hoi4-general

[rare crow]

I think this was the longest I've ever played in hoi4. But I made Japan a Eastern superpower.

[wicked haven]

watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvHT121_lWQ

[tacit root]

20 hours for everything ?

[tacit root]

Oh yeah i watched that

[rocky sedge]

For everything but air

[tacit root]

Im currently not on my pc but i took this pic

Im stuck in here

[bronze mango]

Wtf did you do in Mongolia

Just give it to mengjiang

[tacit root]

What do i need to produce

[wicked haven]

everything in yellow

[tacit root]

12 units of atillery ?

[wicked haven]

so everything but manpower

if you open the production tab

[bronze mango]

Guns support equipment and artillery mainly

[tacit root]

Whats infantry eq

[bronze mango]

Guns

[rare crow]

dude it is 12:32 AM. My brain is fried

[wicked haven]

I would say watch and copy a bittersteel video (or any other guide play by play) and you will pick up the basics

[tacit root]

Okay

[deep solstice]

🚬

[wicked haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbpWbSD6hEY

[jovial narwhal]

💀

[wicked haven]

he gives you a focus list in the des

[deep solstice]

why is this happening to people 😭

im so glad I didnt buy ts 😭

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-fortress-soldier-gif-10140929324912630828

[wicked haven]

note that you can skip the dlc only steps and don't have to actually do everything 1:1 since I think he does a USA invasion in 1940

[jovial narwhal]

i didnt buy it cause im pore fr

[rocky sedge]

Because any country can take over factions for like 200 pp now iirc

[wicked haven]

how

[deep solstice]

wasted $62 in DLCs earlier, we are all poor now

[wicked haven]

okay Lichtenstein Axis leadership run

[jovial narwhal]

tannu tuvas that strong

[wicked haven]

I just want air marshals

please can we get air coodination

[tacit root]

The guide that i watched said italy is the easiest to play

So imma play that

[clear dagger]

me on my way to assume leadership of the allies as malta:

https://tenor.com/view/ben-stiller-zoolander-macho-walk-miner-gif-3456157

[wicked haven]

Germany is the instigator, most powerful by far

[rocky sedge]

Air rework that’s even more shitty in the Nepal dlc fr

[wicked haven]

Italy has a much weaker industry but is still good and the ai ger normally carries you

[paper echo]

chat are there any other secret paths than japanese empress and khan as kumul

[tacit root]

Yeah

[rocky sedge]

Real

[tacit root]

How much factories should i be making

[rocky sedge]

Icl the coal icon is so ugly

[tacit root]

As much civs and military right

[clear dagger]

900 thousand

[tacit root]

Alright

[wicked haven]

depends on the nation but in PVE you want to build civs for the early and only mils from then on

[tacit root]

It says youre bankrupt idiot

[clear dagger]

you want to spam naval bases fr

[tacit root]

What do i do now

[wicked haven]

Italy will not easily make top tier mechanised stuff though, they are relegated to more infantry/spec ops units esp early

[brave frost]

Im sorry 30 euro for this?

[paper echo]

the things i hate most in this update is that you cant spam 2 unit naval invasions anymore and that they nerfed collab govs

[golden jackal]

jesus this dlc is bullshit

[paper echo]

and coal ofc

[wicked haven]

why is everyone hating on the dlc? I haven't played it yet

[tacit root]

Alright im just trying to learn the game for now so ty for ur help sir

[paper echo]

the dlc looks cool

[golden jackal]

dont play it

[wicked haven]

Is Japan as strong as GTD ger now?

[golden jackal]

save your life

[vivid gust]

How's the DLC? Worth buying?

[paper echo]

well getting china is easier according to others

[bronze mango]

Peak

[golden jackal]

30 euro for 1 new focus tree and totaly broken navy, doctrine etc.. like wtf

[deep solstice]

[wicked haven]

It's a pretty straightforward game once you learn it, there is just a lot of mechanics. the difficulty comes from the fact that mistakes compound from the beginning

[zinc light]

ok the 30 bucks price tag is ridiculous

[rose pumice]

ive literally just seen this too 😭

[zinc light]

https://tenor.com/view/tuva-tannu-gif-25912412

[deep solstice]

$20 or less per DLC imo

[bronze mango]

The great and mighty tannu tuva

[novel otter]

This is me rn

pain

[golden jackal]

15 euro is ok for this shit

[deep solstice]

I meant in general

[zinc light]

yup, that would be much more justified. Considering that most high-quality indie games cost less than 15 bucks

[wicked haven]

Tannu Tuva will not be compromising

[lapis hemlock]

Tannu Tuva > World

[deep solstice]

this is like a $15 dlc

[zinc light]

I get it, Paradox is a AAA company by now, but still

[rose pumice]

real

[deep solstice]

still considering refunding my $62 in DLC I bought earlier to buy the subscription

[zinc light]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-dewit-gif-11426456

[tacit root]

I play rise of nations i got this

[deep solstice]

yeah ykw

8 months to lose value

yeah im refunding my DLC tbh

[waxen jacinth]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/no-compromise-no-surrender-patch-notes.1868750/page-5#post-30914338

[deep solstice]

subcription is too good

[waxen jacinth]

Up vote

[lapis hemlock]

15$ for HOI4 is amazing. Especially for the value, like with mods and whatnot.

[waxen jacinth]

They killed hoi4 mp community

[zinc light]

especially considering that most players are casuals, peeking in once in a while or whenever a new DLC drops

[wicked haven]

dude the average time spent on this game is like 50,000 hours, that's essentially a free game atp

[bronze mango]

https://tenor.com/view/wedding-crasher-hro-gif-25636997

[waxen jacinth]

And made people pay for it

[zinc light]

get the sub for one month, have some fun, and save a ton of money along the way

[lapis hemlock]

Yeah

[silent root]

what

[deep solstice]

yeah thats kinda what I thought

but at the same time

[bronze mango]

Death of meta and death of multiplayer? This dlc truly is peak

[deep solstice]

it would be nice to just

have all the stuff

[golden jackal]

i mean, they kill the last of hoi mp community

[lapis hemlock]

If you're looking to try out the game the subscription for a month is also really good.

