hoi4-general

[trail beacon]

this is a genuine point.

[azure palm]

Should I play Sweden King path or UK Imperial Federation?

[trail beacon]

last night i was playing the Empire WC and it's always fun

(fascist UK imperial fed)

[strong umbra]

you should play bolivarion alliance

[inner iron]

Yesterday I did naval Soviets and killed the USA

[strong umbra]

which is the real holy romance empire Victoria Germany or pope Roman empire?

[vague abyss]

took back nanjing

[inner iron]

The new patch actually made me more motivated to build a fleet because the AI is genuinely peak stupidity in navy

[trail beacon]

does the pope profile pic change if you form rome?

[strong umbra]

nope

only the color

[trail beacon]

sadge

[azure palm]

Pope Roman Empire. Its holy, roman and an empire.

[strong umbra]

turns from white to red

[trail beacon]

like the vestments change?

oh the colour of the coutnry

[strong umbra]

but what about literally being called the holy romance empire

roman

[trail beacon]

Vicky III HRE is one of my fav countries

🥰

[inner iron]

Eu4 hre is hell on earth

[trail beacon]

I just wish Vicky's default pfp was better

[inner iron]

You take one province too much and you get bangganged

[strong umbra]

best pic has to be Freeman Freeman thomas

actually no

I change my mind

DANISH SANTA!!!🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[inner iron]

Nah Swedish pirate king

[strong umbra]

cant deny that

#R.I.P. old hirohito portrait

[inner iron]

Nah rip old mao when he was bald

[strong umbra]

we should have an option to use his old portrait

[strong umbra]

*receding hairline

not completely bald

[inner iron]

Same shite, different smell

[analog ivy]

holy. ISP has got to have the most consistent viewers i've ever seen a youtuber have. every video has not went under 100k views

and its been like that for like 2 years

[inner iron]

I've watched isp since 2016

[analog ivy]

wow he still has the same views ever since he started lol

[strong umbra]

is 75 width towed anti air a good division for breakthrough?

[analog ivy]

he had to have deleted some old vids theres no way he just gets all those views that fast

this was way before youtube shorts

he definitely played a big part in making hoi4 popular

[inner iron]

As he explained back then, every other hoi4 youtuber was dry and boring, he came there to shitpost and emphasize how cringe everyone else were

And somehow that popped off

[strong umbra]

bittersteel

[inner iron]

Yea the tryhard type

[strong umbra]

so u saying he's bad or not?

because I dont find him bad

[inner iron]

He's boring

[strong umbra]

not rly

for me atleast

[inner iron]

Half the time I fall asleep to him explaining stuff

So I haven't bothered watching

[strong umbra]

isb just skips so much gameplay

and he keeps saying my gravy timothies

why?

how is that fun?

I mean i dont hate isp

but still

if i watch hoi4 im trying to achieve smtj

[inner iron]

I haven't noticed him skipping any crucial parts of gameplay

[strong umbra]

if not then ima watch other things

[inner iron]

He shows his designs and that's all I need to know

[strong umbra]

bittersteel gets the job done

may not get it done the fastest or most efficient

but its easily followable

and clear

[inner iron]

Bittersteel is your cup of tea but not my cup of tea

There, that's all

[strong umbra]

and I dont have to listen to a very thick Russian accent (no offense to russian) that keeps skipping articles

[strong umbra]

👍🏿

[inner iron]

Half troll content is my cup of tea

Isp and bokoen pretty much fills that segment

[unkempt zodiac]

guys HELP why is the uk ACTUALLy defending wtf

[strong umbra]

defend

[inner iron]

Did you kick them out of their colonies

[strong umbra]

then counterattack

[unkempt zodiac]

no

[strong umbra]

then reinforce meme them

[merry sluice]

is it normal for the german reich to fumble this hard?

[unkempt zodiac]

only a few months until the us joins

[strong umbra]

yes

[strong umbra]

no

I meant

no

go help them

[inner iron]

Germans get loads of equipment from annexing austria and the czechs

You screwed them over

[strong umbra]

fair

but they also have a decent industrial base themselves

certainly stronger than poland

[trim pike]

@real sable dont try that

[strong umbra]

withh their 40 factories

[fringe shell]

wtf happened here

[strong umbra]

what has he done?

[strong umbra]

civil war

peasant war

[fringe shell]

nah

[strong umbra]

peasant uprising

[fringe shell]

one of them is italy pupets

[strong umbra]

did Poland do agrarian reform?

[fringe shell]

and rest is somehow released

[strong umbra]

I think one of puppeteer and other one is independent

[pale flare]

I want to kill norway but theyre guranteed by the nations down south which are in a massive faction with the majors being poland, belgium (somehow), uk, us, canada, brazil, spain pretty much the whole western hemisphere, i dont think ill be able to win the war but sure as hell can get into a stalemate. 0 chance that a naval invasion against me will occur, easter flank should be fine with my puppet + russia being neutral with the only point of entry against me being jutland but i should be fine

the whole of asia is fighting against this faction too where theyre locked in a stalemate

aside from fixing my manpower (its pretty much maxed out for peacetime), what do yall think i should do?

