hoi4-general

[molten forge]

30 usd

[inner iron]

You're supposed to prioritise

[eternal palm]

Or the ones that I actually finish

[azure palm]

what country

[eternal palm]

Russia is a good one

[azure palm]

so the turkish one is out

[eternal palm]

Frances is well balanced

[eternal palm]

Yes 💀

[azure palm]

russia is good

[eternal palm]

Awful

Large and yet small

So flavourless

[azure palm]

yes but incredebly borning to play

[inner iron]

Is the US dollar that shit now

[azure palm]

EXACTLY

[inner iron]

Cause you're getting scammed

[eternal palm]

Polish, Baltics, Netherlands, Brazil, Argentinia

USA or UK is good too

Though USA only the hist branch

[inner iron]

Bulgaria hits hard too

[eternal palm]

Ye

Though kinda complicated

I have a soft spot for Switzerland

It's good

[dusky burrow]

get dalmatia first then you won't just get stuck

[eternal palm]

Just complicated

[dusky burrow]

Or naval invade

[azure palm]

Some of them are just really short. Like look at the UK communist path and tell me thats a path youd enjoy playing

[eternal palm]

I mean, if the political branch isn't bloated you got time for other stuff

[dusky burrow]

japan communist path is very good

[eternal palm]

This is what I mean by well designed.

One branch shouldn't take up 5 years

[dusky burrow]

uk communist path is unfortunately terrible

[eternal palm]

As it does nowadays

[eternal palm]

Ye flavourless

I like Frances tree design. Short trees, so u get to do everything

And then don't have to worry about focuses

[gentle cloak]

What’s dalmatia

[eternal palm]

.....Croatian coast.

Jesus fking christ

[dusky burrow]

no need for taht

[eternal palm]

I thought hoi4 players are good at Geo 😭

[dusky burrow]

But yeah it's that part of croatia that takes up all of the coast

[azure palm]

The thing is, with the UK, their industry path basicly doesnt exist. Most times I sit there and dont know what to do because im already finished with the path

[eternal palm]

It's short but good

It's not filled with 35 day nothing burger focuses

[molten forge]

getting albanias 3rd research slot

[inner iron]

Unfortunately doesn't scale as well anymore since their coal is mid

[eternal palm]

They're fixing that

[split fulcrum]

What is the hoi4 equivalent of aggressive expansion

World tension?

[inner iron]

The French economy in older updates was a snowballing monster

[eternal palm]

Yea

[inner iron]

I always caught up to the US factory count as France

[split fulcrum]

Then that means there are buffs that decrease tension

[eternal palm]

Uh no

[split fulcrum]

Or decrease the amount of tension you get when you do stuff

[eternal palm]

Tension just stays for a long time

[supple summit]

yo lads is mechanized infantry worth it?

[split fulcrum]

Mann

No world tension reduction modifiers

[eternal palm]

For tanks ye

[azure palm]

for coastal defense, absolutely

[inner iron]

For any defence honestly

[supple summit]

wait why are they good for defense and tanks

[azure palm]

yeah, true.

[supple summit]

i understand tanks but why defense

[azure palm]

defense stat is really high

[eternal palm]

They have high base defense and good org and hp

Hp is very important

[inner iron]

Mech has the highest base defence in the game

[supple summit]

ooh

[azure palm]

if you place it in normandy, D-Day will fail

[supple summit]

are they good for attacking as well?

[inner iron]

Only one to probably compare to them are rangers when you finish the sf doctrine to stack defence

[eternal palm]

Nah not really

Not by themselves

[azure palm]

I dont have their stats infront of my eyes but I think the attack stat wasnt good

[eternal palm]

As in, not pure mech

[supple summit]

what about with tanks lets say?

[eternal palm]

36w pure mech gets like 400 soft

[inner iron]

Only good attacking trait of mech is their breakthrough

[eternal palm]

Which is comparable to leg inf

But for like 8x the cost

Even when discounted

[molten forge]

currently only 8 factories with albania

[azure palm]

yeah thats the problem

[eternal palm]

So ye only for defense and in small numbers

[supple summit]

oh shi

[eternal palm]

Unless you wanna produce 200k mech

[azure palm]

@eternal palm Whats your opinion on the Yugoslavia tree?

[eternal palm]

Fine

Very forgettable

Due to its age

[azure palm]

it is kinda overpowerd if you release puppets, let them do their focuses and then annex

[inner iron]

The yugo tree sits on pretty fast air research buffs for a minor

[eternal palm]

Is it op? In relation to other minor trees

Imo very convoluted compared to other minors

[supple summit]

ik you guys say mechanized is good for defense but is there smth i can do which can specialized in both offense and defense? Because the allies regularly naval invade me and I just wanna fight back against them

[azure palm]

yeah I would say so, you get a lot of industry from letting the puppets do their focuses

[eternal palm]

Spgs

[supple summit]

whats that?

[kind vale]

How come I cant push through china at all? I was able to do it yesterday

[supple summit]

the soft attack is insane

holy

[eternal palm]

Well Lithuania can annex Russia by 1940

Whar can yugo do? Get puppets.

[supple summit]

whats that artillery thing?

[eternal palm]

In relation, not that strong

[supple summit]

is that mobile artillery?

[eternal palm]

Spgs.

