#hoi4-general
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Restart the run for more stats
And then just stare and do nothing
Average hoi4 player grindset
ive gotten sub 100 to 100k before
noob
hmmmmmm
Who was stronger, the Soviets or the Allies?
go with allies and god protect me
allies literally always win
soviets would lose 1v1 with germany
allies would never
For a player, the Soviets scale the tallest
for a player the uk is the undisputed champ bro
Especially when it reaches comecon focus and literally eats 100% factories from it's puppets
ok with allies
u know the uk can core over 500mil
and its technical max cores is the whole map
Cores don't matter when compliance and puppets gets you the same factory count
u dont get it man the uk can get the entire british and american industry in 1939 plus its cores
thats 200mil with the 2 strongest industries
in 1939
and the single strongest navy
british empire navy and usa navy
all together
And the Soviets can rush the axis by 39 and do comecon, leech all the factories and get the same result
no 😭
yeah because they're cheating
bro r u new
being on an island
no way ur a hoi4 player
that Germany literally can't get to
I've rushed Europe as the Soviets before
no real hoi4 player thinks soviets are better than uk
u know the uk focus tree literally just gives u shit
I mean I wasn’t even trying either
All an accident
how
That’s alt hist
technical means it isnt possible unless u do minmax wit crazy luck
are u an ortodox christian?
yeah how do you do it technically
Allies are just better because they are literally an ocean away
it means france going spanish king and spain going anarchist
then spain coring the whole world while france hasnt cored spain
then uk can core all french land later
yeah that doesn't count
the other more reasonable route
is the uk max imperial fed
which is also really good
So bro relies on rng instead of actual country mechanics
Ur comparing like a 0.00005% chance path happening to normal Soviets
no
this guy just asked
how its possibl
Normal Soviets is only limited to winning a war with a major and going comecon
can imperial fed get India as core
no
rip
When are you gonna see new zealand form pacific union
uk can spam civies and get free mils from its tree
Never
so u can get like 200 civs in 1938 with buncha mils still
So you're exaggerating cores again
u can give it to em
ya know
Puppets can't do formables?
u lose puppet when u go facist
also if u minmax
u can just form base imperial fed plus north america
in 1939
That doesn't sound minmaxing but straight up rng
what are some good Germany infantry templates?
imperial fed doesnt need rng bro
go facist civil war full annex declare usa 1938 naval invade and push and 1939 u have imperial fed plus north america
the default template of 9 infantry units is pretty good for defense
also can soviet do this without ever making a navy? thats what i thought
also u have 10% non core bonus on india
which is legit just free manpoweer
u dont even need to form imperial fed to have infinite manpower
for support companies?
also nothing like naval domination as uk
rule brittania
brittania rules the waves
can change depends where you're fighting and stuff
but in general>
I see many cores
I usually put AA and AT
this is pre imperial fed
also if u wanna talk compliance and non core bonuses italy clearly wins
insane african law
45% max non core
and advisors with compliance bonuses
also ima drop this
cause i think this is fun
you don't need at in single player, aa is enough to pierce ai tanks
arty and engineers are pretty good in general
for the infantry branch of the doctrine
what should I go for?
how do u have china
thats why i dropped it
i solo capped china who was in balkan faction
and i had so much war score i just took south china and balkans plus navies
prc had cores so theey out bid me doe
are you going pure inf or defense inf and tanks for offence
general use inf and mot/mech and tanks for offence
Id want infantry that can both hold the line and punch through if and only when necessary
then should be assault infantry
where can i research civ trains
is the 9inf still good for the general use?
bro what is the usa doing
yes
thank you
I started going 10inf some days ago and it was doing somewaht well
I was wondering if there was something better
16w so 8 inf
And a lot of cas
Idk 20w is kinda weird
Doesn't really fit into anything
and the 18w does not?
Or you do 25w divs
Why?
That's awful what
For mountains u do 32
Cuz u can go above 33% of the width
For more stats
guys give me a country to play im bored
Trotskiyst russia
ok ig
for assault and tanks
is it still 36?
