hoi4-general

[still loom]

Best thing about annexing Indian/Chinese lands: Manpower

[dusky burrow]

continuous insurgency moment

[heavy vigil]

its very very far down

you dont have the time

[dusky burrow]

true

[dusky burrow]

also true, especially if Japan is capitulating China in 37-38

[still loom]

I'm gonna continue my conquest now. For a little

[heavy vigil]

let me think

[still loom]

It's 1952 and soon my ships will be ready

I refitted almost every Italian ship I had (I don't have dlc but somehow after the peace deal, they were my puppet? Bruh.so I annexed them and got their ship) and I noticed something. Engine and Armour refitting costs WAY TOO HIGH. Exceeding the production cost

One super heavy armour makes the refit cost go from 13k to 26-30k?

[pearl jackal]

what free update did they add to the game (i cant afford an 80 dollar dlc)

[still loom]

Holy

[dusky burrow]

which nation are you, the ussr?

[unique jackal]

why does the new dlc make philippines have a hispanic focus tree but they arent hispanic

[still loom]

Turkey

[dusky burrow]

i see

[pearl jackal]

what should i play

[unique jackal]

rt56

[lavish stratus]

yipe

[still loom]

Well, Turkish Socialist Republic

[dusky burrow]

i mean they were colonized by spain

[still loom]

[pearl jackal]

i wanna see the new update

[unique jackal]

do u have dlc?

[dusky burrow]

and as a result had a lot of spanish cultural influence, especially among intellectuals

[still loom]

Sorry

Ottoman Socialist Republic

[dusky burrow]

this decreased because of us colononization

[heavy vigil]

770 days minimim for sinkiang to make it down there

minimum*

[dusky burrow]

i see

[heavy vigil]

no other warlord can even get close to that time i dont think

[heavy vigil]

so possible maybe?

[dusky burrow]

longer than the average lifespan of chiang kai-shek i guess

[heavy vigil]

itd still be 10% less target btw

because thats a mastery effect

[pearl jackal]

is that francais

[heavy vigil]

but whatever

[dusky burrow]

yeah i see

[heavy vigil]

still

[dusky burrow]

spanish

[heavy vigil]

+75% target is disgusting

evwn if only on a few states

[empty sparrow]

almost all of communist Europe

[pearl jackal]

yea i figured after looking at spain

[dusky burrow]

fair

[heavy vigil]

ehhh?

early 38 ish

[night lintel]

how good is line artillery in the update now

[heavy vigil]

japan also has to apend time swapping government getting collabs

[dusky burrow]

i see

[heavy vigil]

its not that far off

[empty sparrow]

Does anyone speak Spanish here?

[inland lake]

Si.

[empty sparrow]

ah

[brittle cypress]

Je ne parle pas espagnol

[hardy badger]

so somehow the game unpaused itself overnight and ruined my game.

[brittle cypress]

Google taking a save and alt f4ing

[empty sparrow]

I just realized that the capital of Germany is Paris lol

[hardy badger]

saving isnt an option in ironman.

[brittle cypress]

Ok then just quit lol

[dusky burrow]

Nadie habla español? Que particular...

[brittle cypress]

It saves when you leave

[still loom]

Forgot I had a raid assigned last night ahaha

[brittle cypress]

Or has an auto save if you alt f4

[dusky burrow]

okay crashing the game via task manager right now

[still loom]

Wish I had the dlc. I could england with thermo bombs

[jade nebula]

Is there a way to trigger Japans surrender?

I've been sitting idle as China for like 5 years now

[grand wolf]

Nuke them

[dusky burrow]

do a paradrop or construct carrier bathtubs or something (yes carrier bathtubs still work, they work even better now)

[empty sparrow]

Everything was divided in my game

[lavish stratus]

500 bathtubs

[signal oracle]

What.

[dusky burrow]

500 bathtubs indeed

[jade nebula]

what kind of navy meta is carrier bathtubs

[dusky burrow]

used to be for supremacy spamming

still useful for supremacy spamming

[buoyant lodge]

once u conquer the world with ur faction

is it time to exile members from the faction and kill one of them at a time?

[lavish stratus]

I got a white peace event when I kicked them off the mainland

[dusky burrow]

This design uses space efficient design, which adds 10 to deck size and increase the range, which is very good for this

[pearl jackal]

im going into the new update blind i hope nothing bad happens

[dusky burrow]

Oh wow these are even better for supremacy than the carrier

Okay this is going to be funny, repair ship only gaming

[lavish stratus]

are carrier subs a special project

[dusky burrow]

Yes

[drifting kiln]

I just realized i have been playing on elite difficult for idk how long 😭 no wonder why its harder than usual

[languid patrol]

wasnt he supposed to get a new portiat and why is he the portrait for japan

[opal nymph]

Random question, how many carriers have you used in a task force

[dusky burrow]

i mean hirohito did get a new portrait, you're seeing it here

[dusky burrow]

probably in the high teens

i just put every carrier in there

[opal nymph]

What about the XP gain

Because in the past, my 5th carrier was always useless when it came to XP gain

[dusky burrow]

oh never tested that out

[opal nymph]

In my game, my 5th carrier got max XP

Along with my other 4

Also rate this design

Protecting this

Screened by this

Submarines didn't pose much issues in my game aside from the regions I wasn't patroling

[dusky burrow]

Why are they all on different mios

[opal nymph]

Honestly, IDK why i didn't use Newport News for the heavy cruiser

The escort one gave more sub detection bonuses

[sudden thistle]

Oh god

I’m doing Japan

Making a fleet with all starting destroyers, 12:20 support:repair ships

And 9 carriers

And the super heavy battleship from the focus

Ez win?

[opal nymph]

Can someone explain what those support and repair ships do?

[sudden thistle]

Repair like trys to make them not sink

Support is like fuel?

Ur welcome for the very in depth explanation

[opal nymph]

Yes

[lavish stratus]

Celestial Emperor 🔥

[mild plaza]

So just screens to absorb damage?

[opal nymph]

movie reference

[sudden thistle]

Actually

That may be it

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[noble shale]

What year can you complete japan military focus tree?

[sudden thistle]

Wdym

How long will it take for the entire tree?

[noble shale]

Yes and no

Only the military branch

[sudden thistle]

Do the math

[noble shale]

Okie

[foggy pelican]

hi guys

[languid patrol]

oh i thought it was the old one

[ripe slate]

Welcome

[dusky burrow]

I misread 😭

[abstract canopy]

how am I supposed to play this game if my naval invasion capacity is capped to 4 😭

curse you update

[opal nymph]

Well, it is all set to the same number of days required

So you just make 4 naval invasions

Just assign like 10 divisions to each one

1 division takes 35 days, 10 divisions take 35 days

So cap the number of divisions that can naval invade

[abstract canopy]

I wish

im going crazy

[opal nymph]

That is different

[abstract canopy]

how do I invade the UK with 4 divisions....

[opal nymph]

What country are you palying

*playing

[abstract canopy]

germany

[opal nymph]

Why is it only that?

[abstract canopy]

I wish I knew

[opal nymph]

Let me check what's going on

[dusky burrow]

They haven't unlocked transports yet

This is normal

[opal nymph]

Wait

[dusky burrow]

And also stupid

[opal nymph]

Germany doesn't have transports unlocked day 1?

