hoi4-general

[heavy vigil]

no

you just cant

youd have to go down the decolonization tree and just make them free

i think you can release like 3? recently added tags

sokotro, biafra and bahrain

maybe theres like 2 more idk

[craggy trail]

Mhm, but well I've gotten this far on my second run so i'm not giving up now

[opal nymph]

I make like 18 refineries

And a lot of planes

[marsh ravine]

fighter 1 or what

cos 3 tanks has to be like 15 mils max

i feel like

[opal nymph]

Yeah

[marsh ravine]

ahhh

[opal nymph]

I make a ton of mid planes to destroy the crap planes of the AI

[marsh ravine]

ig that works

i perfer to just make civ than mil for f1 if im gonna do meds

[opal nymph]

But i have like 30 on tanks by late 38

[marsh ravine]

also i would probably just deal with interwar

[opal nymph]

But I only start making mediums early 38

[marsh ravine]

yeh thats just too late to get alot out

[opal nymph]

And i dont do conversion stuff

[marsh ravine]

cos for me at least i convert in late 38-early 39

[marsh ravine]

conversion in general or constant state conversion?

i dont do csc cos im super lazy

[opal nymph]

Uh

[marsh ravine]

basically normal conversion

[opal nymph]

I dont make cheap tanks that i then put a good gun into

[marsh ravine]

or do you use the funni ratios

[marsh ravine]

normal then

[opal nymph]

I just put a close support gun and then I convert to medium howitzer when I get it

Either way, works against the AI

[marsh ravine]

👍 so yeh just normal conversion like i do

[opal nymph]

Because i have 2k CAS

Well when I mean convert

I still have the CSG tanks in the field

I just dont bother converting the old to the new

[marsh ravine]

oh

[opal nymph]

I have my short gun pz 4s with my long guns lol

[marsh ravine]

i dont field any tanks till i have at2/whatever the arty tech is

i conv all to them

deploy

then when i get at3/howi 2 i conv all to that

[opal nymph]

I dont even bother with AT, howitzer tanks do wonders and the piercing from AA is enough in vanilla

You see why I avoid sheep's mod like the plague lol

[marsh ravine]

most of my sp games are just testbuilds for mp lol

so i have to int into at

[marsh ravine]

do tank japan i dare u

in sheep mod

[opal nymph]

Oh god

[marsh ravine]

iirc it actually sorta works u just gotta sorta throw air

[opal nymph]

I did win as China in sheep's mod

Ichi go means nothing

[marsh ravine]

cos the only reason japan doesnt do it is cos of ic iirc

[marsh ravine]

ichi go helps alot for player japan imo

means u just sorta melt china

[opal nymph]

True

But, I held Beijing

[marsh ravine]

you could do the casey div for china

[marsh ravine]

🔥

BARE MINIMUM!!

[opal nymph]

I didn't even annex the warlords

[marsh ravine]

same

[opal nymph]

I had the United Front and I pushed to Korea and won

[marsh ravine]

i go the kill warlords side

[opal nymph]

Thought it would be harder to be fair

[heavy vigil]

Yeah japan ai sucks

[marsh ravine]

but dont do the focuses

until i kill japan

[heavy vigil]

They do a very reasonable build but it has no crit

[marsh ravine]

cos i love stability

@heavy vigil heavy tank or light tank japan build

meds r obvi best cos u just do mc2 amphib

[opal nymph]

Heavy would probably roll over Chinese militia

[heavy vigil]

Light because you dont have MIO or tech for heavies

[marsh ravine]

im thinking war with allies

if u can get actual heavies out for china

im surprsied

[opal nymph]

Heavies allow you to flex on the enemy

Style points

[heavy vigil]

If AAT doesnt exist then you can do heavies btw

If you disable AAT only

[marsh ravine]

but did u know that having support light tank in ur divs as japan helps alot in china war cos u dont get pierced iirc

might just be vanilla tho

i havent done it in sheeps mod properly

i dont think

[opal nymph]

No shot, does China not invest in higher tier guns?

[heavy vigil]

They only have AA support at best which they cant afford

[heavy vigil]

Its a 1937 war

[opal nymph]

I know 1939 start date China does not have 1936 guns researched

[heavy vigil]

How do you expect them to have gun 2

1939 gun

Widely equipped

[marsh ravine]

for vanilla at least its just cos they start with gun0 and producing alot of gun1 is just actually difficult

[opal nymph]

Idk

[marsh ravine]

and sheep mod id just guess

you have more gun1

but even if u int into gun2 as china

u cap

[heavy vigil]

Disp or conc china

[marsh ravine]

before u r supposed to get it

[marsh ravine]

conc gun0 till u get gun2

🔥

my favourite shitter nation tactic

@opal nymph yk china with only gun0 can hold japan

in sheep mod

i did it

its v fun

if u have actual skill u can probably hold beijing, definitely hold jinan but i had 0 hands cos it was mp so i just inted all the way back to nanjing

after losing jinan

[opal nymph]

Well when I get new guns, I keep producing old guns, but add new factories to new guns until I build up efficiency

But sounds like a fun challenge

[marsh ravine]

its literally just a micro test

with ls n shit

cos it will get pushed

u just need to do hella reinforcing

also @opal nymph only garrison shandong for first couple months cos thats where ai japan invades (iirc the order is shandong, sometimes behind tianjin, shanghai, fuzhou area)

maybe brick would work idk but i dont think u get the reinforce rate

[regal heron]

bro always attack when im not prepared

[night bison]

If I play as Germany in historical mode do I have to invade Poland in 1939?

[heavy vigil]

You dont have to do anything

Its more of a sandbox game

[night bison]

Even when using historical?

[heavy vigil]

No one is forcing you

It would be best for you to attack in like 1938

But youre not forced to

[split bane]

You don't have to if you don't want to, you can even offer them Slovakia in exchange for Danzig

[night bison]

I’ve used Italy as a learning thing now I’m torn between playing as Germany or playing as Canada

[heavy vigil]

Take the middle ground and play ireland?

