hoi4-general

[inner iron]

Because both of their AI's are trigger happy to naval invade

[pseudo saddle]

I personally love Navy LARP so I dont play italy too optimally

I want my navy dopamine

[slender pelican]

people know how to navy?

[pseudo saddle]

Im still adjusting to the new system ngl that can be a little buggy

[slender pelican]

i thought it was just deathstacking and hoping for the best

[inner iron]

I know how to navy in different styles

[azure palm]

Not really. I just know more ships equals more superiority means I can do naval invasions

[inner iron]

Depends on my circumstances and research

[pseudo saddle]

However imo the new system has made underway replenishment way more useful

Extending your range is immense now

Especially 60% if you take the iteration

[azure palm]

Im always going invisible submarines and hope for the best

[pseudo saddle]

Britains face when fighting modern stealth subs in 1940

Imo anechoic tiles should be an improved sub requirement

Aka the 1939 sub

[inner iron]

I build a mix of torpedo destroyers, light attack cruisers and battle cruisers with mix of heavy and secondary batteries

[pseudo saddle]

Anechoic tiles are INSANELY strong

[slender pelican]

submarines and naval bombers 🔥

[azure palm]

I mostly just go Infantry with tanks, CAS and Fighters, and submarines.

Sometimes bombers for nuke

[slender pelican]

meat wall

[mild hazel]

[azure palm]

Also I never built a carrier in my life

[pseudo saddle]

Would recommend

Recent changes make carriers WAY stronger

Even just one to provide some air cover

[mild hazel]

I just deathstack patrolling with destroyers, deathstack convoy raid with my subs and then deathstack everything else on strike force

[pseudo saddle]

Pretty much what you do now

[inner iron]

Carriers are only worth if you have it fully stacked with airfields

[weary whale]

I'm starting fire rises for thr 1st time, any tips

[pseudo saddle]

Two deathstacks of light cruisers and destroyers and the biggest strike force

[inner iron]

The default starting carriers are trash

[pseudo saddle]

I like to put one armor on it

Then again I am British so I do like my armored carriers lmao

[inner iron]

Speed is better than armor in a lot of cases

[mild hazel]

Bo'o o' wa'er

Im so funny

[pseudo saddle]

Oh 100% I just enjoying larping and trying to make actual templates and stuff

Try to mimic the ship

[slender pelican]

quick italy is invading north africa send 20 trillion divisions to egypt

[pseudo saddle]

Japans attacking Malaya? Ignore that and garrison Jamaica

[inner iron]

Literally what the allies do against Italy

[mild hazel]

Send my entire army to ethiopia at the beginning to low diff them in 1 month

[pseudo saddle]

Remember back in the time where you could land in Britain and the AI would still garrison the Falklands or smth

I will take my random insignificant island and die on this hill

[analog ivy]

new updateee

4 mins ago

[mild hazel]

Foreshadowing

[mild hazel]

Just read the patch notes

Seems ok

[inner iron]

I once switched over to the British AI to see it having battleplans over the US instead of defending their island

[analog ivy]

i can't read it cause of my adhd brain but i see coal mentioned a bunch

so that makes me think that they fixed it?

[pseudo saddle]

Then they did that one update and suddenly the British AI absolutely DEATH BATTLES you on the home island

[mild hazel]

They REALLY felt angry for 1812 ok? Let them be

[pseudo saddle]

You land and the UK just decides to Banzai charge you CONSTANTLY

[inner iron]

The British are semi hardcoded to deploy 20 divs on London when you land

Like somehow they just have it ready to deploy on the second

[mild hazel]

Don't they get events that spawn troops?

[pseudo saddle]

Oh is that why it seems like the British AI just spawns stuff lol

They just have 20 trained divs ready

And the moment you land they just spawn that

Germans on Dover watching 20 million British men just spawn in

[inner iron]

Yea cause once I landed with light tanks and speedran it and actually saw the 20 divs spawn

[analog ivy]

idk i haven't experienced that

[true solstice]

hey guys my game just updated in the steam library, did hoi4 just get a patch?

[analog ivy]

i've only experienced just not being able to land at all because there are 500 divs on every coastal tile

[mild hazel]

UK is meant to be the final boss so its fair

[mild hazel]

Yes #hearts-of-iron-news

Sorry wrong msg

[mild hazel]

Meant to respond to this

[inner iron]

A really pitiful one considering I tend to have 3-5k cas over them and instaclick tiles

[analog ivy]

eh if you fight them earlier then 1941 then its really easy to beat them

[true solstice]

just saw that, i didn't realise a patch was involved

i thought it was just another useless announcement

[true solstice]

the usa is the final boss after 1940

but yeah, uk is just ridiculously powerful

[mild hazel]

The restart run is the final boss

Any game where I haven't taken uk out before 1940 is a dead run

[inner iron]

I have worse experiences invading a unified China in 1945 because instead of building up their states and supply, they just build all the guns in the world

The US is easy to counter cause they run out of steam with no airforce

Especially when you cut off their rubber trade

The AI never builds refineries

[true solstice]

yeah that's true

[inner iron]

And they never develop their chromium so their tanks are also shit

[true solstice]

yeah that's also true

literally ruined my One Empire run around a year ago

the final enemy was China and even with the USA, Canada, South Africa, Oceania, and all of Europe cored, I still couldn't take them down

granted, I didn't use CAS at the time, only terrible motorised or mechanised or something, but still

that's when i learned the golden rule of hoi4

[inner iron]

You can only kill them with mountaineers who only slightly sip supply

[true solstice]

if you need to beat both china and japan, first defeat china, then defeat japan with its chinese puppet

[true solstice]

i could have killed them with CAS and tanks had i had enough of those but i was a dumbass

[inner iron]

Your mech runs out of fuel in China

[true solstice]

i didn't make it into china.

