hoi4-general

[eternal palm]

Born in 05 it was weird

[dawn mango]

lmao

[pastel urchin]

NEED THAT MAP MOD

NOW

PLEASE

[tulip thorn]

Its just fps map

with sensible font

[heavy arch]

fps map is so overrated, why do people love it so much?

[pastel urchin]

Will it disable my achievments?

[tulip thorn]

no

[pastel urchin]

The font i mean

[tulip thorn]

Because it looks good

[pastel urchin]

Because its simple

[heavy arch]

gfx files dont affect iron man

[eternal palm]

Looks cool

Nothing wrong with it

[paper echo]

some people have bad devices and that map improves performance

[pastel urchin]

Alr thanks

[tulip thorn]

I still like blue marble more

But fps map does make the game run slightly faster late game

[bright arrow]

Fps map ugly

[eternal palm]

Yall need to try iron map mode

[tulip thorn]

I typically swap to it around 44 or 45

[eternal palm]

Best mod I know

Sadly it crashes my game at random

[tulip thorn]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1772079976&searchtext=Sensible+font

[paper echo]

what map mod do yall use

[eternal palm]

Iron Map Mode/FPS Map

[heavy arch]

tno

[paper echo]

i use tno font with tno country colors

[tulip thorn]

I use blue marble and fps map

[bright arrow]

Quams

[safe wing]

I use fps map too

[paper echo]

i was using fps map cuz i had a bad pc

[safe wing]

I only use graphics enhancements

Or sheep’s mod

And thats it

[paper echo]

now its good and i find fps map ugly

[tulip thorn]

Yeah fps map isnt the best looking, but it does help even just a little bit with performance

[west cypress]

i guess im the only one who finds it beatiful

im already used with it too

[bright arrow]

I like Quams mod terrain

[eternal palm]

I've never turned it off in 6 years lol

It's cool

[tulip thorn]

I never really liked quams

[eternal palm]

Naaaah

Iron Map Mode better

[tulip thorn]

Its way worse than fps map

[paper echo]

i used to use tfr map but switched to tno

[tulip thorn]

Tno map is so cool, but the ui is terrible

[paper echo]

yeah

i hate the ui

[bright arrow]

Everyone hates tno ui

[tulip thorn]

Yeah because its bad

[paper echo]

i hate neon like ui

new mods try that and its the reason i dont play them

[bright arrow]

I hate how hard it is to tell what is being researched

[paper echo]

there was a mod called tiberium.i immediately deleted it after seeing the ui

worse than tno

[tulip thorn]

Yeah just looked it up

Ill pass

[paper echo]

i also hate iron curtain map

it blinds me

[tulip thorn]

Yeah

[paper echo]

are yall hyped for the dlc

[tulip thorn]

very much so

[paper echo]

i saw theres a secret nation

[tulip thorn]

Ooo really

[paper echo]

yeah

kumul and you can play as the khan

[paper echo]

saw it on a stream yesterday

idk if you can do mongol empire tho

[tulip thorn]

Also rip xibei san ma

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-frog-crashout-rage-anger-destruction-gif-17726632617485876258

[paper echo]

at least ma bufang is still there

[tulip thorn]

I hope he can reform xibei san ma

It must happen

[paper echo]

yeah

[tulip thorn]

I bet someone is going to make a mod that brings it back lol

[paper echo]

im sure

i can do that cuz why not

and farm these steam points

[viscid stirrup]

yo yo yo

[paper echo]

also rip 2 unit naval invasion order spam

[viscid stirrup]

0 days until dlc

[paper echo]

like 4 hours until dlc

[viscid stirrup]

i wonder if they changed anything in the base game

[viscid stirrup]

0.17ish days until dlc

[paper echo]

the doctrines are gonna be there

[viscid stirrup]

wait no

[unreal olive]

I feel like I am eating crazy pills like seriously, do the goddamn portraits not look like the most obvious AI shit ever

Like how did he went from this to that

[viscid stirrup]

all hoi4 portraits look like ai slop

[unreal olive]

Or this???

[hasty badge]

.....help they actually just made pt boats destroyers

[unreal olive]

Well yea Especially lately

the past few Slop DLCs

Fired the portrait artist guy alongside the QA team I guess

[hasty badge]

Please tell me I'm mistaken please tell me it's not true

[viscid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[copper sluice]

18??

[unreal olive]

Like this, before its a goofy portrait but you can tell at first glance a huamn made it

[paper echo]

welp at least its not the ugly yellow/white color every portrait had on release

[copper sluice]

at least they are using based EU timezone

[paper echo]

i prefer ai over the hoi release ones

[hasty badge]

Please don't tell me they went and said yeah those 2 things are basically the same

[unreal olive]

yea thank god they didnt leave the Miyazaki filter on

[unreal olive]

Well IF it is AI then that needs to be declared no?

[paper echo]

it does

they are a multi million company

[unreal olive]

Idk honestly its probably AI+Post editing which TECHNICALLY not AI????

[paper echo]

im sure they can find good artists

[unreal olive]

Yeah

[paper echo]

lets hope the focuses are not ai lol

[unreal olive]

Honestly if you seen some of those HOI4 youtuber thumbnails they have these AI generated focus icons right

[copper sluice]

why would it be AI

[unreal olive]

they are pretty close

[slim nexus]

Very, bought the pass about 3 weeks ago

[unreal olive]

The portraits are just VERY off

[paper echo]

idk companies nowadays use ai and its getting really bad

[copper sluice]

which one here is supposed to be AI generated?

[paper echo]

i hope paradox doesnt fall into that hole

[fossil dragon]

Is dlc out for gmt +1

[paper echo]

w

[copper sluice]

in 4h30min

[fossil dragon]

Oh

Tnx

[viscid stirrup]

vro dont buy dlc at release

[hasty badge]

18:00

[viscid stirrup]

instead, wait until the summer discount of 2028

[hasty badge]

I know I'm the only person that cares about navy but the made wooden pt boats basically short range destroyers....

And it makes me sad

[paper echo]

i cant be the only one who was joining streams and was searching for moment that showed ma bufang

i wanted to know if he is still in the game

good thing is that he is

and he is the leader of the south ma

[copper sluice]

wait why

[hasty badge]

Just because

Who knows

But Escort carriers are Special Project because.... I don't know it's not so special

[sudden thistle]

Navy fun

[sudden thistle]

I’m going to spam these

[paper echo]

BRO

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

[hasty badge]

Yeah but why it's special project?