Cuz it's still reasonably cheap for large frontlines
It's a shit width
Why recommend something bad
Just say the correct thing if you know
Like 32 is not that much more expensive and much better
It works for me
Doesn't mean it's good
Or that there aren't better options
how?
u will have
So does the Soviets tbh
soviets dont got rubber
25 is just an objectively bad width
Ur saying this while owning half the world
u NEVER need rubber as uk
also england is a coal mine
like the entire island
is just coal
do u just exploit ur colonies?
They also updated coal so it doesn’t do anything recently
u think uk would be op without its colonies
yeah real i like the electrical grid resource bonus
its so op
He literally kills the US to make it "better" than the Soviets
screw it we're testing 16w this run
😭 bro
ur argument was invade germany
ur literally saying only i can invade
I gotta try a UK only UK game
Because your argument is to early kill the US
Like decolonize
yeah and urs is kill eu early 😭 😭
I use your logic
and u dont even get to core
i mean thats fair the US is in absolute poverty
does the ai ever goes communist uk and decolonize on ahistorical
Cores don't matter when comecon steals every single factory
i feel like i never seen that happen
Casey just hates the arsenal of dmeocrwcy
💔
do u know how op
uk+usa industry is
in 1939
like decent?
its like owning all of europe
still bad mils
its so much civis
in terms of output
hello?
yeah but every mil is like half a german/japan mil
so whatever
🤷♂️ u get production buffs and 5 research slots
it balances
british tech is really op
u start with more tech
not nearly as much cap, prod output, output cost
and u start with most nations max research slots
Soviets is just more fun to play though
Same could be said about Soviet scaling into lategame and turns into a monster eating the world's resources
late game everyone knows italy number one blud
monarchist italy
the goat
45% non core plus colonial police in africa alone
And what do you gain from Africa exactly
insane manpower and resources
5 rubber, 7 steel and like 30 chromium
Exactly my point
And every major is spoiled with manpower
Except France which has difficulties
Ur comparing the ROMAN EMPIRE to the normal soviets
i said excluding roman empire
also some of u never joined japan v china got the 45% and just took 3 chinese states
and it shows
Rubber is so easy to build up and Turkey is parked right next to Soviets who can literally be killed on day one if the strait crisis goes right
image not getting 10mil manpower with just italy and south china
Which means free chromium
Ok there we go
chromium is pretty plentiful
soviet can get romania and turkey early but
uk getting usa
infinitely better
You literally sent a screenshot of Africa being packed with rubber and chromium
rubber aint
rubber annoying ash
Ur also in like 1946
makes u do extra research and construction
ok blud talk to malaya
malaya and indonesia bro
god
i love em
so much rubber
Malaya is op ngl
is someone a christian here by any chance?
Imagine if your island somehow got blockaded and you ran out of oil and convoys
Very strong uk indeed
Does your deathstack detect sub 4's with anaechoic tiles
RULE BRITTANIA
Unlikely
BRITTANIA RULES THE WAVES
eat my naval planes
If they can reach the subs, sure
uk has ALOT of carriers
also u get big starting industry
since game start ive just been building MORE NAVY
The starting carriers are dogwater
true but
u can make alot of em
cause u get a big head start
i made 10
You do realise that they get stacking penalties
Which is why early carriers suck
Carrier 3's start to matter
🗣️ doesnt matter
Alright mister navy genius
no one is competing unless they concentratee
also if u do get usa navy too
plus british empire
the navy is insane
like im not joking
u are never losing
and the usa dockyards
The US starting navy is mostly interwar garboleum
insane
Japan starting navy oneshots it
when u got 50 dockyards and shit ton of ships
Which is comical to me
ur good
i will say doe soviet gets good shit from balkans and turkey
its really funny that balkans and turkey beat china in resources
like
Why don’t u just compare historical uk to historical Soviets
completely
historical uk sucks
its op but
not that op

its still top 5 if u do historical cause of tech
and non core africa
but it aint number 1 in historical
And the Soviets are…?
