hoi4-general

[tawdry nebula]

Tbh guys.

I'm also currently building 4 Kii-Class, 1 Tosa-Class "IJN Tosa", 4 Amagi-Class Battlecruiser and so on.

[magic aspen]

I am so looking forward to when the rest of the Axis can join in against America and we can finally just crush them

[tawdry nebula]

Just hope Berlin dosen't fall.

[magic aspen]

it wont

Germany actually started pushing the side of the pocket and it looks like they're gonna collapse it

and that whole push is running into serious supply issues

also Iran has done serious work in the south

[tawdry nebula]

Oh, nice.

[magic aspen]

I am also really close to doing the imperial federation focus

which should give me tons of men and divisions to bolster my lines

so hopefully I can start pushing back

[oak mantle]

Never knew this war possible

[tawdry nebula]

Just for know guys.

It's worth converting Large Cruiser, Heavy Cruiser and Light Cruiser into Light Aircrafter Carrier or Heavy one?

[tulip thorn]

no

converted are pretty bad

its better to make a 36 carrier from scratch

[tawdry nebula]

Ok, I will use the Converted BB also.

And thanks.

[magic aspen]

Germany finally closed the escape route on the massive Baltic pocket

[tulip thorn]

Converted is bad

[magic aspen]

hopefully they dont screw this up and this turns their part of the front around

[tulip thorn]

Just make carriers from scratch

Not worth turning a battleship into converted

[magic aspen]

DAMN IT JAPAN

why did you have to declare war on one of my colonies

I needed you to beat up America to keep them off my back

oh and now brazil wants some too

Germany....

why did you just declare on Yugoslavia in the middle of all this

they had better knock out the soviets soon

they've taken Moscow and Stalingrad, and they're close to getting Leningrad, but I don't think that will be enough

[tawdry nebula]

More I'm trying to be real and follow historical one like for Shinano.

Tbh Tank Destroyer.

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[magic aspen]

well the stupid Germans took too long and now I'm gonna lose like 2/3 of my militairy

thanks stupid AI

[finite plume]

Why is this guy only having markets with red flagged countries 😭

[magic aspen]

it is actually insane how dumb the AI becomes when it's your ally

[finite plume]

Murphy's Law

[sudden thistle]

Too long for what

[finite plume]

Anything that can go wrong will go wrong

[magic aspen]

so a little background

I'm moncarchist axis Britain

Germany decided to declare war on the US while Russia was declaring on us

so I sent my armies into Canada to hold the line until the rest of the axis could deal with Russia, or Japan could deal with China so I could get some help

the German AI was being incredibly stupid, it took 6 months to close an encirclement it could've destroyed in a month multiple times

and was getting dominated by Russia for a while even though, for once, they actually had the numbers advantage

then a little while ago Japan declared on one of my colonies so there went my hope of them being the ones to reinforce me

and now because Germany was so stupid, Canada capitulated before I could integrate them, which is like 10 days away

and now most of my army is trapped and out of supply in central Canada

[eternal palm]

Yea don't rely on AI to do anything for you

It's mostly useless

[magic aspen]

because you can't rely on AI to do literally anything

yeah it's an incredibly stupid element of this game

which is a really unfriendly thing to newer players

but I suppose that makes sense since this game seems to hate new players with a burning passion

[eternal palm]

The tutorial could be updated

But hoi isn't hard

[magic aspen]

HAHAHA

that's blatantly false

[eternal palm]

Bro u got less than 200 hours

Peep the difference

Like

[magic aspen]

yeah, idk if you know this, but in most games 200 hours is enough to be competent

[eternal palm]

Hoi isnt hard

U just gotta learn it. And hoi ain't exactly straight forward

[cosmic jay]

me when im searching on how to fix this error and I see a reddit post and the fix is so easy I can see it below the link before I even clicked it so I low-key ascend to another universe

[eternal palm]

It's not difficult. It's complicated

[magic aspen]

that's.... a form of difficulty

[cosmic jay]

what's hoi i use hoi4

[eternal palm]

Jfc

[sudden thistle]

That’s legit the server we are in

[eternal palm]

But it's a very manageable diffuculty. It's not like, a souls borne game where the inputs are hard. It's simply a test of game knowledge if you will

[sudden thistle]

Hoi official discord

[eternal palm]

Bro can't put 2 and 2 together

[magic aspen]

I would say it's just a different kind of difficulty

[tawdry nebula]

Tbh I'm still improving and getting better in HoI also with Japan.

[cosmic jay]

ok

[eternal palm]

As I've just said

Yes

But once u know hoi becomes trivial

[tawdry nebula]

As only at December I managed to win in China with Japan.

[eternal palm]

U just need to be in the know to begin with

U definitely need to know a few things

Maybe a lot of things

[magic aspen]

so what you're saying is, when you get good at something it stops being hard

wow

[eternal palm]

Kinda, yeah. But I'm also saying it's difficult in the sense you have to do your home work

Pay attention

[magic aspen]

I have

[eternal palm]

Good.

[magic aspen]

I have watched more than 10 hours of guides

[eternal palm]

Most people don't.

[magic aspen]

I ask questions in here when I run into problems

[eternal palm]

Yea so u can watch the math video 10 times and still not understand it

[sudden thistle]

Wdym randomly clicking buttons isn’t a good way to learn

[tawdry nebula]

True.

[eternal palm]

Nah not really

Unless u like gambling

[magic aspen]

but a situation like this isn't frustrating because I messed up

[tawdry nebula]

Tbh guys.

[sudden thistle]

(It’s how I learned anyway)

1939 France MY GOAT

[magic aspen]

it's frustrating because I was playing well and relied on literally the biggest major in the game to be slightly competent

[eternal palm]

Well, kinda. You allied with AI. That was your first mistake

[magic aspen]

and the game decided no

[tawdry nebula]

I also use quite a lot tutorials a part that I love History as WW2 and Cold War era are my favourite subject of history.

[eternal palm]

Kinda sounds like cope?

[magic aspen]

so the only way to play the game is world conquest?

