hoi4-general

[woven gate]

accurate

[inland falcon]

ngl i completely disagree. playing majors is a way better way to learn the mechanics

[woven gate]

i barely change my templates until i conquer china to add insult to injury

[opaque zinc]

I’ve played as Netherlands and formed the European Union and like held for a long time against Germany and Japan

Which was good

[crisp wyvern]

It's my own opinion so, I don't judge, I love having to build my airforce and navy from scratch and have my country to rule the seas and skies

[opaque zinc]

But I eventually got capitulated cause I lost air superiority and all that

[sharp sierra]

play soviets

[opal nymph]

Minors have less things to worry about

Majors give you more resources to work with and more control at the cost of having to deal with more things at once

[inland falcon]

i tried playing new zealand as my first country and that really sucked. learning germany was where i started figuring it out (this was pre-gottdamerrung tho)

[crisp wyvern]

nightmare

[opal nymph]

Pick your poison

[opaque zinc]

The only majors I’ve played is Germany and Poland is Poland a major country

[last dawn]

I have turkey, romania and greece on 65% communism but they're still not flipping, what I'm I supposed to do

[inland falcon]

i can imagine the game is a lot less beginner friendly these days

[opal nymph]

Poland is a minor that can become as powerful as a major

[opaque zinc]

Even if I’m doing bad I’m still having a lot of fun

[crisp wyvern]

I once played as Australia and got Indonesia and New Zealand as my puppets once, then got bored and called it a day

[opaque zinc]

I’ve became a major as Poland

It was fun

[opal nymph]

Think of majors as the most powerful countries

[crisp wyvern]

I raised a 1 million men army as Communist Mexico once

[opal nymph]

Your empires

[inland falcon]

i naval invaded and capped italy as new zealand and was left wondering why i had no manpower 😭

the ai used to be so bad

[opaque zinc]

The Netherlands was my most fun game though

[crisp wyvern]

mfw their country is a small patch of land with 3M population and 16M sheep

[opaque zinc]

Since that’s the best I’ve ever held up against 2 big counties

[crisp wyvern]

with 18,000 people and a half a million sheep

[opal nymph]

The best game I had since NCNS came out was armored car UK

[inland falcon]

actually during ww2 nz's population was half of that lol

[opal nymph]

That was peak

I suggest everyone do an armored car UK game

Or armored car Germany game

[opaque zinc]

Should I wait to get dlc or like

[crisp wyvern]

💔

[opal nymph]

Base game is surprisingly playable, though no step back, arms against tyranny, and by blood alone are your most important dlcs

[crisp wyvern]

People should've had procreated more during the 1930s and 40s so I could have more manpower as Australia or Greece in hoi4

[opal nymph]

Dont you mean the 1910s and 20s

[crisp wyvern]

imagine 8B world population in 1936

[crisp wyvern]

Oh yeah, my bad

[woven gate]

i'm gonna stab the european pos who made hoi4 for bringing this addiction upon me

[opal nymph]

Got to have the kids age up to be recruitable

[crisp wyvern]

not if the Reich is falling apart

[main pond]

If mp meta tanks are actually designed IRL it would be extremely horrifying

[inland falcon]

my second game (first was prc) in NCNS was the kumul khanate cavalry only and it was lwk one of the most fun games i've played

[opal nymph]

It is that one soviet tank

T-35?

[main pond]

Like imagine a giant tank destroyer with 6 cannons

[opal nymph]

Just slap a KV-2 gun on it

I used to say the M3 Lee was basically a meta tank

[opaque zinc]

The longest game I’ve had is 1942 I think (I didn’t lose the game I just haven’t played it since and moved on to different countries)

It’s with like a lot of stupid custom rules so like

Almost all countries are seperated

Separated

And it did get me in the first war I’ve had trouble with

Where I invaded some Germanic state and it got the republic of Ukraine to attack me as Poland

[main pond]

According to Hoi4 mp meta, a single squadron of meta plane can delete the entire british air force

[opaque zinc]

And I did bad since it was my first real war but I still have the save and I think with what I’ve learned from other saves now

I think I can defeat them now

[sharp sierra]

are there any bugs with patrolling

no enemy ships in the sea zone got a death stack patrolling no supremacy progress

[jagged totem]

@heavy vigil, what does seaplane tender fits in HoI4, i forgot?
Is it one of the NCNS-only ships?

[heavy vigil]

ships

models

[jagged totem]

Just checked the Wiki, it's one of cosmetic models provided by a cosmetic DLC.
Hmm, in-game, it does have a separate ship category (DD, CL, BC, etc.) or functioning like one of them?

[sharp sierra]

how much does it cost again

[jagged totem]

Didn't know
What matters is that if it constitute as a separate ship category, i should add a decision to create a seaplane tender in my mod, for those who owned that DLC.
Otherwise i would not.

[heavy vigil]

its just cosmetic lol

im 90% sure

[agile perch]

✌️

[agile perch]

how is germany AI losing

i thought theyre AI was insane

[sharp sierra]

they always lose

[agile perch]

when i was spectating they made it to moscow almost

[leaden mulch]

its because they dont have norway

trust

also finland not being in the war

[agile perch]

im finland kinda

i got finland land atleast

but i got no idea how to play im just doing offensive line and praying

[sharp sierra]

the go button will kill you

[leaden mulch]

false

[agile perch]

why

[leaden mulch]

they have 0 divisions assigned to the button

and they are not on aggressive

[leaden mulch]

delete all of your front lines right now and use the field marshal frontline

by shift clicking frontline on the soviet front

[agile perch]

Ok

donme

done

[leaden mulch]

it helps so much

on wide fronts

[agile perch]

🥀 💔

Noob supply

[leaden mulch]

bro did not shift click smh

[leaden mulch]

also wait before attacking your divisions are low health

[agile perch]

Ok

[leaden mulch]

only if germany is literally about to die should you start an offensive with such bad health units

[agile perch]

uh ohhhhhh

[leaden mulch]

its fine

trust

[agile perch]

🥀

forgot about this

[leaden mulch]

chat 😭

convoy raid them and put an army on that

[agile perch]

how can germany be this useless

its actually crazy

they are the most useless when it comes to operation barbossa

[leaden mulch]

they need norway i am telling u

[agile perch]

why thop

tho

[leaden mulch]

K.a.

