hoi4-general

[hasty owl]

You should use sheep'smod

[slim nexus]

Not even 100hrs in the game and you capped Soviet?

[quiet vessel]

i think soviets are pretty easy to cap

hell it can be done with just some attack orders

[slim nexus]

Not in the first 100 hours

[quiet vessel]

im sure i did in my first 100

i was a battle plan warrior

i never thought hoi4 was too hard

[grizzled yarrow]

a new world

[quiet vessel]

belgium, norway, luxembourg, portugal and switzerland stand alone

[supple nymph]

whats a good mp nation as a beginner?

[grizzled yarrow]

Germany or ussr ig

[supple nymph]

alright

[quiet vessel]

honduras

[supple nymph]

i was thinking netherlands

[quiet vessel]

or liberia

[supple nymph]

yea maybe

[marsh ravine]

Multiplayer? R u vanilla or nah

And is it hist

[lime python]

whats the best battleship design

[supple nymph]

alt hist

vanilla yea

[marsh ravine]

China

[supple nymph]

is it hard?

[marsh ravine]

Could be

But thats the point

You learn alot playing china

[quiet vessel]

full anti air

[marsh ravine]

You wanna fight Japan

[supple nymph]

i see

[marsh ravine]

U learn how to micro in mp etc

With inf at least

Btw go sfp and rush getting rid of army corruption

U never get full doctrine anyways so it dont matter

[lime python]

no

[worn junco]

how to play african nations man im nigerian

[sudden thistle]

How

[marsh ravine]

Yes

[marsh ravine]

Build refs for 2yrs on germany it helps u scale

[hasty owl]

No civilian?

[marsh ravine]

Nope

Civs on germany are fake

[sudden thistle]

Wha

[quiet vessel]

i amuse myself with funni little infastructure 'projects' by giving all of europe 100% infa

[marsh ravine]

I amuse myself with funni little infrastructure 'unprojects' by giving all of europe scorched earth and deleted factories

[graceful bone]

does anyone else have all dlc, without owning em

[rocky pivot]

play as the uk and you can release nigeria from your occupied territories

[worn junco]

respect

[slim nexus]

Supply hubs can be connected by rivers?

And I realized it after 1.3k hors

[rocky pivot]

you probably wont be able to do anything unless you tag over to france and release all their african colonies as well

[tepid crown]

Smh, didn’t read the no step back dev diary from like 4-5 years ago

[sonic sand]

smh smh

[slim nexus]

I didn't have the game 4 years ago

[quiet vessel]

my bad bro

[slim nexus]

I still see Israel on that map

[quiet vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/blow-the-dust-meme-good-old-days-nostalgia-old-gif-17831927821295204551

[slim nexus]

And Bulgaria

Amd Italy

[sonic sand]

pov: racism

[rocky pivot]

worst of all albania

[worn junco]

i will fight for nigeria.

[sonic sand]

ok that last one is a fair point

[rocky pivot]

you got it king

[hearty totem]

Idk if ive done this smartly, but heres my army lol

[slim nexus]

We also remove Azerbaijan and Georgia in Syria, so we make a giant big sea

[hearty totem]

hopefully ill win like this

[severe fossil]

idk what I’m doing but I’m having fun

[craggy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/derpy-derpy-hooves-mlp-my-little-pony-clap-gif-15401120

[slim nexus]

[worn junco]

u are mustafa from italy./

mustafa jimbobex.

[hearty totem]

one question

is free trade good?

whats the best law here

[marsh ravine]

Free trade IF you can afford it

Its the closest to free trade u can be without gutting your production+/construction

[hearty totem]

so probably not this early on

[craggy trail]

Free trade is the best in peace time. When at war, Limited exports

[marsh ravine]

If u can afford it at war free trade is still best

[hearty totem]

damn, ill remember that for next time

[marsh ravine]

It literally just depends on if you can afford it

[hearty totem]

I kept limited exports while at peace

[marsh ravine]

Just most tje time you cant

[slim nexus]

You give enemy intel

[marsh ravine]

Literally irrelevant.