[eternal palm]

Basically lol

Hoi isnt a game to play tall

That's not how this works

You mappaint

That's it

[magic aspen]

because that's incredibly bad game design for a ww2 sim

ok but it's a ww2 sim

[eternal palm]

Is it? Ww2 was a lot about territory

If not only about territory

[magic aspen]

it was also about alliances

[eternal palm]

Also its not a sim

[tawdry nebula]

One question guys as I'm curiuous.

[eternal palm]

It's a sandbox

[sudden thistle]

Hoi4 is the war game

[eternal palm]

Posing as a sim

[sudden thistle]

Vic3 is the money game

[magic aspen]

close enough you knew what I meant

[eternal palm]

I can't say that?

Really

[magic aspen]

wasn't trying to be rude

[eternal palm]

Ck3 is the Alabama game

[eternal palm]

No no server deleted my message

[magic aspen]

oh ok

[eternal palm]

Well those are 2 different things so

[tawdry nebula]

Is it worth after I win WW2 as Japan and make part of Canada and USA as my puppet leaving the East Coast to Germany to start the Cold War period and maybe a war against Germany?

Or better no?

[eternal palm]

Hoi does have that.

[magic aspen]

I guess I'm just frustrated because I bought the game looking for a ww2 game that represented how important alliances were, and the fact that no one country could have won on their own

and that isn't what the game is

I didn't want to just do world conquering

[eternal palm]

Well yea

Unfortunate

Pdx gamers are used to mappainting

Were not here for realism

Pdx gave up on that a while ago

[inner iron]

The only AI alliance that is semi functional is the Allies goonsquad and that's about it

[sudden thistle]

I have seen this before

[magic aspen]

I didn't want realism, I just wanted alliances to actually matter in a game about the biggest alliance war in all of history

[sudden thistle]

Do u have a man in a castle

Maybe a high castle

[magic aspen]

like you could use any time period for map painting

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/classic-back-to-the-future-bttf-marty-mcfly-ive-seen-this-one-gif-19802188

[eternal palm]

Multiplayer might have that teamplay for u

[tawdry nebula]

Still no as I'm in 1937 still.

[eternal palm]

Cuz that's all that mp is

A team job

[magic aspen]

I did enjoy the MP I have played

[inner iron]

Well Soviets mostly fought solo, China mostly fought solo, Japan mostly fought solo

You get the gist

[magic aspen]

sort of

[eternal palm]

Soviets fought solo 💀
Now that has a lot of implications that I'm not going to go into

[sudden thistle]

3000 B.C. Bros 👇

[magic aspen]

Britain certainly did not

[tawdry nebula]

But that's the timeline I'm creating a part I would let the USA and Canada be free-ish. I mean they will keep their culture, cars, army, air force and so on.

[inner iron]

Hence why I say "mostly'

Cause there's way too many nitpicky details

[eternal palm]

Good.

China is true though

They were fked

And fought the longest

[magic aspen]

I just feel that alliances should at minimum be a viable strategy

[eternal palm]

Not in single player

[green lodge]

What's an army tab 🥀

[magic aspen]

if alliances are pointless why are they in the game

[eternal palm]

AI doesnt coordinate shit

[magic aspen]

and why are there so many focuses about making them

[sudden thistle]

8 years?

[eternal palm]

Ye

14 if you count manchuria

1931

[inner iron]

The AI is only able to coordinate hard coded stuff, like the allies being able to plan D day together

[tawdry nebula]

Just for know guys.

[inner iron]

But those are so limited in scope

[tawdry nebula]

It's good that I manage to win the war in China in 1 year? I mean 1940 - 1941.

[magic aspen]

like the game puts tons of emphasis and focus on the factions but they're basically worthless in practice and it takes so much of the fun out of the game

I don't even know if I really want to play singleplayer anymore because most of what I wanted to do was join different ahist factions as different countries

[sudden thistle]

Why do u declare in 40

[magic aspen]

but the only viable strat seems to be boring ass map painting

[sudden thistle]

But 1 year is good yeah

[craggy plinth]

What is this starting french template for?

[eternal palm]

Trolling

[tawdry nebula]

I try to make Shanxi and Xibei San Ma my allies.

As part of my scenario and timeline as I like to create them.

[surreal mist]

for deletion, so you can get ~1200 light tanks

[sudden thistle]

U will get used to the ai being shitty

[magic aspen]

yeah but I don't want to just play by myself and conquer everyone else

[craggy plinth]

And sell them?

[magic aspen]

then it's basically just the same game every time

[craggy plinth]

Light tank is bad, and extra useless for defending

[eternal palm]

Multiplayer strikes again, man I'm good

[sudden thistle]

U wanna know this cool mod that actually makes the ai cooperate

[tawdry nebula]

@sudden thistle For the rest it should be possible to win WW2 as Japan?

[sudden thistle]

And buffs the AI

[eternal palm]

Which is out of date

[magic aspen]

you would be my favorite person for that

[eternal palm]

And doesnt work correctly

And has plebs swearing at the thought of that

[sudden thistle]

No he made another one

[eternal palm]

Sheep mod

[magic aspen]

shush Carl they're saying something important

[sudden thistle]

Specifically for this update

Idk why though

[eternal palm]

Compatibility update

[sudden thistle]

I played it and it worked great

Lemme send u link rq

[magic aspen]

thanks

[tawdry nebula]

What mod is out of date?

[eternal palm]

Warning. It makes the game hard. Like, harder than you think it could ever be

[inner iron]

I wouldn't call them useless

Recon tanks are nice to have

[sudden thistle]

Look in DMs

[eternal palm]

No????

They're the best support company in the game rn

[craggy plinth]

thx

[eternal palm]

U get Giga stats

[tawdry nebula]

Also, one question guys.

[craggy plinth]

I have been out of the meta for some time

[craggy plinth]

What stats?

[tawdry nebula]

Of Island Hopping Campaign from where you suggest to start?