[cedar latch]

Someone explain this new update to me

[opal nymph]

LMAO, it is to simulate them planning to use barges to transport troops

[dusky burrow]

Pretty much

[opal nymph]

Welcome back Emperor of off-topic

[cedar latch]

Please say I don’t need to relearn the entire naval system

[opal nymph]

Nah

[dusky burrow]

I didn't even need to unlock it when I invaded Japan tbf

[opal nymph]

Just patrol and win

[cedar latch]

Is patrolling the new meta now or something

[opal nymph]

You need to patrol or you don't build supremacy

[crystal marsh]

fractured map update for 1.17

any errors?

[opal nymph]

Strike force is just a multiplier

[crystal marsh]

nations with starting cores only

[cedar latch]

takes notes

[dusky burrow]

I literally just took Kagoshima and wiped out the entire Japanese army there with 6 mountaineers

[abstract canopy]

one issue

[opal nymph]

Excuse me what

As the US, I had the 1940 naval invasion tech and the marine doctrine and I was able to send 72 divisions on 6 naval invasions

[cedar latch]

Also did they make invading japan a pain like how the UK was affected with the German dlc

[ripe slate]

Dont the conferates have cores in vanilla for some reason?

[opal nymph]

Surprisingly easy, barely an inconvenience

[cedar latch]

Even easier than before?

[dusky burrow]

Huuuuh

[crystal marsh]

thought so too for some reason, but apparently not

[abstract canopy]

I think my game is just cursed because for some reason soviet china took a chunk of norway in 1937 too

[dusky burrow]

Unpausing the game helped me but idk

[dusky burrow]

why was norway at war rip

[opal nymph]

IDK, I trapped all the Japanese troops by capping Reorganized Government of China and then invaded the home islands that had like 10 divisions max on it

[abstract canopy]

I dont know anymore :(

[cedar latch]

Does that mean I can invade Japan as Mongolia now

[abstract canopy]

they werent!!!! my entire game is cursed

[ripe slate]

I strongly assume youre using a slightly outdated version of Road to 56, we hotfixed this yesterday

[abstract canopy]

Anschluss didnt give me austria either, I had to annex it

[ripe slate]

Yeh that got fixed yesterday in Road to 56

[cedar latch]

I gotta update road to 56 at some point

[ripe slate]

Id let you on the team if you can code

[crystal marsh]

one of the features i hate with a passion in hoi is contested ownership

[opal nymph]

Facts

[abstract canopy]

any way I can check the version I currently have?

[ripe slate]

Oh shit I didnt check our recruitment form in weeks

[crystal marsh]

its literally just occupying a territory but with an exclamation mark on the state tab

[cedar latch]

I have become more of an old worlds blue person myself recently

[ripe slate]

If the anschluss event glitches in the Germany tree, youre on an outdated version, if not you're good

[crystal marsh]

one way paradox could make it useful is by automatically having a country annex their contested states in a peace deal

otherwise you end up with a reichskommissariat ukraine in just kyiv

[opal nymph]

hmmm

[abstract canopy]

time to update ig!!!

[crystal marsh]

which just makes my eyes bleed

[cedar latch]

Wait I heard that coal was added or something

[ripe slate]

Yup

[cedar latch]

How does fuel work now

[abstract canopy]

coal!!!

[crystal marsh]

yeah, you now need to power your factories apparently

its really unbalanced in late game though

[cedar kite]

They limited naval invasion to 2 now

[cedar latch]

You have gotta be kidding me

[pearl jackal]

what path should i do as japan

[opal nymph]

I do not believe this

[crystal marsh]

i was playing japan, and as of 1949 i was at negative 1k coal units

while controlling the entirety of china, the ussr and usa

[cedar kite]

Instead of doing 10 1 div invasions now you can't

[crystal marsh]

i had the factories but not the coal

😔

[cedar latch]

How unbalanced…oh god america is gonna crash games or something

[opal nymph]

You can launch 2 invasions of 6

technically a buff

[crystal marsh]

but hey the unit cap has been raised

[opal nymph]

Because it used to be 10 divs max

[crystal marsh]

you can now launch 48 divs with the starting naval invasion tech

[cedar kite]

Well starting texh

[opal nymph]

This is starting tech

[crystal marsh]

in 4 12-div invasions

oh

[cedar latch]

…

[opal nymph]

That is 12 division landings

[crystal marsh]

wait nvm

[sudden thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/giant-fatass-bnuuy-bunny-bnuuy-rabbit-rabbit-whatever-gif-15720990188084548831

[dusky burrow]

user error, didn't have britain

[cedar kite]

Eh I preferred having 10 tile naval invasions

[opal nymph]

Also there is no point in small naval invasions anymore. The days it takes is static

[cedar latch]

So much for cutting naval invading time

[opal nymph]

You still can?

[dusky burrow]

but yeah it's rough out there

[dusky burrow]

how so

[crystal marsh]

as much as i hate to admit it, paradox had to fix that naval invasion preparation time

[sudden thistle]

Is it just me or is coal for Japan just not needed

[opal nymph]

Just do 2 of six

[cedar latch]

So how much does this new dlc cost again

[opal nymph]

and you get 12 tiles

[sudden thistle]

It’s 1941 and my energy has never ever been below 100%

[crystal marsh]

wait till you fully occupy a major

[cedar latch]

I can’t naval invade in 0.1 seconds anymore? Outrageous

[opal nymph]

too much

[fervent harness]

i am calling it gg here, us navy is gone, took most islands and ussr about to collapse soon

[crystal marsh]

and then reread your message

[crystal marsh]

ikr

🥀

[sudden thistle]

I own all of China and Siam

[cedar latch]

I don’t wanna check

[crystal marsh]

invade usa bro

[cedar latch]

So what has the update added for the base game

Not including DLC stuff

[opal nymph]

Doctrines, historical Japan, navy

[fervent harness]

nah bro that gonna take decades

[opal nymph]

Pretty sure at least

[dusky burrow]

well at least capitulate the ussr first

[opal nymph]

And factions

[cedar latch]

Noted

[crystal marsh]

i took out usa in 7-8 months after taking hawaii

[fervent harness]

yk what fair

[opal nymph]

Does anyone know how to compare factions

[fervent harness]

maybe ill play a bit

[abstract canopy]

oh thank god it works now

[crystal marsh]

first 3 months spent building naval dominance

also, i noticed how patrol cruisers are really effective at building dominance

i can literally get to 100% in 10 days with a maxed out 1940 patrol cruiser

[cedar latch]

I assume the Chinese defence meta has been completely overhauled

[crystal marsh]

focused on plane catapults

[opal nymph]

It is die, and then try to not completely die

[sudden thistle]

China starts with a 32k gun deficit

[cedar latch]

My previous 3 methods are now probably useless

[opal nymph]

Wait, no DLC might be different

[cedar latch]

WAT!

