hoi4-general

[daring geyser]

i think it's because your soldiers are charging against the enemies under what looks like red air with forkpits and torches

[coral gorge]

[daring geyser]

you have like 20% strength

you're live action roleplaying the russian army in 1916

[devout trench]

forkpits?

pitch forks?

[daring geyser]

pitch forks yeah

i think i am growing senile

[devout trench]

most likely

when all the hoi players are old and senile hoi5 will be released

[coral gorge]

well, HoI5 content is still being updated every day

[daring geyser]

alzheimer's disease hoi4 gaming

[coral gorge]

[devout trench]

needs to be a mod fr

just randomly half your army disappers when your not looking

[daring geyser]

i had an idea to make that mod but im so lazy

and also traumatized

[devout trench]

90% of all civs disapper

[daring geyser]

the 1.17 update broke my mod

i worked on it for like 4 full days

[tepid nova]

Searching for a USA rework mod thats compatible with RT56 is probably the most difficult task I have ever done

[daring geyser]

just to fix it

[zinc light]

Does R56 Not have a new USA tree?

[devout trench]

Isn’t rt56 already a USA rework?

[zinc light]

Check the custom settings, you can switch countries from vanilla to R56 tree

[tulip thorn]

Yes

Cult of washington

[devout trench]

RT56 got some the worse trees ngl

[split fulcrum]

I would be scared too if i saw whatever a forkpit is charging at me

[tepid nova]

Its barely changed

[tepid nova]

Nah

[daring geyser]

dig a pit and put a bunch of forks in it

[tepid nova]

The RT56 USA tree is barely changed, has a bit more depth but still the same old boring stuff

[heavy vigil]

@ripe slate fix this 🤬

[coral gorge]

[tepid nova]

ngl the USA for being a major, probably has the worst focus tree in the entire game now

[tulip thorn]

you atleast got the cult of washington

Thats something

[tepid nova]

yay..

[coral gorge]

nah Japan tree is still bad

bloated as hell

[tepid nova]

WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON

[heavy vigil]

its worse in a way

[coral gorge]

the faction mechanics are fun though

[tulip thorn]

Name George Washington the first fascist

[heavy vigil]

like you have more focuses for the same thing

[coral gorge]

but otherwise the tree is just bloated and well

[heavy vigil]

but its cool

[coral gorge]

very poorly organized

[heavy vigil]

i like new content

[daring geyser]

back then benjamin, back when italy and the ussr had the worst focus trees ever

[tepid nova]

Yea but Paradox fixed that... For the Price of a AAA game

[upbeat vector]

AFTER PLAYING EU 5 For like 10 hours yesterday, as unified saxony, in the holy roman empire, that torture is in fact real

[tepid nova]

The USA is still neglected

[split fulcrum]

@tepid nova does division strength mean their will to fight or how full the division is

[coral gorge]

USA tree is just neglected,

it isn't the same kind of bad that Japan tree still is

[heavy vigil]

thats how much stuff is in the unit

[tepid nova]

Wrost thing is, there won't be a USA rework for another year, because in the entire pack for 50 dollars or whatever, doesnt have anything usa related

[upbeat vector]

The holy roman empire cna go f itself. F bohemia

[heavy vigil]

org is their willingness

[daring geyser]

fun fact the USA probably today has less focuses than it had in 1.0

before MTG the USA had the whole "pax americana" branch, now replaced by the monroe doctrine

[tepid nova]

Means how much equipment they have
90% means they need 10% more equipment to be full strength
Once they lack equipment they are worse at fighting

[split fulcrum]

Does troops count in that?

[coral gorge]

nah it still has more now

[tepid nova]

I dont know for sure, I never lack manpower, but I would guess so

[edgy wedge]

how

[upbeat vector]

China next special project

[edgy wedge]

ive never seen this before

[heavy vigil]

tac whens the 1.0 mp game

[split fulcrum]

so two divisions at half strength is the same as one in full strength

[heavy vigil]

next week?

[daring geyser]

joseph shadow goebbels

[tepid nova]

You made me laugh, congrats.

[heavy vigil]

just be like yo we reverting to 1.0

[daring geyser]

april first

[heavy vigil]

yoooo

can you make your mod compatible

[daring geyser]

it might have to be a 1.6 mp game

[coral gorge]

wait you guys can revert back to 1.0?

[daring geyser]

hoi4 betas dont even have 1.0 anymore

[heavy vigil]

1.5.4

[tepid nova]

Yes, and you can consolidate them by having them on the same tile and pressing the consolidate button which is where you also delete them
Consolidating takes their equipment and mnapower, and turns them into 1 stronger division

[coral gorge]

I have a 1.0 copy but

[heavy vigil]

thats the oldesr modded version

[coral gorge]

I doubt anybody else does

at leasst the ones who speak here

[daring geyser]

youre a criminal btw

[heavy vigil]

you can revert unless you mean physical

[ripe slate]

Im actually gonna expand it today

[daring geyser]

the first version of hoi4 i played was 1.3

[coral gorge]

I have every version of HoI4 saved somewhere

[radiant pelican]

jucie

[tepid nova]

If you are lying I will cry

[daring geyser]

good ole days

[manic iris]

waht do i do in the time being

[ripe slate]

Im fr, though Ill probably only change the cold war part for now

[tepid nova]

Yea heres the main USA focus tree
Not very fun

Took me a while to get

my game loads slow

[ripe slate]

Now the DLC parts of USA are integrated, we might as well wait for vanilla do their eventual rework of it

[tepid nova]

Please marijn I need this

[daring geyser]

my usa is kinda homeles

[tepid nova]

my usa is kinda useless

[daring geyser]

i live with roosevelt i wanna help him out

[tepid nova]

the issue is just

[coral gorge]

[tepid nova]

there is plenty of usa rework mods

but none are rt56 compadible

and like

I cant play without rt56

[coral gorge]

that's just weakness then

well

[upbeat vector]

Marjin gonna add drone strikes to usa

[coral gorge]

you can plug it into RT56

[ripe slate]

❤️

[tepid nova]

Realism at its finest

[manic iris]

guys

[tepid nova]

I swear the base game feels so empty without it

[ripe slate]

We dont even have the Road to 56 server in common though we do have another cool one in common xd

[coral gorge]

if your US mod has event, national focus, and decision files,

60% chance you can plug it into RT56 without any noticeable bugs

[tepid nova]

I left the RT56 one not long ago ✌️ But I was in it for a while

And we don't talk about that other one.

