hoi4-general

[open quartz]

It makes playing as any asian country pointless

[ancient marsh]

i recommend reading up on this and why they control the land with a lot of resources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_for_Africa

[open quartz]

it's not just africa

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze replace 2 of the extra things with heavy machine guns

[ancient marsh]

honestly i actually agree with the sentiment that africa doesnt have enough resources tho

for some reason a lot of resources that should be in africa are just

[open quartz]

europe in particular hosts a lot of steel

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze then get armor skirts and easy maintenence

[ancient marsh]

placed in the motherland

[kind vale]

If I make sp artillery as Germany should I use Alkett?

As the mio

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze swap the radio

[open quartz]

Also according to this game, the entirety of Libya has no natural resources

[ancient marsh]

?

just trade

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze then change from medium tank to sp art
no engine

[open quartz]

trade with european countries yeah that creates a sense of dependency

[dim stag]

I already found the DLCs to modify the tanks and planes. Thank you so much anyway, even though you couldn't help me, you gave me some information. You're a great community, I love you all.

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze

@queen bronze did you make them sp art

[ancient marsh]

libya's real oil reserves werent discovered till 1959

italy has a focus to make oil there i believe

[kind vale]

Good luck

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze yes

[open quartz]

you are kinda missing my point

[desert echo]

Yeah sorry I couldn't help ya

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze it buffs soft attack a ton
it's technically not a tank so you gotta change the division

[kind vale]

It does

[desert echo]

Have a good time playing it

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze like what you did

[ancient marsh]

if ur point is that there should be more resources yeah i agree
but giving everyone all the resources also removes any challenges in production

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze also make it so you have 2 columns of sp art and 2 of mechanized, and if it's not at 36 width yet add 2 more sp art

[ancient marsh]

because literally only 2 things worsen production

• low/no resources
• low production eff

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze 2 full columns

[open quartz]

Not giving every country an abundance of resources. But enough to make it feel rewarding. If you win the battle for China you still have to import steel from the Soviets, and it's rather underwhelming for such a tedious and lengthy fight

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze more sp art on the side

[ancient marsh]

are you talking as japan

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze recon rangers, assault engi

[ancient marsh]

or as china

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze keep the art

@queen bronze that should be good but it'll take a while to make

[open quartz]

i'm talking about any of the asian countries they can all technically be victorious and control the entirety of china

[ancient marsh]

guangxi and guangdong have a lot of everything

max infra there and youll get a sizable lot of steel

tungsten

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze merge divisions since you're not gonna have many
an equipped division is better than 5 unequipped ones

[ancient marsh]

china's set on coal

[open quartz]

and all the other chinese nations are unplayable

[ancient marsh]

theyre not

just diversify production

or, just take the production malus

its not even that bad

unless you have absolutely nothing

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze merge some of your defense guys to save on the inf equip deficit

[open quartz]

they're completely underwhelming due to the lack of resources

[ancient marsh]

i played fengtian the other day and relocated to hebei-chahar

0 resources except coal

did fine and had fun

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze delete like half of them cuz you're in huge deficits

[ancient marsh]

not really any production issues and all i was making was guns and trucks and trains

[open quartz]

the national focus I think it's called proclaim rival government or something like that

it gives cores

And

[ancient marsh]

you can just annex china for free ya

[open quartz]

Increases factory count

[ancient marsh]

idk

[open quartz]

however factories require coal and steel to be efficient

[ancient marsh]

the game wouldnt be the same if you just had all the resources

[quasi shoal]

not steel

if you're making planes

[open quartz]

nah that's not what i'm saying

[quasi shoal]

and coal is pretty easy to get as the majors

[open quartz]

like for example I don't think a random country in the jungle should have 1 of every resource

[desert echo]

Tungsten

And rubber

[sage plover]

damn, german ai did sumin in barbarossa for once

[quasi shoal]

aluminum

but they said steel and coal

[sage plover]

it is deceptively easy ngl

[desert echo]

Oh I forgor

[ancient marsh]

not to bail out paradox obviously not intending to have so few resources in a lot of areas

but retrospectively its pretty accurate in a lot of places

[desert echo]

Coal to keep up with the factory maybe, not directly for the aircraft

[ancient marsh]

many resource deposits in like china or africa werent discovered till after the game's timeframe

[desert echo]

Ooh yeah

It's aluminum

[ancient marsh]

like for oil

[desert echo]

Tungsten is not the one like paper

[dusky burrow]

Yeah you basically hold, as long as you can do that you should be fine

[ancient marsh]

and honestly you will have like

a hundred civs as any china except prc or kmt

[sage plover]

24 divisions stationed on belgiums border and youve won </3

[ancient marsh]

you can lend some out

pretty funny how kmt and cpc are actually the weakest for unifying china

short to mid term anyway

[desert echo]

Sichuan Clique 🗣️🔥

[sage plover]

is it just me or did they nerf the germany ai? cuz before the DLC germany had a decent chance of winning barbarossa, but now it feels like you have to baby them

[ancient marsh]

i havent tried the fascist path for kmt tho maybe its strong enough to justify it

[desert echo]

The blue shirts?

It's good

[open quartz]

i disagree, i think they're underrepresenting both china and africa's resources. Japan has lots of steel in the game despite being in the same time period and part of the globe. And I don't think that it's fair to say because they were slightly more industrialized that means steel was scarce in China. It makes no sense

[dusky burrow]

Also focus order should be National Bloc -> Devalue Franc -> Begin Rearmament, and from there I'd just rush to Strengthen Government

And then rush your colonial development and two research slots

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze just put them on a fallback line for a bit while they reinforce

[kind vale]

Its 1936-1949 there weren't alot of discovery discovered pockets of resources

[sage plover]

i played france once bruh, their focus tree is unbearably bad

its so simple

[dusky burrow]

Yeah it's quite simple

[kind vale]

It and the rest of the democracy nations need new ones

[quasi shoal]

@echo crag look at his years tho, he's not gonna be powerful enough to kill the ussr on france if he's only this strong in '46

[kind vale]

Especially the usa

[ancient marsh]

(its actually good

[sage plover]

the UK focus tree aint that bad ngl, it is also just simple

[dusky burrow]

Well, except for the communist parts

[kind vale]

Kinda small and outdated but pretty good

[sage plover]

doesnt it have like, 2 focus's that are 35 days?