2nd
historical soviets
i think 1st places is prolly germany
historical germany is op blud
in a historical game germany stands ontop but axis sucks so they will never win
Germany has always felt weak to me as a major
their industry is so op
u can spam tanks
good ones
plus u get flame tanks from the go
So can the French and the Soviets tbh
U can do that as mostly any major too
not on the german level
cant convince me this isnt op
bro the usa has the worse scaling of all the majors
only 45 days
its only op during ww2
Industry wise
talking about the tree
its the prob the easiest and one of the most OP
as a whole
oh
germany tree is really op
The french get real good tanks by war
yeaaah but...
france sucks
it just does
we need new american tree bro
Can u do me a favor and check how many heavies are in a heavy tank battalion
Franch path is too boring but its fun in wars
40?
💔 200
jk but german ai loves em
France so far has been stronger than Germany for me cause it doesn't rely on expansion but still claps the axis if built right
Imma say 40
france is op cause if u do it right ur a fortress
but
butttt
buttttt
hi guys can anybody teach me please i dont really know what im doing
-Thinks 70 days are Bad
-looks at Netherlands
-sees 190 day focus
its still kinda buns
I thought it’s 210
It's only buns to you cause it doesn't expand
You build tall as France and that's a different kind of fun
Not Sure tbh
Mexico getting a research slot in 140 days
really boring tho
historical yeah i agree
Nah
ahist doe
barely any extra cores
i dont
I dont get why the main way of determining fun for Most ppl is cores
yeah but thats just not how facist germany is
yup
its really op with puppets
other paths don't have all that much either
WHAT??!?!
except democratic eu
I creamed over Bulgarian patriarchy having fat compliance when it released, now that was fun
democratic and monarchist core eu
commie cores france
uk
italy
Bro has never heard of Spartakus League
Who needs cores when you have compliance for days
cores still better as a whole
unless ur italy
how does monarchist core eu
Actually there's cases of compliance outscaling cores for resources
monarchist can both form hre and eu
show me
hre is not that big
hre over 100mil cores
Eh still good cores
EU is simply better though
quit
It's like people saying that Russia needs more cores
They glaze Russian slavic union
Like what
turk?
yes
russia is op enough
Iceland needs more cores
not about struggling just about it just feels nore satisfying to me to core bigger parts idk
Cores?
Some compliance buffs let you stay on forced labour occupation and still stay at 100% compliance
if u really want cores just play phillipines bro
u sit there
and get free cores
thats not close to italy
Forced labour gives 40%, Italian law 20%
Plus bonus from having high compliance
It all stacks
I still remember the days
Where Mapuche Chile was the "free Cores" path
Now, all people talk about is Philippines
do you know btw if the chances for countries agreeing to union pure rng or are they affected by opinion or anything
Nobody gonna mention my goat communist Chile?
Plus commie governments get a similar occupation bonus with liberated workers to Italian laws
Disappointing
hol up
im gonna minmax
italy
real quick
like
gimme some time
so i can do the shit
What about it?
my last save is old version
no idea but u will get atleast half bro
If u puppet all of SA u can core and annex all of it with a single focus
Pretty funny
Is a lot of setup though
why cant i see anything : (
unbelievably insane
Also tedious but ye similar mechanic
Restart game
And what unfortunate country are u playing
mightaswell just play suzerain ig instead
Greater Hungary is back, baby!
Ok I uploaded a test version so far: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3621358522
Honestly one of my Most favourite nations ever, because it's Just so aesthetically pleasing
Mech designer when
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i should do fourth reich Argentina, sounds pretty fun
It is I just did the Austro- Hungary one now this is just Hungary itself. I also puffed Yugoslavia Romania and Czechs
With your former mongol overlords China
Yeah, NATO decided to fight the Soviets in a operation unthinkable so China was already fighting them so they got a piece
Absolutely hilarious that Hungary got brought closer to it's ancient roots
I basically waited until Germany was getting attacked on every side to jump in against them to secure my claims
China-Hungary shall be the new superpower
Also, Germany is back for some reason they got booed with the treaty, but due to the war of the Soviets they reunified and they got even
More with their sexy borders back
Also, Austria decided they wanted to join too
@inner iron 1 compliance africa plus 45% non core
1% non core with limited conscription is insane btw
resource with 0 tech 0 investment
commie arab stalin
al stalin
max tec all resource extractions done
quite the interesting request
oh shit i forgot to do italian empire @inner iron
year
dam so resources were wrong
You never even showed how much your occupation law buffs your factories and resrouces
im showing how op italy is for non core
thats 1.5% wit limited conscription for non core
thats really op bro
thats base china
u effectively have manpower core on everything
Resources are limited tho
INFINITE UNITS
no
u can produce with time
manpower plateau faster
u can just make guns
I personally wouldn't care about even more manpower when Italy already has a decent pool
and shit out 5000 max infantry units
and u will never run out of manpower
that means
no one can beat u
ever
as long as u can spam guns
u can spam infinite troop spam
I barely ever run out of manpower anyway
I usually run out of resources
And whenever I have manpower issues, it's so easy to leech a puppet for manpower
resources after infrastructure
africa only
Holy that is weak
can someone help
i didnt notic e
im playing german empire
and im at war with france and the soviets
and its being too historical...