[merry sluice]

poland is eating em up

[analog ivy]

i hate the old tab button designs so much im so glad they changed it like 5 years ago

they look disgusting and old

[inner iron]

You can make a russian template and train divs with their manpower

Just make sure they're integrated puppet so you get the most out of them

[pale flare]

yeah i can do that, been lend leasing my old stuff for a while

so my best course of action is to train divisions using my puppet's manpower -> wage war -> take norway -> stalemate until the japanese (hopefully) win in their stalemate -> hope for the best afterwards

[inner iron]

The japanese will run out of steam when their navy dies

Otherwise they can keep going forever

[pale flare]

theyve eaten up or made all of asia their puppet lmao its kinda funky

[inner iron]

And they're sitting on India's manpower

Yea I wouldn't be worried about the allies that much then

The only bad thing is allies still holding all the rubber

If Japan took it early, the allies would have half of their factories building planes but 0 rubber

They're that touched in the head

[vague lion]

@rigid quail i've been reporting people breaking rules for years... way before tom

So

Stopthe bullshitting

[fringe shell]

bro i just wanted turkey

[pale flare]

alright thanks

ill prob try to gamble and puppet the rest of russia too, if they get guranteed by others then it is what it is and if i sucessfully wage war then yipee

[rigid quail]

so your a lap dog

[pale flare]

gonna stock up on more planes first just in case

[rigid quail]

a snitch

and a dum ass

[vague lion]

No. I enjoy helping the underactive mod team

[inner iron]

You can stock up on nav's and use japanese air bases to blow up their subs

[vague lion]

I understand that people, especially mods, have a life

[inner iron]

The allies like to have 50-100 subs near Japan

[rigid quail]

so you gave up on having a life?

[azure palm]

Just rememberd the time I played Holy Roman Empire with only Heavy and Super Heavy Ships as my navy... I suffer alone from thinking about it

[pale flare]

aight thanks

ill gamble and take russia first then focus on building up my ground army

[strong umbra]

holy wtf did you do

[sick knot]

hi guys i'm kinda new at hoi4

[inner iron]

They all came for greek debt

[pale flare]

have fun

[sick knot]

i have about the same amount

[inner iron]

Russia usually joins allies but they would be exposed to Japan so in both ways, it's good

[sick knot]

hold on wdym 106 hours in two weeks tho 😭

[inner iron]

Having Japan fight in Europe is good

[fringe shell]

bro i just declared war on turkey romania joined czech enetente italy for sum reason joined too then turkey joined midle east treaty org and them everything went down

[strong umbra]

thats nothing

i have 750 hours and thats barely scarping the surface

[inner iron]

120 hours

[vague lion]

No. It takes just a few minutes to help. So i do

[sick knot]

from what i've heard this is one of the games where you need LOTS of time to learn stuff

[pale flare]

alright thanks, theyre pretty weak anyway so should be a quick conquest

[umbral agate]

what is this mega faction

[pale flare]

(famous last words)

[sick knot]

5k hours is js crazy

[strong umbra]

best country name has to be realm of the great god of light

[vague lion]

#alt-history-multiplayer message
@worthy swan if you played for 1 week. How can you understand the difference between a good and bad mod?

In this case your word weights even less

[strong umbra]

agreed

atleast 2khours+

[sick knot]

i'm not even able to understand naval invasions yet 😭

[strong umbra]

to judge a mod

[strong umbra]

three click and were done

[sick knot]

idk every time i try to naval invade i end up messing smth up

[vague lion]

Thanks

[sick knot]

probably the only times when i'm frustrated

[strong umbra]

try paratroopers

if ur invading uk

as germany

its easier than navh

[sick knot]

yea

[strong umbra]

arguably

[sick knot]

alright but i'll still need to learn paratrooping tho

[strong umbra]

those things arent hard

[sick knot]

also does paratrooping work with normal armies?

[strong umbra]

just watch a guide

[inner iron]

Latvia-Belarus*

[strong umbra]

nah realm of the great god of light is still better

[inner iron]

Nah the real og is thunder dragon empire

[strong umbra]

no og is emu empire

[eternal palm]

nah. Only paratrooper special forces can paradrop. U need 50 transport planes per division, no matter the size, deploy them to an airport, move your paratroopers to the same tile, draw the plan and have 75% air supremacy in every zone the plan passes through

[strong umbra]

70*

[eternal palm]

Since when?

[strong umbra]

idk

[eternal palm]

maybe check first 💀

[sick knot]

ighttt tysm

[strong umbra]

see

[eternal palm]

😭

Maybe check in game?

Like bruh

[strong umbra]

I did

[eternal palm]

Then fking show me

Not the fking AI answer

[strong umbra]

i just used paratroopers broski

im not in game rn broski

[eternal palm]

Skill issue

[sick knot]

chatgpt has been helping me with hoi4 this whole time ❤️

[strong umbra]

skill issue?

skill issue?

[eternal palm]

😭

[strong umbra]

i were wrong buddy

@ripe slate I could use some of your wiseness

is it 70 or 75?

[eternal palm]

Even if it was it dont matter 😭

Its so small

[strong umbra]

Just admit your wrong broski

[eternal palm]

😭

Wdym

Is your pride staked on this?

kek

[strong umbra]

no

[eternal palm]

Then why do u care

Its 5%

[strong umbra]

but u are telling new players false info

[eternal palm]

The rest of what I said is correct

u havent shown me proof still

[eternal palm]

Bro didnt show any evidence 😭

[strong umbra]

yes I did

[eternal palm]

Except AI answer which is most likely wrong

Thats not how that works

Ai is so full of shit

thats like saying you yourself is the source

wouldnt make a difference

[strong umbra]

now happy?

listen just admit your wrong

[eternal palm]

Reddit post from 2 years ago 😭

[strong umbra]

omg

[eternal palm]

remember those are the same people that think reliablity is combat modifier

[strong umbra]

this is just pure ragebait

[eternal palm]

Show me the tooltip in game

otherwise I will not believe you

[eternal palm]

Ragebait successful disengage

[ripe slate]

What is?

[eternal palm]

Bro is actually getting mad at this

[strong umbra]

air supremacy

for paratroopers

i say 70

hey says 75

[ripe slate]

Ah its in the game files, lets see

70

[strong umbra]

see

now happy?