[daring geyser]

its what i thought too, no way rt56 is so different that simply replacing a national focus file breaks the game

[ripe slate]

We add more states for the US but for the most part it should work

[ripe slate]

😔

oh why leave

[coral gorge]

it wouldn't matter that much anyway because RT56 doesn't have a thorough state revamp

[daring geyser]

if the mod doesnt replace history/states/

[coral gorge]

so like for the most parts most US mod won't actually break it

[daring geyser]

actually nvmd i forgot

[tepid nova]

Im organized, every server is in its own folder
But i cant really jusdt have a folder with RT56 server because that is a "Hoi4 mod servers" folder then
But a folder with 1 server doesnt work, so I left

[coral gorge]

the biggest issue is probably missing characters

and missing loc

but otherwise nat focus, decision, event files are where most of the content is

[tepid nova]

Hoi4 just needs to like
BEcome hoi5

[coral gorge]

nah HoI5 is still being updated

devs don't know how historical focus on HoI5 will be

not yet

[tepid nova]

Hoi5 will come out November 20th 2028

Wait and see

Paradox has to squeeze a bit more money out of us

[upbeat vector]

I wish i could do that in EU5 with but i cant really and even if i could the holy roman empire as much as it is a shitpost im protected for now

Whatever that mean

Hot mess

[tepid nova]

ye ye

[upbeat vector]

Just LET ME OUT

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-let-me-out-gif-18252480

[tepid nova]

Im lost

What country do I play in hoi4

[upbeat vector]

Saxony

Eu5*

[tepid nova]

I dont play Eu5

[upbeat vector]

Hoi4 this wouldnt be an issue

[tepid nova]

I play hoi4
Then a bit of stellaris, but its not as fun
And I tried victoria 3, but its boring

Hoi4 and its focus trees get me pulled in

[upbeat vector]

Me when eu5 starts in 1337 and 9 years later the black plague walks in

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[tepid nova]

Me when

[spiral sphinx]

[upbeat vector]

Im.gonna transfer my save the victoria 3 after i am done with eu5

But not hoi4

Hoi4 i did once and it is poo

Like the file transfer

[spiral sphinx]

average game after 1955

[upbeat vector]

Not the game

Hoi4 is peak

[tepid nova]

ANother thing that pisses me off is like

Hoi4 has all these epic special projects

but the game is over by 1946

How do you expect me to squeeze out all this cool stuff in that small time frame

[spiral sphinx]

just play longer

[tepid nova]

Brutal

[spiral sphinx]

irk

[upbeat vector]

Legit eu5 last 500 years, victoria3 100 years, hoi4 10 years

Hoi4 is by far the quickest game

[tepid nova]

And hoi4 runs horrible after 6

[tepid nova]

Stellaris with 200 aswell

[upbeat vector]

Stellaris is only 200?

[tepid nova]

Its like

yea

I think so

[upbeat vector]

I thought i was more i remember correctly

[tepid nova]

But you can change it to longer if oyuwant

[spiral sphinx]

just play as usa and only do specil projects

[upbeat vector]

Stellaris, a game about galactic quonquest lasting only 200 years

Imma cry

[tepid nova]

The reason I want hoi5 isnt like some crazy stuff, I just want upgraded performance and a bigger map, with urban combat and artillery strikes, battle plans like "Bomb the frontline headquarters -7% org for 35 days" and stuff

[tepid nova]

You can make it longer

[upbeat vector]

Hoi5 is gonna be maximum lobotomized mode

If it ever comes out

[tepid nova]

November 20th 2028

Wait and see

[solemn bay]

Is this bad

[tepid nova]

Half life 3 or Hoi5? Which releases sooner

[tepid nova]

Depends when you bought it

[solemn bay]

I got it in like june 2022, and didn't start using the game until like June of 2024 and now

[upbeat vector]

Hoi5, you start playing and you instantlyfeel like lobotomized, it is not a bug

It is a feature

[tepid nova]

thats bad

[solemn bay]

I want HOI5

[eternal palm]

I beg to differ

[tepid nova]

We all want Hoi5

But paradox isnt done selling us reworks over countries that shouldnt need a rework for 50 dollars

[eternal palm]

If and only if they don't use clausewitz engine

[solemn bay]

I see I must level up my game now 😭🙏

[tepid nova]

when they are, we might see hoi5 surface

[eternal palm]

If its that engine again I will kill myslf

[tepid nova]

What even is clausewitz engine, I never heard of it before 💔 I just see it when I load in

[eternal palm]

.....the reason hoi4 runs like shit

Do u not know what a game engine is

[upbeat vector]

But honestly hoi4 came out after eu4 and victoria2 so it makes sense it didnt really have a follow up yet, more importantly the graphics ingame are very similar to their new entries

[tepid nova]

yarr

[paper echo]

finally pushing

took me long enough

[upbeat vector]

So idk why they would make a new game entirelly yes

[tepid nova]

Modern paradox games dont run as bad, they just need to fix it and seems like they did

[safe wing]

Total war has a shit engine too

[upbeat vector]

4 million mp LOOOOLLLL

[tepid nova]

What game DOESNT have a shit engine

[paper echo]

thats low for china

veery low

[upbeat vector]

What is it

[tepid nova]

Its a software/program

[upbeat vector]

Do they use the same engine for victoria 3 and eu5

[tepid nova]

you build the game in

[tepid nova]

Im pretty sure ye

[upbeat vector]

Paradox please tell me you didnt

Omfg

[tepid nova]

I know people dont like when I say it but

Victoria 3 is unbelievably boring

[upbeat vector]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-american-psycho-business-card-gif-25561759

[upbeat vector]

True

[autumn pebble]

Hoi5 you deploy to the frontlines in real life

[upbeat vector]

But not true

[tepid nova]

And I bought the game plus all DLCs, only to play it for a dozen hours and never touch it again

[tepid nova]

Very true

Just old politics simulator

I would never cheat on hoi4

[upbeat vector]

It really feels like it was made to export the saves fo e4 or eu5 into victoria 3 and continue your game intot he victorian world with the victorian stuff mabob

And economies

Which im fine with

600 years gameplay

[eternal palm]

It basically gives the game its "feel", from physics, to graphics to how units interact, thats what the game engine does. Think of it as the frame work in which hoi4 works

[upbeat vector]

As saxony

[tepid nova]

Yes, I bought the music packs for Hoi4 ✌️

[weary whale]

Guys is fire rises mod easy? And is it like a modern world or still ww2?