[eternal palm]

Like 100 extra break

[inner iron]

You can cheese your infantry by having them stacked with support armor companies lol

[eternal palm]

On tds 200 hard

Depends on doctriens

[tawdry nebula]

I mean Philippines or Dutch East India?

[eternal palm]

But it's insane

[tawdry nebula]

Or Midway and so on?

[eternal palm]

Phillippines into Taiwan

Ryuku and Kyushu

[craggy plinth]

by support recon light tank in tds division?

[eternal palm]

Yes....?

[tawdry nebula]

Thanks, I guess Dutch East India later?

[eternal palm]

Just cap Japan?

Who cares about DEI

[tawdry nebula]

I mean as Japan not the USA.

[inner iron]

Recon tanks, flame tanks and armoured engineers are neat supports for stat and terrain buffs

[eternal palm]

Tbh I'm considering to swap flame tanks for armored signal in mp

10% hard is too good to pass up

I guess logi can be replaced if not on barb or Africa

[tawdry nebula]

And thanks CreepAgeDE.

[eternal palm]

Ohhh nvm. Then of course, take DEI

[inner iron]

For mp sure, sp doesn't have to be that sweaty

[eternal palm]

Take Singapore via land route, cap Raj

[magic aspen]

btw CreepAge I do apologize if I was being a bit of a jerk, I got really frustrated with the game so sorry if I was rude

[eternal palm]

No no it's fine

You were rude?

Didn't notice

Text can be deceiving

[magic aspen]

idk I felt I might have been

[eternal palm]

I mean I get called rude even when I'm not trying so

Hey it happens

[inner iron]

Flame tanks can be useful for the very few who still finds breaking the maginot to be the meta, later on it can be swapped out

[tawdry nebula]

I will and thanks.

[eternal palm]

Fort attack 🥱

[magic aspen]

it's a personal pet peeve of mine when I'm struggling with something and people tell me it's easy so I was a bit annoyed by that and got a bit terse

[eternal palm]

That's like, pretty human Id say

[magic aspen]

I do appreciate your input though

[eternal palm]

To be Frustrated

To be angry

[inner iron]

Why attack when you can just nuke it

[eternal palm]

5head

[inner iron]

Ww1 style staring contest until 1946

[eternal palm]

Just make nukes

[inner iron]

And then let the nukes fly

[magic aspen]

❤️

[eternal palm]

Just naval invade Brest

Easy

[tawdry nebula]

Also should I ask the license/buy Tiger 1 and Bf 109 E-7 from Germany?

[inner iron]

Just wait for Spain to join the axis

Somehow the only axis minor so happy to blast out with attacks and naval invasions

[eternal palm]

Reduce stab and wait for civil war

[inner iron]

Idk who coded the Spanish AI

[tawdry nebula]

If it's worth?

[inner iron]

Heavy tanks overall are a waste of ic

[eternal palm]

They're larping as hard as possible don't try to correct them

[inner iron]

He can't even larp because I've never seen the German AI get the tiger

[tawdry nebula]

It's fine and I understand and thanks Keusch.

[tawdry nebula]

I'm using BICE mod currently.

[vital cove]

so you like to suffer

got it

[tawdry nebula]

Not suffer, but I enjoy and have fun in BICE.

[void eagle]

With an millennium dawn economy btw

While an minor

Had to get an mod for a focus tree

Had 0 manpower slot of the time

[inner iron]

I wish I could say that you belong to a mental institution

But I can't since I play MD

[tawdry nebula]

Why? Just for know.

I also Play Millennium Dawn.

[eternal palm]

This is what I meant before

if you enjoy BICE

All power to you

The rest of the world does not agree, apparently

[mental mantle]

Isn’t BICE deprecated?

[eternal palm]

Guy rolled back prob

[tawdry nebula]

I see.

[mental mantle]

Ah

[tawdry nebula]

And thanks CreepAgeDE.

[pale flare]

does production cap go up even if thing is not produced? if not, whats the minimum amount of material percentage needed?

[trim pike]

Wdym

Prod cap is affected by modifiers only

[pale flare]

like if i do this then is it gonna still increase?

[trim pike]

Thats just production efficiency

Not cap

[pale flare]

yeah mb no idea why i put cap

[honest glacier]

is it possible to puppet hungary and romania through the historical german focus tree

[pale flare]

WHAT THE HELLLL

amazing

[tulip thorn]

I really hate how the game counts the size and strength of a navy as the amount of fleets you have

It should be total ship count

Or maybe naval dominance

[coarse ruin]

I don't think so but would have to check

[kind vale]

Imperial order of rome?

[pale flare]

fascist russia

[pale flare]

nvm it does

[polar beacon]

You know guys the biggest problem I find after 5000 hours is that I can't move camera with WASD

I also don't know navy, but that's not a problem

Ngl, is there any way actually to rebind camera movement to WASD?

[winged field]

There should be a script so you can do that. Just try to look it up.

[polar beacon]

you know it's hard when you come back to hoi4 after playing ck3 where camera can be moved with WASD

I think every other modern pdx title after hoi4 has it actually, if im not mistaken

[winged field]

https://gist.github.com/magikmw/437f42bc2fa75fd39755be08bd634f66.js"></script>

Oops rip link

[winged field]

https://gist.github.com/magikmw/437f42bc2fa75fd39755be08bd634f66

This

[quasi osprey]

Average non agression pact list after declaring war on germany

[quasi osprey]

germany struggling

[vital cove]

is this mp?

[pale flare]

no

[vital cove]

I've never seen the ai ever get that many factories

[pale flare]

they got half the world

i was playing chile so didnt care about europe

[tawdry nebula]

One question guys.

What is your opinion of IJN Shinano?

[fair horizon]

meh

kinda didnt do anything irl

azur lane design goes hard tho

[tawdry nebula]

True, but she is a nice ship as I also like the one of Azur Lane.

[molten forge]

what country do you guys think is underated

[misty fossil]

_ _

[tawdry nebula]

?

