hoi4-general

[pseudo raven]

annex poland pls

[wet kestrel]

I know. I just wanted my cores but they refused to give me. it was all in the name of national security

[pseudo raven]

k

[knotty vortex]

how does the agency help

[glossy mountain]

gm everyone. do i need to get both gotterdammerung and ncns? i took a break for 2 years and a lot has come out, not sure if any of these 2 dlcs is a must

[knotty vortex]

i cant setup collab gov as democracy

[inner iron]

Also when you get enough xp, you can get an army structure thing for 25% xp gain

[knotty vortex]

okay

[inner iron]

As a democracy

[knotty vortex]

ill do that

[remote quarry]

with full intel network you kill all of their planning

which is like 40% stat gone for the germans

[remote quarry]

always make spy agency day 1

[knotty vortex]

so i should start making a network now?

[inner iron]

You will want relief of command

[remote quarry]

yes and do 5 upgrades

[knotty vortex]

yeah i just found it

[knotty vortex]

which ones

[remote quarry]

then put them on silence in germany

[remote quarry]

suicide pill, cipher, army department, invisible ink

[knotty vortex]

do i need 100% for this

then put them on quiet

[inner iron]

And when you get relief of command, you get a 25% flat increase

[remote quarry]

whatever it grows to a max

[shadow lagoon]

democracy is like the worst ideology to play as

[remote quarry]

also do you want full mastery? there is a way to do it just pretty complicated

[shadow lagoon]

so boring

[inner iron]

For the Netherlands it's by far the strongest path

[knotty vortex]

mastery of what?

[inner iron]

Plus the focus tree gives you wargoals on the UK and the Germans

[flint wyvern]

Hi friend long time

[shadow lagoon]

have you done this path?

[inner iron]

Yes, I always kill all of Europe eventually

[shadow lagoon]

can’t you get that formable

[inner iron]

Soviets cause world tension so I can justify on them

[shadow lagoon]

if you kill europe

[inner iron]

Yes

[versed owl]

Ищу людей, с кем можно поиграть в HOI4 на пару часов. У нас уже есть DLC, и карта будет историческая, без модов.»

[inner iron]

Cause you're a democracy

[spiral prawn]

The Eu?

[pseudo raven]

Netherland powerhouse

[shadow lagoon]

yea

[inner iron]

Netherlands alt paths are so weak in comparison

[remote quarry]

doctrine

[arctic nest]

when i do rome as italy should i do it as monarch or fashist?

[remote quarry]

you can have full doctrine by war if you do it correctly

[knotty vortex]

yeah sure

[pseudo raven]

I'm going EU path

[inner iron]

Fascist has 10 day war justifications so it's way faster

[arctic nest]

get some cas thats gonna help a lot

[flint wyvern]

Hi friend

[arctic nest]

only if at war with major tho

[remote quarry]

hii

[inner iron]

You will be at war with a major when forming rome

[spiral prawn]

Fascist the aesthetics are really cool

[arctic nest]

alr

[remote quarry]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vTlv8qubYg-c86-bMtzY6VJWBhBQYrr1UXbRnkAb3cpr-c5RM6eHqdJid_Wm0jWY8XF0NrIgJfOnLAl/pub#:~:text=Even better method to grind mastery in 1.17.3

basically read this

you need to do it on the dutch east indies division since they have more manpower

[inner iron]

The indies can get you like 3mil manpower

If they up their conscription

Plus when you annex them, you keep all that trained manpower to yourself

[arctic nest]

should i do rome on historical or nah

[spiral prawn]

You guys got any interesting paths I could play?

[arctic nest]

polsih commonwealth

[knotty vortex]

i probably wont do this its a bit confusing

[spiral prawn]

I dont have no step back

[knotty vortex]

i dont really understand what its saying

[remote quarry]

then just pick doctrine when you have xp

just no mastery

[inner iron]

The Netherlands overall is a lot of cheese considering that your entire army is just Indonesian people

[arctic nest]

oh

[remote quarry]

make sure to do this focus and apply bonus on 1939 gun

[knotty vortex]

no i just dont understand it

[spiral prawn]

I mean ive still done it before but its really annoying get Lithuania to 80% compliance

[violet veldt]

idk i played communist italy

it was kind of fun but when i played i didn't really know how to play

i'm terrified of fighting in africa

i feel like africa is wasted potential

[remote quarry]

do you know how to take indonesian manpower?

[knotty vortex]

yeah copy their div

[violet veldt]

you're incentivised to only care about north africa

[knotty vortex]

then edit it

and make it

[violet veldt]

like you do realized these people colonized africa

[inner iron]

Only semi useful thing out of commie Italy is getting the railway guns during the civil war, otherwise it's a very mid path

[violet veldt]

and maintained colonization with their resources

[arctic nest]

do the spanish empire path where you core amecria very funny trust me

[violet veldt]

so there had to be something important there if france, uk and italy wanted it

[arctic nest]

fought against the ottomans

for lybia i thing´k

[violet veldt]

i mean yeah africa has some critical trade routes

but like

[remote quarry]

bingo

you can do the guide's method on them

[violet veldt]

i want more africa content 😭

[spiral prawn]

Oh yeah that sounds fun but idk how to beat the Us

[remote quarry]

or just keep deploying their divs for your war

should be enough

so the issue is getting more industry

[arctic nest]

uhh like rush uk or mexiico and rush us but i also have no idea

[spiral prawn]

Dam im gonna have to learn navy

[inner iron]

Having most factories on the 1936 guns on full efficiency usually gets the army fully equipped, they're just not good for pushing whatsoever lol

But atleast it'll hold while you're getting proper upgraded stuff and anti air in it

[shrewd talon]

ngl idk if it would make sence but what if the soviet ssrs in the ussr are subjects

[inner iron]

I typically have the upgraded 1939 guns disabled for the Indonesian horde army and have actual pushing Dutch divisions equipped with the best stuff for some time

[remote quarry]

i would put 3 on support day 1

lol

36 gun not worth making

[inner iron]

Yea I said most, not all

It's just a preference thing since I start getting my airforce up way earlier than a properly equipped army

And hold the Germans down with ground attack

[remote quarry]

free mastery from training

[tepid moon]

Fascist but elections (I puppeted them to do something random in my game)

[inner iron]

The little communist badge on his suit kills me

[knotty vortex]

well its 1938

and the xp situation is still dire

i have made 50 in total

sine 1936

[honest night]

You have a millitary high command?