Self propelled artillery

[supple summit]

oh

ight

cheers

and one more thing

[azure palm]

yeah but the Yugo tree doesnt require any skill at all, wich is good for everyone who isnt good

[inner iron]

Just have a seperate 24 div army of mountaineers heavy on arty as a response force if you want something cheap

They blast with soft attack alone

[supple summit]

actually great idea

[eternal palm]

Well we're not considering skill are we?

Just comparing the trees, yugo falls off hard

Let's take the Netherlands. Gets a formable early, annexes 2 countries

Much stronger than yugo

[supple summit]

oh yeah one more thing should I take the mobile infantry sub-doctorine?

[eternal palm]

Yep

[supple summit]

ok goated

[azure palm]

kinda, lithuania annexing soviets by 1940 might be possible, but not something most people can do. Also, does it have to do something with the tree?

[supple summit]

cheers for the help

[eternal palm]

It's general disposition makes it possible. It gets plc, a lot of cores, manpower, good spirits

[inner iron]

If you do your doctrines right for your special forces and the artillery subdoctrine, you can have your mountaineer division with around 650-700 soft attack per div

[eternal palm]

And then killing Russia is enabled by its strong focus tree

[molten forge]

when does mussolini join hitler

[azure palm]

at some point before anschluss

[eternal palm]

38

[azure palm]

I think

im not sure though

[molten forge]

and what if he still hasnt joined

[eternal palm]

Is it relevant to you?

[azure palm]

then he might be going monarchist path

[molten forge]

am albania

[inner iron]

If you're allied to Germany already, Germany would kill Italy for you

[supple summit]

oh yeah lads should i make some amphibious tanks for marines?

[azure palm]

what country?

[supple summit]

germany

[heavy vigil]

never

[inner iron]

Never seen the need for amphib tanks against AI

[supple summit]

im never able to invade the uk

[heavy vigil]

theyre very expensive for less soft attack than SPGs now

[azure palm]

just build many ships to destroy their entire navy and then invade

[inner iron]

Basic marines with pioneers and 1-2 arty battalions can already trash their garrisons

[supple summit]

I thought arty was bad for naval invasions?

[inner iron]

Heck I'm too lazy to train proper marines and usually invade people with mountaineers because they're seasoned or veteran for me

So they already have gigantic bonuses

[azure palm]

same

Often they are just not needed

[supple summit]

how do i even get more special forces capacity?

[azure palm]

you could also just paradrop into UK and then flood in more divisions

[supple summit]

i forgot about paratroopers

[azure palm]

easy way to kill france. Cheating, but technicly legal

[inner iron]

Special forces doctrines gives you bonuses for certain special forces using less capacity

[molten forge]

done

[inner iron]

Plus you get more capacity with a bigger army

[supple summit]

oh

ight

cheers

[inner iron]

Everytime I finish the mountaineer doctrine, more than half of my army just gets converted to mountaineers lmao

[molten forge]

love being in the axis and not joining wars

[inner iron]

The axis will eat everything around you so idk why you wouldn't do anything at all

[split fulcrum]

Is it possible for Poland and lithuania to unite?

[eternal palm]

Yes

2 Ways

One of which is much stronger than the other

Polish PLC is weak

Lithuanian PLC is mega strong

[inner iron]

Poland is usually stronger as Habsburgs

[split fulcrum]

what the poles do...

[inner iron]

You steal the czech forts, industry and units and kill Germany very early

Polish superpower

[molten forge]

bcs am albania

realistically my non existant army isnt getting 1 point

[kind vale]

Whats the best minor in the game

[buoyant lodge]

why do tanks even exist lol

js push inf with gp

[kind vale]

[finite plume]

Which one would y'all choose

[inner iron]

Prolly Netherlands

[buoyant lodge]

ngl

i'd choose the better option

[split fulcrum]

Gang actually playing as albania

[kind vale]

Hmmmmm maybe I should do a Belgium run

[split fulcrum]

What nations have you played before?

[inner iron]

Belgium is painful

[kind vale]

Nah

[kind vale]

Who

[finite plume]

That's a fire nation

[split fulcrum]

The guy i replied to the message before

[inner iron]

Good luck getting your manpower up

It'll be shit for a long time

[kind vale]

Only till I invade the Netherlands

[molten forge]

what can albania do in ww2 realistically

[split fulcrum]

It can die to italy

[inner iron]

The Netherlands doesn't even have to invade, they annex Belgium and Luxembourg diplomatically

[molten forge]

am still alive

[shrewd hill]

thank you to PDX for the wonderful opportunity to do this completely stupid and pointless achievement

[inner iron]

Nuclear subs?

[finite plume]

Civ-maxxing

[split fulcrum]

Alright this is either your information, or you're doxxing someone

[finite plume]

2nd prob

[shrewd hill]

yeah I love sitting here and waiting until 1956 when all my special projects are done 💀

[split fulcrum]

Yea thats what i had expected

How do you even get a picture of him too???