[agile perch]

i was doing ok up here like omg

[leaden mulch]

you see the marshes

push through there where they have no supply

trust

you can make a huge encirclement

[agile perch]

no idea what that is i am a noob in this game

[sharp sierra]

swampy tiles

[leaden mulch]

terrain

[agile perch]

its to late tho bro

😭

[leaden mulch]

no it is not

smh

you can still win

[sharp sierra]

halt ur battle plan

[leaden mulch]

wait

yeah

why are you attacking

[agile perch]

how and where is that

[agile perch]

they are attacking me

[sharp sierra]

every tile has a terrain type

[leaden mulch]

they don't have one established

[agile perch]

not attacking

[agile perch]

Ok

how do i see that

[leaden mulch]

also this is still not a shift clicked front line

[sharp sierra]

click on it

[leaden mulch]

click on the province

[agile perch]

ok

[leaden mulch]

and at the bottom it will have a photo of a terrain

[sharp sierra]

check nanning out

[agile perch]

whats the difference

[leaden mulch]

shift clicked allows for better division spread

allowing for better holding

[agile perch]

dude theres no terrian here

that i can see

i clicked every tile

[agile perch]

okay

[leaden mulch]

see where nanning has the terrain "urban"?

[agile perch]

bradar im dead

[sharp sierra]

@agile perch see on this image where it says nanning is urban

[leaden mulch]

pull out of finland

[agile perch]

dude

[agile perch]

Ok

[leaden mulch]

you have gng

sorry

[leaden mulch]

but you are going to have to hold on sweden and norway for a bit

[leaden mulch]

plains is the terrain typing

[agile perch]

oh

so do i just put it on area defence and just hold sweden-norway finland border

or what

[leaden mulch]

no

there is a fallback line

order

[agile perch]

oh yea

ok ill make it

[silk gust]

Now’s that’s beautiful

[agile perch]

where do i put it tho

[leaden mulch]

use that and then send some of your troops to the german front line as not all 100 divisions you have is needed on that fallback line

[agile perch]

dang dude

[agile perch]

i send 20 divs good?

[silk gust]

Dawg I don’t see the print button on my keyboard

[leaden mulch]

gimme a sec

im opening hoi4

[agile perch]

ok

[leaden mulch]

hold oulu to petsamo

that will starve their divisions of supply

[maiden verge]

Billions trapped and that idiot smoking

Last cigar before the artillery

[agile perch]

damn ur smart huh

[leaden mulch]

nvm

oulo to murmansk

port to port

[agile perch]

woah woah woah

what about sweden-finland border

u want me to have fallback line here?

but what about whole this

[leaden mulch]

its cooked gng

ngl

its best to sacrifice that part of your country and hold defensible tiles than lose your entire country

[agile perch]

should i have troops likje this too

[leaden mulch]

?

[agile perch]

yes

u said sacrifice finland no?

[silk gust]

Battle of Minsk

[agile perch]

or

[leaden mulch]

sacrifice southern finland

hold from oulo to murmansk

fallback line looks like this

if you truly want to give it all up in exchange for the best defense then go for the Lulea to Narvik hold

[agile perch]

oh my god

[leaden mulch]

or troms

[agile perch]

i made a mistake

oops

[leaden mulch]

show

you can still load back a save

[agile perch]

1 sec

where the hell is oulo

[leaden mulch]

look at supply

its a port

northern finland

[agile perch]

like this?

[leaden mulch]

its too late draw back to petsamo

you are not going through the soviets

there

i can see the red bubble

[agile perch]

bradaaaaaar

so from Oulo to petasmo

?

[leaden mulch]

wherever the port is

petsamo

yeah

[primal osprey]

Hi everyone,
I was playing Germany and the event “The Loyalty of the Kriegsmarine” popped up, but I forgot what the requirements for this event are.
Is there any place in the game where I can check the events or decisions I have chosen before?

[agile perch]

ok so this

[leaden mulch]

no but just accept them anyways

[agile perch]

but what about the other field marshels and divisions what do i do with them just let them fight still?

[leaden mulch]

send them to the german front line in their northern front

[agile perch]

Okay

[stark pebble]

best I've done in a Germany save yet

[primal osprey]

Yes, I want to accept them, but I forgot what they want me to do to keep their loyalty. Is there somewhere I can check that?

[leaden mulch]

you just need to do one navy focus iirc

in 6 years

its not bad

[primal osprey]

can I see what I need to do in the game?

[leaden mulch]

hover over the event options and it should show you

[primal osprey]

Like some kind of quest log or mission log interface…?

I’ll take a look.

[leaden mulch]

no

the decisions tab would be where all that is

[agile perch]

congrats

germany is always fun when u actually take countries

[junior imp]

Don't unless monarchist path

other I think a civil war starts unless you do a focus

in a limited amount of time

and you don't get it as Communist Germany

[stark pebble]

*** yes

the british barely had 10 divs in france

[green lodge]

what's the best path for ethopia

[primal osprey]

Oh… I understand now, but I still want to know where the requirements are shown after you choose an event option.
I haven’t been able to find them so far.
Since I accepted it, I can’t see any related naval focus or decision that I’m supposed to take, and it seems like I can’t review that event anymore…

[green lodge]

I think i'll go comm

[silk gust]

Looked away for a year..

[stark pebble]

the allies just tried a naval invasion of Marseille in 1939...

getting crushed is their forte i see

however my norwegian invasion force seems to share that wth

ig i can go through sweden

[junior imp]

Its a focus

as I said if you don't go monarchist

and don't do the focus

you will have a civil war

You need monarchist

and btw its very unnecessary yeah you lose Dönitz and some good guys

but its not worth a civil war

Not like you aren't gonna steal

French or Bri'ish navy

• Maybe italy if you want to

[woven gate]

why is el generico your field marshal

[junior imp]

He is an Austrian Field Marshall

He is pretty good

[tropic lance]

no no no that's not el generico this i s

thats Sir generico

[dusk knoll]

i just manually justified and invaded the netherlands as germany without the uk being involved now i never have to worry about rubber again

[junior imp]

Early game?