[knotty vortex]

i spent 35 on a 25% boost

[honest night]

Like the 1 st most left bottem slot

[wet kestrel]

this a good tank template?

[knotty vortex]

i do now

[honest night]

Nice you’ll get way more army xp

[knotty vortex]

oh they increase it by so much

[inner iron]

Bit late for that since it's usually the first thing I spend my pp on

[knotty vortex]

nobody told me that simple fix

[honest night]

Works for singleplayer but will not work for multiplayer can be improved if you want suggestions

[wet kestrel]

Thank you, I am playing singleplayer. I know the meta for multi is way differnt

[inner iron]

Mechanized is much better to have

[honest night]

Atleast he gets it cheaper due to relief of command

[lethal ether]

add bicycle infantry

[inner iron]

The Dutch usually don't have issues with pp anyway

[wet kestrel]

yep. I agree there but I went naval germany, lmao so this is the quickest tank template I made.

[knotty vortex]

yeah im cooked

i am not having 100 troops by the invasion date

[honest night]

Don’t you spend Aton removing pacifism

[inner iron]

You can deply them earlier and still train them up

[knotty vortex]

no but look

i cant make more

[inner iron]

I've never done that part ever lmao

Since I have Indonesian manpower

Pacifism goes away when you're at war

[honest night]

Also click on your puppet and click request troops or smth like that and you can take all their units

[knotty vortex]

netherlands seem to have really fast pp gain

[honest night]

Do you not go partial?

You have no war support if you don’t do the focus

[inner iron]

Never had the need to since I preferably rush industry later on for research slots

[knotty vortex]

deploying troops cooks the xp gain from training

[inner iron]

I go for benelux and then straight to industry usually

[knotty vortex]

yeah me too

[inner iron]

Cause I care more about deploying a fat airforce than getting rid of pacifism

Plus partial mob isn't that great compared to getting rid of the construction speed debuff you start off as the Dutch

Which is like -50% at the start

[honest night]

Partial is great

[knotty vortex]

do i make sp art

hmm

i have the research to

are they good as the dutch

[honest night]

It’s 40% mill constitution bonus and gives you less consumer goods

just spam out inf to hold

16 width if possible

[inner iron]

Even without it, I still max out my construction slots

[knotty vortex]

oh wow my army xp has increased massively

[inner iron]

So again I haven't needed it

[knotty vortex]

how do i boost it even more

which one guys

[remote quarry]

you need to rehire the army advisor

you lose him after a focus

[knotty vortex]

huh?

oh i havent done that yet

im 3/4 through

[hidden furnace]

I have been trying to play multiplayer with my friend but our bracket versions are different, he has f303 and I have 2b48. It looks like I am the one with the problem since most people have f303 but I don't know how to fix it. In the startup window, I also have the bracket version f303, but when I start the game, my bracket version changes. Would appreciate any help!

[arctic nest]

mass asult or grand battelpaln the sub doctrines are more importaint

[honest night]

Grand battle plan is the best for offence superior firepower for defence and mobile warfare if you like command power, personally I would just recommend grand battleplan

[remote quarry]

it doesn't matter

you won't have mastery

[arctic nest]

they give you bonus ecen if you dont have mastery

[knotty vortex]

large unit tactics right?

[remote quarry]

yes so pick grand battleplan

[remote quarry]

do assualt infantry

[arctic nest]

defensive posture or great war inf

[remote quarry]

you won't have mastery

large unit doesn't help you at all

[knotty vortex]

okay

[remote quarry]

the first 100 on assualt inf is 20% soft

[arctic nest]

also do desperate mesures

for 5% manpower thing

[inner iron]

He doesn't need desperate measures

He using Indonesian manpower

[knotty vortex]

how do you actually level up the subdoctrines

[arctic nest]

alr

[arctic nest]

combat

[marble rover]

кто может помочь? с другом хотели поиграть, у обоих последняя версия хойки, мд и мддк обновлены, но версии игры не совпадают, длс тоже все включены

[remote quarry]

using the document I sent

https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vTlv8qubYg-c86-bMtzY6VJWBhBQYrr1UXbRnkAb3cpr-c5RM6eHqdJid_Wm0jWY8XF0NrIgJfOnLAl/pub#:~:text=Even better method to grind mastery in 1.17.3

otherwise, fight wars

but it's super slow and you would never have anything

[knotty vortex]

i dont understand the document

• i probably dont have the equipment

whats good here

[arctic nest]

field engeeniering

buff for you engeeniers and entrenchment

or anti tank

if ur using it

[remote quarry]

none of them

[austere crypt]

first time going around the maginot kinda nervous

[remote quarry]

pick operations first

[arctic nest]

poland?

[flint wyvern]

Check dm pls

[austere crypt]

befriend poland run

https://tenor.com/view/mi-bombo-gif-3694488553566820895

nah imma get them later but funny thing is if you dec italy into yugoslavia you get to take france without being at war with uk

[paper echo]

whats yall favorite mods

[austere crypt]

now if I wait till 1940 I can dec poland without uk guara war

[arctic nest]

worried stalin

[paper echo]

peak

hitler eyeroll is also peak

[snow rain]

TFB and Oak2 but I mainly play mp

[paper echo]

mine are collapsing world,tfr and kx

[remote quarry]

LOL

[opal nymph]

Kaiserreich, Red Dusk, Toolpack

[remote quarry]

wait actually i didn't expect this to be this bad for germany

[opal nymph]

Holy stats

What are the troops

[paper echo]

is red dusk the modern day mod where ussr didnt collapse?

[opal nymph]

Also what Belgium path is this

[opal nymph]

Yeah, latest update requires you to disable NCNS though

[remote quarry]

this is netherlands

just 36 width pure infantry

[paper echo]

i played red dusk a bit and it wasnt bad

[opal nymph]

36 width on the defense?

