hoi4-general

[thick kettle]

(if they want to unite china forcefully)

[kind vale]

Eh still pretty easy to beat the ai

[paper echo]

china is still easy even with that dlc

but your army is just ew

[thick kettle]

could you beat the soviets though

[paper echo]

if i trained enough units probably

[thick kettle]

holy

they litearlly only have shovels if i recall

[round pivot]

yar har

[paper echo]

they are lucky if they even have shovels

[viscid swift]

then build cruisers

[kind vale]

I am

Light and heavy

[ancient marsh]

People’s militia is so good

For countries that already get militia buffs anyway

[viscid swift]

guys

should i push into leningrad when they get tired?

[kind vale]

Should I use goring or speer

[paper echo]

yeah and hold

they will sue for a peace after some time

[buoyant heath]

are you not able to do patrol missions from allied ports?

[viscid swift]

this is a lot of plusses

[kind vale]

Mmmm finland

[kind vale]

Such an amazing place

[steel trench]

I DID ITTT

[supple summit]

anyone know the strongest path for poland>

?

[strong umbra]

one of the monarchist ones I think

[kind vale]

Cossack king

Has

[strong umbra]

either Romania or czechoslovakia

[kind vale]

Good cav buffs

[supple summit]

How good we talking?

[strong umbra]

who cares aboit cavalry

[kind vale]

There's 5 monarchy paths

[supple summit]

Romania would be better

[strong umbra]

when we have camelry

and elephantry

[supple summit]

Peak

[kind vale]

Pretty good if you got alot you can overrun germany

Wojtek is my favorite poland path

[supple summit]

If I have a lot then manpower problems

[supple summit]

The bear right?

[kind vale]

True

[kind vale]

Ye

[stray adder]

wow they must be rich over there

[kind vale]

They expelled the jews and fixed the economy and removed unemployment

[supple summit]

400 million irl is just sad as a gdp

[cursive flint]

can someone help i keep trying to do hre but uk is not carving up the congo

[strong umbra]

racism

[cursive flint]

they keep saying no

[stray adder]

not what i expected you to answer

[kind vale]

Its what they did irl

[stray adder]

gdp per capita

[supple summit]

improve relations

[supple summit]

oh shit

[cursive flint]

it was like 80

i alr did that

[strong umbra]

killed the jews then

[supple summit]

oh

[kind vale]

It worked once it'll work again

[supple summit]

i guess its more mainly rng?

[cursive flint]

its hist

[strong umbra]

no expelled

[cursive flint]

2 times in a row tho

[stray adder]

i guess since ww2 already happened ingame

[supple summit]

2 times in a row isnt really a lot

lets be honest

but how good are the cossak kings cavalry?

[kind vale]

Historically the expelled the jews way before ww2 even started

[strong umbra]

ye but they mostly got killed

less got expelled

[kind vale]

They resisted arrest💀

[strong umbra]

in total

[stray adder]

big china

[strong umbra]

no shit

[kind vale]

Got treated like an American citizen

[kind vale]

Tiny china

[strong umbra]

Mao ze dong

right?

you did keep him

[stray adder]

yes

[strong umbra]

right?

MAO ZE DONG

[viscid swift]

guys time for a historical fact

[supple summit]

with the penalty of 40 million starved

[strong umbra]

still has the hairline

[viscid swift]

weimar's republic berlin was the most LGBT friendly place in the world at that time

[kind vale]

The allies didn't declare on the soviets when they invaded poland

[supple summit]

sweden

[stray adder]

i think in the war with japan like 2 mil died because i got them encircled

[kind vale]

And then the mustache stepped in

[strong umbra]

democratic Germany gets 6 research slots

but no justifications

[supple summit]

goated 🔥

[supple summit]

ik this isnt related but cant america get 6 research slots

[stray adder]

didnt even make a dent

[strong umbra]

yes

[supple summit]

104 mil free manpower is wild

[kind vale]

7 if you cheat

[supple summit]

damn

[stray adder]

normal for united china

[kind vale]

Nah thats tiny compared to spain

[supple summit]

you can core the world yeah

[stray adder]

on service on req tho

[supple summit]

but i have a massive skill issue so i cant do it

[kind vale]

So like 7,000,000,000,000,000 mp

[stray adder]

spanish civil war sucks i hate it

i never win

[kind vale]

Skill issue

Get good

[viscid swift]

pehr evind's wet dream

[supple summit]

wait theoretically you can get 100 billion mp if you wait a really really really really long time as spain while getting 500 weekly mp

[stray adder]

good in materials too

[stray adder]

absolutely

[viscid swift]

-220 coal 😭

[kind vale]

One million years later

[supple summit]

might be a skeleton but its doable

[stray adder]

finland #1 in hoi4

[kind vale]

True

[supple summit]

apparently it would take 548 years

[kind vale]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-if-you-love-finland-finland-i-love-finland-scream-finland-finland-scream-gif-496655312649171179

[stray adder]

i do because im from there

[kind vale]

Im more than half Finnish

[stray adder]

ok

i am 100%

[kind vale]

Damn

[supple summit]

ok guys imma go incenarate the toilet now

[viscid swift]

you're inbred?

[supple summit]

cya

[viscid swift]

real

[stray adder]

no

[kind vale]

Yes

[viscid swift]

hope its not gonna be a hiroshima in there

[supple summit]

100% of any ethnicity is inbred

[supple summit]

its going to leave a crater in my living room

[stray adder]

then im not 100 i guess

[viscid swift]

damn well good luck

[supple summit]

cheers

[kind vale]

I got one light cruiser

[round jetty]

i have 150 military factories on intercontinental nuclear missiles

im producing one per day 😭

[stray adder]

smart move

[round jetty]

i just landed in manila in 1946

ive already taken california

[stray adder]

nice

[round jetty]

the philippines IMMEDIATELY capitulated somehow

with 80% ws too

[kind vale]

Should I refit the ships germanh starts with to a better design?