[night bison]

Play Ireland and conquer the British empire… that could be fun

[heavy vigil]

Ireland has no content btw so it is quite hard

But generic tree means you can get gun 3 in 1939

So thats nice

[split bane]

I don't see how Ireland is in the middle of Canada or Germany

[heavy vigil]

On the mercator map theres only 2 nations in between

[night bison]

It’s a toss up between Canada or Germany because those two have a lot of steam achievements

[heavy vigil]

Maybe 3/4 if iceland/netherlands

But really just play any nation you enjoy

And like dont ignore the fact you have to read stuff to be better

[craggy trail]

It's finally over! I don't have to painfully go through America anymore. I guess it's because the other china was not in a faction so it pretty much guaranteed a peace conference @tulip thorn @eternal palm

[heavy vigil]

World conquest?

Actually idk if you have to start as brazil for the brazil wc archievement

But theres a few you can do i think when not starting as a nation

[craggy trail]

You would have to start as brazil for that

If only I knew germany went for tsingtao in the peace deal, I wouldn't have to go that far

[split bane]

You can't release yourself as Brazil and take over Portugal afterwards? Actually that would be super tedious and I don't think anybody would want to do that

[craggy trail]

I spent 10 hours on this playthrough. I don't want to continue fighting America anymore.

[heavy vigil]

:p thats fair

[craggy trail]

Checked off my list

[ripe slate]

I can show something similar

[toxic cypress]

dam bruh until 51

i cant play portugal that long

[heavy vigil]

marijn im doing a congo game what doctrine should i take

[ripe slate]

Each marker is a year in Rt56

Idk why 1937 was so slow compared to what I just said, I did optimize Road to 56 a little since

[ripe slate]

I always take SF

[heavy vigil]

sfp?

its one of the doctrines for sure

[ripe slate]

Mhm

[winged field]

justify as soon as you have 50pp, you can get poland in like 1937 without them getting guarantees

free factories

[heavy vigil]

axis vs north american alliance and benelux who will win

[royal marten]

Made up language

[fair horizon]

my money is on the benelux

[violet veldt]

yall ever hate when you play modded and you just like

don't wanna play vanilla anymore

but you goootta

to learn how the game works

I hate sucking at hoi4 chat

[royal marten]

Can't relate

[heavy vigil]

chat rate the tank

[royal marten]

Was zur Hölle?!

[dusky burrow]

the tank model lmao

honestly that's a pretty normal tank

[heavy vigil]

playing congo so i wanted something accurate to the production capacity

[dusky burrow]

5.85 ic is pretty cheap for 24 tanks per div

140 ic per division xd

[heavy vigil]

im bored im gonna get a better tank chassis

[dusky burrow]

boredom is real

sad that you can't upgrade from HV1

like you can't upgrade this tank

[heavy vigil]

im getting howi techs

ok so

im gonna have to pick a medium model

let me give some options

[royal marten]

25% reliability and congo

[dusky burrow]

imagine if they had a light tank weapon with like 100+ piercing

[dusky burrow]

oof

if they're using the tanks as mainline

[heavy vigil]

which one looks the most appealing

[dusky burrow]

my pick would be the vickers medium (aka the last one)

[heavy vigil]

also these all are deliberately kinda bad looking because im trying to LARP the tank program in my head

[dreamy moat]

Should I get CK3 or HOI4?

[heavy vigil]

ck3 is more beginner friendly but hoi4 more replayable imo

[royal marten]

3rd

[dreamy moat]

Alright thanks

[regal heron]

aw i almost got it

[austere basin]

Why tf do italians get shocked when some random city in finland gets lost? Like not even a core or anything.

We've lost petsamo all hope is ruined

[ornate marlin]

how bad is the screen tearing in say, 1943?

[ripe slate]

Never noticed any

[eternal palm]

Screentearing? If you have screentear maybe check your gpu and your drivers

[regal heron]

what are the point 🥀

[eternal palm]

Let's fking go dude

[mystic zinc]

Um

Is this canon to hoi4 lore

[eternal palm]

Yes 💀

[heavy vigil]

No modern politics please.

Which im pretty sure thats after ww2

[tulip thorn]

Epic

[cold marten]

guys, how feasible is this?

(as China)

[lapis elk]

possibly…

[eternal palm]

Very

China is easy

[finite plume]

Didn't you send this a few hours ago?

[cold marten]

ye but everyone was asleep

[cold marten]

also, the question in that one was should I do it, not how feasible it is

[finite plume]

Not really much point, Idt China gets much cores outside the mainland

And it has so much core population that there's no need to invade for puppet manpower

[cold marten]

but, Eastasia

also, if only we had Eastasia, Eurasia, and Oceania formables

[finite plume]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-holding-head-cat-sad-cat-rahh-wahhhh-gif-11843610789762008433

[heavy vigil]

man the congo sucks

[cold marten]

oh, it's that time of any Russian warlord state in TNO

waiting for 1969 so you can actually unify Russia

[sudden thistle]

THATS WHAT IT IS CALLED

I have been having it for months and I couldn’t describe it properly

[eternal palm]

lol

Maybe enable V-Sync and see if it does anything

[sudden thistle]

It does nothing

But pressing the windows button seems to fix it

Idk why

[eternal palm]

have u restarted the game?

[sudden thistle]

No just on my computer at general

[eternal palm]

Oh ok

[sudden thistle]

It happens on every app

[eternal palm]

sure ur monitor isnt broken 💀

[sudden thistle]

It’s working enough

When I can’t see color I will get a new one

[slim nexus]

Bro I heard the FBI are searching for new Staff

[ornate marlin]

i meant to say lag mb

[unkempt wasp]

https://youtu.be/audMhJIcN08?si=ARsvFjBwSbMYhGXL

[regal heron]

i hate mountains

[viscid stirrup]

the problem isnt the mountain, its the size of the tile

[regal heron]

both

[tulip thorn]

Mountains do provide extra debuffs, its not just the combat width

[viscid stirrup]

they barely reduce the speed and supply flow

like only 30%

[eternal palm]

Like scale attack to 50%

[remote quarry]

hint: change the mech to mountaineers

[tulip thorn]

Yeah exactly

[eternal palm]

"Only" 30% 💀

[solemn bay]

This model is so goofy

[dense pelican]

Anarcho-communism be like

[eternal palm]

That's like saying I'm only missing 1/3th of the vehicle

[tulip thorn]

Im sure 1/3 of the vehicle is just as effective

Thats like the body and maybe the rims

[remote quarry]

are you seeing 30% penalty on the template? 💀

[regal heron]

no thanks

🥀

[tulip thorn]