[opal nymph]

Let me turn off DLC really quick

[crystal marsh]

i can bet my fortune that this will be the new meta

[dusky burrow]

Okay I found a way to do 10-tile naval invasinos

[sudden thistle]

🥰

[shrewd inlet]

just set 1 div per an order

[cedar latch]

It wasn’t that bad before

[woven marlin]

hey guys i have a quick question

[crystal marsh]

what are the particularities of the revere the emperor path for japan

[woven marlin]

can a democracy declare war after getting a war goal through a focus?

[opal nymph]

You click multiple zones at once?

[cedar latch]

I can’t remember what it used to be but it wasn’t nearly that bad

[dusky burrow]

But you just need, uh... to do all of the transport techs plus full marine doctrine

[shrewd inlet]

ye

[crystal marsh]

unless they have a truce/nap with a certain country, yes

[dusky burrow]

1 + 1 + 3 + 4 + 1 = 10

[still loom]

[woven marlin]

alright thank you

[shrewd inlet]

they cant manually justify on other democracies or countries that haven't caused world tension

[sudden thistle]

Yeah we aren’t that desperate

[opal nymph]

That probably explained why I could do 72 division D-Day with 1940 tech

[zenith charm]

germany HAD to come in and ruin everything

[cedar latch]

Ouch

[still loom]

Oh my shiny

[woven marlin]

good to know have a goodnight to you guys,

[opal nymph]

SKIBIDI SAN MA LIVES

[sudden thistle]

MA BUFANG

[shrewd inlet]

honestly wish the nuke dlc was america not germany

[cedar latch]

I have seen enough

[sudden thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/me-and-bro-celebrating-best-friends-squid-game-2-my-guy-gif-8389215730122450876

[shrewd inlet]

Germany (as a country) had nothing to do with nuclear bombs

[buoyant lodge]

total soviet collapse

[crystal marsh]

moment of silence for skibidi san ma

[opal nymph]

Guess who the target of the Manhattan Project was

[cedar latch]

Now do I sell my 12th Kidney in the 5th dimension in order to buy a dlc

[dusky burrow]

Why tf does Raj only have 40 factories in 1946

[crystal marsh]

yes

[shrewd inlet]

iirc it was germany but they kicked the bucket much faster

[crystal marsh]

or paradox will come for you

[shrewd inlet]

bc raj is total ass now

[crystal marsh]

and force you to do it

no money? they use you as a slave to pay off the dlc

[cedar latch]

I haven’t bought a DLC since idk since the German rework

[opal nymph]

lmao

The old trees

[dusky burrow]

That explains it

[cedar latch]

It’s almost midnight so long people

[shrewd inlet]

bye beye

[opal nymph]

What is the point of Pre-emptive war if there is the Strike North Doctrine tree

[crystal marsh]

for a second i thought this was a mod

[opal nymph]

cya

[shrewd inlet]

I love China's new tree

[opal nymph]

I turned off the DLC to see the tree without it

[shrewd inlet]

sadly i can't experience it since China's awfully weak

marco polo bridge debuff return when

[opal nymph]

Corporate wants you to identify the differences between these two pictures

[crystal marsh]

hey at least paradox isnt locking the historical path behind a paywall

[buoyant lodge]

is the ussr allergic to capitulating?

[crystal marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/beggar-mendiant-emoji-meme-gif-14766354842854086359

[dusky burrow]

also this focus tree is so cringe, it's like written for 14 year old edgelords

[shrewd inlet]

did you get collabs on them?

[buoyant lodge]

i dont have that dlc

i have no stepback and götterdammerung

[opal nymph]

They had to rename a focus because it was too war crimey

[shrewd inlet]

that's.. hoi4's audience

[dusky burrow]

what do you mean "military cooperation with [nazi] germany", wtf are you supporting nazis

[ripe slate]

Honestly historical path is free and seems optimal for Soviet Union, Italy and Japan

[opal nymph]

Unironically

[shrewd inlet]

Then idk

[dusky burrow]

If you do this path you're a loser

[shrewd inlet]

yeah

[dusky burrow]

(okay I'm kidding tbf)

[crystal marsh]

is it just me or does japan feel like it has a touch of kx to it

at least the expansionist aspect of it

[shrewd inlet]

Russian Hist path is kinda boring but it's the only good one

If you go alt hist especially in MP you'll get one shot

[dusky burrow]

70 days for 8 aluminum

[crystal marsh]

you are NOT going to slander the monarchist path

[dusky burrow]

😭

[shrewd inlet]

also it's kinda stupid how all of russia's coal is on barb

[crystal marsh]

except if we're talking stats, ofc

[ripe slate]

Thats mostly where it is irl

[shrewd inlet]

it's like here, and they get blitzed

[ripe slate]

The coal expansion decision(s) are behind the urals for that reason

[shrewd inlet]

russia bros it's gg

[dusky burrow]

I mean yeah the coal shouldn't just be in Donetsk, but also Luhansk and Rostov

It's one large coal belt over there

[shrewd inlet]

i lowk wanted manchu to get a new tree but the og one is decent

[ripe slate]

Might be the contemporary data wasnt very region specific

I sure didnt get much useful data

[shrewd inlet]

yeah russian industry gets even more curbed on barb

[opal nymph]

I had to go on the forums to post what I discovered

[buoyant lodge]

soviuets will do anything but capitulate

[left skiff]

Stalin survived cw and has no picture and no focus tree xD

[shrewd inlet]

Germany's gonna get civ boosted by axis even more

[opal nymph]

Oh, factions are exclusive to the DLC

[shrewd inlet]

the update yeah

[dusky burrow]

At the same time in MP if the enemy gets as far as Donetsk you're in big trouble

[shrewd inlet]

They always do

[dusky burrow]

And yeah before the southern USSR wasn't even particularly valuable

[shrewd inlet]

Russia gets blown to bits in mp

[buoyant lodge]

the lion doesn't concern himself with allied troops landing in northern france

[dusky burrow]

Okay yeah fair the USSR always dies

[dusky burrow]

Only salvation, only salvation

[shrewd inlet]

A competent Russia vs a competent Axis and russia always gets one shot

We gotta roach till dday

[ripe slate]

which is silly because that seems like one of the major parts the Germans wanted

[sharp glade]

with the new dlc out, why is japan the only country that gets the new content and not china/prc?

[dusky burrow]

true

[ripe slate]

You dont have the DLC enabled

[shrewd inlet]

china and prc do get new content

[sharp glade]

i dont own the dlc yet btw forgot to mention

but from a non-dlc standpoint

[shrewd inlet]

KMT china's is unironically better than japan

[dusky burrow]

Also forts are even less useful now btw

[true needle]

ironic

[cerulean bear]

look at this peace deal

[shrewd inlet]

Makes sense

[cerulean bear]

AI btw

[heavy vigil]

they were useful?