[mystic sand]

No mengjiang focus tree i want a refund

[deep solstice]

yeah I guess it depends whether I stay invested

[wicked haven]

oh wow, is this real

there's no way

[zinc light]

have all the stuff? in this time of days? ridiculous
you'll get your leases and be happy with it
(most developers reserve the rights to withdraw any services provided at any time)

[waxen jacinth]

Nerd tag, commie symbols in profile

[deep solstice]

Honestly, I wont be playing hoi4 in like a couple months

its inevitable to quit

so

tbh

[waxen jacinth]

Yes bro gj 8 HOURS a day of game

[zinc light]

yeah same here, I lost the fun in it by now

[wicked haven]

does it really ruin micro?

there's no way

[waxen jacinth]

yep. Just hop over any big hoi4 mp server

[oak mantle]

Ive never used it before and i micro fine

[wide mantle]

i just got 100 euros for my bday and i wanna spend it on some DLCs

[real minnow]

just watched latvia take over germany's faction

[waxen jacinth]

And look what they say about it

[bronze mango]

Erm ackchually it's the stranger things server tag

[fleet turtle]

how is the new dlc guys

[wide mantle]

I want as much DLCs for my money

[deep solstice]

I only have 250 hours, and a bunch more of the game to playthrough

[wicked haven]

the tag already informed me of this

[real minnow]

this gotta be ragebait

[deep solstice]

Its a tough decision

[grand wolf]

This has to be a bug

[deep solstice]

then again though

to play through every nation

[zinc light]

I got 215 hours now

[deep solstice]

ehhh

[rocky sedge]

It’s not it’s the way the factions work now iirc

[dusky burrow]

Check if you have things like allowdiplo or nocb on

[zinc light]

I dont see any appeal in that

[golden jackal]

and then, they kick you for doing too much tension xDDD

[deep solstice]

shits and giggles

[lapis hemlock]

I'm a fellow addict. Bought it a few months ago and already have 500 hours on it. (I have no idea how to use navy and how the supply system works still 😔)

[rocky sedge]

The factions are so broken

[real minnow]

its ironman

[dusky burrow]

Also if Latvia gets a lot of warscore it can totally do that

[real minnow]

no mods

[grand wolf]

Rip

[zinc light]

especially if you play the newer focus trees, like previously Germany and Italy, the older and more dated trees just dont bring any fun

[wide mantle]

What 2 DLCs should I not get from this list?I need to get rid of 30 bucks

[wicked haven]

NSB, BBA, GTD, AAT, LR imo, if you don't like germany/playing a major as much then AAT and GTD swap

[deep solstice]

I just dont know if I should refund them or not 😭

[rocky sedge]

The new dlc

[zinc light]

throw the 30 bucks at a homeless person, that's a more sound financial decision

[dusky burrow]

Latvia ftw

[deep solstice]

well you've gotta realize, most of these are on sale

[real minnow]

oh wait

thats lit

[wicked haven]

NSB for tanks, BBA for air, AAT for designers and spec ops, GTD for spec project and focuses, LR for spy agencies

[deep solstice]

so La Resistance + No Step + By Blood alone imo

[north spoke]

wait for winter sales

[waxen jacinth]

supply is railways (connection between your capital and the supply hubs/naval bases that provides your supply)

[dusky burrow]

That said you can take it back as Germany, or at least you should

[waxen jacinth]

Hope it helps

[real minnow]

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[wide mantle]

No step back , By blood alone , Arms against tyranny , La resistance and no compromise?

[wicked haven]

this honestly needs to change

[deep solstice]

Actually im NOT gonna refund my DLCs

im committed

big waste of $62 but im proud

[zinc light]

how to use the supply system
#1 make trucks
#2 set your field marshal to high supply priority

that's all you need

[zealous igloo]

Why? It makes sense

[dire trellis]

I bought the subscription and didnt get the dlc

Wtf

[real minnow]

latvia has like 0 warscore too

[dire trellis]

I got scammed

[grand wolf]

These Japanese missions are so atupid

[wicked haven]

no comp isn't as good for mechanics, if you like Japan and China it's good for focuses, NSB, BBA and AAT all add new mechanics and Sov, Ita/UK, Nord focuses

[dire trellis]

What do i do?

[golden jackal]

I find the fix for this DLC

[waxen jacinth]

Just refund

[mystic sand]

wake up babe, a new contination war in 1945 just dropped

[waxen jacinth]

And write a bad comment

[rocky sedge]

Wait can you refund dlc???

[waxen jacinth]

Yes

[golden jackal]

jup

[rocky sedge]

Getting my 25$ back

[lapis hemlock]

That actually explains a lot

[waxen jacinth]

Gj

[wicked haven]

in most scenarios yes but sometimes it can be incredibly dumb

[dire trellis]

Subscription tho

[wide mantle]

so wait , the factions rework isnt part of the DLC?

[wide mantle]

ok ts is goin in my cart

[wicked haven]

faction rework is not as important as the designers imo

NSB changes the game the most

[golden jackal]

Paradox brain cels are no part too

[wicked haven]

then BBA

[zealous igloo]

I guess. I mostly play MP and id say its a good thing there

[wide mantle]

yeah im 100% getting NSB

[waxen jacinth]

Don't forget to leave a bad comment

[deep solstice]

I decided not to refund my DLCs

[waxen jacinth]

Aswell

[mystic sand]

it pmo, i hate when i get a very nice historical campaign and then the soviets declare war on everyone, this just adds too it, smh

[wicked haven]

I haven't played NCNS yet so tbh I can't say if it's worth

[zinc light]

I like La Résistance but that's just me

[rocky sedge]

I think I was one of the first to review it

[wicked haven]

I like it too but it's quite niche comp

[deep solstice]

decided NOT to refund it

I dont wanna do any subscriptions

[wide mantle]

isnt the ship designer going to be in the main game?

[deep solstice]

Id rather just waste my money and play my game fr

[rocky sedge]

The man the guns one is

[real minnow]

bro i have to make my fleet go on patrol to get dominance

[wicked haven]

MTG is free so yes

[golden jackal]

prety much ye

[real minnow]

downfall of strike force

[lapis hemlock]

No compromise no surrender looks good

[wide mantle]

alr so im not getting man the guns

even though i want the USA focus tree

[wicked haven]

People are hating on it

[rocky sedge]

Unironically one of the main reasons I refunded it

[zinc light]

how da hell your strike force gonna engage anything while sitting in port

[rocky sedge]

It’s in base game anyway now

[lapis hemlock]

Oh why? I think it looks amazing

[zinc light]

"oh no, the japaense have ships in dock, we cant invade!"

[wicked haven]

coal, naval changes and Tannu Tuva mogging the USSR

[rocky sedge]

Half baked, everything’s broken

[wide mantle]

wait man the guns isnt the dlc that adds alt hist paths for UK?

[wicked haven]

BBA

[rocky sedge]

It is but they added it to the base game when this dlc came out

[golden jackal]

Tuva is the impostor xDDD

[real minnow]

are subs not enough for the devs anymore

[zinc light]

because it's new
people will complain because it adds to many new mechanics and micromanaging
people will complain because the new mechanics make the game too easy
no matter what you do, people will always complain

[wicked haven]

doesn't BBA add more UK paths or am I wrong

Imagine the UK gets an industrial tree

[lapis hemlock]

Oh, I do enjoy the new borders and changes with China in their focus tree

[wicked haven]

first industrialised nation
no industrial tree
ig they already did it all

[golden jackal]

EASY?????????????

[rocky sedge]

Think of the amount of coal Britain needs now

[lapis hemlock]

That's definitely true and has been for centuries

[misty fossil]

ncns is broken?

[wicked haven]

Stalin chose socialism in one country and the country is tannu tuva

[rocky sedge]

All paradox dlc nowadays are when they come out

[misty fossil]

i know that

[wicked haven]

all games atp

[misty fossil]

i mean

[zinc light]

bro you should've seen BioGenesis on release

[lapis hemlock]

Tannu Tuva is OP

[zinc light]

it was TERRIBLE

[rocky sedge]

Mine won’t be

[misty fossil]

i have

i stopped playing stellaris because of it tbh

[wicked haven]

civ vii crashed so hard

[golden jackal]

oh god

[wicked haven]

like generational failure

[zinc light]

based tbh

[golden jackal]

pleasy no

[misty fossil]

nah i just got bored

[wicked haven]

what did they do to it?

