#hoi4-general
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nah just keep them out of southern norway until the allies come to help
so was wondering if i could buy myself some time to build up a bit before we fight the germans
what about annexed denmark lol
build a couple big warships to fight the german battleships and yeah
denmark doesnt border you
or do you need denmark for that?
you get claims on them
ah
have you seen norway monarchy path?
i was planning on doing a monarchy one though
you can annex denmark, iceland, faroe islands and get some provinces in Sweden
wait you were the guy doing the facist path the other evening right?
i was talking to you about it
fix this
if they now go the civil war route after i lost 10 days for no reason then im getting mad
theyre defo gonna do that out of spite
ah, no EMPORER FOR THE 3rd TIME IN ROW
Yes i was
ah hi lol
i forgot that brazil has this one
Wheres the Minas Gerias?
its litterally there
the other ships wouldnt let me allow to refit them as battlecarriers (i aint turning them into converted battleship carriers)
im genuinely tweaking
Thats not a carrier
Opps don't see the vision smh
ik i litterally just said that
i know if i dare to play china they will go commie and instantly invade me
is this good or is it bad, i cant tell cuz the org is good but it looks disgusting
Crispy brightness
yes
give em some speed
like 8kmh should do
6.8 is quite fast
Hello gang

Im not well versed in the new dlc but I keep seeing those tanks in meta divisions
Italy bro
Are they like good now
finally, at least something
Another mussolini classic
Real

I haven't played hoi4 in a whole week
I've been like out in nature or something stupid
This is awful
I could be micro managing barbarossa rn
Cringe
shut up and let me enjoy my battle carriers
they cooked in my earlier game
i am already making proper carriers to be used with my super heavy battleships
Battle carriers are lame
Monarchy brazil 🤮
i prefer monarchy over democracy and Communism
F liberia in perticular, i dont like them
Commie brazil goes hard
erm, spoiler?
i hate communism with a Passion
k
why are brezhnev and andropov "famous leaders" for a game set in the 30s/40s tho
how do i form greater germanic riech cuz the decision isnt there
i think it appears after you start babarossa
i also grabbed uruguay along the way
nope it can also appear after winning the west i think cause i have it in one of my saves even tho i didnt start barbarossa yet
uhm- thanks uk?
Finaly I finished
what the hell happened in pakistan
HOW ARE THEY NOT CAPITULATED
based
oops
kazakhstan has still some big cities
historical accuracy :3
thier biggest vp is 1 point
who needs it
well one-
3*
can garantie you its because sevastopol still exists
rostov too is a major VP
they have a lot of them you have to zoom in to see
sevastopol IS NOT 40% OF SURRENDER PROGRESS
it has 20 and rostov too has 10 still
15 rostov
its not forogtten i just legit didnt have enough divisons
also 5 big cities isnt literally 40% of thier surrender progress
i have 1 width calvs to spam them
you are forgetting the magic of stalin refusing to surrender past the urals base game
i have lvl 10 forts here i wonder if i can resist until germany comes
which isnt that fara way
not even kidding i have litterally had games where the soviets didnt surrender when i litterally was past the urals and captured all of central asia
what no collaboration does
i never use the spy agency
how do i fix this
fix what?
The puppets not havong the land it looks horrible
annex them
ye
the real nightmare is if the soviets go civilwar and go for the soviet council
more surrender limit
dont know whats happening there but i aint questioning it anymore
first carriers have been finished before my actual boats (my super heavy battleships)
brazil history is funny
Fortlandia:
portugals's claims in south america going from one latitude line to like past the amazon lmao
technically they were only supposed to get a small bit of the tip of brazil
yeah but the pope changed it and then iirc they traded like uruguay for the amazon
and even after the second change of the agreement did not go that far
ye what i find even more funny is that portugal tried to claim all of africa during the berlin confrence
ik
they traded with the germans and gave the UK access to the azore bases
i would believe tho ingame its badly shown
also being the only south american country to actually fight the germans
ye brazil even send people to italy i am pretty sure
i know nothing about their army but i know they engaged german ships or at least uboats
lost iirc a cruiser over it?