[inner iron]

I did that 2 days ago and instantly sent 100 missiles to China out of spite

[shrewd hill]

i have two achievements to go after this

[molten forge]

did i just read the british banishing the royal family bruv

[shrewd hill]

the beat China and Japan after declaring <1940 one and the stupid Japanese one where you have to go dem and capitulate Hitler

[finite plume]

Cuba simulator

[split fulcrum]

Thats what happens when you choose non-historic

[molten forge]

The brits are communits

[fallen vigil]

guys how do i beat turkey as greece QUICKLY

it took me until 1940

[molten forge]

the spanish are communist

[shrewd hill]

make good mountaineers, underman your land border and go "oh no! I guess you have to cycle charge me!" then when the Turks are exhausted just send in your mountaineers

[inner iron]

You only rush for the balkan diplomacy and keep relations up with them for free civs, that has you enough economy to scale with mils off the bat

[shrewd hill]

you take Istanbul and then kill all the troops in the tiles north and south of it inside Edirne, then fall back and let the AI walk back in and repeat

[inner iron]

And then rush for the war

[fallen vigil]

thanks any good mountaineer divisions?

[molten forge]

how can i get garrison support to be needed

[shrewd hill]

I use 8/3s cos mountains are 75 width and 25 goes into 75 evenly

that + go down your mountaineer doctrine

right + right

[kind vale]

Whats the best doctrine/subdoctrine for rangers

[inner iron]

Turkey can be easily broken in the edirne pocket trap

You encircle, retreat

Rinse and repeat

[shrewd hill]

booooo I said this stop stealing my words

[inner iron]

Until they're left with like 5 units and you run them over

[inner iron]

I'm blind

[shrewd hill]

1st one depends on your location

[fallen vigil]

do you have a picture cause im dumb and dont understand these terms 😭

[shrewd hill]

if you're fighting in Asia/Latin America pick Jungles

[inner iron]

Division design is 8 mountaineers and 3 artillery battalions

[shrewd hill]

if you're fighting in Europe pick Forests

alternatively

rangers are shit

[kind vale]

Belgium fascist burgundy defending against the axis and allies

[shrewd hill]

use mountaineers

[shrewd hill]

yeah go left then right

left right right

[fallen vigil]

ohhh

thanks

[kind vale]

Rangers give more buffs for forests

[shrewd hill]

yeah but recon rangers + 4th mountaineer doctrine means soft inf goes bye bye

[inner iron]

Rangers only know how to defend

Attack wise they're mid

[kind vale]

Exactly what ima be doing

[fallow pine]

Yo i started out as Lithuania got the king, then poland, livonia and russia and now i got 6million ground army all dying out of attrition while idle help

[shrewd hill]

don't put 200 divisions in the same tile

attrition problems solved

far out am I Napoleon or something

[fallow pine]

All my divs are 24 each and generals and everything assigned

[fallow pine]

Nun like that is happening

[split fulcrum]

Hmm try increasing motorization in supply hubs

[split fulcrum]

Someone threatening my spot?

[kind vale]

Do any main infantry doctrines do anything for special forces?

[shrewd hill]

@tepid nova how dare I claim I am Napoleon when king Space is around

[shrewd hill]

all inf doctrine boosts also add to special forces

but not art obviously

[dusky burrow]

true

[dusky burrow]

not true

[inner iron]

Not true indeed

[dusky burrow]

anything that says inf mot/mech does things for special forces

[inner iron]

I usually have 4 arty in my mountaineers for Europe

[dusky burrow]

so that's most

or leg infantry

[inner iron]

Outside of it, I go pure mountaineers or just 1 arty

[kind vale]

Ahhh okay which would give the most defense buffs?

[molten forge]

btw i got the experimental land facilit as albania

[dusky burrow]

i mean it's probably better just to go pure mountaineers tbh

[shrewd hill]

probably GBP

[dusky burrow]

not the worst decision

[shrewd hill]

oh boy, we have an IC calculator in chat

[dusky burrow]

either you expand or you put a lot of quality into your divs

[kind vale]

Okay what subdoctrines

[dusky burrow]

not even ic

basically adding artillery trades org for soft attack, and it doesn't make much of a difference in that respect

[sand heath]

guys

how to play HOI4?

[inner iron]

I like the soft attack stacked plus I still maintain terrain bonuses to a lesser extent as long as I keep rangers as a support company

[molten forge]

its 1940

[dusky burrow]

also yeah mountaineers obviously have better terrain bonuses than artillery

[molten forge]

bcs i couldnt figure out shit about it

[dusky burrow]

plus better composition bonuses (you know advisors + generals)

[sand heath]

guys how much time did you need to play HOI4 to undertstand it?

[dusky burrow]

mech albania be like

[molten forge]

am doing 1944 gun research rn in tech

[dusky burrow]

nice

[molten forge]

but how does the experimental facility work

[inner iron]

I mean my doctrines decrease the combat width for both mountaineers and arty so I have fat templates anyway

They blast anything in sight

Plus the arty helps me with the sf limit

Means more overall divisions

Instead of having shitter infantry

[dusky burrow]

this is accounting for the artillery decrease

from 3 to 2.2

infantry just gets so much better buffs

[molten forge]

Mind if I ask how does a experimental facility work

I was hoping to make Albania a bit more advanced in military

[shrewd hill]

so what you want to do is research flame tanks and absolutely nothing else

hope this helped

[dusky burrow]

basically first you need research points

you get that from the facility with idle scientists

and research

and then once you do you need to unlock prerequisite techs

It's pretty self-explanatory, if you can't find it just click on the facility

[molten forge]

Am Albania, too broke

[shadow girder]

what does scorched earth do when it is blocked in custom game settings?

[molten forge]

It has guns does it?

[inner iron]

You can research better bunkers as Albania

And larp as Enver

[dusky burrow]

no but it does take supply

[dusky burrow]

for albania probably military engineering vehicles instead

[molten forge]

So my infantry focused ass should've have gotten a air one since I have a air force instead?