[dusk knoll]

yeah i did it before poland

[junior imp]

Puppeted the dutch east right?

[dusk knoll]

yea

[junior imp]

Good

[dusk knoll]

i dont want cooked garrisons

[junior imp]

If you hadn't

It would be lost

very easly

as Bri'ish malaya

exists

Btw

You should justify on Lebanon now

You will get a 1% world tension

and you will be able to get

Belgium + France

without the UK guaranteeing

not sure if it would work in your case

[dusk knoll]

they already got in a faction

[junior imp]

Oh

You should do what I said though some other time

[agile perch]

good job

[junior imp]

I did it as Italy and had like all of the world

well almost

[leaden mulch]

the hold against germany is going to take forever

[junior imp]

I'm currently touching the Soviets

[junior imp]

This is a crime.

[leaden mulch]

why

[junior imp]

the borders

Ong

why

[leaden mulch]

its the norwegian monarchist path

[junior imp]

Still the borders

are ass

[dusk knoll]

"let me just scoot right past you"

[leaden mulch]

true actually

there is nothing to do with finland

in this focus tree

[dusk knoll]

is it worth it to get relclaim former african colonies

[leaden mulch]

idk

[junior imp]

Which country

I forgor

[dusk knoll]

germany

[junior imp]

No idea but if it is an Ultimatum

might as well try

free land is free land

[dusk knoll]

ok im about to go into danzig or war

[junior imp]

Alright

good luck

[agile perch]

btw whole axis got slimed out

[junior imp]

try not to get destroyed

[agile perch]

so i died

aswell

[stark pebble]

idk, that always happens

always shows up with that exact face when i play germany

[kind vale]

Why does Andorra have an economy of 10.76T and I only have 399.99B😭

[bold yew]

"Twitch streamers, time to pay taxes"

[cedar lance]

🇪🇪 tore DOWN what took CENTURIES TO BUILD

[bronze mango]

It's an Austrian field Marshall that you get after the anschluss, presumably you dont have Götterdämmerung and as such he is Generic

[stark pebble]

I see

[inland falcon]

TNO's economy system is a bit goofy rn

microstates get insane economic growth

[kind vale]

😭😭

[inland falcon]

i tried playing tno : rides on and i didn't realize how much i take the toolbox theory economy for granted

it's genuinely so much fun

compared to just civs and mils

[kind vale]

Yes

[tropic lance]

this is some kaiserreich levels of death stacking

[inland falcon]

Fiume can NOT be this useful

[coarse ruin]

• Mussolini to D'Annunzio, 1921

sorry I got the year wrong, should be in 1920

[eternal palm]

Nah fam I'm Finna build this Internationalism all by myself!

[celest dirge]

Hmm, it is just me or Hoi4 special force is fine tune for marines? Like in term of size and organization.

Maybe calling them "special force" quite missleading

[atomic grove]

you are forgetting mountaineers

how could u disrespect recon rangers like that

[fair horizon]

i remember when rangers were horses 🧓

[limpid mantle]

paratroopers ontop

[fair horizon]

paratroopers SUCK

[limpid mantle]

theyre the cool suck kind

[fair horizon]

and yes its because im too stupid to figure out how to paradrop

[old lake]

Why does Austria exist

I didnt say it could do that

[icy crescent]

Do wat.

[old lake]

Exist

[icy crescent]

Gotta blame some nation for some guy with some art.

[atomic grove]

this is ragebait

[old lake]

No im playing as Germany

[icy crescent]

Austria exists for Arnold.

[icy crescent]

Free industry.
Pretty much.

[old lake]

They give me free divisions

[icy crescent]

Some mils, some civs, some iron.

[old lake]

Which helps with Sudetenland

[sudden thistle]

Real gamers do ultra gamer moves to do Sudetenland before Anchluss

[rare crow]

Holy

[vague lion]

WW2 mod for both MP and SP. Focusing on making Alt History plausible and adding a lot of QOL fixes to the game + extended techs/special projects

[potent tapir]

Hi when i enable the mods and when i open the game its like the mods aren't enabled any fix?

[vague lion]

Select the correct playset

In the launcher

[potent tapir]

i will try

[copper sluice]

Being forced to fight China as Japan is rly annoying

[ripe slate]

ExpertAI is incompatible with Road

And Infantry Equipment designer is too

[eternal palm]

Go back, look below the play button, there is a menu where you need to select a playset.

[vague lion]

Is is an indipended mod

[inland falcon]

Paratroopers are cracked and marines are really useful, mountaineers just seem like a waste tbh

[ripe slate]

Terrain buff?

[inland falcon]

No mountain can resist the tried and tested strategy of simply bombing the shit out of the enemy

[eternal palm]

Mountains aren't a very common terrain so yea

And you can stack terrain modifiers with support companies so

Rangers are broken though

[inland falcon]

There's a lot of forests so yeah that makes sense

I personally haven't tried them but if you reckon they're good ill give them a go

[eternal palm]

Forests are the 2nd most common terrain so

[noble crown]

Arent rangers good on hills, too?

[spiral sphinx]

as non alligned you dont

[eternal palm]

I thinks so

[low sun]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[fair horizon]

my aa divs hiding out in the himalayas (neither of us have supply)

[copper sluice]

As non aligned you dont get to be cool tho

[inland falcon]

The Germans pulled this crazy maneuver in 1940......