[mild hazel]

[robust vale]

Can somebody tell me a cool 2 players 2 nations run

[true solstice]

they pushed me out of indochina and outer manchuria

[robust vale]

Like what could be 2 cool nations to play as together

[true solstice]

soviet union and communist hungary, japan and manchukuo, china and northeastern army, uk and france, germany and italy, soviet union and spain

[viscid swift]

For the love of God if hoi4 will add gold because of u i will stick a Copper rod up ur ass

[fallen vigil]

germany or the US realistically since they both have a two front war

[robust vale]

To play as allies not enemies

[true solstice]

ethiopia and aussa, germany and austria-hungary, canada and mexico, portugal and spain, czechoslovakia and bulgaria

[robust vale]

I mean those are cool but majority as kinda unbalanced imo

[true solstice]

larping with your best friend is a fun thing to do

balance is not for 2-player games unless you're doing a 1v1

in which case, do germany vs. soviets, japan vs. china, germany vs. britain, etc. etc. etc.

make your own adventure

hoi4 has so much you can do

the limit is literally your own imagination

[inner iron]

Porto brazil and carlist spain/spanish monarchy france

[azure palm]

they wont even add anything that you can gain from owning the suez and panama channel!

why should they add gold

[true solstice]

i had a friend of mine literally make me a custom mod that gives the italian states (sardinia-piedmont, tuscany, etc.) a button to reunite italy and core greater italian claims so we could do a 1v1 as sardinia-piedmont and prussia

[inner iron]

Alternatively nationalist Spain left path has a thing to puppet parts of latin america which is a decent jumping point to face the US

[true solstice]

yeah those could actually work

[viscid swift]

Idk

[true solstice]

carlist spain and habsburg hungary

[robust vale]

Mhhh

[true solstice]

poland and finland

[viscid swift]

I Just wanted to say the Copper rod thing

[viscid swift]

Did someone say POLSKA? 🇵🇱

[robust vale]

Alr those are cool

[wicked haven]

did the coal patch drop?

[true solstice]

bro wanted to make threats

[true solstice]

no

i said poland

in english

[viscid swift]

Yk u cant commit warcrimes in yugoslavia anymore

[true solstice]

yea bro

just make it up as you go along

get in a vc with your friend and make stupid suggestions to ragebait him or her

and eventually you guys will come to a suggestion that actually sounds fun

[split fulcrum]

@tepid nova i defeated the dutch in 12 days

[tepid nova]

Irl or in game..?

[true solstice]

you know iceland is responsible for that?

[split fulcrum]

Ingame

[true solstice]

i swear to god iceland is the worst country in hoi4

[split fulcrum]

Do you want me to do it irl?

[tepid nova]

Phew!! Congrats twin

[tepid nova]

No

[true solstice]

you're supposed to cap the uk as iceland for an achievement

what the hell is even that

what the f is a kilometer

[tiny fulcrum]

Where do you play multiplayer

[tiny fulcrum]

What

[inner iron]

I did that pretty easily

[true solstice]

me? or who are you asking

[tiny fulcrum]

Just asking

[true solstice]

what's a kilometer

i only know MILES 🇺🇸

[tiny fulcrum]

It’s 1000 meters

[true solstice]

fair enough

[tiny fulcrum]

0,62 miles =0,998 kilometers

[true solstice]

i play multiplayer with my irl best friend, or with online pals on my private server

[true solstice]

what does that even mean bruh

[tiny fulcrum]

1 kilometer =0,621 miles

[true solstice]

that's some european nonsense right there

[tiny fulcrum]

Anyway

[true solstice]

nah that's eu propaganda

kilometers don't exist

[tiny fulcrum]

I’ve seen multiplayer options but I can’t join the server

[true solstice]

that private server is a hellhole

[tiny fulcrum]

I’m new

[true solstice]

what do you mean?

[weary whale]

Guys I'm playing fire rises for the 1st time, pls give tips

[tiny fulcrum]

YOO

Im good at Ron

Just

[true solstice]

how

teach me your tricks, magician

[tiny fulcrum]

Go static lines

Always

[true solstice]

you mean in hoi4?

those are just public servers

[weary whale]

I have no idea what anything here means

[true solstice]

usually you play mp with people you know

you host a game, send them the code, they join, and then you play together

[true solstice]

why are you literally benito gasolini

[wicked haven]

Is it worth making SHBB as Romania to dominate the black sea

[weary whale]

What I do bru, I dont understand anything

[true solstice]

holy mother of mods what is that

[tiny fulcrum]

Idk anyone who plays hoi4, are there ppl who host servers?

[true solstice]

yeah of course, on this discord server the vcs are usually pretty active with mp games, there's people doing multiplayer in #historical-multiplayer and #alt-history-multiplayer

[tiny fulcrum]

Oh

Alr

[true solstice]

and there are people who host servers independently (i.e. in group chats or in their own discord servers), such as myself

[tiny fulcrum]

But I’m kinda confused on supply

[true solstice]

supply is a confusing thing in hoi4

[split fulcrum]

@tepid nova i captured paris on accident, genuinely i didnt even order an attack, i just thought "hmm what if..." and reached paris

[true solstice]

just build lots of trucks and trains (2 mils on each) and build railways and supply hubs if the issue persists

[tiny fulcrum]

Mils?

[inner iron]

Iceland has that advisor that randomly gives a boatload of non core manpower plus the trickle of commie manpower from focus and marx

[tiny fulcrum]

And what do the trains and trucks do

[true solstice]

military factories

[inner iron]

You can easily build up an army with that

[true solstice]

yeah true

i want to do it as fascist iceland though

[inner iron]

Fascist Iceland is even easier because you can cheese Denmark to surrender to you when you're in the axis

You don't even have to invite Germany to war

[true solstice]

trains deliver supplies from supply hub to supply hub via railways

[tiny fulcrum]

Why do you keep deleting

[split fulcrum]

NOOO

I MISCLICKED

[true solstice]

trucks deliver supplies from supply hubs to divisions via... well... trucks

[split fulcrum]

AND CALLED IN HUNGARY INTO THE WAR

[true solstice]

keep making mistakes

don't want to give you incorrect info

my bad

[sudden thistle]

Can’t be that bad

[true solstice]

not the end of the world, surely?