[inner iron]

An air force as Albania is a brave dream

[dusky burrow]

i mean the air ones are typically less useful than the land ones

[inner iron]

Only the more advanced air tech like axial jet engines and supersonic jets are useful

[molten forge]

So just support stuff?

[inner iron]

But that's endgame stuff

[molten forge]

Am in 1940

[inner iron]

Jets are 1945 stuff

[dusky burrow]

yeah and it takes 7 to get all the way there

you can get them earlier than 1945 though

[inner iron]

Can as a major like the US or Germany

Otherwise unlikely

[dusky burrow]

true

[heavy vigil]

1941/42 for US

[cinder ice]

guys how do i do naval invasions im new to the game

im producing convoys and gave my troops orders

but nothing is happening

[echo mesa]

do you have supremacy?

[cinder ice]

ah i need naval supremecy?

[echo mesa]

yesss

[cinder ice]

ok ok

and after i get it they will just naval invade?

[echo mesa]

and then you should be good to go :)

[cinder ice]

ok ty

[echo mesa]

yes they should

[echo mesa]

no problem

[azure palm]

who are you trying to invade?

[cinder ice]

Uk...

[azure palm]

as germany I assume?

[cinder ice]

Yes

[azure palm]

How are you trying to invade? Like, from where?

[pastel hearth]

would anyone be down to show me how to play hoi4?

[azure palm]

ask Chak, maybe he wants to play hoi4 with you

[pastel hearth]

whos chak?

[azure palm]

just ask @ chak

[indigo field]

So I saw the patch notes and it said they will release soon and I hope that's later today soon.

Games kinda broken rn

[viscid swift]

guys will 36 divisions be enough to hold the soviets as finland?

[split fulcrum]

@tepid nova its time for war.

[azure palm]

Get more. The Soviets start the game with 138

[split fulcrum]

do they have skis?

[tepid nova]

this man boutta loose everything

[viscid swift]

who has skis

what skis

(yes im probably stupid)

[split fulcrum]

operation barbarossa

[azure palm]

ANGETRETEN!

[tepid nova]

I can already tell you lost that shit

[split fulcrum]

how should i plan it

[tepid nova]

Zurück

[tepid nova]

same way you do poland

Field marshal front line

[split fulcrum]

thats what i did

[tepid nova]

all armies attached to field marshal and frontline

[split fulcrum]

its 2 field marshals

[tepid nova]

Oh
place the other one in romania then

Unless you didnt ally with them..

You did right?

[split fulcrum]

one second

[tepid nova]

no way

[split fulcrum]

theyre democratic

[azure palm]

Wasnt it that the AI cant deal well with 2 fronts?

[split fulcrum]

dude i genuinely remeber

letting them in

who was that then

[azure palm]

they constantly switch sides

Romania

they are like italy

[eternal palm]

March 41, Historical

[azure palm]

yeah... totally historical...

[split fulcrum]

@tepid nova this aint good

[eternal palm]

Hist mode, the joke didnt land

[wet coyote]

how bro looks at me after almost having a crash at 175 KMH

[azure palm]

pardon? THAT is historical?

[eternal palm]

Historical mode.

Hist focuses enabled.

jesus

[heavy vigil]

its so boring to play

in vanilla

how do people do it

[wet coyote]

why i cant upload a meme of hoi4?

but i can upload one of fernando alonso

[azure palm]

I always play vanilla but historical focuses off

[tepid nova]

I see why
You have no equipment

[split fulcrum]

i have a dream

hope

a plan

[solemn bay]

Is this new?

I miss my equipment conversion tech

[split fulcrum]

aww come on

[cinder ice]

nevermind I kinda figured it out and the uk is mine

[lucid roost]

do you have -10 000 tanks? 😭

[azure palm]

good job

[cinder ice]

Ty

[split fulcrum]

not far off

[lucid roost]

😭😭😭

[split bane]

💀

[lucid roost]

show me your logistics please @split fulcrum

[split fulcrum]

bad

[lucid roost]

-7k tanks

[azure palm]

HOW

WHY

[lucid roost]

tank divs with 0 tanks

raaaa

[tulip thorn]

Your troops be using their fists

[split bane]

Wait hold on @split fulcrum why do you have anti air in your garrisons

[split fulcrum]

why do you think i know

i have anti air in my garrisons?

[split bane]

Change your garrisons bro

[lucid roost]

your tank divisions would smoke them

[split fulcrum]

how

[lucid roost]

but you do not have tanks nor mechanised

same with infantry

[split bane]

Click on your flag and go to occupied territories in the row under your focus but above your laws/advisors and change it there

[viscid swift]

how do u do ts

how do u manage

to do something

like this

[split fulcrum]

ohh

im using the infantry template for it

which has anti air in it

[split bane]

Well you should have more aa now

[split fulcrum]

im changin it to cav template

[split fulcrum]

wanna see alotta red boxes?

there you go

[viscid swift]

i dont think so

[split fulcrum]

the more you look at it the worse it gets

[viscid swift]

u should be able to push through that if u had guns

[split fulcrum]

if

if i had guns

[dusky burrow]

why do you have aa in a garrison div

[split fulcrum]

i changed that

[viscid swift]

damn

i have 2-3 months to prepare

for the soviets

[eternal palm]

aaaaand 42

Lithuania is broken 🥱

[hasty linden]

china is kinda broken

[molten forge]