[radiant hawk]

When they lose the capital they immediately capitulate

[round jetty]

oh

[radiant hawk]

It’s part of their new focus tree

It has a check for losing Manila

[round jetty]

thats pretty dumb honestly

[radiant hawk]

Ye

[round jetty]

also some of my divisions have like 7 medals from that new army spirit

[kind vale]

Whats a good cost for a light flame tank?

[viscid swift]

god DAMN

thats a lot

[round jetty]

light flame tank 🥀

[kind vale]

Yeah i dont wanna make medium ones

Plus its the ai

[round jetty]

i have 5400 in stockpile

for reference

theres about 12k nuclear weapons in the world

so in about 3 years ill have that many before the soviets researched it

[round jetty]

yippee

my game crashed

time to annex the us with console commands

[obtuse lodge]

where are my ships even going? i had 19 a second ago

[round jetty]

check your naval battle history

[obtuse lodge]

ive not been in any battles

[round jetty]

weird

[obtuse lodge]

i was trying to organise them and they just vanished

[round jetty]

have you been doing naval exercises

[obtuse lodge]

no

[round jetty]

is there another number beside them in brackets

[obtuse lodge]

this is the whole thing

[round jetty]

unpause and wait a little while

some of the ships might still be travelling to merge

[obtuse lodge]

oh now i have 22

[patent thistle]

welcome back to "cursed ah timeline"

[kind vale]

Its 1938 and I have 4 light cruisers as germany

[obtuse lodge]

who the hell is this 🥀

[solemn hinge]

So?

[solemn hinge]

leader of the nationalists at the very start of the war before he died almost immediately

[weak torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1407093519222308887/1421522498201063584/attachment.gif

[patent thistle]

doesnt germany start with like 6 tho-

[kind vale]

Yeah but those ones suck so im making better ones

[round jetty]

i annexed every country in my peacedeal except ireland

so now theyre the leader of the allies

[patent thistle]

you could just refit them to spotting cruisers

[gaunt thorn]

Do nukes kill units on the province they're on?

[round jetty]

no but it might as well kill them

[obtuse lodge]

its this now. idk if i just didnt pay attention but i swear its always been franco before. it only does this when ive ran dlcs

[round jetty]

they lose pretty much all of their org and strength

[gaunt thorn]

Bro i was counting on it killing them

[gaunt thorn]

rlly

[round jetty]

they basically turn into a bunch of skeletons using bones as guns

[kind vale]

It costs 5x more to do that than to just make new ones

[solemn hinge]

Yes? Spain got a focus with a dlc so it has more historical leaders

[obtuse lodge]

a

[solemn hinge]

A?

[obtuse lodge]

ah - i didnt know that

[solemn hinge]

Yeah I think it was the french dlc

[patent thistle]

then just use them as cannon fother ig

[gaunt thorn]

Do all factories in the state get destroyed?

[round jetty]

yeah but you repair them eventually

[gaunt thorn]

I nuked pretty much every state in the USA

[kind vale]

Ima have them in a spotting navy im making one for a strike force and one for spotting

[gaunt thorn]

I don't think they are going to repair them

[round jetty]

your repair queue is gonna be cooked bro

🙏

[gaunt thorn]

I nuked them bro

[round jetty]

yeah but once you take their states youll have to repair the stuff in it

[gaunt thorn]

I tagged them and it took like 30 seconds to get through the repair construction queue

[gaunt thorn]

Nah im not bothering to do that

Im leaving the gamw there

[round jetty]

i have like 4 pages of repairs just from nuking california

and detroit

[gaunt thorn]

If this happened in real life the US would surrender instantly

If anybody was alive to surrender

[gaunt thorn]

lol

I nuked the UK which is so densely populated

[faint tusk]

There‘s 2 mods that are worthy enough to be called the best hoi4 mod

Road to 56

And Kaiserreich

[solemn hinge]

Rt56 mid

In my opinion

[glacial dove]

fr

[solemn hinge]

I would say 1.kaiserreich 2. Great war redux ( but gwr sorta mid)

[grizzled root]

What about that modern one that starts from 2000

[solemn hinge]

Millennium dawn?

[grizzled root]

The newer one...?

[faint tusk]

Its pretty good, just wouldn‘t say its my cup of tea, adds good focuses but most minors are like better generic trees, adds some new mechanics

Although i couldn‘t rlly find the correct one i think

Cuz the one i got was rlly underwhelming

Maybe its showing its age idk

[solemn hinge]

The problem with a tin if the modern age mid is that the ai is horrible at making and using divisions

[faint tusk]

Basically a free dlc + overhaul alot of stuff

[split bane]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-kitty-cat-cat-gif-8943478768003977184

[solemn hinge]

What went wrong here I think I'm having a stroke

[faint tusk]

Once Played Germany in a solo game

It was so friggin boring

Went Kaiser

[solemn hinge]

Yeah ig but doesn't really add much. Only like central America and nepal and Bhutan nowadays if you have the dlcs

[faint tusk]

Lot of people cant afford paradox‘s hefty pricing

[solemn hinge]

True ig

But like

It's a paradox game

What do you expect?