[spiral sphinx]

then be communist

idk

[oak mantle]

The germans pulled many crazy manouvers in the 1930s and 1940s

Paradrop dover and send like 18 of the tanks i made before ww2 into dover

[inland falcon]

Tbh german conquests in 1939-1941 can be summed up as everyone being stupid and germany being slightly less stupid

[oak mantle]

The allies were lowkey just coping

They shouldve invaded after austria and czechoslovakia but rather they thought he would stop there

[lavish moss]

Is there a mod that lets me demilitarize / take resources in a peace deal WITHOUT changing the enemy government?
roleplay reasons

[oak mantle]

Pretty sure you can just demilitarize and take resources without doing that in base game

If im not mistaken

[lavish moss]

In my experience, I can only do that with change government/puppeting. May be mistaken/wrong, but it's been irking me for long

[inland falcon]

I've always found it funny that Danzig was probably the only part of Europe that Germany had any real claim to

[oak mantle]

Honestrly im not sure cause i dont think ive ever been a major contributer to a war then just not annex or puppet something

[oak mantle]

I dont see how germany taking danzig didnt cross the allies minds at any point

[inland falcon]

Chamberlain was a true polish patriot

[oak mantle]

Does that technically mean chamberlin is a femboy

[inland falcon]

I mean what did they expect an expansionist regime to do? Not connect with their enclave in East Prussia?

[oak mantle]

I think thjey expected him to take danzig but they probably thought poland would just give it to them

Now i think of it the allies were really incompetent

[inland falcon]

Yeah, again, everyone was really stupid, germany slightly less so

The one braincell in Europe was given to manstein

[oak mantle]

Thats true

[inland falcon]

The French high command was absolutely the worst offender though, it was basically a game of musical chairs

Germany could totally have been stopped

[oak mantle]

100%

[safe wing]

Hitler didn't think the UK and France would declare war on him when he went to war against Poland BTW

he wasn't even phased that the two largest colonial empires in the world decalred war on him

his generals were really nervous and plotted to overthrow him at the end of 1939

[safe wing]

nice banner TW @inland falcon

brings back memories of me playing command and conquer and Red Alert when I was as young as 5 on my dads PC

[inland falcon]

I still play the games from time to time

[safe wing]

same

you can see TS and RA2 in my favorites

[inland falcon]

I don't think I've played a game that has the same perfect level of atmosphere as TS ngl

[safe wing]

same

[safe wing]

the Soviet Campaign in World at war is as close as it got for me

because of how brutal it felt

and maybe Attila total war for its feeling of Declinism especially when I play as the Western Roman Empire

[inland falcon]

Yeah real, the first cod I played was bo1 though so that'll always be the one I hold the highest

But waw is arguably better. I should replay the campaign again

[safe wing]

I mean look at how decayed this roman town looks

that's a colosseum that's been repurposed into a slum

[noble crown]

Iirc they were more afraid of russia than germany at the time; they kind of wanted germany as a bulwark against bolshevism, iirc that it. Its from the book "tragedy znd hope" by carroll quigley, who gives a macrohistory lesson of the world from like the 1870s to the 1960s

[inland falcon]

It'd make so much more sense to just let them fight it out then

I mean, I doubt germany would've gone any further west

[molten forge]

gon be waiting for mp non history

looking at the amount of requests no one touches that chat in years

[noble crown]

Like, the blitz against france was pretty awesome, but then hitler started doing dumb stuff. He stalled the invasion of russia for a month to help italy out against yugoslavia. If he didnt do that, he could have conquered russia. Its pretty insane how close the 3rd reich came to some of their goals. This is from "the rise and fall of the third reich," btw

[reef lotus]

GG Japan, shouldnt have declared on my collaboration in china

[fringe shell]

🙏

[noble crown]

RIP in peace

[reef lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

600k to tannu tuva

[cunning sorrel]

by what metrics?

even if he took moscow, he wouldnt have conquered russia

the resistance against occupation was just too strong and it would end up turning into a massive drain on resources

[fringe shell]

ngl

smash

[mild musk]

ayo why tf do I still use my own manpower when training this division?? am I not supposed to steal the manpower from india

[echo quest]

After Military Junta

[fringe shell]

you sure?

i thought it only takes your equipment

[mild musk]

yeah dude it's the same when I do it without it

but when I try it with my reichkommisart it doesnt use my manpower

[fringe shell]

i mean i just have stoled all mongolian manpower as tannu tuva and everything worked

[proud sparrow]

let's not post this guy, yeah?

[mild musk]

maybe it's because I'm fascist and it's an ordinary puppet idk

[inland falcon]

Man wtf

Why can't I create factions as communist China

I've literally taken two focuses that say I can

Aids

I don't want the peoples front or the Chinese united front, I want the Shanghai pact

[fair horizon]

Weakest tannu tuva player

[fringe shell]

damn

look at that kingdom of hungary

ignore germany

[dull zinc]

Hello people

[keen igloo]

It's always done that

It takes a small amount of your manpower

[mild musk]

nope this time I checked but it takes the same amount as my normal divisions

puppets are supposed to do 90% tho

bugged?

[buoyant lodge]

first time playing USA in hoi4, wish me good luck, no idea how the navy works, what to produce?

[fringe shell]

historians doesnt tell you this

[fringe shell]

now i see it

when puppet have 0 man power

you give yours

[mild musk]

wtf india is out of manpower?

crazy

[celest dirge]

Is Hoi4 "special force" really special force?

[mild musk]

wdym

it's special that's for sure

[fringe shell]

my favorite country

swedish poland without any state in poland core territory

[sour nymph]

good or bad? what should i improve or replace

[fringe shell]

bro you cant even save this

[sour nymph]

ik im taking out the cannon

[fringe shell]

cannon is not for medium tank

just spam soft attack

[sour nymph]

ok i know im taking it out

alr

27 soft attack is so bad

idk how i can get it more

[celest dirge]

Like, in term of organization and deployment, they act like standard division.

[neat kayak]

i wanna play mapuche chile again

[sour nymph]

im stuck at 27

how do i get it higher

ive basically put everything that can get it alot

[mild musk]

because they're meant to be used in special conditions

not like normal infantry

[neat kayak]

Let's see if my July 2025 strat for america decolonized still works

with the new dlc reworks

[fringe shell]

Yeah im mean just research

Better tanks

[sour nymph]

is 27 fine?

for just the basic medium

[fringe shell]

27 what?

[sour nymph]

soft attack

[fringe shell]

Hard attack?