[upbeat vector]

Ever wanted to lobotomize yourself?

Yes?

The fire rise is for you

[weary whale]

Yes

Okay sure then I'll try it

[tepid nova]

Millenium dawn being the Worst Hoi4 mod and also the most laggy one is crazy ✌️

[upbeat vector]

And yes you cna quote me ont hat because nothing in that mod makes much sense

[lost hemlock]

i love how this stuff can make no sense at times

[upbeat vector]

Like actual lobotomy

[autumn pebble]

Similar interests

[tepid nova]

??

[lost hemlock]

maybe but also theyre not on the continent of europe

[autumn pebble]

Multi-continental system

✅

[upbeat vector]

Hoi4 is about war, victoria3 is about trade and exonomy (sometimes war) and eu5 is about expension, economy and diplomacy (sometimes war).

[autumn pebble]

Slava hungary

[tepid nova]

Economy is grown in war
Trade isn't needed when you can use conquest to secure resources
Diplomacy leads to war
Expansion is war

Everything is War

Hoi4 is War

[autumn pebble]

Peace is war?

[upbeat vector]

Lmao basically

[zinc light]

War is war

[tepid nova]

peace leads to war

[zinc light]

Then what is Stellaris about?

[tepid nova]

Enslavement and racism

[zinc light]

Fair enough

[tepid nova]

Im not joking

[zinc light]

I know, I got 750 hours in it

[tepid nova]

Its always so profitable to literally just use other alien species as livestock for food 💔

[tepid nova]

Wow

[zinc light]

Most played game

(behind League but we dont Talk about League)

[tepid nova]

League

No way

[autumn pebble]

Guys are we excited for thunder at our gates and peace in our time

[tepid nova]

No

[autumn pebble]

But like

[tepid nova]

Like

[autumn pebble]

Czechoslovakia

[zinc light]

I quit several years ago

[tepid nova]

I have never been less excited about hoi4 Dlc

[zinc light]

I got Infernals to play

[autumn pebble]

Peace in our time might finally be eastern europe theatre pack

https://tenor.com/view/peak-its-so-peak-praying-hands-praying-black-guy-gif-9969548697603007069

[zinc light]

Hoi4 was more of a gap filler

It's fun

[safe wing]

Alright I need to prepare to conquer Anatolia in my Byzantine campaign

[tepid nova]

It sjust a single focus tree for Czechoslovakia

[zinc light]

But wears Off rather quick for me

[tepid nova]

WHO NO ONE PLAYS

[autumn pebble]

They will

[zinc light]

Have fun, it's pain since you cant do port strats anymore

[safe wing]

Same

[autumn pebble]

Once we get the tree

[zinc light]

Turkey will never get any meaningful naval supremacy

[safe wing]

Different game btw

[tepid nova]

An austrian focus tree was never needed
A Czechoslovakian one is not needed

[zinc light]

Oh

[tepid nova]

If they really wanted to make one, they could have put it with no step back

[safe wing]

I’m Byzantium in 1132 ad

[tepid nova]

and updated poland with the göttedamerung or however you spell it

[zinc light]

My Brother
Hungary and Austria got one in GDR

[safe wing]

Not 1444

[zinc light]

Or rather got updated

[tepid nova]

Yea

But they could have replaced Congo focus and belgian with Poland for that dlc

and given Czechoslovakia one in No step back

[zinc light]

Congo really didnt need one

[tepid nova]

And given beligum a focus for the focus pack coming next year

[tepid nova]

EXCACTLY

waste of time to make one for the "Biggest dlc"

[zinc light]

Yup

[tepid nova]

PURE filler content to justify a humongous price

[zinc light]

They shouldve instead Made a better netherlands tree

[tepid nova]

They should just make ALL dlcs before no step back free

Majority of focus trees if not all before no step back sucks anyways

[autumn pebble]

Yes it was

I love screwing germany

[tepid nova]

WHAT

nvm

yay.

[autumn pebble]

Also hungary is peak focus tree

[spring relic]

will there be a dominions rework

[tepid nova]

And also, why does hoi4 dlcs take so long to get made? It really doesnt feel like it should take too long to plop in a new focus tree, make some new 3D models which has a total of 30 polygons and hire some VA's for voice acting

[tepid nova]

If paradox can find a way to charge us 35 dollars, yes

[spring relic]

im from an asian country it costs way more

ncns is like 100 here

[safe wing]

I’m preparing for a war against the Seljuk Sultante of Run but first I gotta take Cilica

[tepid nova]

I wasnt even really excited for a Chinese warloard rework/commie china rework this DLC

it was mostly the faction stuff and doctrines I was excited about.. and coal!

[sudden thistle]

win

[upbeat vector]

Exploration, politics, research and war

[viscid stirrup]

absolutely not

[upbeat vector]

Is a blend of evrrything

[safe wing]

No

[viscid stirrup]

this the great northern war?