[faint tusk]

True fr

30 bucks for the china dlc, over half the price of the game btw

[solemn hinge]

I stopped buying when the subscription came out

It's way cheaper

[faint tusk]

Bought the sub once for 3 months

[fading elk]

When you play kaiserreich Russia and lose 40 medium tank divs so build 80 tank divs to take their place

[faint tusk]

Stopped thinking bout buying the dlc after it ended

[fading elk]

Every tank the Germans killed I replaced with two

[solemn hinge]

Yeah

[solemn hinge]

How does that even happen bro

[fading elk]

Gods greatest military industrial complex

[solemn hinge]

Gang the international carried

[fading elk]

Good thing the Germans had a grand total of 20 divs on the west front

I had around 250 on mine

[solemn hinge]

Cap

[fading elk]

Germans forgot that France existed

I would too ngl

[solemn hinge]

Ukraine is literally in core russian territory

There's no excuse when the Germans are dead bro

[fading elk]

Sadly cus i ended up fighting most the Germans but didnt do much gains (Baltics mine tho) I only have 25% war score

[fading elk]

They only got capped a month ago so I need to untangle my spaghetti of frontlines

I physically cannot see which goes where

So I gotta micro the whole front

Also Ukraine has soem buff they have been abusing to get more defence iirc the more land they own

So I need to yeet more troops down there

Belarus being a roadblock

[solemn hinge]

Can I see your equipment menu

[fading elk]

I didn’t screenshot it

I’m only down 80k inf equipment which seeing the casualties for both sides is definitely not the worst

Only

[solemn hinge]

You did not make 80 medium tank dive bro

Unless they are like 4 width

[fading elk]

6 med’s 3 trucks iirc

[solemn hinge]

Or they don't have any tanks in them

[fading elk]

Turns out having dozens of thousands of tanks lets you do funny things

Like speed run to Helsinki in a week

[solemn hinge]

Got to be honest bro you fumbled the bag bro

[fading elk]

Ya Finland died in like 2 weeks so that’s nice

[solemn hinge]

Ain't no way your killing the international

[fading elk]

Surely it is peace for our time once Germany and Austria dies

Right

(This is my first proper KR game)

[solemn hinge]

Damm

Did the entene get America?

[fading elk]

Yep

[solemn hinge]

Well that's something

[fading elk]

I was gonna send volunteers but by the time I was gonna the populist faction died

I didn’t help the communists in Spain and Italy so I could have buffers

[solemn hinge]

Rip huey long

[fading elk]

Sadly though there was no true populist states

So I can’t have friends

Guess the old Belgrade pact are my buddies then

Poland joined the commune so that’s annoying

[solemn hinge]

There won't be peace in your time

[fading elk]

But as long as I can get the fins, Belarus, Ukraine and Caucasus I’ll be happy

[solemn hinge]

You may be able to foem the new entene to get some friends if they peace out the international tho

[fading elk]

New buddies are nice

In a month I should start my nuclear program proper once I unlock nuke tech

[solemn hinge]

What year are you in?

[fading elk]

Early 1941

I got 2 nuke facilities (built one didn’t know u got one for free from the uk)

[patent thistle]

currently refitting what remained of the japanese navy and i could take

because its funny

the carriers already have been refit

[elder shuttle]

how do i do operation sea lion in historical game play

[kind vale]

Destroy the royal navy

[onyx spade]

Is it just me or should this be retreat speed, instead of retreat decision chance?

The current stat just seems useless

[kind vale]

I finally have a single heavy cruiser

[crystal marsh]

hm

[opal nymph]

That would be better tbh

[onyx spade]

Yeah it's a near useless stat for players

[kind vale]

Spain?

[crystal marsh]

yeah the chinese players wont be happy

[opal nymph]

PDX: you want to core it? WELL FINE, YOU CAN CORE IT NOW

[crystal marsh]

my absolute first commie china run

no test runs, no tutorials

straight into the hot water

and tbh

goated tree

why doesnt japan peace out though

[patent thistle]

rate this refit yamato (base design was ass)

[elder shuttle]

how do i build a proper navy what amount of boats do i need

[patent thistle]

you mean with stuff like screening?

[elder shuttle]

yeah

[patent thistle]

1 carrier is screened by one capital ship (to which heavy cruisers count) and one capital ship is screened by 3 destroyers/light cruisers, dont build fleets bigger then 4 carriers, i do recomment more screens tho then actually needed

[elder shuttle]

how do i sort them into groups

[onyx spade]

6/10
Way too much on it. Against AI you also do not need a lot of Anti-air. That shit will take around 2 years to refit

[patent thistle]

it actually only took like 3 months

[onyx spade]

You already made it?

and then refitted it?

Then I misunderstood what you meant

[patent thistle]

i basically stole it of japan

and then refit it

[onyx spade]

Most of the cost is the Chassis and engine. So yeah, if it's already made then it doesn't take as long

[patent thistle]

that also helps

[patent thistle]

and the main guns*

[onyx spade]

But as a general design to be built from scratch would take about 2 years or a bit less

[elder shuttle]

how many carriers should i have in a fleet

[patent thistle]

you shouldnt use more then 4 per fleet or you get a stacking penalty

[onyx spade]

The guns are about 2000 per so yeah, but the majority of the cost is the chassis, engine and armor. Do not ever refit the two latter as they take so long that you might aswell just make a new ship

[onyx spade]

Would shave off a month or two

[elder shuttle]

what boats should i put with four carriers

[onyx spade]

Capitals and screens in general

[sullen palm]

Is there a way to start war faster ? I saw a vidéo where there was like 10 days between the justification and the invasion (i have to wait more than 6 months)

[elder shuttle]

sorry what are capitals again

[onyx spade]

No capitals your carriers will be taking the heavy attack, no screens they will also be hit by torpedoes

[jaunty radish]

can u not have a fleet with just carriers and screens nowdays?

[onyx spade]

high world tension and being at war with a major

[sullen palm]

Oh ok

[patent thistle]

the bare minimum is 4 carriers, 4 capital ships and 12 screens, i suggest making it about 24 screens to the very least tho

[onyx spade]

Both really reduce justification time

[sullen palm]

Thanks

[onyx spade]

Some advisors do so too

[patent thistle]

and maybe plan in 1-2 more capitals if you have the industry to support it

[elder shuttle]

how mathanks

[onyx spade]

The more screens the better

As they die easily

[desert wharf]

So im really dum im playing US no compromise no surrender WHY CANT MY NAVY WORK IN ENGLISH CHANNEL IM LITERALLY ALLYS WITH THEM its my first run through with this DLC so im so confused

[onyx spade]

You got any ports close to there?