[patent thistle]

waste of resources like the yamato class as a whole

[umbral smelt]

as Greece in vanilla, after i succeed in the megali idea convention both france and england bailed out of the war when it started

how do i get them to join me

[fair horizon]

any of the countries with default trees like central amercia

[pale flare]

philippines though i admit its pretty half baked ngl

[patent thistle]

especially colombia

[fair horizon]

if it had been completed earlier it might have been useful compared to the yamato

[tawdry nebula]

True and I see.

[fair horizon]

too bad it was late war and also got sunk when it went to go get its kamikazes

[patent thistle]

no it wouldnt

[fair horizon]

an extra carrier in a time when japan could have used it against the usa? i think so

[tawdry nebula]

It's was going to Kure as she was still unfished and lunched while a B-29 Super Fortress passed over her.

[patent thistle]

it was litterally sunk by one angry american submarine

proves flaws

[fair horizon]

well it did get hit like 4 times iirc

on a skeleton crew no less

[tawdry nebula]

Yep, USS Archerfish SS-311.

[umbral smelt]

does anybody know how i can get them to honor their commitments

[patent thistle]

no shit its a battleship hull

[fair horizon]

right but if it had been completed a few years earlier it would have been more useful than the yamato or the musashi

too bad for them though

[tawdry nebula]

Well, actually IJN Yamato sunk 1 US Navy Aircraft Carrier.

[fair horizon]

eh the carrier was an escort carrier tbh

[patent thistle]

do i have to remind you what happend to taiho when she was rushed?

[tawdry nebula]

Yeah, but it did something at last.

[tawdry nebula]

I don't know that tbh.

[fair horizon]

also the whole battle off samar was kinda the americans on the back foot the whole time

[molten forge]

is it bad i was gonna say czech dlcless

[fair horizon]

most of the planes didnt even have ordnance for fighting ships

[tawdry nebula]

Thanks.

[patent thistle]

yes, also an angry american submarine

[fair horizon]

didnt that happen to a us carrier too?

or mabye british

oh yeah it was the one sunk during pedestal

[tawdry nebula]

Yeah.

[fair horizon]

HMS eagle

[patent thistle]

two actually

[patent thistle]

HMS Ark royal too

[molten forge]

what do you think of czech tho

[fair horizon]

i dont really know a lot about the ark royal tbh

[fair horizon]

never played them

[tawdry nebula]

You mean Angry Scharnhorst vs HMS Furious?

[fair horizon]

Glorious

[molten forge]

try it

its goated

[fair horizon]

i mean i tried hungary and lost to germany so ill pass

[patent thistle]

actually not, i did remember another carrier tho

[tawdry nebula]

Oh, yeah I confused the name.

[patent thistle]

ark royal was sunk by an italian destroyer

[fair horizon]

its the second longest battleship shot on another surface ship to happen tied with warspite (though the first longest was against a moored battleship)

[molten forge]

historical/

?

[fair horizon]

yeah

[tawdry nebula]

Actually if U-556 had torpedo it could had saved Bismarck and sunk HMS Ark Royal.

[fair horizon]

historical

[patent thistle]

angry scharnhorst and gneisenau*

[tawdry nebula]

Ja.

[fair horizon]

bismarck was dead the moment it sunk hood

[tawdry nebula]

In part.

As U-556 was built near Bismarck.

[patent thistle]

even if it didnt it would have been dead the second its voyage started

Hood just added fuel to the fire

[molten forge]

you can get hungary and bulgaria if you form faction with romania and yugo then become fascist

[fair horizon]

yeah i mean i played hungary to do the austro hungarian thing and then the czechs and the sudetenland crap made me go to war with germany who promptly kicked my butt

[tawdry nebula]

True.

[molten forge]

damn

[patent thistle]

USS Wasp and USS Yorktown

[molten forge]

try to go czech and like keep the line

[quasi osprey]

Soviets cooked

[patent thistle]

arent they always?

[tawdry nebula]

Also.

[fair horizon]

yeah tbf its the perfect time to attack a carrier so

[quasi osprey]

no not always and I will be cooked once the soviets fall probably

[tawdry nebula]

Is this good for a main IJN fleet? I mean the 1 Kantai.

[patent thistle]

ye but unlike the losses of shinano and taiho, those were not new

[fair horizon]

why so many ship types?

[quasi osprey]

I am communist so they will go after me too

[tawdry nebula]

I larp pretty much.

[patent thistle]

looks like some kind of naval rework mod

[tawdry nebula]

It's BICE mod.

Not a rework.

[patent thistle]

not my fault i barely play mods

outside of a few

[fair horizon]

oh black ice

[tawdry nebula]

It's fine don't worry.

[tawdry nebula]

Yep.

[fair horizon]

i saw tommykay play that and complain because oil makes that entire mod suck

[fair horizon]

gross

[patent thistle]

its a battleship carrier

[fair horizon]

still gross

[patent thistle]

explain to me why

[fair horizon]

could have had real carriers smh

[patent thistle]

i have those too

[noble crown]

I dont like how in vanilla when you make a new cruiser the other one turns obsolete: i just made a heavy cruiser yet the light advanced cruiser is considered obsolete

[fair horizon]

how many planes can they hold btw?

[patent thistle]

depends how many hangers you put on them

[fair horizon]

click the button next to the design to make it not obselete

[noble crown]

Well i feel dumb

[tawdry nebula]

From what mod it come from?

Or is the new dlc?

[patent thistle]

i made it have 30 planes, the main damage is dealt by the guns anyways

[fair horizon]

hopefully its limited to like half of what a carrier of each level could have

30 seems fine, half a battleship and all

[tawdry nebula]

Well also Ise become like that a hybrid.

[fair horizon]

still widldly impractical

[fair horizon]

also never used its planes in combat

[patent thistle]

the hanger space of each module is 15

[pale flare]

ironman compatible?

[quasi osprey]

🥳

[tawdry nebula]

You mean BICE mod?

[fair horizon]

eh seems a little too good imo, should be 10 but w/e

[pale flare]

nvm

[patent thistle]

eh, maybe if they added those actually

into the actual game

we have experimental things after all

[fair horizon]

it would be cool, special projects are just expiremental nonsense things anyways

[tawdry nebula]

If not wrong seatender are coming?