@eternal palm

[eternal palm]

See this is what I wanted

Alr cool

they reduced it then

[strong umbra]

thx

[strong umbra]

buddy

[eternal palm]

But bro had to act up about it 😭

[strong umbra]

more than 2y ago then

cuz the post was 2 y ago

do u live under a rock or what?

[eternal palm]

Idk, last info I had was 75%, I didnt bother to check

I dont use paratroopers

If you hadnt come at me with that energy I might have responded differently

but no

u had to act up

[strong umbra]

ur the one being wise abt them

not me

[eternal palm]

u couldve said the same thing

[strong umbra]

im giving new players true informations

[eternal palm]

why bother correcting me

[eternal palm]

u didnt bother to explain it 😭

u said watch a guide mf

[strong umbra]

what is there to explain on

its a simple fact

[strong umbra]

yes

thats better

[eternal palm]

https://tenor.com/view/2-blocked-messages-discord-saul-goodman-better-call-saul-meme-gif-4482802462778253475

[strong umbra]

than reading ur essay

[cobalt flame]

Will hoi have Christmas discounts?

for DLC

[strong umbra]

just buy the subscription tbh

cheaper than buying them individually

[cobalt flame]

naah dont want them all

just base ones to template tanks and aircraft

[strong umbra]

y can disable them

[strong umbra]

that no step back

and by blood alone

[cobalt flame]

maybe the one that gives u the chance to sell old equip too

[trim pike]

@sick knot dont say that

[cobalt flame]

seems cool

[strong umbra]

arms against tyranny

[mellow jetty]

Kriegsmarine!

[cobalt flame]

naval is sexy ngl if something is underrated as a killing machine thats naval

[sick knot]

sry bro i wasn't aware 😭 i promise i won't again

[mellow jetty]

boat on boat action

https://tenor.com/view/bismarck-azur-lane-iron-lood-gif-1565736192170764999

[trim pike]

Do u have the game files ready lol

[solar tundra]

Croatia now occupies danzig

[ripe slate]

I got shortcuts to the game folder cuz I modify it pretty often ^^

[hushed loom]

anyone wanna help me do no one dies for his country?

[strong umbra]

the Germany capitulate France 1939 one?

[hushed loom]

yes

[strong umbra]

PARATROOPERS

[strong umbra]

paratroopers france

Poland idk

[hushed loom]

Can u help vro

🙏

pls

[strong umbra]

thats as far as I can get tbh

im not that good

only 750 hours

[hushed loom]

me neither

[strong umbra]

ok I mean i did cap France uk Yugoslavia Romania and cze as Italy by 1939 dec

[hushed loom]

i wanna do a funny and make this MY ONLY achivement

the hardest my only

[strong umbra]

trial of allegiance world conquest is harder tbh

all of their achievements is basically world conquest

[hushed loom]

i barely know how to play lmao

[strong umbra]

play for 200 hours

then try to get this

[hushed loom]

i play the great war redux

mostly

[fringe shell]

ahh yes uk joined the war they are losing to turkey and iraq and they got half of the war participation

[strong umbra]

they most likely got lots from naval activity

[snow rain]

it's 50, literally written on the order when you hover over it

[strong umbra]

it says 70 in the game file

scroll up

[strong umbra]

where did u get 50 from?

not even close

[trim pike]

Naval invasion

But yes its 70

[strong umbra]

oh

[strong umbra]

unironnically isnt it 67?

[meager valley]

Yo why is occupation like 10x more expensive now

[strong umbra]

which law and template

[meager valley]

Same as before, local police with cav garrison. Yet takes way more guns and has worse resistance now

[strong umbra]

mp? or not

[meager valley]

SP, I don’t play that MP dogshit

[strong umbra]

idk

weird

[meager valley]

Swear to god it’s worse now

Like randomly went into a 60k gun deficit to occupation as Germany even though garrisons were fully supplied initially

[strong umbra]

high resistance maybe?

or exiled country used desperate defense or smth like that

or guerilla warfare

[meager valley]

Nah like it was 0 when I started occupation then randomly shot up to like 65% despite being fully supplied

Must be the new doctrines yeah

[daring geyser]

the best occupation law has always been civillian administration 😭

[strong umbra]

no?

[daring geyser]

yes

[strong umbra]

local is best

maybe secret

[daring geyser]

nope it's not

it doesnt build enough compliance

[strong umbra]

harsh quotas or the extra resources one if u rly need it

[daring geyser]

unless you mean local autonomy

[strong umbra]

but thats it

[strong umbra]

no

[daring geyser]

you will only use those laws if you dont expect to have it for a long time

[meager valley]

It may build compliance faster but has worse resistance

[strong umbra]

local police force

it depends tho

[meager valley]

-50% resistance from Local is very strong

[strong umbra]

Germany def local popo

[daring geyser]

you only want that if resistance is legitimately a problem, if you're getting a shitton of factories damaged by resistance or if the territory is nearly declaring independence

[strong umbra]

but like uk ig autonomy is fine

[daring geyser]

otherwise there is NO reason not to use civillian

[meager valley]

Or if you occupy all of Europe and are waging a massive war which you need guns elsewhere

[strong umbra]

id rather have 0 resistance than 15 resistancr

[daring geyser]

no?? then you're gonna destroy all of your collabs lol

[strong umbra]

wdym?