[paper echo]

and i like how its not filled with bloat unlike other modern day mods

and it actually runs fast

[knotty vortex]

we're not finna survive

[opal nymph]

They added an Iraq proxy conflict now lol

[paper echo]

i once played as iraq but iran was so op

and it was impossible to defeat

so i used commands to reduce their army and air

[opal nymph]

Literally my experience

[remote quarry]

yeah

[opal nymph]

They changed it up a bit, but now the US can George Bush you

[paper echo]

yeah i think i saw that on a patch note

[opal nymph]

I also think they added George Bush as a presidential candidate now

[remote quarry]

how many divs

[opal nymph]

Gotta try the mod

[paper echo]

i only played as iraq and yugoslavia

[remote quarry]

make sure to do this focus

infinite entrenchment

[opal nymph]

But should I do Iraq or US again

[knotty vortex]

58

[paper echo]

iraq

[opal nymph]

I really enjoyed playing the US

[paper echo]

havent tried it

[opal nymph]

UK i heard got more content

[pseudo raven]

is morozov best mio for light tanks?

[kind vale]

Is that minority government Belgium

[kind vale]

Use mediums

[opal nymph]

My game had the McCain presidency go on a rampage against all things Warsaw Pact

[pseudo raven]

why?

[opal nymph]

We might have won everything but Ethiopia, but at what cost

[kind vale]

Because they are better, light tanks suck against everything

[opal nymph]

India exploded and South Africa was ruled by the apartheid regime

But no more red threat?

[remote quarry]

it's democratic netherlands

[kind vale]

Ahhhh

[remote quarry]

but yes belgium also gets funny stat like this

[knotty vortex]

im genuinely gonna lose it

this is the 4th attempt

netherlands is impossible

[kind vale]

Should've built forts

[remote quarry]

😭 get more division

[opal nymph]

Wait, you get the generals? I thought you didn't and I recognized a Belgian general

[knotty vortex]

ts has gotta be ragebait

[remote quarry]

yes you do

[remote quarry]

ok this is what I got

every one of them is 36 width

at least get like 100 div

[knotty vortex]

bro

how

[opal nymph]

Not a single Indonesian troop?

[kind vale]

Why💀

[remote quarry]

if you have small ones

[knotty vortex]

how am i actually supposed to get 100 divs

[remote quarry]

show your production

[knotty vortex]

not possible bro

[inner iron]

I usually clap the German airforce as the Dutch so I just hold them with ground attack

[kind vale]

Why are they 36 width

[inner iron]

1 factory on trucks is enough

[remote quarry]

funny stats

[inner iron]

1 factory on arty is enough

[remote quarry]

30 mils

bruh

[knotty vortex]

BRO

youre ragebaiting

this has gotta be bait

[oak mantle]

65 factories in 1940??

as benelux?

[inner iron]

I usually get over 100 factories

[remote quarry]

I forgot to go partial mob till 39 and still had 40

[opal nymph]

Remember kids, civs dont help produce guns

[oak mantle]

EASILY

[knotty vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[remote quarry]

also balance your production

[opal nymph]

Maybe you have to build a civ or 2, but mils are important

[remote quarry]

look at your template

[inner iron]

And have like atleast 20 factories on planes if not more

[knotty vortex]

I DIDNT BUILD CIVS

[opal nymph]

Oh

[remote quarry]

you don't need this much on support or artillery

[knotty vortex]

ive been building mils the entire game

[inner iron]

I build civs until mid 37 or even to 38, depends on my mood

[knotty vortex]

im literally trying to build some

but they take FOREVER

[opal nymph]

Maybe Netherlands might need some civs

[kind vale]

I always build civs in the beginning

[restive sable]

i really like red dusk

[remote quarry]

are you on partial mob at least

balance your production like this

most of your mils should be on guns

[knotty vortex]

yes bro

[inner iron]

Sometimes I roll really good with Belgium having fat industry when annexed so I go to mils earlier at times

[remote quarry]

with 1 on artillery a few on aa and a bit more on support

you have 12 on gun

[opal nymph]

Also forts are quite mediocre from what I heard

[remote quarry]

ofc you lose

[opal nymph]

They get destroyed easily

[remote quarry]

just build level 1

[remote quarry]

and put your spy on the frontline

it removes 50% stats from germanyt

with one simple click

on the place you can put them closest to the front

[inner iron]

From bombing yea but from combat they get repaired fast

It's a hit or miss

[remote quarry]

this is what you could get, even with 18 width, just divide it by 2

[inner iron]

If you have a good airforce, some forts are fine for me

[opal nymph]

The way one guy said it, forts get vaporized very quickly and arent worth the IC you put in

[knotty vortex]

aaaand ive just watched another hour and a half disappear before my eyes

maybe i just quit

im too mediocre at this

[inner iron]

The enemy having to break those forts is breaking their equipment so it's good enough for me still

[opal nymph]

Did you flood the country?

[knotty vortex]

that only floods holland

[opal nymph]

IK

But didn't you break at Holland?

[inner iron]

Think of it this way, the germans had to break a fort instead of your men

[knotty vortex]

well when holland is on the opposite side of the german border

[inner iron]

Saves you manpower and equipment

[knotty vortex]

not particularly helpful at the start

[opal nymph]

Doesnt the flooding affect every state in the Netherlands?