[tiny fulcrum]

Do I have to put trucks in the divs or template

[true solstice]

no no no

[sudden thistle]

Neither

[true solstice]

you motorise the supply of your divisions

[tiny fulcrum]

Wait what

So it automatically delivers supply

[true solstice]

your divisions are supplied by horses by default

[true solstice]

yes

[sudden thistle]

Mhm

[true solstice]

and using horses to supply your divisions is both immoral and terribly inefficient

so use trucks instead

[wicked haven]

it's not really immoral

[inner iron]

My average China gameplay up to 1942

[true solstice]

putting a horse in a situation where it might die is immoral

[tiny fulcrum]

So lemme get this straight, trains and trucks don’t need to be put in divisions because they automatically deliver supplies to all divisions from the closest suplyhub

[eternal palm]

Horses aren't modelled in game 💀

[true solstice]

yeah well if you have to, you have to

[wicked haven]

if your logistical forces are at high risk of death you are doing something wrong

[eternal palm]

Don't infer irl actions from a video game

[true solstice]

yes

[tiny fulcrum]

Alr thanks

[true solstice]

you instead need to actually TELL your army that their supplies should come from trucks

[tiny fulcrum]

Huh

How do I do that

[true solstice]

and you do that by clicking on each army group or army and changing their supply status to fully motorised

[true solstice]

click on your army group or army

[weary whale]

I need help with the fire rises mod, how do I remove a building in a state

[split fulcrum]

@tepid nova i just encircled the french at dunkirk

[eternal palm]

Well trucks have multiple functions. They are part of some battalions such as logistics and signals or as a battalion by themselves. But they also have a transport function

[true solstice]

in the general's bar up top there's a horse icon

click on the horse icon

it'll change to two trucks

[tiny fulcrum]

What button is that

[true solstice]

click it again

[eternal palm]

But you don't need trucks in your division to supply your divs via trucks

[tiny fulcrum]

Can you ss

[true solstice]

it'll change to three trucks

[tiny fulcrum]

Im not on the game rn

[true solstice]

three trucks is the maximum

it's also goated

[eternal palm]

....click on your general or field marshal

[true solstice]

yeah, i'll send you the ss via dms

[tiny fulcrum]

Thanks

[eternal palm]

That's your army and army group

[wicked haven]

do the commands compound?

or does FM overide general?

[eternal palm]

Yes

[wicked haven]

I thought so, ig that makes the most sense

[tepid nova]

Congrats twin
Good luck with ussr

[azure palm]

What Nation and what focus path should I play?

[eternal palm]

Trotsky Russia

[true solstice]

carlist spain with historical ai off

[split fulcrum]

Also the Ribbentrop pact turned out to be a scam

I did all the work

And they still got half of poland

I thought they would invade them with me

[azure palm]

Ok

[true solstice]

that's how the pact works

[tepid nova]

Nah only in mods like RT56

[true solstice]

nah they're in the allies so the soviets would end up at war with the allies if they invaded poland directly

[split fulcrum]

ahh

[true solstice]

it's ahistorical, i know, but the mods haven't figured out how to properly represent the partition of poland yet i guess

[tepid nova]

Bro road to 56 saved hoi4 fo me 💔
How do you honestly play the game when 70% of countries have no focus tree, or at least a good one

[true solstice]

how does it happen in RT56?

[split fulcrum]

also @tepid nova i will need alot more troops for barbarossa

[tepid nova]

Ussr gets a decision that takes 14 days
After they join the war with Germany but don’t go to war with allies only Poland

[tepid nova]

That’s fine

[true solstice]

one of my friends did barbarossa with 5 armies and won within a year 💀

[split fulcrum]

also its april 1939

[true solstice]

right i see

that's

[split fulcrum]

i got time to get ready

[true solstice]

interesting

[tepid nova]

14-70 year olds conscripted

[true solstice]

nah man

5 armies

not 5 army groups

[split fulcrum]

wth

[true solstice]

120 divisions

[true solstice]

yea

[inner iron]

Poland could easily get a modifier of not being able to call in allies

[split fulcrum]

@tepid nova how do i give the generals more troop limit

[tepid nova]

Ohh yaaar
4 is enough and 5 is great

[true solstice]

bro is just insanely talented at micro

[true solstice]

but only against the soviets

that wouldn't really make sense

[zinc light]

Micro the whole ussr front?
So it took 1 year of real life huh

[tepid nova]

They can get 30 if they get a high enough level/become a field marshal I think
But 24 is basically the standard and you won’t really have it easy getting it higher

[true solstice]

nah man he only microed for the first few months or so

[split fulcrum]

dude i remeber once seeing 72

i think

or no

48

[tepid nova]

I feel like microing the whole eastern front low
It sounds fun
Imagine how effective I could be

[zinc light]

They can have 30 If fighting with a full 24 army for long enough

[tepid nova]

That’s when it’s a defensive order/area defense
Then 72 is limit

[tepid nova]

Aight thanks

[zinc light]

I recently learned how to read the general traits

[inner iron]

It would because the UK left Poland on read when it happened irl

[split fulcrum]

@tepid nova navy not looking well

[azure palm]

The Pride of the Fleet is nearly finished!

[tepid nova]

Just pull it back no need to keep that

[eternal palm]

Yea thats not a thing anymore

Well it is for garrison order, but you won't get planning with it anymore

[eternal palm]

It can theoretically can go up to 90 divs for area defense

[tepid nova]

I learned smth new ig

[split fulcrum]

whaaat

i got 78 mil factoies

factories

yummy

[azure palm]

Listening to Sabaton while playing hoi4 is a great thing you can do.

[zinc light]

Nah I dont like metal

[true solstice]

yeah i guess so

[azure palm]

Your opinion

[zinc light]

Right
Never said anything else

[azure palm]

I still dont understand the faction influence mechanic... I always go to 0 faction influence quite quickly

[eternal palm]

Just ignore it lol

Won't have any downsides

[fallen vigil]

am i the only one whos never seen an afghan civil war end?? is this like a glitch

[eternal palm]

Best is a strong word. Maybe refrain from making absolute statements in the future

[zinc light]

The supply and Terrain is absolutely terrible over there

[inner iron]

It favours war participation a lot compared to everything else

I had Cuba overtake me with influence because they lost 2mil people

[eternal palm]

Nah it's just nobody can win

[azure palm]

but what if you dont fight in a war?