[misty fossil]

but i dont want to crawl through games with 5000000000 ships

[misty fossil]

not sure

[golden jackal]

unplayeble now

[misty fossil]

its still playable

its just too laggy

[rocky sedge]

4.0 broke it

[lapis hemlock]

I do want to stack up on dlcs

[wicked haven]

I want a paradox game where you start in EU V, get to hoi4, get to space age, get to stellaris, each world is a hoi4, etc

[zinc light]

released a Crisis Path that was utterly broken (your leviathan eggs could never hatch or multiply infinitely, as well as the Elder Voidspawn never spawning)
added a new Origin that was also completely broken and unplayable for a while
changed the ENTIRE PLANET TAB which also broke everything for a while

[silent root]

OH MY GOD

[wicked haven]

isn't the new origin being broken a standard thing

[zinc light]

I get it, it was the jump from 3.14159 (yes, pi) to 4.0 but at least make it playable

[wicked haven]

https://tenor.com/view/soviet-union-ussr-russia-edit-stalin-gif-12788253199345017565

[golden jackal]

166k??????

tf???

[zinc light]

nah, both Mindwardens and Endbringers are great
Shroudforged however...

[grand wolf]

Mmm communism

[silent root]

apparently tannu tuva lost twice its population

[deep solstice]

I have decided

[rocky sedge]

This is why they annexed tannu tuva, it was too powerful

[deep solstice]

I put in a refund request for my DLCs I bought

[golden jackal]

born again :DDD

[deep solstice]

but if they dont get refunded

idgaf

bc I picked the best DLCs anyways and they were on sale

[lapis hemlock]

MAJOR faction members: Tannu Tuva

[maiden gull]

Is it just me or ever since the the update nationalist Spain can never win

[wicked haven]

I hope you guys are overblowing this, I was so excited to play the new dlc

It's over ig

[zinc light]

yes, because it'll provide you a major headache to go past the urals and turkic steppes

[misty fossil]

pdx has been blowing every single new thing

[lapis hemlock]

I have had saves where Republican Spain wins

[mighty yoke]

its very mid

especially the navy

[zinc light]

nah, dont say that
if you wanna play it, play it. there's a lot of fun to b had, dont let others ruin it

[mighty yoke]

china is interesting now

[wicked haven]

If the naval aspect sucks that sort of ruins it

[mighty yoke]

at least thats good

[mighty yoke]

yeah

[rocky sedge]

Its interesting but not fun

There’s no coal in half of china so it’s so slow

[mighty yoke]

my point 🙂

[zinc light]

although if youre Japan, China has become even more of a pushover

[mighty yoke]

tbh i dont like the japanese ft

[rocky sedge]

and coal is basically impossible for smaller European countries to get

[zinc light]

there's no reason to make the trees as massive as they are

[wicked haven]

does italy have coal

[zinc light]

everything's bloated

[mighty yoke]

yeah at the stat it seemed a cool addition

but now i dont like it either

[mighty yoke]

exactly

[potent hatch]

the looming crisis would be such a cool mechanic if Japan didn't get a way to just ignore it

[fleet timber]

meh DLC is cool but not worth the price in my opinion

[rotund kelp]

So, I got the dlc but the Philippines still have a basic focus tree, could anyone explain please?

[lunar oracle]

inshallah the global communist party will liberate the hoi4 players that bought this dlc, $30 is a wallet wound for this

[mighty yoke]

thankfully i have the subscription

but i wouldnt buy it

[zinc light]

at least with germany, every focus, every conquest felt like an accomplishment
one step closer to the New World Order
with this one... "yeah buddy, invade indochina"

[fleet timber]

yeah using the subscription while you have a hoi4 addiction is probably the best thing to do now

[mighty yoke]

the only fun focus tree along side italy that is kinda big

[opal nymph]

Just got the DLC, time to play the 1939 start date

[mighty yoke]

yeah xD

[zinc light]

https://tenor.com/view/sadness-doctor-who-david-tennant-gif-15057650

[mighty yoke]

im not paying allat for a mid dlc

[rocky sedge]

also I feel like they messed themselves up because they’ll prolly have to update older trees to put coal as a reward for stuff

[mighty yoke]

ohh right

hadnt thought of that

[mild roost]

💀

[opal nymph]

Based

[mighty yoke]

does this honestly happen often?

[wicked haven]

this is like the 500th time this has happened

[zinc light]

so minors assuming faction leadership is a common occurence now?

[rocky sedge]

You ready for a 20$ dlc to add coal to European trees

[mighty yoke]

ive seen so many screenshots

[mild roost]

its my first time playing historical after the new dlc

[mighty yoke]

xD nahh

[twin snow]

I fixed the random inaccurate states in this region of china

[fleet timber]

im not surprised its mixed on steam though especially with it being nations they already did, they probably could of avoided some negative PR by just giving a discount to people who already owned waking the tiger

[lunar oracle]

i wish the community would band together and not buy any pdx content until they make good and fair priced content

[mighty yoke]

basically im gonna turn the dlc off from now on

[rocky sedge]

Just refund it atp

[mild roost]

i dont even have the dlc 😭

[lapis hemlock]

As they should

[zinc light]

my brother
you remember what we said about the switch 2?

[buoyant fractal]

this the greed they talk about in the bible 💔

[wicked haven]

when will they fix it?

[mighty yoke]

wait is the faction rework in base game?

[zinc light]

if Nintendo can pull off such a generational scam
Paradox can aswell

[wicked haven]

dude it's 33 USD here

[fleet timber]

other PDX games have a better DLC policy now for the most part

[lunar oracle]

I can't believe people bought that shit

[fleet timber]

HOI4 is still clinging onto the greed though

[blazing sun]

Nope it’s a dlc thing

[mighty yoke]

oh thank god

i was afraid i wont be able to do any more wcs xD

[wicked haven]

30USD to be forced to watch the ai battleplan to tannu tuva

[blazing sun]

I need someone to make a mod to get rid of the shitty max naval invasions thing

[rocky sedge]

The new factions are weird

[mighty yoke]

yeah honestly what was that all about?

[lunar oracle]

not even DLC policy it applies to games as well, they just throw slop at these games until a modder or the some devs get around to releasing 'patches'

[zinc light]

https://tenor.com/view/gamedesign-shimtex-meme-shimtex-meme-gamedesign-video-gif-16295948

[full jewel]

Question what do the base game people get?

[mighty yoke]

why limit it even more?

[zinc light]

they get shit on

[wicked haven]

is coal base game now?