[daring geyser]

germany optimally should have collabs on a shitton of nations

[strong umbra]

I collab lvl3

[meager valley]

IMO doctrines shouldn’t impact resistance

[strong umbra]

they keep their cores

[daring geyser]

your compliance goes down if you use that

[strong umbra]

only frnace and sov

[daring geyser]

no

[strong umbra]

lvl 3

[meager valley]

Yo France is busted now with doctrine rework

[strong umbra]

could get more

but isnt necessary

[daring geyser]

germany should have collabs not just on france or soviets but it is actually a gain if you have collabs on poland/bel etc

[meager valley]

It’s Max planning legit shreds countries

[daring geyser]

it absolutely is

[strong umbra]

I meant lvl 3

[daring geyser]

hop on a historical mp match and do only france or sov collabs and see where that gets you

[strong umbra]

as in full collab gvt

[daring geyser]

even level 3

[strong umbra]

retaining their cores

[normal galleon]

which kaiserreich chinese warlord is easiest to play? kinda looking to have some fun not grind for 8 hours

[daring geyser]

you need lvl 3 on france and more collabs on other european nations

else your eco is dogshit

like 2 or 1 on poland, one on belgium, maybe czech and def norway

[strong umbra]

no

[daring geyser]

there is a reason MP germanies spy micro is important

[daring geyser]

YES

dude

[strong umbra]

I got 3 on frnac nothing else

[daring geyser]

i play historical mp for years

[strong umbra]

have more cokuards than uk and usa combined

[daring geyser]

cuz its the ai

if you have less eco than the ai uninstall

[daring geyser]

if a germany only does collabs on france or soviets they are going to get cooked

[strong umbra]

I find it to be unnecessary to get more on other countries

[daring geyser]

there is a reason every multiplayer germany does more collabs than only those nations

[daring geyser]

it might be unnecessary to beat the ai but it doesn't make it not meta

[strong umbra]

I dont play mp

[safe wing]

I only play single player

[meager valley]

Ima just let tac use Civ admin on everything and I’ll keep using the meta local

[meager valley]

Fr, MP is legit cheeks

[strong umbra]

idk might not be most optimal but is more fun

id rather micro than click a few buttons

[safe wing]

Its an extremist shouting match

[meager valley]

It’s just clash of clans meta but in a map game

[daring geyser]

tell me 1 reason as to why getting actual compliance is bad and barely ever getting compliance is good

like legitimately you only dont use civillian administration if you actively have problems with resistance

[versed rapids]

As Germany in a 1939 start, occupy all of Poland and France without taking more than 475 casualties.

[daring geyser]

if youre not getting like half of your eco cooked by resistance then there is 0 reason not to use it

[versed rapids]

how is this possible

[strong umbra]

things can be said about harsh quotas

[meager valley]

Yeah, and current doctrines effect resistance way more than before 😂

Now more than ever should Local be used

[daring geyser]

and?

paradox can like make resistance slightly stronger, compliance is still busted

only if they make civillian administration give you -1 million equipment then it will stop being meta

if you enjoy having 0 compliance the whole game then use local police force

but it's not what you should do 😭

[heavy vigil]

tac

[strong umbra]

buddy it aint that bug of a deal

[meager valley]

Do you not understand how compliance accumulates or???

[strong umbra]

my playthroughs arent long enough for this to rly make a difference

[meager valley]

It isn’t just a flat .05 buddy 😂

Or a flat .025

[strong umbra]

and its negligible

[meager valley]

It’s a curve

[heavy vigil]

itsa LOT stronger

[strong umbra]

beating the ai doesn't require you so called "optimal high level gameplay"

[meager valley]

I guess he hasn’t played or doesn’t understand how the occupation laws actually work. That or ragebaiting 😂

[strong umbra]

i would like to just enjoy the game

not listen to your so called "wiseness"

[meager valley]

NO BUT YOU NEED META SPACEMARINES THAT COST 5 bil IC by exploiting puppets research times!

[daring geyser]

no one mentioned the term "wiseness" or anything

[strong umbra]

its implied

[daring geyser]

i literally just mentioned doing collabs as germany is optimal in your case

[strong umbra]

your acting like it

[meager valley]

We don’t quote what we don’t see

[kindred shore]

Olga

[strong umbra]

and I put it in quotation marks to imply sarcasm

not as in its a quote

[meager valley]

Resistance is legit like 3-6x higher now than it was before. Civ admin is often not the best choice anymore

[fringe shell]

ts is just border gore

[strong umbra]

who are u?

[meager valley]

100 years war dumbed down

[drowsy arrow]

[fringe shell]

greece

[heavy vigil]

tac

[fringe shell]

6 mil

[heavy vigil]

every nation can now get +35% resistance target and 50% growth speed

thats a lot

its additive to other resistance modifiers

[drowsy arrow]

Exile + that lol

Imagine player poland

[fringe shell]

just from me cause british are jacking off in mainland

[heavy vigil]

poland, norway, sinkiang go crazy

[drowsy arrow]

True

[meager valley]

Turns out Tac has confused resistance for compliance this whole time. 😂

[strong umbra]

nah northeastern army

[heavy vigil]

sucks

[drowsy arrow]

They have like nothing

[strong umbra]

goofy name

[drowsy arrow]

Like maybe 1 mil

[strong umbra]

ye but goofy name

[daring geyser]

it's because before the update civillian administration WAS meta, but ig if the modifiers are really that big now then it might not be

[drowsy arrow]

Is normal name for warlords

[strong umbra]

and YOUNG MARSHALL🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[heavy vigil]

im only talking about resistance modifiers i dont care how playable the country is btw

[daring geyser]

but i dont play the game after the update cuz it screwed MP

[drowsy arrow]

Like shanxi was called the 8th land army in chinese or smt

[meager valley]

So how can you tell us what’s meta without knowing what is currently meta.

[daring geyser]

cuz civillian administration was meta ever since 2020 lol

[meager valley]

Ik

I used it

[drowsy arrow]

I thought was SP?

Secret police?

Liberated workers?

[meager valley]

Civ Admin is legit rebellion farming simulator now

[drowsy arrow]

Harsh quotas?