Bro artificially creates the ideal Italy which realistically takes to 1945 to achieve
And it would still suck
we talking late game no?
im getting attritioned so hard
I can't advance in the west
this started cause we saying best late game
That is still awful
with low comp?
its ok
lemme increase compliance
and we check on it again]
they shit expand this
The oil and tungsten is genuinely pathetic, atleast the rubber can be built up
it only works on lybia and eth rn
i think the main stuff u get is chromium and rubber for africa
And you will starve for coal
north africa good for steel
30-50 days to click each button considering the average pp gain
thats fine this is africa ONLY
That is sadge
u probably would have more land
If only they were clickable all at once
Paradox should add an event that has a bunch of decisions that do nothing
prolly be better
Just so you can click the button
Collaboration government Japan would like a word I guess
good steel
Because your logic collapses quickly when their build does it way better with China
idk man this is my main point for italy
it can fight the longest in a latee game senario
cause it will have manpower regardles
even after 30mil losses
a mega slog battle
italy will have manpower
also wait awhile @inner iron
i havent even showed
high compliance
africa italy
all u saw was 2%
great switzerland
How do you play the Phillipines?
200k manpower from 1 5mil african state @inner iron
italy manpower
i will stand by it
forever
italy is a manpower merchant
how is the entirety of africa only like 100 factories
it gets more than if it was cored i think
What mod are you playing?
africa sucks
Cuz the flag is sick asf
this is vanila italy bro...
I never saw this flag in my life
its in the monarchist/democratic path
apr to november 17 compliance gain
this is for later
when if u argue compliance takes time
haile sailassie has insane compliance growth
Must have been the wind
anyway 30 compliance average
and we went from 3.59mil to 4.29mil
700k manpower from 30% compliancee
not even there yet
anyway i think my point of italy manpower being insane is proven
if u form rome ontop of this
its done
u just win
plus 5 spy max no spy master is op
6 with advisor
8 with upgades
45% non core and like 20 recruitable max for italy btw
20% population recruitable and 45% for non core with china india or high comp africa which italy gets for freee
communism is nothing
unless u play till 2025
when the +500 compounds with monthly growth
china at some point starts getting 1mil regular pop growth per month
i think in the 60s? maybe later i forgot
but not that like insanely late
especially now you have an advisor that gives more monthly pop growth as prc
pretty sure some nations in toa could get 40% monthly growth
meaning
technically infinit manpower
no
just 40% extra recruitable factor on states
pre nerf
and uruguay has decent growth but its like 20% or something
uruguay never got nerfed
brazil argentina and chile got nerfed
but that make sense
giving a mapuche chile 40% is op
imagine the entire american continent with 40% pop growth
im 90% sure it never did that
i cant remember which
but one south american nation
could geet very high monthly growth
@inner iron here sar
60% average comp
not even all 60% which grands 20% recruitable
60% lowest comp
@sudden thistle is this better sar
now that i can prove u get 2mil from just limited conscript in africa ima just go max recruitable
name me a major that can lose infinite manpower
and get instant compliance
How stupid do you have to be to lose an infinite
Hotdog
Realistically you control all of Africa by 1940 and then you have to start growing that compliance
Japan does all that by 38 with a collaboration government on China
I still struggle to see the op'ness of it
the fact u own it
first time I got a pocket this big : D
You realistically get to own it by killing 2 majors
instead of keeeping em
Which already screams game over
yeah
france and uk
ssuck in africa
with mountaineerss u can push ez
plus france caps easy
also we talking late game opness
meaning it wont just be africa
I'm yet to see a soul actually fight in africa
🤷♂️ just rush francee and annex
France is hardcoded to join the allies
So you still end up playing a game by wiping 2 majors early
Just to have your "op" strat work
is this a thing?