[upbeat vector]

EU5 when you part of the hre and the pope decides that bohemia had enough

[misty fossil]

your mother /s

[urban ivy]

u forgot cleansing

[safe wing]

I’m larping as the Komnenos dynasty in modded medieval 2 rn

[urban ivy]

geno simulator

[upbeat vector]

The pope: okay gang, lets go destroy soome faces
France and uk still at war:
Okay pall just a sec

We need to destroy the face of bohemia

It is imperative

[autumn pebble]

I need eu5 so i can play bohemia

[viscid stirrup]

the crusades were actually so crazy

knights from literally every christian country showed up

[safe wing]

Manuel Komnenos won his first battle at 20

[upbeat vector]

Pretty strong but the pope gets pissed about you in 1394? Around that i forgor

And you get 200k man in your face

Oh yeah

[tepid nova]

Yall excited for Middle America DLC for 25 euros? ✌️ 😂

[upbeat vector]

Your army is 30k

Cause its the 1300s

So good luck

[safe wing]

I’m excited for whenever the team behind the mod for Stainless steel historical improvement project releases version 0.99

[urban ivy]

polish hussars

[safe wing]

And that costs me 0 usd

[urban ivy]

fml that's 1500+

[upbeat vector]

Me when constentinople falls 50 years ahead of irl timeline

https://tenor.com/view/sassy-who-the-hell-cares-peter-family-guy-gif-5547786

Lel

Like the byzantines had a solide shot prior to the black plague

After it you are basically screwed

That leaves a 9 year window

[safe wing]

Proceeds to build water conductors in medieval 2 total war

[steep slate]

Isn't Stainless Steel a MTW2 mod?

[safe wing]

I’m playing the historical accuracy edition

And yes

[steep slate]

Or is my brain too scrambled and I am mistaking names

ah, ok, then my brain is not 100% fried yet, good

[safe wing]

Last update was in May 2024

[upbeat vector]

thats fine the polish and lithuanians are proabbly about to kiss or something in my save

[safe wing]

Jadwiga was gonna get her cheeks clapped by the king of Lithuania* 😏

[upbeat vector]

sounds about right

[coral girder]

Yo when Carribean DLC i need my cuban focus tree to get bulgaria

Plsss

[upbeat vector]

what

[coral girder]

I need Carribean dlc

Cuba, hispaniola, Puerto Rican empire

[autumn pebble]

Actually that does sound fun

Banana empire

[heavy vigil]

can you add US content until 2001

just use like 365 day focuses fr

maybe longer

like a 2000 day focus people would love to do that and it should give like 3 civs 1% stability and -3% war support

[heavy vigil]

sheep mod loc when....

[analog ivy]

70 day focus : 1 civ and do that 50 times and that'll do

[autumn pebble]

35 day focus: 700 buffs

[heavy vigil]

oh it should add 1% consuemr goods factor too

each time

for fun

[ripe slate]

Even halve that time is very hard to fill

[upbeat vector]

add drone strikes

will fill it all

[ripe slate]

📝

[sonic sand]

idk if this is intentional or a mistake

[prisma zealot]

guys what was the damn point of adding coal into the game

[eternal palm]

kek

[prisma zealot]

like literally who wanted it

genuine question

[eternal palm]

Ping hoi4 devs see what happens

[prisma zealot]

i'm getting obliterated out of this earth

[eternal palm]

Ragebait failed, disengage

[analog ivy]

obviously intentional

[prisma zealot]

not enough to make me retire from the mossad

[sonic sand]

buh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1195828404897984593/1430007648194920498/attachment.gif

[eternal palm]

https://tenor.com/view/giant-fatass-bnuuy-bunny-bnuuy-rabbit-rabbit-whatever-gif-15720990188084548831

[sonic sand]

the only nation to do this

[analog ivy]

it show's hirohito because he was an important figure in history but the president is actually keisuke okada at the time. they were BOTH in power at the same time as emperor and president.

[sonic sand]

in the game

[prisma zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-tf2-fact-run-location-gif-22734071

[sonic sand]

and the king of england was also a powerful figure that was still somewhat in charge durring ww2

[analog ivy]

well he was in the national spirits

im pretty sure hirohito is too

[heady bison]

With the new doctrine tree, what do you do with your extra exp points now?

[analog ivy]

it only shows that in the country selection menu

[sonic sand]

well he should be featured in the card art

[prisma zealot]

make new divisions templates

[heady bison]

what about air exp

[analog ivy]

ig devs are just trying to showcase the new features of their new dlc?

idk

[prisma zealot]

like being proud of the absolute flex of having a full garrison army of 25 cavalry batallions

[analog ivy]

its intentional somehow cause i don't get how they wouldn't see that if it was a glitch

[sonic sand]

sigh i hate saint Germain en layes

[analog ivy]

its literally the first thing you see when playing the dlc

[prisma zealot]

change the doctrine for what type of strategy you'll be focused on for late game

[sonic sand]

wouldn't they change the picture art to show the new stuff?

[prisma zealot]

also guys, is it possible to nuke stuff with missiles if you dont have götterdammerung ?

[heady bison]

If you hold your mouse over hirohito, it tells you

[analog ivy]

idk lol

[sonic sand]

i know what happens

[heady bison]

does mastery reset if you change it back?

[prisma zealot]

yes

[paper echo]

partisans

[analog ivy]

yea i saw that too

in like east india

[eternal palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1195572031522095115/1405096003287257138/togif-53.gif

[analog ivy]

i thought i had a mod accidently enabled at first but then i realized that i had no mods on and its the dlc

[fresh jacinth]

adding coal was a smart idea but needed to be done differently

and if they are gonna add coal they might as well add energy, would make the power plants more useful

[paper echo]

coal is the worst thing they ever added for me

[viscid stirrup]

adding coal was the best thing they ever did, because i want to see people suffer

[sudden thistle]

brooooo

[fresh jacinth]

i creates an incentive to expand and industry, but it NEEDS to be fixed

[vapid oasis]

Is it me or do the absurd amount of bad reviews for the new dlc make you laugh?

[prisma zealot]

skull reacted, saw tag, unskull reacted

[viscid stirrup]

is ts the great northern war?

[vapid oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[prisma zealot]

welcome among us comrade

[sudden thistle]

no its ww3

trust

[mental mantle]

Why is Artillery sucks?