Why not

[regal heron]

i'll wait for 30d

[tulip thorn]

You want to attack through mountains right

Use mountaineers

[regal heron]

ok mr

[copper sluice]

pov u conquer 90% of france and get 3% war participation

[eternal palm]

That's what u get for doing it too fast lol

[copper sluice]

not my fault that the french get overran by 15 divisions

at least I got southern france with most of the resources

[daring geyser]

@silent oxide casey is insulting you

[austere basin]

had a race to see who could reach berlin first. congrats to Vecchiarelli

[valid prairie]

my capitals have been acting really weird

i have all 3 major russian cities back under my control

yet my capital is still vladivostok

[tulip thorn]

I have one question

Why are you using cavalry

[fleet zenith]

@strong belfry

[regal heron]

i swear to god why russian and chinese doesnt have supply hub 🥀 im suffering after get their land

[regal heron]

bru

bro choose to fight everyone by himself

[copper sluice]

why do you have lalo salamanca as ur field marshall

[safe oyster]

💔

[idle onyx]

Bro why does UK guarantee every country tho

[icy crescent]

Democratic nations see when you are justifying or have war goals on another nation.
And if you generated the most or much world tension, democratic nations tend to be protective.

[regal heron]

finally 🥀

[copper sluice]

they have chosen death

[icy crescent]

They are armed with Bananas.
Watch out.

[eternal palm]

If u cause more than 25% wt it does that

[icy crescent]

https://tenor.com/e9rVLmZ2IHX.gif

[eternal palm]

Can be fixed by justifying on random ass countries and making guarantees too expensive

[copper sluice]

can I not subjugate countries that are in my faction

[eternal palm]

Oof

[idle onyx]

Ok

[icy crescent]

Usually not, no.
There are some exceptions depending on focus tree, but usually no.

[copper sluice]

Mexico, Buenos Aires, Santiago and 72 others

[copper sluice]

it has been reduced to 1%

[sweet bone]

dude i was just trying to do a habsburg run wtf is this

[fringe shell]

i have player lead peace conference mod allies aint getting shit

[copper sluice]

wtff

[sudden thistle]

Normal

[fringe shell]

i started winning

[daring geyser]

easily feasible

[hardy flax]

hi

[hasty linden]

rate my division template

[sturdy sonnet]

why did you give up sudetenland

germany is pretty weak early on

you can just defend and eat up his resources

[astral turret]

nice u can dig in your ships in sea

[bright matrix]

Hey

Does anyone know the navy's meta?

Can someone explain to me all the ship classes and which ones are worth using?

[sudden thistle]

heavy cruiser: not worth it
Carrier: best
Battleship. Only used as AA I think
Light cruiser: other best
Destroyer: lose too much ic for what they do, unless u do roach torp destroyers
Submarines: yeah

I may have forgotten one

But meta is just light cruiser spam

With carriers if u want

And only put carried NAV’s on them

[heavy vigil]

Torp 3 dd spam:

[sudden thistle]

I’m good

Double it and give it the next person

[bright matrix]

How to use Carrier, light cruiser and submarines? Designers

What kind of research is it worth doing?

[heavy vigil]

None

Light attack and naval bomber attack are good

Get those

Carriers have 10x more plane efficiency than land based planes + dont require plane range

[sudden thistle]

Submarines just need torp and u win

I think sub hulls are mostly the only thing worth to research

Most countries u do navy as start with great naval techs

Carrier design

Just max out the hangar space

Some AA, radar, and armour won’t hurt

[heavy vigil]

Did you know theres 2 countries that start with a navy but no dockyards?

[sudden thistle]

Casey do u remember if armour is worth on carriers

[sudden thistle]

Finland?

[heavy vigil]

Why would you

It increases hp

They get targetted more

[heavy vigil]

Siam and peru

[sudden thistle]

Siam has a navy?

[heavy vigil]

Yes!

It could even beat the latvian navy i think

[sudden thistle]

What is it like 2 cruisers, a sub, and 5 destroyers?

[sudden thistle]

THEY HAVE A NAVY????

[heavy vigil]

Ambitious

[heavy vigil]

Yes!

The smallest one in the game

In terms of like supremacy anyway

Siam, like colombia and uruguay only starts with 1 destroyer

But peru has a few heavy cruisers (like 2? iirc) and some subs and destroyers

Which is odd because again they have no dockyards while colombia and uruguay do

Despite having smaller fleets

[sudden thistle]

If they have no dockyards

Where do the boats sit in peacetime

[heavy vigil]

Port

They have ports

[sudden thistle]

Oh yeah I’m stupid 💀

[heavy vigil]

But then theres other odd thingd

Things*

Theres only 2 countries who can use the pre dreadnought hull i believe

Of course germany, but greece starts with a pre dreadnought

[dawn mango]

15 days till dlc

[trim rivet]

we get somthing

[sudden thistle]

This is hoi4

Not warhammer

[slim nexus]

Indeed

[daring geyser]

german ai decided to start cooking

[tiny iris]

Guys, what do we think about this strategy. I am used to going a full concentrated panzer force on the middle, quickly taking Poznan while other forces are advancing in an equal line. But this time I decided to change my strategy and use 3 concentrated forces. The upper one is made to take Eastern Prussia and reunite the Polish corridor then we can use the combined forces to make an unstoppable advance then the middle one is of course aimed at Warzaw, the capital then the bottom one is aimed at Krakow. And they won't stop advancing until they hit the last major city of Litewski which will fall without problems.

[heavy vigil]

get austria and czechs first

and tbh you can just keep poland alive to grind generals if you want to have better generals

just need to take the airfields

[tiny iris]

Yeah ik just wanted to ask if it was a good strategy.

[heavy vigil]

sounds pretty good

[tiny iris]

Ok, thanks.

[heavy vigil]

i usually just click with tank and move forward

[glossy void]

any way to turn the ace pilot promoted screen off?

[craggy trail]

I got some formable to form

[craggy trail]

Decisions tab

[tiny iris]

Omg, I took this random low level general to take control of the Panzar volenteers in Spain and this is how he returned.

[craggy trail]

So I forgot about air power and some of my MIOs. Made some changes and defeated America.

