update?
Might be Indochina
Because PDX doesnt just do one country/state
sudden thistle
They announced everything in that dlc like 3-4 months ago
keen imp
A Oceania/South east Asia update has been needed for a long time, it's great to see it finally happen even through I think other countries are more in need of an update rn
eternal aspen
I feel like Russia needs content more than Siam, Siam didnt even play that vital of a role in the grand scheme of things
sharp sierra
is thunder at our gates a siam only update?
eternal aspen
Other than the franco-siamese war of 1941, where Japan took Vietnam and Siam took inner Indochina, Siam played a similar role to Italy
keen imp
I feel like Russia needs content more than Siam, Siam didnt even play that vital...
America, Britain and France desperately need an overhaul, their focus trees are so outdated compared to Germany or China
eternal aspen
Well germany and china just got content
UK + Canada, USA, and USSR would make a great DLC for "allied great powers" or something along those lines, let alone just the Atlantic allies
France kinda had content post Annexation, but it could be a lot bigger, for both Vichy and free
keen imp
Maybe a Mediterranean update could be next
Spain+Italy+Turkey+Greece (and some others) would be great
sudden thistle
I feel like Russia needs content more than Siam, Siam didnt even play that vital...
What
Russia is completely fine
They have lots of content
keen imp
Maybe we could also get some content for French/English colonies in the Levant
eternal aspen
They have lots of content
Most of it is rubbish
sudden thistle
UK + Canada, USA, and USSR would make a great DLC for "allied great powers" or s...
Paradox would never release a single dlc on that
It’s too big
sudden thistle
Spain+Italy+Turkey+Greece (and some others) would be great
There are 3 dlc spread between those 4
keen imp
Russia is completely fine
It feels out of place, imo it needs to be caught up with Germany and east Asia
eternal aspen
You have maybe 20 focuses for the communist paths that arent civil war/paranoia, then a handful for recovery
sudden thistle
It feels out of place, imo it needs to be caught up with Germany and east Asia
Compare the date of when no step back came out compared to the German/east Asia dlc
signal oracle
Yo help me balance my budget 🙏
sudden thistle
Yo help me balance my budget 🙏
Why is ur tax 0%
eternal aspen
Plus the comintern could be updated to be for the monarchy and communist, since the idea of unity among one ideology could still fit in a post-monaechy world
keen imp
Yo help me balance my budget 🙏
How is your defence that high lmao
dusky burrow
using navy after this dlc is worthless.just use paratroopers
i mean i still use navy
signal oracle
How is your defence that high lmao
I think I broke it
paper echo
i mean i still use navy
me too but i use it less
dusky burrow
Yo help me balance my budget 🙏
the defense rip
paper echo
now i avoid naval invading
dusky burrow
i definitely still naval invade
keen imp
I think I broke it
Just restart atp, it's probably a bug with the mod
paper echo
this dlc made me use paratroopers which im not fond of
signal oracle
My brother, how the actual hell am I supposed to do anything now
eternal aspen
Spain+Italy+Turkey+Greece (and some others) would be great
Turkey, Yugoslavia, Greece, and Egypt, maje that one 30USD dlc, and Spain, italy, and France in a country pack
paper echo
i definitely still naval invade
i hate that they made 1 unit naval invasions 40 days
signal oracle
2 trillion per week 🙏 , that's my GDP 😭
keen imp
Turkey, Yugoslavia, Greece, and Egypt, maje that one 30USD dlc, and Spain, italy...
I would be happy with that too
signal oracle
ion get it, I have like 700 planes 💀
dusky burrow
i hate that they made 1 unit naval invasions 40 days
The thing is that you can add or subtract any amount of units (as long as there is still one) and that timer will no longer change
eternal aspen
I would be happy with that too
It would give more historical content for older DLC countries, but also add Egypt as a vassal like what was historical, alongside the bonus of having a fun time not playing a pyramid in disguise (turkey focus tree)
paper echo
The thing is that you can add or subtract any amount of units (as long as there ...
they ruined naval invasion imo
wide pebble
is arms against tyranny a good dlc?
paper echo
i get it that people cheesed them but at least make it so if you make ONLY 1 unit naval invasion the timer is a week
paper echo
is arms against tyranny a good dlc?
it is but which ones do you have right now
eternal aspen
Greenland isnt Danish, it isnt yankee soil, Greenland is actually an unrecognized state of Albania
wide pebble
by blood alone and man the guns
paper echo
by blood alone and man the guns
get no step back
wide pebble
why?
keen imp
is arms against tyranny a good dlc?