I thought it did

[inner iron]

Only Amsterdam and Rotterdam mostly

[knotty vortex]

yeah so not very helpful

[inner iron]

Flooding works with fallback lines

If you're doing monarchist path for some reason, it can work then

[knotty vortex]

oh i just love watching my nation get pulverised

[inner iron]

Bro probably got cas bombed to hell lol

It's why I build air usually

[knotty vortex]

yeah well im just a bebeh

[spiral prawn]

Man I wish the devs would just change a lot of the old focus trees to 35 day focuses

[knotty vortex]

would ruin the balance

[opal nymph]

But muh pacing

We got to pace things properly

Also their trees are small enough to where it isnt a problem

[knotty vortex]

wait we're lowk holding them off

[inner iron]

Some countries would scale like crazy with industry

[knotty vortex]

we got pushed back

but we arent anymore

[spiral prawn]

If you want the focus tree to last longer add more content

[opal nymph]

Japan is a problem due to how big its tree is

[remote quarry]

the front is shorter and there's more terrain tiles

might be able to hold

[knotty vortex]

oh okay

[opal nymph]

Big tree should have 35 day focuses

Small trees are fine with 70 day focuses

[knotty vortex]

how do i turn this around

[spiral prawn]

Thats what I want 😭

[remote quarry]

utrecht and forest

[inner iron]

Japan at it's current state is already busted nonetheless, shorter focuses would make it even more egregious

[remote quarry]

let germany bash into you until they run out of equipment

[knotty vortex]

okay

i mean weve taken 131k casualties

[arctic nest]

wait

[remote quarry]

meanwhile put more factory on guns

[opal nymph]

I think some smaller focuses could be 35

[knotty vortex]

theyve taken 1.78m

[knotty vortex]

i have

[spiral prawn]

Some of the 70 day focuses are ridicules though

[opal nymph]

But the main ones can remain 70

[remote quarry]

yeah that's really good

[spiral prawn]

Like 70 days for each focus in the french industry branch, like come on?

[opal nymph]

Then they should give more stuff in the 70 day focus rather than shorten it to 35

[opal nymph]

Pacing again

Should give more though

[spiral prawn]

Add more content and shorten it to 35

[opal nymph]

Muh pacing

[inner iron]

With current focus pacing, Japan already outscales the AI US while having infantry with 20% flat increase to attack

Their infantry oneclicks people in no supply zones

[remote quarry]

I mean 70 days for 2 civ and 2 mil isn't that bad...

[opal nymph]

I was thinking of its alt history

[knotty vortex]

how do i make these guys increase to 100

[opal nymph]

70 days for some advisors from the looks of it

[remote quarry]

70 days for 1 civ

[opal nymph]

Times 3

[remote quarry]

it's fine

[spiral prawn]

Could easily be 35 days!

[inner iron]

Alt history has the same effect, I annexed all of the Soviets as democratic Japan

[knotty vortex]

any suggestions to help?

[opal nymph]

Yeah, but the democratic political tree for Japan is smallish

[snow rain]

hover over the "=" symbol

most lmikely enemy has high counter intel

[waxen jacinth]

you always should do purge path

[remote quarry]

make more guns, draw an offensive line so you get planning, maybe try take back some land ifyou can

[waxen jacinth]

all the time

[inner iron]

And overpowered since you puppet most of Asia and eventually core them

[waxen jacinth]

unless youre trolling

[inner iron]

For free

[spiral prawn]

Like this 350 days for 4 civilian factories, come on?

[opal nymph]

Yep, and im fine with those focuses being 70 days

It is only a few things that could be changed to 35 days

[knotty vortex]

noo i had an operative captured

[feral hedge]

10% construction speed tho. Don't tou want it?

[opal nymph]

Pacing forcing you to prioritize certain things

[remote quarry]

first of all it's 8 civs

[feral hedge]

Thats why we have suicide pills

[knotty vortex]

i have them

[inner iron]

Tbf, France at it's current pacing maxes out it's building slots in the mainland very quickly

[remote quarry]

rescue it with the other one and then put it back on mission

[feral hedge]

Bad luck ig

[knotty vortex]

okay

[remote quarry]

it's construction speed on palau🤣

read

[opal nymph]

Also I never get my 4th research slots on France as I prioritize the politics and military

[spiral prawn]

You can get a maximum of 10 including the colonial branch of the industry tree

[snow rain]

that's not 3 civs, that's supposed to be 6 or 8 iirc

[opal nymph]

Because you have to focus on what you want improved

[pseudo raven]

25 combat width

[remote quarry]

yeah so im just saying it's not that terrible

[snow rain]

2 and 2 in algeria and 2 (and potentially 2 more) in france

[spiral prawn]

Oh wait im wrong

[inner iron]

I don't think I've ever touched the military tree as France by the time I'm at war

[spiral prawn]

[nocturne garnet]

Do you guys have any suggestions on how to defeat usa i defeated the allies before usa could join and im playing as germany

[remote quarry]

and spawning in colonies is very valuable

[spiral prawn]

Nevermind didnt know it was 8 civs

[remote quarry]

attack from canada

[feral hedge]

I know, i can read, I was just trying to mimic the paradox dev's thoughts when he was creating that focus

[snow rain]

lacking vital AA
MP's useless
light tank doesn't serve any purpose for its cost

[remote quarry]

lmao yes

totally

paradox be like ofc you would want 10% construction speed... on palau!

[nocturne garnet]

i did but usa has a really big amount of divisions

[feral hedge]

Gamechanger

Absolutely

[opal nymph]

You can build costal forts 10% faster!

[nocturne garnet]

they completely counter attacked me

[feral hedge]

Btw I have a question

[opal nymph]

Because you arent simply going to naval invade Hawaii

[waxen jacinth]

everything of paradox

is useless

all new dlc is garbage

only good last dlc was non step back

[opal nymph]

New DLC is fine aside from price

[waxen jacinth]

and goddum

[opal nymph]

The price is awful

[feral hedge]

Is it better to release china as a collab gov or as the reorganized roc via the japanese focus?

[waxen jacinth]

no naval range, 50 days naval invasion

[opal nymph]

Arms Against Tyranny was peak

[flint wyvern]

If ur playing as ussr with no tanks should you reasearch max AT

[opal nymph]

Boo hoo. I can do 12 divisions instead of 10 now

[nocturne garnet]

can anyone tell what dlc should i take? I got enough budget for two only

[opal nymph]

I got a buff

Take that

[feral hedge]

You can do better than that

[opal nymph]

I have patience

[remote quarry]

neither

[opal nymph]

I can wait the 40 extra days

[inner iron]

I naval invaded the US with the starting Japanese fleet lol

[remote quarry]

you occpuy china with 100%(or 90%) compliance

[feral hedge]

Yeah but the main focus was nordics so its kinda meh in terms of country content

[remote quarry]

from doing 3 collab missions on them

[waxen jacinth]

why 90%

?