idk let me check
oh the bahia sunk because of an accident
a cruiser and a corvette
a corvette (Vital de Oliveira) was sunk still by a submarine so still some engagements must have happend
On a youtube comment fir tge modded brazil run some dude said that the germans and italians would ratger surrender to brazilians theyd party with them n not get shot. Dont know if true but funny
well brazil was kind of a fan of germany so
Is this overkill
the rumor itself wasnt true but the italians did respect the brazilian expeditionary force in italy and if they ended up captured they would be treated fairly by germany (which is a big ask already given we are talking about POWs in ww2)
then again we do not know whats considered "fairly" here
i forgot i still had the british garantie meaning argentina now has a british paintrain coming-
two stacks of 50 💀
argentina you messed up so bad
they now have joined the axis. -_-
guess i can now join the allies?
that issue has been resolved
theyre prob crap
i just did some for fun
its like a berry waiting to be picked
can we talk about hungary somehow having 40 divs here?
how does hungary even have 40 divs
THEY, have been finished.
Hey while going through time or turning on time , should you constantly train all divisions until they level 3 and also ships and planes ? Or only train some for army points ?
Also should the first things I spend my political points be on advisers and goverment positions?
wheres the carriers?
why only 2?
is this a navy for ants or something?
i am making 4, 2 just havent finished yet
i need my dockyards afterwards to make actual cruisers
nah
im tired of this bs
you probably got like at least 10 cruisers
i didnt start with cruiser construction until fairly late cause i was focused on my super heavies
how many cruisers do you got?
like 4 rightnow
you're good
carriers will make up for it
plus its not like the enemy is gonna undock their fleets anyways
show your admiral
welp vichy did try
keyword, try
i could just move out many of the older battleships
like the ones i got from the decisions
but first i had to finish the remains that got away
carrier penalty most likely even to i have them seperated into 2 fleets
can i still get resource rights and reparations? i submitted the demand before adding them and cant get back to the page
eh i just place the old carriers with the old ships later
yeah im just wondering how much it is
cause like 160 or so was like 71% or some crap for me
i am throwing out the old ships of the main fleet now
should fix the screening issue
Little one before my driving exam
I wish you great success.
Thank you 🙂
germany aint going to recover from this
At last I taked Shanghai.
the reason i specificially said that because atleast in my opinion any naval losses germany takes are more devistating then for some other nations
That's a lot of division.
im probably gonna be playing this save for days
Same for my one.
As I pretty much just landed in Shanghai.
Hey question about navry anf supmarine when I assign my sups to naval raid or guard my sea areas in 1936 won’t it start wars with other nations since they attack others ? Or will they only attack countries I’m at war with ?
why is my vc broke
yea only at war
so am gonna do communist czech
what country should i attack with paratroopers later on
France
do i need to take switz before it or can paratroopers reach
Does anyone else not play hoi4 anymore because of the dlcs
i play bcs i still enjoy mods and multiplayer
maybe you wanna join a multiplayer rn
I killed France as Italy with this trick so I would assume so
We do group multi player games, the entire group got sick of how overtly complex they made hoi4 and moved to stellaris
do you mind if you do like, 2 people
am bored rn
not rn, I usually play around 9-10pm est
alr
How does one naval invade?
and game crashed
ok nvm thats legit like
4-6 am
And you seemed like a interesting person bruv
Yeah it is a bit hard to play with my group, we are all US players
Enjoy your next game ig, ima continue my Czech run
once u learn it, its actually not that complex
seems like a lot
which is fair
The issue is we have 8 players in a game, everyone is doing a major of some sort solo. They all have to custom build their boats, planes, tanks, economy, and all of these little things.
We usually have to pause the game so we can mutually all build these things, which is just very boring for people who can do it fast.
co-op?
We rarely do that tbh
So some people are way faster than others?
japan tries everytime and everytime they get shat on
well thats rlly the only way to fix it other than "getting good" and playing another country
For the most part we enforce the rule to use prebuilt designs to keep the game moving, since making anything good is too slow.
In stellaris this issue is not even a thing since it has down time to prep for war more and we can do all these easily
ooh
I guess my biggest issue with HOI4 is that in the old version, it was more like chess that was about placing divisions where they mattered most. Now you can make 1 sub that is broken and sink the entire US navy
wrong
the usa navy will never undock for you to sink it
rip
4 now smh
i am pretty sure thats just some stolen portuguese destroyer
THEY TRIED TO GET AWAY NOT ON MY WATCH
NOT THE AKAGI
Am still a new player if you guys need one
uhm thanks UK?
Why does artillery suck so much?