It was fun for a bit but other nations outshine still
wide pebble
ok thanks
paper echo
after that get arms against tyranny
wide pebble
ill do that
signal oracle
I let a few days pass and the defence has fixed itself but the debt ain't looking too good
anyway I can like
default or smthn 💀
dusky burrow
they ruined naval invasion imo
They just made you do more tricks around it
paper echo
also i hate the dominance thing
azure dagger
My brother, how the actual hell am I supposed to do anything now
bro what
how did you managed to do this
signal oracle
how did you managed to do this
Bug
paper echo
also i hate the dominance thing
from this dlc i DESPISE coal and any navy related thing
signal oracle
defence spending went to quadrillions for a few days for no reason
paper echo
also they made the map brighter and i hate it
paper echo
also they made the map brighter and i hate it
ruins the tno-tfr vibe
signal oracle
Anyone familiar with MD know how I can like default on this loan?
green lodge
Anyone familiar with MD know how I can like default on this loan?
M what
green lodge
What
sudden thistle
Would u guys fw purple Japan
wide pebble
what path for italy is the best?
signal oracle
Would u guys fw purple Japan
Japan is red
sharp sierra
japan should be mint green
quasi shoal
what path for italy is the best?
I enjoy the historical path
eternal aspen
For multiplayer, what do enemy Intel divisions look like?
Are they obviously not real? Or can you not tell the difference
clever shuttle
what amount of organisation is usually good when building high soft attack artillery divisions?
prime totem
MD is millenium dawn
ngl i prefer novum vexillium more
eternal aspen
what amount of organisation is usually good when building high soft attack artil...
Just make an infantry division with artillery, that way they have reliable org
Do like 6/8 or something, but make sure theyre identifiable as non-frontline units
clever shuttle
Just make an infantry division with artillery, that way they have reliable org
bro stop trolling im trying to ask for help
quasi shoal
what amount of organisation is usually good when building high soft attack artil...
sp artillery or regular artillery
quasi shoal
bro stop trolling im trying to ask for help
they're not trolling?
that's good advice, line art is not very good
eternal aspen
bro stop trolling im trying to ask for help
Im being fr, regular towed artillery is so absolutely garbage you might as well have sticks and stones
They wont survive even a single battle as the attacker
And if the enemy tries to push? Say goodbye to those units
quasi shoal
Im being fr, regular towed artillery is so absolutely garbage you might as well ...
it's not absolutely garbage
eternal aspen
Alone they are, iirc they have like 36 org for 9 artillery without support, by 1942 those are equal to a 1 inf division
clever shuttle
im asking for the amount of org of an division with infantry and artillery, why yall talking about SPA and them
prime totem
yo guys which one is better,20 bit infantry,25 bit infantry or 30 bit infantry?
eternal aspen
im asking for the amount of org of an division with infantry and artillery, why ...
Because it matters for if you use Towed artillery or SPG
languid patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvt6TcP4QeE&t=1467s what is the song at 32 minutes
clever shuttle
it's not absolutely garbage
its the best defending in the game
clever shuttle
Because it matters for if you use Towed artillery or SPG
towed ig
eternal aspen
Towed you'll wanna try for around 60 organization at least
quick thistle
yo guys which one is better,20 bit infantry,25 bit infantry or 30 bit infantry?
36 width for pushing and 18 for defense
eternal aspen
a mech wall is the best defense in the game lmao
Mech with an SPG and SPAT
quasi shoal
Alone they are, iirc they have like 36 org for 9 artillery without support, by 1...
oh yeah definitely alone
quasi shoal
its the best defending in the game
it's not
clever shuttle
a mech wall is the best defense in the game lmao
no defense, org and hp does nothing against high soft attack
prime totem
36 width for pushing and 18 for defense
thanks
lost dawn
When will this end? I normally do not complain when making an encirclement but now.... I have made so many. It is not een fun anymore
quick thistle
no defense, org and hp does nothing against high soft attack
put in an armor meme
eternal aspen
no defense, org and hp does nothing against high soft attack
None of that matters against a little armour...