[sudden thistle]

No

Do u have howitzers

[fringe shell]

Nah your cooked

[sour nymph]

no

[sudden thistle]

Get howitzer

Should be like 1 tech away

And when u equip the howitzer switch tank role to artillery

[sour nymph]

wheres howitzer

[fringe shell]

This tank is medium interwar or sum

[fringe shell]

Interwar artillery

Gives you howtizer

[sour nymph]

thanks mate

[vague lion]

Can i ask you something?

What do you think about swastikas in flags?

Because i don't like nazism, but i'm making a mod and would like to know if that type of realism is appreciated or not (original German flag for example)

[sour nymph]

how?

[sudden thistle]

It’s the one under it I’m pretty sure

[sudden thistle]

Click the arrow under the tank name

[sour nymph]

ah ok

[celest dirge]

How to put it? Like they don't do special operations like SAS, their mission is similar to normal infantry.

[mild musk]

paratroopers do special operations actually

the rest don't, but you can do special operations using paratroopers

[sudden thistle]

People usually prefer them without because of screenshots, streaming, YouTube videos being published

But then again they won’t whine about it happening mostly

[trim ether]

meow

[vague lion]

Is youtube and twitch banning those even in games?

[sour nymph]

are armored support vehicles needed

[vague lion]

If you have the IC for it... they are better

[sour nymph]

what is ic

[sudden thistle]

I would assume so

[celest dirge]

Yes, that is what I mean. Even then we don't call them special units.

[sudden thistle]

Industry cost

[sour nymph]

ah ok

[mild musk]

what else would you call mountaineers and marines then? because personally I can't think of anything else, special forces fit very well

[sour nymph]

@sudden thistle better?

[sudden thistle]

Ye

[sour nymph]

or still poop

ok ill start producing ts

[vague lion]

Not cast armor pls...

[sour nymph]

why

[vague lion]

Also add another secondary turret

[vague lion]

Cost

[sour nymph]

ok whats betterr

[vague lion]

The other 2

Up to you

[sour nymph]

ok mate

[misty fossil]

Riveted armour, 3 man turret instead of fixed superstructure for extra breakthrough (more breakthrough means less damage taken during the attack)

basic combat logic

have you ever played war thunder

5 breakthrough is diabolical

[sour nymph]

all u needed to say was the first part

im litteraly new to this game

[misty fossil]

hi litteraly new to this game im

Also use the infantry tank MIO

if you can

[stoic yarrow]

when is hoi5 dropping

[misty fossil]

This summer

[stoic yarrow]

🙏🙏

[sour nymph]

fixed superstructure?

the medium 3 man turret or light

[celest dirge]

Okay, it would be better to just call them special force for simplified gameplay. But they are not the same.
Paratroopers are elite airborne infantry, often considered distinct from but related to Special Forces; while true Special Forces (like Green Berets, Delta Force, SAS) handle more specialized, clandestine missions

[quasi osprey]

🥳

[neat kayak]

Love the fact that you can get W.E in the cw

[quasi osprey]

btw this is historical and I didnt do anything to denmark this is 1941

[inland falcon]

Prolly gets asked quite often here but where do yall think will get the next update

I feel drawn towards SEA (Thailand, Indonesia, Australia, etc.) But it seems unlikely they'd do another eastern dlc so soon

But at the same time it feels like it's the only underdeveloped theater

[pallid zephyr]

dose the ai ever paradrop paratrooper divisions i never see them do it

[sudden thistle]

Fun fact

The next dlc

Is New Zealand/australia

And I think Indonesia

Should be here before summer?

[inland falcon]

Surely Thailand will get some love

[keen igloo]

whats a good mp fighter template?

[sudden thistle]

They got like a port and 3 railways last time

[sudden thistle]

For who

[inland falcon]

I expect the new zealand focus tree to be garbage but Australia will be goated if the dlc doesn't have ant major flaws

[keen igloo]

uk

its not a competitve game so im not stressed about it

[sudden thistle]

Supermarine mio,
Small fighter (duh)
Engine 3
I like adding a armour plate or a self sealing fuel tank
And max HMG ofc

I don’t have a picture of u want that

[keen igloo]

that makes sense to me thanks

[neat kayak]

Argentina got harder than what i remember

or maybe i was bad

the ideea remains the same 12 good divisions and the rest 4w cav to snake their points

WHICH ARE TOO MUCH

[quasi osprey]

for 1942 the Germans aren't germanying

[weary gyro]

Hello, friends! I ran into a problem (there are no mods, the game is official, the DLC is all there, I cleaned the cache). Why does the game crash when interacting with the fleet? A couple of days, as the fleet is in the raid and departure... I'm playing for Socialist Germany.

How can I fix this?...

[quasi osprey]

idk about that never had a problem like that

[weary gyro]

I've changed all my admirals now, and there's no departure yet....

[mild hazel]

What's up spreedsheeters

[quasi osprey]

Ummm

[weary gyro]

And here's the departure...

[eternal palm]

Spreading sheets and you

Hold on that sounds wrong

[mild hazel]

Ayo

[eternal palm]

[mild hazel]

Nahhh

That actually killed me

[eternal palm]

Yea nah 💀

Nah but Fr I'm good

Wbu

[mild hazel]

Commas are important bro

[eternal palm]

RIGHT

[mild hazel]

Pissed off trying to do the brasil world conquest achievement

[eternal palm]

Oh that's simple

Brazil is strong

[mild hazel]

Which path?

[eternal palm]

Fascist

Core all of SA then you are OP

[mild hazel]

Right...I kept trying communist

[eternal palm]

That's fine too

I just like fascist more

[mild hazel]

Trying to do 2 birds one stone with the ursal achievement

[eternal palm]

The civl war kinda fks you

Fk off

Cuz this is serious

[mild hazel]

My country's initials are SA too lol

Its so funny hearing people like "who else is SA"

[eternal palm]

Jesus christ.