[viscid stirrup]

aint no way they use cav in ww3

[viscid stirrup]

its good in moderation

[mental mantle]

In ww4

[fresh jacinth]

among us?

[viscid stirrup]

put 1 support arty

[sudden thistle]

proof

[fresh jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/yellow-amogus-singing-gif-5049958546468496340

[prisma zealot]

line artillery is awful i'm not even sure it's good with the good maxed doctrine

[sudden thistle]

1701 is basically ww3

tomato tomato

[viscid stirrup]

"i dont know what world war 3 will be fought with, but i know world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones"- albert einstein

[mental mantle]

Ball

[viscid stirrup]

i knew its the great northern war

[fresh jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-green-patrick-regular-patrick-green-patrick-gif-1320193935260110183

[prisma zealot]

?

[viscid stirrup]

yes

[prisma zealot]

ohhh nice, how do you proceed ?

[fresh jacinth]

yes but the way you do it is totally different

[prisma zealot]

oh okay

[fresh jacinth]

with gotterdammenburg it actually makes sense

[prisma zealot]

basically is gotterdammerung worth it ? because even on sales shi be expensive af

[fresh jacinth]

tbh yes but mainly cuz i almost exclusively play as germany unless im using mods

if ur not a ghermany fan, it might not be worth it

[prisma zealot]

ehhhh depends

i lack of strategies

but excluding this i'm not that bad

like last game i did was historical usa, i ended up nuking moscow twice after going on a full scale war NATO-Comintern

and we smashed them

[heavy vigil]

just make long focuses?

its easy

if out of ideas, make focus longer

[prisma zealot]

guys

we dont talk enough about one thing

[fresh jacinth]

nice

[prisma zealot]

which is hoi4 devs having the fantastic idea for the iran focus tree

which is to make one random civilian factory with a 70 days focus

💯

[fresh jacinth]

hoi4 devs:

[prisma zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/hittite-jumpscare-hittite-jumpscare-gif-25074640

[eternal palm]

Thats not unique to GoE. The polish focus tree has it too

[prisma zealot]

yeah but it's like awful

[eternal palm]

It sure is

Hey but this kind of complaining leads to the insane stat bloat we have right now

Its silly

[heavy vigil]

i know who it was...

[eternal palm]

Who :shotgun:

[viscid stirrup]

this is actually so peak for tanna tuva

[river gull]

musolini guaranteed yugoslavia but the allies never guaranteed them sooo uhh italy is now gone

[grand wolf]

Good Italy is a sad place

[river gull]

this is with historical AI btw kek

[pulsar bloom]

What are all possible leaders for Sinkiang?

[pliant flare]

how does Lichtenstein get so much manpower

[autumn pebble]

What if instead of coal we had gold

[tulip thorn]

The swiss would be broken

[autumn pebble]

Just another reason to play

[ripe slate]

That conscription idea is giving a decent amount

[ripe slate]

Based pronouns

[autumn pebble]

Yes saar

🫡

[tulip thorn]

We love the kingdom of bohemia

[pliant flare]

but they have over 100k manpower total

how can just an idea give them that

[tulip thorn]

Sounds about right

[autumn pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/mapping-czechia-big-empire-mappingceskoez-gif-24525660

[ripe slate]

Oh I overlooked the manpower in the field

[pliant flare]

ye lol

71k

16k air

[ripe slate]

Hope youll like the Czechoslovakia DLC

[autumn pebble]

I will

[sudden thistle]

sweden won the great northern war and that lead to a russian civil war

and somehow a turkish civil war

[autumn pebble]

Peace in our time is going to be peak

I hope they expand it to more of eastern europe

[tulip thorn]

I bet its going to be amazing, but alot of people sadly arent going to play it

[autumn pebble]

Especially things like the baltics and poland

Or romania

[knotty loom]

https://tenor.com/view/czechia-czech-republic-t-g-masaryk-masaryk-tomáš-garrigue-masaryk-gif-5013680132345521418

[autumn pebble]

We still need a balkan rework too

[tulip thorn]

Its only Czechoslovakia

[eternal palm]

Poland and Baltics already have banger trees though

[autumn pebble]

R we sure

[tulip thorn]

And poland and the baltics already had a dlc

[eternal palm]

Only czechia hungary and yugo are missing

[grand wolf]

What

[autumn pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

[grand wolf]

Why

[eternal palm]

What sucks about their trees?

All of them are good

[craggy trail]

[tulip thorn]

Hungary got a rework

[ripe slate]

I actually think Poland is kinda mid after one playthrough because like Switzerland it does very little other than give land

[autumn pebble]

Hungary has a goated focus tree

Wdym

[eternal palm]

Sorry, Romania

[trail rapids]

Hungary?

[eternal palm]

Dudes

[craggy trail]

Thunder at the Gates is what I'm looking forward to next year

[tulip thorn]

I would love a romania rework

[eternal palm]

I fking mispoke

[tulip thorn]

Im a romania main in mp lmao

[eternal palm]

ouch

[trail rapids]

All good just saw ur second message

[eternal palm]

But honorable

[ripe slate]

😔 💔

[sudden thistle]

poland is just get and core that land but different colors

[craggy trail]

Australia

[tulip thorn]

Mass mob holding the line go brrrrr

But no more mass mob

[sudden thistle]

for most of its alt hist

[tulip thorn]

RIP

[eternal palm]

Not anymore 😭

[craggy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/emu-jump-freakout-gif-5329771

[tulip thorn]

RIP to mass mob

[tulip thorn]

thunder at the gates better have a secret path for australia that is the emu empire

[eternal palm]

eh well recov rate is kinda insane with sfp

[tulip thorn]

So peak

[autumn pebble]

All i ever see is lithuania declaring war on poland and only being left with the coastal states(in the baltics, otherwise they get absorbed by russia)

[eternal palm]

yea thats what AI does

Does that mean that their trees are shit?