[fair horizon]

they already exist

its a destroyer module

[tawdry nebula]

From No Compromise, No Surrender?

[fair horizon]

doesnt add any planes you can attack with though

[patent thistle]

i think he meant it as an actual class, tho that aint happening anymore

[patent thistle]

you dont need to have the DLC

[tawdry nebula]

Oh, ok.

Also I was refering to this one.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3796250/Hearts_of_Iron_IV_Seaplane_Tenders/

Steam

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$48.77

[pale flare]

they should make the AI pump out more ships first

well, balanced ships

[tawdry nebula]

For the rest I can't wait to buy No Compromise, No Surrender, Prototype Vehicle and Götterdämmerung.

[fair horizon]

also to anyone that has the dlcs are escort carriers good?

cause if they arent i dont plan on buying it till its on sale

[patent thistle]

i buy ANY DLC that adds battlecarriers

[pale flare]

imo nah

[fair horizon]

the special project ones

[pale flare]

they should not be special project imo

[tawdry nebula]

Wait so it come from the dlc? I mean for make Battlecarrier?

[patent thistle]

no not yet

those are from a mod

[fair horizon]

like are the ships good though? they're just cheaper carriers with less planes right?

[tawdry nebula]

Oh, ok and thanks.

[hushed loom]

chat is it better to vasalize or to conquer

[tawdry nebula]

Quing Army.

Assert Out Authority I would say.

[vital cove]

conquer

unless you have a focus to annex subjects later

[hushed loom]

alr

[pale flare]

decent yeh

[tawdry nebula]

If you like design ships and so on you can give a try to Black Ice.

[pale flare]

i just dont like em

[fair horizon]

found this on a video thats cheaper than a real converted carrier :/

kinda irks me

[viscid swift]

guys what happens if i declare war on a country thats guaranteed by a country which has Neutral Forein Policy?

[fair horizon]

black ice has too many annoying mechanics to use navy so ill pass

[tawdry nebula]

Yeah if it's not really completed from the look of it.

[tawdry nebula]

Understood and it's fine.

[pale flare]

you can see "potential enemies" list

[fair horizon]

same plane space though

[viscid swift]

ohhh

[tawdry nebula]

Regarding that I hope they add the plane designer.

[pale flare]

its a dlc

[supple snow]

Plane designer came out like 2 years ago

[tawdry nebula]

Yeah, but BICE still didn't add it.

[supple snow]

Oooh

Black ice scares me

If I want the game to be unreasonably hard, I’ll just play the sheep mod

[tawdry nebula]

If they add the Plane Designer in BICE I would for sure make the Nakajima G10N Fugaku.

[untold sphinx]

is it possible to get giant wakes as usa in 36

[trim lotus]

You'd have 295 days to convince other players/AI to somehow spike world tension to 30% or declare war on the US. Not really likely with AI and historical focuses, or even ahistorical focuses.

[patent thistle]

poland did not see that coming

[trim lotus]

Does the AI have a habit of pushing out underequipped divisions or something? Do they not properly fill their divisions out with support companies? As the US in 1942, my ~50 divisions in France have just been tearing Germany a new one and I'm not 100% sure why.

Yes, part of it is having cut huge swathes of the German army off from supplies, but AI divisions just seem... weak.

[pale flare]

cut huge swathes of the German army off from supplies
thats why theyre under equipped

[inner iron]

The AI eats rocks if they can't cas bomb you

[tawdry nebula]

True.

[weary lagoon]

that's when you know that you've played for so long

[strong belfry]

İs the year 1960s or smth

[patent thistle]

litterally just liberated them a bit ago and stalin already dislikes their existance

[violet veldt]

Lore accurate stalin ig idfk

[azure palm]

As always.

[patent thistle]

litterally september 1937 rn

[tawdry nebula]

McArthur as President?!

[molten forge]

Soo

[violet veldt]

Are they zpeedrunning

[molten forge]

i have a war goal against myself

[tawdry nebula]

Wait what Reichkommisariat is that one?

[weary lagoon]

nop, 1945

[violet veldt]

Are youmm

[weary lagoon]

yeah he can be elected in 1944

i think if you go landon

[patent thistle]

rip yugo cause the brits just gave up on them and they still refused

[hollow silo]

general gov

[molten forge]

lol

btw who wants to see a simple war goal against myself

[tawdry nebula]

I see and nice.

[woven dragon]

I have been summoned

[patent thistle]

thats what you get yugoslavia for denying

[patent thistle]

there is litterally no disadvantage here

[gleaming iron]

this is a little crazy

[patent thistle]

January 1938

czechs are about to be gone too

[tawdry nebula]

Hello.

[kind vale]

i make decisions by gambling

[kind vale]

what happened to poland.

[patent thistle]

early war go BRR

[kind vale]

ahhhhh

yes

[patent thistle]

the 2 front war aint an issue if there aint a second front anymore

[kind vale]

true that

what year did you invade poland

[patent thistle]

late 1936

rip greece

[kind vale]

why is hitler like that

[patent thistle]

german censorship -_-

[kind vale]

rip

[tawdry nebula]

Didn't the dlc removed the censorship?

[kind vale]

yeah it did

[tawdry nebula]

Luckly I had bought it time ago.

[gentle briar]

whats a good medium tank template and a division for it?

[kind vale]

gun

[gentle briar]

??

[kind vale]

gun

[gentle briar]

ok i will use a gun thank you for your help

[kind vale]

GUN

[gentle briar]

medium cannon?

[kind vale]

big gun

[gentle briar]

heavy cannon?

[kind vale]

bigger

[gentle briar]

super heavy?

[kind vale]

bigger

[inland night]

Hello

Rip the turret off a warship is what I'm gathering

[fair horizon]

He means go make a battleship

[kind vale]

bigger

[gentle briar]

ok

[kind vale]

land battleship

[tawdry nebula]

P.1000 Ratte join in.