I still don't understand navy so am I cooked?
welp, i wanted to save her @fair horizon but she had to poke a super heavy battleship
i am starting to annihilate the japanese navy-
i mean sure? i just suck at the land theater-
analiate
message me
missing one more
youre gonna be missing
son
]like play multiplayer?
what else would it be
doesnt matter, do you know a cheap light tank divison pls
Monster
not my fault she poked my ship
atleast the kaga was spared. for now.
how am i meant to invade the UK? after the update for some reason they are just not dropping their guard
ive beeb waitiing so long i jusy cant get the naval dominance
cause ur navy is weaker
how do i reduce consumer goods?
start a war
conquer other countries
rob their gold
Guys I think i found a bug
some of you have noticed that if your division is attacked you can not attack the division attacking you
But there is a way to bypass this
If you click on a tile that requires to go through the tile of division attacking you, it will attack the division attacking you
bad idea going right side eco as alt hist germany
I've known this since GDR dropped
autarky is ass if ur monarchist
democratic is the worst
I always go P.E.G as Monarchist
left side is arguably superior if u wont be going to war in the next like 4 years
otherwise ur eco will die
yeah because consumer goods go up
peg is always better than 4yp
autarky is good af if ur conquering a shit ton of land
you want to know what's also good if you're conquering a shit ton of land? everything
but peg still gives you more even after you achieve autarky
like i thought we figured that out day 1 after GoD was released
ive seen autarky be superior compare the stats
Imagine winning on the Egyptian front only to find out you got 2 naval invasions on the british isle
it's not even close, peg gives 5 more cap than 4yp
also autarky gives -10 stab? never noticed that
GERMANIA RULES THE WAVES!
i got late on the invasion of soviet union though
well i still did a lot more
Consolidated power over Europe and Africa
And now invading US is certainly easier
If you had all of Russia it would be way more manageable than it is, even if you are winning
Then alr
i didnt have enough guys to man the front
finland might be cooked they beefin with the mighty CHILE
What is bro going to do
Guys
I think I may have a problem
upon uh
signing the peace conference with the British
I annexed my reichkomissariats aswell
Or their territory
How do i fix that....
you... BASTARDS
Damn 😂
I need to start focusing on planes and navy im bascilly only focused on army
And i need to focus on supply more
yesterday i had a 4 way war and i estimate casualties at 45 million plus minimum
Just invite Denmark to the war with Germany, give all german land to Denmark and then declare on Denmark
You need the german piece for the kalmar union
what is this bs, i swear i did everything this is asking me for and it didnt launch
anyone know how this even works 💔
patrol is the only mission that gives supremacy
strike force just modifies it
click patrol
finnish russia 😬
ill try that
why is it telling me no units are assigned to the order though?
spanish civil war still going strong in 1940 damn
i cant see
control left click order tho
Why are the Brasilian states so odd?
what tanks should i use as japan
medium flame tank support company
dont have dlcs
ts is what we're working with
gg
wait They can be a leader ?
??
just a event that happens if 2 nations refuse germany
like lithuania and czechoslovakia
I wonder what hidden leaders we haven't found yet
how do i do that
shout out river supply
got the achievement
hoi4
😭 what the hell is this
thats alctually really good
12 soft attack. Those Brazilians are really in for it now
How is one supposed to get Sinkiang without going to war with the ussr? (they are in ussr's faction)
they lost the khotan ma war so theyre a ussr puppet
happens
So there's nothing I can do as red China besides declaring on the ussr
yeah pretty much, actually unifying china as the PRC wasn't given nearly enough thought imo
Yeah, I was still at war with Japan when the war ended
By that I mean when RoC got the scripted peace deal, I apparently wasn't included
oh lol. yeah i haven't seen that one myself
the main government can accept being a puppet if you take the middle focus for unification with ends up being really boring
it's not even an integrated puppet so it takes forever to integrate
I took the right one I think which requires 50% faction influence
I hate how you still have to integrate the puppets, why can't I just fully integrate them with one simple click like Sweden can in one of their paths
Again, China feels so uncooked
there needs to be much more post unification content imo
i don't know if the ROC can even flee to taiwan
I think in R56 it may be possible?