im playing on historical
also i think ur confused
africa is the control
the compliance bonuses apply to every state
this applies to balkans
my cpu refuses diplomacy
You control Africa by knocking out 2 majors
which isnt hard
Name me a strat that doesn't involve early wiping a major
all nations do that wym
can you explain ts🙏
Like who
soviet meta is beating up germany or just jumping into china
Soviet meta is to build tall
....please explain why they do this, isnt it non-historical
also no u wanna play tall u play america
Knocking out majors early is cheese
America scales pretty badly for most of the game
american industrial capacity is massive
u wanna play tall or nah
ok the thing is
america industry scales well
but its manpower doesnt
guys please respond to this, why is uk doing non-historical when im playing on historical
AI responds to you going non hist with non hist behaviour
The allies especially are prone to react to your path as Germany
💔
France flips to communist fast when you go democratic Germany
took me awhile it was awhile ago but
heere
italy rushing africa
not even me btw
its ai
but its possible
uk before ethiopia is crazy lol
its puppeted
lemme go get one
that i did
oh ye, i just never usually do the puppet
its ai
he said italy isnt feasable to invade for africa early game
I balkanise Ethiopia
Each state spwans factories lmao
each state also removes 1 fps lol
Your fps tanks each time a country picks a focus, deploys troops or spams planes out
Generic focus tree runs out pretty quick so eventually their fps impact is negligible
It's why people hate a Britain decolonising cause it's like 20 new countries doing focuses for atleast 3 years
And usually in mid to late game, not early game
hoi4 should remove the new countries they added in the middle east
they keep deoptimizing the game instead of optimizing it lol
You haven't tried 2015 hoi4
i feel like they made china too op now aswell
Non racists vs casual racists vs competitve racists
most normal 1.17 ai
brothers i am trying to build a new pc to run this game , any good specs? Or will i suffer from the curse of the hoi4 game engine with a nasa computer aswell
late gens core I7 or ryzen 5s will do good enough
16gbs of ddr4 ram, any gpu that has equal to or more than 2gbs of vram
should run hoi4 just fine
if you are like filthy filthy rich, I9s have the best performance in hoi4
youll always suffer a bit with the main calculations needing to be done on 1 core (as theyre interconnected)
<@&846892188725673984> <@&846892247651057716> idk who to ping, i just joined this server to tell u of this roblox game using a pic from ur guys game i thought that would be copyright i think? idk just pointing at this.
@heavy vigil please sue the roblox game
thanks
im not a lawyer
casey is tho
theyre saul goodman
casey has been able to keep walter white (owner of paradox) outta jail
bro i dont even know how to sue some game i js came here to point this out for devs/mods idk to handle
do i report the game?
sure ill do that rn
do the creators of hoi4 even allow for this
they dont really get copyrighted if theyre not making money from hoi4's image
and at most theyre making robux
using their game to promote some ahh roblox game

bro this roblox game is cash grab
like if roblox games really could be copyrighted then there wouldnt be 1001 fnaf games on roblox
Nahh thats crazy
why are the british attacking from hungary
gang i got 8gb ram
And it runs perfectly fine
you can see statistics of thumbnails on your roblox game, depending on the thumbnail, it will show how many players clicked on the game
like he said, dumb ahh devs 💔✌️😭
i said its the recommended amount tho..
8gbs of ram is pretty little, if you run windows sometimes some random ahh process will spike up the ram to 100% and cause a lagspike
5 mins to load
huh
@heavy vigil can you get me to somehow disappear to alaska?
please? alright thank you
Just fake your death
uuhh i think youd have to contact the PDX dev/support team probably through the PDX site
not currently.
blud thinks casey is dave from gta 5 and hes michael..
no minivan i can ride in?