</3

[ancient marsh]

ill die on the hill forever that a focus tree that makes you actually think about what your doing is best

[sage plover]

true

[ancient marsh]

good too except the forced civil war

[quasi shoal]

@echo crag he has a lot of planes but they weren't that good for how many he had

[sage plover]

france is easy to win, you dont have to think at all

legit just place troops on the belgium border

thats it, boom, won </3

[ancient marsh]

if your just building forts or cheesing yea

[kind vale]

Maybe add some forts

[sage plover]

no?

[ancient marsh]

your focus tree forces you to actually prioritize stuff if your not on alt hist lol

you don't have a million buffs from 35 day focuses

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze it is timed, only 180 dayss

[dusky burrow]

Yeah

[dusky burrow]

You don't need the forst

You can do a tank build yourself

[ancient marsh]

yeah you can but

that kinda plays into my point actually

to get that tank build really rolling you need to focus on it and develop beforehand with your limited focus time

[dusky burrow]

I mean

[ancient marsh]

do you want to lean into mils or civs through your tree at the cost of stability or political power or surrender progress

[dusky burrow]

So does any other build

[ancient marsh]

it's not the same for someone like germany or japan or

any modern focus tree lol

[sage plover]

i dont even think u need tanks tbh

when i played, i just had prepared entrenched troops on the belgian border that i didnt move

[ancient marsh]

where you can just do all of your navy and air and land build and still have time left over

[sage plover]

its also how i play UK

[dusky burrow]

No you don't

[sage plover]

i just place some troops on the belgian border in france, like 24

germans cant break through

[dusky burrow]

large unit infantry france or special forces france will do just as fine

[ancient marsh]

honestly i think france should be harder

[sage plover]

just some basic 9/0's with engineers and arti

[ancient marsh]

and some focuses should be even more tight

[quasi shoal]

you can pretty easily

[sage plover]

tbh i think how to rank a focus tree is by how fun it is in the end, french focus tree just aint fun

not much interesting alt hist, pretty easy and super drawn out

[quasi shoal]

70 day focus hell

[sage plover]

legit

the UK focus tree is similar, but atleast you have some interesting stuff

you can attack the USA, form the federation

[ancient marsh]

idk i think this is all just a symptom of how condensed and power crept focus trees have become

and that's a good and bad thing

not any time in 2022 was i seeing people complain about the french tree or british tree

[quasi shoal]

all focus trees would be better with less 70 day focuses

[quasi shoal]

they're less condensed imo

[ancient marsh]

and after these get reworked and repackaged people will go and complain about the older focus tree

and it's just an endless cycle lol

[quasi shoal]

imo nowadayss they're more spread out

[sage plover]

what do you expect? when its all they had, before the more modern-like focus trees were a thing

[quasi shoal]

there's just more stuff to do, so even if some stuff is boring, there's like 30 thousand more interesting things to do

[sage plover]

the modern focus trees are just, more fun

realistically

[ancient marsh]

does france or britain really need a massive focus tree though

what more should be available

[quasi shoal]

alt history

[sage plover]

they need a rework, thats for sure

[ancient marsh]

yea but what

[sage plover]

that too

[quasi shoal]

a lot of focus treess are big cuz of alt history

[ancient marsh]

what dont you like with the current tree except for 70 day focuses

[quasi shoal]

have you seen the british alt history branch

[sage plover]

as a brit, i would like it to explore more into oswald mosely

or the communist path

[quasi shoal]

there's just not much content

[sage plover]

maybe explore stuff like syndicalism

[crisp wyvern]

Just capitulated France as imperial Germany and peaced out from the war, my Belgian puppet ate all of France

[quasi shoal]

you get 2 war goals and like 5% buffs to some useless sstats

[crisp wyvern]

Ignore the border gore

[dusky burrow]

Yeah true

[quasi shoal]

and then you're done with the political branch

[sage plover]

the french capitulation paths should be more indepth and interesting aswell

[crisp wyvern]

And also, I allowed the Netherlands to be free cuz why not

[quasi shoal]

esp cuz historically they stay capitulated for a long time

[dusky burrow]

You can probably ask some things from your puppet tbh

[sage plover]

exactly

[ancient marsh]

i think these are fine given you can literally do uprisings in the enemy territory as free france

and gradually relinquish yourself of the occupation

and basically be an axis minor

you regain the og tree too

[spring relic]

i cant open hoi4 after pressing play

do i need to reinstall

[sage plover]

have u seen the spaghetti ahh focus tree that is the free france tree? </3

[quasi shoal]

historical britain is just a ton of war goals and a few small buffs that are only really possible on war

[sage plover]

the UK paths are super underwhelming for how majour a part the UK played in ww2

[ancient marsh]

there's a ton in the military branch lol

[quasi shoal]

90% of it is research bonuses

most of it navy research bonuses

[sage plover]

i love the new german focus tree cuz of how indepth it is

how much you can do

theres a bunch of lil things you can do, lil changes you can make

optimizations

[ancient marsh]

germany has an endless possibility of content because

its germany

[sage plover]

bunch of ways you can play it

[ancient marsh]

you're going to start the world war

[sage plover]

alt history

[ancient marsh]

some nations arent really in that position

and shouldnt be able to

[quasi shoal]

and britain is the one it fights mainly

[sage plover]

my favourite path is the monarchist path

[quasi shoal]

they should have more stuff too

[sage plover]

there should be stuff like maybe reintegrating the house of hannover

or the angevin empire

[dusky burrow]

also yeah you can definitely build a naval HQ in a puppet

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze I don't think jets are very useful iirc

they're really expensive for not that big of stat buffs

[ancient marsh]

the main criticism i see of focuses trees anymore is just

they arent larpy enough

[quasi shoal]