[opal nymph]

MIOs are great

[feral hedge]

Oh wait that's right

[remote quarry]

3x30%

if you are unlucky

[opal nymph]

The Nordic trees were good

[feral hedge]

MIO's should be base game

[opal nymph]

They even made Finland base game

Its historical at least

[flint wyvern]

If ur playing as ussr with no tanks should you reasearch max AT

[feral hedge]

It's an essential game mechanic

[opal nymph]

You will enjoy your 150pp designers

[remote quarry]

not against ai

[opal nymph]

And its 5% stats

[inner iron]

If ur doing inf build, you go heavy into air

[feral hedge]

[inner iron]

No at needed

[feral hedge]

At is never needed

[inner iron]

Support anti air pierces AI tanks

[opal nymph]

AT is a myth.

The German 88 was originally an AA gun too I believe

[inner iron]

Soviets having AT is a myth too, they had a copious amounts of AT rifles

[nocturne garnet]

can anyone plese tell how to do encirclements im not using any dlcs

im struggling with usa

[opal nymph]

Manually control divisions

Close salients

Make breakthroughs at an area and then link up with your own troops or with a border of another country or the sea

[nocturne garnet]

also how do i use field marshalls?

i have been using general only the entire run

[opal nymph]

They are generals for your generals

[nocturne garnet]

Oh,

makes sense ig

[craggy trail]

They give 50% of stats onto subordinate army groups (generals)

[nocturne garnet]

do you guys also got any tips for attacking usa? Im playing as germany and i took down the allies before usa could join. And yes im attacking from canada

[opal nymph]

Do you own canada?

[nocturne garnet]

puppet

[prisma saddle]

decent?

[opal nymph]

Okay, so New England struggles with supply from my experience

[nocturne garnet]

i built supply hubs

i did the proper stuff

[opal nymph]

The US didnt

That means you are walking where there won't be supply

The nearest port is Boston for a supply hub

[nocturne garnet]

i built supply hubs as i advanced currently i have a stalemate from new york to the great lakes

[opal nymph]

I suggest you naval invade the New England area as you make a push down and link up

[nocturne garnet]

Alright

[opal nymph]

You can also make a drive down the West Coast and the plains since it is easy to invade terrain

Invading Buffalo and Detroit can also work well

[nocturne garnet]

i did but then my troops got the stalingrad treatment down there

and things didnt go well

[opal nymph]

Wait, you already invaded?

[craggy trail]

Yes. I would remove sloped armor for an extra heavy machine gun, but you'd have to armor your design a little bit more

[nocturne garnet]

yep

[opal nymph]

Or did you revert

[nocturne garnet]

invasion is going on

[opal nymph]

Oh...

What do you own

[nocturne garnet]

i completely surrouned them with my ships

[opal nymph]

Then naval invade

[nocturne garnet]

Everything above new york and nothing else ig

ww1 situation

[opal nymph]

What year is it

[nocturne garnet]

1942 october

I got green air and green seas

[opal nymph]

Okay. You should probably naval invade the coastal cities

[knotty vortex]

well we are still here

[nocturne garnet]

washington?

[knotty vortex]

havent folded yet

[inner iron]

Do you also have cas

[nocturne garnet]

3K

[opal nymph]

Especially LA, San Diego, and San Francisco

[knotty vortex]

165k casualties to 2.95m

[inner iron]

Ground attack can let you battleplan easily

[opal nymph]

DC

[atomic wolf]

uh guys how do you get good at ground attacks like offensive

[knotty vortex]

so i assume i am doing okay

[opal nymph]

I assume you already have Washington state

[inner iron]

Do you get atleast 100 ground attack when your frontline pushes

[nocturne garnet]

i did but then i got a dunkirk situation

[opal nymph]

Oof

[nocturne garnet]

sometimes

[nocturne garnet]

i evacuated tho

saved 16 divisions

out of 24

[inner iron]

Is your cas design stacked with heavy bomb locks

[atomic wolf]

when you started how did you like defeat Ethiopia guys

[inner iron]

Or is it the weaker stuff

[nocturne garnet]

im broke i dont got no dlc

[opal nymph]

I took Addis Ababa

[inner iron]

Bruh

[opal nymph]

Do you have BBA or no?

[atomic wolf]

how do i get good at offensives

[opal nymph]

Because without DLC, Ethiopia is much easier to deal with

[atomic wolf]

it's annoying cuz they keep stalling me

[nocturne garnet]

im getting some dlc but i got budget onky for two ehat should i get?

[opal nymph]

You manually micro troops and pin the enemy so you can walk for free potentially

If they cant redeploy, you can walk into places for free

Pinning Ethiopian troops is quite vital if you want to win quickly

[somber agate]

Is it just me or is japan in the new update (not dlc) cancerous to play

[opal nymph]

Also do any means necessary

You want to rush them down before supply really screws you over

[spiral prawn]

I mean some of the hoi4 pacing is quite bad, like here I can core Portugal before i've even recored my own country

[opal nymph]

And use bombers to provide CAS

[atomic wolf]

Il try again today

[opal nymph]

Lmao. Guess Portugal gave up resisting faster than the Spanish guerrillas

But that is a compliance thing

[spiral prawn]

[opal nymph]

Also I think the only way to get the Spanish civil war borders is by suppressing the strikes

[atomic wolf]

I suppose il use bombers and fighters more

[opal nymph]

Otherwise I have found it impossible to get every state

[atomic wolf]

not like o need fighters since there's no Ethiopian ones

[nocturne garnet]

btw i did start a civil war in usa so usa is also busy fighting fascist florida

[opal nymph]

Why fighters?

They dont have planes

[atomic wolf]

wait not fighters

[snow rain]

change that occupation law to civilian oversight and make sure the garrisons are equipped

[opal nymph]

Fighters fight planes

[spiral prawn]

Yes i've doen that

[atomic wolf]

when i beat ethiopia i can maybe fight other nations

[opal nymph]

Ah, that is helpful. Did you send troops to aid the fascist US?