Am playing albania and I haven't expanded

[molten forge]

Holy pp

[hasty linden]

i could probably go to 4.50 pp

[fading elk]

Better then -20k

I know that pain

[molten forge]

Wanna play albania

[fading elk]

(Losing 40 full med tank divs)

[hasty linden]

nah

[fading elk]

Proceeds to replace them with 80 a month later

[molten forge]

Why not, you seem like a pro

[hasty linden]

busy playing china

also uh

i am not the best in hoi4

[molten forge]

Am new still

I suck at attacking

[hasty linden]

idk about plan and tank things

i just recently got the dlcs

[molten forge]

Albania has no special tree so it's not hard to understand it

[hasty linden]

but tbf i have 2.3k hours in hoi4

[tulip thorn]

Play canada

They have a special tree, thats pretty simple and easy to understand

[buoyant lodge]

yooo u got it

[molten forge]

Am just playing albania cus it seemed in a ok spot to attack greece

[viscid swift]

yo guys will the ussr ever stop attacking finland in the winter war if they're holding?

[molten forge]

Wanna play albania

[tulip thorn]

Yeah what sucks about albania is

Italy will always annex

you

Or try to

[molten forge]

I am part of the axis

[tulip thorn]

hmmm

[split fulcrum]

hmmm

[molten forge]

Same with italy

[split fulcrum]

@tulip thorn besides factories

how do i get weapons

and besides lend leases

[tulip thorn]

You can cap enemy nations

[slow tiger]

peace treaties

[molten forge]

Steal

[tulip thorn]

You get a % of their stockpile

[split fulcrum]

is that it?

[tulip thorn]

You can also use equipment capture ratio

[split fulcrum]

i can only war norway

and i dont have naval dominance

to get there

[slow tiger]

who u playing as

mabye my 278 hrs can help

[split fulcrum]

germany

[slow tiger]

paratroopers

[tulip thorn]

maintenance company gives you equipment capture ratio

[slow tiger]

or js delete ur cheeks divs

[tulip thorn]

The higher it is the more guns you gain from battles

[slow tiger]

dont attack on low equip

[tulip thorn]

Its very niche

but can help sometimes

[split fulcrum]

i can only attack norway

[slow tiger]

its ass basically

[split fulcrum]

and i dont think norway got 40k equipment

that i can take

[molten forge]

Btw what's a good experimental option for infantry based army

[split fulcrum]

i have no idea buddy

i dont even know what that is

[molten forge]

You don't have 250+ hours gng

[split fulcrum]

he has

not me

largemaster46

[slow tiger]

huh

[molten forge]

Mb, talking about experimental facilities

[slow tiger]

oh i dont

how do i check

[split fulcrum]

steam

[slow tiger]

oh

[split fulcrum]

you click on the game in library

[slow tiger]

i mean im not ass at the game tho

i js play kaiserredux

not base

[molten forge]

Land experimental facilities, I just need to know what is there that's good for infantry

[dusky burrow]

Yeah

[molten forge]

I am gonna be getting night vision

[dusky burrow]

very good if you have a port to cheeze like Yugoslavia

But otherwise not so

[crystal marsh]

so this is a thing now

[molten forge]

Export cheese internationally?

[dusky burrow]

in any case the enemy's equipment is probably worse

[dusky burrow]

no you turn a port into cheese

[slow tiger]

the way to win as germany is too spam medium tanks and pray the uks navy doesnt do anything

[split fulcrum]

i need equipment

[gritty leaf]

how do I get more range for my ships? why is this area red if I have their HQ port close by?

[split fulcrum]

any equipment

i have a 40k deficit

[molten forge]

You export cheese with that port

[molten forge]

What you playing?

[split fulcrum]

germany

[molten forge]

How many mills

[dusky burrow]

set your supply base to one of the islands

you're probably basing your ships in japan

[gritty leaf]

I have the hq in truk on one of them

[dusky burrow]

huh

[dusky burrow]

pov me when converting 100+ divisions to special forces

[split fulcrum]

it aint enough

i need more

way way more

i need those x5

to become x10

[molten forge]

Maybe you change some civs to mills

[dusky burrow]

maybe drop the destroyers too but idk

[dusky burrow]

add them back later on once war starts

[molten forge]

What weapon is that

[split fulcrum]

infatry eq

mp 38

[molten forge]

Can I see tech for it, am curious

[dusky burrow]

it should be gun 2

[split fulcrum]

gun 3

[dusky burrow]

well it's labeled basic, gun 1, and then gun 2 in game

and the last is gun 3

[split fulcrum]

hmmm

[dusky burrow]

so yeah confusing

[split fulcrum]

so gweher 98 is gun 0

[molten forge]

This in theory stronger than gun 3 in like latvia?

[split fulcrum]

printf("quite interesting")

[dusky burrow]

no

obviously not

[split fulcrum]

no

gun 3 is more advanced

[dusky burrow]

but at the same time latvia doesn't have much steel

[split fulcrum]

therefor

[molten forge]

I mean the gun alone

[split fulcrum]

i feel like this requires testing

[radiant hawk]

Pretty sure when it’s f string it’s like print (f”..”)