quick thistle
ai will never push you
quasi shoal
no defense, org and hp does nothing against high soft attack
this is not true
clever shuttle
Towed you'll wanna try for around 60 organization at least
damnnn
eternal aspen
Soft attack isnt that good, soft attack deals damage against sift targets, hard attack against armour
Soft targets are anything that isnt in a truck
clever shuttle
no one plays armour in ai
quick thistle
no defense, org and hp does nothing against high soft attack
um what? no org lmao?
let me load up the game real quick
prime totem
When will this end? I normally do not complain when making an encirclement but n...
goddamn thats a ton of divs.
quasi shoal
it is
high soft attack is as good against high defense as low soft attack is to low defense
eternal aspen
The Ai plays armour, not good but it'd defend against artillery
You'd be better off spending those military factories on planes instead of more arty
lost dawn
goddamn thats a ton of divs.
I need to kill a lot more of them if I am to win this match
clever shuttle
um what? no org lmao?
i meant that division sthat solelyt focus on org,hp and defense isntead of soft attack is useless against an high soft attack unit. if armored then just use tank
clever shuttle
high soft attack is as good against high defense as low soft attack is to low de...
defense does nothing
eternal aspen
Alr bro gg
quasi shoal
i meant that division sthat solelyt focus on org,hp and defense isntead of soft ...
if the defense is high enough to meet the soft attack, then it's not useless
I don't remember the exact numbers, but the concept remains the same
eternal aspen
Im not gonna keep going with someone who does not wish for our advice and is arguing against all advice we are giving
clever shuttle
if the defense is high enough to meet the soft attack, then it's not useless
i know that, and the defense is already super high in every division so there is no need to max it more
prime totem
I need to kill a lot more of them if I am to win this match
holy thats so many deaths
clever shuttle
Im not gonna keep going with someone who does not wish for our advice and is arg...
no i seriously want help
lost dawn
holy thats so many deaths
I've had to fight Britain, Germany, the Soviet Union, Italy and Japan since rather early on in the game.
sharp sierra
no i seriously want help
but u just think ur right
quasi shoal
no i seriously want help
the help I am saying is:
if you wanna attack, sp art is always better
if you wanna defend, mecha is better, inf is wayyyy cheaper
lost dawn
I am the only major power in the faction.
prime totem
I've had to fight Britain, Germany, the Soviet Union, Italy and Japan since rath...
is it multiplayer or?
lost dawn
is it multiplayer or?
Single
clever shuttle
if i want an towed artillery and infantry division high softattack with like 35 W then what org should i have
quasi shoal
I've had to fight Britain, Germany, the Soviet Union, Italy and Japan since rath...
have you been running pure inf force attack pushes tho???
quasi shoal
if i want an towed artillery and infantry division high softattack with like 35 ...
is it for defense or for attacking
quick thistle
this is with no doctrine grind.
quasi shoal
iirc for defense around 45+ is good
lost dawn
have you been running pure inf force attack pushes tho???
I am not really a tanks guy
eternal aspen
if i want an towed artillery and infantry division high softattack with like 35 ...
I would say, for a Frontline division you should try for 35w or 85-100 org, as close to those as possible
quasi shoal
I am not really a tanks guy
quick thistle
this is with no doctrine grind.
mech wall is the best defensive div you can get
quasi shoal
come on dude 😭
lost dawn
<:nicebro:1054028891968253963>
I do use amph tanks for island hopping
clever shuttle
but u just think ur right
no i took the advice of building defensive high org divisons last game it dit not work , with a couple of germanys panzer division rthey got through ny my division low amount of attack
quasi shoal
no i took the advice of building defensive high org divisons last game it dit no...
are you playing sovs
clever shuttle
is meta
no it will give an debuff and line artilerry 1942 can easlily take this one
quasi shoal
no it will give an debuff and line artilerry 1942 can easlily take this one
no?????
clever shuttle
are you playing sovs
czechoslovakia commie
quick thistle
no it will give an debuff and line artilerry 1942 can easlily take this one
line arty will not push that div
lmao
clever shuttle
more soft attack
quasi shoal
line art prolly doesn't even give enough piercing
clever shuttle
wait maybe ur guys aree right because mech needs tank or antitank to push through due to their amount of hardness
lost dawn
have you been running pure inf force attack pushes tho???