[eternal palm]

WHY OH GOD WHY

Pls never do this again 😭

[fading elk]

So if u have a NAP with a nation let’s say Romania

And u attack a nation they gaurentee

Will they still fight u

Also what happens if u attack a nation guaranteed by a member of ur alliance

[proper grail]

hello hearts of iron

[honest vale]

Can someone lowk gift me a DLC out of boredom

[grand wolf]

Sup fellow hoi4 no lifers

I am not a bot😐

[frozen badge]

https://tenor.com/view/what-you-sure-you-sure-about-that-dog-watching-gif-26139783

thats what a bot would say

[grand wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/finn-finland-cick-bald-gif-20662247

[frozen badge]

your finnish?

[grand wolf]

@kind vale ban this account its my old one

[grand wolf]

Parents are

[frozen badge]

oh and you are?

[grand wolf]

Ye

[neat kayak]

I am losing my mind with this stupid aussa rng

[grand wolf]

But im like everything else as well

[frozen badge]

what you live in like sweden or some

[grand wolf]

Nah usa

[frozen badge]

https://tenor.com/view/please-speed-i-need-this-speed-my-moms-kinda-homeless-speed-why-you-trying-not-to-laugh-ishowspeed-gif-7639010365317789786

https://tenor.com/view/freak-radar-detected-gif-11320396049810991446

[craggy trail]

[frozen badge]

https://tenor.com/view/no-yes-ok-yes-no-maybe-gif-4215261154783028917

angetreten

[tiny iris]

Not a bad tactic... not a bad tactic...

[marble igloo]

imagine letting poland join the allies instead of immediately justifying on them 🙂

[tiny iris]

It will ruin the MEFO stuff.

And besides, I am gonna fight the allies anyways.

[proper grail]

Hi guys, what is the current meta land doctrine/infantry template? i didn't play this game for a while

[hot patrol]

2 width attack division

[marble igloo]

infantry doctrine = mass mob strat. 18 width infantry, logistics, anti-air, artillery, rangers, engineers for defensive, when you get to human wave offensive, add 2 infantry to the template to get to 17.X width aka 18width again

In addition to the infantry, you mass fighters+cas

[hot patrol]

man metas are so sad, i wish you didn't have to have THE BEST stuff to win

[proper grail]

thanks you 🙏🏻

[marble igloo]

If you don't want plane strats with them, you can make an offensive tank division mot/med or mech/med to break and encircle lines

or a budget 25 width or 30 width mountaineers division,

using mountaineers+arty

[brittle cypress]

You don’t need the best stuff to win against the ai

[marble igloo]

you DON'T

but it makes the game a lot faster

[brittle cypress]

Well yeah that’s the point of making good designs

[marble igloo]

Also if you're playing china or finland..... just stick with the 12 width

[brittle cypress]

For them to be good

[hot patrol]

in general though, its a shame theres a direct best approach

for anything

[proper grail]

what about navy? last time i played this game like 6 years ago you could just spam light destroyers and win everything

[marble igloo]

china's issue is getting enough mils to get the build online + the bad debuffs, finland's issue is getting the manpower

[snow rain]

vision of horror

[brittle cypress]

Spam light cruisers instead

they’re better

[marble igloo]

roach destroyers, light cruisers, and heavy cruisers

[hot patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-even-eat-cottage-cheese-who-told-her-to-eat-cottage-cheese-james-harden-tweaking-unc-tweaking-cottage-cheese-unc-gif-12465620793977293909

[snow rain]

roach DDs are basically a waste tbf
heavy cruisers just suck

[marble igloo]

Basically, trash cheap destroyer to tank hits, cruiser with a ton of light attack to destroy screens, cruiser with a ton of heavy attack to destroy capitals

[brittle cypress]

Where is this heavy cruiser thing coming from smh

Bad ship

[snow rain]

the heavy cruisers can't deal with capitals

[marble igloo]

Nobody uses the wombo-combo but me?

hm

[snow rain]

they don't have enough piercing to pierce lvl 1 BB armor

[marble igloo]

level 2 naval guns?

[proper grail]

thanks bud 🙏🏻

[snow rain]

so they deal way less damage
best to just do light cruisers they'll also do less damage but you stack so much of it that it doesn't matter

[marble igloo]

oh there is the third option

submarines with anecohic tiles

[heavy vigil]

Isnt it the same amount?

[marble igloo]

near-undetectable to the AI

planes still tend to find them somehow....

[snow rain]

just do light cruisers with loads of light atk and 6-7 piercing

• a few BBs (those you start with) and 4 carriers full of nav

[snow rain]

I remember testing it and it wasn't, you need lvl 3 heavy cruiser guns or good MIO upgrade to pierce lvl 1

you can pierce BCs though (thankfully)

[marble igloo]

interesting, guess i'll need to change up my future runs

[heavy vigil]

france starts with gun 2

[marble igloo]

Most majors start with gun 2

[snow rain]

im gonna check the stats again brb

[marble igloo]

what's the minimum piercing needed to get past battleship armor 2?

[proper grail]

I had to look this up and you should research this through the scientists right?

like it's not in the basic research

[craggy trail]

Yes

It's a special project

[proper grail]

right

[marble igloo]

1936 sub + naval facility.

and it uses rubber to make the submarines

but god do they do wonders in every area but shallow sea

i've sunk the british navy plenty of times with them and some spotting cruisers

[proper grail]

😂

great

[marble igloo]

oh right i forgot one of the most important things

to sink an enemy navy, you need to find it

Cheap cruiser with all catapult launching thingy

for max detection, with radar and sonar

[snow rain]

@heavy vigil
nope, lvl 2 heavy cruiser battery is 25 piercing, lvl 1 bb armor is 30 armor

[marble igloo]

You have 1 cruiser in a group by itself, set it to patrol with DO NOT ENGAGE

[snow rain]

you can't even pierce lvl 2 BC armor

[marble igloo]

huh, dang

i need to check something now

[snow rain]

wait it's even worse than that

[heavy vigil]

heavy attack is so trash besides for naval invasions lol

[snow rain]

lvl 3 heavy cruiser battery has 29 piercing

can't even pierce interwar BB with 1940 tech 💀

[marble igloo]

is this using only 1 gun on the ship, or all guns?