I just want more stuff to do

[ancient marsh]

you literally can do more stuff

[sage plover]

why do you think hoi4 is popular?

is because it gives so much possibilitys

the alt history

[ancient marsh]

just because its not laid out on a silver platter of a focus tree doesnt mean you cant do it

[sage plover]

it lets you explore what could of happened

[ancient marsh]

theres a difference between alt hist and larp

[quasi shoal]

more stuff to do in the focus tree

[sage plover]

what we want from the focus trees, is alt history

[dusky burrow]

They're not that expensive tbh, axial jet is just 2 ic more than engine 4

[sage plover]

thats what we're asking for

[quasi shoal]

what's the point of a focus tree full of war goals if I can just declare on them myself

[dusky burrow]

and if you have the range it is definitely more than 2 ic worth

[ancient marsh]

citing the chudjak

[ancient marsh]

this is larp slop

this stuff not existing has been like

[dusky burrow]

Oof

[quasi shoal]

for english channel tho?

[ancient marsh]

the main criticism of most recent focus trees

not the actual content of the trees or their decisions

just that theres not larp to do

[sage plover]

im sorry mate, but you sound like the old ppl who go "back in my day!!! we had small shitty focus trees and we enjoyed it"

[quasi shoal]

I don't think that's what larp mean

[ancient marsh]

i'm not necessarily singling out anyones arguments here but its legit this in most recent examples

[ancient marsh]

it's not that

i enjoy the more recent focuses more than the old ones largely

and i dont see an issue with any of these getting an update ever

[sage plover]

"how dare someone want more options!! want to bring back old empires or do go into more wacky scenarios!!"

[ancient marsh]

but to say that they're bad or so bad they immediately need to be fixed

[dusky burrow]

Well the English Channel is a small region

[sage plover]

your coming across as that mate

[ancient marsh]

when there are clearly worse nations

[dusky burrow]

You may have issues with range in the pacific, but not in the English Channel, so jet engines should be fine there

[ancient marsh]

a focus tree being a little grounded isnt a bad thing

[sage plover]

but your implying any focus tree that goes abit weird or wacky is,

[ancient marsh]

if france got its focus tree remade today i guarantee there'd be some stupid thing where you can make a statue of napoleon your ruler

[quasi shoal]

there still in a ginormous deficit tho so it might just be better to use not jet enginess

ginormous of everything tbh

[ancient marsh]

i said the contrary

[quasi shoal]

20k inf and like 10k tankss

[wicked haven]

Bruh why did the USSR sign and then cancel then resign a non agg pact with me

[sage plover]

this entire thing is legit just insulting more fun wacky focus trees

[sage plover]

that would be funny asf

i wish that was a thing XD

[dusky burrow]

What do you mean?

[quasi shoal]

like they have nothing

cuz they were using not very good stuff before

[sage plover]

having a napoleon statue as a leader would be great

[ancient marsh]

forgive me for thinking that eva braun becoming fuhrer of germany is a bit silly even for this game's standards and it doesnt really make germany any better or worse

[quasi shoal]

what's wrong with silly

[ancient marsh]

and its honestly a half baked attempt to try and have people glaze recent dlcs that are absolutely horrible

like GOE or NCNS

[sage plover]

hitler can literally be a grandma spy in this game bruh

wacky is baked into it

[ancient marsh]

as some sort of justification for the content being horrible here you can make yamamoto the premier

[sage plover]

it really does just feel like your spiteing them for adding anything more whimsickle, even if thats not how your tryna come across

[quasi shoal]

ncns is not that bad

if anything it's good

it's just overpriced

[sage plover]

ive actually enjoyed it sofar tbh

[quasi shoal]

same

[sage plover]

japan the non-alligned path felt quite balanced

i really had to lock in to win

[quasi shoal]

i'm being completely honest I wasn't sure if that was hist or not for a second 💔

i'm not caught up with history like at all

[dusky burrow]

Their only problem would be a chromium deficit or a range deficit on their design

[ancient marsh]

$30 for a good japan tree, mid KMT tree, good PRC tree, bad philippines tree, and like

8 new warlord focuses

everything else was just thrown into the base game

[dusky burrow]

Again, jet engines are not expensive

[quasi shoal]

oh wait I forgot what you said about ic

I wasn't paying attention

[ancient marsh]

and if you're defending the philippines tree let me guess (this goes for anyone)

you played the path where you make a hispanic meganation

[sage plover]

yeah, it was super expensive, but it feels like a fun DLC so far

[dusky burrow]

yeah

[sage plover]

you can criticise the price, go ahead

[simple vine]

does afghanistan have its own tree and if so is it dlc locked

[sage plover]

but ive had fun with it so far

[ancient marsh]

GOE locked

[quasi shoal]

I thought all of the trees were good, besides the phillipenes which was kinda mid

[quasi shoal]

oh they are in a chromium deficit I think

they were in one before, but I also redesigned their tanks so they might not be anymore

[simple vine]

goe?

[ancient marsh]

KMT tree is objectively boring after you beat japan

[quasi shoal]

graveyard of empires

[ancient marsh]

you have nothing to do except filler focuses till you can unite china and then nothing after that

[sage plover]

and in all fairness, you can get the subscription for the game

[ancient marsh]

notice how the focus trees that require you to think and prioritize things are generally better initially

but kinda slump after that point

germany, ethiopia, china,

[quasi shoal]

this is just most focus trees

there's not really post war content

[queen bronze]

do i have to do something specific to have a division man a naval fort

[sage plover]

i agree, but a good focus tree should be both fun, have alot of alt history, some janky goofy stuff like a bear and also have stuff that makes you think

[quasi shoal]

cuz you're not expected to play a ton after the war

[quasi shoal]

no

[ancient marsh]

idk, with the uk or usa trees i generally still feel like im doing something even with the war plan trees

[quasi shoal]

naval forts are passive effects for the province

[ancient marsh]

i feel like im getting rewarded a bit and it'll help with future offensives

[sage plover]

the french focus tree makes you think, yeah

[quasi shoal]

also @queen bronze switch to jet engines apparently they're better as long as you get enough chromium