[mild hazel]

Yurr

I had the Canon event of "play your home country first in hoi4" and ended up not playing the game for the first month I owned it cuz south africa is so mid

[eternal palm]

Ouch

50 games of SAF 🔥

@tender swift

[silk tide]

okay

[mild hazel]

It also doesnt help that SAF has the worst achievement roster known to man

[sudden thistle]

Rip

[eternal palm]

It's a thing lmao

[silk tide]

I can't

[eternal palm]

Before they let you even near a major you gotta play 50 games of saf

[mild hazel]

Open the what?

[eternal palm]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mr-krabs-days-without-nonsense-gif-26130271

Command Power?

[mild hazel]

ank

[eternal palm]

Sorry ameribro we have actual food here

[sour nymph]

faaaaahhhh i pulled off sea lion first time ever but i got pushed back

[eternal palm]

Unfortunate

[sour nymph]

just gotta move on ig

[eternal palm]

Why are you asking me that

Yo dawg 💀

Aight whatever bro

[craggy trail]

[split fulcrum]

what mods are good for hoi4?

[zinc lark]

@split fulcrum are you german?

[split fulcrum]

no

[zinc lark]

my english is very bad sorry hahaha

[split fulcrum]

but i did once try learning german

i got like 170 day streak on duolingo i think

duolingo only really good for vocabulary

@zinc lark bernd das brot for some reason works well for learning german

[zinc lark]

xD

[split fulcrum]

its made for kids

so they use easy language

and they speak slowly

[zinc lark]

this is my playset but ignore the deactivated mods

[split fulcrum]

interesting

[eternal palm]

Ah yes a whole lot of cheating

Just use the console atp bro

Like it is not that deep

[zinc lark]

no but when peoples go out of a coalition without he or she knowing that than i can put back

[eternal palm]

Digga sags mir auf deutsch

[zinc lark]

HAHAHAHAHA

[eternal palm]

Dein Englisch ist kaum lesbar

Also echt

[zinc lark]

ach echt ich habs schon gesagt ich meine damit wenn einer mitspielt und ausversehen die KI aus der Koalition rausgeht kann ich ihn halt zurücksetzen

und was meinst du mit ATP?

[eternal palm]

I'm not talking about the host tool

[split fulcrum]

alright alright

i didnt learn that much german

[eternal palm]

Like the manpower decisions and the building slots? Easy buff???? Like hello?

[eternal palm]

At this point

[split fulcrum]

i mighve actually understood a sentence

yesss

lets gooo

[spiral sphinx]

[eternal palm]

Which one

[split fulcrum]

this one

and

[zinc lark]

nah aber warum direkt so angepisst nur weil manche so spielen und die anderen so, ich meine nicht jeder ist direkt profi in einem Spiel und braucht halt etwas Anlaufzeit. Würde ich dir jetzt ein Spiel geben wie NHL würdest du auch am anfang gucken ob es vereinfachung gibt bevor ich dich im Spiel was ich seid 14 Jahren zocke direkt abschiessen werde

[split fulcrum]

yea thats it basically

i undestood the other one but had to transtale "kaum lesbar"

[eternal palm]

Because cheating is just that. It makes you actively worse at the game

And you do it in a way that's just silly

Just use console. Why all the silly mods bro

[eternal palm]

Barely readable

[eternal palm]

What do you think digga means?

[split fulcrum]

"bro"

a german told me that

[eternal palm]

Correct!

[split fulcrum]

but you cant say

"mein digga"

[eternal palm]

Yea nah

[split fulcrum]

its only in like "ey! digga!"

[eternal palm]

I'd Say it's similar to the American "dawg"

[split fulcrum]

but instead of meaning dog

it means fat man

[eternal palm]

But you do say ayo that's my dawg

[eternal palm]

Well depends. If you're in Berlin they say Dicka

With a K not a G

But that's also bro

[split fulcrum]

whos willingly staying in berlin dude

[eternal palm]

You don't say "Dicker"

That's an insult

[split fulcrum]

haah

[eternal palm]

5 million people apparently

[split fulcrum]

"dicker"

man that sounds like an insult in english too

[zinc lark]

I am not going to argue with you now because it won't lead to anything except us about to start hitting each other just because some people need help, but that's just called increasing the fun factor, just because you're not always a pro right away. Keep your head up; I won't comment further on the topic because it doesn't make sense to have a meaningful conversation with you since you think it's ridiculous that beginners might need a little support.

[eternal palm]

Beginners need to get good that's what it is

You can get assistance right here

U don't need to change the game in order to learn

Hoi isnt impossibly hard

[split fulcrum]

i learned by begging people to answer my questions

then forced them to guide me through the whole game

[zinc lark]

Yes, but some people learn differently than others, and I just need a little support because you get along so well with everyone here, only because someone has a modification that immediately lets the situation spiral out of control and you have to react immediately and criticize others because you play in a ridiculous way.

[eternal palm]

Again the host tool ain't my contention read what I said

[zinc lark]

Do you know how little I care about that? The main problem right now is that you're criticizing other people for how they want to play. Just because the hoster tool wasn't meant for that, you immediately start attacking a person, which I absolutely can't understand, and you're asserting your right just to make yourself happy, which I won't give you.

[eternal palm]

Lmao

[split fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-pebba-fanter-monsert-roobeer-pepsie-gif-21846471

[eternal palm]

Bro is actually getting mad

Ragebait successful, disengage

[split fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/war-of-the-ages-cat-centurion-cat-centurion-cat-fight-gif-1741762862016554190

the roman frontline

[tender swift]

wassup

[eternal palm]

50 games of SAF 🔥

20 games of Mexico 🔥

10 games of Italy 🔥

[split fulcrum]

pain

[inland falcon]

how different do you want it from vanilla?

[split fulcrum]

wellll

is there any well made total conversion mods

like fantasy

[inland falcon]

like, alt hist or just textbook fantasy

because the closest you can probably get to "fantasy" is equestria at war

[split fulcrum]

textbook fantasy

either are good

i like new map not new mechanics

[inland falcon]

then yeah, eaw is prolly the closest you'll find to that

[split fulcrum]

are the focus trees good?

or is it all just base tree

[inland falcon]

its genuinely one of the best made mods imo

which is crazy because its a mlp mod

[split fulcrum]

the ponies are charging

[inland falcon]

to this day we still don't know how they hold a gun with hooves

[sudden thistle]

There is a lord of the rings mod

[split fulcrum]

o

i read lotr

[inland falcon]

is that still updated?