[snow rain]

doesn't matter, it's a flat amount (which is then averaged around the ship modules)

[proper grail]

thanks again, I appreciate there are still people out here that actually help people when they ask, and I just don't get the redditor treatment as usual when i'm asking something

[marble igloo]

anecohic subs+spotting cruisers is usually my budget navy when playing minor countries

[proper grail]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[snow rain]

the reddit's useful when people actually know what they're talking about. I swear I have to defend that line arty is ass and heavy cruisers aren't meta in half the posts about them against a horde of singleplayer-only players

[marble igloo]

if you start with something like italy, UK, japan, or USA, building an actual navy is better since you start with most things you need

and if you start france, you have more important things to worry about than a navy, and also start with the foundation.

[proper grail]

yeah but most of the time when you ask for help there you just get ridiculed because the people there are just sad barely sentient beings that just want to feel better about themselves

[proper grail]

ok, but what do you mean by actual navy, like including every type of ship?

[marble igloo]

this essentially

[proper grail]

ooh

[snow rain]

to be fair, most of the players that post could have the answer by typing the same question in the google search bar and find a post 2 days old about the exact same issue with an answer in the top comments

[proper grail]

alr

[proper grail]

yeah i'm just using chatgpt for the past 2 years, but sometimes you need a real, personal explanation from a person who knows their stuff

[marble igloo]

So i had to check how armor vs piercing works

[fringe shell]

can you tell me wtf is going on here

i mean

they won and

stay here

[marble igloo]

Armor only provides a damage reduction, BUT doesn't completely remove the damage

[snow rain]

as all armor stats do in the game

otherwise SHBBs would be brken (nothing but SHBBs and torps can pierce them)

[brittle cypress]

I think this would be fair and balanced

[snow rain]

are the encircled units not dying ?

[marble igloo]

Heavy piercing on a battleship with level 2 guns, ties with the armor of the level 2 battleship armor at 36. Level 2 guns on a cruiser is 12 points lower than battleship armor in piercing, but 15 points higher than standard cruiser armor and 3 points lower than level 2 battlecruiser armor.

[fringe shell]

yeah

[brittle cypress]

If you’re not pierced you should take 0 damage

Trust me guys

[snow rain]

fall back from the tile they're attacking, they should die then

[fringe shell]

https://medal.tv/pl/games/hearts-of-iron-iv/clips/lrPPSJL07SPhqR7IY?invite=cr-MSwwNmksMzMxMDA4MTEy&v=6

[marble igloo]

So heavy cruisers = beats anything but battleships and level 2 armor battlecruisers in piercing

[fringe shell]

look

[snow rain]

ik what's happening, it's been there for about a year now iirc

[snow rain]

heavy cruisers lose to torp DDs and light attack cruisers

[fringe shell]

finnaly

it disapeard

[marble igloo]

So i think i have a better idea for naval forces

Depending on how torpedos work

[snow rain]

they bypass enemy armor but have low accuracy which is then reduced by ship's speed

but overhaul they're a coin toss and too costly for what they do

there's a reason the naval meta is so locked

[marble igloo]

Now when you say meta, you mean multiplayer meta?

Or fastest way to beat the ai?

[snow rain]

they're the same

if you don't count subs but they're not fast

[marble igloo]

Is it pure light cruisers then, or a mix of destroyers+light cruisers?

And which carrier type is the best?

[snow rain]

only light cruisers, SHBBs or whatever heavy ships you have on hand with 4 carriers (5 if you're willing to somewhat usebug)

[snow rain]

the ones with biggest air capacity

[marble igloo]

what is a SHBB?

[snow rain]

super heavy battleship

[marble igloo]

but that requires research

so it'd be regular battleships until unlocking them i assume, for the heavy piercing?

[snow rain]

acts as screen for carriers (increases their damage output, attracks enemy planes because of high IC and have loads of armor -don't take much damage- and have lots of AA)

[fringe shell]

this mf just kicked me btw

[snow rain]

don't build any heavy ship other than SHBB. Use those you have on hand otherwise
If you're building something from scratch, then 6 battleships as AA platforms (1 heavy gun, then all AA, best armor) will do fine for 4 carriers

[marble igloo]

Assume from scratch always. Some people want to play minor countries vs the ai

[snow rain]

true

[fringe shell]

nah its ragebaiting

[snow rain]

in SP you can just spam out light cruisers

[marble igloo]

I want a navy from nothing. let's say i have 30 dockyards to work with

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/stands-online-gif-21404429

[snow rain]

no need for anything else. SHBBs and Carriers will wipe anything but they're not required

[marble igloo]

30 is the usual amount i can take from AIs on land

[snow rain]

then only light cruisers or subs

[heavy vigil]

For what purpose

[marble igloo]

Alright, so what is the exact design of the light cruiser, and is it the 1936 or the 1940 one?

[marble igloo]

beat every AI in the game in a naval fight

[snow rain]

gonna give you one, gimme a sec

[heavy vigil]

Winning battles or like just getting supremacy

Or being really annoying

[marble igloo]

Destroy every enemy navy in the game

In SP

[heavy vigil]

Which nation

[marble igloo]

Every nation

[heavy vigil]

Doesnt rlly work like that

At all

[snow rain]

kinda does in SP

[heavy vigil]

Navy with more stats in battle always wins by a large margin

[heavy vigil]

Ehhh

[marble igloo]

one at a time, i'm going to destroy, UK, France, Italy, Japan, and the USA naval forces.

[heavy vigil]

Still isnt very clear

[tiny iris]

Omg omg omg omg, this is my first time defeating Britain...

[sweet bone]

i didnt, czechoslovakia did before i made them a habsburg puppet

[marble igloo]

Is there a catch all way to do it, OR do i need to specialize to beat each one?

[heavy vigil]

Try portugal into iberia or south america

[craggy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/derpy-derpy-hooves-mlp-my-little-pony-clap-gif-15401120

[heavy vigil]

Steal navies

Make a lot of dockyards

And go for nav bomber attack + light attack

[marble igloo]

Nah, this is a challenge attempt

I'm not allowed to steal navys, only build one

[tiny iris]

I am so happy rn.

[heavy vigil]

Play iceland

[craggy trail]

Island

[marble igloo]

Let me clarify the naval challenge

[heavy vigil]

Iceland :3

[marble igloo]

Naval challenge:
Find a way using a country that does not start with a navy to do the following WITHOUT stealing a navy, only building from scratch:
You must in a way destroy all other navies around the globe:
France, UK, Japan, USA, Italy, ETC.
You must try to do so in the fastest way possible without taking over the country.
Try to avoid letting them kill off each other.