[tepid crown]

Lmao

[marsh ravine]

"Oh no the ai can see what my factories are assigned to" if sp (idk if ai can even react to seeing that), if mp they use spies anyways and see it

[tepid crown]

Free trade Germany the dream

[marsh ravine]

U do that iirc

I do it at least

[slim nexus]

Also your focus tree

[marsh ravine]

Free trade automatically moved to autarky

[marsh ravine]

Oh no

Like it just doesnt matter as much as you think it does

[tepid crown]

The ai does not care

[toxic cypress]

who is #2

[marsh ravine]

A shit player

Cos i am #1

Everyone below me is shit

[toxic cypress]

alr

https://tenor.com/view/bread-cat-dance-gif-25651729

[tulip thorn]

Hello and good morning

https://tenor.com/view/twilight-sparkle-wave-cute-mlp-my-little-pony-gif-8814149759150757043

[craggy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/countless-coloratura-coloratura-mlp-my-little-pony-mlp-wave-gif-1702021189915528781

Hello hello!

[tulip thorn]

Hru?

[tepid crown]

What if I’m #0.5 though?

[craggy trail]

Doing pretty good. I recently got a promotion in Equestria at War today

[marsh ravine]

Decimal place means ur less than me

[tulip thorn]

Oh nice

Promoted to what?

[craggy trail]

Community Helper for the mod

[tulip thorn]

Epic

Also congrats

[craggy trail]

Thanks

[tulip thorn]

[hearty totem]

I made a grave war error

I produce basically 0 fuel

and now im in WW2

this will be fun

[eternal palm]

14 hour hoi4 gaming session 😭

[eternal aspen]

Im back y'all, wsg

[worn junco]

yo bro

[eternal aspen]

Also, <@&846894118219022336> will I need to change my Gaza tag to a different one?

[worn junco]

yes man i am from israel

[broken sky]

i can already feel my back with this statement

[eternal aspen]

Hey, im asking to be polite and not assuming, since it can be seen as supportive but also politically charged

[safe wing]

can we all just get along

[broken sky]

no

[safe wing]

because this is hoi4 not modern politics

[broken sky]

the premise of humanity is that we are all divided and hate each other

[tulip thorn]

I hope so

[broken sky]

kidding 😛

[safe wing]

I meant on this server

[worn junco]

just saying

[tulip thorn]

I much prefer my discord servers to be chill and such

[eternal palm]

Oh so ur Jewish now? Didn't u defend Christianity like 2 days ago?

[tepid crown]

I’m sorry

[proud sparrow]

You don't need to ping moderation for that, Tickets are what that is for.

However I would recommend removing it just here to avoid any argument. Typically if you have to ask if something needs to be removed due to controversy, you probably should

[tulip thorn]

Can we not start this

[worn junco]

ethnicity = religion?

primitive

[proud sparrow]

Let's get back onto the topic of HOI4, please.

[worn junco]

yes hoi4

[eternal palm]

No I simply don't like u. Imma not go further than that

[eternal aspen]

Yea lets not go farther on this topic

[azure palm]

good idea

[worn junco]

lets talk about hoi4 no primitive stuff

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/hearts-of-iron-4-naval-gif-12542253955591881556

[grizzled yarrow]

Im not sure if the monarchy path is better than the communist one

[proud sparrow]

just for that, you get supply issues AND naval invasions

[eternal palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1195572031522095115/1405096003287257138/togif-53.gif

[eternal aspen]

Thank you, just making sure since the rule doesnt explicitly state it, but I dont wanna get banned with such thin ice i've been given

[tulip thorn]

nooooooooo

[azure palm]

either stalin path of monarchist path. Trotsky and the other arent that good to be honest

[eternal palm]

It's strictly worse 😭

[worn junco]

so do u like playing israel in hoi4 or nahh

[eternal palm]

I do not give a shit

[safe wing]

its better because communism is cringe

[broken sky]

stalin path is the strongest communist path industry wise

[grizzled yarrow]

Theyr that bad?

[broken sky]

monarchy is for the lolz and super tsar tank

[worn junco]

so sigma man u prob play palestine then

[broken sky]

to kraaaaaaaaaaaaash everything

[eternal palm]

Bro stop pining me, I don't give a shit

[safe wing]

honestly I don't play either because both don't have content

[grizzled yarrow]

Monarchy is cool but like the civil war takes too long

[broken sky]

true

[eternal palm]

Trotsky is good though? You get pretty insane research bonuses

[broken sky]

cavalry does help tho

[worn junco]

@eternal palm just be normal like wage and answer questions man what is this anti social tendencies you got going on here

[azure palm]

You have to go through a civil war to end up way weaker and I dont see the perks of it to be honest. The Monarchist path you can kinda get a lot of terretory

[eternal palm]

U can get gun3, Conc and tools 5 in 1940

[azure palm]

I guess. Still i dont like playing it

[proud sparrow]

You were asked to stop pinging them, I suggest you do so

[grizzled yarrow]

I mean it gets rid of the red army modifier early

[eternal palm]

Welp that's another person blocked

[worn junco]

he pinged me three times when i didnt speak to him and you gonna ignore that?