[twin snow]

heres another state map to kinda compare it to, I mainly just fixed hubei, shaanxi and anhui

[buoyant fractal]

like how tf you gonna make a dlc 60% the price of the main game when half that price is actually barely worth it

[mighty yoke]

i think so

i hope i am wrong

[lunar oracle]

a loaded bank account

[fleet timber]

tbf out of the PDX games I play HOI4 has the middest updates and DLC

[blazing sun]

The “make the game as shit as possible so we can magically improve it so everyone will recommend it again”

[rocky sedge]

I was playing as a warlord, I took china, Norway invited me to the northern defence faction, then half a minute later they disbanded the faction and joined the Danubian federation along with everyone in the northern defence faction 😭

[mystic sand]

Coal has always been base game

[mighty yoke]

hahahah

[blazing sun]

10/10 gaslight

[lunar oracle]

still every PDX game has had it's absolute disaster of an update/dlc

[deep solstice]

wow I have so many choices

this is lovely

[zinc light]

yeah thats getting ridiculous

[mighty yoke]

it seems to me that lately pdx is doing their games over bad

[fleet timber]

yeah but not as frequent as HOI4

[twin snow]

I can't believe paradox was the bay harbor publisher

[mighty yoke]

the stellaris planet rework was terrible

[blazing sun]

Does anybody actually use this screen?

[deep solstice]

honestly for $62 I feel like it was worth it

[mighty yoke]

the new dlc for hoi4 is mid

[fleet timber]

tbf I dont play stellaris so i know nothing about it

[mighty yoke]

idk why

[wicked haven]

EU V is also quite bad

[rocky sedge]

Paradox dropped city skylines 2 so they need the money from hoi4 to make uk from lost revenue fr

[wicked haven]

wrt late game being unplayable

[mighty yoke]

yeah what is goingon?

[opal nymph]

They already goofed the 1939 start date. That's the wrong prime minister

[rocky sedge]

They don’t touch it

[zinc light]

CS2 still one of the worst releases to date

[opal nymph]

Yeah, different leader

[rocky sedge]

True

[fleet timber]

i think we can just say is the worst

CS2 hasnt even recovered yet and its been 2 years

[deep solstice]

What should my first run with all the DLCs I bought be?

Im thinking austria

[rocky sedge]

That’s why a different company is developing it now

[zinc light]

I've only been following Paradox for a few years, no clue how the previous CK/HOI/EU titles were

[mighty yoke]

germany

[wicked haven]

Paul Reynaud looks like an alien atp

[full jewel]

oh base game china has no extra content

[zinc light]

so I was cautious with my wording

[lunar oracle]

either way it just shows how blatantly lazy and greedy this company is, they saw steady popularity and are screwing it up

[mighty yoke]

thats the point of a dlc, to add content

[bright arrow]

Italy right now seems to wreck in the med for some reason

[silent root]

IS THIS MAGIC?

[fleet timber]

well most PDX games have had mid releases, but CS2 was worse than mid, it was just terrible

[full jewel]

yea but I thought they did base game additions

[wicked haven]

https://tenor.com/view/mussolini-chad-gif-1828092016728334367

[rocky sedge]

It’s so ass now

[bright arrow]

Blood water

[zinc light]

yeah okay, that's very true

[mighty yoke]

honestly, thankfully not

[silent root]

italy soo bad PDX had to buff them so they are usefull

[full jewel]

why thankfully?

[fleet timber]

Going from like 20-30k daily active players on CS1 to like 6K on CS2 is a fall off and a half

[mighty yoke]

yeah why remove the green naval supremacy?

[zinc light]

I remember wrapping up my CS1 city, it was massive with several hudnreds of thousand people, an international airport (fully customized and managed), a major industrial complex
and then... CS2 dropped

[mighty yoke]

it felt like an achievement

sort of

[mighty yoke]

cause the dlc is mid to terrible

for me at least

[blazing sun]

I thought y’all were talking about counterstrike 2 for a second 💀

[full jewel]

fair enough I just want more content for basegame since I aint spending 200+ on it

[wicked haven]

how is italy winning the med with no oil and no coal

[mighty yoke]

there's a subscription you can get

$15 for 3 months i think

[zinc light]

exploit Albanian Oil 🥀

[blazing sun]

Because they made the trains run on time

[mighty yoke]

you get all the dlcs

[lunar oracle]

this game is nowhere near being worth 200 dollars are just dlc

[wicked haven]

By Albania alone

[full jewel]

Screw that I hate subscriptions

[wicked haven]

when does the balkan rework land

[full jewel]

Australian currency difference

[mighty yoke]

ever heard of the albanian oil fields?

[opal nymph]

NOOOOOOOOO THEY STILL DIDN'T GIVE THEM 1936 GUNS AT GAME START IN 1939

[blazing sun]

Glorious albania carries the axis, as it was written

[bright arrow]

japan actually does pearl harbour now

[lunar oracle]

I paid arround the same in usd

[mighty yoke]

it gives some nice bonuses to navy

but who plays navy now?

[blazing sun]

I’ve paid more like 400 aud

[zinc light]

who plays navy NOW?
who has played Navy BEFORE, thats my question

[wicked haven]

can the US decl without it?

[mighty yoke]

i loved navy before

[full jewel]

Im just estimating based on how many dlc there are then the average cost since theres like 10 dlc that are around like $25

[mighty yoke]

almost the sole reason i played hoi4 atp

[blazing sun]

Like 2 and a half people

[mighty yoke]

xD

[deep solstice]

why does my game keep crashing 😭

[zinc light]

2 1/2 people, and tis oen's one of them

[deep solstice]

this is frying me

[lapis hemlock]

Yeah I have idea how to use Navy

[mighty yoke]

its pretty easy honestly

at least it was

[blazing sun]

How to use navy:
Play the uk or US,
doom stack on one sea tile
Win

[versed rapids]

I just defeated china in 1937

Holy

[mighty yoke]

yeah its fairly easy

[blazing sun]

Another day another banger

[mighty yoke]

300 unequiped divisions

[versed rapids]

Japan is literally the most op country rn imo

[vagrant solstice]

is anyone else's game just like insanely bright in the army mapmode but normal in the intelligence mapmode

[blazing sun]

Is the stupid naval invasions function base game too?

[wicked haven]

the IJN watching 400 ships from annexed countries sailing without a doctrine straight towards the home islands on support naval invasion

[vagrant solstice]

(this is what its supposed to look like)

[mighty yoke]

idk

[blazing sun]

Probably incompatibility with your graphics mod

[lapis hemlock]

I conquered the world with this knowledge

[bright arrow]

Where is the new Warsaw pact focus we were promised?

[versed rapids]

Also is it just me or is historical path impossible? The focuses take way too long

[zinc light]

how to play Navy:
dont, just Paradrop

[blazing sun]

I ate it (lazy paradox moment)

[blazing sun]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[mighty yoke]

paradroping feels so cheap to me for some reason

i cant fight the uk and not naval invade them

[mystic sand]

Not a gaslight, the game has just always been coal

[sharp sierra]

sceamce

[blazing sun]

That’s… fair

[wicked haven]

is this real?

[lilac lance]

NOT used to seeing the top of canada and alaska

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/praying-crying-downfall-sad-tears-praying-gif-6126039898862808572

[mighty yoke]

hell nahh thats terrible

[blazing sun]

I might actually detonate

[mighty yoke]

wait did they add this?

[wicked haven]

there's no way right?