I'm also gonna spam them

[tulip thorn]

They have waited 5 years to nerf collabs

[sudden thistle]

No clue

[paper echo]

FIRST THIS THEN COLLAB NERF?

im an impatient person of course i dont wanna wait 100 days for an invasion

[urban flower]

Hello I am a modder and coder. I need the newest DLC files of HOI4 for legit reasons. Is anyone wanting to provide them for me?

It's just a copy paste and then upload the file to drive or something so i can download it

[atomic grove]

are you serious

[tulip thorn]

Nice try

The dlc isnt even out yet lmao

[eternal palm]

[atomic grove]

thats like going into a bank and then asking the guy at the front to give all the money without having anything

[eternal palm]

Maybe wait like everyone else.

Securities? What's that

[atomic grove]

plus its in a few hours

[urban flower]

oh, it's still 4 hours?

[atomic grove]

in my time

[viscid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[tulip thorn]

Yeah

[eternal palm]

I'll return it duh

Trust me

[hasty badge]

Hello I'm the king of England I need files like rn rn, for important reasons from the royal decreet. Pls send

[urban flower]

nah

more like asking for a clean banknote

[tulip thorn]

There is no legit reason for you to need the files copy and pasted into discord

[viscid stirrup]

bro the king of england died 90 years ago

[urban flower]

there is 100% a reason iykwim

[viscid stirrup]

in 1936

[tulip thorn]

Not like the uk has a king right now

[eternal palm]

That's literally not what you're asking 💀
You're asking for any banknote because you don't have one.

You're not exchanging anything. Why even ask when you can just buy the dlc yourself

There is legit no reason to ask

[hasty badge]

Damn yeah I forgot UK is communist now. Kaiserreich and so on

[eternal palm]

Except to get it for free which is piracy

[copper sluice]

wait I never saw this

[viscid stirrup]

oh the other king

[hasty badge]

They had many kings

They still have kne

[viscid stirrup]

nah crazy

[tulip thorn]

Pirates in this server are getting sloppy

Just giving themself away under 0 pressure

[urban flower]

ok im not gonna continue such a trivial argument

[eternal palm]

Well you are still typing.

Oh he stopped

[viscid stirrup]

why didnt they overthrow the monarchy like the french did in 1789, 1815, 1845,1870

[tulip thorn]

Because their monarchy hasnt had real power for along time

[urban flower]

It's kinda expensive to buy dlcs in my nation

[tulip thorn]

and the uk was generally just more stable

[hasty badge]

Guys he joined the server today lol

[paper echo]

i like how as monarchist philipines youll be able to unify with spain

[tulip thorn]

Dont come to the hoi4 server for help 💀

[urban flower]

the world is unequal
so i treat the devs unequal

[eternal palm]

Bohoo so is it for everyone else!

Jfc

[atomic grove]

capitalism

[viscid stirrup]

theyre still a waste of money

[urban flower]

it's not my fault my nation is poor af

[cedar lance]

where do i get PT BOATs in NCNS?

[viscid stirrup]

the government gives them millions of pounds every year

[tulip thorn]

So

I like them

and so do the british people

[eternal palm]

No its pdx fault for making the prices too high

You're still not the only one

[tulip thorn]

and the monarchy makes their own money now for the most part

[hasty badge]

Yeah and my country has one of the worst currency conversion on steam. Poor me give me the dlc files

[eternal palm]

So stop pretending

[graceful grotto]

Are you able to buy the dlc separately or do you gotta buy the whole pass because 40 quid for a dlc tad high

[viscid stirrup]

you like parasitic leeches using their title to steal taxpayer money

[cedar lance]

yes you can

[tulip thorn]

I like the history and ceremony of the monarch

Its a cultural thing

[hasty badge]

You don't it's just a destroyer hull modified by doctrine to have less range and some other things

[cedar lance]

oh alr

[tulip thorn]

The royal family of the uk today makes money from their own sources

[viscid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-collar-spongebob-meme-spongebob-my-collars-blue-but-my-neck-is-red-my-neck-is-red-gif-3192517573125654259

[urban flower]

even if it was 1/100th of the current price, it's still expensive

[graceful grotto]

Not coming up for me let me see if im being stupid

[eternal palm]

Maybe government shouldn't be based on vibes lol

[viscid stirrup]

40 cents isnt expensive

[urban flower]

okey if it was 1/10th it would be expensive

[eternal palm]

And they got that how? By being rulers of the kingdom, I don't know if I would call that "their own"

[viscid stirrup]

what currency do you use?

[hasty badge]

Ok but what makes you think WE have the money?

[cedar lance]

how do i get patrol boats in NCNS?

[tulip thorn]

Just look it up

[viscid stirrup]

they use the money that the government gives them to make more money

[tulip thorn]

My god

[urban flower]

Franc

[hasty badge]

Doctrine but it's just modified destroyer

[eternal palm]

I know it's their property

[urban flower]

congo franc

[cedar lance]

alr thx m8

[tulip thorn]

Liking the british monarchy is a crime

[viscid stirrup]

W republic of congo

[tulip thorn]

Like god damn

[eternal palm]

And the British have their own reasons to keep their king, but there's no logical reason to keep a monarchy

[viscid stirrup]

yes

[eternal palm]

Or to even create a new one

Vibes aint reason enough

[hasty badge]

And how much is it?

The dlc

[tulip thorn]

well duh

[daring geyser]

you're getting trolled... or as some idiots say, "ragebaited"

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-angry-gon-bait-gif-5270896389597269350

[viscid stirrup]

its not ragebait

[eternal palm]

https://c.tenor.com/bpzc3SDz-uEAAAAd/tenor.gif

[daring geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-laugh-laughingatgrandma-yougotme-gif-19096209

[viscid stirrup]

i hate the monarchy

[tulip thorn]

Jellyfish isnt ragebaiting in anyway

[paper echo]

NOW they add it

[urban flower]

40 euro is like 1/5th of monthly income

[viscid stirrup]

i despise it with every bone in my body

[urban flower]

lol

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

[viscid stirrup]

u only earn 200 euros a month?

thats borderline slavery

sue your employer

[paper echo]

i swear if the dlc is another goe flop

[tulip thorn]

I despise communists with every bone in my body. Now we are equal

[daring geyser]

where can i see this

[urban flower]

i just said i live in congo

[paper echo]

#hearts-of-iron-news

[viscid stirrup]

dev diares

[urban flower]

i work student job little bit, but 200 is like avg income

[cedar lance]

which doctrine i do i NEED to get Patrol boats ?