[patent thistle]

ye but usally your economy is pre-occupied with the capitals and carriers if you make a fleet with like germany at first

[desert wharf]

Using british ports

[onyx spade]

You can't

Not anymore

[split bane]

You need to change your headquarters

[desert wharf]

Wtf so my navy is useless

[onyx spade]

You need your own ports

[desert wharf]

Well i cant just take portsmouth...

[sullen palm]

Also i have conquered my first country (austria, as Germany), but it seems i cant Access all of the factories ? Will they come with time or is it something to do with diplomacy or something

[onyx spade]

And assign your navy to said port

[desert wharf]

How do i get said port

[onyx spade]

Of course. But you can take africa

[patent thistle]

i have also legit refit that thing (refit cost is a little bugged it wasnt that high)

[onyx spade]

You coudl also focus A LOT on range for your ships

[desert wharf]

Smart I fear britain already took it all

[onyx spade]

Yeah it's about luck

But it is realistic

[desert wharf]

Ill just wait for them to do there own D-Day

[onyx spade]

Naval logistics were really complicated

[onyx spade]

You could invest into air to support them

[patent thistle]

.

[desert wharf]

I might just take off the DLC for next playthrough as US lol

[lapis prairie]

Ima downgrade to the last game version

[onyx spade]

Why tho? It's super slow

[desert wharf]

To alte for that i focused heavy navy early on

[lapis prairie]

I can use the timelapse mod

[patent thistle]

i like my good secondaries

it was like 2k or so

[onyx spade]

that battleship alone will cause your taskforce to suck at catching other fleets
Your Taskforce goes at the slowest ships speed

[patent thistle]

i am also refitting that one kongo class ship i got and that one nagato ship (and all the ehavy cruisers)

[onyx spade]

You do you. I generally like making my own ships

This is my go to early cruiser

[patent thistle]

i was litterally being germany in seelow heights and forced a stalemate so

i usally make my own too

[onyx spade]

Not calling you bad, just saying we like different things

[patent thistle]

but try that while you are litterally loosing the war historically

[onyx spade]

That's quite impressive. How did you do it?

[patent thistle]

i got a mod that makes the ai actually accept conditional surrenders if they take too many losses and that gave me enough points to basically hold myself well enough

[onyx spade]

Nice

[patent thistle]

the reason why i have the japanese fleet is because i decleared on them afterwards to steal it

[viscid swift]

why does the name of the reich look like it was put in bleach

[patent thistle]

(i also stole the united nations faction-)

[viscid swift]

and all of the other countries

[elder shuttle]

Is this good for one fleet as uk at start of game

[viscid swift]

https://tenor.com/view/omerrv-snip-snipping-supertool-gif-19434006

[patent thistle]

low res

[elder shuttle]

is this good

[patent thistle]

for me its shift + alt + F since i have set it myself that way

[onyx spade]

I got the same as Karto

[patent thistle]

i recomment adding like a few light cruisers and 2 heavy cruisers to make sure your screening doesnt get f***ed in one bad battle

[elder shuttle]

alr thanks

[patent thistle]

you could have just said you are doing this with the british navy tho

[onyx spade]

Heavy cruisers are not a part of the screen. They count as heavy ships

Light cruisers work tho

[elder shuttle]

is this better

[patent thistle]

i mostly said heavy cruisers to add to the capital support

[onyx spade]

Yeah

[onyx spade]

Ah ok

My bad

[elder shuttle]

2 heavy cruisers and 6 light cruisers added

[patent thistle]

i usually always recomment adding one or 2 more capital ships that so if you get in one bad battle it doesnt f*** you instandly

the ai designs just suck so much at times thats why i do it

(I AM LOOKING AT YOU FRANCE AND USA)

[onyx spade]

I really wish one could organize conversion better

I want to convert my bf109 at the same time but can't

[tulip thorn]

And yes I know my tac bombers are dying, but if they dont cas over that area I would get pushed instantly

[patent thistle]

come UK, i dare you

[tulip thorn]

How are you already the greater germanic reich

[patent thistle]

i caused a stalemate to happen in seelow heights-

[tulip thorn]

A what

Like white peace

[patent thistle]

basically, a conditional surrender and they had not enough points to get anything

[tulip thorn]

Interesting I guess

[patent thistle]

oh no actually they got ONE tile, the courland pocket

uh- sure soviets, i take the free stuff

this is why you dont declear on germany when it took the remains of the japanese navy and refitted it

[patent thistle]

yeah that did happen during my stalemate run

[tulip thorn]

lol

This germany is way to strong

[patent thistle]

i forgot that the UK makes those shits-

[glacial fog]

I love Ragnarok so much.

[bronze mango]

I love it when italy flees to Ethiopia

[river gull]

storm troopers are very good

[tulip thorn]

Thats a italian east africa puppet of Ethiopia

its so funny

Love it when they break free and do that

[bronze mango]

Yes I know it's the colonial government but it is essentially an exiled government in Africa

[tulip thorn]

yeah I realized that lol

[kind vale]

I love how the french navy is turning the British navy to dust

[tulip thorn]

Sorry france

[trim badge]

If you have a high equipment capture % do you still get the encircled debuff?

[tulip thorn]

Yeah

I dont think you can really counter the encirclement debuff other than not getting encircled

Im finally starting to whittle down the german airforce

Almost ready to make a dday

Its 1946 I still havent landed on german soil

Or even french soil

(Other than Corsica)

[kind vale]

I landed in the uk as germ

Germany

Then proceeded to watch my entire army die

[tulip thorn]

lol

[kind vale]

I hate the uk

[tulip thorn]

Dday is a success

God I actually really like amph tanks for making landing

[dapper pine]

I hate coal....