[split fulcrum]

with a gun

[split fulcrum]

i dunno

[molten forge]

May I know the year

[split fulcrum]

in C its printf

[split fulcrum]

the second of june

1949

1940*

[radiant hawk]

Oh for python it’s print(f”)

[molten forge]

Am in 1940 with max guns in infantry but my dumbass went a plane route without jets

[split fulcrum]

dyde

dude

jets in 1940

genuinely insane

just imagine

[molten forge]

I went with heavy fighters

[azure palm]

comrades, what Nation should I play this time?

[molten forge]

Albania

[azure palm]

No.

Was a horrible idea...

[molten forge]

What me to give a serious pick?

[azure palm]

yes, and dont you dare say estonia

[molten forge]

I don't know but is south Africa bad

[azure palm]

they have a worse focus tree than estonia

[molten forge]

Estonia has the basic one

[azure palm]

Really?

No?

[molten forge]

Then I don't have the dlc

[split fulcrum]

maybe without dlcs

[dusky burrow]

i don't think they're much better actually

[molten forge]

Wb chile

[azure palm]

You would need no step back

[dusky burrow]

as in jet engine ~ engine 3

[azure palm]

Okay

[finite plume]

Which one y'all think is stronger

I personally say the first one ngl

[split fulcrum]

the one with more green

[finite plume]

I'm colorblind

[dusky burrow]

yeah

the first one is so much worse

[split fulcrum]

see

[dusky burrow]

fair

[split fulcrum]

go with the green choice

[finite plume]

Y'all don't fw the +30% accidents?

🥀

[dusky burrow]

30% accidents omg

rip training

[molten forge]

I heard Chile has a huge ass formable

[dusky burrow]

is this like the ottoman navy in 1903 or something

[split fulcrum]

you can kick out the colonisers

[finite plume]

No, custom nation

[molten forge]

And own south and north America?

[finite plume]

Worst part is it's a naval major 🥀

[split fulcrum]

if you win

[molten forge]

But it has a path for it I believe

[azure palm]

they can core all of america

can

[sudden thistle]

Is it with ur mod which looks like a really big Denmark

[finite plume]

Mayhaps

[molten forge]

Perfect path for you my friend

[finite plume]

This country

Imagine a big navy

But using 50's-60's ships in 2015

🥀

[azure palm]

No. i am gonna play the communist path to unify south america and there is nothing you can do to stop me

I am not gonna conquer the USA and Britain

[fluid harness]

uhh chat

is it normal my hoi4 keeps crashing randomly ?

[molten forge]

Ok

Its your choice?

[molten forge]

Happens to me, doesn't corrupt any fikes

*files

@azure palm can Chile afford a airforce

[split fulcrum]

if you win

airforce is required

if you want to win

[molten forge]

The first battle?

[split fulcrum]

all of the war

[molten forge]

He also needs physic experimental facilities?

[split fulcrum]

physic?

[molten forge]

Nukes

[split fulcrum]

physical?

[molten forge]

Different thing

[split fulcrum]

i dont think you need nukes

[split fulcrum]

physics?

[molten forge]

Yea

For nuked

Nukes

[split fulcrum]

bro i feel like my brain finna explode

im wearing a jacket

and still cold

[azure palm]

not at the start

I have 2 mils

[molten forge]

Wb civs?

[molten forge]

I am inside and still cold

[heavy vigil]

yeah

[molten forge]

It has 2 mills tho

[heavy vigil]

make more

[molten forge]

Does it have lots of civs?

[heavy vigil]

take uruguay and brasil

[split fulcrum]

@heavy vigil help

i got 69 factories on the job

[heavy vigil]

dont battleplan

[tulip thorn]

Do you have dlc?

[heavy vigil]

dont waste gun on bad garrison

[tulip thorn]

Like the south america one

[molten forge]

Am not doing it rn, someone else is

[split fulcrum]

i got cav

for garrison

cav regiment

[molten forge]

@azure palm is doing it

[tulip thorn]

oh ok

didnt see that

If you dont have an industry just make one

[molten forge]

Am playing Albania

And like it's ass a bit

[split fulcrum]

noo brooo

[finite plume]

Anyone else find state borders that perfectly follow a river satisfying or is it just me

[split fulcrum]

italy warred greece

its already red

[tulip thorn]

I do

[finite plume]

Like this for example

[molten forge]

My current limitation is the lack of civs rn

[tulip thorn]

One of the main reasons why I think the rhineland should have better states

[molten forge]

Should I build civs

[tulip thorn]

no

[molten forge]

But it's my only limitation

[tulip thorn]

Just conquer them

[molten forge]

With Albania?

[finite plume]

I love HOI4 logic

[tulip thorn]

take them from yugo, and greece

[finite plume]

"Why make it yourself when you can just STEAL!" 🗣️

[tulip thorn]

Well if you in the axis just take yugo

[molten forge]

Ok

[daring geyser]

Naval Speed is one of the most important stats in naval battles, it isn't just about how fast your fleet moves but it is also a factor to naval damage

the right one is better, -20% naval speed is way, wayy too heavy

not to mention the other debuffs lol

[molten forge]

And I won't die cus I am barely militarised due to size?