[viscid stirrup]

u said 40 euros is a 5th of your income

thus, your income monthly is 200

[urban flower]

bro

[paper echo]

ok ig

[urban flower]

when did i say i earn 200 lol

i just said 40 is 1/5th of normal income

i earn much less than that

(as im a student)

[viscid stirrup]

ahh

i thought it was a 5th of your income

wait so you earn even less?

[cedar lance]

@hasty badge

[viscid stirrup]

that literally slavery

you should sue your employers

[hasty badge]

I don't know the dlc is not out yet

[cedar lance]

oh sorry

[hasty badge]

I know you are ragebaiting but like bro

[urban flower]

I'm pretty smart so i can work in Belgium with my degree of engineer (i will work just as like assistant engineer)

But I will need to do extra diploma for real engineer in belgium

[urban flower]

nice bro

we dont work like that

and justice is corrupt af

[viscid stirrup]

less than 200 euros a month is ridiculously low

[cedar lance]

let me know @hasty badge when it comes out and then tell me

[hasty badge]

4 hours and 15 minutes

[viscid stirrup]

the living cost in the republic of congo is 500 euros a month

[daring geyser]

my mind is rapidly deteriorating

[urban flower]

i dont live in the republic of congo

i live in the DRC

democratic republic of congo

[viscid stirrup]

oh

[urban flower]

everything is fkd here

[viscid stirrup]

i thought u lived in the republic of congo because you used the franc

sry

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-frog-crashout-rage-anger-destruction-gif-17726632617485876258

[urban flower]

we both use franc

[viscid stirrup]

the monthly cost of living in the DRC is 200 euros a month

[urban flower]

but a diff franc

[cedar lance]

yes ik m8

[plucky sedge]

chat this japan tree is so fire 🔥

[hasty badge]

Fair enough but as a student as well I don't earn that much to just give people dlc for free because they live in DRC. Also the dlc doesn't cost 40 euro, the entire expansion pack does

[plucky sedge]

who else playing it rn

[urban flower]

with earning 200 you can see that saving 40 is uhhhh impossible

[viscid stirrup]

since laplaces coffee cup makes less than that, he/she doesnt have enough money to live comftorably

[cedar lance]

i live in finland

[tulip thorn]

Stop ragebaiting

[viscid stirrup]

yes i fully understand your opinion

[cedar lance]

im estonian tho

[plucky sedge]

wdym its out?

[cedar lance]

in Estonia the Minimum wage is so LOW

[hasty badge]

2/10 rage bait

[tulip thorn]

no its not

[plucky sedge]

must be a time zone skill issue lmao

[viscid stirrup]

minimum wage is ridiculously low in every country

[plucky sedge]

idk what to tell you

[hasty badge]

What timezone you are in

[cedar lance]

oh damn alr

[viscid stirrup]

people should be able to get enough money to live comfotrably with 40 hours a week of working

[tulip thorn]

yeah nice try

[plucky sedge]

new zealand

[tulip thorn]

no one has it for 4 hours

[urban flower]

people should be able to with <20hrs of working

[plucky sedge]

dang you gotta wait 4 hours?

sucks to suck i guess

[urban flower]

we're slaving more than we were in the medieval era lol

[viscid stirrup]

REAL

[urban flower]

but hey at least we have hoi4, instagram and tiktok

[cedar lance]

should i buy the Expansion pass 2 or only NCNS?

[viscid stirrup]

medieval peasants only worked half the year

[tulip thorn]

Send a screenshot

[viscid stirrup]

due to the nature of agricultural cycles preventing farming in winter

[hasty badge]

The release in new Zealand is 6 am and it's 1:51

[bright arrow]

Go to sleep and wake up early

[urban flower]

even still a work day was shorter in summer too

[bright arrow]

Ez

[plucky sedge]

yeah okay pal

[tulip thorn]

Send a screenshot

[viscid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[plucky sedge]

any paradox game i play i press print screen and it just bugs out idk what to tell you

[hasty badge]

You are getting rage baited again mate how do you do it

[plucky sedge]

hoi4 vic3 eu4 eu5 all does it

[viscid stirrup]

every technology that increased production didnt raise the wage of workers or reduce their hours

[tulip thorn]

This one im not falling for

[urban flower]

on the bright side we also don't have to fight and die

for the king shitthrone of poopenfarten village with his 215 strong army

against

the duke of ulalallaland with his 50 pikemen and 3 knights

[tulip thorn]

Asking for a screenshot isnt me falling for it

[hasty badge]

You basically are by asking him for screenshot

[plucky sedge]

kodoha faction is actually fire tho

and the new doctrines

[tulip thorn]

how exactly

[cedar lance]

ey

[viscid stirrup]

there are notes from chinese peasants in the 1600s about how the peasants invented a new knife that could cut rice twice as fast , but the peasants didnt get shorter hours or more pay

[urban flower]

nuclear weapons are litteraly the best invention to reduce wars

[cedar lance]

should i only buy the Expansion pass 2 or only NCNS?

[hasty badge]

Because he wants engagement and you are engaging with bim

Him

[viscid stirrup]

the greedy companies will continue to exploit the workers

stagnating wages and skyrocketing prices

[plucky sedge]

enjoy waiting 4 hours 😭 ✌️

[eternal palm]

Nuclear Weapons by themselves aren't. Mutually assured destruction is. And that's only if nobody is stupid enough to press the button regardless

[hasty badge]

I don't know I would buy just ncns unless you are absolutely sure you wanna have them all

[viscid stirrup]

no one but the CEOs and shareholders will have anything

[tulip thorn]

true

[eternal palm]

Weapons to enforce peace isn't exactly stable

[daring geyser]

usa players will go wild

[cedar lance]

alr

idk

[plucky sedge]

one level aint a big deal lil bro

[urban flower]

tru

[plucky sedge]

usa too op as it is

[urban flower]

i'm scared for when terrorists will acquire nukes

[viscid stirrup]

so then why is the minister of army called the "defense" minister

[viscid stirrup]

oh they already have

one of them is vlad

[tulip thorn]

Why is there a lack of hoi4 in hoi4 general

[viscid stirrup]

another is kim

[urban flower]

like imagine next time a PMC is out here supressing the people and the people detonate a nuke on the government 💀

[viscid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-1182720488497099882

[cedar lance]

@hasty badge ill buy NCNS tomorrow

[hasty badge]

Ok

[urban flower]

https://tenor.com/view/challenger-2-mbt-firing-gif-9673949347388094222

[viscid stirrup]

ill do it tommorow...
ill do it next week...
ill do it when i have energy...