How to beat ROC
paradox seems to switch back and forth between wanting to expand into cold war territory and wanting to avoid it
i wish they'd make up their mind, post war mechanics sound like a lot of fun
Just like irl
Or peacefully annex them if you have 50% faction influence
Balls
My problem is that a lot of countries tend to get lobotomized
Lobotomy is bad
imma be real i dont know what you mean by that
How to do the 50% of faction influence
Also everything east of Germany is a mess after the peace deal
Countries never get back their focus tree but instead their generic one
true but the peace deals are improving slowly
They gonna fix it, under a 20$ dlc
I saw the soviets "punishing" Germany by letting them keep all of modern western Poland
oh yeah for sure. again, they'd really have to fully commit to the post war content if they were to change that
wasn't that a major selling point for NSB?
Along with Königsberg and Memel
it also goes without saying the lag needs to be fixed too...
soviet dlc
Ik i am joking
I also feel like the game isn't truly made to last up to 1945 let alone 1948 as sometimes advertised
You can wrap up most campaigns in 1943, everything past that is just playing in a sandbox
dude
what is this
why can they go in greece land but i cant
when i go in greece land they dont get taken over they can just sit there
i just want to larp, map painting isn't very fun for me
look at this bro
That's order 66 I think
Idc paradox broke they need your 20$
Where one country had troops in another country and then they declared on them
so im stuck
basiclly
he did....
Another dlc, this time, paradox is not gonna pretend fixing anything or add anything
Its just gonna say "we need your 20$ (we need your 20$)"
Finally a good dlc
$20? the next dlc is going to cost more than the base game 
What I really want to see is focus trees for secret nations/nations that need to be released
Sadly not gonna happen
Thats like basically every new dlc
hello yalls
we (yes, we) are all waiting for the slovakia tree
I mean they are literally a historical German puppet
tbf, a dlc that includes czechoslovakia (and slovakia) and romania isn't entirely unrealistic... maybe yugoslavia too... they could call it something like, dishonour or death...
You are difficult, look if you give paradox 100$ of dlc they might give you 1/4 of what you asked
Oh and add a new ressource called lobotomization
It is indirectly linked to world tension and whenever it rises shit gets real
When it launched, most countries didn't even start with it
true, but you can get enough of it now as china which is good enough for me
hello
wassup yalls
I like but at the same time dislike China because you just spam gun
Maybe some support arty
Talking about the great amount of dlc and prices for little content
Basically
japan was 100% the highlight of the DLC, and i think they now have one of the best trees in the game at least the historical one
the Philippines is just another switzerland
Spam gun, mass assault, large unit tactics, grand assault, click battle plan and push to Korea
some neat gimmicks you might fool around with once or twice, but for the most part you'll forget they have content
They have a funny path tho
so does argentina, but how often does anyone play the 4th reich
You can get all spanish speaking countries for free
Paradox announces that you will have to pay 20$ month dlc to buy new dlc
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Paradox are broke okay they need the 20$
ITS ALWAYS LIKE THAT AND IT NEVER IS ITS ALWAYS MID
what yalls think bout this idea
i wish they'd go back to the old portraits though...
they're just weird and fleshy
Trully the most important thing you know
They should add a 4k ultra high resolution of hitler
Just hitler for 20$ dlc
Like giga chad
You know what? F 4k
Go straight to 16k portait that like youll never get to fully appreciate since its just a tiny pic in your screen
@grok is this real?
this is perhaps the WORST italy i have ever seen in a historical game
Mega cursed?
what does the ai gen smoke sometimes
are US templates good or bad?
its certainly been an interesting game LOL
any mods?
answer pls
Is there someone who doesn't like the polish-lithuanian commonwealth?
impossible
yoooo yall know any mods
Impossible
I just killed the Soviet union with dat
hello yalls
hello there
chad ottoman empire
Rip greece
yo whats the best div template for empire mod?
Good morning!
hello best
I'm fine thanks.
I’m doing monarchist Germany rn and German reich left Berlin open
to be honest this is a 1505 map so no greece
Same.
nice gamer
check #modding
theres a new mod that came out
@tawdry nebula
you should DEF test it out
Yesterday I taked Shanghai in the war against China.
Which mod is this?