[supple summit]

yo lads why are the germans such dickheads

i became anarchist spain and as soon as i took over the portugese they decided "Hey! This man has no real value to us! Lets invade him!"

[tulip thorn]

Because they felt like it

[heavy vigil]

good night chatroom

[tulip thorn]

Good night

[bright arrow]

Bro you are the most coal rich country on earth

[clear dagger]

its 1964 i only need a few more years until i can fight germany

[kind vale]

23 dockyards is not enough to get 500 ships built in 4 years

[opal nymph]

Have you thought of going to export focus?

Or demobilizing

You arent in a rush to build more factories

Also what is your situation
8% war support 973 factories, you still have government slots available to fill and you have 750 political power

Something isnt adding up

[chilly cipher]

i was able to. dont ask me\

[opal nymph]

So you did the ballanze gamerules and made PRC annex CHI the hard way

[chilly cipher]

1. no
2. yes

i spammed release TAG for everyone

[opal nymph]

Why didn't you just do the gamerule to decolonize africa

[chilly cipher]

and setowner TAG 67

[opal nymph]

You did everything the hard way

[chilly cipher]

hard way is time and time is good.

[shadow girder]

Quick question, how do i disable a DLC? i got man the guns but i dont want it anymore, how do i disable it?

[opal nymph]

There is no such thing as Man the Guns

It is base game

You will enjoy the naval designer and original faction mechanics

[shadow girder]

i bought it as a dlc

is there now way to disable it?

[opal nymph]

And it's base game now

Fully integrated

[shadow girder]

damn

[opal nymph]

I can no longer play OG China

Used to be fun, until they integrated waking the tiger

[shadow girder]

game isnt fun anymore tbh i stopped playing after man the guns is now a base game

ty anyway

[opal nymph]

How come

[shadow girder]

its way more difficult

i dont understand a single thing it was way easier

i regretted buying man the guns and now its a base game xds

[opal nymph]

Well, the new naval changes are base game

Like the man the guns stuff is gone

Except naval designer

[shadow girder]

yeah such a L

[opal nymph]

It is quite simple for the most part

[shadow girder]

i was just starting to learn without the dlc xd

[opal nymph]

If you want to sea lion, have the entire kriegsmarine surface fleet patrol the channel

[shadow girder]

now its everything in one

[opal nymph]

You gain dominance quick enough to get a naval invasion off

[shadow girder]

mate i dont understand any of it

i use cheats to understand xd

i dont even use naval invasions i just do teleport

[opal nymph]

I guess I need to do a new naval invasion guide...

[shadow girder]

i watched tons dont worry xd

its just really alot

[opal nymph]

Left click port, right click landing site

Make sure you have the tech researched

[shadow girder]

yeah i always do research all

[opal nymph]

And you only get 6 troops per invasion now and you can have 2 invasions at once

Oh

[shadow girder]

i upgrade everyhing to max and stuff

and then i actually start playing

[opal nymph]

So yeah that might explain why you arent learning

You just have everything immediately

[shadow girder]

yeah xd

it takes way too long otherwise

and i enjoy playing that way

[opal nymph]

Just do the 1939 start date

It's a mess

But lets you fight immediately

[shadow girder]

i get dominated in the air and i get naval invasions xd

i cant keep up with that

i always play as the US

[opal nymph]

Play Germany or someone in Europe

[shadow girder]

i did, its so boring for me i dont like to play that way

i feel comf with usa

i just wish it was still a dlc man

i miss playing hoi4 xd

[opal nymph]

You never played hoi4

You played with research all which is a very different game

Since you can steamroller everyone

[shadow girder]

thats true i cant lie

but yk i am someone that likes everything organized

and keep it a nice experience for me since i hate multiple wars at once and stuff yk

but yeah i never played hoi4

[opal nymph]

This is hoi4, its a ww2 game

Expect multiple fronts

You can organize multiple fronts

[shadow girder]

yep but yeah like i said its too messy for me

[opal nymph]

Or focus on 1 and hold the other

[shadow girder]

and it makes me want to reset

[shadow girder]

i want to actually try and play hoi4 without cheats

[opal nymph]

Sometimes the fun is trying to win a losing situation

[dim vine]

Hey there, so I am playing as Germany and I already did one nuclear strike on Hiroshima but when I try to do the second, it says that I don't have any, I have 219 in my stockpiles and I tried to nuke them again but it still says the same thing, what can I do?
I need to do it so I can end the war, I don't want to waste so much of my manpower and equipment by naval invading.

[shadow girder]

which country do u recommend

[shadow girder]

nuclear reactors?

[opal nymph]

Germany is a beginner friendly nation

[opal nymph]

Did you vaporize the Japanese fleet to be under 30 ships

[dim vine]

@shadow girder There is a mod named Millennium Dawn, it's pretty much modern day and you don't start off with a million wars at once.

[opal nymph]

Millenium Dawn sucks

Trash mod

[dim vine]

I don't think they have any ships left lol

[shadow girder]

i know man i tried it

and it is alot more to learn

[dim vine]

tripping

[shadow girder]

nah it sucks really

[opal nymph]

Feature bloat

[shadow girder]

its tooo much

[opal nymph]

Slow game

[shadow girder]

i have to learn the game allover again.

[dim vine]

i like it cause it's more complicated

[opal nymph]

Set in a time of peace between majors

[shadow girder]

i play road to 56

always

[opal nymph]

Play Black Ice

[shadow girder]

i found a way to revert the game back thank god

i can continue playing xd

but i will try without cheats tho

[dim vine]

i mean you can recreate the soviets or bring back the nazis and you can do much more

[opal nymph]

Not even bothering to learn the game in its current state?