[finite plume]

Minor setback 🗿

They get some decent bonuses in their political tree tho

So ig that helps to make up for the sheer lag-behind

[molten forge]

What's the country

[tulip thorn]

Playing albania when your a new player is crazy

[finite plume]

Custom, doesn't exist

[tulip thorn]

so probably

[molten forge]

Ok

[molten forge]

Why, it's Albania

[tulip thorn]

The yugo army will wipe the floor with you before germany and italy destroy them

[tulip thorn]

Albania is very very weak

[finite plume]

Usually minor countries for new players, especially ones without content is very difficult

[molten forge]

I have Hitler on my side

[tulip thorn]

low factory count, very few building slots and low manpower

[finite plume]

Also Albania gets pressured by Italy even in the Axis

[tulip thorn]

Italy will still try to annex you

[molten forge]

I am a fascist and I did the boost of relation with them

[finite plume]

If it's historical they won't care

[molten forge]

It isnt

[finite plume]

PDX doesn't really make checks for opinion

[tulip thorn]

High relations dont do anything in hoi4

[finite plume]

God help you

[molten forge]

Why

[finite plume]

Your PC will be screaming in an hour or so

[molten forge]

In what year?

[finite plume]

With Non-Historical, any honestly

[molten forge]

We have communist British here

[fossil dragon]

just got all china achivements in one run

[tulip thorn]

The uk went communist 💀

[finite plume]

Also @tulip thorn, this look like a decent early civil war tree?

[tulip thorn]

its over for your cpu

[tulip thorn]

yeah

[finite plume]

It's more for flavor rather than actually necessary to live

[molten forge]

Spain as well

[tulip thorn]

Spain being communist dont matter

the british decolonize when communist

[molten forge]

Us is as well I think

[tulip thorn]

The us is just weak when communist

thats about it

The british communist ai decolonize

[molten forge]

Ok

Also Greece is communist

[tulip thorn]

And that makes the game very very slow

Because more nations are free

[molten forge]

And that doesn't ruin my save file?

[tulip thorn]

no

it just makes the game lag and possibly crash more

[ornate gorge]

They still haven't fixed not being able to make proper frontlines against commie china

even after releasing a dlc about asia

[molten forge]

Also creating factions feels a bit useless

[wicked sentinel]

How do i get rid of a country naval blockading me?

[tribal frost]

you ask nicely

[tulip thorn]

You dont

[wicked sentinel]

thanks paradox!

[molten forge]

Btw what if I wanna make a airforce as Albania

Like heavy fighters 3 type of navy

[tulip thorn]

Good luck

[next yarrow]

How do i add specific traits to generals (console command) which isn't using "Allowtraits"?

[molten forge]

Like that's why I wanna build civs

Have enough to buy resources and produce planes

[tulip thorn]

Albania just doesnt have the build slots and industry to build planes at all

[molten forge]

I have max infrastructure in some places

They Def can have like a spot or 2 left

[tulip thorn]

That just boosts construction speed in that state

[molten forge]

Ik

But I got all the national focus civs and mills

And that gives like 3-6 spots right?

[tulip thorn]

Just play a dif nation if you want to learn better

[molten forge]

Am already at 1940

[tulip thorn]

Albania is not it

[molten forge]

But at least I wanna end the run

[tulip thorn]

Well good luck

[molten forge]

+isn't like 4 civs enough to make a airforce

[tulip thorn]

No

For good trade you need like 30

[molten forge]

For a nation like mine

[tulip thorn]

not even close

[molten forge]

Against someone like greece

[tulip thorn]

Greece is weirdly strong sometimes

[molten forge]

Communist Greece

[tulip thorn]

They have forts and a big army

[molten forge]

And a big airforce?

[tulip thorn]

They are still strong

[tulip thorn]

They have a navy

and they have some air

[molten forge]

I can gain air superiority on them maybe?

[tulip thorn]

You are not building all that many planes as albania

[molten forge]

After all am using heavy fighters 3 against normal fighters

[molten forge]

Does the tech difference not make a change?

Don't think a nation like Greece has heavily developed airforce

[tulip thorn]

I dont know anything about air before bba

[molten forge]

Before what

[tulip thorn]

By blood alone

the dlc that added plane designer

[molten forge]

Ooh

[molten forge]

Well, does the AI develop navy or planes usually?

[tepid nova]

Twins ✌️

[molten forge]

Like AI can't develop navy or airforce can it?

[tulip thorn]

it can

[molten forge]

I guess I will find out

[azure palm]

I love the Spanish Civil War. Its so easy to train up divisions.

[molten forge]

Hows playing Chile?

[azure palm]

Actually fun. I am micromanaging the spanish civil war and winning it.

[molten forge]

We're debating if Albania can make a airforce strong enough against Greece, what do you think

[split fulcrum]

albania cant beat greece

[azure palm]

No

Wont happen

[split fulcrum]

@tepid nova i seem to have done something

no longer in an infatry eq deficit

my troops now actually have guns!!!!

i still need to get that tank number up

[molten forge]

I have up to date planes

[tepid nova]

you need to stop offensives, change garrison template or remove support companies because you are running out of it all

[split fulcrum]

also i managed to lose more troops to greece than to france

[split fulcrum]

garrison template is cav template

base cav

[molten forge]

Greece just goated

[split fulcrum]

the ai cheesed that athena defense so hard

[molten forge]

Does Greece have strong airforce?

[split fulcrum]

no

greece is small

[molten forge]

Cus am gonna prep heavy fighters 3 against him as albania

[split fulcrum]

insane

3 heavy fighters?