[eternal palm]

Afghanistan is a shit hole

[zinc light]

Basically, civil war afghan has it's supply in the far south, while OG afghan has it in the far North
Which results in neither of them having any supply at the front

[azure palm]

Yes.

[inner iron]

Haven't had that scenario, my allies usually end up at war somehow

And since I ignore some wars, my influence goes to shit because Bolivia lost a million to Paraguay and then gets 30% influence from it

[azure palm]

I always end up in peace losing all my faction influence not able to do anything

[inner iron]

Riveting

[spiral sphinx]

what does influence even give

i know you can use to take leadership

[true solstice]

isn't cuba's population fewer than 4 million?

what on earth did castro do bruh

[azure palm]

Some nations have specific things to do with it. Like China can puppet and annex war lords

[spiral sphinx]

ye

but in general

[azure palm]

You can change faction rules if you have enough

[inner iron]

Scraping the barrel, desperate defence and the portrait of marx

[spiral sphinx]

lwk mid

[true solstice]

bro desperate defence is the most op thing ever

finland is now playable

[azure palm]

Still annoying when you dont have it

[inner iron]

Stares at scandinavia and the baltics being playable too

[azure palm]

I have 4 fps playing hoi4...

[inner iron]

Sweden is so horseshit with manpower whenever trying to form scandinavia

[true solstice]

well the rest of scandinavia and the baltics were already playable enough

cause you can unify the baltics by 37 or 38 as any baltic nation

and form either plc or estonia-finland or scandinavia as a baltic nation by 37 or 38 or 39

[inner iron]

And have the core population of Finland

[true solstice]

nah man, triple

or at least double

[zinc light]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[true solstice]

and more equipment, and more industry, and more recruitable population bonuses

[inner iron]

Baltics unified is like 5mil barely

[true solstice]

that's double finland

not really

but almost

[inner iron]

And a whopping 2 steel and equipment made out of dirt and sweat

[zinc light]

Meanwhile Sweden having the best and biggest Focus tree Out of all nordic nations because devleoper bias

[true solstice]

no

you have enough industry to trade for steel while still having a bigger economy than finland

baltics are more op than finland

more cores

more potential

more larp

case closed

[zinc light]

Lithuania: good because Poland
Estland: good because Finland
Latvia: ...

[true solstice]

yeah well latvia is just a russian-infested zone that should be feared and ignored

i guess at least they can form ostland

[inner iron]

Latvia has that weird quirk of being able to go thunder cross path, get the bonuses from there and then divert to the baltic union tree for the ridiculous bonuses there as an endgame

[true solstice]

yeah but still no cores

lithuania can core half of europe by 42

probably even faster if you're good at the game, which i am not

[inner iron]

Do you really need cores when you are possibly conscripting 50% of your population and thus having a fat non core manpower pool

[zinc light]

Good people can complete 70 day focuses in 35 days
Better get yo Game up

[true solstice]

yes, for larp

[true solstice]

good people and people who are good at hoi4 are two different kinds of people

[zinc light]

50%? Who's left to operate the factories?

[true solstice]

my game is down but my enthusiasm is up

[true solstice]

the jews i guess idk

[inner iron]

The pagan gods will figure that out

[zinc light]

You know what I meant /s

[true solstice]

yea of course

also wtf is /s

[inner iron]

But yea I think the Baltics still have the highest recruitable pop potential

[true solstice]

oh definitely

[inner iron]

The entire country is the military

[split fulcrum]

is this decent?

[true solstice]

lithuania is one of the most powerful countries in europe

[split fulcrum]

i need more planes

not enough rubber

[eternal palm]

What year

[true solstice]

only britain, germany, and italy have more potential

[split fulcrum]

1939

may

[eternal palm]

Italy 💀 ?????

[eternal palm]

Uhhh

That's way too little

[true solstice]

yea, roman empire

huge potential

[eternal palm]

Didnt u build refs

[split fulcrum]

yea

what

[eternal palm]

By the time you get it, the game is over

You're missing the USSR

[true solstice]

bruh i get roman empire in 1940 what are you on

[eternal palm]

Because unlimited building slots

[split fulcrum]

what is a ref

[true solstice]

i've seen people get it by 1937

[split fulcrum]

ohh refinery

[eternal palm]

Well yea then the game is over because by 1940 you already conquered the world

[split fulcrum]

ive built some

[true solstice]

yeah i guess they're pretty powerful

especially with monarchist slavic union

that's how i got race for germany

[eternal palm]

...stalin or trotsky is legit stronger

[true solstice]

not germany or ussr or japan or the usa

[eternal palm]

Russia doesn't need extra cores

[true solstice]

no

[true solstice]

russia always needs extra cores

[eternal palm]

What 💀

[true solstice]

yes bro

let me explain

[eternal palm]

The largest country with the most provinces and 130 million core pop needs more cores?

[true solstice]

i manually justified on poland and killed them right before the civil war started

[eternal palm]

What in the fk are you on

[eternal palm]

So?

[true solstice]

then i rushed down to the slavic union focus

[eternal palm]

So?

[zinc light]

sarcasm

[true solstice]

cored them immediately

[true solstice]

oh ok

[true solstice]

cored bulgaria

[eternal palm]

Again, so?

[true solstice]

took over yugo

[eternal palm]

Bruh I know how slavic Union works

[true solstice]

then when germany attacked me, i was fighting on core territory in poland

[eternal palm]

Explain to me how it is stronger

[inner iron]

I usually have the best scaling as Bulgarian patriarchy

[true solstice]

my lines were not breaking because i was on core territory

my industry was better

[spiral sphinx]

Stalin the real one

[inner iron]

Cause compliance

[true solstice]

my anti-air was more effective

[icy crescent]

If you want extra cores, get the Formable Nation mod.
You're allowed to core the former Russian empire then. c:

[true solstice]

the stuff i was building in poland wasn't getting destroyed

[eternal palm]

What does that even mean

[true solstice]

i could build the anti-air faster in poland because i wasn't occupying it

so my troops were more effective

i managed to start pushing germany by 1942 or something

[zinc light]

Trotsky got the better Army bonuses
But is Generally weaker industrially because of the civil war

[eternal palm]

Only then?