Not the best at creating divisions. It does the job I suppose...
quasi shoal
if anything it's not even a majorly important stat
quasi shoal
wait maybe ur guys aree right because mech needs tank or antitank to push throug...
also cuz line art has like 0 breakthrough
signal oracle
Yeah yeah
clever shuttle
also cuz line art has like 0 breakthrough
but how is breaktrhough that important?
quick thistle
but how is breaktrhough that important?
because it prevents your div from taking damage when it attacks
lost dawn
Axis bros....
quasi shoal
Not the best at creating divisions. It does the job I suppose...
i'd swap maintenance company for field hospitals in the future
quasi shoal
but how is breaktrhough that important?
breakthrough is like defense for attacking
lost dawn
i'd swap maintenance company for field hospitals in the future
Perhaps.
Thanks for the advice
quasi shoal
that's why tanks are so amazing at pushing
craggy dove
concentrated or dispursed?
quasi shoal
they usually have high breakthrough
clever shuttle
because it prevents your div from taking damage when it attacks
yeah but high soft attack is alright if ur breaktrhough low
quasi shoal
concentrated or dispursed?
industry?
lost dawn
but these inf boys have been holding the line and pushing for me.
clever shuttle
but guys what do you defend with before 1940 acces to mech?
lost dawn
Since I am the USA manpower is not really a concern
quasi shoal
but guys what do you defend with before 1940 acces to mech?
get mechs earlier
wayyy earlier
and infantry
clever shuttle
infantry?
quasi shoal
cuz line art is kinda crap and no ai is ever making 36 width good line art
quick thistle
but guys what do you defend with before 1940 acces to mech?
motorized would even be fine
like here
high soft
quasi shoal
motorized would even be fine
no
quick thistle
high break
quasi shoal
motorized is like worse than infantry in most cases
quick thistle
oh my god
clever shuttle
no but i mean something with high hardness
clever shuttle
motorized would even be fine
fuel
quasi shoal
this is a good div
quick thistle
this will literally break anything
quasi shoal
no but i mean something with high hardness
you can get a tank div like what they showed above before war if you're germany
lost dawn
goddamn thats a ton of divs.
quasi shoal
if you want smth with high hardness you can just make basic medium tanks
lost dawn
This is many more divs
quick thistle
or army meme
quasi shoal
this will literally break anything
if you're extra broke you can even use cav
but atp just dont make tanks
and use like armored cars or sumn 😭 ✌️
quick thistle
but atp just dont make tanks
basically yes
clever shuttle
you can get a tank div like what they showed above before war if you're germany
yeah, btw do the ai usually build high hardness divisions?
quick thistle
yeah, btw do the ai usually build high hardness divisions?
no
quasi shoal
use air and rangers
lost dawn
use air and rangers
I do
quasi shoal
yeah, btw do the ai usually build high hardness divisions?
practically never
quick thistle
but you can just make a heavy td with high hardness and piercing
lost dawn
though I find air to be tedious
quick thistle
and it will break anything they make
clever shuttle
is air superotity that important?
quasi shoal
is air superotity that important?
yes
and that's why support AA is important
it can reduce cas damage by 66%
quick thistle
cas got triple buffed. you can literally push with cas planes alone
clever shuttle
should i first focus on building fighters or like good soft attack divisions?
quasi shoal
any AA after support aa is just to kill more stuff
quick thistle
should i first focus on building fighters or like good soft attack divisions?
well having green air is important but im not sure that the czechs will ever be able to outcompete germany in air production
quasi shoal
should i first focus on building fighters or like good soft attack divisions?
as who
clever shuttle
czheckoslovakia
quasi shoal
high soft attack is sort of important
quick thistle
unless you do alternate path
quasi shoal
but good defense almost always comes first
start out by building a good infantry defense force
then build smth to push
clever shuttle
but like we say an other country, do yall focus on just good attack divisions with aa support companies or fighters?
quasi shoal
like tanks or mecha or armored cars
quick thistle
like this would be fine
quasi shoal
but like we say an other country, do yall focus on just good attack divisions wi...