[viscid stirrup]

never delay

[cedar lance]

alr

[urban flower]

will there be update to manzu and warlords?

[viscid stirrup]

yes

[hasty badge]

I'll do it when I'll have the money and Im sure I want to throw it into a computer game

[tulip thorn]

warlords are reworked

[urban flower]

or like a ghengis khan path to inner mongolia

[viscid stirrup]

ill do it when paradox becomes worker directed after a global communist revolution

[urban flower]

manzuria too!?

[viscid stirrup]

manchuria you mean

[urban flower]

it's just a transliteration

[median forum]

Forgive my ignorance, is there ANY way at all I can buy this new DLC without buying the pass??

[urban flower]

but i think its manzou and not manzuria lol

[viscid stirrup]

yes

[tulip thorn]

hopefully

[viscid stirrup]

but you have to wait until the dlc comes out

in 4 hours

[urban flower]

manchuria is an average anglican butchering of a geographic name

[viscid stirrup]

youll be able to buy seperately

[viscid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-spider-man-web-of-shadows-depressed-sad-gif-16524395

[median forum]

Thank god for that

£40 for a decent sized DLC and a new ship model

[plucky sedge]

no you have to buy the pass its how im playing it rn

it didnt let me buy separately

[median forum]

How are you playing it now bro it's not out for another 4 hours

[plucky sedge]

time zone i guess idk what to tell you

[urban flower]

man i hope there is insane qing path

[plucky sedge]

i hopped on steam and it said new dlc downloaded

[urban flower]

i love to claim mandate of heaven

[plucky sedge]

no manchuria is largely unchanged

[tulip thorn]

48$ for the dlc already out in the pass, but with serveral more dlcs included with it that will come out later

[plucky sedge]

only nationalist and communist china got major changes

some warlord tweaks tho

[median forum]

Czechoslovakia and Australia aren't worth $48 surely

[urban flower]

Maybe there's already video ill check

[viscid stirrup]

i hope theres a communist path

[bright arrow]

48$ is for them all combined

[median forum]

Build more forts or weaponise more tractors

[plucky sedge]

aint no one is gonna buy a dlc for only czechoslovakia thats made by modders 😭 🙏

[bright arrow]

NCNS will probably be like 30$

[plucky sedge]

with the pass youre paying for cosmetic packs and idk about you fellas but i dont care for cosmetic packs

[tulip thorn]

Well all the dlcs combined would be more than $48

[median forum]

No no I get it, just all the flavour in every part of the expansion is just a big Japan one, Czechoslovakia and Oceana

[urban flower]

lol alex rambler has video

[plucky sedge]

will prob be cheaper to buy individually

[urban flower]

all they got was new focus icons hahaha

[median forum]

Ye ye it's a 20% discount if you buy the pass

[tulip thorn]

The south east asia/australia pack would probably be $15

[median forum]

But like 70% of the pack I really don't care for imo

[viscid stirrup]

guys

[robust ibex]

what more do you get from the pass other than the ncns dlc

[tulip thorn]

the czech focus tree like $6 bucks if we being generious to paradox

[urban flower]

nvm

[viscid stirrup]

just wait until 2070

when the dlc will become free

[urban flower]

i see a couple new foci for qing

[viscid stirrup]

man the guns became free

and so did the poland dlc

[plucky sedge]

the czechoslovakia one will prob be the only hoi4 dlc i dont buy cuz aint no way im paying all that for one focus tree

[viscid stirrup]

so eventually every dlc will become free

[tulip thorn]

You basically just preorder all other dlcs in the pack

[median forum]

Just needed to know if I could get it separate from the price no compromise no surrender will be free in the Mongolia overhaul

[bright arrow]

Paradox will make the Australia one like 15 bucks, and Czech like 6-10 bucks

Btw its not just Australia, it also Siam and East Indies

[tulip thorn]

Siam is kinda hype

But thats not till Q2 2026

[plucky sedge]

i fear the australia one will be ass like GoE

[slim hatch]

WHY CANT THIS SCHOOL JUST GET SET ON FIRE SO I CAN PLAY HOI4

[tulip thorn]

I hope thunder at the gates is made by main paradox devs

[slim hatch]

I NEED MY DLC IN 3 HOURS

[plucky sedge]

to this day ive only played india and it was better than tfv dont get me wrong but its still pretty mid

[robust ibex]

wild

[eternal palm]

Just don't go 5head

Call in sick

[bright arrow]

Pay attention

[slim hatch]

Im alr here </3

[bright arrow]

Hoi4 is brainrot

[eternal palm]

See that was your first mistake

[slim hatch]

Lies

[bright arrow]

Counting chins on hirohito

[slim hatch]

No more..

Its one now..

Not 3

Or 4

1

[viscid stirrup]

WHY CANT THE STUDENTS SIEZE THE MEANS OF EDUCATION

[still loom]

Does this mean I can finally implement my idea?
Infantry+ spg

[eternal palm]

Should've turned off your pc why are you playing feather for 13 hours 💀

[eternal palm]

Yes

[slim hatch]

Anyways guys look at this map i drew from memory

[still loom]

I can't wait to pump soft attack

[eternal palm]

Misspelled Germany 0/10

[edgy wedge]

how long till the dlc launches

[eternal palm]

It's "Deutsches Reich"

[slim hatch]

Sad..

[robust ibex]

give it to the teacher

present

[viscid stirrup]

wheres lichtenstein 6.7/10

[eternal palm]

4 hours.