[spiral sphinx]

You can

[true solstice]

i capped germany before the allies even got one naval invasion off

[true solstice]

late 1941, my bad

[eternal palm]

U can kill Germany in 41 as stalin

9r trotsky

[true solstice]

if you're good, yes

i'm not good

[eternal palm]

So ur saying it's a skill issue?

[spiral sphinx]

Stalin can like annex all neighbors

[true solstice]

and i don't like communism

[eternal palm]

Well get good then

[true solstice]

absolutely

[true solstice]

no

i refuse

[eternal palm]

So ur not even being objective

Jfc

[true solstice]

when did i say i was?

[zinc light]

Neither of the commie paths can get more cores
You can Annex everyone as every path

[true solstice]

correct

[eternal palm]

U sounded so confident

[true solstice]

cores = good

[icy crescent]

Creep any% ragebait speedrun.

[spiral sphinx]

If you go trostky you gotta deal with civil war

[eternal palm]

Trotsky gets silly research

[true solstice]

confident doesn't imply that i was being objective

[eternal palm]

Yes 😭

[true solstice]

monarchist russia gets silly manpower and garrison buffs

[inner iron]

I remember killing the Germans in 38 because they start off so weak

[eternal palm]

This entire server exists to ragebait me bro

[spiral sphinx]

while stalin can attack china/poland as example

[ripe slate]

UK gets an event whether to join against the Soviets and if they refuse, Poland cant call them in

[true solstice]

i see

interesting

[zinc light]

That's... Exactly what I Said?

[true solstice]

you're welcome bluuud

[spiral sphinx]

everything you do is delayed

[true solstice]

not that much i guess

[zinc light]

Sorry I am currently in the gym

[true solstice]

and supreme soviet is worth it

[zinc light]

Actually doing life stuff yi

yk

[spiral sphinx]

i mean russia

[true solstice]

he meant in game if you go trotsky path

[zinc light]

Bruh im dumb

Aight

[eternal palm]

What u training

[zinc light]

Left

[true solstice]

bruh all of us have irl stuff, don't be a ding

[eternal palm]

What?

[zinc light]

Left side only

[eternal palm]

Wdym left 💀

[zinc light]

Tomorrow is right

[spiral sphinx]

lol

ofc

[eternal palm]

......

Excuse me

[zinc light]

:D

[true solstice]

smh

bro is compensating for the holy right forearm

😭

[eternal palm]

💀

[spiral sphinx]

yo

[eternal palm]

Holy shit

[zinc light]

Nah I'm actually left-handed

[true solstice]

bro is training to get an even bigger holy left forearm

😭

[zinc light]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-love-head-with-rose-gif-16653731

Anyways

Russia!

[true solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/nanobombs-cat-flower-gif-9240641794916841111

[true solstice]

yes

RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA

i love never having to use half of the soviet focus tree because germany only pushes me back one or two tiles

support anti-air battalions are based asf

[zinc light]

I like screwing everyone over as a minor nation
That's why Russia, france etc are kinda boring to me

But italy and Germany are based

[split fulcrum]

do i need naval dominance to cross these?

[true solstice]

yea i get that

aussa has a special place in my heart

so does manchukuo

[inner iron]

My average middle finger is playing the Dutch and conscripting 2mil Indonesians as a meatwall against the Germans

[true solstice]

no

you can just walk across as though they were connected by land

denmark is weak asf so it should be really easy

[zinc light]

Ah yes, the british imperialism strat

[zinc light]

Jokes aside, it's push day

[eternal palm]

Less go

[true solstice]

my average middle finger is playing as any spain and just rolling over portugal and then the axis

[eternal palm]

Doing chest and Triceps today too

[true solstice]

oh nice

yea my third gym day of the week is tomorrow

[zinc light]

Nice

[true solstice]

gonna do legs

first time ever

[zinc light]

Got 2 lectures after this

So gotta dip soon

[viscid swift]

huh

what does iceland have to do with yugoslavia

[inner iron]

Would Spain even be considered a minor considering that it's just barely behind Italy

[true solstice]

everything

[inner iron]

It's like a mini major to me

[true solstice]

source: trust me bro

[true solstice]

yes because civil war and recovery from it are dangerous times

especially on non-historical

risk it for the biscuit but the biscuit could eat you

[inner iron]

Bullshit

[true solstice]

imagine you're doing carlist spain on non-historical and democratic france fully intervenes in the scw

[eternal palm]

Takes too long to be relevant

Italy is barely a major too

[true solstice]

you'll get absolutely bummed

[inner iron]

Spanish civil war gets me a bunch of veteran units which trashes others

[true solstice]

unless you're lucky

[misty fossil]

67

[true solstice]

spain is all about luck

[true solstice]

i hope you get banned

[eternal palm]

Wdym lucky

[misty fossil]

67

[eternal palm]

You still take ages to be any useful

[true solstice]

if you play as carlist spain and france goes bourbon

you're op by 1939

or 1940 i guess

[eternal palm]

Yea thats extra cores that's not Spain by itself

Thats literally a formable

Spain is a minor that turns into a major via formable

So do almost all minors

[true solstice]

i'm talking about the country as a whole

[eternal palm]

That doesn't make Spain a major by default

[true solstice]

correct

when did i say it was a major?

i said it was a minor

[misty fossil]

does japan qualify as a quasi-major since it starts with 57 factories

[eternal palm]

You came at me for saying it wasn't

🤷‍♂️

[true solstice]

when?

[eternal palm]

Japan is a major.

[true solstice]

i didn't come at you at all

[misty fossil]

what major starts with the fewest factories

[eternal palm]

.....when you replied to me?