[sage plover]

but it has like, 0% of the other stuff

[simple vine]

overwhelmingly negative huh

[ancient marsh]

yeah i dont recommend lol

[sage plover]

no jank goofy stuff. all its alt history stuff is abit boring

and minimal

[quasi shoal]

i've heard it kinda sucks

[sage plover]

in all defence, it gives india a good focus tree

[craggy trail]

It's a country pack with no new game mechanics apart from focus trees and elephantry

[sage plover]

i like the east india company path

[ancient marsh]

well well well

[quasi shoal]

franco spanish union when it has literally nothing after forming it

[simple vine]

probably bad but also a must have when you play some of the shitty country's

meh

i wish they had a more newcomer friendly dlc pack

[ancient marsh]

its never my intention to shit on people for having fun but this

larpification of focus trees has definitely been a net negative

[quasi shoal]

they have tutorials for most of them

[desert echo]

This never existed

[queen bronze]

yea
i am going to prolly because i have the last tier in a bit that will let me hopefully keep the range

[ancient marsh]

i see more focuses than ever but a lot of them kinda have less substance

[desert echo]

Just... Don't remind us the horror of GoE

[ancient marsh]

and winning as some countries against impossible odds feels less rewarding

[sage plover]

iran focus tree

afghan focus tree!

[quasi shoal]

and i'd say most of them besides BBA and NSB are pretty easy to learn

[ancient marsh]

austria is supposed to be hard

[sage plover]

IRAQ FOCUS TREE!!!

[desert echo]

ARGHH NOOO

NOOO

[ancient marsh]

i feel like it should take some time to get out of the great depression

[quasi shoal]

I mean you don't need the range unless you're paradropping

[sage plover]

https://tenor.com/view/12-gif-20151058

[craggy trail]

Graveyard of Empires wasn't too bad

[quasi shoal]

but from what I saw your navy can get the english channel

[simple vine]

oh i'll try that than see how it goes

[craggy trail]

What about Trial of Allegiance?

[desert echo]

Dies

[ancient marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/ohio-confusion-i-show-speed-ishowspeed-speed-ohio-gif-18271165267203003105

[queen bronze]

well. the range i did have was absolutely abysmal. so i want a tad more

[quasi shoal]

I've never played any of the country packs so I wouldn't know 💔

[ancient marsh]

Even if we

just ignore the abysmal patch

all of the focus trees were basically incomplete and buggy

[restive sable]

i love trial of alligence i dont get why there's so much dislike towards it

[ancient marsh]

and their content still doesnt hold up after the war effort patches

[sage plover]

dont diss india my beloved

[ancient marsh]

because they didnt even bother to go back and fix anything since its pdx

they slap a few bug fixes and then ignore it for the rest of time

[sage plover]

nuclear ghandi secret focus's make india S tier

[ancient marsh]

do you like any part of that tree except the eic path

[dusky burrow]

You also need like ~800 km of range, so make sure to keep that in mind

[quasi shoal]

@queen bronze

[sage plover]

yeah bruh, they legit have nuclear ghandi secret focus's

[ancient marsh]

okay do you like anything except the eic path and the 6 or 7 secret focuses

[sage plover]

and elephant cavalry was ontop

yes bruh, why are you digging so deep into someone just saying "I thought this focus tree was fun"

again you come across as just, really negative

[ancient marsh]

because we were discussing this

[craggy trail]

Mmm, I wouldn't know either

[sage plover]

i say i enjoy sumin, and your first instinct is to dig into it like a crime scene for daring to praise something you may not like]

[stark coyote]

Yes, my brain isnt brain'in anymore

[craggy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/my-little-pony-rex-mlp-ok-who-knows-gif-12173893

[ancient marsh]

im just genuinely asking you

[restive sable]

brazil has become one of my favorite nations to play honestly

[ancient marsh]

because personally, i dont think theres anything really fun there

[sage plover]

its how you come across

[sage plover]

we simply just have very different meanings of fun then ig

[ancient marsh]

if i come across as negative because im trying to explain my viewpoint in an argument that you wanted to talk about first

then you shouldnt be discussing it

its just an open discussion

[sage plover]

you come across as negative, for hyper analysing something from a simple thing i said, unrelated to the discussion

i think this all comes upto what you find fun though vs what i find fun however

so i think we should just end it here, since realistically we arnt getting anywhere

[ancient marsh]

i mean i agree with you

like

i dont think you understand that i do

[sage plover]

im sorry mate, but lets just end it

[ancient marsh]

but i think its not valuable saying and complaining about trees that just arent a wall of focuses or with a lot of slop content when there are bad trees

[sage plover]

ive yabbered enough on discord for one lifetime

[ancient marsh]

esepecially cause paradox will try to repackage content for france or britian or usa like they didnt already revisit them before just so they can drain your wallet even more

[ancient marsh]

alright 🤷 but my thoughts are why i hope no one is surprised when la resistance is the next free dlc lol

[quasi shoal]

67

[quasi shoal]

if I see ppl complaining about that shi istg

[ancient marsh]

it is a problem

paradox shouldnt tell me what my money is worth

it'd be ok if there was any compensation at all*

[quasi shoal]

I meant about why they chose la resistance

cuz it's obv a pattern

[ancient marsh]

after that point i dont see why they wont just make nsb free too lol

[supple summit]

Yo lads how good is having recon when attacking?