[kind vale]

doom turtle

[untold sphinx]

41 btw

[kind vale]

damn bro

calm down

pearl harbor ws not that deep

[fair horizon]

Show dockyards

Bro went with desperate defense on the usa 🥀

[untold sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[kind vale]

only 28?

[fair horizon]

Thats not the usa

[untold sphinx]

who does dockyards in singleplayer

[fair horizon]

Me

[kind vale]

everyone

[ripe slate]

Everyone

[untold sphinx]

36 navy enough to kill japan

[fair horizon]

I like boats

[kind vale]

boats are the best as usa

[kind vale]

nah

need more boat

need 2500 aircraft carriers

[fair horizon]

Bro they dont even give us the uss langley 😭

[untold sphinx]

700 of those coming to d-day

[fair horizon]

Lore accurate america

[kind vale]

yes

usa is best

needs update

[kind vale]

boo

use tanks

[fair horizon]

Australia needs update

[kind vale]

they got one

they got flying tanks

[fair horizon]

Let me refloat the indefiable class or w/e it was

[sudden thistle]

Update?

For this company?

It’s a dlc

[fair horizon]

I HATE ADVISORY WAR COUNCIL

[kind vale]

update dlc same thing

[fair horizon]

ITS THE WORST FOCUS IN THE ENTIRE GAME

[sudden thistle]

Ur not playing the US right if u don’t have 5000 ships in ur navy

[kind vale]

99999999999999999999999*

[untold sphinx]

navy useless not cool and boring

AI cant do navy

[kind vale]

youre useless

[fair horizon]

Tldr for peiple who havent played australia you have a focus you need to beb at war or have world tension at 20% to get a third research slot and then you have another where you have to be at war for your other two

[sudden thistle]

U are clearly not a true autistic person

[sudden thistle]

Based

[untold sphinx]

i used to do navy and spam super heavy battleships with like 500 hard attack or something cuz i thought it was funny but its not that cool

[kind vale]

just make a fleet with only 2500 aircraft carriers

[safe wing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ag2x3CS9M

[safe wing]

basically this video in a nutshell

[severe flume]

is bro transporting mc donalds and ice cream for his troops

[kind vale]

it all started when they gave women the same jobs as men

[severe flume]

fr just shit out a bunch of cruisers not that hard japan ( pov oil issue)

[fair horizon]

How do you go about fixing the whole 80 planes per naval battle without negatives?

[molten forge]

hey vendrip, so like, i somehow got a justification on myself

[kind vale]

just invade Venezuela

ez oil

[kind vale]

more planes

its a simple fix

[fair horizon]

you get negatives for anything over 80

[kind vale]

just add more planes

[meager valley]

What is

[molten forge]

which

[inland falcon]

france is the worst focus tree for a major btw

[meager valley]

Not really, their monarchy trees are pretty fun.

I’d argue USA is

[inland falcon]

the usa is pretty bad but it's not nearly as bad as the french. who actually enjoys fascist or communist france

[fair horizon]

Advisory war council in austtalia

[meager valley]

Bro every US path is trash

[inland falcon]

yeah but theres still enough to do for the army, navy and air force so it's passable imo

in terms of actual fun, the french tree is worse

[patent thistle]

now going after the dutch

its october 38 still

[molten forge]

is it bad i think communist shanxi is good?

[kind vale]

still got more to do than france

[kind vale]

how bro

[inland falcon]

nah, chinese warlords are kinda fun from time to time

[fair horizon]

France has an amazing tree wut?

[inland falcon]

no it doesn't lol

[kind vale]

nah

[fair horizon]

Play romania or some country with a bad tree lmao

[kind vale]

even the base tree is better

[inland falcon]

france is a major though

[patent thistle]

this is how you dodge the british garanties like a pro

[inland falcon]

the fact bourbon france used to do literally nothing was so funny

[fair horizon]

France tree is infinitely better than the usa tree

[inland falcon]

its really not

playing anything besides the monarchists is a drag

both suck though

[fair horizon]

Ive played commie and democratic france they're good

[patent thistle]

like the US isnt a drag

[patent thistle]

more like Meh

[inland falcon]

US pre war is the worst thing in the game i'll agree

the problem is kinda just, as more DLCs come out the older ones get worse by comparison

infinite money by paradox

[fair horizon]

paradox better not mess up the australia dlc

[molten forge]

except china taking out soviet rn

[kind vale]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-money-money-futurama-gif-6882124657810317443

[molten forge]

*japan

[fair horizon]

ngl if they removed the 2 blocks in the australia tree it would be 10x better

[patent thistle]

they couldnt even call in the east indies...

[kind vale]

no tires

[inland falcon]

i just know the new zealand tree is gonna suck

theres nothing to do with this country

[fair horizon]

who cares

[inland falcon]

we screwed around in egypt and thats about it

[fair horizon]

its basically not a country

[inland falcon]

i do, because i'm from nz

[fair horizon]

so you're australian

[inland falcon]

no i'm not from the west island

[patent thistle]

eh, it has its advantages, japan will not piss me off

[kind vale]

true

[patent thistle]

the allies seeing this:

https://tenor.com/view/scared-uh-oh-looking-up-gif-18795702

[kind vale]

i wanna try this now

[inland falcon]

please bro, just one more concession to the germans. appeasement will work trust me bro, it's a good idea, please

[patent thistle]

mostly you just want to have a good opinion with atleast the UK

so they sell out yugo

[kind vale]

ah alright

just have good relation with uk and maybe france

[patent thistle]

also rush anschluss

[icy wyvern]

what do railways actually do? like if i just put them to my front will that really do any difference. like just connect them from an supply hub to just provinces

[kind vale]

always do

[sudden thistle]

Maybe just massive bloat for army buffs

[inland falcon]

nothing, railways are totally useless and you should never build them

[sudden thistle]

“Remember gallipoli”

Or however u spell it

[kind vale]

railways are op

[inland falcon]

give NZ trials of allegiance base release levels of division buffs, it's a really good idea

[sudden thistle]

But they can’t rlly do much with their 1.5m population

If there isn’t a focus for Australia / New Zealand to unite imma kms

[inland falcon]

small but mighty or wtv

[fair horizon]

time to remind everyone that 1 million australians served in their armed forces during ww2

[inland falcon]

yeah, but ruled directly from wellington

[fair horizon]

they had a population under 10m

[icy wyvern]

stop

[icy wyvern]

please anyone know

[fair horizon]

ew no you're an island nation

[sudden thistle]

Literally Czechoslovakia bro

[kind vale]

Make railways and alot of trains

Then railway guns

[inland falcon]

so is australia?