[novel otter]

i just finished my war with japan in 1946 WTF

[lapis hemlock]

I'm not even sure how to paradrop solder's

(I've got 500 hours in it and only got it 6 months ago)

[wide mantle]

is the ultimate bundle worth it?

[wicked haven]

95% of this game is panzer micro

[lilac lance]

had this bug and some others earlier theres def an issue with how the map colors get displayed

[blazing sun]

In my 2000 hours of hoi4, I have never built a tank division

[mighty yoke]

basically dont buy anything that has nsnc

[novel otter]

No unless you care about cosmetics/skins. The only thing worth grabbing is the focus DLC

[lilac lance]

do you just spectate the ai or what

[mighty yoke]

damn

thats some dedication right there

[sharp sierra]

special forces are prob just better and more convenient to use in the normal game

[blazing sun]

Nah I just build 9-1s

[novel otter]

let me guess, too much work and you're lazy right?

[wicked haven]

if you will play everything, major and minor nations and value all of the dlc mechanics, if you don't play smaller nations and majors equally then no imo

[blazing sun]

Nah I just build inf and micro

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-christian-bale-business-gif-13484994

[novel otter]

i see im lazy so i dont build tanks lo

[wicked haven]

NSB, BBA, MTG, AAT, GTD and LA are the most needed

Infantry is fun as well

[lapis hemlock]

I still use the template units

[potent hatch]

marco polo event makes offering concessions so god damn pointless

[blazing sun]

I’m not lazy but every time I have a tank I forget it exists

[mighty yoke]

meanwhile i design everything possible

[blazing sun]

I design planes. I have never designed a ship nor a tank

[mighty yoke]

really?

[blazing sun]

Actually this isn’t true

[mighty yoke]

not even a destroyer

[viscid coyote]

Was coal unnecessary

[blazing sun]

I have designed a sub before MTG

[mighty yoke]

yes

[wicked haven]

what nations do you play most?

[mighty yoke]

damn man

[lapis hemlock]

You can design?

[viscid coyote]

Yay someone agrees

[blazing sun]

My most played nation is the uk

[vital patrol]

Liberia jusg joined the allies and took control of it 😭😭😭

[mighty yoke]

at the begining i liked it

[viscid coyote]

Noice

[blazing sun]

And second is france

[viscid coyote]

It just seems unnecessary

[mighty yoke]

prob italy or germany

[blazing sun]

Third is ussr

[wicked haven]

makes sense tbh

[viscid coyote]

Like why do we need coal when we have oil?

[mighty yoke]

i liked the thought of it

[wicked haven]

I mostly do Italy, Germany or France

[mighty yoke]

but almost every minor will have a problem

[mighty yoke]

oh france too

[lapis hemlock]

I play France, Germany and USSR the most

[viscid coyote]

Yeah Imagine doing a warlord china run

Or Belgium

[zinc light]

to make Steel

[blazing sun]

Finland 💀

[mighty yoke]

yeah its terrible

[viscid coyote]

Ohhhhh

[viscid coyote]

Sweden

[mighty yoke]

or even aurtria

[viscid coyote]

How are we gonna make Nokias now?

[mighty yoke]

sweden is good imo

[viscid coyote]

Oh lol

[viscid coyote]

Germany too

[zinc light]

lemme elaborate briefly
you put pure iron into a kiln, and fire it with only coal
that way, the carbon will bind to the iron and make steel

[mystic sand]

Its okay chat, Yan Xishan still looks like hes holding in a fart in his portrait

[mighty yoke]

yeah

germany is always good

[blazing sun]

What are we? What are our hearts of iron for?

[lapis hemlock]

I have a save in WW1 Redux with Sweden and honestly, they pretty good

[zinc light]

if you were to use oil or even wood for it, it would end up inpure and brittle

[lilac lance]

tbh i think it added some necessary depth to construction

they didnt do it in an annoying or trash way like millenium dawn either

[viscid coyote]

Btw guys

Is hoi4 banned in China?

[mighty yoke]

sweden is always good imo

[lapis hemlock]

To make blood alone

[wicked haven]

Has coal hit germany more than others?

[viscid coyote]

Like if I take my computer into China will I can’t play it?

[mighty yoke]

early game nah

[viscid coyote]

No Germany has substantial coal reserves

[blazing sun]

So you’d better man the guns

[lilac lance]

you can bring a computer into china and play

[mighty yoke]

but late game prob

[wicked haven]

lmao so it's literally pointless

[viscid coyote]

Ok yay

[zinc light]

germany had and still has substantial coal reserves

[lapis hemlock]

No compromise no surrender boys!

[mighty yoke]

unless you play against ai and germany is your enemy

[wicked haven]

the only reason I could see coal being needed is to slow germany down a bit early

[viscid coyote]

No Germany has all the coal it needs

[mighty yoke]

ofc there are gonna be some setbacks for ai

but for players its not gonna be a problem

[wicked haven]

ye but what I mean is that if germany has coal the german ai won't be affected

[mighty yoke]

its mostly for huge industries

and germany early game has just a large one

take 1944 germany for example

[viscid coyote]

Really?

[mighty yoke]

it limits the use of civs

[viscid coyote]

Actually I always throw Germany into a civil war that’s why I don’t ah e a good industry

[blazing sun]

Say that again?

[viscid coyote]

Oh yeah mefo bills

[wicked haven]

do you go PEG or MEFO?

[viscid coyote]

Nah I like Germany civil war better tho

[mighty yoke]

depends

[viscid coyote]

PEG

[mighty yoke]

if i go unhistorical then peg

otherwise mefo

[lapis hemlock]

No Compromise, No Surrender!

[wicked haven]

do mefo and immediately cancel, use price controls and you get more imo

[plucky sedge]

WTF WHY IS THE DLC $80

[mighty yoke]

i dont like cheesing honestly

[real minnow]

we love the new dlc!

[wicked haven]

fair

[mighty yoke]

but it is a pretty common strat

[plucky sedge]

WHY WHY WHY IS IT SO EXPENSIVE

[mighty yoke]

ah yes the great ugandan empire

[mystic latch]

when it says track for the achievement what does it mean

[tulip thorn]

I havent done much as japan

But I have got a shit ton of agents

[real minnow]

they all have a max of like 20 divisions each btw

[deep smelt]

New dlc is dogshit

[mighty yoke]

1945 too 😭

[mighty yoke]

yeah

[mystic latch]

$32.66

perhaps a little different in the states

[blazing sun]

42 for us aussies

[real minnow]

expansion pass is a whole 50 bucks for me

[plucky sedge]

$50NZD which is around $80USD

[mighty yoke]

expansion pass isnt nsnc

[plucky sedge]

this cannot be right

[deep smelt]

They f***ed up the whole meta

[mighty yoke]

it will include many dlcs to come

[mystic latch]

yeah but that is the expansion pass it includes 2 more DLCs and some cosmetics

[plucky sedge]

for just the dlc, not the pass

[deep smelt]

Listen, its not about the price

[mighty yoke]

the dlc on its own is 30 bucks

[deep smelt]

Is about the horrible jap tree

[grand wolf]

I feel like mobile infantry is the best for gbp since it gives 40 org

[blazing sun]

It’s 30 USD

[deep smelt]

And unbalansed things

[real minnow]

the dlc is 30 bucks for me

[wicked haven]

the price and the fact that the factions and navy are screwed up is quite disappointing

[heady bison]

why is it bad

[real minnow]

I swear earlier it was 25

[mystic latch]

?