[quasi shoal]

they will

[quasi shoal]

pretty good

[ancient marsh]

and resell the russian democratic path that they just decided not to include

[quasi shoal]

rangers are better for bonuses tho

[ancient marsh]

even tho there's code that they planned to do it

[quasi shoal]

there's gonna be individual branch packs eventually

since there's alr country packs now with the czechs

[ancient marsh]

previous dlc owners should be rewarded with these for free imo

hell even a skin pack would be tolerable

[supple summit]

rn im just on my fifth save reload or whatever you wanna call it tryna deal with the shitty lack of supplies while fighting portugal

[ancient marsh]

but we'll keep feeding paradox's greed

cause dlc fomo is real

[quasi shoal]

portugal? 😭

[supple summit]

yes i went the path where you just fight with dudes to liberate places

idk

[quasi shoal]

i've just decided to not buy any of the focus packs

the ones with only a few countries

cuz most of them are out of the way, and they're like 15$

[quasi shoal]

who are you playing

[supple summit]

congo

[sage plover]

jee wilickers, i love playing japan and just ignoring all demands from my forces

"wah wah, you want more dockyards" too bad

[quasi shoal]

do them it's free buffs

[sage plover]

no.

they must suffer

i shall not placate them

just like with mussolini when im playing italy

[restive sable]

only true way to play japan

[quasi shoal]

💔

do you just like lose as japan

you can do some of them

[sage plover]

really loosing rn </3

[quasi shoal]

I meant italy mb

japan is pretty easy to win without them think

[sage plover]

nah bruh, you dont need em as italy

[supple summit]

fighting in africa is seriously mentally draining

not as bad as south america but still sad

[sage plover]

i dont stress myself tryna complete em

[restive sable]

africa really needs some form of touch up one of these days

[sage plover]

which part of ethiopia

[supple summit]

on god

[supple summit]

im the congo

[sage plover]

i mean

what part of africa*

sorry, its 6am </3

[supple summit]

jungle

fair

[queen bronze]

norway might be mine now too. nationalist spain randomally made headway in

[dusky burrow]

Yeah there's the worst terrain possible and no supply

Okay there aren't a lot of marsh tiles but still

[restive sable]

which path?

[supple summit]

no recourses too

[dusky burrow]

True

[supple summit]

Communist

[dusky burrow]

You're well advised to just stop at Khartoum

[restive sable]

its such a shame that its so neglected even though the north african theatre was one of the most important campaigns of the war

[supple summit]

laiwnskhdcoichasmncwa0sc

[dusky burrow]

North Africa is different

[restive sable]

i rarely pay attention to africa

[dusky burrow]

Like there's actually supply in North Africa

[restive sable]

when playing any campaign

[supple summit]

Only in egypt*

[restive sable]

suppose its better but its still not great

[sage plover]

libyan border with egypt

[quasi shoal]

not rly

[supple summit]

idk

[dusky burrow]

Oh yeah that's pretty bad

As well as the area between Tripolitania and Cyrenaica

But you're also right next door to so many different ports and airports

You can easily naval invade or paradrop

[restive sable]

really hope they do some form of touch up with africa eventually

[sage plover]

"ahh ill just send a small force to egypt, i doubt its that well defended"
they somehow get -100 guns from their weapon shipments

[sage plover]

idrk, because it does make sense why africa is such hell to fight in </3

annoying hell yeah, but reasonable hell

[restive sable]

suppose so but its a bit overkill if you ask me

[dusky burrow]

A good El Alamein is literally unbreachable

[sage plover]

fair

[restive sable]

and as a touch up i also just mean in general adding content there at some point

egypt at the very least

[dusky burrow]

Ah yeah do add content to Africa and at least Egypt

That much is true

[restive sable]

i think they could reasonably add morocco and tunisia as well

as french protectorates

[sage plover]

ngl the japan focus tree has been pretty fun so far

[supple summit]

i wanna close my eyes and pretend africa doesnt exist

[dusky burrow]

Yeah

[restive sable]

ive had a lot of fun with the democratic path

and the monarchist path

[sage plover]

ye, playing monarchist one rn

[dusky burrow]

Communist paths are also decent too

[restive sable]

havent tried it yet

[dusky burrow]

Just don't play the fascist path because yeah that was not fun

[restive sable]

tried it

was just kind of mid compared to the other two

[dusky burrow]

Very easy to brick yourself

[quasi shoal]

who???

[quasi shoal]

isn't fascist hist

[restive sable]

yes

it is

[quasi shoal]

I thought hist was fun

[dusky burrow]

Trust me it's not fun at all

[restive sable]

i find most of the historical paths in the game kind of bland

might just be me

[dusky burrow]

You can very accidentally lose all of your compliance and now you're stuck with huge amounts of resistance

[sage plover]

i enjoyed the no no germany path tbh

the reichskomisariets were waht drawed me 9in

[quasi shoal]

I don't find the newer ones bland

[quasi shoal]

I find those kinda boring so I usually don't make them

[restive sable]

same here

[dusky burrow]

world conquest as a reichskommissariat when

[sage plover]

idk what it is, but the idea of creating specalised puppets with specialised cores, and sort of re-making the world in your image is what appealed to me

[quasi shoal]

pretty sure it's been done

[dusky burrow]

Yeah probably

[quasi shoal]

mine never have cores?

or maybe they do and it's bugged

or i'm looking at the wrong places

[dusky burrow]

Well yeah reichskommissariats never have cores I believe

[restive sable]

some are fine, some just feel really lacking compared to alt-hist paths that you get

[restive sable]

yeah they dont

[quasi shoal]

we retook china from japan and now real china is stuck in one province lol

[dusky burrow]

reorganized government of china is also basically a reichskommissariat

Which is one of the pitfalls

[quasi shoal]

pretty sure it's classified as one

[dusky burrow]

Pitfall #2, make sure you go fascist before the war ends

Or otherwise the resistance thing I've mentioned earlier kicks off

[restive sable]

iirc arent fascist puppets always considered "reichskommissariats"?

[quasi shoal]

not always

I think all the focus ones are

some might be reichsprotectorates

[sage plover]

ykw, italy is peak hoi4

cant prove me wrong

[dusky burrow]

Yeah there's two concepts with the same name

[dusky burrow]

except for coal

[restive sable]

another one of my favorites

[quasi shoal]

peak until you're not playing it

[dusky burrow]

other than that italy's great

[dusky burrow]

yeah

[restive sable]

the coal issue really is annoying sometimes

[sage plover]

:(

[sage plover]

oi

oi

no

dont diss mussolini

mussolini is peak whenever i play

[quasi shoal]

whenever you play

[sage plover]

idk how its so different

[quasi shoal]

ai italy is worse than someone with like 50 hours tbh

[sage plover]

everyone i talk to says how italy instantly dies

whenever i play, italy takes all of egypt, the levant, and is the only reason i can land in the UK

IDK why

IDK how

i never help em

[restive sable]

almost everytime i play an alt-hist game italy always declares on yugo then gets into a war with france and the little entente and dies

[quasi shoal]

is it possible to get 0% sub visibility?