[kind vale]

And invade Luxembourg

[fair horizon]

yeah but they have the landmass and you dont

[inland falcon]

they're basically kiwis with an accent anyway

[icy wyvern]

yeah but if i just put an railway from an supply hub to an part with low supply will that do anything?

[fair horizon]

i mean lets face it you're basically part of australia

[kind vale]

Idk

[kind vale]

NZ sucks

Weaker than Luxembourg

[icy wyvern]

please

[fair horizon]

smh new zealand never even had an aircraft carrier irl

[inland falcon]

we had the best tank in ww2 though

we didn't even lose one, completely undefeated

[fair horizon]

apollyon agree with me that both australia and new zealand need to be able to refloat their indefatigable class battleships

[inland falcon]

sure

why not

[fair horizon]

based

[inland falcon]

i'm gonna kms if there's a "Polynesian empire" path

[fair horizon]

lmao

[sudden thistle]

Imma beg for that

Dw

[fair horizon]

casey told me they core taiwan with that tho so

like real pop for nz

[inland falcon]

Nvm, Polynesian empire sounds pretty good

[fair horizon]

im gonna try a nz playthrough here soon \

[vital cove]

no

railways only connect between supply hubs

[heavy vigil]

theres not but its a decision formable

the maori thingy lets you ask for islands tho

[fair horizon]

casey im gonna do my nz playthrough now

[heavy vigil]

wowie

[inland falcon]

ratana alliance?

[long igloo]

hi everyone

[inland falcon]

i wont even try and pretend like the NZ focus tree isn't objectively the worst in the game

[icy wyvern]

thanksss

[vital cove]

is it worth anything

[fair horizon]

its far better than the australia tree

[vital cove]

do the islands have anything

[inland falcon]

surely not

[fair horizon]

more manpower than your country

[long igloo]

I am new to the server. Can anyone tell me how to play online with others

[vital cove]

low bar

[fair horizon]

unironically it is though

[inland falcon]

i mean, independent new zealand is literally just a spectator mode focus

[fair horizon]

nz sucks

[hushed loom]

is this a good map chat

[heavy vigil]

chromium in new caledonia and pop

[inland falcon]

surely we have coal

[long igloo]

the world after Coal War

[heavy vigil]

sometimes, hawai'i has favtories

[vital cove]

ig that's something

[fair horizon]

you get new caledonia for feee?

based country ngl

[heavy vigil]

if youre in a faction with france and ask

same goes for all other pacific islands

[fair horizon]

what do i do for buildings?

look at this mess

i cant even go civs first 😭

[inland falcon]

go for rule them all

[heavy vigil]

land facility, air facility optional

mils

[heavy vigil]

why do you need those

[fair horizon]

building stuff

[heavy vigil]

you get like a million of them

[fair horizon]

bro wheres my navy supposed to come from 😭

im stuck on a crappy islands

[long igloo]

how navy even works

[heavy vigil]

oh then do docks instead of mils

just make sure to balance air foci so you can rush frame

[inland falcon]

you can get like two destroyers from britain

[heavy vigil]

and get eco + slots

[inland falcon]

game impact

[fair horizon]

build cruiser, build carrier

[heavy vigil]

ignore army side until thats done

[fair horizon]

first one

[long igloo]

ohhh

[heavy vigil]

the political tree lets you ask icelands but its like

you gotta ally them

idk if youre playing hist

on ahist maybe its worth rushing?

but the research slot

💔

easiest way to break free is communist civil war/path

[fair horizon]

omg nz has perfect supply

[heavy vigil]

path takes pp tho

[long igloo]

oh real life tip

[fair horizon]

no battleship mio, its over boys

OK THIS IS BULL

WHY DOES NZ GET A PLANE MIO BUT AUSTRALIA HAS TO BE DEMOCRATIC FOR THEIRS?

[quiet vessel]

so many more things to worry about in life than ts

[patent thistle]

THEY DARED

THEY DECLEARED ON MY PUPPET

[inland falcon]

the greater nz agenda will continue

[inland falcon]

no to be honest this is the biggest issue facing the world rn

[fair horizon]

im nuking nz from now on

[inland falcon]

you can try, but you'll never get the range

[fair horizon]

oh ill get the range

[inland falcon]

Amerikabomber? nah, more like Neuseelandbomber

[fair horizon]

its only like a thousand km

from sydney

either way from now on im reducing it to rubble

[gleaming iron]

guys would yall use your focus tree to get mills or decisions

[fair horizon]

both

what color is polynesia?

[gleaming iron]

choose one

focus tree or decisions

[fair horizon]

depends what stage of the game you're at

[gleaming iron]

before civil war

[fair horizon]

oml NZ DOESNT EVEN NEED TO DO A FOCUS TO RAISE THEIR CONSCRIPTION

[fair horizon]

what country?

[gleaming iron]

making a mod

for that

so just asking what would be better

[fair horizon]

well probs both then still

like make them seperate focuses

[gleaming iron]

ofcourse

[molten forge]

hmm

[fair horizon]

this isnt fair btw

dont even have to research cas or torpedoes

[molten forge]

hey can i ask your hepl for something

[fair horizon]

just guns and plane

[fair horizon]

depends on what it is

[molten forge]

i cant get a specific region to have enough supplise

[fair horizon]

show supply

[gleaming iron]

build rails

[molten forge]

theres rails on red btw

[untold sphinx]

were the axis ready for that tho

[fair horizon]

which area is the problem issue albania?