[plucky sedge]

wait

[bright arrow]

30€ for Warsaw Pact is not good

[edgy lynx]

how do y’all make good early divisions I can never seem to make strong line piercers for fast encirclements until motorized and heavy tanks are made

[heady bison]

How is the navy screwed up

[plucky sedge]

i might be cooked

💀

okay we chilling

idk what i did

[wicked haven]

strike force

[heady bison]

cant really encircle with infantry unless its a major vs a minor or you stack on brigades and artillery

[mighty yoke]

Basically they redid naval supremacy into this weird ahh thing

[heady bison]

build up sea tile dominance?

[mighty yoke]

Yeah

Which sounds good

But isn’t

[mystic latch]

britain will now get ridiculous war score from the fighting navy warscore buff

[real minnow]

just have your entire fleet on patrol

thats the only way my sh worked

[blazing sun]

Total Pommy victory

[silent root]

GUYS

[mighty yoke]

Yeah like it removes the whole fun of navies

[blazing sun]

Okay nevermind, this dlc is peak

[mystic latch]

true

[robust pewter]

ive been playing the new dlc for a little while it seems pretty fun

[wicked haven]

how

[robust pewter]

i love the new navy and faction stuff

[mystic latch]

what

[mighty yoke]

Nahh

[wicked haven]

balkan rage dlc

[mighty yoke]

Navy is cooked man

[robust pewter]

nah

[mystic latch]

every country can now get 5% recruitable population from any doctrine

[robust pewter]

i think it shoulda been in the base game instead of dlc but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[robust pewter]

oh dang

[mighty yoke]

Thankfully it isn’t

I can still play with my good old navy

[wicked haven]

is this better or worse than man the guns?

[real minnow]

usa rework when

[robust pewter]

from someone who tries to make my games as historical as possible and sort of roleplay, better

but mtg is prob better for other players

i like the new naval headquarters and strategic islands and stuff

[mighty yoke]

Nah that’s fun

The other stuff I don’t like though

They made strike force basically useless

[robust pewter]

the home base?

and dominance?

[wicked haven]

what about the factions being stolen by minors, I really don't like the look of that

[blazing sun]

In 2 hours

[mighty yoke]

Nah nah that’s ok too

[mighty yoke]

This one I dislike

[robust pewter]

yeah that’s

interesting

it’ll prob be patched to prevent tannu tuva from leading comintern hopefully

[robust pewter]

understandable

[wicked haven]

I do like that naval isn't just gathering your entire fleet into one group and sailing it around the world, that seems better in theory

[mighty yoke]

I get why people like it

[lost hemlock]

money

[blazing sun]

Can finally get that bum ahh achievement

[mighty yoke]

But for me who has spent many hours just playing naval play through sit seems a bit rough as a change

[tulip thorn]

Same here

[barren coyote]

I am not used to this new UI:

[mighty yoke]

But it wasn’t like that if you knew what you were doing

[tulip thorn]

The faction stuff is awesome

and I like the ui changes

[robust pewter]

New ui is gonna take a min to get used to but I like it

[gilded cobalt]

So, how big of a deal is coal

Is it hard with Japan

[mighty yoke]

You could destroy the whole Brit fleet with 25 ships

[gilded cobalt]

I wanna play Japan for my first one

[robust pewter]

Decently

[gilded cobalt]

Maybe a bad idea

[wicked haven]

ye but it shouldn't work at all, it is goofy that it's possible

[oak mantle]

Yo this japan focus tree is so confusing

[gilded cobalt]

Definitely not doing an ironman run first time around

[oak mantle]

Where do i even get the war goal on china

[blazing sun]

Be warned, it’s really easy

[oak mantle]

Nvm

[blazing sun]

Decisions tab

[mighty yoke]

I get that and yeah you’re kinda right

[gilded cobalt]

yeah this is the problem when they do an update like this

Im sure theyll balance it out

[blazing sun]

Yeah

[gilded cobalt]

But when GDR came out, the Nazis swept the floor with the USSR every time

[oak mantle]

They also nerfed germany into the ground

[blazing sun]

Wouldn’t be too worried about ironman

[gilded cobalt]

Until they fixed it

[gilded cobalt]

They needed to do that

Germany was belting Russia's ass every damn game

[mighty yoke]

But on the other hand think of it as Macedon’s phalanx against the Persians. It shows that quality always wins over quantity

[oak mantle]

No like they get a resistance target of 35 no matter what

[ornate gorge]

Italian civil war makes my commie china game crash

[oak mantle]

And there are ways of countries getting it even higher

[gilded cobalt]

Tbf, historically accurate, people did not like being ruled by Nazis

[wicked haven]

Is Japan op now? I think I'll actually play it

[blazing sun]

I think they should chop off germany’s legs and arms and then give them -10000000000% factory output

[mighty yoke]

Yes

[gilded cobalt]

It should not be easy for you to get compliance as a fascist empire trying to subjugate all of Europe

[mighty yoke]

But not fun

[wicked haven]

how come?

[gilded cobalt]

Historically accurate Third Reich

[mighty yoke]

They still would somehow come out on top 😂

[gilded cobalt]

It's kinda crazy how much of Hitler getting as far as he did was blind luck

[blazing sun]

Yeah

[mighty yoke]

Too much going on in the ft

[gilded cobalt]

A lot of pop history about WW2 Germany would fit in a speech by Goebbels

[blazing sun]

If Czechoslovakia hadn’t given up the sudetenland germany would’ve been cooked

[wicked haven]

Germany is still a great nation to play and prob the best overall by far

[gilded cobalt]

The one thing I really liked about GDR was the historical econ branch because it really represents how much of a literal racket Germany's economy was

[wicked haven]

braindead fun, build a massive econ in 2 years and steam roll everything

[mighty yoke]

I believe they would have found other ways around that without triggering a war unlike how they did it with Poland

[gilded cobalt]

It's easy in singleplayer, in multiplayer it can be quite difficult since you're at a major material disadvantage to Allied players

[wicked haven]

one eyed Eva Braun:

[oak mantle]

Lol you can rush china war even quicker now

Dubsss

[gilded cobalt]

They would have been cooked

[blazing sun]

Elite ball knowledge required

[gilded cobalt]

France and Czechoslovakia each had 1.5 million men mobilized

Germany didn't have a single full strength panzer division

[oak mantle]

And they cant even build up early war cause the debuff japan got from in initially declaring war is gone

[blazing sun]

Yeh

[oak mantle]

Steam roll china before 37 strat

[gilded cobalt]

The issue was that neither wanted to fight without the UK, and Britain was NOT ready in 1938

[mighty yoke]

They didn’t rely on numbers though

[blazing sun]

The myth of german mechanization is funny, given they were still using horse drawn carts in poland

[barren coyote]

They also changed this:

[wicked haven]

true but you still instigate and can mostly roll early

[gilded cobalt]

They kinda did, the German Army in 1939 was a lot bigger than 1938

Also Blitzkrieg doesn't work against fortified mountains

There is no Belgium to go around

[mighty yoke]