[molten forge]

Nah

Like up to date 1940s heavy fighters

Idk how many

[split fulcrum]

and how do you expect to get 1940s heavy fighers

in 1936

[molten forge]

Am in 1940

[split fulcrum]

wha

t

have you expanded

[molten forge]

Nope

I simply realistically couldnt

[split fulcrum]

what did you do in those 4 years then

[split fulcrum]

because youre albania

[molten forge]

Tech, national focuses, not die to itsly

Trying to increase manpower gain

[molten forge]

The issue is that divisions train slow

And Albania has 1 at the start

[split fulcrum]

i dont doubt

[molten forge]

One singular division

[dim hazel]

with all the money we are giving paradox why cant they make a hearts of iron 4 movie

[split fulcrum]

thats called a ww2 documentary

[molten forge]

Cus that's just any ww2 movie

[dim hazel]

mate i said a hoi4 movie not a ww2 documentary

like

[split fulcrum]

ww2 documentary

[molten forge]

Unless you wanna see communist British and democratic soviet somehow

[split fulcrum]

with hoi4 map

[dim hazel]

they gotta add jokes about how navy is hard

i need a hoi4 movie

with hoi4 jokes

[azure palm]

Viva España!

[kind vale]

Japan and Germany just killed the soviets

[azure palm]

I DID IT! I SAVED SPAIN

[dim hazel]

paradox pls gotta make a hoi4 movie

[molten forge]

British is communist here

[azure palm]

Dont tell me they formed the "British Communist Alternative"

[kind vale]

Nah uk is democratic

[molten forge]

Not here sir

[molten forge]

Idk

Why?

[crystal marsh]

3.70 daily pp while taking a focus

[dim hazel]

PLS HOI4 MAKE A MOVIE

[keen vale]

guys can anyone help me?

[molten forge]

@split fulcrum heavy fighters 3 are 1944 tech

[split fulcrum]

yes

@tepid nova oooo

i have a single actually good panzer division

this is not good

[molten forge]

So like I think I stand a small chance

[split fulcrum]

ok

[tepid nova]

you have way too many panzers compared to equipment

you are overextending you're capabilities

[split fulcrum]

i can merge em

[azure palm]

Its the worst faction name there is

[molten forge]

Ok

[molten forge]

Guess the amount of divisions I have rn in albania

[hushed vortex]

lowk imma try siberian tiger or whatever that one badge is called

[molten forge]

Also fun fact, Albania has no starting airforce

[warped flint]

wait where did conversion tech go

[ripe slate]

Integrated into other techs

[warped flint]

ohh

[hushed vortex]

im trying siberian tiger

@dusk canyon

[split fulcrum]

@tepid nova its getting late...

september 1941

i havent started barbarossa

problem is

[tepid nova]

How are you so slow

[split fulcrum]

i basically dont have panzers

[tepid nova]

Then go without them

[azure palm]

20?

[split fulcrum]

hmmm

[molten forge]

Bye what does special forces do more exactly?

[split fulcrum]

how bad is fighting in the winder

winter

[molten forge]

Half cus it's slow as hell

[split fulcrum]

in this game

[azure palm]

ahh

[molten forge]

Also, what does special forces focus tree do?

It's in the army effort

[cosmic pine]

Are militia useful with People's militia doctrine along with this focus?

[molten forge]

Turkey getting cooked by Greece

[hushed vortex]

@queen lava send mod

@queen lava mod pls

[dusky burrow]

oof the casualties

[dusky burrow]

You can't edit Japanese militias i believe

[boreal crest]

yooooooo

just beat the uk for the first time

[cosmic pine]

Ah ok

[boreal crest]

im learning navy boys

actually a W

[dusky burrow]

But the communist chinese militias are editable, so it is very useable for them

[split fulcrum]

@tepid nova they own the skies

they got so many planes

[cosmic pine]

So I'm better off picking some other infantry doctrine?

[molten forge]

i accidentally invited allies against yugo and now i only got kosovo

[dusky burrow]

Yeah

question, do you want to build tank forces

[cosmic pine]

What if I say yes?

[dusky burrow]

mobile infantry would be good in that scenario, assault infantry isn't bad either

[cosmic pine]

Alrighty then

[tepid nova]

DId you not make airplanes?

[split fulcrum]

dude

im broke

also im losing

[tepid nova]

JUst surrender 💔

[split fulcrum]

i started the war like 3 months ago

already lost 1.3m

they lost 300k or 400k

[molten forge]

should i try beat kingdom of hungary without allise

[azure palm]

I am losing against Argentina

[hushed vortex]

someones a imposter

[frank estuary]

Tannu Tuva is on demon time this game, wtf.

[tepid nova]

Yes I enabled localised city names, so all cities have their local names instead of english

[hushed vortex]

hey im playing temu tuva!

[split fulcrum]

@tepid nova i think imma go to bed

I can savescum that again

I need to rebuild my panzers too

And a ton more planes

The soviets have so many troops

Every time i win a battle they come with more

[tepid nova]

Goodnight my little Napoleon

[azure palm]

¡Viva Chile!

I SEE A LOT OF RED BUBBLES

[molten forge]

this is my enemy btw

and no rive

what idiotism is this

[azure palm]

Super fair WW2

[molten forge]

@dusky burrow wth do i do to fix this

[meager valley]

You basically always want to start south and work your way up the coast when fighting Argentina as Chile

Better supply

Easier to get encirclements

[azure palm]

Yeah, well, it was the first time I tried

[meager valley]

Did you lose? That was a lot of red 😭