[strong umbra]

COMMUNISM

[heavy vigil]

btw

[daring geyser]

i wouldnt expect it to be the meta for 5 years then it randomly changes

[sand heath]

hey guys how do yall make tank divisions without bleeding supplies too much?

[drowsy arrow]

....

[strong umbra]

aint that mirr factories?

[drowsy arrow]

Yea

Can get more than 100%

Make factories appear out of thin air

[heavy vigil]

meta has been harsh quotas

[daring geyser]

also btw on the one you replied to i was replying to how the guy had said that it was optimal to only do collabs on france and sovs as germany 😭

[sand heath]

🙁

[daring geyser]

if you do the exploit for more factories

tho on 90% of situations itll nuke your compliance overtime

[heavy vigil]

idc they can play how they like

[meager valley]

Not only is it by default bad now. If your enemy has doctrines that compound it, it legit speedruns rebellions

[drowsy arrow]

Thought was Secret police

[meager valley]

It’s brutal

[heavy vigil]

yes its better first 3 years still

[drowsy arrow]

and liberated and harsh

[heavy vigil]

and always better for low compliance lands

[meager valley]

I think the resistance changes were almost a way of paradox nerfing the daily compliance that many countries get now

[drowsy arrow]

Put more spies, waste tho

[strong umbra]

arent they usually also low industry lands

[daring geyser]

i gotta wait for gorilla tactics server to revert to 1.16.9 to play this game again

the update has legit made hist mp aids

[meager valley]

Feel like MP at this point just needs an official modpack

[fringe shell]

bro why

[daring geyser]

yeah but harsh quotas works in a way it sometimes will literally spawn in factories

[meager valley]

I’m not a fan of the devs designing a game around the few who play MP

[heavy vigil]

?

[strong umbra]

like Poland has basically no industry

except for like warsaw

[heavy vigil]

poland has a lot

[strong umbra]

and maybe krakow

[heavy vigil]

what

[daring geyser]

poland has a lot of industry its why you always do 1-2 collabs on them

[strong umbra]

what is a lot?

[meager valley]

Polish coal is cursed

Fr if you guys haven’t, look where Poland has 95% of its coal

Actual aids

[heavy vigil]

20+ civs is always a lot

[strong umbra]

katowittz

[daring geyser]

they should at least think about the gamemode lol

this update basically made all of the old metas stronger and simultaneously cooked the allies

[heavy vigil]

allies are ok

[daring geyser]

i barely played it but when i played mp with that, SPGs melted egypt

[heavy vigil]

they can 1 wave

just look on rb

[strong umbra]

and you're spending 30 civs for 2 collabds

[meager valley]

I agree, I just don’t know how they would. Ik they made many values easily modable.

[strong umbra]

id rather use them to build

[daring geyser]

collabs almost always pay off

[strong umbra]

ye

but still

[daring geyser]

RB sovs guide includes doing 1 collab on estonia and latvia lol

its how good they are

[meager valley]

I wish France Monarchy/Fascist paths had more options for coring or formables

[heavy vigil]

ok then do that, just know your eco will be worse

[meager valley]

Basically the only formable is the Franco-Spanish Union

[strong umbra]

its fine for single-player

[meager valley]

I’ve never been a fan of collabs or puppets. I’d rather occupy everything at a loss 😂

Less lag

Also hate when puppets start giving you every division they make

[daring geyser]

iirc germany collabs go 3 on france/1 on belgium/1 on czech (?)/1 or 2 on poland/1 on norway/max on sovs

[strong umbra]

everything to make your name bigger on the map

[merry sluice]

reich no more

[daring geyser]

tho casey probably knows the collabs for germany better

[strong umbra]

Just a question what about the UK?

[heavy vigil]

2 pol 2 hol 1 bel 2 fra iirc then 3 ussr

[strong umbra]

shouldn't I be collabing the uk

[heavy vigil]

i forgor tho

[sudden thistle]

Ur quite confident

[heavy vigil]

norway doesnt give that much i think? they have like craaazy resistance

denmark can give a lot 😍

[strong umbra]

invading uk in single-player is ez

[daring geyser]

the strategy is optimized for multiplayer mostly, so ppl don't do uk collabs cuz doing sealion requires the uk player to mess up

but i would assume 3

[sudden thistle]

We are talking about mp

[strong umbra]

ah

never liked it

makes the already long games way too long

[sudden thistle]

Mp is fun

[strong umbra]

then ppl have a potato chip pc

[sudden thistle]

I do like 8 of them a year though

[strong umbra]

and the game crashes

[daring geyser]

an organized historical game is a million times better than singleplayer

[daring geyser]

also they dont last long if you have a good mod

[strong umbra]

yes emphasis on ORAGNISED

[daring geyser]

semicomp mp communities have optimization mods

[sudden thistle]

Unorganized mp is torture

[daring geyser]

if you join random hoi4 lobbies or random hoi4 official server lobbies you could throw your time into a trash bin instead

[daring geyser]

reason being singleplayer is just too easy

[strong umbra]

any good recommendations

for mp dervers

[daring geyser]

after learning a single MP major you will crush the AI every single time

[daring geyser]

red baron is probably the best big one

fuwg exists but it's cancer

[sudden thistle]

I mean Fuwg is always having a game, but it’s Fuwg

[heavy vigil]

i need to play some war thunder

[daring geyser]

mcwhiskers is good but idk if they still host

[strong umbra]

played it once

[daring geyser]

callisto is aids

[strong umbra]

hatr the mod

[sudden thistle]

They don’t

[heavy vigil]

mcw like died

[sudden thistle]

Have been waiting for months

[strong umbra]

whats the red baron invite link?

can someone send it

[daring geyser]

.gg/redbaron

[inner iron]

I need to get mortared on company of heroes

[heavy vigil]

no it isnt for masochism

i am about to get the Chi-Ri

which i heard is a good tank

[inner iron]

Is it a tank that's 20 years out of date

[drowsy ravine]

as the USSR what focus do i need to go like non-aligned / democratic?