Yeah not even Bulgaria
BICE.
ah i see
I'm doing a Japan run pretty much.
how tf did egyptian italy happen
hello guys
Hi.
hello
Kaiserreich
yes normal original taste
i do also like vanilla cola aswell
like i said
sorry
i drinked a cola when i was 5
didnt like it
my parents were saying it was bugs
while THEY were drinking it
why
becus its sad when parents tell their kid child that drinking certain drinks is BAD
well cola is bad
and then they drink it themselves
yes
i was like
ik
alr
i do like also to drink vitamin water
in finland we have those
my mom keeps saying to me: drink water
sometimes yes i do drink water
but only if its like juice and vitamin water
oh alr sorry
alr
why u keep saying sorry bro
idk
there is nothing to be sorry about
alr
were just having a conversation
yes ik
sometimes i hate hoi4
it wont let me open mods
lemme look at black ice
alr
it does make hoi4 SP games more difficult btw
since theres SO MANY Techs equipments and units
idk
FİNALLY İVE OPENED MY MOD
OK
okeh
oops :3c
i chose the uk at the beginning and released egypt as a puppet and played as it
cause
yknow
Cairo
💩
there's actually not prtscr key on my laptop actually
Skill issue
cant believe we getting british rework
british and america i think
if its worse then ncns i think we shld stop playing
Nononnono
They are NOT reworking the Soviet tree
If thunder at the gates means what I think it means
i think it might be america
update
it isnt
luckily
i dont want current paradox to do a british dlc
What country is that ?
??? germany
Bruh how's it so high then ?
Oh he didn't take their gold
Yeah I haven't touched germany
I only play minors
Like lithuania, British raj.., afghanistan,.. ethiopia once
Poland
is this design good?
Yes but logistics isnt really that useful for infantry
what should i replace it with?
You can just remove it
Makes the division slightly cheaper
what about the anti air and arty
Doesnt need to be replaced with anything, just removed
Anti air and arty is pretty good
even field hospital could be removed for a cheaper div
By having i'd say atleast 20 factories on really good 1940 plane
Fighters afaik
It's not even. For how late it is, his factory count for Germany is extremely low
They help to kill other planes
Oh but it shows 150 in use...
Ohhh 0% CGF
U make these
Cuz u get them too late
It's good sure
But u won't get it in 38
Ye because he has 150 in total, all of which he uses
Hes losing 33 to cg
You cabt get 0%
It's hard set to 10%
Depends on where u are fighting
Logi is never a bad choice
True
I mean it also really depends on what year, logi is pretty expensive on infantry early on
He has fh in his small inf
💀
yeah uhhhh, very expensive
Remove the fh. It's too expensive for small inf
Oh is 25/0 meta if you have a big manpower or 20/5
Don't use arty
Just ever
Line artillery 💔
It'll be 50w ig for 25/0 inf
No way
Do u know how cw works
I've been using 24w
So much untapped potential
Ouch
Uhh yes low width good
16-32
No and that's not what I meant
Terrain ?
16w is good, above 19w is bad and 35-39w is also good
Yes.
Different terrains have different widths
And also that plains width is 70 and that you can go over 33% of the width on a tile and still get into the battle with a debuff
Anything over 33% over width and it won't join the battle
Hence 39w is good and 40w isnt
Hmm so 36-38w
18-19 inf
But for soviet union capitulating, would your recommend 12/0 or 15/0 or 18/0 or.. 9/0
But 35-39 is above 19 so it’s bad 🤦♂️
Duhhhh
I'm still gonna build 12+4 cuz.. that's like 3/5th of my army (100 divs 🥀)
Either one of the last 2
Depends on what your build is
What's a build
If you can't afford the guns because you're doing tanks and planes of course don't Maks big inf
The things you're producing
Uh mostly guns
About 1000/day
Some medium SPGs though the mechanised aren't ready yet so about 5 divs
A build is like the kind of game ur going for
Air build (make lots of plane and sacrifice land)
Tank, get like 50 td’s with ur inf
Inf, just only inf
That’s a good explanation I think
Inf then prolly I wanna start an air force for uk
I probably don't need 30 factories on trains
I've just been trying to spit out anti air, arty and guns as well as trucks and trains
I might want to build cas cuz russia was bad and next run should be better
Why not
mp players never research them
Depends on how bad the air situation is. I'd say yes regardless
Because they usually have air to cover
It's only important a on few nations such as Russia
Every faction has air
And because 10.5 air attack is enough to reduce cas damage by 75%
And aa 1 has 13 air attack
So tempting to send a nerd emoji rn
🤓
Thank you!
watta quack ?