[true needle]

im thinking of trying germany with support superheavy artillery, helicopter companies, and medium SPGs

[dusky burrow]

You have 40 from assault engineers, 25 from flame tanks, and 25 from super-heavy artillery, it's wild

and then 10 more for each of 1942 and 1945 upgrades

[shrewd inlet]

in certain situations, yeah

[true needle]

9 billion fuel consumption

[dusky burrow]

You can get 110 percent anti-fort bonus

[ripe slate]

Against AI 🙃

[shrewd inlet]

El Alamein

sorta

[heavy vigil]

no

in vanilla tanks just break them without issue

[shrewd inlet]

keyword sorta

[dusky burrow]

I mean these guys exist now

[heavy vigil]

anywhere

besides coastal forts

those are kinda decent

[shrewd inlet]

i lowk think tanks are a bit too busted

but that's js me

[heavy vigil]

theyre not

[shrewd inlet]

yes yes my king tiger is unstoppable!!

no breakdowns in sight

[heavy vigil]

they cost a lot and cant be used everywhere

[shrewd inlet]

not really

[heavy vigil]

compared to infantry

[shrewd inlet]

and infantry is buns

only good infra builds are mass mob roach builds to battleplan the enemy

[serene breach]

wth when italy becomed useful

[dusky burrow]

Yeah coastal forts can be nice, until the battlefleet shows up to nuke it to the ground now ig

[true needle]

ive tried out VNV belgium (couldnt continue because I couldnt invade britain), monarchist sweden (was fun but I did space marines which worked ok but ended up not being all that good or maybe they were and I had a skill issue), and hapsburg poland (had some initial success with my infantry bricks but they had air superiority and my tanks couldnt pierce theirs as mine had a close support gun)

what should I try next?

[ripe slate]

Road to-

🏃‍♂️‍➡️

[shrewd inlet]

Tanks in their batallions barely use any of em, especially heavies

[dusky burrow]

do sweden again but this time with armored cars

[shrewd inlet]

only real area you cant use them in is mountains

[true needle]

that was the old meta, now with the more modular doctrine system I feel that you can have much more variety with your army builds now

[true needle]

no

[shrewd inlet]

maybe

[dusky burrow]

Marshes exist too

[dusky burrow]

yeah also that doesn't really exist now tbh

[shrewd inlet]

pretty sure Amtracs negate that

[true needle]

I love the new system, I feel much less constrained as im not limited by the bonuses in the doctrine but my own creativity

[heavy vigil]

in europe theyre good

i agree

theyre very well situated for european terrain

[shrewd inlet]

and that's where all the fighting is

In asia it's mech marines

in africa it's also tanks

atleast north africa

[true needle]

anywhere else a simple mountaineer with an armor meme SPG and flame tanks works

[shrewd inlet]

everywhere else doesnt really matter

[dusky burrow]

Only somewhat mitigated, it's still an attrition nightmare, it is a 50-width tile, plus default penalty is 40% (only mountains are worse at 50%)

[shrewd inlet]

yeah

but you right click and they get deleted

🤷‍♀️

[dusky burrow]

You essentially need to build your tank divisions to be 32-width to specifically attack marshes

[shrewd inlet]

and considering german buffs are kinda busted, the marsh tiles on barb last a few days

[true needle]

I really want to use helicopters but radar is more important and waiting for breakthrough points takes forever

[dusky burrow]

air breakthroughs are a nightmare

[true needle]

I also want to use medium frames, heavy fighters and tactical bombers have aura even if they aren't as efficient as light frames

[dusky burrow]

plus you also would want jets late-game too

[dusky burrow]

Yeah they have their uses

They're basically your jack of all trades, master of none

[shrewd inlet]

HF are busted on Japan (idk abt the new dlc) and america

[dusky burrow]

japan pre-dlc used naval light frames because of cost reductions tbf

[true needle]

last time I played japan I used carrier fighters for everything because of the -20% cost you can get for them

[shrewd inlet]

but nobody cares about japan, they get one shot 99% of the time

[heavy vigil]

how are they good on japan?

[true needle]

and I didnt even need air for china pre dlc, I capped them first try in 1937 after rushing the war

[shrewd inlet]

They're okay, you can spam out alot of them but the range isn't good

[shrewd inlet]

Range, Islands

[heavy vigil]

2 things that dont matter?

islands give no resources or buffa

buffs*

[shrewd inlet]

range coverage of airzones matter

[heavy vigil]

and the range of small is good

[errant plover]

why that achievment isnt popping?

[shrewd inlet]

Island hopping till you get capped by the US

Because America is better than japan

[true needle]

yeah that was kinda the point tbh, heavy fighters have more range but naval invading the pacific islands is easy and china is a pushover so the extra investment for heavy fighters didnt seem all that worth it when I was making carrier planes anyways so why not double down and use carrier planes for my airforce?

[heavy vigil]

you make small because you have cost reduction, you cant do HF because you dont have jet engines like the US to negate low speed

and also dont have resources for jets

[shrewd inlet]

fair point

[heavy vigil]

and islands give nothing

[shrewd inlet]

America also just gets better planes

[heavy vigil]

with the dlc you might wanna take guam so the US has no range

the rest is still meaningless

[true needle]

but using heavy fighters for barbarossa seems more useful though I can get quite a lot of range with extra fuel tanks on light airframes

[true needle]

P-61 my beloved

[shrewd inlet]

new dlc screws up naval range, no?

[dusky burrow]

BTW Casey, RIP to super-heavy artillery being super-good on infantry battalions

[errant plover]

anyone has idea?

[dusky burrow]

How so

[true needle]

stack both for 30% soft attack

[heavy vigil]

its still good on inf?

[dusky burrow]

Fair problem is that you only have 5 slots

[true needle]

what classifies as an "army" battalion?

[heavy vigil]

you do superheavy for break

[ripe slate]

Maybe one of those contested states on the Indian border?

[shrewd inlet]

USA Range

[errant plover]

starting china cores

[heavy vigil]

its stronger now because some of the defense should become break too i believe

[heavy vigil]

thats fake

they can build up guam to get range

nothing else

so if you take philippines+guam youre safe

[shrewd inlet]

Jap range

[heavy vigil]

if you dont then its still whatever

[errant plover]

oh wait you are right, one province is missing

[ripe slate]

[errant plover]

will paratroop to jap and just take these in peace deal

thank you

boss

[shrewd inlet]

This is starting 36 range

[opal nymph]

From 1 home base

[dusky burrow]

and you'd want to use 4 of them on medium flame tank, armored recon, hospitals, and assault engineers

[opal nymph]

You can set your home bases to other ports

[shrewd inlet]

m

I gotcha

[jovial sigil]

seams decent

[shrewd inlet]

they can't touch the american islands

[jovial sigil]

can extend. and its decent for taking southeast asia.good challenge and puzzle decent

[shrewd inlet]

idk what they did to navy it looks kinda buns now

[shrewd inlet]

also can't engage the US fleet, and having to use japan's limited Industry on expanding it

unless they wanan battle in south china sea

[jovial sigil]

ok now that sounds like if i wanna suffer. personally i went back a patch because paradox want to overcharge me and coal bothered my first new run.

[dusky burrow]

I see (I lose 16.2 soft for 8.2 break, so doesn't seem like it buffs break)

I gain 81.1 defense which is insane

[buoyant lodge]

why can't i establish the greater german reich?

[dusky burrow]

BTW when it says army it means army, because that's a substantial buff

[true needle]

youll have to take it from italy

[errant plover]

you dont have paris under your control

[buoyant lodge]

you're kidding right

oh my goddddddddddd

[true needle]

yeah you need paris

[dusky burrow]

Just kill Italy with mountaineers? I don't know what's such a problem

[buoyant lodge]

can i make em give it to me

[true needle]

no idea

[buoyant lodge]

tbh i could prolly smack em

i'll do that post-war

[true needle]

ive got no idea what to play

[serene willow]

is there already a new meta?