[inner iron]

With riveted armour and a rifle as a cannon

[strong umbra]

right side

tsarist exiles

[drowsy ravine]

right opposition?

[strong umbra]

do u have no step back?

[drowsy ravine]

yes

i have all

[sudden thistle]

They don’t have democracy

[heavy vigil]

no its the Chi-Ri

[daring geyser]

broken but not defeated iirc

[daring geyser]

me when i lie

[strong umbra]

ye no democracy

[drowsy ravine]

non aligned is fine

[strong umbra]

but they have tsarist exiles

[heavy vigil]

the type 5

[drowsy ravine]

which is non-aligned?

[strong umbra]

TSARIST EXILEs

[sudden thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/giant-fatass-bnuuy-bunny-bnuuy-rabbit-rabbit-whatever-gif-15720990188084548831

[drowsy ravine]

alright

thanks 👍

[mystic mantle]

14 destroyers on patrol mission managed to sink 2 lone carriers😂

[inner iron]

You'll go through a giant civil war

Have fun

[drowsy ravine]

its worth it trust

[strong umbra]

oh mb

[inner iron]

Big peepee small peepee

[strong umbra]

https://youtube.com/shorts/6BHrWbhhqqI?si=gCBcdik7qUCMtIv8

it was this one

best tank

best tank design

production cost:20 manpower

special: 1 manpower per shot

[heavy vigil]

its powerful..

[daring geyser]

@heavy vigil pick me a tf2 achievement i should get

[inner iron]

The small one too?

[daring geyser]

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Achievements

[snow rain]

counter argument : I just tested it, it's still 50 transport plane per division

[heavy vigil]

no thats a 37mil

but it can deal some damage

[strong umbra]

70 supremacy

not planes

[inner iron]

Does it shoot mini nukes

[strong umbra]

70 percent supremacy look at the context next time

[snow rain]

oh mb I don't know how to read

[heavy vigil]

mass hysteria

[snow rain]

I thought you were discussing the comment about the 45 planes per drop when stacked

[daring geyser]

i already have it

pick another one

[heavy vigil]

uncapped APHE i believe

[inner iron]

Dang

[haughty bison]

Man i getting bored playing hoi4 alone
And i am anxious to try mp or rp considering i never tried them before

[heavy vigil]

running with scissors

[daring geyser]

bruh

you have to use a paid taunt to earn that

[heavy vigil]

idk what you want smh

[daring geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/akselav-angry-porta-door-gif-21959147

[heavy vigil]

team doctor done?

[daring geyser]

yes

[little owl]

Is anyone having issues with desyncs in MP? Especially after loading a savegame?

[craggy trail]

Battleship countermeasures

[drowsy ravine]

i think i was supposed to delay the civil war in some way...

[steady spear]

why is my boats not driving

[heavy vigil]

nah its fine

you prob didnt click on map decisions

[drowsy ravine]

im not that gppd 😭

[heavy vigil]

just take vps

their army will become yours

its chill

[drowsy ravine]

im in siberia

there are no VPs close

[heavy vigil]

yeah its literally not that hard

there are

even minor ones count

[drowsy ravine]

ah okay

[carmine pivot]

what do yall think of these ugly ass borders

[woven bear]

Is there any Polish player here?

[prisma rapids]

god bless paratroopers

https://tenor.com/view/fallschirmjäger-segunda-guerra-mundial-ss-schutzstaffel-gif-25996398

[runic wraith]

why are space marines banned in mp servers? thats the only meta i know

[strong umbra]

basically makes everything else unviable

leads to a boring meta

where everyone would do the same thing

[lament herald]

is it alr to do the superior firepower for france when im doing alot of arty in my inf?

[strong umbra]

yes

[haughty bison]

Sp is good for defense in general

[strong umbra]

I rly love sp

[haughty bison]

Grand battle plan for offense

[strong umbra]

best I my opinion

[strong umbra]

eh

[lament herald]

im trying to do the third empire

[strong umbra]

I dont like wating that long

for planning bonus

[eternal palm]

Old meta, they're shit now

[strong umbra]

tbh best defense is mass assault i think

[eternal palm]

It used to be better but since everyone gets piercing now they're shit

[haughty bison]

Fair
But stat wise it is

[haughty bison]

Use to be before the rework i think

[drowsy ravine]

thats like half the size of my current army this is peak 🙏

[eternal palm]

Holy strength bars 😭

[runic wraith]

idk it works

[strong umbra]

CONSOLIDATE

[runic wraith]

what else then

[strong umbra]

I meant like it was op

why pick smth not op when u could pick smth op

[strong umbra]

trainee your Army dammit

train them to lvl 3

[drowsy ravine]

i just got them

thats how they came

and i need the front line fodder

[strong umbra]

o ur at war

rn

[drowsy ravine]

im over extended as hell

yeah lol

[strong umbra]

which country are you?

[strong umbra]

ik technically grand battleplan is best but where's the fun in drawing a few lines and setting there

[haughty bison]

I usually micro with my tanks while waiting for the inf planing lol

[strong umbra]

I think after the doctrine rework mass assault is aslo pretty viable

[strong umbra]

I just micro my entire army

by the time I have tanks I dont need to micro

[obtuse yew]

Who needs to micro in sp

[strong umbra]

buddy

[haughty bison]

Still new to microing stuff so i start small with tanks

[strong umbra]

you pick sp to micro

you pick gb if u dont wanna micro

do u get that?