Jfc

[edgy wedge]

tank

[slim hatch]

Its there

Danzig is therectoo

[bright arrow]

Somehow the Kaiser has returned

[cedar lance]

3 hrs left yalls

[atomic grove]

love how switzerland is literally just "+"

[slim hatch]

In the 1920s it was still called the German Reich

And when hitler first came to power

The flag

Was the black white and red tricolor

[zinc light]

I've never seen that faction before 😭 🥀

[daring geyser]

yep thats how big romania is

[crude dragon]

what mod is this

[slim hatch]

I hate drawinf the balkans.m

[zinc light]

I got R56 on, dont know if its from there lmao

[slim hatch]

I DID SAY FROM MEMORY OKAY

I DREW IT IN GEONETRY WHEN I WAS BORES

THATS,GOTTA COUNT FOR SOMTH

[regal heron]

i forgot this lil bro

[slim hatch]

Also tf

[still loom]

Assigning one div for naval invasion at a time is dead now?

[zinc light]

apparently it is, Romania's focus tree in Vanilla is so bad that it got a brand new one here

[eternal palm]

I guess so

Wait this is huge what

[zinc light]

general status of the map btw

[viscid stirrup]

lil bro thinks hes tuff

[still loom]

I did that yesterday. For the last time

It was fun

Invaded some islands

[slim hatch]

R i p

[daring geyser]

this gonna make ddaying in mp a real pain in the arse

[slim hatch]

Can we get an f in chat for naval invasion spam

[crude dragon]

yes, no more 10 invasion arrows with 1 unit each

[zinc light]

germany declared war on me for some godforsaken reason, and france is the only way for me to push in

[slim hatch]

F

[eternal palm]

Yes 😭

Gotta wait 100 days

[cedar lance]

@hasty badge btw NCNS comes out for me at 6 PM today

[still loom]

[hasty badge]

I know for me as well

[daring geyser]

perhaps it would be a welcome change if soviets lasted longer

[regal heron]

HUH

[cedar lance]

oh alr

[daring geyser]

but they don't

[regal heron]

since when i get this

[still loom]

Everything about these 2 are so good

[zinc light]

the main drawback was that 10 invasions with 1 unit each only took 7 days while 1 invasion with 10 units took 70 days to prepare

[still loom]

Exactly

[viscid stirrup]

naval invasions are so expensive

no wonder the UK had 270% debt to gdp by 1945

[hasty badge]

Just make marine divisions whose entire purpose is basically naval invasion? And just shove divisions later into captured ports

[still loom]

sad trumpet noises

[daring geyser]

did you read the word mp

do you know how dday is carried out in a semicomp lobby

[still loom]

Bro. Now I can't attack Bulgaria fast

[hasty badge]

Yeah sorry I didn't

[still loom]

I usually attack on 1938, winter

[broken pier]

Should I commence Collab Gov everytime it's alrd prepared or wait until you declare war

[bright arrow]

Ballstothewallgaria

[daring geyser]

this is gonna make barb

interesting

if it's a significant change

[bright arrow]

I hope it is

Currently winter is just white summer

[hasty badge]

About time, I basically forgot winter exists

[daring geyser]

hopefully it is because winter is not nearly as close as an impediment as it was irl

[zinc light]

indeed

[bronze mango]

Trying to get bad romance achievement before the dlc

[regal heron]

how ts gonna attack me

[zinc light]

sucks when the fuel literally freezes in the tank

[zinc light]

bro is cooked

[cedar lance]

@hasty badge btw are you gonna use the NEW ranger unit?

[zinc light]

as if anyone actually builds coastal forts 🥀

[hasty badge]

I have no idea

[cedar lance]

alr

[zinc light]

they bringing rangers to vanilla?

damn R56 ripoff

[daring geyser]

it's pretty used in multiplayer, it can be the gap between the enemy landing or not

it's actually a rather hefty debuff

[still loom]

I never tried shore bombardment as I didn't build navy often. Will give it a try. And when does it happen? Naval invasion escort?

[hasty badge]

(half of Dlc's)

[cedar lance]

PDX are adding it as part of the NCNS Dlc

[daring geyser]

just whenever your fleet is on a tile that borders a coast tile

doesn't matter which order

you can just tell them to hold position there and it'll work perfectly

[hasty badge]

Yes and also just Your navy operating in the naval region where the coast ist

[still loom]

I see

[daring geyser]

is coal still gonna be a thing

havent read a thing abt it on the dev diary

[still loom]

Thank you! Thank you

[tulip thorn]

yes

[still loom]

I hated it so much

[bright arrow]

Finally

[cedar lance]

@hasty badge when i buy NCNS tomorrow ill test out the NEW Ranger unit and make enough ranger unit templates

[viscid stirrup]

tannu tuva got so much easier

[dawn mango]

dlc in ~4 hours

[still loom]

Subjects and overlords? Hmm does that apply to every faction member?

[icy crescent]

Nepal walks through India.
Then ships over to Europe.

[cedar lance]

ill make ENOUGH ranger templates

like a fireteam squad section platoon company regiment battalion brigade division and corps

[regal heron]

make sense but pretty stupid 🥀

[icy crescent]

I have to say that I am impressed that you managed to have beef with Nepal.

[daring geyser]

this.. this is going to be awesome in mp

or if doctrine is shared for all countries it might nerf both factions

but nerf the axis a lot more

[cedar lance]

@hasty badge

[hasty badge]

Alr

[cedar lance]

so i can overrun my enemies

[still loom]

Update didn't drop yet, right?

[cedar lance]

yes

[still loom]

Good

[cedar lance]

3 hrs left

[still loom]

I can stare at Hirohito's chin a little more

For last time

Oh wait

Does this portrait change come with dlc only?

Or globally

[daring geyser]

its not like hitler in GDR only changed for those which had dlc

[still loom]

I see why they made man the guns free.

[still loom]

Idk about that dlc much but, I see

Except research facility

I love it

Ah man

They nerfed Collab government

Now you need to invade more

[icy crescent]

It lowers the surrender limit less?

[still loom]

No more <47% capitulation

[still loom]

From 30 to 100 to 15 to 100

[strange stratus]

Ahh winter❄️🇳🇴

[icy crescent]

That's the entire screen.
Use Shift+Windows+S otherwise.

[strange stratus]

😭😭😭

My bad

[icy crescent]

We still love you.
We forgive you.