you can do both
easily on any major
clever shuttle
yea
quasi shoal
like this would be fine
except I wouldn't use armored support comps
why motorized AA tho?
i've never tried it
quick thistle
except I wouldn't use armored support comps
what?
they are broken
with the doctrines
quasi shoal
they are broken
but czechs are broke, no?
clever shuttle
but dont it take years to like buidl an airforce as an minor?
quasi shoal
but dont it take years to like buidl an airforce as an minor?
maybe not years
definitely a year maybe 2
quasi shoal
worse but not awful
do you think the sp art could be cheaper
6-9k ic is kinda a lot right
esp if you want enough to push ger
clever shuttle
thats with doctrines grinded
like the artillery one? i did not remember name
quick thistle
do you think the sp art could be cheaper
thats the design i was using
no ic reduction or mio's
quasi shoal
oh yeah you can def make that 100000x cheaper
quick thistle
was just testing base stats
clever shuttle
but is it not best to build an great defense force and then fully focus on airforce because the cas is op?
quasi shoal
but is it not best to build an great defense force and then fully focus on airfo...
this would be true normally
but you're up against germany
tawdry nebula
I want to check on thing in Vanilla.
clever shuttle
this would be true normally
they kinda ass
they get soviet union, france, romania, poland and uk on their ass
amber zealot
40% reliability
quasi shoal
you can try it but i'd just build tanks
quasi shoal
40% reliability
not a huge deal
amber zealot
what does reliability affect
clever shuttle
is late game hoi4 even possible i dont understand like 1950 and all
amber zealot
i always make my tanks 85+
clever shuttle
i was austria hungary and was fighting the allies but there was so many division and did not know what to do
quasi shoal
i always make my tanks 85+
iirc that's kinda overkill
I haven't read into reliability in a while but from what I remember above 50 is fine
quick thistle
what does reliability affect
you lose equipment when attritioning
if you are avoiding bad terrain and low supply
reliability doesnt matter
clever shuttle
if you are avoiding bad terrain and low supply
whats bad terrain?
quasi shoal
since they lead straight into german plains iirc, and as long as you don't overload the front you'll be good
amber zealot
you lose equipment when attritioning
does that affect hp
quasi shoal
whats bad terrain?
mountains, deserts, rainforests, tundras etc.
clever shuttle
ahh yea
quick thistle
whats bad terrain?
for tanks and most divisions mountains, marshes, etc.
quick thistle
does that affect hp
reliability
clever shuttle
but how do you do lategame n hoi4?
quasi shoal
does that affect hp
sort of?
quick thistle
?
amber zealot
reliability
losing equipment
quasi shoal
but how do you do lategame n hoi4?
pray you prepped well in early and mid game
quick thistle
losing equipment
yes
amber zealot
from attrition
quick thistle
but if you are pushing and microing correctly it wont really matter
clever shuttle
pray you prepped well in early and mid game
can mechanized like an 70 width good mech division hold of an one frontline plain for example?
quick thistle
least not on germany where you have diamler mio
quick thistle
can mechanized like an 70 width good mech division hold of an one frontline plai...
dont go over 36 in 99% of cases
you get a penatly for overstacking on the tile
clever shuttle
i meant like two 35
quasi shoal
can mechanized like an 70 width good mech division hold of an one frontline plai...
70??!?!
oh
clever shuttle
no two 35 divisions
quasi shoal
can mechanized like an 70 width good mech division hold of an one frontline plai...
in late game? depends on the air
prolly not
I'd bet you'd need one maybe 2 more
clever shuttle
huh really?
quasi shoal
huh really?