Anyhow

[true solstice]

yeah japan rolls over china too easily that's major status

[true solstice]

where

if i did i would like to apologise

[eternal palm]

Bro 🤦‍♂️

[true solstice]

:(

[inner iron]

Exactly my thoughts, Spain isn't too far behind and the civil war has all the factions doing focuses for extra factories so you randomly come out of the civil war at 100 factories

And probably on total mob

[misty fossil]

honestly japan is a weird country

[eternal palm]

If we're counting at game start there's 7

Cuz those are most relevant to ww2

[misty fossil]

57 factories yet they have a massive naval fleet

[eternal palm]

The rest is minors that become majors during the game

[split fulcrum]

the hell did i do

[misty fossil]

which is probably the only thing that give them the title of major

[split fulcrum]

why cant i order these guys to attack

[misty fossil]

without the ijn i dont think japan would b a major

[ripe slate]

disappointing name

🙃

[misty fossil]

people keep complaining about 67

so thats on them (you)

[inner iron]

And again Spain starts off with cruiser 2's off the rip and gets extra 6-10 dockyards from focuses which gets them a good glass cannon fleet potential

So still it's a mini major to me

[misty fossil]

glass cannon ships suck

[eternal palm]

...again Japan is literally a major 💀

[misty fossil]

you can make spain pop off if you play your cards very carefully id imagine

[eternal palm]

What do u even define a Major as at game start?

There's just 7

[misty fossil]

a nation that isnt a minor

[eternal palm]

And then as the game goes on minors become majors, majors stay majors

[eternal palm]

So by default or in game status?

See I agree with that

[misty fossil]

what if i puppet a major in a single state

[eternal palm]

They might be kicked from the top 7?

Idk

[misty fossil]

then they are no longer a major

[fallen vigil]

wohooo double achievement

[inner iron]

And even if all the majors start off their game with gigantic armies, most of them aren't even equipped

Stares at France being a shitshow

[misty fossil]

america with 36 divs

congrats

[inner iron]

Japan starts off with 60 divs and I had to reorganise it to 24 divs to actually be fully equipped

[fallen vigil]

wow og china and new china

[inner iron]

Germany seems to be the only one to start off with a fully equipped army

[fallen vigil]

you dont really need to do that

it doesnt take a long time to supply them

[inner iron]

Guns wise sure but I go heavy on arty

And they eat supply in China, so I usually invade with a thin skeleton force

At most I keep 10 factories on guns, rest goes to arty and tac bombers

My puppet troops can just hold the gobi desert

[fossil dragon]

Most insane BR in history

[icy crescent]

Even avoided fighting against Romania or other Guarantees.
Good job.

[split fulcrum]

what do i research to unlock self propelled arty?

[fallen vigil]

thank you but i struggled with the war a lot took me 10 trillion naval invasions until turkiye got cooked

[fossil dragon]

Tanks and arty then you make sp arty in tank desinger

[split fulcrum]

no dlcs

[fossil dragon]

Oh

I think you need no step back

[split fulcrum]

nice

[icy crescent]

Then research SPG.

[fossil dragon]

For sp arty to even exist

[split fulcrum]

what do i use instead then

[icy crescent]

You don't need the DLC.

Go to the research tab.
See the three small boxes on the tanks?
Check them out.

[split fulcrum]

ahh

i do see them

[icy crescent]

:3

[split fulcrum]

thanks

[safe wing]

why isn't Edrine renamed to Adrinaople

[icy crescent]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[icy crescent]

I am confused.
You're playing on Iron Mode.
Why do you have 1.5k political power lying around? :o

[misty fossil]

bro is having iron poisoning

[fossil dragon]

What is that since i never played non-ironman

[misty fossil]

iron poisoning

[buoyant wedge]

where is the conversion

i have old equipment and i must convert

[gentle briar]

i love space marines

[viscid swift]

hello guys its time for me to play on vanilla after a while

also tho im gonna say one thing

this guy's a dumbass

[elder shuttle]

whats the best infantry division for japan with new dlc

[icy crescent]

Unfortunately the world has a large pool of dumb people.
And some people keep falling for that stupid scams.

Especially young kids.

Without supervision.

[tribal frost]

game

[icy crescent]

Game.

[tribal frost]

yes

[fossil dragon]

Just block him i got this like 3 times in 5 years

[icy crescent]

Or better yet troll them
Speak in your native language.

It will deter them to try it again.

[fossil dragon]

Yeah i did this once they just stop responding after 10 massages

[icy crescent]

Everybody gangsta until the Pole invites them to a drinking match.

[fossil dragon]

Or slovenian to eating contest

[fallen vigil]

idk what to do with htem

: p

[fallen vigil]

i can do dat?

[icy crescent]

Damn.
That's a new one.
Slovenian stereotypical enjoyer of good food?

[icy crescent]

I believe that should have happen automatically.
Or it was a decision for democratic Megali-Greece.

[heavy vigil]

tool

[fossil dragon]

Trust me I'm slovenian i know

[icy crescent]

I was asking for the "is this correct" not a trust question. D:

[fallen vigil]

well damn thats some good ass cas

[daring geyser]

hello your computer has virus

[icy crescent]

Greece air designer stronk.

[forest igloo]

anyone check the help channel

[fallen vigil]

holy shit

[crude dragon]

PDX is either ran by AI or is very stupid

[icy crescent]

It appears 1.17 really made the AI weak.

[sudden thistle]

So it’s not just me

[icy crescent]

Maybe you are a great player.
With a lot of skill.
I don't want to denounce that.

[sudden thistle]

No like the Germany ai can barely get past Belarus vs Soviet ai

[viscid swift]

guys is it just me or is this just op?

[icy crescent]

Hawking with da Bazooka.

[forest igloo]

some time i forget how realstic is the game

[eternal palm]

It really is not?

Its like eh

5% pop is nice

But like there are better choices

Like 20% planning and 25% global break

Oh and 10% global soft on top

:thinkge:

[misty fossil]

hearts of iron 4: the coal update

santa striking it RICH this christmas

[sudden thistle]

I mean it’s just 5%

But kinda?

[slim nexus]

Changde: 😋 😋 🍪 😊 🌻 ⭐ 🌸 🌸 🌸 🌅 🌅 🏞️ 💡 🔦
Changsa: 😡 😡 👺 👹 💥 🔥 🔥 🗡️

[lethal ether]

20% soft attack is pretty good too

• other random stats

[inner iron]

It only scales well when you get the combat width reduction

Otherwise it's a bit mid

[lethal ether]

hoi4 should give more supply bonuses to compensate for the escalation and stalemates that happen very late game

[inner iron]

Where the hell do you have supply issues with the current bonuses

[fallen vigil]

is this a good template for late game??