[opal nymph]

Unrealistic

[shadow girder]

hell no i hated man the guns so much xdd

[opal nymph]

MAD would end any war within 5 hours probably

[shadow girder]

i literally started to undertsna

understand

untill the update

[opal nymph]

My dude

You know what man the guns did

Add a naval designer

[shadow girder]

navy

and

[opal nymph]

Everything else was base game

[shadow girder]

acces area

[opal nymph]

Literally everything else navy wise

Aside from sea zone access

[shadow girder]

but the thing

idk what its called

political decisions

yeah

its also alot ne

new

[opal nymph]

Decisions? In the game since 2017

[shadow girder]

i dont understand a single thing too

no but with man the guns

it had new ones

[opal nymph]

Congress?

[shadow girder]

ahh yess

[opal nymph]

Just do small lobby effort

Also that's base game

[shadow girder]

nono i meant with man the guns, it had new decisions

like navy treaties

warn countries

and alot more

but for me it was so much new

[opal nymph]

The naval treaty just limits the designer

That's about it

It goes away when ww2 happens

[shadow girder]

ahh damn

what about

designing the ships

it has a limit

cant i bypass it?

or is that impossible

[opal nymph]

You can, it is called abandoning the treaty (not recommended) or wait for ww2 to happen

[shadow girder]

man i never knew this

what is the most important thing in the game?

is it supply?

[opal nymph]

Probably air

Air is king

If you can win the air war, you win the war

[shadow girder]

lets say i have a fully maxed out air with 20 planes and the opponent has 100 or 500 not maxed out

would i stil win?

and i have a green zone

[opal nymph]

Huh

Planes are measured in 100s btw

[shadow girder]

ow

[opal nymph]

Each air wing is 100 planes

[shadow girder]

i thought i saw 500 idk

ah okok

[opal nymph]

It is quality > quality

[shadow girder]

quantity

[opal nymph]

But you still should have good numbers if possible

Quality

[shadow girder]

oh fr?

[opal nymph]

Crap planes get shot down

It doesn't matter if you have 1000 planes

If the enemy has 100 planes better than yours, they will wipe you and have like 70+ planes remianing

[opal nymph]

Name your super heavy ships

Also holy smokes the date

[clear dagger]

what should i name them

[opal nymph]

Idk

It's Dutch

Idk anything dutch

[clear dagger]

its luxembourgish

[opal nymph]

Oh, thought you made united netherlands

Guess the top bar isnt orange

[clear dagger]

havent united them yet

[warped flint]

my cpu refuses diplomacy

[clear dagger]

whos the "ARMY OF GOD"?

[kind vale]

What is with the ai in the japan civil war

How can I not push

[autumn pebble]

Skill issue

[kind vale]

Nah

[autumn pebble]

How tf did you even see that

[kind vale]

They keep putting units on a tile right before I take ot

[clear dagger]

because i was looking at all the rogue usa names

[autumn pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma985-whatever-go-my-jerma-gif-13113563184974228262

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/star-gif-16789607377123159596

[warped flint]

I can zoom in more if you want

Some died tho

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-kids-lemme-zoom-in-on-that-zoom-watching-you-spy-gif-5212510

[warped flint]

west coast

the south

new england

uh michigan is just nazis

[autumn pebble]

Yo 1 thousand

Holy shit

[autumn pebble]

Loser front is real

[clear dagger]

whats florida

the kkk?

[warped flint]

The uh

Yk the german word for like atomic bombs or something

Atom

[warped flint]

Those guys were in georgia and died

[clear dagger]

antibabypillen?

[warped flint]

Lowkey I need to reread the rules idk if I can say that or not

[split fulcrum]

Atombombe?

That is what google translate is telling me

[clear dagger]

or dms

[warped flint]

Just wanted to be safe since I dont wanna get warned

[wicked sentinel]

what width for marines to invade britain with?

[misty fossil]

67

just kidding. 36

or 35.2 if you do a mix of mountaineers and marines

8 marines 10 mountaineers. go down mountaineer doctrine and pick hold the line for mountaineer cw reduction

[wicked sentinel]

we love historical 1940

paradox try not to release a broken dlc challenge

[tulip thorn]

So I have been doing it right

I literally had no idea what the good combat width for naval invasions was

So I just went with 36

[misty fossil]

well unless its peru or chile you're going to naval invade into plains tiles

[tulip thorn]

If I have to invade chile, ill normally go through argentina first

Way easier and less annoying that way

[misty fossil]

well if i ever naval invade chile id do it with my 36w heavy amphibious tanks anyway

so idc about cw

[tulip thorn]

Amph tanks my beloved

I really dont hate them

[misty fossil]

amphib tanks are goated

[tulip thorn]

They are actually really good

I have had to use them alot on my current us game

The germans have way to much air for my normal marines to land

But my amph tanks have no issue

[misty fossil]

you can just grind their air down?

ur the us

[tulip thorn]

They had over 200k planes in stock pile

Im not waiting decades to beat all that

[misty fossil]

then build more

[tulip thorn]

300 factories on planes

[misty fossil]

i love lategame grinds

[buoyant heath]

what year is it? how did they even get that many

[tulip thorn]

I gave them huge stock piles

Because I wanted germany to be a slog

Took me to 1944 to land in italy

and 1946 to take parts of france

[clear dagger]

oh that seems easy compared to the pain i brought upon myself

[trim pike]

This all would be so easy with old nukes

Insta delete planes and divs

[clear dagger]

i would need ten thousand nukes to defeat the monster i have created

[tulip thorn]

I gave germany 4m of each type of equipment

[clear dagger]

they also rule and core the world

[dusky burrow]

Volunteer only gameplay after China war be like

Okay the ethiopia part wasn't volunteers either, but the Phillippines, Australia, and Indonesia were. New Zealand elected to remain in the Allies, which is annoying

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/soviet-union-propaganda-stalinium-gif-16289670004460099406

[dusky burrow]

Nah I left Stalin to his own devices

[clear dagger]

spread the will of marx

[wraith mauve]

Hoi4 is best game hoi4 has consumed me as a person hoi4 is everything but… (God is still better

Many people look over that Karl Marx was a German

[deep geyser]

how do i customize my faction

[wraith mauve]

Wdym

Like name?