[regal heron]

no

[eternal palm]

Well now u know

Windows shift s works too

[viscid stirrup]

command shift 3 on mac

[still loom]

Thank you

This reduces chances for negative peace conference score in late game

[viscid stirrup]

how would it be negative

[edgy wedge]

overflow

I think

[still loom]

Integer overflow

You have no idea how many times I had that

[edgy wedge]

me when Ghandi becomes Oppenheimer

[misty fossil]

ncns is out

[edgy wedge]

Is it?

[misty fossil]

?

Oh

i mean when is 18:00 cet

[copper sluice]

is there a way for germany to get the flag it has today?

[misty fossil]

is it like utc+3

[copper sluice]

utc+1

[solemn bay]

I'm compromising and surrendering my wallet

[viscid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[eternal palm]

Go democratic

[eternal palm]

In about 3 hours

[viscid stirrup]

stay fascist to get modern day germany

[misty fossil]

hm okay

[eternal palm]

Bro is the concept of time zones foreign to kids today jfc

[misty fossil]

Should i wait till black friday to buy the season pass

[misty fossil]

what’s timezones

[eternal palm]

Wouldn't know

[viscid stirrup]

yes everyone thinks i live in their timezone

[misty fossil]

does anyone know what timezones are?

dont we all have the same time

[eternal palm]

Ask the chinese

[bright arrow]

The amount of kids i see complaining about who is right when it comes to the hour without even processing that they are on different zones of the planet is hilarious

[viscid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[eternal palm]

Bros talking likes he's not 12 years old 😭

[devout rapids]

ATCH NOTES - NO COMPROMISE, NO SURRENDER CHECKSUM df93
No Compromise, No Surrender
Added new ahistorical Japanese focus paths including Imperial Influence system.

Added new historical Japan focus tree paths

Added new focus tree to Nationalist China

Added new focus tree to Communist China

Added full focus tree to Philippines

Updated existing warlord focus trees and added it to new war lord countries’

Split Sinkiang and Khotan Ma with NCNS enabled.

Split Xibei San Ma into Qinghai Ma, Gansu Ma and Ningxia Mawith NCNS enabled.

Split Nationalist China from Sichuan Clique, Northeastern Army, Hebi-Chahar and Shandong Clique with NCNS enabled.

Split Guangdong Clique from Guangxi Clique with NCNS enabled.

Updated states in East Asia and Philippines

Added new VO for Philippines

Added 10 new music tracks

Added 67 new 3D models

Added 54 reskinned and updated 3D models

Added 67 new 3D model

Added 67 new 3D model

[vivid moth]

Added 67 new 3D model?

[solemn bay]

67...

[viscid stirrup]

13 actually

[merry bloom]

is the dlc out

[still loom]

Hopefully, they reworked artillery 3d

Or tanks

[eternal palm]

In 3 hours

[still loom]

Perhaps I don't see them updated because of no dlc. I may be wrong

[icy crescent]

No, not yet.
I cannot find it on Steam at this moment.

[viscid stirrup]

itll be out in 3 hours

tuff

[copper sluice]

is this a good design

[icy crescent]

Tho reconsider purchase.
New DLCs tend to be very buggy.
And the last one isn't bugfree yet.

[copper sluice]

ok I added another fuel tank

[upper anvil]

I think paradox is missing out on merch idea for the slogan “Assume The Naval Burden”

[slim hatch]

Can paradox airdrop me a trashy laptop so i can download steam and play hoi in the buildings of the corrupt american education system

[eternal palm]

Nah

Use focke wulf

[trim pike]

What do u think of the doctrine and balance changes

[eternal palm]

Remove the extra modules and go down to single engine

[eternal palm]

No clue

I don't have the dlc yet

[trim pike]

Oh

[eternal palm]

And prob won't have for some time

[trim pike]

Not buying?

[eternal palm]

Not immediately

Will do later

I'm getting a Russian discount

[trim pike]

[rancid bramble]

[eternal palm]

What?

😇

[copper sluice]

why

[eternal palm]

Because double engine is expensive as shit

Simply not worth

You can remove all the extra modules and keep single engine

[heavy arch]

german navy will rise again

[still loom]

Hmm

What's the difference between light cruiser and destroyer?

Which one would you use the most?

I'm already aware of the functions of destroyers but LC? Idk

It's like destroyer on steroids for me

Does it have any cons compared to destroyed? Except the cost

[heavy arch]

dunno

i am just larping and i dont like meta spam

also pretty sure destroyers act as shields for cruisers

[trim pike]

CL*

Cl with max gun and armor is meta for about 2.5 hr more

[still loom]

Yeah those letters. I still can't distinguish them

Gotta learn later

[trim pike]

Basically they’re bigger dds

[surreal mist]

CL = Light Cruiser

[still loom]

BC, LC, BC... uh so confusing

[trim pike]

Dd cl ca bc bb cv

Ss

[surreal mist]

cant remember if CA came from pre-ww1 antique Armored Cruisers or not

[still loom]

What's super heavu battlefield ship

SHBC?

[surreal mist]

SHBB

[still loom]

Ah bb

[trim pike]

Nah it’s cruiser class

So first letter c

Then the a is just classification

[misty fossil]

me when i tell people focke wulf exists (they now know of peak)

also its mildly infuriating to see people not using range mio

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-half-life-3-hopium-hope-valve-gif-6767220579130906486

[surreal mist]

ye i knew that, but before cruisers got subdivided into light and heavy cruisers, it used to be Cruisers and Armored Cruisers

[plucky sedge]

Screens:
DD - Destroyer
CL - Light cruiser
Capitals:
CA - Heavy cruiser
BC - Battle cruiser
BB - Battleship
CV - Aircraft carrier

[misty fossil]

just delete all navies

[surreal mist]

idr why they swapped the naming, and why CLs got named with their weight and CAs not

[misty fossil]

ez

wrong

[eternal palm]

Big. Light cruisers do so much more damage. Dds are just kinda there

Don't even need to make them expensive

[surreal mist]

CLs also die less

[misty fossil]

destroyers: DE
light cruisers: LC
heavy cruisers: HC
battlecruiser: BC
battleship: BS
aircraft carrier: AC
fixed the typos for you

[surreal mist]

because armor slot

[plucky sedge]

Cruiser types:
CL - primarily light attack
CA - primarily heavy attack, with lighter armour
BC - primarily heavy attack, with heavier armour

[still loom]

Is there a reason to choose destroyer over light cruiser? Stat vise

[plucky sedge]

cost

[misty fossil]

wow bro just ignored me

[eternal palm]