[true needle]

I would play italy but I dont want to deal with the balance of power stuff

[true needle]

I dont think there is an established meta now, doctrines are a lot more customizable so its less "whats best" and more "whats best for your current situation/build"

[craggy trail]

As far as I know, templates haven't changed a lot with the new doctrines

[dusky burrow]

True

[buoyant lodge]

so close yet so far

[true needle]

a lot of subdoctrines give some interesting buffs here and there, like siege artillery giving support superheavy artillery 10% extra soft attack for whatever division its in

[dusky burrow]

but infantry should be a choice between large unit tactics and assault infantry

[serene willow]

Im soviets rn is there a new good build?

[true needle]

ive never played the soviets, i'd guess infantry bricks with hospitals and some medium tank divisions

[cedar kite]

Build infrastructure in Baku and spam rubber refineries

[true needle]

maybe make space marines to give your infantry armor or something

idk I basically never play the big 4

[buoyant lodge]

guess who doesn't control baku XD

italian

[dusky burrow]

You should definitely try mounted infantry, 8.4 kmh cavalry is funny, and individual excellence doesn't seem too bad either

[cedar kite]

You Fumbled the bag

[buoyant lodge]

what if i lowk just kill them

[cedar kite]

The Romanians are easier to kill

[true needle]

ive got no idea if this is better than regular infantry or not all I see is the 8.4km/h and I see encirclements

[buoyant lodge]

yeah but they happen to also be italian

in this game

[true needle]

I do find cavalry interesting as there are quite a few nations that get bonuses for them but I see 0% hardness and 9 morbillion casualties

[buoyant lodge]

italy is basically greater rome

[cedar kite]

Im sorry what

[true needle]

I dislike casualties, a lot

[buoyant lodge]

uhh partially at least

[true needle]

tanks can be replaced but once you run out of manpower thats it

[buoyant lodge]

scrape the barrel theory

[cedar kite]

Of course they have the Romanian oil

[dusky burrow]

mobile infantry doesn't seem good at all
defensive postures is better but also doesn't seem too good
irregulars is not bad but a bit worse than large unit tactics (unless you can add irregulars and militia to template, in which case it's super good)
people's militia is a meme
great war infantry isn't good either

[buoyant lodge]

so i have to kill them i dont have a choice

[true needle]

yeah that'll give me manpower, at the cost of not being able to produce anything

[cedar kite]

Not really unless iran and iraq are available to invade for their oil

[mystic gale]

Yellow China has returned

[frozen spindle]

Big Tibet

[dusky burrow]

Irregulars would be so broken if you can add them to a template because the irregular doctrines will literally give it negative supply consumption

on top of a 0.4 combat reduction

Unfortunately I don't think there's a nation in game like that

[grand wolf]

What ever are irregulars

[true needle]

any tips for cavalry poland?

or just poland in general?

[dusky burrow]

infantry but with low org, slightly less attack, but higher HP

[true needle]

I tried hapsburg poland and my offensive into germany ground to a halt after all their divisions finished up with france

[true needle]

(higher HP = less losses)

[dusky burrow]

Precisely

[true needle]

its why tanks take so many losses when they take damage and why you pair mechanized with them, because they have extremely low org and HP

[grand wolf]

So high hp and high org is good?

[buoyant lodge]

1k infantry production and it still aint enough

daily

[dusky burrow]

Yeah, but org can be a double edged sword when you have little HP

[dusky burrow]

China?

[buoyant lodge]

victorious greater german reich

[true needle]

yes, this is why infantry is good on the defense because the high org means that they can last a long time in battle which often means the enemy runs out of org faster and cant continue attacking

high HP means less losses per unit of damage

[dusky burrow]

1k infantry equipment just to replace garrison losses?

[true needle]

high org and low HP is bad, because that division can last a long time in battle but the lack of HP means they take a lot more damage

[grand wolf]

What causes less loss of equipment?

[buoyant lodge]

div reinforcements they're dying to attrition in iran

LOL

[true needle]

which is why hospitals is a decent choice for tanks as they boost the HP given by motorized and mechanized, often by 20-30

[dusky burrow]

Think of it this way, 100% HP means 100% equipment loss

[grand wolf]

What

[dusky burrow]

If an enemy takes a smaller portion of your HP, then you lose less equipment

[true needle]

loss of strength, the yellow bar next to a divisions organization, this represents the equipment and manpower in the division

strength is lost every time a division engages in battle but some is regained immediately afterwards

[dusky burrow]

Thus, more HP means smaller portion of HP loss which means less equipment loss

[brisk breach]

guys which tutorial playlist should i watch

ive already watched one with 18 videos 40 mins each

[true needle]

im not exactly sure how HP interacts with strength but I know that the more HP you have the less strength you lose

[brisk breach]

and i feel like it was confusing

[true needle]

well you could ask us, I may not be an expert but I do have some experience

[brisk breach]

i have like

uhhh

lemme check how many hours i got

[urban jasper]

Is anyone experienced with the new China focus tree?

[brisk breach]

bought the game like a year ago but only played like 70 hours

[true needle]

I have 761 but im still scared to play germany

[brisk breach]

i've lowk just been playing germany

its not even that hard lowk

ive conquered ussr on regular a few times

[true needle]

pre-no step back DLC I tried germany and I got stuck in the benelux and I havent tried it since

[grand wolf]

What would make it to where my infantry get the equipment they lost fastest

[urban jasper]

As Nationalist China, how do I acquire generals from other warlords? I know it's not the same as before.

[true needle]

so despite by 761 hours I have literally never beaten france as germany, or beaten france in general

[brisk breach]

fr?

[wicked haven]

How come

[brisk breach]

he hasnt played germany in a while

if i was u

[wicked haven]

Fair

[true needle]

well 75% of that was in EaW, so france literally never existed

[grand wolf]

Its easy with 30 width attack infantry that has 9 infantry battalions with 4 line artillery

[brisk breach]

unknown i used that but 3 arti and 1 anti air

js for tanks

[true needle]

I dislike attacking with infantry, I see big casualty numbers under my nations flag and I get anxious

[grand wolf]

I use an aa support company for that

[brisk breach]

smart smart

[true needle]

I like my purely defensive infantry divisions and 4-6 tank divisions that I use for encirclements

I refuse to push with infantry

[brisk breach]

whenever i play germany i use infantry and my k'd ratios are like 1 to 4

[grand wolf]

Fair point that does consume manpower like the red army

[buoyant lodge]

who gon win make your bets

[dusky burrow]

I mean with this DLC you can break the maginot with 32.4 width mountaineers + super-heavy artillery + assault engineers + flame tanks and don't need the railway artillery, it's wild

[true needle]

most of the time mine are 1:10 as I prioritize encirclements

[grand wolf]

Depends if the uk capitulates

[brisk breach]

axis prob weak rn

[dusky burrow]

Still get the railway artillery because it helps

[true needle]

last time I played EaW I took like 14k casualties and inflicted 1M+ in like half a year with 6 medium tank divisions alone

[buoyant lodge]

brutal industrial capacity mog

[brisk breach]

oh nvm holy 😭

[grand wolf]

I broke through it with normal infantry

[dusky burrow]

Only 382 factories wow

[buoyant lodge]

382 where

[brisk breach]

industrial is low asl

[buoyant lodge]

oh

right

[true needle]

jarvis post the K/D ratio (my casualties where something like 40k)

[buoyant lodge]

yeah they were busy repairing infra for like a year

[true needle]

luv me tanks

[brisk breach]

guys which south american should i play

thinking peru cause its alr facist

[grand wolf]

Chile

Its op

[brisk breach]

k ty ty

[grand wolf]

You'll have infinite manpower trusy

[brisk breach]

nah i hate producing tanks though

its so annoying

[buoyant lodge]

war broke out in uh

37?