idrk
I try not to play into lategame
cuz it gets really laggy and kinda boring
clever shuttle
because they dont make many tanks and them u said
worthy rover
cuz it gets really laggy and kinda boring
How is it boring dude
quick thistle
i never play past 1946
worthy rover
Constant battling is hardly boring
clever shuttle
its kinda fun tho
quasi shoal
How is it boring dude
really laggy
quasi shoal
Constant battling is hardly boring
it kinda is
clever shuttle
good pc
worthy rover
but the front goes nowhere
Then your doing something wrong
quasi shoal
but the front goes nowhere
and when it does go somewhere it goes so fast that it's boring
quick thistle
so fun to play when so many countries have factory counts to be major and the AI has max grinded doctrines so they put out a million undersupplied divisions but the reinforce rate is so high that it takes forever to push
quasi shoal
Then your doing something wrong
you're doing something wrong to get to 1950+ in the first place
world conquest before then is simple
lost dawn
I feel like opening a front in Asia so that the Axis will be forced to pull troops away from other fronts
worthy rover
you're doing something wrong to get to 1950+ in the first place
Never got to 1950+ in my life
lost dawn
Siberia should do nicely
worthy rover
1942+ is endgame
clever shuttle
thank you oliver and era fr help
quasi shoal
Never got to 1950+ in my life
I have once
clever shuttle
oliver are u swedish?
quasi shoal
oliver are u swedish?
no
worthy rover
Once all the main powers are gone its done
quick thistle
when i started
quasi shoal
where u from
us
quasi shoal
Once all the main powers are gone its done
yes
unless you tryna do full world conquest
worthy rover
No point conquering all the minors
clever shuttle
ok bro us great people bad leader
quick thistle
im from us as well
worthy rover
unless you tryna do full world conquest
Whats your favourite nation?
quasi shoal
Whats your favourite nation?
hungary
clever shuttle
im from us as well
nice
quasi shoal
I like their tree
quasi shoal
ok bro us great people bad leader
yes but no politics here
quick thistle
in terms of tree design i think germany is the best cause its most fun. but outside of that i'd say soviets and poland
poland has a lot of fun alt hist paths
clever shuttle
mine is afghanistan very easy to understand
quick thistle
mine is afghanistan very easy to understand
despair
worthy rover
in terms of tree design i think germany is the best cause its most fun. but outs...
Germany is geared towards rapid growth tbf so its never boring
worthy rover
Germany the most beginner friendly
quasi shoal
Only for austria hungary tho honestly
I like all of it
tawdry nebula
I guess this should work for the Nakajima G10N Fugaku?
quick thistle
tree has a lost of mechanics
quasi shoal
I guess this should work for the Nakajima G10N Fugaku?
huh
worthy rover
except for like democratic king
If we dont include austria hungary I like netherlands
quasi shoal
If we dont include austria hungary I like netherlands
I haven't played them yet
I will soon though
quasi shoal
Difficult tho
I might wait til indonesia tree
quasi shoal
It's pretty much this one.
do you need the camera
worthy rover
I might wait til indonesia tree
I dont really use indonesia until germany is dying
quasi shoal
also hover over strat bombing
quasi shoal
I dont really use indonesia until germany is dying
yeah ofc
worthy rover
Then I start upgrading indonesia and prepare it for annexation
quasi shoal
but there's gonna be an indonesia tree in the next dlc
so it might be more useful in the future
tawdry nebula
also hover over strat bombing
Not really if the B-29 used them.
worthy rover
Cool so netherlands indirect buff
tawdry nebula
100% the one that passed over Shinano.
quasi shoal
Cool so netherlands indirect buff
maybe
worthy rover
The netherlands focuses regarding indonesia are already great
quasi shoal
or maybe a nerf since on ahist they might declare independence often
worthy rover
You get a whole bunch of factories, free integration and permanent army buffa
tawdry nebula
But yeah I'm honestly happy with No Compromise, No Surrender, Götterdämmerung and Prototype Vehicle dlc I bought today.
pastel olive
Do we think we’ll ever get an overhaul for aircraft and their mechanics as we just did with naval and upcoming to tanks/armour?
quasi shoal
Do we think we’ll ever get an overhaul for aircraft and their mechanics as we ju...
huh
oh
yeah prolly
the upcoming land "overhaul" stuff isn't really to armor tho right
trim lotus
Has anyone else planned a winter offensive, looked at the date, and postponed a few days until it's Dec. 26?
clever shuttle
how do u make self propelled artilerry again?
tawdry nebula
the upcoming land "overhaul" stuff isn't really to armor tho right
What it would change?
quasi shoal
What it would change?
iirc it's like land bases
azure palm
Play Iran - Go Shahist - the Raj declares war on you - lose a few provinves - demand the British surrender - have them accept
pastel olive
the upcoming land "overhaul" stuff isn't really to armor tho right
Oh really?