[dusky burrow]

the tutorial actively makes you worse

[sage plover]

but italy is the goat whenever i play

[quasi shoal]

or does that just do nothing

[dusky burrow]

and ethiopia will kill you if you do it

[quasi shoal]

I geniunely didn't understand any of it so I just didn't

[dusky burrow]

apparently

[sage plover]

imagine watching the tutorial, just smack your head into the wall untill it works

[quasi shoal]

I got in a stalemate against them where I kept taking their stuff and then they would take my stuff

I didn't have bba tho so that might've changed

[sage plover]

in all fairness, i had experience with strat games before, played alotta Rise of nations

ofc that doesnt mean much, but i think it helped abit </3

[quasi shoal]

I had no experience my first time which was like 4 years ago

[dusky burrow]

that might actually work better

[quasi shoal]

and then like a year ago I had a similar experience has before but my only experience was a random ass rts game

similar to red alert 2 I think

[restive sable]

the one on roblox?

[sage plover]

ye

[restive sable]

first strat games i played were that, aoh2 and dummynation

[restive sable]

peak

[sage plover]

it is pretty peak

[restive sable]

i still like playing it occasionally

pretty fun

[sage plover]

i play it when i want a full random ahh experience

[uncut wraith]

dude the postwar allies are so infuriating to deal with

[sage plover]

with hoi4 your given a big maze, with multiple ways to find the exit. with RON your given a big field with food at the end

[restive sable]

average ron game is always a fever dream after a good hour or two

[uncut wraith]

its just naval invasion after naval invasion after naval invasion

[quasi shoal]

are heavy bomb locks the best for cas

[sage plover]

switzerland

</3

[uncut wraith]

you would think after losing like 200k men 5 times in a row they would stop and their stability and war support would tank but no

[sage plover]

switzerland either doesnt expand, but is a player till 2080, or kills everyone

[dusky burrow]

mechwall

[restive sable]

i find both of these scenarios funny

lore accurate switzerland

[sage plover]

germany raging cuz swiss artillery just killed 5m tanks

[dusky burrow]

pov they have like 10 million men

[restive sable]

germany players are genuinely so infuriating

[sage plover]

germany when they cant tank spam D:

[restive sable]

germany when their effortless tank spam is countered

[quasi shoal]

im broke 💔

[dusky burrow]

sell some convoys ig

[quasi shoal]

the soviets are in my faction rn tho

[dusky burrow]

also mines help too

[quasi shoal]

and I don't want them to buy them

[sage plover]

im pretty sure if we keep talking about RON here, the mods will assasinate us

[restive sable]

fair point

[queen bronze]

@quasi shoal i forgot to check what inf div i should do.
i have just basic.

[quasi shoal]

either 36 width, or if you're broke the basic is fine

[dusky burrow]

where aa

[quasi shoal]

maybe recon rangers

[quasi shoal]

they don't have air fighting them rn I don't think

so I don't think they need aa

(also they have none)

[dusky burrow]

still good if you do face enemy air or tanks

[quasi shoal]

oh yeah @queen bronze prolly get some for soviets

cuz they def have tons of both

[queen bronze]

ok AA i shall add

gucci?

[quasi shoal]

wait

do you have enough inf

equipment

cuz you were broke last I checked

[queen bronze]

i have plenty

[quasi shoal]

hover over the infantry equipment thing on the right

[dusky burrow]

They definitely should

It's 1947

[sage plover]

im so excited to try make a pc

and find out every single part

is going to ai

[quasi shoal]

they were completely broke last I checked tho

[sage plover]

😭

[restive sable]

screenshot from a game i played 2 days ago

got way farther but somehow ended up having all of the world declare on me and i lost my mind 💔💔

[sage plover]

ngl, saw that and thought "Italy"

[quasi shoal]

go back to the division designer, put in the 36 width, and hover over the infantry equipment thing on the right of the stats area (beige)

[sage plover]

green = italy in my mind

[restive sable]

color is really similar

[dusky burrow]

rip, only 55 factories

[restive sable]

pretty unfortunate

those numbers were way up few years later but i gave up on the game

[queen bronze]

1850

[sage plover]

https://tenor.com/view/stingy-dont-wanna-share-mickey-mouse-piece-of-the-pie-donald-duck-gif-15479558

india be like

[restive sable]

every possible border just became a frontline 💔

[sage plover]

have you tried the soviet tactic?

[restive sable]

only redeeming factor is the manpower

[quasi shoal]

no hover over it

[restive sable]

throwing men at the enemy?

[quasi shoal]

it'll tell you how much you need

[restive sable]

yes

got absolutely nowhere

[sage plover]

have you tried

more men?

[dusky burrow]

I think you should be able to get more than 55 factories

[sage plover]

did you know, if you chuck enough men into a river, they eventually form a bridge

take note

[quasi shoal]

russia

china was gonna blow the yellow river then do that

[restive sable]

gun deficit would become such a nightmare 💔

[quasi shoal]

more guns

more men

[sage plover]

who needs guns?

[dusky burrow]

true men need infantry equipment

[sage plover]

bare fists

[quasi shoal]

more guns and more men only

[quasi shoal]

shovels

[restive sable]

the lion does not concern himself with supplying their troops

[sage plover]

dirt.

[sage plover]

they were given fists for a reason

they must use them

[dusky burrow]

Or guys

[restive sable]

worst comes to worst they still have legs

[dusky burrow]

You can just be the British and naval invade the entire Chinese coast

That's probably better

[sage plover]

screw navy, they swim.