[dusky burrow]

Yeah fair but this is the route we're taking essentially

[dusky burrow]

oof

[grand wolf]

What visual mods can I use and still get achievements?

[true needle]

any tips for cavalry divisions? I might make fast light tanks to put in them so they have some armor

[south stirrup]

So I beat China as democratic Japan and its 1945 now Germany beat Russia and is only at war with the allies the US is in my faction too what should I do now?

[buoyant lodge]

keel them all

[south stirrup]

Allies and Axis?

[grand wolf]

Yes

[dusky burrow]

Beat Germany

[brisk breach]

never seen this guy be a field marshal lowk

[dusky burrow]

I mean

[buoyant lodge]

kill = good

[south stirrup]

I dont like either cause Britain has Malaya and Germany has Sakhalin

Ill kill them

[buoyant lodge]

i promoted some random infantry trained general

[south stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-kill-that-boy-speedy-moments-w-speed-speed-clip-gif-16493548970782765043

[brisk breach]

lol

[dusky burrow]

Or actually beat the country you can declare war on

[south stirrup]

wait ill check

I didn’t declare on Soviets cause I was deep in the Chinese war

[brisk breach]

when should i build dockyards as germany?

and how many should i try to get

[silk fern]

as many as it takes

[brisk breach]

alr

[true needle]

which doctrine has a ton of cavalry bonuses?

[atomic grove]

none

[true needle]

poland starts with GBP and theres not much for cavalry bonuses there

[plain pawn]

1937. build 50-100

[brisk breach]

kk ty

[atomic grove]

build dockyards if u want to make a navy

[south stirrup]

0 ignore navy and give up when you reach a stalemate with the allies

[dusky burrow]

BTW speaking of getting new generals, this is very nice

[brisk breach]

i feel like u should only use cav for garrisons

[true needle]

beat the benelux
beat france
beat the USSR
quit game because screw fighting the royal navy

[atomic grove]

but usually as germany you're usually supposed to just almost fully ignore the navy

[true needle]

poland gets quite a few bonuses for cavalry and they can get quite fast

I saw someone post 8.4km/w cavalry

[atomic grove]

spam submarines at the very start though

[brisk breach]

ohhh for poland

[atomic grove]

you'll need it to bait the royal navy

[grand wolf]

What are the new chinese achievements?

[brisk breach]

kk cause i was tryna naval invasion britan and i saw like 600 ships bro 😭

[brisk breach]

i had like 30 bro

[still loom]

This is so satisfying

[brisk breach]

what country r u playing?

[atomic grove]

how did you even become commie ottomans????

[brisk breach]

oh turkey

i think theres a focus tree for that in dlc?

war of bourough or sum like that

[still loom]

I don't have a single dlc

[brisk breach]

oh lol

[still loom]

Generic tree

[atomic grove]

oh

no wonder

[brisk breach]

u should buy the battle of borough though

or whatever its called

its 5 bucks rn

for greece turkey and uhhh

[atomic grove]

is there a decision that forms the ottoman empire if you take some land?

[brisk breach]

one other country idek

[still loom]

Look and be amazed. ima make it the pride

[south stirrup]

I did this once but I also managed to beat the US cause Mexico joined me

[still loom]

Yes but you have to fight allies for that

[atomic grove]

how do you even get 300 heavy attack on that

[true needle]

IM....

IM...

THINKING!!!!

[brisk breach]

guys what video settings should i use

[south stirrup]

also is it normal for Germany to become the Holy Roman Reich?

[atomic grove]

the highest that i was able to get on a super heavy was like 165

[true needle]

massed cavalry with field hospitals and armor meme light tank recon to provide armor

[still loom]

Base is like this but other modifiers increase it

[atomic grove]

i thought fascist hre was "nationalist roman state"

[true needle]

oh lord

[languid patrol]

how do i do this

[still loom]

ima nuke UK a little more for fun.

5 at once

[brisk breach]

is it normal that i spent 6 hours become facist as swizterland and snaking germany

[atomic grove]

do some shenanigans with the zaibatsu focuses in the industry focus tree

to make both army and naval factions at influential

[south stirrup]

Idek what happened I also have some random formable mods I never use so it could be that

[grand wolf]

Make the navy and army be the same influence

[languid patrol]

how

[distant knoll]

this game is so peak

[grand wolf]

In the focus tree

[atomic grove]

get both army and naval to influential or above

then

[grand wolf]

Skill issue

[brisk breach]

how is that posible 😭

[slim nexus]

Ickinda like the new doctrine system

[atomic grove]

get zaibatsu to be dominant

which makes both army and naval factions at influential

[buoyant lodge]

brutal army score mog

[atomic grove]

(u need army or naval to be dominant before doing this)

[true needle]

my only gripe with it is that you cant see the subdoctrines the other doctrines have when you have already chosen one

[distant knoll]

just use normal AA for super heavies

[still loom]

Alright this is gonna be a big boom

[distant knoll]

the industry needs coal

[buoyant lodge]

my discord tweaking

[true needle]

5 big booms

[true needle]

the factory must grow

[languid patrol]

this pic is so dope

[distant knoll]

literally hate coal

theres not enough coal to go around the world

[grand wolf]

Can you do awake and hungry, and a Fullmetal brotherhood at the same time by getting all of china as fascist china?

[brisk breach]

guys is it normal that whenever i fart it makes a crater in my pants that cant go back to normal

[true needle]

obviously you need more mining productivity techs

[distant knoll]

i own half the world 🥀

[unique geyser]

is there a way to check which material organization gives which bonuses in total?

a summary of these

[north spoke]

does the US stay in the american commonwealth or do they join the allies once japan does pearl harbor?

[silk fern]

calculator

[distant knoll]

yeah no, you can research all of them using commands and check what gives what and take notes ig

[tulip thorn]

Small encirclement in northern france

[unique geyser]

who the f designed this

[unique geyser]

@proud sparrow please add this

[tulip thorn]

Pretty sure they have an event

[atomic grove]

if u declare war on usa or ph, they join the allies instantly

[slim nexus]

Guys I have a question if I buy General Edition and already have main game

[north spoke]

so the american commonwealth is a useless faction

[atomic grove]

if ur playing as japan yes

not sure about if ur other nations though

[slim nexus]

Should't I pay only 15?