quasi shoal
how do u make self propelled artilerry again?
in the tank menu click at the top and change it from medium tank to artillery
quasi shoal
Oh really?
shi idk
pastel olive
iirc it's like land bases
Ohh
tawdry nebula
iirc it's like land bases
Oh, nice.
pastel olive
I would like an overhaul of paratrooper mechanics and at least options to make it more flexible tbh, if they ever do aircraft overhaul
And air transit, or at least, all of these unlocked for modders to play around with, even if not in vanilla
clever shuttle
in the tank menu click at the top and change it from medium tank to artillery
i cant find the artilerry one tho
quasi shoal
i cant find the artilerry one tho
wdym
quasi shoal
only at and aa
send a ss
clever shuttle
how?
quasi shoal
<@986796597255999551>
try scrolling down
also you prolly aren't using the right gun type
clever shuttle
dont work
clever shuttle
also you prolly aren't using the right gun type
yeah
clever shuttle
i need howitzer i think
quasi shoal
i need howitzer i think
that's the best gun for it, yes
clever shuttle
cuz its artileery
quasi shoal
cuz its artileery
yes
clever shuttle
in general when ur country has an smaller airforce and the enemy uses cas should you prioritise first buidling fighters or aa support companies for your mechanized?
patent thistle
in general when ur country has an smaller airforce and the enemy uses cas should...
depends on your industry
clever shuttle
mediocre industry
patent thistle
mediocre industry
then i suggest AA support companies usually
brittle cypress
mediocre industry
aa is really cheap just put it in everything
the most expensive thing in the game is the 2nd best airforce so don't bother if you're not gonna full commit
quasi shoal
in general when ur country has an smaller airforce and the enemy uses cas should...
aa always
aa is always first out of those two no matter what
then fighters if you can actually afford it
lost dawn
I already hate myself
The invasion of Siberia has only just begun but it is already so painful
I also lost like half of my amph tanks
prime totem
I also lost like half of my amph tanks
rip
lost dawn
I came to HOI4 discord just to ask why
Why do we exist?
prime totem
i mean you could've invaded europe
lost dawn
What is the meaning of life?
lost dawn
i mean you could've invaded europe
They have 4 thousand divisions.
ember vine
Why do we exist?
Why do brits invade me for no reason
prime totem
They have 4 thousand divisions.
...
lost dawn
And Siberia is closest
prime totem
silence.
ember vine
I play with iraq and I lost half my army because of those shits
sudden thistle
I already hate myself
What is forcing u to invade Siberia
lost dawn
What is forcing u to invade Siberia
lost dawn
What is forcing u to invade Siberia
The old world is entirely occupied by the Axis
prime totem
man it doesnt look THAT bad
ember vine
I wanted to build relations with UK but they didnt care just invaded me
lost dawn
if I am to win this war..... I must free Europe and Asia
sudden thistle
Just invade Europe 😭
prime totem
if I am to win this war..... I must free Europe and Asia
(take the oil)
lost dawn
man it doesnt look THAT bad
I am building level 10 ports everywhere for supply
lost dawn
Just invade Europe 😭
Again... they have 4000 divisions
ember vine
I hate this game it wastes hours of my time just so everything goes to ruin later on
prime totem
I hate this game it wastes hours of my time just so everything goes to ruin late...
hm
sudden thistle
Try harder then
lost dawn
They have too many division on the isles
ember vine
Never in my life have I hated the british just because of a game
sudden thistle
What were u doing the entire game
lost dawn
What were u doing the entire game
Staying alive
rich nacelle
I don care that this div is probably abysmal. I want to see it work lol.
prime totem
yo guys am i cooking???
sharp sierra
put flame tank in
lost dawn
yo guys am i cooking???
No ironman?
prime totem
No ironman?
yeah
lost dawn
sharp sierra
who plays on ironman if not for achievements ironman sucks
prime totem
who plays on ironman if not for achievements ironman sucks
i have to agree fr
sharp sierra
90% of my games do happen to be on iron man tho
prime totem
90% of my games do happen to be on iron man tho
...
lost dawn
And why is is 1953
I am perhaps not the best player. But all of the old world uniting against you before the war even kicks off for you?