[cedar monolith]

Should this be forcing Japan into a meat grinder in China?

[prisma saddle]

i mean he reliability still important right?

[atomic wolf]

the only really good thing ive done is defense or hold of the enemy for long periods of time (when they invade me)

[atomic wolf]

How fast is a usually Ethiopian war for you

[craggy trail]

Reliability isn't really important so long as you don't take heavy attrition from low supply

[opal nymph]

Within 105 days

That is when Ethiopia can perma war you with DLC

[prisma saddle]

mh alright

[craggy trail]

But generally for me, I would stick around 60% reliability

[nocturne garnet]

i couldnt somehow ally the, like the button was black or smth

[opal nymph]

Weird

[nocturne garnet]

Am i supposed tos end volunteers?

to send*

also for the love of god i cant execute case anton

even when free france has been obliterated

[knotty vortex]

who invited the french.

[nocturne garnet]

wait germany and france are destroying you or is france helping you?

[knotty vortex]

france is helping

i was doing fine by myself

then they did that

[nocturne garnet]

well germany probably did danzig

maybe thats why

and didnt put enough troops at the maginot line

are u in the allies faction with the frenchies and brits?

[knotty vortex]

LOOK AT THIS

WHY HAVE THEY CUT ME OFF

[nocturne garnet]

Try to build navy and naval invasion?

this is 1942 and ussr didnt get invaded?

are u playing single or multiplayer?

[knotty vortex]

what in the hell is this.

are the french gonna get a ton of warscore from this

[nocturne garnet]

all

[frank zodiac]

huru

[frank zodiac]

nice

[knotty vortex]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

[atomic wolf]

idol did you get United Benelux with no dlc?

[knotty vortex]

no i have all dlc

[atomic wolf]

Do you need dlc for Benelux?

[spiral prawn]

They gave everyone the turning the tide dlc when that new japanese update released

[knotty vortex]

its beautiful

[atomic wolf]

oh god i suck so bad 25 july 1936 and i only have half of Ethiopia

i should of won quicker bro

[arctic nest]

daawng

[atomic wolf]

yeah

[pseudo raven]

actualy this shit works

[arctic nest]

why military police tho?

also why not annex baltics?

you can easyly get 300 factories at this time

[pseudo raven]

i needed to rush this doctrine

[arctic nest]

alr

[pseudo raven]

i am not soviet player at all

because i prety much hate paranoic stalin events

[pseudo raven]

i were thinking about this

but then desided that shorter frontline is better

[silver eagle]

Need to convince my friend to buy hoi4 (he is currently a dummy nation player...)

[heavy vigil]

field engineering? :(

:(((

:C

[pseudo raven]

i just gifted to this game to my friend

[pseudo raven]

great defensive doc

[silver eagle]

Good idea

[heavy vigil]

but engineering is SO bad

[pseudo raven]

why

entrach is excelent stat

[heavy vigil]

the doctrine is legitimately the worst choice

it doesnt buff anything important

like

half the buffs are like

have some hp and org for your engineer

not for your infantry

just for the support company

it doesnt apply to anything else

[surreal mist]

all this bait about entrenchment smh, though i guess it works against ai

[pseudo raven]

yes

i am not a mp player

[surreal mist]

doesnt mean there arent better options

[atomic wolf]

are forts good for like delaying enemies especially when germany is invading you

[pseudo raven]

so basicly evry doc works fine

[surreal mist]

up to lvl 2 is fine, more and its inefficient investment

[arctic nest]

not if your defeinding as the soviets ?

[pseudo raven]

as soviet you probably would lose some but yes they are good

[atomic wolf]

no im netherlands

[pseudo raven]

then yes i gues

you would get some by focuses

[surreal mist]

statistically useless doctrine unfortunately, entrenchment is overrated as a defensive stat because of how hoi4 treats it compared to planning

deorg once = 0 entrenchment

[heavy vigil]

obligatory worst doctrine choices image

[silver eagle]

Somehow a while ago I won a game with Marine divisions that had like 20 organization. I have no idea how

[heavy vigil]

btw AT frontline also gives entrenchment

even if you wanna stack trench

its just not good

[surreal mist]

entrenchment helps the most when you can defend without getting deorged, but when is that even relevant, just push them if you're that much stronger

[quasi viper]

You know what mod we need?

[surreal mist]

you get entrenchment from line arty in that doctrine what is that bait lmao

[heavy vigil]

its something

[quasi viper]

A Mexican states mod XD

[heavy vigil]

dozer blades would be better but yk

just to take on his specific argument

[unkempt zodiac]

i just got 6 tank divisions encircled which furniture should i break guys

[heavy vigil]

of needing to stack entrenchment

tbh you prob would do SPG there with dozer blades

[surreal mist]

dozer light tank entrenchment stack trust

[heavy vigil]

thats kinda balling

light SPG trench stack

no breakthrough

[quasi viper]

Just imagine a Mexican States Battle Royale in HOI4 XD

[surreal mist]

you'll be slapping with 5k soft on defense though

maybe worth

[unkempt zodiac]

we share a crazy ass server beo 😭

[heavy vigil]

oh that server isnt that crazy

[surreal mist]

no shot armored spearhead is worst choice in tank doctrines

[atomic wolf]

oh god it's scary seeing 25 germen divisions near my border at least my forts will do well

[surreal mist]

armored spearhead kinda goated for stacking break on inf

[heavy vigil]

this was from when i was dumber but also im pretty sure the others give better bufgs

buffs*

or gave

[rigid pollen]

im sure this ha been asked millions of time before but how muc divs should i aim for singleplayer barbarossa as germany

[unkempt zodiac]

dont trust forts that much bro

[atomic wolf]

okay yeah i definitely need manpower even though my war support is 0

[arctic nest]

entrenchment buffs attack and defense tho while planing just attack when ur attacking

[unkempt zodiac]

dont get that many divisions to the point where everyone is undersupplied

[surreal mist]

planning buffs attack and breakthrough

[unkempt zodiac]

research good soft attack+breakthrough tanks and do spearheads everywhere

[surreal mist]

and doesnt get lost when moving a single tile

[rigid pollen]

yeah that’s kinda why im asking XD

[surreal mist]

planning is far superior to entrenchment even though they are supposed to be mirrors of eachother

[unkempt zodiac]

how many do u have

[rigid pollen]

I’m not there yet I’m js curious so I can plan in advance

currently 1937 lul

[unkempt zodiac]

did u take down uk

[rigid pollen]

negative

[arctic nest]

what bad about spearhead tho?