[north spoke]

no

[slim nexus]

Why

[still loom]

They are so cooked

[north spoke]

why would paradox not want to squeeze all they can out of you?

paradox is notorious for draining you of every last cent in your wallet

[slim nexus]

I know

[still loom]

[slim nexus]

But math isn't mathing

[north spoke]

its paradox math

[brisk veldt]

Anyone played Czechoslovakia?

[proud sparrow]

No, because it's not a dynamic bundle, it doesn't take into account what you already own

[north spoke]

im sure somebody has at some point

[proud sparrow]

dynamic bundles remove the cost of things you own already, which this is just a regular bundle

[slim nexus]

There are any dynamic bundle on?

[true needle]

recon tank?

[proud sparrow]

make a suggestion over on the forum, best place to put them

[proud sparrow]

I think the big nations bundle is dynamic but not sure

[south stirrup]

Whens a good time to finish the Japan Civil war?

[heavy vigil]

you need improved for it not to get pierced by gun 1 (1936)

[south stirrup]

I finished mine in 1938 or something is that too late

[heavy vigil]

so basically useless

[true needle]

oh

[tulip thorn]

The same goes for every civil war, as fast as possible

[true needle]

well I dont want my cavalry divisions to take an immense amount of casualties

[heavy vigil]

because youd be able to get your div to 4.1 armor

lol

[peak mason]

Navy is so confusingggg

[true needle]

so im going to have to add some kind of armor

[slim nexus]

Ubare right

[true needle]

need help?

bruh that macarthur guy is like 50 years late

[peak mason]

Been trying to learn for like a week really every tutorial is the same none help at all

[true needle]

ill try my best, give me a minute to type it out

[drifting kiln]

why did they program japanese ai to spread out everywhere after naval invasions

genuinely the most annoying thing ever

[heavy vigil]

in comparison you only need 25% of that srmor value for gun 0

[deep solstice]

What path should I go down as the swiss?

[grand wolf]

Mass forts

Make the axis suffer

[lost oak]

Can someone explain something to me...?

Why am I starting as the UK with 0 planes of any type built/in reserves? (1936 start)

[deep solstice]

This was more what I meant

the main 2 paths

are either axis or allies

[jade nebula]

Is Sinkiang joining the Chinese united front RNG or how does it work?

[deep solstice]

I think I have to go ais tho

axis*

[graceful oar]

I think someone should host

[deep solstice]

bc ill literally be surrounded as the swiss conf. if not

[lost oak]

Like... is this a new thing I've missed in recent updates?

I start the game with 0 trains in stockpiles, basic trains not even researched, hell even the basic starting techs not researched, and no planes in stockpiles

[graceful oar]

That’s just you

[grand wolf]

You'll be safe in a war against the axis if you get medical helicopters

[deep solstice]

I guess

what do we think?

[grand wolf]

Just build up till late 1940 to early 1941

[grand wolf]

Do france and italy wait for germany to annex Austria to do the german one

[deep solstice]

honestly I might just spam militias

lol

should I start training my militias?

[grand wolf]

You can wait, improve the divisions first

[deep solstice]

yeah your right

[grand wolf]

Also build a aeronautical facility rn

[deep solstice]

so, allies or axis, final question?

no reason to fortify the faction im not warring with

[grand wolf]

Allies

[deep solstice]

alright

i mean

im already democratic

its in my swiss nature

[grand wolf]

But exploit the right side of the focus tree to become stronger

[true needle]

navy is split into 3 lines: screens, capitals, and carriers/convoys

destroyers and light cruisers are screens

heavy cruisers, coastal defense ships, battlecruisers, battleships, and superheavy battleships are capitals

carriers and convoys are in the rear

screens can only attack other screens UNLESS there are no screens or insufficient screens, once the enemy no longer has full screening efficiency (less than 3-4 screens per capitals (this is VERY important)) your screens can start attacking the enemies capital ships

capitals ships however can attack over the screen line letting them attack other capitals even if they have full screening efficiency

carriers need 1 capital to obtain full screening efficiency, without it the enemy capitals can attack your carriers which is really bad

there is also hit profiles and hull visibility, small and fast ships like destroyers and light cruisers have a low hit profile while battleships and carriers have a high hit profile

little guns like light guns and light batteries have an easy time hitting destroyers and cruisers but they wont deal much damage while medium and heavy batteries have a much harder time but they can deal serious damage to capitals

torpedos struggle to hit things smaller than capitals but when they hit they hit

the faster a ship is and the lower its hull profile and visibility is the harder they are to hit

modules like fire controls and radar are very important for ships as they increase your hit chance and attack stats, hit chance is very important as a missed shot does 0 damage

[plain pawn]

fix hoi4 MP

:(

[grand wolf]

@deep solstice make sure you get spirit of saint Bernard as well that'll lower losses alot

[deep solstice]

LOL

alr

[true needle]

holy crap

[peak mason]

Imma save this

[grand wolf]

Its overpowered with medical helicopters

[true needle]

if you have any question feel free to ask

there is a lot I didnt cover like how to design ships

[peak mason]

The thing is when like I start with a country idk how to like organize the navy or like what to do with it

[deep solstice]

Ima go down the middle path first

make those super militias fr

[grand wolf]

Yeah I go down the middle path first as well

[queen valley]

Ying Yong Decision is broken, infinite militias. Manchuria.

[true needle]

paradox changed how navy works recently so any advice you see around may be wrong as its outdated

but basically you have 3 fleets:

1. sub fleet, this is where all your subs go, keep them out of your main fleets, they have slow speed and will reduce the speed of your entire fleet making them much easier to hit

use them for convoy raiding in places that aren't shallow seas (shallow seas increase the subs visibility by 100% making them extremely easy to destroy

2. scout fleet, put a handful of destroyers or light cruisers here, you only need a few (like 2-5), set them to never engage (they arent supposed to fight the enemy, only locate), keep them cheap, fast, and full of radar and floatplanes, if you cant afford to make light cruisers destroyers will do

3. main fleet, this is where all your other ships go. If you are making one from scratch use this template:

1-4 carriers, no more than 4 otherwise their sortie stats get reduced

1 capital per carrier, its a good idea to have a few extra in case you take losses

3-4 screens per capital and carrier, you want more screens than you need in case you take losses (you WILL take losses)

[lost oak]

Thanks for the useless answer?

[true needle]

put the scouts on patrol and your main fleet on strike force

[heavy vigil]

as who?

[true needle]

split the patrols into 1 ship per task force under one general so they can cover more zones (if you put them all in one task force they can only patrol one zone efficiently, but 3-4 one ship task forces can patrol an equal amount of zones efficiently) and then put your main fleet on strike force in those areas you are patrolling

[heavy vigil]

oh

i see

[peak mason]

Should I put the scouts on a different like group

[heavy vigil]

you have planes theyre just deployed

[lost oak]

Nope

[heavy vigil]

you could have them in reserve if you deleted your airwings

[true needle]

yep, put them under a different admiral

[lost oak]

0 planes at all, none in reserve, none deployed

[heavy vigil]

show..?

[peak mason]

Appreciate the help like I really wanna learn navy to play other nations like Japan the USA or UK

[lost oak]

One moment

[jade nebula]

is there a way to actually get sinkiang in the chinese united front?