[deep geyser]

yeah

idk what else u thinl

https://tenor.com/view/quikjug-ishowspeed-gif-1496328861346971189

[wraith mauve]

No comprises no surrender do you have dat or no?

[deep geyser]

yes

[wraith mauve]

If u eannna change name remove it and make new one

[deep geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/746690621414047794/1099826797035663370/9EECED6B-E23C-40A7-A576-F9F09CF1FAE3.gif

dumbass mechanic

nice one paradox

[wraith mauve]

Why? Is that bad?

[deep geyser]

why are you so helpless and clueless my real one

[wraith mauve]

Tuff or nah (I didn’t make this)

[wraith mauve]

Tfr mod Is my 2nd favorite mod

[dusky burrow]

poland partitioned into four parts lmao

[dry briar]

Kaiserreich

[sage karma]

Federation of Greater Australia is fascist?

[dusky burrow]

"greater australia"

[wraith mauve]

Tfr better mod fr

[dry briar]

Semi-authoritarian federalism

[sage karma]

so fascism

[dry briar]

Australian nationalism

[sage karma]

aka fascism

[elfin edge]

Nice

[dry briar]

500 years...

[dusky burrow]

ah yes fake depth

out of all the examples reddit could have given, this is the worst one RIP

[safe wing]

Coal?

[leaden mulch]

Old nukes my beloved

[gentle void]

should I spam heavy light or medium planes?

[dusky burrow]

in most cases, especially in europe, light planes

heavy planes are best for strategic bombing

medium planes are the odd middle child, with the range and bombing potential of heavy planes but can also act as fighters and close air support. However for each of these roles they are more expensive at it

[gentle void]

aight cuz I wanna go for america after I invade europe

[shrewd hill]

you should only use mediums for tac support

Heavy fighters get slaughtered cos of lack of agility and speed

[dusky burrow]

I would not say they get slaughtered

Actually they can be pretty good

However they still trade worse ic-wise

[regal heron]

is total mob worth it? since it give -3% recruitable

[surreal mist]

total mob unlocks women in the workforce decision for +3% recruitable

[regal heron]

reosnable

dwg

[clear dagger]

the music in question:

[gentle void]

btw how to get reich kommesarriat easier?

[misty fossil]

r/imaginarymaps is that way sir

[hidden gull]

It's a decision you make after you occupy the needed territory for one

[rich sand]

ai germany sucks in the new update

[dusky burrow]

oof

[keen vale]

lol

[clear dagger]

i can see 5 things wrong with this lol

nvm 6

what did you do

[inner iron]

The Soviet AI eats even more rocks because AI Japan is so keen on going to war with them and trash the soviets in Siberia

I was on a hist game and Japan still declared on the comintern

Grabbing stuff all the way to the Urals

[analog ivy]

they had 7 million casualties when i played as soviets against them and i only encircled like 10 divs

i was mainly just holding

[gentle void]

btw one questio

how tf do I defeat france and belgium after caping the netherlands?

[copper cobalt]

As Germany?

[gentle void]

ye

cuz everytime I try do something The french always cap me ig

idk if its just skill issue

or I must be doing something worng

[inner iron]

The French barely put up a fight on the Maginot, so I just leave a shovel army of like 20 divs on their line there

The rest of the main army can swarm the Benelux easily

Especially under green air

[minor flint]

LESS GOO

[copper cobalt]

Somehow the mughals returned

[regal heron]

should i

[copper cobalt]

Also at that poin Bangladesh would need to put the Japanese style rising sun on a green background in the fpag

[copper cobalt]

yes!

Glory to the MIC

[regal heron]

fr

[copper cobalt]

if the expansion stops you'll get shot

[regal heron]

what that really do?

[copper cobalt]

Idk

[regal heron]

🥀

[copper cobalt]

Idk where's that from

[regal heron]

csa

communist us

[copper cobalt]

ah

nvr got to doin it

[steel summit]

whats the strongest manchuko path as for now?

[copper cobalt]

did they change much?

It's still obedience and independence isn't it?

Why be a bich when u can be a king

[inner iron]

Strongest manchu is japan swapping to dem or com path

Idk if it still happens but Manchukuo can hijack a decent portion of the Japanese navy when they go through a civil war

Probably still a thing when jap goes commie

[copper cobalt]

yeah that used to be the case but i don't think I've ever seen Japan go commie when a player is playing Manchukuo

I've tried getting it on ahist it nvr happened

[clear dagger]

how to defeat luxembourg as germany

they are too strong

[copper cobalt]

you have to defeat France first to flank them

Or a Molotov ribbontrop style partition

[steel summit]

yeah im splitting from the japs

[copper cobalt]

As you should

Claim the mandate of heaven

[steel summit]

my question is

[copper cobalt]

Date a man from heaven

[steel summit]

should i do left or right now?