[atomic wolf]

Oh i will

[unkempt zodiac]

invade spain and steal their navy trust

[rigid pollen]

idk how to design good ships so I’m just spamming docks instead

[atomic wolf]

my cozy netherland soldier's in there forts will do just fine

[unkempt zodiac]

JUST STEAL SPAINS NAVY

lol

[rigid pollen]

not a terrible idea ICL

[unkempt zodiac]

they dont join anyone

so you DO get peace conference

[rigid pollen]

there’s a focus for that right

[unkempt zodiac]

and they are TERRIBLE

[arctic nest]

do light cruiser max light attack

[unkempt zodiac]

yeah but war goal takes 70 days anyways i think

[rigid pollen]

o ok

should I just naval invade Spain or wait for fall of france

[unkempt zodiac]

if u established vichy

then its only 2 tiles

you ewill NEVER push

just do a fallback line into french territory

wait for them to push

and u can easily break them

[heavy vigil]

its not that bad just the others seemed better

[rigid pollen]

I’m still in 1937
should I just not Vichy or is that a bad idea

[heavy vigil]

its kinda the same with 4th support doctrine

all of them are pretty good

[unkempt zodiac]

i mean vichy is good i guess

[heavy vigil]

some are just better mostly situationally

[unkempt zodiac]

it depends

[heavy vigil]

besides exped warfare that one legit sucks

[arctic nest]

you mean like the tank destroyer one?

[surreal mist]

the worst tank doctrine is the heavy tank one, only buffs heavy and medium tanks, no buffs to spg or td, and tiny numbers

[rigid pollen]

Realistically I could just naval invade Spain from Italy

[surreal mist]

it gives 100% heavy tank research speed bonus instantly though

maybe worth the army xp to take and then swap

[unkempt zodiac]

not unless you have a shitty navy lol

[heavy vigil]

im pretty sure thats the one i chose

[unkempt zodiac]

spains navy IS strong

[rigid pollen]

THEN WHAT DOI DI

DO

[unkempt zodiac]

BEO ok

show me your map

[surreal mist]

armored spearhead is the 40% breakthrough one, i.e old mobile right right

[rigid pollen]

ITS 1937

[arctic nest]

bro they have like 10 ships

[surreal mist]

goated for stacking break on inf

[rigid pollen]

WW2 HASNT EVN STARTED YET

[heavy vigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866823601080369172/1359017573928275968/stiopahasdementia.gif

[unkempt zodiac]

its enough to get dominance in the english channel

[rigid pollen]

I’m planning in advance but nat Spain is like about to win in the civil war

[atomic wolf]

i did this yesterday and putted it on historical eh this is historical sure totally

[unkempt zodiac]

yeah they will win

[rigid pollen]

@unkempt zodiac il send my map and shit now ima quickly finish my dinner

[unkempt zodiac]

okayy

[heavy vigil]

rn im locked in on playing minecraft 8+ hours a day so i can afford rent

so youre probably right

[ornate jewel]

Hey could someone send a pic of PRC focus tree with new dlc

[arctic nest]

that doasnt mean its a big navy its just a ai problem with the new update

[unkempt zodiac]

i mean it isnt a big navy anyway

but neither is the germans..

[supple snow]

Hey, does anyone know if theres a workaround for freezing on Mac?

I reported it, and even got another person replying with their broken saves too, but obvs ain’t gonna be fixed anytime soon due to the holiday break

[surreal mist]

minecraft is fun to binge with friends every now and then, though idk about 8+ hours...

[unkempt zodiac]

its just enough to get dominance in the eng channel

unless you wanna deal with NAV's

which they are good but just wayy too much work

since you get embargoed by literally everyone

[heavy vigil]

i must grind

its like the same time id spend here if i didnt have something more engaging to do

[prisma saddle]

how that even happened..

[unkempt zodiac]

the lion does not concern himself with naval research

[prisma saddle]

yeah the fantastic uk AI

[unkempt zodiac]

THE AI DID THIS? 😭

LMAO

[prisma saddle]

YES

[unkempt zodiac]

i want whatever the british ai is having

[pseudo raven]

so which are the best one?

[prisma saddle]

me too

[unkempt zodiac]

who knew staying at home and comitting war crimes all day could be this fun

[prisma saddle]

czechoslovakia of course know it

[atomic wolf]

How do u make the Benelux since i made the alliance but how do i prop a union?

[prisma saddle]

you should see it in teh focus tree

oh in the decisions

[atomic wolf]

oh i see how to prop it now

ty

[prisma saddle]

no problem irish czech

[rigid pollen]

@unkempt zodiac dmed ya

[bright sinew]

welp

we did it reddit

[arctic nest]

i think some nations have this

[prisma saddle]

you need to start making some achievment my friend

[bright sinew]

meh

i got the fun/hard ones

vanilla is boring

[prisma saddle]

mh

yea

[bright sinew]

well

[prisma saddle]

but some are funny

[bright sinew]

not really boring per sde

if im being honest

the real reaso ni dont wanna play iron man mode

is because the save frequency pisses me off

[prisma saddle]

oh yea

[bright sinew]

i would rather have no saves at all then have my game constantly save every 3 minutes and freeze

[prisma saddle]

understable tbh

[bright sinew]

its so dumb you can't turn saves off

[prisma saddle]

they do that for no retun

like what you have made you made it

[arctic nest]

you can make them save every year

or every half year

or never

[atomic wolf]

will this hold against germans

[soft warren]

Hi

[bright sinew]

i guess i could go for more achievements, these are most of the ones i have

[atomic wolf]