[tulip thorn]

Well yeah the ai baltics aint going to use that focus tree to much

[autumn pebble]

Yes

[eternal palm]

By that logic austrias focus tree is shit

[tulip thorn]

Lithuania is so fun

[eternal palm]

When it really isnt

Lithuania is lowkey one of the strongest minors in the game

[autumn pebble]

Hungary

[tulip thorn]

Ostland as latvia is kinda funny

[eternal palm]

They get so insanely strong

[grand wolf]

Nah Bhutan is

[autumn pebble]

Hungarian hussars

[grand wolf]

Bhutan better

[autumn pebble]

No focus tree get out my face 😂

[tulip thorn]

Its so funny how the historical austria tree is reforming germany as austria

[grand wolf]

Its still better its op

[eternal palm]

Greater Austria achieved

[grizzled yarrow]

Yall

How do i learn navy

[autumn pebble]

New meta

[sudden thistle]

they ded

[grand wolf]

Wth

[grizzled yarrow]

Isnt old meta just air craft carriers with naval bombers

[autumn pebble]

Isk

Idk

[grand wolf]

Nah battleships

[sudden thistle]

thats the current one still im pretty sure

[grizzled yarrow]

I lowk dont rlly wanna learn navy but air superiority just dosent work for me

[grand wolf]

Its not hard

[grizzled yarrow]

The allies js spam 4000000000 fighthers

[autumn pebble]

My friend said to use patrol cruisers with detection and have a main navy with heavy ships and battleships(atleast for sealion)

[grand wolf]

Easier than the last navy

[grizzled yarrow]

Fr?

[grand wolf]

Yeah cuz you dont need no 50% bs

[autumn pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-its-so-peak-praying-hands-praying-black-guy-gif-9969548697603007069

[grizzled yarrow]

Hmmmm so whats the new meta again

[autumn pebble]

This is what my friend told me @grizzled yarrow but idk ask someone with a naval expert role

[grand wolf]

Cheap destroyers battleships and aircraft carrier

[grizzled yarrow]

So basically spam a bunch of ships?

[grand wolf]

Yes anything that kills the royal navy works

[grizzled yarrow]

Hmmm

[autumn pebble]

What about chipping away at them

[grizzled yarrow]

What do i prioritize light or hard attack

[grand wolf]

I did that with the starting Japanese navy

[autumn pebble]

Detection light cruisers on patrol with never engage

[grand wolf]

I use battleships with 3 heavy guns then the rest second battery or dual purpose

[autumn pebble]

And a main group with destroyers and battleships, heavy ships to strike force

[grizzled yarrow]

Are subs necessary or i can neglect them

[eternal palm]

Reduce that to 2 heavy guns and add more aa and you got a good ship

Make shbb too

its good

[grand wolf]

Shbb?

Ohhhh

[eternal palm]

Then just light cruisers with light attack

[grand wolf]

I love superheavy battleships

I had 3 in my Japanese navy and I lost like 2 ships total fighting the royal navy

[grizzled yarrow]

My germany run was going great till the allies naval invaded me twice

[heavy vigil]

guh

how do you lose those

[grand wolf]

Just have infantry on the french and benlux coast

[grizzled yarrow]

I dint have enough divisions to defend

[tame marlin]

Bro didnt garrison ports 🥀

[grizzled yarrow]

Lowk i never do that

Sometimes i just let em naval invade so they keep reinforcing and i keep butchering theyr troops

It backfired this time

[heavy vigil]

huh

i was talking about the battleships

[grizzled yarrow]

Ohhhhhh

[heavy vigil]

subs suck

[grizzled yarrow]

Alr

[grand wolf]

They really do

Unless i have them in my main fleet

[grizzled yarrow]

And will my navy still do great with 1936 designs 🥹🤞

[viscid swift]

guys do yall like road to 56?

[grand wolf]

Eh its an okay mod

[grizzled yarrow]

I play nothing but vanilla

[viscid swift]

nice

do u have anti-anshluss?

[grizzled yarrow]

Uhhhh

No

[grand wolf]

Is that an achievement

[viscid swift]

yeah

[grand wolf]

How do you get ot

[viscid swift]

then i challenge you to get it

[viscid swift]

by taking all the german core provinces

[grizzled yarrow]

First lemme figure out navy

[grand wolf]

Ahhhhhhhh

[viscid swift]

i moderately understand navy somehow

its not that hard tbf

just click stuff until you make it

[grand wolf]

Its easier than before

The first 3 are the ones that affect dominance

[viscid swift]

i typically put all the ships to one commander and pray stuff works

[grizzled yarrow]

Also what navy doctrine do i use

[heavy vigil]

not with starting designs

starting tech is fine tho

[viscid swift]

the ones which have the best things so just pick whatever ur making the most

[grizzled yarrow]

Eh if the 1936 design is fine il just keep refitting em with better tech

[viscid swift]

and pray ofc

[grizzled yarrow]

Fricking battle ships

[viscid swift]

make a superheavy battleship

[grizzled yarrow]

Bismarck

[heavy vigil]

no its not

your tech is fine

your designs are not

[viscid swift]

fleet in being would be the go-to doctrine i think then

[grizzled yarrow]

Mb i meant like if the hull the 1936 hull is fine

[heavy vigil]

dont upgrade the gun

[grizzled yarrow]

Why not

[heavy vigil]

itll cost a million steel

until you get autoloader that one's fine

[grizzled yarrow]

So i upgrade after getting auto loader?