[untold sphinx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1460399927384473782/1461041985476366418/0114.mov?ex=69691ce2&is=6967cb62&hm=ffc341ec841aa8d3190ca3a500550645d2d1cac35ed03978578928f101f221fc&

[molten forge]

...

my dumbass forgot my nation a dumbass

[gleaming iron]

[fair horizon]

broken tree btw

[inland falcon]

i miss the bob semple

[fair horizon]

do any still exist?

[kind vale]

Im going to make the most expensive heavy tanks in can

[inland falcon]

irl? i dont think so. we only made one afaik

[molten forge]

am also cooked bcs i cant trade with anynore

anyone

[fair horizon]

good, i can only imagine what might have happened if they still existed

weapons of war that thing

[inland falcon]

the world trembles... with laughter

i think if you disable NSB you can still research it

[heavy vigil]

shitty buffs

[fair horizon]

wym

[kind vale]

Whats a good ic for heavy tanks

[fair horizon]

its the best tree

[fair horizon]

one you can afford

[kind vale]

41.04 it is

[green lodge]

Bro lithuania

Cannot annex poland

[kind vale]

Yes they can

[green lodge]

Nuh uh

They're a general union or smth

I can't even annex them

[kind vale]

I wonder what happens if I have 0% reliability on a tank

[molten forge]

this is good enough forn ow

ima return later

[fair horizon]

ask the germans

[kind vale]

Nah they only make reliable things

[fair horizon]

not tanks 💀

[weary lagoon]

multiplayer endgame be like

[fervent minnow]

man historical germany is just unfun

to me at least

[molten forge]

Hey vendrip quick question

[molten forge]

Wth do I do with the japanese

[fair horizon]

push them off the mainland

[molten forge]

(am in an alliance with the warlord states and China is stuck with me)

[molten forge]

They're not in my mainland

[fair horizon]

oh then idk

[molten forge]

Am currently keeping them behind

But I can't progress

Lack of air

And I can't make planes bc Japan blocks trades with all iron and tungsten sellers

[fair horizon]

idk make mountaineers or trade with india

so much manpower

so i just got all those islands for free lmao

[patent thistle]

THATS WHAT YOU F***ERS GET FOR LAST STAND SPAMING

[crisp wyvern]

hoi4ders

uh nvm I forgot what I was about to say

[patent thistle]

rip turkish navy, thanks for the free training

[sudden thistle]

What happened to the ocean

[patent thistle]

new zealand gameplay?

[fair horizon]

probs my map mod

[fair horizon]

its so boring

[patent thistle]

lol

[fair horizon]

like amazing focus tree

horrible placement and everything else with this country

thanks britian

[analog wave]

Anybody got an overview somewhere of all the NSNC doctrine paths? Wiki has not been updated yet.

[patent thistle]

turkey has now a fate worse then death

[patent thistle]

thats what you f***ing get last stand spaming idiots

[fair horizon]

yeah ngl nz is too boring

[lime seal]

i encircled nearly 70 german divisions in netherlands and from nowhere they created some type of country and i losta ll the progress

[stuck nymph]

whats the odds of battle of bosporous being integrated into the base game within the next 1 year like mtg did

[woven gate]

karl donuts eats the turkish navy

[fair horizon]

can coastal defense ships upgrade into carriers?

[slim nexus]

Berlin is my favorite turkish city 🐺

[hoary pecan]

hey guys i just came back to hoi4 after a while, is there a new meta for no dlcs now?

[terse heron]

Returning the kaiser has some unexpected consequences

[hoary pecan]

guys whats the mass mob doctrine now called

[gleaming iron]

average turkish nightmare

[knotty vortex]

what path lets you annex the most as norway

[cunning solstice]

Would it be possible for us to get a special project for a Super-Heavy carrier? Japan took a Yamato class battleship hull and converted into a carrier called the Shinano

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Shinano

[fair horizon]

HOW

THEY DIDNT EVEN HAVE A WAR GOAL

[sudden thistle]

Modern carriers?

[quasi osprey]

[sudden thistle]

Should be a special project

[fair horizon]

i love that my campaign just ended because gb declared war on me out of the blue

10/ 0

like its 1938

[tawdry nebula]

I'm in part ready for the war in China.

[fair horizon]

why the heck are they invading norway

[tawdry nebula]

I'm not invading Norway.

[fair horizon]

this is absolute garbage

i told them i wouldnt trade with germany

my bad britian

[quasi osprey]

[tawdry nebula]

Nice!

Alright.

[sudden thistle]

Are u having fun yet

How many resources don’t exist

[patent thistle]

one angry USS Archerfish on the 29.11.1944 at 3:17 AM:

[tawdry nebula]

Yep a lot.

[tawdry nebula]

This are all the resource there are. @sudden thistle
Oil, Aluminium, Rubber, Tungsten, Steel, Alloying Metals, Bauxite, Coal, Iron and Food.

[knotty vortex]

how do you get rid of The Hard Thirties as Norway?

[fair horizon]

change governments

otherwise iirc its in your tree

[knotty vortex]

ouch

that sucks

i literally have no civs free

[fair horizon]

not really

[fair horizon]

just build civs go commie or fascist and boom its over

[knotty vortex]

i am facist

[fair horizon]

17% stability

[knotty vortex]

i didnt even start a war

i took over via referendum

[fair horizon]

doesnt matter the whole going fascist thing causes your stab to go low

you shouldnt have hard thirties btw

[knotty vortex]

so whats the recovery plan

[sharp sierra]

i think that path was just booty anyways

[knotty vortex]

i have it

[fair horizon]

mabye referendum doesnt remove it

[sudden thistle]

How many do u have a deficit though without trading

[knotty vortex]

why do my screenshots exposure go so high

[sudden thistle]

Looks like all except chromium

[fair horizon]

when the civil war started i was able to do better norway

[patent thistle]

i think its time to finally use this navy

and not just to bully the turkish

oh yeah btw what i left of turkey now has exploded

[knotty vortex]

bruh what is this exposure problem

[snow rain]

focuses
probably the economic branch

[snow rain]

you should get a manpower-generating advisor asap