I have forts around the border too

[soft warren]

I am not playing iron mod

[arctic nest]

no

[atomic wolf]

what should i improve

[arctic nest]

you are using motorised and cav

[bright sinew]

ehhh depends?

what are the templates

[atomic wolf]

i didn't start templates ye

*yet

[bright sinew]

i mean the motorized and cav could help a little if you put them up north ig with those naval bases set to truck(assuming you have the trucks to supply that as well) and you dont intend to push

[knotty vortex]

whats the european union formable like?

are they good

[bright sinew]

id rec changing to more defensive specific infantry templates tho if you wanna do that

[atomic wolf]

im gonna do that

im trynna hold out til 1943

[bright sinew]

and then just like, make a template(s) for pushing and have a few of those break out when the time is right

but im kinda weird i like having templates set aside for holding the line/defending and templates set aside that make up an army group for making breakthroughs

from what i understand everyone mostly just builds meta templates for every division no matter what that division will be used for

(which is just a waste imo, but it works tho cus its meta lol)

[atomic wolf]

im just gonna play defensive and try to keep my borders the same

[bright sinew]

i think i need to update my obsidian doc that has all my hoi4 notes in it

[atomic wolf]

what should my templates look like

[bright sinew]

take with a massive grain of salt i have no updated for the new combat widths in like 4 months lol

here is a shit guide on grinding general xp i guess too since i have it

also notes about coordination, initiative, planning, and recovery rate(very underlooked aspects of divisions)

the notes on coordination etc should still be valid at least

and that will get you like 35% of the way towards making your own templates(rest is figuring out how combat width works but you can just cheat it kinda like i did and write the widths for specific templates)
https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/comments/1p2wn26/questions_about_designs_division_templates/
recent thread w some good tips in it as well

[arctic nest]

coring europe is good

[knotty vortex]

do you gotta invade them

[arctic nest]

who?

[knotty vortex]

germany and france

theyre required for that realise european unity decision

you gotta own all the provinces

[arctic nest]

they are easy to invade

frances hast disjointed goverment

and germany is small

[hoary mortar]

hi

[supple summit]

yp

[cedar kite]

Control*

[knotty vortex]

what are the ways of doing that

[cedar kite]

The only pain is invading Corsica and Sardinia

[knotty vortex]

how do you invade france without a war with the allies

[cedar kite]

Control is when war but you can also own them

[knotty vortex]

and japan and ussr with germany

[cedar kite]

The only formable that requires that you own them is peru-bolivia

[knotty vortex]

i probably wouldnt be able to form the european union then

[cedar kite]

They dont join allies in the start of the game justify on syria

[knotty vortex]

and then go to war with syria?

will that bring france in

how do i deal with germany

[cedar kite]

Yes it's their puppet but tension is lower

[knotty vortex]

cause i struggle enough when apart of the allies as Benelux Federation

[knotty vortex]

ah okay

[cedar kite]

You could also just invite France to the eu faction if you go eu path as netherlands

And then puppet them

[knotty vortex]

you know the benelux federation path

i havent gone past the lessons from the lower countries or whatever

what does the european union focus do

does that make the Realise European Unity decision easier

[sharp sierra]

we gotta get ncns to overwhelmingly negative on steam

[wind marlin]

ive realistically never seen an defensive speedrun work

[prisma saddle]

damn

[knotty vortex]

how do i get germany and france into european union

cause lowkey i need to form the european federation

[fair compass]

Invade them

[knotty vortex]

sad

how do i invade france

theyre a democracy

so i cant declare a war goal

[fair compass]

Are you also one?

[knotty vortex]

yeah im the european president

[fair compass]

Rips

[knotty vortex]

damn that sucks

i guess i just try federalize other states

[warped flint]

how can I convince the soviets to give me tranyslvania

Nvm i am crashing out these stupid faction rules

its so stupid

[knotty vortex]

UNITING THE NATIONS!

[quasi shoal]

Win a war ig idk

[warped flint]

Cant do that

cause of stupid faction rules

I hate the faction system

[knotty vortex]

hi olive

playing my first formable

[quasi shoal]

Change them

[quasi shoal]

Sick

[knotty vortex]

well my second formable

[warped flint]

By the time I can do that germany would be attacking me

[knotty vortex]

i did benelux federation and beat germany with the allies

[quasi shoal]

So prep to beat them

[knotty vortex]

now im doing european president

im tryna do this now

[quasi shoal]

Oh that thing's busted

If you can get the states

[knotty vortex]

right now i have poland, czech, hungary, romania, bulgaria, denmark, iceland

in the european union

[warped flint]

no im good for now

[knotty vortex]

so we should be okay against the germans

[warped flint]

I just want to invade hungary

but no no no stupid faction rules

[quasi shoal]

What rule is stopping you

[warped flint]

It says I need to be a major country

[quasi shoal]

?

[warped flint]

nvm

[fallen vigil]

how do i deal with the kurdish rebels as turkey??

[cedar kite]

But you already have the decision for eu which requires you to be a major so how are you not a major?

[warped flint]

Thats a differnt persons thing

thats not my game

[wary tundra]

is this a lot of puppets?

may have used instant_wargoal

[knotty vortex]

european union is kinda difficult

[spiral sphinx]

depends on your luck and country

[knotty vortex]

im tryna federalize states before ww2

not going well

czech rejected

[spiral sphinx]

what country

[knotty vortex]

what countries usually accept federalization

that lets me annex them right

[spiral sphinx]

They get EU member state

which is like integrated puppet

[knotty vortex]

i see

which countries will accept that

[spiral sphinx]

pretty much luck

[knotty vortex]

damn it

[spiral sphinx]

I had a run where 90% of the balkan went EU but another run nobody even wanted to join my faction

[celest zenith]

marshall law + top priority for garrison equipment

[knotty vortex]

hmm

do you reckon increasing relations with the nations increases federelization acception chances

[spiral sphinx]

but as belgium you have a decent chance for france in faction sooo

[spiral sphinx]

idk

might do something

[knotty vortex]

ill try it

[spiral sphinx]

still luck at the end