[viscid swift]

steel isnt a problem in most nations

what's he playing

[grizzled yarrow]

Germany

[viscid swift]

yeah thats not a lil amount

[grizzled yarrow]

I dont burn through alot of steel since my inf designs are simple

[heavy vigil]

ok so

after the initial gun the mediums are just better

which will add

+1 steel per medium gun

thats going from 3 steel per dockyard, to 8 per dockyard

genuinely no one has that much steel available besides maybe the ussr

and thats a maybe

[grizzled yarrow]

Is that a

[heavy vigil]

Light cruiser

[grizzled yarrow]

Oh

I see

[viscid swift]

oh thats a lot

[heavy vigil]

yes

so it is in fact an issue

[viscid swift]

wait can u design tanks similarly like ships or do u need a DLC

[dusky burrow]

you do, but that dlc is integrated now for free

[grizzled yarrow]

Lowk is inviting italy in the axis even worth it

[dusky burrow]

so no worry there

[viscid swift]

oh thats a W

[heavy vigil]

tanks arent integrated

ships are

[dusky burrow]

btw the new doctrines, if you really like destroyers, gives like a 40% buff to destroyer light attack i believe

[trail marten]

so is the field marshal planning tech thing patched now? The thing where you were able to have divisions assigned to a garrison order with the general but gained planning from the unassigned field marshal offensive plan

[dusky burrow]

Yeah

[heavy vigil]

torp better

you can get like 10 light attack or 200 torp

[trail marten]

rip, I guess GBP is dead to me

[heavy vigil]

why

its like the best doctrine

for attacking

[trail marten]

I liked the planning bonus while also being able to micro freely

[heavy vigil]

sfp is best at defending

[heavy vigil]

you can

click on cohesion settings

it gives you an option for units not to move now

does lower planning speed by 50% but thats a nothingburger

[dusky burrow]

Oh true

[heavy vigil]

if you care deeply about max planning you reset the battle an hour before day tick

[trail marten]

this works both with generals and field marshals?

[heavy vigil]

generals iirc

idk for fms

[grizzled yarrow]

Question
Did yall ever play a democratic path

[heavy vigil]

yeah

[grizzled yarrow]

Was it fun

[trail marten]

only for achievements

[heavy vigil]

democratic iran wasnt that bad

i swapped back to non aligned

uk is okay ig

france is good

baltics are fire democratically

[grizzled yarrow]

How come

[heavy vigil]

usa is playable as a democracy allegwdly

[heavy vigil]

OP buffs

[craggy trail]

US Unholy Alliance with Soviet Union

[heavy vigil]

very strong eco and recruitable pop

[grizzled yarrow]

Usa should have the strongest democracy path

[heavy vigil]

democratic italy can justify

never done it

[heavy vigil]

yeah but i really hate playing the US

so idk

[valid prairie]

is it viable to play as mengkukuo and make the new mongol empire?

[grizzled yarrow]

Same

[heavy vigil]

other people find it fun tho

[heavy vigil]

you should try baltic democratic

very fun

ive done the communist china democratic path a few times before the dlc

[grizzled yarrow]

Hmmm

[fierce mortar]

i think they should balance the new doctorine xp gaine better. i literally have naval and air dominance as britan, yet the doctorines barely gained any progress

[heavy vigil]

train your stuff

exercise

pur your fleets on patrol

itll give mastery

[fierce mortar]

you are wrong. navy excercise doesn't give xp to doctorines

[heavy vigil]

patrolling does

i tested

[grizzled yarrow]

my previous germany run

[heavy vigil]

as ukraine no less

[fierce mortar]

i'm literally having all the navy doing something. i killed the whole german and italian navy. how is that not enough?

that's all the xp it gave me

[heavy vigil]

do it pre war

grinding mastery is definitely more of a "skill" now

[fierce mortar]

i'm excercising the navy pre war to get naval xp

[heavy vigil]

you dojt need that much

only like 600

[slim nexus]

my ass cant even reach minsk in regular

[fierce mortar]

i'm not talking about naval experience. i'm talking about the doctorines

[grizzled yarrow]

i had quite the army

[heavy vigil]

yes

you exercise for some xp

then you patrol for mastery

you dont need to exercise for like 3 years

[somber forge]

Is 100 heavy attack in Battleship is good or nah

[fierce mortar]

as i said. i killed 700 ships so far. all i'm saying that this is not balanced. you are not helping xd

[grizzled yarrow]

yo

should i just

delete my entire starting navy

[fierce mortar]

depends. refitting is more economical usually

[heavy vigil]

oh yeah the balance is bad anyway

im just twlling you how to get it not how the game should work

[grizzled yarrow]

i mean most are just early cruisers and destroyers

[fierce mortar]

those are your strongest assets

[slim nexus]

i start a game and i do all things great and i cant push into ussr, and get demolished

[neat kayak]

Byzantium greece kx

Austiran faction or Reichpakt

[fierce mortar]

to be honest i wish we could delete navy. every scutteld ship should give some "steel", like you get points in the balck market trading, and it should provide naval dockyard output. This way we could modernise the navy

[wicked fiber]

who wants to play with me kaissereich

[grizzled yarrow]

uhhhhhhhhhh good enough?

[slim nexus]

i dont know navy so maybe its good

[heavy vigil]

you can delete them

youll get manpower back

[craggy trail]

Extra secondary battery perhaps

And that should be good. I would upgrade the fire control system too

[grizzled yarrow]

alr

2 years to make 1 battle ship

im crine

[fierce mortar]

i mean it's not worth it. game is too short to build a good navy until the start of the war. better to keep existing ships

even as a major

[fallen vigil]

guys does anyone know what support company this is and how do i ge tit?

[violet veldt]

Pioneers

Marine doctrines

[fierce mortar]

pioneers. you unlock it in the first mariine upgrade

[violet veldt]

Gives you aquatic terrain buffs

Engineer company (methinks)

[fierce mortar]

not much different from the normal engineering company. it's more water focused

[craggy trail]

They give good terrain bonuses for marshes, forts, & rivers

You can specialize pioneers for Jungle Warfare or amphibious assaults

[candid pecan]

is tno meant to look like this

[craggy trail]

Yes

[candid pecan]

why does it look like that

ok my game just crashed

[craggy trail]

They drained the mediterranean

[fierce mortar]

well okay. if you do get to upgrade the whole special forces tree, they do look powerfull compared to normal engineering company. also costs like 350 xp

maybe i should give it a try

[candid pecan]

lol it looks so ugly

[fierce mortar]

ugliest boot xd

it migh solve the bad italian factory problems. more land = more economy

[split fulcrum]

@tepid nova im losing hard

im getting slaughtered

[candid pecan]

whats happening here

[fierce mortar]

it's possible to lose in this game?