[marble igloo]

That seems like it could work for the naval challenge

[snow rain]

keep to lvl 2 meadium battery if you're short on steel (each add 1 extra steel as cost)

you can do cheaper on 1936 cruiser tbf

[heavy vigil]

Its a lot harder as iceland than like anyone else lol

But possible

[snow rain]

use secondary batteries 2 if you have them, but it requires some tech

[heavy vigil]

Also you have the issue that most nations start with a navy

[snow rain]

he said to try and guess that we're building from scratch. In any case light cruiser spam is the best thing to do as surface fleet

[marble igloo]

I could add a modifier to the challenge: if you start with 15 ships or less, you can use those, if you start with more than 15 you must delete them until you are at 15 or under

[snow rain]

like, 15ships max navy ?

[marble igloo]

Is there anything i should do to supplement the light cruiser spam. say against things like the USA where they tend to have a lot of carriers?

[heavy vigil]

Yeah with CVEs probably if you wanna be cheap

[snow rain]

would be only SHBBs with 4 carriers or sopmething

[marble igloo]

no no, starting navy 15 max

[heavy vigil]

But CVs are obviously good

[marble igloo]

then build from scratch

[heavy vigil]

Dont do SHBB vs ai

They dont have enough air up

Just replace carrier losses

[marble igloo]

so like you have a maximum of 1936 starting day, 15 ships you can keep, delete the rest, then build new ones from day 1

[heavy vigil]

Oh thats easy

Just play finland or sweden or norwya

[snow rain]

the only counter to carriers are mobile AA platforms (BBs or preferably SHBBs with loads of AA)
but in SP they're no threat

[heavy vigil]

Norway*

All nordics get spawn in ships

Which you can edit and make spawn in good ships if ur smart

[marble igloo]

The Norwegian Naval challenge

pretty isolated spot, doesn't need to worry about land combat

[heavy vigil]

Iceland is like the hardest nordic nation

[marble igloo]

just don't let anyone land a naval invasion

[heavy vigil]

Wrong reply sorry

[weak quarry]

Make the reich great again

[merry skiff]

why no dev diary

[snow rain]

guh!?

[sturdy sonnet]

huh? why didn't you rush puppeting them

[dull zinc]

Tannu Tuva

[celest fern]

tf is this suppose to mean bro

does the convoy just sail into my harbor, do nothing and then sail back?

[calm delta]

What has the millennium dawn update brought to the mod does it make the game faster and not taking 12 years for a year to go by

[calm delta]

Just don’t accept it

[north spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/juckport-1-trillion-tlt-the-lemon-tree-gif-17167510791753277119

[celest fern]

k

[calm delta]

WTF does my hoi4 crash everytime I adds a mod

[dull zinc]

It wants you to get achievements

That is the only logical explanation

[calm delta]

I have 2.5k hours with 11 achievements because I don’t do em because I’m bad

[dull zinc]

I’m the same.

2,000 hours and two achievements

[north spoke]

You have to start a new campaign I think

[calm delta]

Finally someone who is on the same shit as me

[calm delta]

Wdym

[north spoke]

You have to start a new save

[calm delta]

Vanilla hoi4 is starting to piss me off

[calm delta]

Bruh

[north spoke]

Real

[calm delta]

I can’t start a new save if the game crashes before I can get in to the menu of the mod

[north spoke]

True

[dull zinc]

Is the mod outdated/missing dependencies/made by a monkey?

[north spoke]

Do you have the right version of the game for the mod

[calm delta]

Not outdated

I was trying to play millennium dawn because I heard it got updated

[north spoke]

So option 3

Made by a monkey

[calm delta]

Fr

[dull zinc]

So did the monkey end up writing Shakespeare? Or is it still trying

[calm delta]

Who you calling a monkey

[dull zinc]

The collective consciousness of the millennium dawn development team

Not the individual devs to be clear. As far as I know they are all right

[calm delta]

Rt56 don’t even work

And it’s the right version

[dull zinc]

Now that one is strange

[calm delta]

Agreed

It’s worked before

[dull zinc]

Fallback solution A: did you select the correct play set?

[calm delta]

https://tenor.com/view/yup-dale-doback-step-brothers-yes-i-agree-gif-1579811350903017250

[dull zinc]

Fallback solution B: try turning it off and on again

[calm delta]

I’ll try

Doubt it

[dull zinc]

Fallback Solution C: hit it with a hammer.

I was joking honestly

[calm delta]

At this point

[dull zinc]

Doubt it will work

[calm delta]

No

I will not

[wheat copper]

should I play as communist hungary?

[calm delta]

I won’t let a strategy game piss me off that bad

[dull zinc]

You have two options, communist Hungary or communist Panama

[calm delta]

WTF

Ugh

[dull zinc]

I know what I would do

[calm delta]

At this point I might delete this game

Never had this before

[wheat copper]

wait what's ur problem?

[dull zinc]

Verifying files is a legitimate solution

[sudden thistle]

Any conflicting mods?

[wheat copper]

what is the problem?

[calm delta]

Nope

[dull zinc]

All mods they try to load crash the game

[warped flint]

Who should I reunfly russia as this time

[wheat copper]

bro what is the problem?

[sudden thistle]

Damn 💀

[sudden thistle]

Did u verify ur game files?

[calm delta]

Nope

[sudden thistle]

Do that then try again

[dull zinc]

Magadan

[warped flint]

Ill do them next time, I deceided to try out Tyumen

[dull zinc]

Do all the warlords have content? I haven’t looked too much into west Russian war

[calm delta]

Should I backup and clear game cache ?

[wheat copper]

wait have yall ever heard of the formable Union of Hungarian socialist republics? I wanna try and form it but idk how

[warped flint]

I am using the TNO requium mod

I believe everyone has content except the non unifers

[calm delta]

?

@dull zinc

[dull zinc]

Let me preface by saying that I am not qualified in anything tech support.