[peak mason]

Should I have one or more main fleet? Like say for the UK

[true needle]

preferably with an admiral with the spotter trait (+10% spotting speed), if you dont have anyone with that trait then blockade runner would be the next best as it makes your fleet faster when they retreat, your scouts are not supposed to engage the enemy so this helps them get away from combat faster if they get engaged

[lost oak]

@heavy vigil

[true needle]

I would say have a few, like one for the pacific and one for the atlantic

[peak mason]

So like 2-3?

[true needle]

yep, with like 3-4 spotting ships per main fleet

[heavy vigil]

odd

[lost oak]

One strong strike fleet per theatre and at least 2 x (number of patrol zones) spotting dedicated task forces per fleet

[lost oak]

I'm playing with some mods but they're mostly just cosmetic ones

[peak mason]

For production what should I do

It’s one thing I get confused about

[heavy vigil]

might be broken idk

[earnest wadi]

light cruisers good for screens or destroyers?

[heavy vigil]

light cruisers deal damage

destroyers dont deal damage

[finite plume]

Interesting 🗿

[heavy vigil]

for hp its like equal

[lost oak]

Both are screening ships, however DD's are more efficient because they're cheaper

[earnest wadi]

wait you telling me loading destroyers with torps done nothing this far?!

[heavy vigil]

no theyre ok

[silk fern]

mid 1937, china needs to be buffed lol

[heavy vigil]

but not that good

torp 3 is better than light cruisers

[lost oak]

Your CL's should be built with as much Light Attack as possible to clear the enemy screens quickly

[heavy vigil]

but torp 1 and 2 kinda suck

[lost oak]

Any suggestions?

[heavy vigil]

you wanna do collabs

[earnest wadi]

How about torp cruisers as screens?

efficiency be damned

[finite plume]

Power our nation ❎
Export all our power ✅

Truly the Chinese way

[heavy vigil]

its taking the worst part of a cruiser (cost) and the worst part of a destroyer (torp being bad) and putting them together

[deep solstice]

should I try to pre-empt anschluss?

[true needle]

for destroyers put hydrophones, radar, 1 depth charge, and as many torpedos as you can fit. no armor

their job is to be meat shields, hunt submarines, and kill capitals

for light cruisers put as much armor as you can on them and then as much light attack as you can, their job is to kill screens (very important), the armor will make them very durable to enemy light attack

for capitals it depends on your industry, if you are a minor use armorless heavy cruisers with some heavy attack and secondary batteries, their cruiser hull and fast speed (due to a lack of armor) will make them hard to hit with heavy batteries

but if you do have the industry (and the chromium) use battleships, put 2-3 heavy batteries, 1 floatplane, and the rest AA, their high armor and HP make them more likely to be targeted by enemy planes so you can use them as "fly swatters"

carriers are simple, no armor, no secondaries, just flight decks and AA, and then give them mostly carrier naval bombers with some carrier fighters to help intercept enemy planes

[earnest wadi]

In other words perfect for idiot pleb like me

[true needle]

for all these ships give them the best fire control you have and radar

[grand wolf]

Nah

[peak mason]

also one more question like when it’s in the production queue like how do I replace like new models with the old ones for ships. Because like with other items it does it automatically does it still do the same with ships?

[south stirrup]

goddamn I integrated Manchukuo and got 128 divisions

[earnest wadi]

What ratio for naval bombers? 100 slot carrier

[silk fern]

why is chiang still incharge

[true needle]

you can refit older ships into newer versions, I highly recommend doing this for fire control and radars but dont do it for batteries, armor, or engines as the cost isnt worth it

if you design a ship and it makes others you have in production outdated just let them finish, NEVER cancel a ship in production unless it literally just started, an outdated ship is better than no ship after all

[peak mason]

What if a country like Italy or Germany who start with like battleships and not carriers

[true needle]

if your nation already has out of date ships in production set them to produce 1 model and once they finish the dockyards will be freed up for other ships, there is a + and - button to the left of the dockyard icons (not the top) that let you determine how many ships you want those dockyards to make, by default its infinite

[true needle]

prioritize building 2-3 carriers (4 might not be feasible) and then refit your capitals with newer radar and fire control modules

as well as building armored light cruisers

[still loom]

[peak mason]

Also one more question. Do I need to like keep upgrading the ship modules?

[hot nebula]

can someone teach me i just bought the game today 😭

i cant even move troops

[true needle]

the basic carrier is decent enough but you get more flightdeck module slots with better carrier techs

[peak mason]

Like the 1936s..1940s..1944 etc..

[grand wolf]

#hearts-of-iron-news

[silk fern]

Play for 400 hours, if you still don’t get it play 400 more

That’s what I did

[hot nebula]

lowk

good idea

do i just click random stuff?

[true needle]

the ship hulls got changed around a bit so its no longer 1936 or 1944, now its early, basic, improved, advanced

[earnest wadi]

Or be a pleb and use console commands to speed up the headache

[silk fern]

Maybe watch a YouTube tutorial to get the very basics down

[peak mason]

ooh ok

[hot nebula]

i tried and i was still cooked

[true needle]

its a good idea, especially main batteries and torpedos, when you unlock them dont refit for them though just make new ships with them

[silk fern]

Yah, the YouTube guides never helped me when I was starting either

[grand wolf]

Play as Austria

[peak mason]

Should I make like destroyers/light cruisers for different purposes like spotting…or like for sub killing

[ancient marsh]

this doesn't decrease ic for carrier planes right

carrier fighters specifically

[hot nebula]

i like get it a little bit but for sum reason when i make new troops they dont work

even tho i got everything

[ancient marsh]

only asking cause i never make carrier fighters

[heavy vigil]

no

its better if its land based

[ancient marsh]

what con as japan do i have for using carrier planes both ways

[heavy vigil]

carrier fighters are more expensive and have more weight

[true needle]

I would say focus on making armored cruisers for your main fleets, destroyers tend to die a lot in big engagements

but you will still need some form of anti submarine ship so destroyers with mostly torpedos, 1 depth charge, and radar/hydrophones and no armor is good, this way you can use them for spotting, sub hunting, and you can put them in your main fleets to help with big engagements

[heavy vigil]

and especially with your buffs being on regular fighters

[peak mason]

Thanks a lot

[ancient marsh]

marginally but i suppose

[heavy vigil]

well no, a lot if you compare the stats

[alpine quartz]

I’m not sure if this is for communist china specially but militia feels really strong this update

[true needle]

but you could skip out on scouting ships entirely and just use older ships, just look for the ones with floatplanes

if you have air superiority in a sea zone that will help a ton with spotting

but if you do want to make dedicated spotting ships then 3-4 cheap light cruisers with as many floatplanes as you can fit and with radar if you have it is good

it all depends on how many dockyards you have, if you have a ton make everything but if you can only make 3-4 things with 5/10 dockyards each then focus on carriers and armored light cruisers as any nation with 30-40 dockyards most certainly has capitals already

[ancient marsh]

looks like the air tree also doesnt give specific bonuses to non carrier fighters or cas etc

or land

[heavy vigil]

comparison btw

cost is from pre dlc

its higher now

(for carrier fighter)

[true needle]

@peak mason keep in mind that this is a general guideline, your strategy will change based on your nation and its available factories and resources

[ancient marsh]

these designs arent even the same