[obtuse yew]

I mean single play

[strong umbra]

still

[steady thorn]

Old mass assault battle plan my beloved

[strong umbra]

can u cap france Yugoslavia Romania czechoslovakia and UK by 1939 as Italy without micro?

[fringe shell]

bro?

they just joined

[strong umbra]

holy non his

[steady thorn]

If you cheese then yea, easily

[strong umbra]

cheesing is besides the point

[strong umbra]

ok maybe I did

a bit

[steady thorn]

u can be done in 37

easily

[strong umbra]

just a tiny bit

[strong umbra]

ik

but its my first time

[steady thorn]

ah didnt see uk

mb

[obtuse yew]

Yes if you produced enough fighters and cas

[steady thorn]

Ehh

[strong umbra]

just micro broski

[steady thorn]

u can still pull it off in 37 with uk

[strong umbra]

50percwnt of the fun

[strong umbra]

ye

I got reinforce memes in the uk

hard

[steady thorn]

u can go for more aswell I mean

[strong umbra]

and I first focus on africa

[steady thorn]

id snipe portugal too while im at it

[strong umbra]

instead of the isles

[steady thorn]

if you just want to cap uk why would u even bother with africa?

[strong umbra]

idk tbh

[steady thorn]

diplo pressure improve relation with germany and they will give you docking rights

[strong umbra]

I captures the entirety of Africa before uk

[steady thorn]

take ur navy to german ports before war

[strong umbra]

as in UK France and Congo territory

[steady thorn]

worthless

[strong umbra]

ik

but still

now I have to attack spain

and let them walk to piedmont

to lose my cores

and get mussolini away

[meager widget]

anyone has good hoi4 content creators that I can watch and learn from?

[strong umbra]

BITTERSTEEL

[steady thorn]

IsorrowProductiond and bittersteel

[strong umbra]

he has good guides

[strong umbra]

isp skips too much

in my opinion

[haughty bison]

Watch tommy kay for 1 video to understand why supply is important

[strong umbra]

isnt rly good guide

[strong umbra]

watch him to learn German swear words

[steady thorn]

you learn by watching casual gameplay guides bore ppl easily

[long wind]

I was wondering if anyone wants to play?

[meager widget]

I actually watched isorrowproductions and he does skip alot

but I dont mind watching him

again

[rain loom]

yesss i just got a great hunger achievement

[strong umbra]

in my opinion he does for it to be a good guide

[meager widget]

his iraq video. I think was cool

[strong umbra]

he is fun to watch tho

[obtuse yew]

Hop on mp and learn while playing

[haughty bison]

Playing navy us is so satisfying
You get all 4 sub doctrine al fast you waste your xp to skip time on reasher

[strong umbra]

mp matches take way too long

and its hard to find a good match

[haughty bison]

Yh 5 to 7h for 1 game is making not join a game

[strong umbra]

where the people arent doing goddam anarchist spain

[obtuse yew]

Playing hoi4 alone is so boring

[strong umbra]

or just goofy pths

[strong umbra]

no?

mp matches are boring

[meager widget]

for mp do the dlcs you buy get used there?

[obtuse yew]

I don’t want to look at my screen for 4h alone

[strong umbra]

it takes like 1 hours to go to 1937

[meager widget]

or is it like pure vanilla on mp

[strong umbra]

usually with mods

[obtuse yew]

You play with the hosts dlcs

If the host has all the dlcs

Then you get it to

[strong umbra]

they always have to have them

otherwise its UNACCEPTABLE

[long wind]

what if you don't want to buy the dlc

[strong umbra]

omg

subscription

dont yall get thats cheaper and better

[obtuse yew]

No

[meager widget]

I see

[strong umbra]

yes

[obtuse yew]

Buy dlcs better

[strong umbra]

27eur for 6months

[meager widget]

more than 100$ worth for like

[strong umbra]

they release a new dlc aboit every 6months

[meager widget]

dlcs you'd play for 3 months max

[strong umbra]

it costs 30 eur

[haughty bison]

Some people dont have the money to pay 3 to 4$ a month keep that in mind

[strong umbra]

the math is mathing

[meager widget]

not talking about the sub

[strong umbra]

its cheaper than buying the dlcs individually

dont say stuff I haven't said or implied

[haughty bison]

True but some people aren't from countries where they get high income

[long wind]

Don't hey have a bundle buy that give discounts

[strong umbra]

regional pricing

[obtuse yew]

It costs 8€?!?!

[strong umbra]

8 for a month

15 for 3

27 for 6

[haughty bison]

I wasn't implying anything? Just pointing smth

[obtuse yew]

I see

[strong umbra]

yes but there way you make that comment implies smth

[haughty bison]

Oh the price is per region? Didn't know that my bad then

[haughty bison]

My bad

[strong umbra]

[fringe shell]

yeah of course but when axis are my enemis they won

[strong umbra]

wait are the odds of Germany beating soviet ai?

and the player has no interference

by playing as Bhutan for example

anyone got a estimate?

[brave bloom]

What country should I give max forts

Im doing full fracture, if its a major ill give them power also

[fringe shell]

after 3 hours of playing

finaly

[winged field]

well, if you would play as any minor probably not, but if you were any major allied country and do nothing that would work

or even playing as italy and doing nothing cuz they suck so bad as axis member

so the german forces wouldnt need to go south to help italy

[meager valley]

Man I really wish Anarchism got daily compliance gain. It feels much weaker now with the extra resistance and its economy law using 45% coal

[fringe shell]

where tf is iron

^steel

[wary sparrow]

they are using it lol

[hoary orchid]

are the recon rangers unlocked by the mountaineers and rangers SF branches the same company, and do they benefit from both sets of buffs that the branches give?