[lethal ether]

everywhere except europe

[eternal palm]

Nah

Why paratroopers when you aren't dropping anything?

Why arty? Why are the support slots not filled?

Why is the width ass?

Any of these are good

[fallen vigil]

i fixed it

[iron helm]

can i win this? sorry for bad image

[zenith charm]

womp

[eternal palm]

What the larp 😭

[zenith charm]

im not larping kd ratio is 10 to 1

[azure palm]

I hate the danubian federation so much. They can get so strong in such a short time. Im playing the god damn soviets and I still cant beat them even though im allied with China, Germany and Sweden!

[sudden thistle]

That’s just extreme skill issue then

[brittle cypress]

Bro…

[sudden thistle]

Damn

[split fulcrum]

is this decent??

[zenith charm]

what is this

[split fulcrum]

imma switch out the horsies with mechanized

when research finishes

[azure palm]

Probably that too, but the problem is the german AI is just getting its divisions encirceld in Turkey, im fighting on 3 fronts, Im out of rifles, china isnt doing shit, and germany could just push to vienna and end then war but doesnt

[zenith charm]

make them 30 width by adding more sp arty/tanks otherwise yes please replace that cavalry

[sudden thistle]

Can u like show the map

If there is one

[azure palm]

yeah give me a sec. Hoi4 crashed

[sudden thistle]

U shouldn’t be running out of guns anyways

[zenith charm]

one more

[split fulcrum]

health seems bad though

hmm might be because of the horsies

[azure palm]

I shouldnt, but I still am

[uneven needle]

When playing as Japan, on historical Germany seems to get rid of hitler in favor of goring (without completing the "A strong successor" focus) around 1938, is that a known bug?

[azure palm]

also the danubian federation is ranked second after the USA wich is problematic

[azure palm]

the historical AI only does the focuses historicly I think so they probably just get pushed to berlin and hitler dies or something

[uneven needle]

its 1938 the war in europe hasnt broken out yet

and they havent done the successor focus

but somehow hitler is gone lol

[molten forge]

mind if i ask should i do a truck army

or a tank army

or just stick to infantry

[azure palm]

what nation are you playing?

[molten forge]

estonia

[sudden thistle]

Ur a bit ambitious for Estonia

[molten forge]

i just like the batlics

[azure palm]

I would say infantry. Im not sure if its perfect but I dont think suddenly building a lot of trucks or tanks will be easy

@sudden thistle crashed again. Might take a few minutes

crashed again

[molten forge]

i mean over time production, not like instant swicth of army

[azure palm]

will still be hard, how do you want to get the mils for the tanks or trucks?

[molten forge]

the national goal

[azure palm]

the point is, its quite ambitions and you will probably need to fight the sovies at some point without running out of tanks or trucks instantly

Now the crash report started crashing

[molten forge]

what if i ally the soviets

(no historical AI focus)

[azure palm]

then you will never get any land

[molten forge]

non agression?

[azure palm]

then you will at some point need to fight germany

[molten forge]

thats when i ally soviet

[azure palm]

then the soviets will probably get all the war score and take all the land or they just lose and then you get annexed

[molten forge]

also am i paranoid or was there a button to promote your ideology in over nations

[azure palm]

for the soviets?

oh you mean in diplomacy

or what do you mean?

[molten forge]

as in, there was a button where you could boost your political party in another nation

[azure palm]

that was probably diplomacy wich is now with the secret service possible

[molten forge]

the secret service is so expensive tho

[viscid swift]

imo it depends on the countries tbf i didnt specify that

[azure palm]

@sudden thistle sorry, hoi4 keeps crashing. Youre not gonna get the map

[sudden thistle]

Did u recently get la resistance ?

The dlc?

[azure palm]

it is. You could just stop using la resistance

[molten forge]

yea

[sudden thistle]

That’s why

[molten forge]

and is it worth doing the whole ideology thing

[azure palm]

its now only possible with the spys

[azure palm]

no

rarely

[sudden thistle]

Rarely

[azure palm]

because it rarely even influences it at all

[split fulcrum]

do yall think this is enough for attacking the soviets??

20 panzers

[molten forge]

so for germans and soviets its just as uselles as chinese buffs

[azure palm]

MORE

[molten forge]

italy vs soviet union?

[azure palm]

germany

[split fulcrum]

germany vs soviets

[azure palm]

he has german generals and field marshalls

[molten forge]

i though italy

cus i saw the troops

[split fulcrum]

the troops are blue

not green

[azure palm]

look at the one field marshall. Thats Feder Bock or something

[split fulcrum]

fedor von bock

[inner iron]

What template

[azure palm]

feder, fedor, all the same

[split fulcrum]

good guy

[inner iron]

And what tank design

[split fulcrum]

researching mechanized btw

and no dlcs

[inner iron]

Horse logistics go hard

[molten forge]

so like, i should just prep to make my army strong early, or focus on factories early or political?

[inner iron]

Wtf

[split fulcrum]

those horses are placeholder

[azure palm]

no, just dont play estonia

[gentle cloak]

I finally went from rise of nations for 3 years to hoi4 🥹

[molten forge]

bruv

[azure palm]

welcome

[dusky burrow]

typically you grind bohme if you can i believe, but nice

[azure palm]

youre gonna regret it

[molten forge]

same, its ass

[gentle cloak]

In a good way or bad way

[azure palm]

bohme?

[split fulcrum]

seems like @inner iron was flabbergasted by that template

[gentle cloak]

What’s ass?

[molten forge]

this shit aint what i prepared for

[azure palm]

not specified

[inner iron]

I would've bothered doing assault tanks, flame tanks and recon tanks instead as support companies, plus logi company and anti air

[molten forge]

no experience of rise of nations prepared me for this

[molten forge]

since you said no estonia i am playing albania

[dusky burrow]

austrian general

[azure palm]

Ah you mean Böhme?

[dusky burrow]

yeah

[azure palm]

also hes a field marshal

anyways, that only works if you did anschluss I guess

[gentle cloak]

Yeah I just tried declaring war on yoguslavia as Italy thinking its gonna be like ron ai countries but I got smoked

[azure palm]

doesnt always work if you have skill issues like me

[molten forge]

btw zany, is it a good idea to try to quickly get experimental facility?