[calm delta]

Right

[tame crypt]

Just 15 more days and I get my slop 😁

[calm delta]

Idk what to do

[dull zinc]

But I would say that if verifying files didn’t work. Try reinstalling the game. I don’t know where save files are stored tho

[calm delta]

I’ll try save files wherever they are

If they don’t work then Yh

[warped flint]

Actually ima do omsk again...

[calm delta]

Help me

[dull zinc]

Is that when you load a save file?

Or when you launch the game?

[calm delta]

When I load the game

[dull zinc]

Ok, you said vanilla was working fine?

[calm delta]

Vanillia is fine

It’s just boring

Should I redownload hoi4

[dull zinc]

Ok. And just to confirm, you verified the game files in steam?

[calm delta]

How do you do that

[wheat copper]

wait bro can I ask u smth rq?

https://tenor.com/view/hoi4-hearts-of-iron-4-looksmax-sigma-sigma-face-gif-232308269668432623

[calm delta]

That is ?

[heavy vigil]

its just a mod issue

[calm delta]

All of my mods have issues when they shouldn’t

[wheat copper]

have you ever formed the Union of Hungarian socialist republics? if so was it easy and how do you do it?

[heavy vigil]

verify game files

[calm delta]

No I haven’t

[heavy vigil]

could take long

[calm delta]

And how do you that

[dull zinc]

Right click on hoi4 in the games list. Then properties then local files. If I remember correctly

[wheat copper]

oh

[dull zinc]

I’m going off of memory as I’m not at my computer currently

[calm delta]

All I got is local files

Oh

Here?

[dull zinc]

Verify integrity of game files

[calm delta]

Yh

[heavy vigil]

go there

theres a button

[calm delta]

Backup game files too?

[heavy vigil]

if u want

[dull zinc]

That shouldnt be necessary to my knowledge

[calm delta]

Okay

[cold marten]

alright, time to form Eastasia

[calm delta]

I’m gonna play vanliia for a bit then try rt56 ?

Also how do you become good at hoi4 because I can’t beat the ai in ussr never

I’m gonna play facist Hungary

What’s a good build for Hungary is inf good for em or light tanks air ?

?

[fringe shell]

usa when it is my allie

[dull zinc]

Historical Hungary? Maybe not tanks, probably just infantry and air if you can afford it.

[sudden thistle]

Just play more

[calm delta]

I have 2k hours

And I’m still bad

[sudden thistle]

💀

[calm delta]

Hey

[sudden thistle]

That’s on u bro

[calm delta]

No

[dull zinc]

I’m also bad after 2k hours. I just play to have fun

[calm delta]

You irl

[calm delta]

Not really

I’m good in mp but not in sp

[meager nest]

any tips for ottomans?

when i played and invaded greece they joined comintern

[calm delta]

Survive

[sharp sierra]

how

[sudden thistle]

It is significantly harder to be good at mp than be good at sp

[calm delta]

Literally played Germany and took over everything apart from USA and ussr

In sp

[meager nest]

(meanwhile germany was at war with the soviets because finland took leningrad and joined axis by 1940 while they never even took sudetenland)

[calm delta]

What

[meager nest]

idk i had a stroke typing that

[dull zinc]

I tried multiplayer once and failed taking Ethiopia as Italy.

[calm delta]

Looked like it

[meager nest]

yeah that run was so scuffed

ethiopia beat italy 😭

[calm delta]

Happens bro

[dull zinc]

I can’t comprehend what’s happening if I’m not able to pause every 10 seconds lol

[sudden thistle]

What kind of mp games yall be playing

[calm delta]

Good ones

Bros thinks he’s good at hoi4

I’m bored so I’m saying random shit

[tulip thorn]

Hello bored

[calm delta]

Hello zesty

[tulip thorn]

Crazy

[calm delta]

I’m bored

But my name isn’t that

[tulip thorn]

Hello bored

[calm delta]

Hello zester

[fringe shell]

peace deals🥀

[tulip thorn]

ok ok ok

[calm delta]

[dull zinc]

Have you ever felt the need to make a pineapple shaped Eiffel Tower made of plastic dinosaur?

[sudden thistle]

I mean it’s better to learn mp with friends anyway

[calm delta]

WTF did I just read

[dull zinc]

Am I unique in that need?

[calm delta]

Yep

[sudden thistle]

Whatever floats or sinks ur boat

[tulip thorn]

The humble sheeps mod ai

Best mod ever

[sudden thistle]

Blue five?

[calm delta]

Yet it’s outdated

[sudden thistle]

Yeah

Very fun for noobs to learn with

Trust

[dull zinc]

Sheep’s ai?

[sudden thistle]

Try it

[tulip thorn]

If you want to learn mp, sheeps mod is the way to go

[calm delta]

It’s outdated I tried

[sudden thistle]

It’s not?

[tulip thorn]

Atleast the ai wont kick you or trash talk lol

[sudden thistle]

I played it yesterday

[dull zinc]

I mean it worked last time I used it

[tulip thorn]

Same

[calm delta]

The one I found was

[sudden thistle]

Lemme send u the actual link for it

Prob the wrong one

[dull zinc]

You are probably thinking expert ai maybe

[sudden thistle]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3265939166

The more AI-focused on:

• Doesn't have Santa Soviet Union
• Will go on as the main mod

[calm delta]

Whatever makes me better idc

[sudden thistle]

Yeah that one cheats :|

[dull zinc]

Anyone hear a navy made of seals?

[tulip thorn]

Sheeps ai is fun

[heavy vigil]

CA mod supremacy fr (ive never played it)

[sudden thistle]

Doesn’t that one cheat like way way more

I never tried it

[heavy vigil]

Yes

[calm delta]

Will this mod help me get good ?

[sudden thistle]

It should

And please don’t use a guide, be a normal person and do trail by fire

[dull zinc]

Any recommendations for a Soviet Union mod?

[calm delta]

Huh?

[dull zinc]

Trial by fire le cannon

[calm delta]

Do you mean do it yourself without looking for help Yh ?

[sudden thistle]

No, by like finding a guide on YouTube and following it step by step

[calm delta]

Nah I won’t follow a guide I’ll learn

Or do I need to follow a guide

[dull zinc]

The hoi4 tutorial will teach you everything you need to know

It’s especially effective at explaining navy

[calm delta]

What I’m saying is do I need to watch a video about this or just play it and learn

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-discord-mlp-applejack-fluttershy-pinkie-pie-gif-7882998825598629891

[calm delta]

https://tenor.com/view/zester-gif-7984470046218623452

[tulip thorn]

Why the camera

[calm delta]

Because I caught you as a zester in 4k

[tulip thorn]

ok

[calm delta]

I mean it’s 2025 be anyone you wanna be

[tulip thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295333970682183796/1368975677436461106/caption.gif

[dull zinc]

Can I be a failure?