[drowsy ravine]

what the hell

poland just accepted danzig or war

dont see that every day

W A T

[vagrant burrow]

Currently very low. The last update gave the Allies air base access in the Soviet Union. Germany gets obliterated

[strong umbra]

ahh I remember german ai beating soviets only once ever

[safe wing]

seen this back in 2021

also Napoleon VI would be 23 in 1936

[vagrant burrow]

Yea I'm playing since three weeks and haven't seen Germany get much farther than Minsk except when I played Italy

[strong umbra]

play Germany urself

best way to guarantee win

[strong umbra]

if u play Italy then u can easily solo the allies

and take the balkans

after that cap soviet

then cap usa

[vagrant burrow]

I mostly play shitholes to eorld conquest. For Germany I wait for my buddy because he wants to play Japan. Which is ideal since there won't be land distribution problems

[safe wing]

As France I hope the UK doesn't go Monarchist

[strong umbra]

ever heard of player lead peace conferences

just always use it except if ur achievements hunting

[vagrant burrow]

That's exactly what I did. Restarted the tutorial until I got the whole Balcan then killed Germany, then Soviet Union, then the Allies

[strong umbra]

and like be semi responsible with it

[strong umbra]

with paratroopers right?

right?

btw u can also get achievements without his ai

[vagrant burrow]

I've read about it. But honestly my experience with peace conferences is great. I have a feeling that most complainers don't realize they can claim more stuff every round and just accept after round one

[strong umbra]

but atp its just gambling

[strong umbra]

best mod for world conquest state transfer tool for 1.16

[vagrant burrow]

No, at that point I only had mountaineers. Didn't know too much about the game so I stuck with what I got. But I had Rocket Jets : D

[vagrant burrow]

Great tip. I'll remember to incorporate it when we play coop

[strong umbra]

look at this map bro

this is why u should use player led peace conferences

look at poland

does this look good to you?

does it?

[vagrant burrow]

My dude your stuff is not connected. You should annex Germany

[strong umbra]

my army is nit ready for that

ima do that next year

my industry is double theirs but still

my army isnt

[vagrant burrow]

Is Germany at war with anybody? I'd assume you taking everything might have changed a lot for them

[strong umbra]

nope

ima wait for barbarossa

im in faction with them byw

so I can check it

im trying to get the holy and Roman achivement

and the pope capture Moscow one

[vagrant burrow]

I'm not sure they'll do Barbarossa. When I grabbed everything with Italy, including Balcan and France, Germany never declared war on Soviet Union

[strong umbra]

oh no theyre doing ghe triumphant will

ima just quickly leave their faction

[vagrant burrow]

At least in the next two years. Then I ate them because I was impatient

[strong umbra]

so doesn't get too strong

[vagrant burrow]

Yea I also went for the Roman Empire

[strong umbra]

im just letting Spain walk in

[vagrant burrow]

Oh I just saw you also got the uk already. Nice

[strong umbra]

so I can depose mussoloni

[patent thistle]

WHAT THE F JUST HAPPEND IN EGYPT-

[vagrant burrow]

I always snack spain for easy France access

[merry sluice]

are my reserves good?

[vagrant burrow]

Civil war

[reef dirge]

Yeah

[craggy trail]

[strong umbra]

I think i can get enough

90 +15

ok thats enough

bye bye mussolini

[vagrant burrow]

Nice, I thought about doing that, but I didn't feel like reading the whole tree to find out if the other leaders suit me better

[strong umbra]

should I give them bessarabia?

yes I let Spain in on purpose

[broken sky]

If you have reserves, then go for it, lol. Your border with the USSR is pretty thin

Won't be penetrated since the AI can't make actual shit

[strong umbra]

why did my generals vanish

I had some lvl 6 generals

but after depositing mussoloni they vanished

[safe wing]

because they were loyal to him

[strong umbra]

atleast my 9 logistics guy is still here

[fallen vigil]

bros wearing 60% of his countrys gdp in gold in this photo

[paper echo]

country?

[versed rapids]

africa

[paper echo]

then 90% of his country's gpt

[dusky burrow]

ethiopia

[inner iron]

He raided Tutankhamen's tomb for that drip

[fallen vigil]

holy shit i barely got that achievement

[strong umbra]

okay japan declared on me

for no reason

time ro say bye bye hirohito

[versed rapids]

with italy

wow

[strong umbra]

aint that hard

[versed rapids]

in 1910

1941

[fallen vigil]

just form rome atp

and u get free cores

[strong umbra]

ik

[versed rapids]

he beat uk, usa and almost japan

[fallen vigil]

all u need is turkey n greece

[strong umbra]

doing that rn

[strong umbra]

I even gave Japan tonkin

what have I done against them

[dusky burrow]

wait why

you could have been peaceful 🙁

[fallen vigil]

it takes wayyy too long

[strong umbra]

am I supposed to have cores on republican Spain territory?

[fallen vigil]

it took me one year to get ONE PROVINCE to 90% resistance

[strong umbra]

is this a bug?

[broken sky]

Asking for peace from a HOI4 player is like telling a deaf person to hear you out

😔

[fallen vigil]

u probably got it through a focus without knowing

[strong umbra]

I haven't done any focus to gain cores on republican spain

[strong umbra]

nope

[fallen vigil]

i know theres cores about the balleric island

maybe its tied to that

someway

[strong umbra]

I think its a bug right?

\

must be

see

my focus tree

[fallen vigil]

yeahh dont know

at least its a good bug

😭

[strong umbra]

should I ping a developer?

[fallen vigil]

eh

why not

[strong umbra]

@steep slate

I think its a bug right?

[abstract crypt]

they are not cored