Then just research f2, max upgrade everything except reliability
anybody want to mess around with some co-op multiplayer
how tf did they get independence without needing autonomy??
you know you have done enough damage to germany if the soviets actually can launch a counter attack
i have a feeling that germany is cooked
berlin is near to fall vro
💀
no shit the situation rn looks like this
Its 100% worth waiting for
its even basic 😭
you know its bad if the maginot cant help here
this carrier gonna survive another 4 WW
how lmao
they arent even gonna be done by stellaris 😭
bahia ❤️
why this game is so cursed when im playing as minor or any country historical
and germany is still somehow going to win against the soviets
you need to convoy raid with them more to farm admiral skills and level ships ngl
they litterally deleted the japanese navy
they're not even level 5 smh
i can do that too as australia
why do u just casually have 4 super heavy bbs as brazil
yes.
they attacking before 1941 so soviets got insane debuffs
why not?
oh btw, this is my secondary fleet
wrong
why would u spend more time and a big amount of resources for 3 more
do i have to say anything about that?
so i just thought of a reason that battle carriers are busted
bro
they actually shoot their guns at other ships lmao
1 is already enough to absolutely obliterate any ship that isnt a screen
navy fun
im surprised u didnt lose ur patience
they didnt even take that long. only like 2-3 years
what year is it
even with that resource deficit?
now its 1942
thats crazy
they finished mid-late 1940
you can buy resources you know
i just bought temporarly some steel from the americans
why didnt u tell me that
because its common sense?
germans got cheats for sure
nah stalin just sucks
they're losing to france lmao
steiner's counterattack
youre cooked bro
im with them what ever
u showed me the ss when i was surprised u were able to build them
and yes for some reason i gained the occupation over vichy
not france
for some reason
reverse dunkirk
yes they got cheats for sure NO RED BUBBLES WHILE ATTACKING
i want carrier convoys like the british made
i dont care how bad they are
they gave us carrier subs
Germany locked in
its russia 
of course theres no red bubbles
but italy is again usefull ally
No way
Yeah makes sense
it doesnt help that they dont use their fleets anymore
How do you see the faction overlay
Don't know how true it is, but I'm seeing a reddit thread being shared, saying that sharing official Nexus Mods links can get you autobanned by screwy Discord bots. To quote " There appears to be a major issue with Discord’s automated safety filters regarding links to NexusMods."
So <search engine of choice> it for yourselves, and stay white-listed.
which one of these happened irl?
Slovakia puppet state
first one right?
i always take it all and create protectorate böhmen mähren
I always give Slovakia to Hungary tbh
only do this if i invade hungary and turn it into a puppet
i give it to poland :)
hows vienna going?
or w/e the austra capital is
After over 20 restarts i did it
the hell is this kind of random ass acchievement-
I know i was just on non historical and prayed poland will be untuched
I lost theran over 3 times defending them
i havent gotten an acheivement in like 6 months
respect to italian east africa to still have divisions
i am definetly protecting them now (making them my puppet) for this determination (cause if i did not the UK would just release ethiopia)
and after the european squable has been resolved its time to finish the cripped japan
just grab their victory points ig
its during the monarchy path
when you have to gain support in states
monarchy path on norway
I've played monarchist Norway extensively and never had a cw
yeah i watched a youtube video and it didnt happen
What did u click
they literally have 0 troops
it happens when you can click on each territory to increase support
when youre doing these
Foreshadowing 🗿
Filler
Never had it happen
I can check later
In the gym rn
okay
average democratic japan campaign
nah they can be fun
also fun to rp trying to actually make the country better for the people sometimes instead of just "ooh map pretty colours" lol
im bitter towards democracy because its the only way to get a plane mio as australia
it's pretty fun honestly
same
the peoples republic of australia wants better for its people
italy pulled the bulgaria and gained territory
also yes i snatched east prussia of the soviets
decisions
mabye some political advisors?
It would be a pretty accurate post war if it weren't for that
Time ago in one of my run with Hungary and Austria I choose a German Prince while I was playing Hungary and I reformed the Austrian-Hungarian empire when I played with Austria.
yes good idea
also saved this guy
part of the allies? 🤮
Oh so you also stay on civ eco the entire game to make more goods for your people to consume 
"playing tall"
Just go play vic3 bro
also glad you made ethopia not exist
not my fault argentina joined the f***ing axis
counterpoint, people can play how they want if it's fun for them
not saying it's the most efficient way to play
but sometimes it can be fun to not just meta sweat
Neither am I getting at you for not doing so
My point is that hoi is the wrong game for that but sure