[sage cipher]

the duce strikes back

[sage plover]

who needs boats when they can just swim at a rapid pace towards the chineese coast

[dusky burrow]

china has a lot of small boats

enough to do something like this

[sage plover]

have you considered, swimming faster then them?

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-338783462287106063

[dusky burrow]

storm be like

[restive sable]

naval invasion is probably the second most british thing ever

[sage plover]

japan for their entire history be like

"china's invading!!! oh nice, a conveniently placed typhoon"

[dusky burrow]

what's first

[restive sable]

probably tea

might be tied with naval invasions though

[quasi shoal]

guarantees

[restive sable]

or that

[sage plover]

as a brit, the list is simple

[dusky burrow]

fair

[sage plover]

1: tea
2: colonisation
3: hatred
4: naval invasion
5: selling opium to the chineese

[restive sable]

how britain feels after guarenteeing a random minor nation no one has ever heard of just to make your life that much harder:

[sage plover]

2 and 3 are tied

[restive sable]

i find the opium trait or whatever its called that generals can get so funny

best trait ever

[quasi shoal]

are heavy bombs the best for cas if I can afford researching them?

[sage plover]

ykw

i could use a cuppa rn actually

[quasi shoal]

I'd make tea but it's almost midnight

[restive sable]

had some earlier today

greatest beverage ever

[queen bronze]

what div template for paratroopers?

[dusky burrow]

something like this

[queen bronze]

thx

[kind vale]

Quite a bit

[dusky burrow]

Yeah

You are going to fight "quite a bit" if you land in the UK or Malta for instance

[kind vale]

Eh ive always used the base template just to grab a port

[dusky burrow]

Well they could just leave those places open and then yeah

Whoops

[kind vale]

I dont even need to fight the uk

[dusky burrow]

It's either this or you capitulate them with 1/0s

[quasi shoal]

not in 47 lol

[dusky burrow]

Also that

That's only a viable strategy in like 1938, 1939 by the latest

because otherwise the british army will be too large

[quasi shoal]

maybe 1940 if you're lucky and you can overstretch them

[dusky burrow]

Maybe

But unlikely

[quasi shoal]

i've had it happen but the uk was not playing well that game

and I think I capped the soviets by then

and us hadn't joined iirc

[kind vale]

24 marine divisions will beat the entire german army

[quasi shoal]

24 good ones

[dusky burrow]

They won't, but they will seriously hurt it

The German army is like 500 divisions

[kind vale]

24 player made divisions vs the ai ones.... yeah 24 is plenty

[dusky burrow]

You can seriously overextend if you're not careful

[kind vale]

Wilhelm is dead

He got cooked

Poor kaiser

[quasi shoal]

late game it is

just rush them ✌️

[queen bronze]

so this says 10 divs
is that because most need reinforced or is that cause it can only do 10

[umbral agate]

what general do i grind as sov

[dusky burrow]

don't send them all into one tile make sure to right click at least 3 tiles for every 10 divs

that said, probably because yo ucan only do 10

But you can make another order

[fickle thicket]

at that point js wait until u get nukes

[quasi shoal]

you can make many orders

[kind vale]

This game is annoying

Died to Czechoslovakia poland and Yugoslavia as germany

[kind vale]

Should I be making medium or heavy spg

[quasi shoal]

against ai? prolly medium

heavy is better but more expensive

medium is good enough

[kind vale]

Alright

I had 1 medium spg division in my last game

[quasi shoal]

DAMN

when did you go to war

[kind vale]

1939

Didn't make the spg until 1938 tho

[quasi shoal]

uhhh

maybe rush quicker

[quasi shoal]

and you still only got one division?

I can get like 4 by then

at least and I suck

[quasi shoal]

starting from 38 and going to 39 I mean

[kind vale]

I had 5 factories on em

[quasi shoal]

oh that's why

[prisma zealot]

fellas should i get götterdammerung

[kind vale]

Yes

[quasi shoal]

it's sort of fun

[prisma zealot]

i already have la résistance and no step back

[quasi shoal]

but really expensive

[quasi shoal]

get by blood alone first imo

[prisma zealot]

basically what does it improve ?

[quasi shoal]

and then arms against tyranny

[quasi shoal]

not much lol

[kind vale]

Attempt 3 at monarch germany

[prisma zealot]

im absolute trash at designing planes 🥀

[quasi shoal]

these

[quasi shoal]

planes are like the easiest to make

[kind vale]

Belgium is fun

[quasi shoal]

never tried it

[prisma zealot]

well for some reason mine are trash af lol

[kind vale]

You should

[quasi shoal]

you just need a ton of guns

and air defense on fighters

[viscid stirrup]

bagration

[quasi shoal]

and range on most

[kind vale]

The socialist victory alt history path is good

[prisma zealot]

well alright

and whats good about AAT ?

[quasi shoal]

MIOs and international market

[prisma zealot]

because playing norway doesnt look so much fun 😬

[quasi shoal]

and the focuses are pretty fun

[prisma zealot]

what are mio ?

[quasi shoal]

nvr really tried norway indepth, but ik sweden and finland are fun

[quasi shoal]

military industrial organizations

[prisma zealot]

aaah

[quasi shoal]

they give small buffs and you gain points from researching

[prisma zealot]

yea i see

[quasi shoal]

choosing the right ones and how to get them and where to use them is fun

[prisma zealot]

alr

i'll get BBA

• its only 12 euros

thx for your feedback bro

[kind vale]

What template for the medium spg should I use?

[quasi shoal]

read pins of ask help here

[kind vale]

Alr

I lack a few things to make it😭

[quasi shoal]

there should be a country where it gets a bonus that makes divisions no longer retreat when fighting on core territory, so they fight til they're out of strength and they explode

[kind vale]

Switzerland should get that

[quasi shoal]

but if switzerland got it then it would just get insta obliterated cuz they usually only have their cores

I mean smth that gets a fair amount of non core pop but has a small country

maybe it could be a switzerland path or smth actually

[kind vale]

Switzerland is a op nation

Very strong

10% mp

[lavish cliff]

winning at 9 bubble value

[queen bronze]

bruh wtf. how is romania absolutely DESTROYING germany

[honest night]

Just last stand

[dusky burrow]

Yeah they may de-org soon

[sudden grotto]

You are doing the hel achievement ?