Quite something
fierce galleon
finally won ww2 as germany
sudden thistle
I am perhaps not the best player. But all of the old world uniting against you b...
I will do it myself if u want
fierce galleon
google said gfermany is a good starter nation
sudden thistle
When should I start the fight
fierce galleon
so ive been playing germany
usually the us ends up beating me when i try to invade but this time they never even joined the war
lost dawn
When should I start the fight
1940 is good
And you need to have Japan, the Soviet Union, Germany, Italy, (fallen france) and Great Britian (plus a few minor axis countries) in the war against you at the same moment.
sudden thistle
1940 is good
Would using a cheat tool to add countries to the axis be fine
lost dawn
Oh... and China
lost dawn
Would using a cheat tool to add countries to the axis be fine
It is insanely unlucky for me to have even had to face this
so I do not believe you would be able to test yourself any other way
So yeah
paper echo
errant remnant
What do yall rate my game so far and what country do u think i am? (1943 Jan btw)
slim nexus
Wow irs so gorgose
novel oxide
Could Someone Maybe Play Hoi4 With Me, Im Looking For Friends To Play With
errant remnant
Could Someone Maybe Play Hoi4 With Me, Im Looking For Friends To Play With
whats your region?
novel oxide
Eastern US
errant remnant
Oof
errant remnant
From the UK lag would be horrid
novel oxide
oh i see
inland falcon
yo guys am i cooking???
always knew trotsky was a hitlerite (estonian)
errant remnant
What do yall rate my game so far and what country do u think i am? (1943 Jan btw...
?
sharp sierra
ah finally got my third research slot in 1941 as china
novel oxide
good job
sharp sierra
why would they make it like that
neglected countryside is like the worst prerequisite debuff in the game
the other warlords will have more research slots than the big china government
novel oxide
why would they make it like that
idk why but its really bad
solid bane
How can I see which are cores of mine that I don't own?
There's apparently a core state I don't own, but I have no idea what.
slim nexus
the other warlords will have more research slots than the big china government
No matter what, china will always be pathetic
slim nexus
How can I see which are cores of mine that I don't own?
Idk ask ai
solid bane
click on a state maybe?
I mean I can't realistically go around and click on every state. I'm not even sure how to tell it's a core of mine when I do click on it.
novel oxide
I mean I can't realistically go around and click on every state. I'm not even su...
yeah true, idk go help chat
slim nexus
Is 1500h in hoi enough?
inland falcon
I mean I can't realistically go around and click on every state. I'm not even su...
drop the map
i might be able to figure out by looking
solid bane
I'm getting Memel right now, literally working on the focus. But I save scummed to try something else, I had Memel then, and it still didn't say I had every core.
inland falcon
I'm getting Memel right now, literally working on the focus. But I save scummed ...
maybe south tyrol?
spark musk
@hallow pulsar do NOT let this host cook bro stuck in 1936 for over an hour and gives countries to chinese warlords 
train station wifi ahh
wary sparrow
non historical factions are so funny
dusky burrow
<@758178655331155979> do NOT let this host cook bro stuck in 1936 for over an ho...
Why tf Finland rip
inland falcon
<@758178655331155979> do NOT let this host cook bro stuck in 1936 for over an ho...
beautiful things are happening
spark musk
Why tf Finland rip
dont even ask this guy somehow fumbled the host tool
wary sparrow
non historical factions are so funny
russia just created european confederation with belgium
ewwww
inland falcon
russia just created european confederation with belgium
you didn't think to mention the fact hungary is in mexico's alliance
wary sparrow
typically hungarian move
inland falcon
hoes be doing anything for an alliance
dusky burrow
you didn't think to mention the fact hungary is in mexico's alliance
Probably a focus tree thing I think
inland falcon
i mean, at least russia and belgium are both european
vital cove
Probably a focus tree thing I think
probably they went for Habsburg path and went for Habsburg emperor in Mexico?
wary sparrow
probably they went for Habsburg path and went for Habsburg emperor in Mexico?
no i think its only cause they both communist
portugal made the popular front with the latvian rebellion
fair horizon
you didn't think to mention the fact hungary is in mexico's alliance
i really wish paradox would like tie range and naval power to factions
no reason for someone halfway across the world like tibet to join the axis
fair horizon
well they went unaligned so