[eternal aspen]

Depends, stalin path is the best for post-ww2 to get to 1947, the Civil wars usually last the same length but with historicak germsny its better to go stalin

[broken sky]

agree

[tepid crown]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-austin-powers-movies-austin-powers-gif-dr-evil-drevil-gif-2837053617623464716

[eternal aspen]

Here's a better thing to do, be the bigger person and stop before it gets you or anyone else banned

[grizzled yarrow]

Ive seen people fight the germans despite being crippled from the civil war but im not that that level of skill

[eternal palm]

It doesn't. U can't do desecrate measures during a civil war

[worn junco]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-scared-scary-flop-gif-8576938341887257950

[broken sky]

Stalin Path is the strongest because you don't have to deal with a civil war and can build up normally, tbh

[proud sparrow]

Did you ask them to not ping you? If you did I would appreciate you linking said comment to me

Otherwise let's get back to talking about the game

[azure palm]

Chak, you have my condolences for having to deal with this community

[sudden thistle]

Then get that level of skill 🔥

[grizzled yarrow]

I mean if u cheese the Trotsky civil war its way faster since ur much closer to moscow

[worn junco]

yeah i agree im gonna be the bigger person even though i am not the bigger

[grizzled yarrow]

😭

[eternal aspen]

Ask Chak, he unbanned me this morning/last night

[worn junco]

nah i agree man

[eternal aspen]

Actually, he unbanned me right when I woke up bc my fiance was being a loud doom scroller

[craggy trail]

[worn junco]

chak defused the situation instantly

[proud sparrow]

Its not an issue for me, its my job.

I just want us to get along and enjoy the game

[worn junco]

good mod

[tulip thorn]

Noodle

[azure palm]

You still have my condolences

[worn junco]

🤔 whats that supposed to mean

blatant insult

[craggy trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/455183622404702238/1431317169622487080/image0.gif

[proud sparrow]

aha, okay then.

Next round of takeout's on you then

[worn junco]

man chak i have condolences too

[grizzled yarrow]

I feel like monarchy path does have its use since if u ally with the germans u dont have to deal with em anymore

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-philosophy-twilight-sparkle-mlp-gif-15205550013486968731

[eternal aspen]

Mlp goes hard, I was watching it last night

Thats how I fell asleep

[safe wing]

thoughts on my pfp

[eternal aspen]

Lemme find glasses

[grizzled yarrow]

Or u can form entente but im pretty sure brittain and france most of the time wont join

[craggy trail]

You would need to to Equestria at War this morning then

[worn junco]

my condolences for dealing with me i am nuisance man

i dont deserve to live

[eternal aspen]

Nah, I've gotta finish making my mod work

[sudden thistle]

They will join the war eventually anyway

[tulip thorn]

Mlp is the best show ever

[safe wing]

hey Christa its me Al

[craggy trail]

Here. Have these videos for your leisure. You might enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B957W7H2v0
https://youtu.be/GBPXeLvyq5A?si=MY6R49MoV4-__7PG

[eternal aspen]

Idek what your pfp looks like, but thats js bc im a blindie

[tulip thorn]

2nd is the Garfield tv show, and 3rd is Dexter

[safe wing]

Its Robo Charlie Emily working at Walmart

[broken sky]

man i love this schizo mod sm

[safe wing]

yes the woman in the pfp is a clanker

[tulip thorn]

Good

[grizzled yarrow]

Eh i mostly play the monarchist path just for the third rome

[safe wing]

but one has been gaslit into being a human

[broken sky]

stalliongrad will hold

against the black tide

[safe wing]

though TBH that plot twist was very last minute and rushed

[sudden thistle]

I know

[tulip thorn]

Our town is better

Because in our town

[safe wing]

I hated that place as a kid for some reason

I always wanted it to see Carthago Delenda est'd

[sudden thistle]

I funnily enough never did alt hist Russia except like 3/50 or so runs with them

The hist path is quite fun

[grizzled yarrow]