Nope

[misty fossil]

Holy disrespect

[eternal palm]

Cruisers are better

[plucky sedge]

L

cost is a stat

[surreal mist]

DDs to fill screening, but why even bother, just go CL

[copper sluice]

they get what they deserve

[plucky sedge]

destroyers are more efficient at anti submarine

[eternal palm]

CLs still better

[misty fossil]

Just do destroyer spam

it works

[eternal palm]

They really are not. Heavy fighters with torps are best

Dds just kinda suck

[plucky sedge]

ship wise

[eternal palm]

They die too fast

[misty fossil]

https://youtu.be/3TXuXmXM6tQ?si=I3agFYhuyeFvumzo

[plucky sedge]

not talking about air

[surreal mist]

you know what's more efficient at anti-submarine? medium navs

[patent thistle]

I AM FREE

[eternal palm]

Doesn't matter

[misty fossil]

proof DD spam works

[patent thistle]

BACK HOME

[eternal palm]

Better planes exists

[plucky sedge]

okay but this is a navy discussion

[still loom]

Is that true for heavy cruiser vs Battleship?

[eternal palm]

So?

[versed rapids]

Is it worth it?

[eternal palm]

Why limit yourself

[misty fossil]

Just tell your troops to swim??????

[versed rapids]

The dlc

[plucky sedge]

so thats it..

[misty fossil]

its not hard

[plucky sedge]

holy 0/10 ragebait

[eternal palm]

Nah. CAs suck, BBs suck too, just make shbb

[versed rapids]

Is the dlc worth it

[misty fossil]

bro couldnt handle fire so he called it ragebait

[surreal mist]

if you ignore air then the irrelevant stat of anti-sub destroyers are better sure. But using ships as anti-sub is the single most wasteful thing you can do with that naval ic

[misty fossil]

pure skill issue

[eternal palm]

See they get it

[plucky sedge]

heavy cruisers are cheaper, i tend to go battle cruisers as a sort of middle ground between armour and speed

[misty fossil]

BCs are shit

[eternal palm]

SHBB is better still

[versed rapids]

When will the dlc release

[misty fossil]

just build shbb

[eternal palm]

It's basically immortal

[misty fossil]

18:00

[eternal palm]

Just don't make it 23k IC

[surreal mist]

SHBB only dies when everything else is dead

so cool

[still loom]

I did yesterday. 2 of them

[misty fossil]

dies of death

[still loom]

It was killing everything

I loved it

[eternal palm]

Holy heavy attack 😭

[misty fossil]

200 heavy attack

[plucky sedge]

for european theatre thats true but imo its not worth trying to invest in long range planes in the pacific theatre when you can just use ships

[surreal mist]

bro medium navs exist

[eternal palm]

Just block the zones u can't reach

[still loom]

I mean, screens do the soft work for you. I love heavy attack. Unless there's anything meta for it

[misty fossil]

if you play japan and doesnt want to play navy then dont play japan

same as the us

obvious isnt it

[eternal palm]

Light attack to shred screens, heavy attack for capitals

It's as shrimple as that

[misty fossil]

nah carriers are king

[eternal palm]

When screening line dies capital line does too

[plucky sedge]

shbb's are good but you need good anti air or else you die to carriers

[still loom]

Yeah I know how it works. It's just I love the concept of hard attack

[eternal palm]

Hence u do anti air on them

[misty fossil]

hard attack when i lob 400 planes at you

heavy*

[surreal mist]

SHBB aa barge is the single most toxic thing vs air controller

[still loom]

And btw
Look at that battleship's armour. 80

[eternal palm]

It's like fine

[surreal mist]

you're right, aa bricks are more toxic

[still loom]

Even super heavy battleship can't pierce itself

[eternal palm]

YES

[still loom]

[candid wadi]

does anyone know when the expansion pass 2 will be available until?

[plucky sedge]

shbb with only anti air is pretty hilarious

[candid wadi]

or will it be forever

[plucky sedge]

rip usa navy

[plucky sedge]

forever

[candid wadi]

oh great

[eternal palm]

.....why would they take it down.

[candid wadi]

im not sure i thought it was a kind of deal thing

how expensive is it again?

[surreal mist]

man the doctrine rework is the most exciting thing the update has for me, well and Japan tree i guess, hated how linear and boring the current tree is

cant wait to see the paradox-patented totally-clueless stats they give the 'subdoctrines'

[plucky sedge]

im so hyped for japan

[copper sluice]

should I get the supersonic jet or mothership

[plucky sedge]

i need to lock in on navy

[patent thistle]

I tend to use CAs if i want to make a carrier fleet yet dont have that many dockyards to afford with carriers battlecruisers

[plucky sedge]

whole us fleet gone by 1942 trust

[eternal palm]

Just make shbb

[plucky sedge]

i use an infinite dockyard line mod

makes it so nice

[eternal palm]

CAs are pointless, they will die

[plucky sedge]

i can put 40 dockyards on capital ships if i want to

[patent thistle]

not if you actually make them good with a shit heavy gun and only secondaries

"i am speed" bascially

[plucky sedge]

i dont see the appeal in CAs I find BCs to be more worth it

[eternal palm]

Make shbb. Will always be my answer

[plucky sedge]

unless you dont want to research new ships i guess

[patent thistle]

i dislike using Breakthrough just to get something you used to be able to get without

[eternal palm]

Ok?

And?

[plucky sedge]

REAL

[eternal palm]

SHBB still good

Your loss

[patent thistle]

i never relied on them

[plucky sedge]

i remember my old germany strat was rush shbbs day one

royal navy never stood a chance

[patent thistle]

so meh

[plucky sedge]

could get 2 out by 1939

[patent thistle]

only?

in some old games i could shit out like 4 or so

[plucky sedge]

i didnt need that many

yeah i could easily get out 4 if i wanted to

but i would rather invest in screens so they dont die

plus i still want a strong army

[patent thistle]

just shit them out on mass and think later of screens, usually the german navy starts with enough screens in construction and start to atleast guard them

[still loom]

Battle cruiser vs heavy cruiser vs Battleship

Choose

I would stick to bb anyways. Despite cost

[tepid crown]

No CA are just bad ngl

[heavy arch]

april 1942 is when i will engage the royal navy

[patent thistle]

have fun with the US then

[heavy arch]

i will

i will outproduce both the RN and USN

im gonna invade ussr just to turn its coast into dockyards

[still loom]

No oil
Average German situation

[patent thistle]

also you might have some angry light cruiser supporters with the 1940 destroyers

[heavy arch]

i dont have the xp to design them yet lol

[trim pike]

Is there gonna be a vid on new dlc?