[peak crow]

fellas

new dlc is so bad

and too expensive

[inner iron]

What's so bad about it

[peak crow]

focus trees are bad

you find better focus threes in workshop

[heavy vigil]

just read through them

[steel summit]

thats what im doing rn

[inner iron]

I'm inclined to disagree with that one

[steel summit]

imma go democratic

[inner iron]

As long as you have an option to steal equipment from Japan, any path should be fine

In the old update, you stole like 15k guns, a few hundred planes and some artillery from them

Plus it debuffs them a lot for half a year

Gives you an easier time to swarm them out of Korea

[lethal ether]

whats the best grand doctrine for submarine spam

[inner iron]

Trade interdiction and capital hunter subdoctrine

[lethal ether]

thanks

[inner iron]

When you get to sub 3's, you can start considering always engage on the subs and start knocking out actual ships

Sub 4's and anaechoic tiles makes them nearly invisible in deep oceans

You can actually keep huge navies stuck in battles and destroy oil consumption for the enemy

[lethal ether]

will do

thx for the help

[peak crow]

mechanics good ik but i dont like focus trees

and chinese history is kinda wrong

[shrewd hill]

Which focus trees do you dislike?

[peak crow]

dai li is not a bss leader

[peak crow]

japan

and china

prc is good

[shrewd hill]

probably not, but before the DLC they made it out like Wang Jingwei was a fascist

he would automatically become leader of a fascist China

[inner iron]

Prc and base china are both hilariously broken in their respective ways

[shrewd hill]

even though he was in the left faction of the GMD

[shrewd hill]

Japan inf meta is obscene too

+20% artillery attack +20% inf attack -30% supply consumption

[inner iron]

Blue shirt China stacks so much core defence that I had 2k defence with basic shovel infantry

It was impossible to naval invade me

[shrewd hill]

oh shit don’t forget about training time as Blue China

nothing like an infinite manpower pool and a -40% training time

[inner iron]

Like I was at war with the allies and they couldn't break my coast with a 60 div naval invasion

With amtracs

[peak crow]

im playin r6 rn

brb

[inner iron]

I don't train my units anyway, they instantly get up to seasoned level through combat alone

I think prc does it even more easily for me

I had like 72 divs of just veterans

[peak crow]

i know its broken

but focuses are not good

you will find better focus trees in workshop

[inner iron]

I don't remember rt56 china and prc ever being good

Focus tree wise

They both in fact sucked

[peak crow]

im not say rt56 is better

[inner iron]

I'm totally fine with the new focus trees because they actually remedied the one gripe I had with Asia

Resources

I've always been spoiled with coal, steel and tungsten in China

With a decent stock of aluminium and chromium to kickstart planes and expensive subs

Something I was crippled with in the old updates

[ripe slate]

PRC doesnt have a great non-DLC tree but its still much more fun than vanilla's basically generic one without DLC

China Ive not playtested much, huge tree

[lavish cliff]

part 2

[fading elk]

Time to yeet 80 tank divs at Ukraine

[sharp sierra]

what do you like about the mechanics

[neat kayak]

Is Jan 1940 a good time to peace japan as China?

Casual player

[gleaming iron]

i found bugs

[frank zodiac]

hi

[spring vector]

hello

I'm currently playing a world conquest game with some of my friends that are new to hoi

this is how they organize their divisions

[inner iron]

Rommel will conquer the world

[spring vector]

😭

[sudden thistle]

Bro

[inner iron]

Default templates shall beat the Italian cavalry tanks ezpz

[inner iron]

Historical rendition of the isonzo offensives

[eternal palm]

The 12 Battles of Brenner Pass 😭

[eternal palm]

Yk, instead of making fun of your friends you could help them 🤔

[spring vector]

I'm trying 😭

I have no units after the civil war

I'm trying to be damage control rn

[split fulcrum]

please tell them what "supply" is

[spring vector]

I HAVE BEEN 😭😭😭😭

[split fulcrum]

do they have any experience in other paradox games?

[spring vector]

this is their first strategy game

[split fulcrum]

o

Youre cooked

[viscid swift]

Yo guys if ai is historical will it always try to so stuff roughgly when it was? Like anschluss on march of 1938 or will it Just do it ASAP?

[spring vector]

actually

the soviets are justifying on them

we're so cooked

[split fulcrum]

historic pretty sure

[slender pelican]

i think focuses are done around their historical times, d-day could happen in 1941 though since the combat ai doesn't care about history

[azure palm]

I just realised, basicly every nation in hoi4 is communist as you dont pay money for production of military equipment

[slender pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-jesse-walter-white-gif-25245234

[inner iron]

The allies tend to prioritise pummeling Italy first

[slender pelican]

true

[azure palm]

facism, democracy and monarchism in hoi4 = communism

[slim nexus]

Why

[slender pelican]

well that or funneling 200 million divisions into Greece

[azure palm]

Do you pay money for production of weapons?

[inner iron]

It's why AI Italy tends to feel like a shitshow

Because they literally have to deal with a lot

[slender pelican]

they were also shite in real life so i mean

historically accurate

[azure palm]

Wasnt italy like quite strong until they, well, werent?

[slender pelican]

not really

[azure palm]

Really? I thought they had a good army until in WW2 it wasnt good

[slender pelican]

even with full might i wouldnt be suprised if mussolini got pushed back into albania

[azure palm]

by who though?

[slender pelican]

greece

[azure palm]

makes sense

[inner iron]

I mean I've noticed that the Italian AI is quite competent when you help them lock down the med and then they can actually build up in safety

[slender pelican]

you have to spoonfeed them to get them to be a competent ally

[inner iron]

They're one of the few AI's to build decent battleships in bulk and successfully land in Britain on their own

[slender pelican]

navy is good though, army is just sticks and stones

[azure palm]

Also Italy is a really strong country in general at the start of the game. Sometimes the AI is shit though.

[pseudo saddle]

Italy either stomps or doesn't its not in between honestly

[azure palm]

you just have to industrialize

[azure palm]

EXACTLY!

[pseudo saddle]

They either lock down the med and form rome or just die

[inner iron]

Italy especially seems to shine when Spain ends up in the Axis