[lavish cliff]

still holding

[lavish cliff]

I already got it, but I still play 1939 poland for fun

[sudden grotto]

Oh noice

Poland enjoyer

[lavish cliff]

stronger than france imo

[sudden grotto]

Fr

[junior imp]

THIP 🗣️ 🔥

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-squid-game-2-cheers-happy-excited-gif-13406404385856133045

[cosmic jay]

mod is more states and better states or somethjing like that idfk

but it has poland with 600 million states as the picture

[devout trench]

Building a factory really means building a factory

[oak mantle]

they can get to like 25% buffs if u have the right mio and country

which is quite important

[quasi shoal]

I meant small like each individual thing

they are important when all combined together

[desert echo]

Tf lmao

[knotty vortex]

how do i invade the uk?

and how do i learn the best way to play individual countries

[desert echo]

Individual countries?

What is that

Like minor nations?

[knotty vortex]

like i wanna learn the best way to play germany

[desert echo]

Uruguay for example

[desert echo]

Ooh

[knotty vortex]

or i wanna learn the best way to play the UK

they're all different

[desert echo]

Hmmm but do you want to learn about navy first

[dusky plover]

хто піде в хойку

[desert echo]

Since both UK and GER needs navy

[knotty vortex]

navy

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-thousand-yard-stare-stare-tiktok-wtf-gif-12206044702998985154

[desert echo]

Dw

We learn the basic

You can add me as friend and dm me

I'll try to help as much as I could

[knotty vortex]

you wanna hop in a help channel?

i can screenshare

[desert echo]

Yes, but I can't talk (I'm on a bus rn)

[knotty vortex]

ive just started a new germany save

okay thats fine we can msg

[desert echo]

Kk

[knotty vortex]

but you can still see my screen

[desert echo]

Yes

[desert echo]

I also can't hear

Maybe msg that

[knotty vortex]

ahh okay

which chief do i take

[desert echo]

Hmmm

Lemme see

Can I see your army training?

It depends actually

[knotty vortex]

lol i have none training

[desert echo]

Is this still 1936

[knotty vortex]

yes

may

[desert echo]

I'd suggest for political advisor

Instead of chief

[knotty vortex]

okay ill save pp

[desert echo]

Kk

[knotty vortex]

im gonna wait for artillery research

to make tanks

cause i want med howizer

[desert echo]

You might want to focus on researching your subs and cruiser

For later

Basic subs and basic light cruiser

[knotty vortex]

what focus should i do

[desert echo]

Lemme see

[knotty vortex]

ive been doing the military production ones rn

[desert echo]

Have you done the inner circle?

[knotty vortex]

not yet

todt

[desert echo]

I'd go for economy first

[knotty vortex]

who does that

[desert echo]

Because MEFO bill is gonna be a pain later, economy comes first

[knotty vortex]

goring?

[desert echo]

No no

The economy tree

[knotty vortex]

ohh

autarky efforts?

[desert echo]

Yes

[knotty vortex]

okay

[desert echo]

Also build trains

[knotty vortex]

should we make an inf division

[knotty vortex]

i am

[desert echo]

Sure

[knotty vortex]

need 12, 76 in stockpile

[desert echo]

Just put one mil factory for that

[knotty vortex]

ive got 2 rn

okay what troop div should we use

[desert echo]

Do you still go with the standard of 3x3 and art support, eng, and AA support?

I have my own design

[knotty vortex]

i usually do 4 x 2 inf then 2 line artillery

but i wanna make a tank division too

[desert echo]

Hmmm, I go with 4x2, signal comp, AA support, and AT support

I think that's for Afrika korps or Europe theater I forgor

[knotty vortex]

i mean yours are most likely better than mine

so we can use yours

[desert echo]

Not really, a lot use f hospital

[knotty vortex]

i use those

i already researched them

[desert echo]

Ooh

Prolly signal comp, f hospital, AA support, art support, and logistic

If you want to full it

[modest grail]

heart of iron

[knotty vortex]

i can add logi once its researched

look good?

[desert echo]

Yeah sure, maybe go with 3x3 since you're using Ger

And European war mostly fought not in a hard terrain

Like desert, mountains etc

[molten forge]

any good truck + infantry template

[knotty vortex]

oh okay

better?

[desert echo]

That should be good

[knotty vortex]

awesome

should i start training more

[desert echo]

Yes, probably 10 at once

And when in war, probably 5 for reinforcement

[knotty vortex]

okay

who do i get

[desert echo]

Can you check funk

What do you need to get him

[molten forge]

is it bad i wanna try this

[knotty vortex]

its cause of my other adviser

[desert echo]

So you can't funk

[knotty vortex]

not yet

i need to remove mefo bills

[desert echo]

Because of that MEFO bill advisor?

[knotty vortex]

for my other adviser to go

[desert echo]

Ooh

[knotty vortex]

yeah

[desert echo]

Check the one for labor

[molten forge]

sorry to intrerupt but,

[molten forge]

.

[desert echo]

Yeah you wanna get that

[knotty vortex]

do i do this

im never sure

[desert echo]

What nation is this

Swiss?

[desert echo]

Accept

[desert echo]

Also are you planning to get support

[knotty vortex]

do i send volunteers to spain

[desert echo]

Yes absolutely

For experience

[inner iron]

Having no support companies is brave

Especially no support rangers

[molten forge]

ima get support as well then

[desert echo]

I'd go with recon along with that

[inner iron]

Already mentioned that

Recon rangers boosts line artillery in the doctrine

[knotty vortex]

okay

[desert echo]

We don't know what doctrine he picked tho

I hope it's superior firepower

[knotty vortex]

do i just leave an offensive line and let the troops do whatever

until the war ends

[desert echo]

Um

What's the max volunteer you can send?

[knotty vortex]

2

very small