[daring geyser]

hoi4, the only game where the ai is so dumb that sealion is actually feasible in any way shape or form

[heavy arch]

wdym

[daring geyser]

its always disappointing how easy germany is to play on sp historical

[trim pike]

Are u gonna make a yt vid on ncns

[heavy arch]

i dont do timelapses anymore, i will be switching to gameplay commentary early next year

[trim pike]

Aw

[heavy arch]

hopefully it goes well but meh

[still loom]

irl, sealion was near impossible if not impossible

[heavy arch]

indeed

[daring geyser]

it was just impossible given the situation of germany

the british army wargamed sealion with conditions in favour to germany and it didn't work

[still loom]

One guy said that if Germany didn't fight from 2 fronts and only attacked uk, maybe they had a chance

[patent thistle]

is that even a question? YES I AM TAKING THE SHIP

[still loom]

But remember folks. Remember what hoi4 occupation laws and Wolfenstein taught us. Resistance! Owning a big nation has its cons.

Unless you're a genius

Which... mustache man wasn't

[copper sluice]

so what now

[tepid crown]

It’s unfathomably easy

[heavy arch]

japan

[still loom]

https://tenor.com/view/finding-nemo-bags-floating-stuck-now-what-gif-5473087

[daring geyser]

eh that's a lie

they didn't have a strategic chance at taking on the UK even if the UK was alone

[still loom]

Well, prepare for world conquest and ruling the world

[daring geyser]

trying to battle a globe-spanning empire with access to the majority of the world's resources whilst german eco was doomed to collapse in a few years was impossible

even if they achieved early tactical victory, they were set for defeat since the start

[still loom]

At least they had cool tanks

[daring geyser]

perhaps the only time where britain was actually threatened was during the war of the atlantic

[daring geyser]

breh

american designs and soviet designs were much more efficient btw..

[still loom]

I said cool, not efficient

The way they break and is hard to fix... Kekw

[tepid crown]

And US is kinda bad rn in game

[daring geyser]

historical usa would be by far the most overpowered nation in the game xd, even more op than "the empire" path as uk

when you compare US production to German production, you notice how cooked Germany was

[still loom]

I remember a quote from America during ww2: It's better to confront one tiger with 6 shermans which are balanced and easy to produce/fix

[daring geyser]

tbf one tiger would get absolutely bodied by 6 shermans

[fossil dragon]

More is better i guess

[daring geyser]

1 sherman is enough to take out a tiger, given the correct conditions

and it was no rare occurence

[fossil dragon]

Isn't it that soviets did it whit axes

[tepid crown]

This is like the best I could muster as them. Maybe a bit better if I further macro event better than I already do

[daring geyser]

btw the myth of "german tanks were so good they had bigger survival rate" was false because germany reported their logistics in a faulty way

[daring geyser]

any tank that could be potentially put into battle was contabilized as functional

[reef jetty]

Chat im iran making a faction wid Yugoslavia what should the name be

[daring geyser]

even if it was absolutely not able to do anything

[still loom]

Ah anyways I have to go

Later in the update

[lusty river]

dlccccccccccc please😔

[daring geyser]

so sometimes you'll see "oh but the allies lost so much more" but germany in actuality had double the tank equipment loss than they reported they had

[still loom]

Can't wait to use spg

[reef jetty]

Guys i need ideas what should my faction name be im making it as iran wid Yugoslavia

[daring geyser]

50 dockyards?!?!?!?

now that's trolly...

[lusty river]

wrong reply mb

[lusty river]

Hu Tao pfp

[daring geyser]

ik you get up to 40 from 2 ocean navy act

but still

10 dockyards built is already eh

[tepid crown]

Lmao, don’t judge my ocd

[fossil dragon]

Btw at what hour is dlc coming out

[tepid crown]

It’s 38

[daring geyser]

usa is way too weak tho for historical standards indeed

[surreal mist]

US mils are comically bad

[fossil dragon]

But for gameplay is fine

Is game after all

[surreal mist]

Bulgaria has better mils than the US

[still loom]

https://tenor.com/view/hu-tao-gif-12584214075989957840

[surreal mist]

which is crazy to think about

[daring geyser]

the fact germany can get an eco bigger than the USA with only their historical territories by doing the right collabs is ridiculous

[lusty river]

silly billy

[tepid crown]

Honestly dont even care about the industry size, but the production and the actual military stats are so bad

[surreal mist]

does us even have any effcap bonuses

[tepid crown]

Only in mio

[surreal mist]

yikes

[fossil dragon]

Well if you play any nation you allways end whit +100k guns so production don't matter

At least not after 1941

[tepid crown]

Like medium tanks get 120% but you don’t usually make tanks as USA meta

[surreal mist]

1 German mill is like, 1.5 US mills or something stupid

especially since US wants dispersed

[daring geyser]

meanwhile the USA irl

[surreal mist]

big yikes

[daring geyser]

(those estimates are on the lower side btw)

[tepid crown]

US usually does

[fossil dragon]

Preparations for operation downfall

(Us invasion of japanese home islands)

[daring geyser]

it's crazy to think about it

[lofty wing]

Will Line Artillery be much better now that the equipment cost is reduced by 1/3rd?

[daring geyser]

wehraboos really be like "nuh uh uh but muh muh muh ussr with so many soldiers" meanwhile the USA literally had a bigger land army than them

[daring geyser]

probably because of the cw reduction mostly

[surreal mist]

cost was never the problem, it was their atrocious stats

[daring geyser]

but i still dont think itll be meta

[surreal mist]

3 combat width for garbage statline was what made them bad

[daring geyser]

maybe only for the early game

[tepid crown]

Probably not

[fossil dragon]

It was always good just not the meta

[daring geyser]

nah it was trash

now it's going to be ok

but still not meta

[lofty wing]

oh i didnt even read that

[surreal mist]

Cw reduction is doctrine-specific

[daring geyser]

people are not looking at the fact tanks got massively buffed btw

the reduction from 50 to 40 in a battalion is an effective -20% ic cost per division