Find a white kidnappers van
you think i can drive?? grave assumption
No red minivan?
but i also love how italy has the modern flag and is teaming up with france
Only white
In historical?
That looks like a kidney bean...
most creative roblox dev
Aw hell nah
scroll a bit up until u find a img i posted
No guns?
I found it
@rich pecan
чё надо?
run italy
Unpopular opinion 1939 start date is better
and it should stay unpopular
Nah it's peak
when does Thailand get its own focus tree
only if i dont have one
no they just spawn in your parents house
or a net
Thanks
Wich of my parents house tho?
the one closer to you
average sized bulgarian navy i would say (bought some ships as you can see which i will be refitting)
How did you buy ships
its a sub mod i have installed
its fairly obvious i think that i mainly use great war redux here
Ive played it once
arent they removing alt hist paths slowly
if i play it i usually do stuff like ottomans, korea (yes, korea)
play as austria with your incompetent allies
You saying korea makes me wanna play md
"realism" F*** YOUR REALISM I SURVIVE AS KOREA IF I WANT TO
play iron curtain korea
no, i am not forgiving them for splitting up austria
No that mod hasn't been updated in a year
it makes austria just so unbeably weak
play scenario:korea which is just the korean war
yo
then play as russia
How about the korea war 2
Ye
play east showdown
this mod is overwhelming asf (especially for my pc)
btw the japanese annexation demand comes like after 63 day focuses
and 2 japanese divisions will spawn inside your land to add insult to injury if you refuse
they spawn around Incheon and Busan
have yall played the new dlc
i am guessing its to simulate the japenese settlements that already were in korea that would obviously rise up for there country
i liked it (except the naval dominance and coal stuff)
Makes sense
china is a pain if you are playing as that
-30k weapons like what
what did chiang kai shek do
Im talking about when I play as japan
Whenever I try historical
They somehow fight back
But not on alt hist
i only have played it with a borrowed account of my friend (and still do), eh, there are better dlcs, not worth its price tag i would say
as japan i played with non hist and they accepted marco polo
i agree
still declared 1 year after and killed them
I was tryna do the historical path and they encircled my units
faction mechanics are cool but a lot of the stuff is in the free pack
now you dont even have to naval invade
Very good
factions are cool but they still havent fixed random countries joining the allies
Is ts good for 120 hours in?
the fact that you are playing as georgios kosmidis is a huge W
and yeah its good
when i had 120 hours i couldnt even defeat turkey
how do i break through this, the russians have 8mil deployed
cas them to death
or frontline nuke
not gonna happen
damn 💀
I’ve played rise of nations in the past, if you’ve heard of it
yeah
Also thanks
sheeps
i played it before
Am I winning the air war guys?
nvm i found 6k planes
can you keep up with production
me?
Why I cant name the faction anymore
no the guy asking if he's winning the air war
k
I'm producing 30 planes a day
11 thousands planes
might want to set cas to only operate in night time before you completely destroy the enemy air first
I lost to netherlands as germany
How does this even happen
Holy
its 1944
Im barely even able to play with cheats
somehow i got cores on north italy and czech and swiss without doing hre
Try to get anti air to get rid of some enemy cas if you have the industry for it. And retreat to strategic defensive lines until the Soviets have no equipment or manpower
i have green air
i pulled 6k fighter out
omd i had no fuel
If you have offensive capabilities try to pull of an encirclement of northern Germany by connecting your territory to the Baltic Sea
does anyone know any working cold war mods
Whats a good TFR amored division?
I have this right now but the organization and hp are lacking
40 width?
whenever i try to break through, they spawn 600 divs out of nowhere
The combat widths are changed
This seems to fit rather well
@stoic ledge bro i did not see binos you meanie
I think they are, I migjt just be dumb
Are plains normally 90 combat width?
well you can click the terrain
70
Ah so I think 40 width is good then
You aren't only fighting in plains
there's a lot of forests and that's why i say what i say
almost is doing a lot of heavy lifting