[azure palm]

as estonia?

[molten forge]

no

[azure palm]

then what nation?

[molten forge]

as a worse country than estonia

[azure palm]

France?

[molten forge]

albania

[split fulcrum]

Aw hell nah

[inner iron]

Italy will murder you before you even have a chance to build one lmao

[split fulcrum]

Be ready for Italy

[molten forge]

am not albanian dw

[azure palm]

Building facilitys as a minor nation is a horrible idea

Also Italy is gonna obliterate you

[inner iron]

Stealing facilities tho

[molten forge]

then i shall ally italy

[molten forge]

thats romania

[azure palm]

no, poland

[split fulcrum]

I dont think they finna accept

[molten forge]

am romanian i know what am talkin about

... albania has no trains

[azure palm]

you steal facilitys?

[azure palm]

Albania has no focus tree

just the generic one

[molten forge]

i have like 2 dlcs

not 12

[split fulcrum]

Neither add the tree

Because none of them do

[azure palm]

albania will never get a non generic focus tree

[inner iron]

Nah you can easily do that as China because the Soviets build an air facility in bum frick nowhere in Siberia, Japanese build land facility in Korea and you get a nuke facility in your focus

[hidden gull]

Where should HCEG be placed?

[molten forge]

also does the west india company requiere like 7 dlcs

[azure palm]

but what DLCs do you have?

[inner iron]

China is the real facility thief

[azure palm]

no, just one, wich isnt a good DLC

[hidden gull]

Its graveyard of empires

[azure palm]

and it isnt great

[molten forge]

resistance and like battle for the bosporus

it was 50 cents more than buying the game alone

are they both ass?

[azure palm]

strange combination. But try playing Turkey

[azure palm]

no, la resistance just makes the game harder and bosporus is fine

[molten forge]

also italy is currently garuanteeing my independence

[azure palm]

yes, and at some point they are demanding your annexation

[split fulcrum]

They start off doing that

[azure palm]

they also guarantee aussa at the start of the game only for them to most times annex them

[molten forge]

so what if i become fascist

[azure palm]

Doesnt matter. Theyll annex you

[molten forge]

ima test it out anyway

[split fulcrum]

When they complete the focus

You get an event

[azure palm]

wich they always do as long as they arent doing democracy or communism

[molten forge]

but they never go another focus?

[heavy vigil]

who up dockgreeding

[split fulcrum]

You either accept, and they annex you, or you decline, and they gain a casus belli

[split fulcrum]

Why would they?

[inner iron]

Italy only gets cut from annexing you if you join the axis

[azure palm]

it isnt an exclusive focus

[steep hawk]

will be hard to play like this ... icons are not good, impossible to put railways ...

[split fulcrum]

Its the historical path, is it not?

[molten forge]

cus its not historical AI

[split fulcrum]

Hmm i dunno

[molten forge]

i am currently trying out without historical AI focuses

[azure palm]

maybe youre lucky and theyll go communist or democratic

[split fulcrum]

Who bombed the construction menu

[azure palm]

but then, what do you want to do? Invade Yugoslavia? Invade Greece? Both are gonna obliterate you

[split fulcrum]

Invade italy.

[molten forge]

albania is weak as hell right, like lets say i get a tank army

like mid game

[azure palm]

We talked about how italy is way stronger...

[molten forge]

i mean in general

like maybe against kingdom of greece

or bulgaria

[split fulcrum]

You think you can get a tank army big enough to beat the serbs and greeks?

[molten forge]

the bulgarians maybe

[split fulcrum]

I dont think albania borders Bulgaria

[molten forge]

it doesnt

but like maybe i can rush gun tech

[inner iron]

Portrait of marx speedrun plus the additional manpower trickle from the focus tree

You get 900 weekly manpower

[molten forge]

and get weapons 3

[azure palm]

that is something only bittersteel would do without having 5 mental breakdowns

[inner iron]

I did it once in a mp game with friends

[azure palm]

without mental breakdowns?

[inner iron]

I killed 3mil Germans, 2 mil Italians, 2 mil Yugos and 1 mil Romanians

[molten forge]

albania got 1 unit

[split fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1416321888535445536/1429216076616699915/globe.webp

[inner iron]

While bunkered in Tirana

[split fulcrum]

Delicious

[azure palm]

@molten forge wait, why did you talk about facilitys before? You need Götterdämmerung for that

[eternal palm]

You don't? Facilities are vanilla

Certain special projects are dlc however

But the mechanic itself is vanilla

[split fulcrum]

The research things?

[split fulcrum]

The experiments

[eternal palm]

Special projects.

Jfc

[molten forge]

experimental facilities

[eternal palm]

Terminology is not hard

[azure palm]

what? Oh my god am i an idiot

I thought they were götterdämmerung

[inner iron]

Real video gaming starts when I get supersonic jets

[split fulcrum]

Theyre experiments!!!

[molten forge]

that shits 30 dollars

[eternal palm]

They aren't called that though

[inner iron]

Then I can eat up the entire chromium supply of the world

[azure palm]

and has the best focus trees in the game

[split fulcrum]

Experimental facilities

Close enough

[eternal palm]

And no they're not experimental either

Whatever that means

[split fulcrum]

It means experiments!!

[inner iron]

Maybe 30 Argentinan dollars

[eternal palm]

You mean the most bloated? Big or op doesn't mean good

[inner iron]

I got the dlc for 10 bucks

[eternal palm]

I don't think it's a good focus tree when you don't finish half the focuses before 41

[split fulcrum]

On steam?

[eternal palm]

Discount right

Right

[azure palm]

I still love the austrian, congolese and german focus tree

[inner iron]

Yea on discount

[eternal palm]

Eh, Congo is nothing burger

Germany and Austria are simply bloated

Germany unnecessarily so

It's fun but not balanced or well designed

[azure palm]

then what focus tree do you prefer?

[inner iron]

People call a focus tree bloated when you can't complete both army and economy on time

[eternal palm]

The ones that don't make me uber mega op so I actually need to play the game?