I do like it yes but im now sure that to do from 1945

Since the allies are basically much stronger

[sudden thistle]

The Cold War gone hot is also fun

[tulip thorn]

Life is so grand in Our Town
We're always filled with cheer
We never have to look around
To know that we're all here

[sudden thistle]

Just battleplan and carpet nuke Europe

[safe wing]

I think he can do that

[grizzled yarrow]

What if u replace all the inf with mecanized inf

For the cold war

Is it worth the ic

[eternal aspen]

So glad im unbanned here

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[eternal aspen]

I can get real help without having to dm mari every 5 minutes with stuff he might not be able to help eith

[eternal aspen]

Well I mean, its bc of politically extremist (NSDAP) imagery

And i argued against why I shldnt censor it fir here

Not doing that again, especially since next time its a permanent ban :3

[proud sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/unamused-side-eye-drinking-tea-go-away-stfu-gif-4092744

[safe wing]

I got an argument with somebody that escalated fast

[tulip thorn]

Im glad that I regained access to speak after loosing my main

[grizzled yarrow]

How long was ur previous ban

[eternal aspen]

About 2.5 years

[grizzled yarrow]

💔

[eternal aspen]

Around the same time Mari got mod here

He got it bc I was banned fr

[safe wing]

Hi Chak

[craggy trail]

[tulip thorn]

[proud sparrow]

Hello, Al

[eternal aspen]

Chak are you gonna stalk me in here to ensure I dont break rules?

[safe wing]

IK you were gonna figure who I was in a brief second

[proud sparrow]

I don't stalk anyone here, its my literal job to manage the server lmao

[eternal aspen]

OH CRAP youre al? Weren't you here back in 2022 or around there?

[craggy trail]

Jessie. We must stalk

[safe wing]

yeah I was I had different account though because I deleted to take a temporary break for my mental health

[eternal aspen]

Yh, you might remember me then

[safe wing]

I think I was commander Cody at the time

[safe wing]

I remember you vaugely

[eternal aspen]

Idk what my pfp was back then tho, prolly some edgy or alt shi

[tulip thorn]

Jessie, we must start building military factories

[eternal aspen]

You excited for the new navy in 1.17?

[proud sparrow]

it was the default Discord pfp

[proud sparrow]

(I have logs of everything)

[safe wing]

cautiously optimistic

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/twilight-twilight-sparkle-yangnejitos-twilight-fear-mlp-meme-gif-4952303516935905550

[safe wing]

but speaking of cooking

[eternal aspen]

Im excited, im alr good at navy (but outside of a large MP game its bloody useless)

[safe wing]

pretty much yeah

[tulip thorn]

Merica

[safe wing]

I always rebuild the High Seas Fleet as Imperial Germany

[tepid crown]

Even in mp it’s still pretty useless

[eternal aspen]

Why do I need to build a Bismarck as Germany when I can save my time bt building subs with free docks and just paradrop into london

[safe wing]

only on single player

[eternal aspen]

Hochseeflotte is basically useless as germany

[grizzled yarrow]

Who cares about navy when ur the soviet union ( i end up with 0 navy commanders by the time i get political paranoia removed)

[eternal aspen]

You gotta wait until 1938 to get all the buffs

[marsh ravine]

Navy is not needed in mp aside from supremacy as stopping u getting raided if ur going for like hawaii

As japan

[eternal aspen]

You dont micro your paranoia like its the sino-japanese front?

[grizzled yarrow]

No 😭

I just make sure i dont get my best generals purged

[eternal aspen]

Smh

[mellow spire]

Rahhhhh hi 😄

[grizzled yarrow]

Hi

[safe wing]

paranoia isn't really important as the Tsar/fascists TBH

[safe wing]

hi

[eternal aspen]

Its honestly kinda useless outside of stalinist ussr

[grizzled yarrow]

Yeah but the civil war cripples u

[safe wing]

it does

[grizzled yarrow]

So no matter what u do ur still kinda cripples at the start

[eternal aspen]

Bc it just starts the Civil war, which means the ussr loses ukraine as the reds, or half their shi as the whites

[safe wing]

and they still did Denikin dirty

level 1 with old guard, and inflexible stratgist and poltiically connected

[eternal aspen]

Average NASA higher up circa 1946

[safe wing]

he started out with 1500 men when he seized command of the All Volunteer Army ended with up over a 100k in 1919 and he got the closest to Moscow

[grizzled yarrow]

Yall

[eternal aspen]

Time to procrastinate getting outa bed because my floors are cold

[grizzled yarrow]

Is it possible to cap the germans before getting lessons of war

[mellow spire]

How to beat Germany as Sweden?