[split fulcrum]

is it a good mod?

[inland falcon]

i miss my goat, in the name of the tsar

[sudden thistle]

Idk anything about lotr

So idk

[inland falcon]

althist works better than fantasy anyway tbh

plus theres plenty to choose from

[craggy trail]

Yeah. LOTR is updated to NCNS

[inland falcon]

damn

[craggy trail]

It was one of the first day NCNS compatible mods along with Equestria at War and Old World Blues

[inland falcon]

sheesh, it actually looks really well done

i'm surprised i never see it anywhere

[craggy trail]

It's not pretty big like other total overhaul mods, but some of the stuff they do are pretty nice

[inland falcon]

i mean, there's nothing wrong with that as long as the content itself is good

[edgy kraken]

it begins

[hardy mist]

holyfuck aribal

[inland falcon]

who the hell is that

[wind salmon]

does heavy damge from capital ships skip the screening line ?

[craggy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/pinky-mlp-my-little-pony-hands-gif-10592912

[inland falcon]

interesting

[inland falcon]

i dare you to do this one as the kumul khanate

[craggy trail]

Yes if there are other capital ships, but they can hit screens, though less effectively

[remote quarry]

no

it's probabilistic

https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Naval_battle#:~:text=Out of the remaining valid targets one is chosen by weighted random selection. If the firing ship is not currently running away%2C the enemies are weighted as follows (numbers in parenthesis for light guns)%3A[a]

[delicate lance]

It’s good , better than 4YP

[craggy trail]

Ah. Thanks for clarifying

[patent thistle]

am i the only one that still wants battleCarriers?

[fair horizon]

might wanna choose mordor otherwise you might lose

[patent thistle]

if they add it it would be one of the very few DLCs i would buy.

[fair horizon]

like half battleship/half carrier?

[patent thistle]

ye

[fair horizon]

look at the IJN Ise

[patent thistle]

ik

[fair horizon]

based navy enjoyer

[patent thistle]

thats exactly why i want it

[patent thistle]

the japanese btw werent the only ones with the idea

[fair horizon]

yeah britian tried them and it was a disaster

[patent thistle]

the US tried too

[fair horizon]

did we actually have a ship done up for that?

[sudden thistle]

Holy peak

[fair horizon]

no

they were awful

[patent thistle]

plans were to refit the battleships of the iowa class into this

[fair horizon]

REFIT MY STATE'S BATTLESHIP?

IT IS A FAST BATTLESHIP AND THATS FINAL

though that on a montana would be cool

[silk tide]

guys is 36 cw still good for medium tank divs?

[patent thistle]

montana was a pipe dream to begin with

[sudden thistle]

It looks cool though

Cool=good

[fair horizon]

fair enough

[patent thistle]

if they ever add Battlecarriers i would litterally buy a 30 euro DLC just to get them

[fair horizon]

they had plans to turn the jean bart into one apparently

[patent thistle]

finish the jean bart into one*

it wasnt fully done by the time fr*nce had fallen

the only one we could consider "battlecarriers" which were finished IRL were the Kiev class

[fair horizon]

yeah also the massachusetts put a few holes in her

ise was finished

it just wasnt a good design

[patent thistle]

ye because at that point battleships were already considered outdated, an insane plan like this would not have made it better

the Ise was an old ah battleship

by that time

[fair horizon]

she was still in good shape 😡

[patent thistle]

by that time japan was f***ed eitherway

[fair horizon]

also the nevada was kinda old too

[patent thistle]

ye but she did get refits i am pretty sure

[fair horizon]

japan was over the moment they messed with america's boats

[patent thistle]

should have just let me design the ships and midway wouldnt have happend

[fair horizon]

no country or enity have survived messing with our boats

[patent thistle]

i can mess with your boats and win

[fair horizon]

also how awesome is it that 3 of the 4 iowas are named after boring states lmao

and then you know the black sheep NJ

[patent thistle]

i mean i am pretty sure one of them had anger issues

and one of them sunk a fortified ISLAND.

[fair horizon]

they all had anger issues

all battleships do

[patent thistle]

yamato had a ragequit

[fair horizon]

even if the whisky's is a slight bit more unmanagable

[patent thistle]

lets be honest tho that mission was suicide to begin with

[fair horizon]

it was though

beach the ships and use them as shore defense

there was no outcome where they survive

[patent thistle]

ye it was litterally meant to ground the ship and become permanent artillery

[fair horizon]

shame they didnt make it

mabye they could have been preserved if they did

[patent thistle]

the risk would have been too high

the ship that was the yamato was imperial japans pride

[fair horizon]

i dont think so

i think the usa would have bombarded it to scrap even if it made it

[patent thistle]

if you come me with akagi i will find you

[patent thistle]

ye i meant preserving it would be too risky

[fair horizon]

akagi was sunk by then anyways

[patent thistle]

lets be honest Hosho was the real OG

[fair horizon]

also its really cool how preserved she is for having sunk 80 years ago

[patent thistle]

and atleast it wasnt sunk by an angry american submarine (i am looking at you taiho and shinano)

[fair horizon]

i love the archerfish but my favorite is the wahoo

[patent thistle]

i am not really into subs eitherway

for me the scharnhorst is the GOAT in design

[fair horizon]

my favorite thing about the scharnhorst is when people argue whether it was a battleship or battlecruiser

[patent thistle]

its a battleship with small guns, end of story

litterally germany itself classified it as a battleship

[fair horizon]

its a battleship with the current big guns of the time it was built

they werent even small until the bismarck's were done

like for germany at least

[patent thistle]

ye the scharnhorst class was a response of the french Dunkerque class, which itself was a Response of the german "deutschland Class" Pocket battleships

[fair horizon]

i love how the germans saved so much weight on those and still lied about it and the british were like "lets not make a fuss about it"

[patent thistle]

they were basically big heavycruiser hulls with battleship guns, if germany really attempted anything with them they would have been cooked by just the Hood and a few british destroyers

the brits knew germany couldnt beat them eitherway in a 1v1 naval wise

[fair horizon]

well the graf spee did get cooked by a few cruisers

[sudden thistle]

“Cute navy Germany but mine is bigger”

[patent thistle]

the german (me) that makes it useful: "yours may be bigger, but mine isnt scrap under the sea"

[fair horizon]

actually...