But honestly all this if and if talk isn’t probable because that would mean us changing the mindset of the civilians who voted for their respective presidents

[blazing sun]

Only avenue I see is through hungary

[gilded cobalt]

The Czechoslovak army would have turned Hitler's panzers into a scrap heap

[silent root]

I just saw germany get 8m losses by USSR

[gilded cobalt]

Hungary would not get involved

[blazing sun]

But they wouldn’t have let german troops in until they had the promise of south sudetenland

[silent root]

USSrR was winning in operation barbarossa

[blazing sun]

Yeah affirm

[wicked haven]

it's quite interesting that Germany didn't start war econ until about 41/42 comp to UK and USSR

[gilded cobalt]

For a bit of context.
Admiral Horthy only joined the Axis because

1. He had just saw Hitler deck the French Army
2. Hitler threatened him with invasion if he didn't

Same with Romania for that matter

[blazing sun]

Well they didn’t need it, they had already done it through embezzlement and gambling

[mighty yoke]

Operation Barbarossa was just the surprise attack which was in Germany’s favor 100%

[wicked haven]

Mussolini joining the war bc he thought it would be over in months

[tulip thorn]

The new doctrine stuff is also really cool

[mighty yoke]

The ussr had its troops scrambled around Siberia

[gilded cobalt]

In a war over the Sudetenland it's far more likely Hungary stays neutral, perhaps in exchange for Hungarian-inhabited parts of Slovakia, while Romania and Poland probably join the Allies

[edgy wedge]

what is the historical path for yapan?

[blazing sun]

Barbarossa was untenable, their war goal was to push them to the urals

[mighty yoke]

So in no way did the soviets win in Barbarossa

[gilded cobalt]

Mussolini did not intend to join the war in 1940, he only joined when he did because as you said he thought the war would be over soon

[blazing sun]

Which just would have resulted in an unsustainable forever war

[gilded cobalt]

He joined not long before France capitulated

[mighty yoke]

Yes that’s why the war with the ussr would always be a losing game

[gilded cobalt]

In a scenario where Hitler is facing a 2 front war against the Czechoslovaks and French, even without the UK, he would stay out of it

[wicked haven]

need what? it's pretty reasonable to suggest that war econ would have given germany a significant number of ground and air production. Goering also massively ruined the air force

[blazing sun]

Didn’t he join after? Given he was meant to be the mediator between the uk and germany?

[gilded cobalt]

Yep

[wicked haven]

ye he was a complete moron

[gilded cobalt]

Mussolini was a doofus. He could have stayed neutral and probably survived

[mighty yoke]

2 weeks before France fell

[blazing sun]

Yeah true

[mighty yoke]

Yeah

[wicked haven]

He built a state around glazing himself and then lost his entire army in one campaign

[blazing sun]

B-but glorious roman egypt!

[gilded cobalt]

Mussolini was the ultimate aura farmer

[mighty yoke]

Attacking Greece with ww1 equipment and not much of it either was probably the dumbest move after hitlers attack in the ussr

[gilded cobalt]

Keep in mind this guy couldn't take GREECE without Hitler saving his ass

I think Germany might have had a better chance at winning with Italy joining the Allies

[dusky burrow]

Why didn't Mussolini use 32.4-width mountaineers 😭

[mighty yoke]

Hahahaha 😂

[blazing sun]

True!

[gilded cobalt]

Not enough army XP

[mighty yoke]

Didn’t know the meta

[wicked haven]

Me when I declare a formal war on the UK and France instead of striking Alexandria (I am very sigma)

[gilded cobalt]

he also had a national spirit that made doctrine cost +1000%
(only promote old farts who like fascism)

[oak mantle]

Dont diss mussolini he was very tuff and didnt have a double chin

[blazing sun]

Top 10 ways to win:
lose

[sick pecan]

Does anyone know how I can get the “army and navy faction at equilibrium” to proceed down hirohito’s path for Japan?

[gilded cobalt]

Mussolini showing off his army before WW2

[wicked haven]

if Italy remained indie they probably would have extended the war longer

[oak mantle]

Mussolinis build reminds me of the average hoi4 playhers build

[uneven jetty]

beautiful chin

[mighty yoke]

The nuke would have landed in Berlin though

[onyx hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/mussolini-chad-gif-1828092016728334367

[mighty yoke]

And Japan would probably make their own

[blazing sun]

Bald?

[mighty yoke]

Seeing as that happened to Germany

[oak mantle]

Yeah sure

[uneven jetty]

closeted homosexual****

[wicked haven]

Would the US join?

[blazing sun]

Are you calling me obese my good fellow?

[gilded cobalt]

You know what Germany should have done differently in WW2?
Surrender to the Western Allies after D-Day instead of letting the Soviets invade their territory lol

[wicked haven]

idk atp it's alt history

[gilded cobalt]

They had zero shot

[blazing sun]

Hey i’m not closeted

[mighty yoke]

The us had already joined by that point

[onyx hinge]

so when’s us update?

[gilded cobalt]

Germany might have avoided losing 1/3 of its territory then

[blazing sun]

In hoi5

[oak mantle]

Mussolini was 100% a femboy

[gilded cobalt]

Can we not

[oak mantle]

Check his closet

[uneven jetty]

but the battle of the bulge was 1000% easy win

[oak mantle]

Definitely got some skirts lying about

[gilded cobalt]

It actually wasn't

[dusky burrow]

They wouldn't have been able to tbh

[uneven jetty]

even steiner counterattack was doable

they could have won in april 1945

[gilded cobalt]

Valkyrie succeeding may have split the Allies

[blazing sun]

Catboy*

[tired crypt]

paradox made a funny mistake

japan has the ncns path for historical, factories, and army

[wicked haven]

It's interesting how close the Germans came to taking the USSR, honestly the most interesting front of the entire war

[gilded cobalt]

It's likely in that scenario we see a hot war between the new German regime and western Allies vs the USSR though

[mighty yoke]

Any counter attack was pointless at that stage of the war

[oak mantle]

I see it

[uneven jetty]

if only they weren't stabbed in the back by evil austrians

[onyx hinge]

paradox will make up new countries to give focus trees before working on the us

[blazing sun]

Unlikely, staffenburg was still a nazi

[dusky burrow]

Perhaps, but still the Western Allies would see any overtures of peace as cynical, plus you know the Soviets were still their allies

[gilded cobalt]

Maybe that's for the best, best ending is Germany surrenders to the Western Allies, which sparks a west-Soviet war that the west wins

[mighty yoke]

What hitler should’ve done to secure a white peace with the allies was close the Dunkirk pocket but not kill the soldiers

[gilded cobalt]

No Hitler no Stalin

[wicked haven]

Steiner will hold them off

[mighty yoke]

This would give him leverage

[blazing sun]

Listenbourg my beloved

[gilded cobalt]

No guarantee that even changes anything

[mighty yoke]

For the soviets to come even faster?