[eternal aspen]

Yea, ive done it before

[safe wing]

I have actually done it by accident as the Tsar before

[grizzled yarrow]

How

[safe wing]

by getting sidetracked with the airforce

[mellow spire]

My navy lost to Germany first day of war...

[eternal aspen]

From day 1, lock in a half-decent light tank, those will carry you until the T-34 from tankograd or wtvr focus it is

[trim pike]

[eternal aspen]

Yh im back in business, how ya doing chem?

[trim pike]

Good

Havent seen that pfp in so long

Very recognisable tho

Anyways yea i remember u

[inland niche]

italy mare nostrum to op PS: aug 1939

[eternal aspen]

Yh, this pfp is relatively new

[oak mantle]

Ohhh hes back off of his alt

[sudden thistle]

Unite the uhh Danes and Norwegians

[eternal aspen]

I only started using it like, last year, when I was with my ex before I got eith my current fiance (who I intend to stay with)

[sudden thistle]

Then just either hold the danish islands or push to the river near Hamburg and go afk

[mellow spire]

Did exactly that and german kills danes and me

[tulip thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1093637060721647646/1122979820456915084/praiseMare.gif

[sudden thistle]

Then you have some major skill issue

Which path did u choose for it

[mellow spire]

Gustav's

[grizzled yarrow]

Believe it or not i get around 4 tanks by the time i cap the germans 😭

I focus all my ic to spamming as many inf divisions as possible

[sudden thistle]

Then idk what u did wrong

Just do it faster

[eternal aspen]

Thats fair, maybe go mot/mech if you prefer

[grizzled yarrow]

I do wanna use tanks but idk how to split my industry so i can have atleast 200 divisions by when the germans invade

[eternal aspen]

Don't have tanks in the Frontline division

You'd want like, a field marshal with infantry, and a general or 2 with tanks (or even less)

[grizzled yarrow]

A general with only tanks?

[eternal aspen]

Tanks in the Frontline division are js space marines and those are typically banned in mp

[eternal aspen]

Well, tank divisions

[grizzled yarrow]

I see

[eternal aspen]

Lemme get on my pc and I can help better, so gimme like 5-10 minutes to warm up

[grizzled yarrow]

Sure

[honest night]

Navy is important as Italy uk Japan Usa in mp and even Germany in some cases

[grizzled yarrow]

I rlly like playing ussr so i wanna play it as well as i can

[eternal aspen]

Oh thats 100% valid, I can even show you how to micro it once my fiance is off at they classes

[grizzled yarrow]

ae

Im horrible at micro managing

I do manage to get a few encirclements by doing that but thats rare

[eternal aspen]

The micro is pretty hard for ussr

I usually let the axis push into the ukraine

Since Romania gets it, and Germany needs to own it for eco of conquest

So as long as Romania pushes, the germans screw themselves over

[grizzled yarrow]

I let em push a lil past the baltics

[eternal aspen]

I almost capped last time I did ussr, because I was sieging Vienna while Romania took the caucuses

[grizzled yarrow]

I do a fallback line behind rivers while guarding kiev

[eternal aspen]

Yh, is that a game you've done? Ir is this current

Bc ik how to push and win right there

[grizzled yarrow]

I left it at this

[eternal aspen]

Reverse pskov offensive, push taking the pskov supply hub and push through to the Baltic sea

[grizzled yarrow]

I dint have a much diff template

I used an 18w one with field hospital engineer aa arti and logitcis company

[eternal aspen]

Nice

You got all DLC? I wouldnt wanna give you advice for smth like BBA if you dont got it

[grizzled yarrow]

For my third rome run i did a 26 or 28 i forgot widht with 3 arti

[grizzled yarrow]

I got all the dlcs

[eternal palm]

Why didn't u hold the river in Latvia?

[grizzled yarrow]

Idk

[eternal palm]

It's a better position than this

Also u did just lose like 20 civs in the baltics

[grizzled yarrow]

It dint matter that much to me

[eternal aspen]

Wsg creep

[grizzled yarrow]

Since all my civs were way back into siberia

[eternal palm]

It's kinda important though?