[patent thistle]

bud i litterally have beaten the UK multiple times with 2 refit scharnhorst class ships and some heavy cruisers

[sharp sierra]

ok....

[sudden thistle]

Bro is not the Bismarck 🥀

[fair horizon]

i beat the usa and british navy with 2 battleships and 17 screens back before i had the dlcs

[patent thistle]

because the AI makes crap designs

[fair horizon]

nah that was before man the guns was integrated

[sudden thistle]

I beat the us and British navy when I first got the game by doing “annex eng” and “annex USA”

[patent thistle]

i have litterally sunk the italian navy with just some pre-dreadnoughts once

not even escorts

[sharp sierra]

legiterally

[fair horizon]

ngl we need the ability to make panzerschiff type ships on non-german nations

[patent thistle]

i am pretty sure i even posted it here

[thick kettle]

chat, what do you think of this;

[fair horizon]

like give me something between a battleship and a heavy cruiser

[sudden thistle]

Is this black ice or smth

[fair horizon]

bigger

[thick kettle]

❌

also i'm kicking the soviets rn with medium divs

lol

[sharp sierra]

wgat it is

[thick kettle]

it's just kind of a bunch of mods i wanted to play as

though uh

more supports are added

hey, what should i add for infantry

support's kind of doing well with the lineout if i recall

though manpower is too expensive, it does the job

[patent thistle]

yep,

those were just 3 pre-dreadnoughts and that one stolen greek coastal defense ship

[sharp sierra]

geek soup

[fair horizon]

i like how italy doesnt build aircraft carriers so you can really just slug it out with them

also paradox please fix the naval ai

its so stupid

[patent thistle]

its historical

tho what isnt is that italy sometimes litterally had 16 battleships in some of my games

in the past

[thick kettle]

how do i even become a naval expert with those kinds of ships man

the coal doesn't help my situation

[sharp sierra]

yea its bad and i hope they adjust the naval invasion preparation time

[thick kettle]

user smaller troops

[sharp sierra]

like its 45 days for any amount of division which i hate

[thick kettle]

or just 1-3 infantry

[patent thistle]

doesnt work anymore

[thick kettle]

oh the up to date version 💔

[fair horizon]

its a fixed time and it sucks

[thick kettle]

not even transports? 😭

[patent thistle]

we have a limited amount of naval invasions we can prepare now AND the time doesnt change for the amount anymore

[fair horizon]

its like 50 days by default

[inland falcon]

i actually like the fixed times for naval preparations ngl

[thick kettle]

good lord i downgraded to 1.16.10

lol

[inland falcon]

i just dont like that it broke a bunch of mods

[sharp sierra]

were crucifying you

[patent thistle]

one of my italy game had like 24 days after researching the second tech and some extra focuses

still BS

[fair horizon]

wait the tech affects it?

DIBNVZSXJKHLDVGCFKLASXUOIP FGV['

[patent thistle]

ye it does

[inland falcon]

yeah? you didn't know?

[fair horizon]

500 DAYS WASTED

no ive played 2 games of the new update

[patent thistle]

i would like it if the AI gets the same treatement with prep time needed

[inland falcon]

does it not?

[patent thistle]

nope

it can basically start it instantly

[inland falcon]

that explains why i got naval invaded instantly in my spain game recently gl

[patent thistle]

sometimes the game in my games didnt even have the time to put a warning before the UK appeared with 24 f***ing divs in rome

[bold yew]

@ripe slate
You told me, I did it

[ripe slate]

BASED

[inland falcon]

in my recent germany game the australians just kept endlessly naval invading the benelux with divisions under 50 strength

the ai is so great

[patent thistle]

good, now end the french

kill every french person

[ripe slate]

I just improved historical AI a bit, about to do a test game with it

[fair horizon]

no fricken way the french agreed to let you core france

[bold yew]

Wait a minute, I can't annex france or belgium

[patent thistle]

SOMEONE UPDATED THE MOD

[bold yew]

They didn't, I invaded them

[patent thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/jesse-pinkman-hell-yeah-jesse-pinkman-hey-come-high-baby-gif-1058193894511976418

[thick kettle]

Only a few miles to Moscow.

we'll be there.

[patent thistle]

what could possibly go wrong?

General winter:

[thick kettle]

wanna know what year it is

1941

i havent even reached close yet

[fair horizon]

wonder if it gets the same penalties as aircraft carriers

[thick kettle]

(Though i took leningrad so be happy)

[patent thistle]

most likely

[thick kettle]

also i love couping countries

[thick kettle]

the whole army deflected btw

HUH

[patent thistle]

👎 you are supposed to starve the population for 2 years at the very least before taking it

[bold yew]

If I pupeted France, can I annex it from manage subjects?

[thick kettle]

booooo

finland got tooken by the communists so not a chance

[inland falcon]

i feel compelled to complain. the soviet tree feels sort of railroaded

[ripe slate]

Not if you made it a puppet how you did

[inland falcon]

particularly with army reforms

[bold yew]

Peace treaty

[ripe slate]

I think what I did it wait around until I can do the focus that lets you puppet normally

by default democracy can only make guided gov which cant be annexed

[bold yew]

Ah

[fair horizon]

chat the usa is the best country in the world because we fly fighter jets over our football games

and i dont mean soccer

[bold yew]

I'm gonna do it again, but annexing this time

[inland falcon]

so bad at rugby they created their own rugby so they wouldn't get thrashed by the rest of the world 💔

[fair horizon]

how many superbowl wins does your country have? mine has 59

[inland falcon]

Of course it's named after something you use to eat

[fair horizon]

lmao