[wicked haven]

dude the west isn't winning against the USSR

[blazing sun]

300k pows would have ended the war yeah

[gilded cobalt]

Soviets only survived with western lend lease

[onyx hinge]

to bad paradox haven’t fixed the feature yet

[mighty yoke]

No guarantee but it’s the most probable alt history scenario

[gilded cobalt]

They would have the initial advantage but the West wins a long war

[blazing sun]

Glorious new zealand could win

[mighty yoke]

Yes

[gilded cobalt]

The USSR was devastated by the Nazis

[uneven jetty]

assuming a long war is doable

[wicked haven]

the USSR was fighting 80% of the Wehrmacht and smashed it to pieces, the USSR had the material atp from lend lease

[mighty yoke]

They would never cap honestly

[gilded cobalt]

Yeah and what happens when that material runs out

[mighty yoke]

So they would never lose the war either

[wicked haven]

lets give the devi his due

[gilded cobalt]

and no the Allies probably dont march all the way to Moscow

they dont have to

[uneven jetty]

americans didnt really want to fight soviets tho

[gilded cobalt]

Shame they didn't

[uneven jetty]

only churchill was tweaking

[gilded cobalt]

Only half of Europe was freed, the other half spent 40 years in communist slavery

[mighty yoke]

Churchill was kinda right though

[gilded cobalt]

He was

[onyx hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/movies-patton-murica-america-flag-gif-3472962

[uneven jetty]

talkin about some operation unthinkable

[gilded cobalt]

Stalin was no better

[wicked haven]

the USSR had the largest and most experinced army in Europe atp, it's just a fact, I'm not a fan of the USSR

[broken sky]

Bulk in 1943, by the way

[mighty yoke]

Stalin would be even worse in the long run as we saw

[broken sky]

Though, the Studebaker and food WERE the most important

[wicked haven]

No one thinks stalin was better

[blazing sun]

The difference you have to notice is that fighting germany was against a fascist genocidal dictatorship that was actively destroying your population. So much so that the resistance groups in ukraine and the baltic started helping the ussr out. Meanwhile if the allies did it, it’d be a very different story

[gilded cobalt]

The Soviet Navy also couldn't compete

the Allies could starve out the USSR

[broken sky]

Since Western Russia had been overrun (and Ukraine), meaning most grain repositories were occupied

[gilded cobalt]

keep in mind the USSR had a minor famine after the war IRL, allied food supplies prevented a larger famine

[broken sky]

Soviet Navy is not a domination-based fleet

[blazing sun]

Also the usa had a larger population, industrial, science and more reach than the ussr

[broken sky]

It is built for coastal defense

[gilded cobalt]

The Allies would be able to blockade them

[oak mantle]

Can we add wind mills instead of coal so hitler doesnt have to hurt the enviroment with his war crimes

[uneven jetty]

based and SPAMpilled

[broken sky]

And after GPW, deterrence

[gilded cobalt]

Also no, it wouldn't stand a remote chance

[mighty yoke]

And before the war

Two great famines

[gilded cobalt]

Even coastal defense

Allies would have complete control of the seas

[mighty yoke]

Close to 3m total casualties if I am right

[broken sky]

Because the USSR was a semi-autarkic state, so much of it did not need outside imports

[gilded cobalt]

The Red Navy was not a first-rate Navy until the 1960s

[blazing sun]

Not even counting a newly reliberated france, a violently anti communist german army remnant and the uk

[wicked haven]

to a degree sure but the reason the soviets won was due to competence in large scale warfare more so than anything else

[gilded cobalt]

that's really not true

And autarchy is not good

[uneven jetty]

holodomor was man made

[gilded cobalt]

Just ask Hitler

[blazing sun]

This is true

[broken sky]

That's why I said semi-autarkic

[wicked haven]

okay lets not do this

[gilded cobalt]

no it's not a debate dude

it was objectively man made

[mighty yoke]

Man made or not it killed and displeased many

[blazing sun]

True, but most of it’s income was and still is reliant on exports

[broken sky]

Geez, you guys are arguing about shit topics with zero sources

[wicked haven]

yes but it's not really a great topic

[gilded cobalt]

Like zero debate around the holodomor it's the same as denying any other ww2 atrocity

[blazing sun]

It came to me in a dream

[broken sky]

Just honestly stop it because you all are throwing around accusations with no meat

[uneven jetty]

not gonna say its bad or good but its true. it did save the soviets tbh

[broken sky]

Same

[uneven jetty]

export grain for industry

[gilded cobalt]

Lend lease did

No the Soviet famine was not good for them in 1933

[mighty yoke]

In this age of history the only recorded facts are the ones that they wanted to be recorded

[wicked haven]

holodomor was a crime against humanity and I don't really want to talk about that

[blazing sun]

🥰

[gilded cobalt]

Ukraine was their most productive region, mass starvation did NOT help it

[mighty yoke]

You can’t know for sure

[mighty yoke]

Yes

[gilded cobalt]

The Ukraine was the most economically vital region of the USSR for its entire existence

[oak mantle]

ABC if youre a femboy (Safe space)

[gilded cobalt]

Both for industry and food

[mighty yoke]

Basically Ukraine and the baltics fed the entirety of the ussr

[wicked haven]

ye but this subject is bordering modern parallels

[oak mantle]

Liars

[gilded cobalt]

Kiev was a city equal in stature to Moscow and Leningrad

[uneven jetty]

how dare you insult tajiksistan the most greatest soviet republic

[gilded cobalt]

It was why the Soviets were so dependent on lend lease after losing much of it

[oak mantle]

Wait he has a point

[broken sky]

Central Asia is ze best

[oak mantle]

What about uzbekistan

[blazing sun]

Ukraine was the third most important country in the soviet union, if not second

[broken sky]

Kyrgyz, Azeri, Tajik, and Uzbek

💅

[blazing sun]

With azerbaijan a close 2/3

[uneven jetty]

second ye

russia ofc 1

[oak mantle]

Not true

[uneven jetty]

cuz like 80% of the ppl

after that came ukraine

[dusky burrow]

Okay wow rangers aren't that worth it tbh

[oak mantle]

Uzbekistan was so obviously the most important

[gilded cobalt]

Okay time to try the new update

BANZAIIIIII

[broken sky]

Of course, most of the industry were in Petrograd and Moscow

[gilded cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/banzai-hachimaki-gif-20023547

[uneven jetty]

till 1942

then it was in the uralos

[mighty yoke]

Basically Russia and Ukraine were one up until that point

[broken sky]

Urals evacuation

[gilded cobalt]

Actually not really, most of it was in Ukraine

[green magnet]

am i buggin or man the guns free now??

[gilded cobalt]

Kharkov, Donbass, Kiev were big industrial centers

[broken sky]

1,500 factories dismantled and to the Urals

[mighty yoke]

In the Russian empire there was no difference between the two peoples

[gilded cobalt]

Out of anything the USSR did in the war, the relocation of industry was really the most impressive

[mighty yoke]

That changed when I collapsed

[uneven jetty]

hn

[mighty yoke]

That was truly miraculous

[uneven jetty]

u had like 1000 revolts daily

[wicked haven]

Bagration too

[broken sky]

What, no?

[mighty yoke]

Gotta respect them for that

[bright arrow]

Is free

[wicked haven]

Bagration was possibly the most impressive offensive of wwii