[candid pecan]

yes

it is

[fierce mortar]

panic

[split fulcrum]

ooo theyre finna trap me in belgium

[candid pecan]

whats a good mod i can try out that isnt ww1 based

[split fulcrum]

reverse dunkirk

[craggy trail]

Something close to earth or a total overhaul?

[candid pecan]

what are they both based on

[craggy trail]

Total overhaul usually changes map

Old World Blues & Equestria at War are big examples of those genre of mods

If you want something a big close to earth, but not ww1 specific, I guess you could go for a cold war mod or some alt historical mod different to Kaiserreich

[split fulcrum]

bahaha

ww2 ending early it seems

1941

[candid pecan]

which one is it

[craggy trail]

I wouldn't know. That is up to preference

[dull zinc]

Question, is it common for the German ai to complete a sea lion?

[craggy trail]

Alt-history / most subscribed

[warped flint]

Romania in the axis 1939???

Never seen this before

[remote quarry]

pioneer

[craggy trail]

Not usually, but it is possible sometimes

[remote quarry]

although there's no reason why you would use it on this division

it's unlocked from marine doctrine

[inner iron]

I got so confused on how Japan was producing 1.4k oil in Asia

I hover over this place

[heavy vigil]

theres been a singular scenario where it was useful for me to delete ships

can confirm its basically useless

[split fulcrum]

this what i call a last ditch effort

[inner iron]

north sakkalin in the oil well of the world I guess

[split fulcrum]

@heavy vigil i beg you, please help

[craggy trail]

I had a midget submarine design with 70 km of range

[split fulcrum]

1941

i am losing

[heavy vigil]

what are we doing here

[split fulcrum]

losing to france

[heavy vigil]

do you need me to show you a germany playthrough when im home in like 1.5 hours

up until france cap

[heavy vigil]

its the way in which youve avoided the 2 cities that easily cap belgium that amazes me

with what looks to be understrenght starting template divs

[tepid nova]

It’s doable

[split fulcrum]

nope

not starting emplate

template

[heavy vigil]

and no units on the maginot

[split fulcrum]

technically

[heavy vigil]

thats art

[split fulcrum]

i changed something

[split fulcrum]

yea

italy guardingthat

im good

unless they capitulate

which isnt hard to imagine

[heavy vigil]

never have i seen someone trust the italian ai in this game

[split fulcrum]

theyre doing good

so far

[heavy vigil]

@dusky burrow this is a world first

[sudden thistle]

Wdym they are doing good

[split fulcrum]

for me atleast

theyre getting destroyed

demolished

[sudden thistle]

I couldn’t tell

[heavy vigil]

can we print this

one minute let me crop

i need this on my wall

[tired jackal]

how does one have underequiped

divisions

in 1941

as germany

[split fulcrum]

its called

i bought the game 2 days ago

[tired jackal]

🥀

[heavy vigil]

ill show you a playthrough when im back

id prefer to play like japan

peak nation

very fun

[tired jackal]

bro

he got the game 2 days ago

i doubt bro even knows how to merge his navy

[heavy vigil]

but i guess ill help you with germany

[split fulcrum]

yea i dont

[heavy vigil]

japan doesnt need navy its fine

[tired jackal]

ur recommending him one of the hardest nations to play rn

espically as a starter

[heavy vigil]

just get some navs

[tired jackal]

bro

[heavy vigil]

its fun

[sudden thistle]

Japan isn’t hard

[tired jackal]

he DOESN't even have dlcs

[sudden thistle]

Wdym

[heavy vigil]

okay then its easier

[split fulcrum]

i dont

[heavy vigil]

less to research, no collabs

[karmic linden]

I did 230k casualties to Poland and only took 7k losses

[split fulcrum]

HOW

[karmic linden]

Not bad for my second game as Germany

[tired jackal]

i usually just take coastline then puppet inner china

and take all factories

[split fulcrum]

what did i even do wrong as germany when invading poland

besides

[tired jackal]

i can do better

[split fulcrum]

no molotov ribbentrop pact

[tired jackal]

i took 3.3k

with heavy spgs

[karmic linden]

Good for you I’ll guess you didn’t download the game last week

[karmic linden]

I also don’t do that

[tired jackal]

no i downloaded in four days ag

🥱

nah im playing

i got it three years ago only relaly started playing about four months ago

[karmic linden]

Joined here in 2024

[tired jackal]

with multiplayer

[karmic linden]

I am still only playing sp

[tired jackal]

my first germany game i died to czechslovkia

because i justifed on them

[karmic linden]

In mine I ended with a ww1 situation in the west

I couldn’t take Belgium 😂

[tired jackal]

that was my third germany game 😭

second one i stalled out in poland

then i just learned u can edit templates

so i made a beefy 30 width light tank division

put 30 mils on it

[karmic linden]

But I my first game I played as Peru so I got to know how stuff worked first

[tired jackal]

no dlc, no focus tree 🥀

[karmic linden]

Ah my first time took me 6 months to win

[gleaming acorn]

hm

[karmic linden]

Yes so when I started Germany I was so overwhelmed

[tired jackal]

my first game ever bro

on germany

then four days later i capiluated soviet union

[sonic sand]

mod idea. Game starts at the signing of the treaty of versailles. with content bridging to the start of ww2 which would then just have the regular focus trees start

[tired jackal]

and started a man on the high castle

but then my pc kept crashing at 1948]

[gleaming acorn]

germany is deadass the easiest nation to start as a a beginner

[tired jackal]

well

laptop

[gleaming acorn]

it has everything

[tired jackal]

no as a start start

1 minute into the game

[karmic linden]

Bro you don’t know what anything does when you start

[tired jackal]

like all u know is clicking does osmething

[karmic linden]

It’s hard

[remote quarry]

the game tell you to play italy

which is literally the worst option

[karmic linden]

Italy felt like too much of a naval power to me

I didn’t want to even think about navy

[gleaming acorn]

i mean yeah but no nation is easy from the start start

everything is confusing

[karmic linden]

That’s why I picked Peru

Least confusing for just trying stuff out

[gleaming acorn]

hm

got a point i guess

[tulip thorn]

Italy starting navy is big, but is terrible compared to the uk, usa and japan