[tulip thorn]

Yes

[dull zinc]

Is being a failure a sustainable career path?

[calm delta]

Play the mod too my friend let’s get good together

[calm delta]

Not where I’m gonna be next year

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/zester-gif-7984470046218623452

Oooo someone just posted a modern politician in general

[calm delta]

Wasn’t doing polictal

My bad

[dull zinc]

Yeah let’s do a Baltic entente game! Just need one more person

[tulip thorn]

no like posting them is just a big no no

No matter what situation

[calm delta]

I forgot 🙁

[dull zinc]

Is dog photo an acceptable post in this channel?

[tulip thorn]

You might want to delete that

[sweet bone]

It was before i even puppeted austria so bad luck ig

[calm delta]

Yes

[calm delta]

Is it a boy or girl

[dull zinc]

Girl

[calm delta]

She’s cute

I love dogs

This is my dog

[dull zinc]

We need a pets channel. Unless there is already one.

[calm delta]

There is

[dull zinc]

Doggo!

[calm delta]

Whoops

[calm delta]

He’s max but I call him maxmus desmus miradas

Cos he goes crazy

He’s mad max

[dull zinc]

I have failed in following the channel guidelines. I apologize to the discord gods!

[calm delta]

Indeed

Indeed have too

[dull zinc]

Amazing dog!

[calm delta]

Thank you

[heavy vigil]

yeah theres one

[dull zinc]

I have failed to follow the channel guidelines and for that I apologize great moderator

[calm delta]

Again, I have failed to follow the channel guidelines and for that I apologize great moderator

I’ll apologise too

Is the ai just really good with this mod

[calm delta]

How old are you if you don’t mind me asking

[dull zinc]

19

[calm delta]

Same

[calm delta]

With sheep’s mod?

[quiet vessel]

im making a romania mod but i have no idea where to begin with the political paths... im thinking a commie, fascist, king, democratic and a hist path.. i just need help with making the historical path because romania politics kind of suck and very confusing if somebody could just give me a breakdown

[heavy vigil]

its ok

its better than vanilla

[calm delta]

Ok just trying to get better

[dreamy moat]

just got the game

why is there so much stuff on my screen

[hallow pike]

Ye

[dreamy moat]

so much to do

and understand

[hallow pike]

I recommend you watch bittersteel great totorials

And fun to wtach

[hallow pike]

what nation did you choose

[dreamy moat]

yugoslavia

[hallow pike]

thats a very bad nation to start with

[dreamy moat]

lol

[hallow pike]

you get invaded from germany and italy

plus its gimmickey and weird

[dreamy moat]

yea thats hwy i wanted to try and defend

[hallow pike]

how many hours do you have on this game or did you just download it

[dreamy moat]

30 minutes

[hallow pike]

i would recommend turkey

or argentina or romania

all of those are great

[quiet vessel]

or just play germany

no need to play sum out there countries

[hallow pike]

no

[quiet vessel]

how its brain dead easy

it was my first country

[dreamy moat]

turkey is cool

[hallow pike]

germany focus tree is big confusing

[hallow pike]

ye

[quiet vessel]

just watch a guide

or the usa

small ahh focus tree

[hallow pike]

you also get the formable ottomen empire

[quiet vessel]

huge industry

[hallow pike]

too many naval stuff

[dreamy moat]

now thatssick

[hallow pike]

ik

[quiet vessel]

fym too much naval stuff

[hallow pike]

is my first country too'

[quiet vessel]

i didnt even use my navy when i played us

[dreamy moat]

i need to stay under 2 hours so i can refund the gamne and then buy it on sale

[quiet vessel]

for the first time

[hallow pike]

uhh you have to dday germany ?

yu have to make a fleet ?

[quiet vessel]

thats easy

[quiet vessel]

you already have a huge fleet

literally just put them on strike force its like 3 clicks

[hallow pike]

i find the naval stuff a little overwhelming

[quiet vessel]

and you + british navy means germany stands no chance

[calm delta]

Play Germany best nation to start hoi4 on

[hallow pike]

ye but he isnt even gonna make marines what the point

[quiet vessel]

real

[cold marten]

why is China so bad to play

[quiet vessel]

when you play as germany you can just battle plan everything

dont even need to micro

except everybody's canon event of losing to poland 😭

[hallow pike]

its not you just gotta subjugate the war ords and the 200 f- naval invasions from japan

[quiet vessel]

yet bro wont play germany 😭

[calm delta]

Germany is the best to start with tbh

[hallow pike]

it takes a lot of time because its a major plus playing somethig like turkey you can choose whatever side is winning the war and they will carry you

[quiet vessel]

if you have difficulty with germany you might as well just quit the game

[cold marten]

but like, the best you can do it annex all of China and maybe puppet Japan, Korea and Indochina

[calm delta]

But if you wanna learn the game to be good your not if your getting carried

[hallow pike]

bro he has 30 minutes on this gosh darn game

[quiet vessel]

or just watch a damn bittersteel guide

thats what i did

[hallow pike]

thats what i did for my third ever run

[quiet vessel]

that one roman empire guide is great

[calm delta]

Best trait which one for his Germany ?

[hallow pike]

if you dont even know how whats on your screen how are you gonna carry yourself to victory ?

[cold marten]

is there an expansion mod for China before the new DLC releases?

[calm delta]

Watching tuts

[cold marten]

derpy bloon

[calm delta]

[quiet vessel]

watch. a. tutorial.

[calm delta]

?

[quiet vessel]

bold attack all the way

[hallow pike]

i.told.him.to.do.that

[craggy trail]

People typically go bold attack for the extra roll for attack traits for their generals

[quiet vessel]

then that's his damn problem

you dont learn the game overnight

[hallow pike]

ik but totorials are boring af'

[quiet vessel]

but you should still make learning it as easy as possible

[wheat copper]

hi

[craggy trail]

[hallow pike]

i aint watching a 2 hour long video to learn this game