[eternal aspen]

Also, the ussr has a decision to move western factories to the ural

[eternal palm]

20 civs is a big deal

[eternal palm]

Pointless decision if you never built anything west of kursk

Bait of a focus

[eternal aspen]

Fair

[grizzled yarrow]

Also

Is it worth getting total mobilization

[sudden thistle]

Yes

[eternal aspen]

Yes

Women in the workforce is also smth you should grab if you dont mind the stability drop

More manpower on the field

Even though USSR should have that already, infact they should have the buffs from that and then a bit more

Since they allowed women into the army during ww2, but before that, women were allowed to work and be partisans in the RCW

[honest night]

Do you have anything in crimea tho?

[eternal aspen]

Idk, maybe future Russia content, all the old nations with DLC's are getting TLC, and it'd be amazing to get one for the comintern

[grizzled yarrow]

Like industry?

[honest night]

Units

Because your line doesn’t cover Crimea

[eternal aspen]

Men, cause they'll go through and take the caucuses, which is your oil

[grizzled yarrow]

Whats a tlc

[eternal aspen]

Tender love and care

[honest night]

You could also straight block it with your navy

[eternal aspen]

Like what WuW gave Germany, since they alr had content from WTT

[grizzled yarrow]

Maybe monarchy path should get a bit more love

Like making the civil war easier and faster

[eternal aspen]

Nah, the Civil war is meant to be its own campaign

[eternal palm]

It's already pretty fast?

You can end it within 3 months

[eternal aspen]

It really ends when you finish eating up any splinter states

[grizzled yarrow]

I mean compared to other civil wars

[eternal palm]

If u do it right

[eternal palm]

Idk the trotsky one is even shorter

[grizzled yarrow]

3 MONTHS?

[eternal palm]

And right opposition doesn't have one

Or at least the option not to

[grizzled yarrow]

Yeah since u js need to rush moscow

[eternal aspen]

German civil war when you accidentally let a fascist swine into a single tile is harder than the 2rvw

[eternal palm]

Yeah. Convert the entire army to 1w aa. Then snake your territory all the way to vologda and snake to leningrad and Moscow from there

3 months

[eternal aspen]

Yea, cause you can just.. walk into Moscow, stalingrad, and leningrad from partisans and win in about a month or 2

[eternal palm]

It's as shrimple as that

[grizzled yarrow]

I did that but it still took me around a year to win the civil war

[eternal palm]

Didn't snake enough then

[sudden thistle]

Guys is this bad

[grizzled yarrow]

But like

Ussr still gets a few regular inf divisions

[eternal palm]

Doesn't matter mostly

[eternal aspen]

Have you ever played MD?

[grizzled yarrow]

RUSKIAAAAAA

[eternal aspen]

You have more, and the AI doesnt know about the equipment selection for divs

So if you set it to use no equipment, then youre pretty much set

[grizzled yarrow]

Oh wow

[sudden thistle]

Yes and I hated it

[grizzled yarrow]

Still the preparations for the civil war take a while so i think il mostly avoid the monarchy path for now

[eternal palm]

ye can't blame u 💀

The content is pretty pointless too

[grizzled yarrow]

Third rome is pretty cool tho

[eternal palm]

Like I dont think Russia needs additional cores

[grizzled yarrow]

And the berlin moscow alliance ig

[eternal aspen]

Thats basically Chechnya youre doing

[eternal palm]

Pretty pointless when you're allying with the nation that's your main obstacle to expansion?

It's geopolitically useless

[grizzled yarrow]

True ig

I saw my friend cheese the brittish civil war where

[eternal aspen]

Actually you are js checknya

[eternal aspen]

You don't gotta fight a civil war?

[sudden thistle]

U can and do a funny formable

[eternal palm]

No u wanna do that so u can do imperial federation in 37

[grizzled yarrow]

Right before cap the brits he declared war on all the dominions and managed to annex all the dominions

[severe fossil]

bruh

I keep getting screwed over

[eternal aspen]

Ah, makes sense

[grizzled yarrow]

Without having to individually retake em

[eternal palm]

Well it kinda sucks for getting USA

[sudden thistle]

If u do it right u can core the USA too

[grizzled yarrow]

He took usa in 1937 or 38 😭

[eternal aspen]

It sucks forming north america

[eternal palm]

But there is also a bug that Canada constantly wants to break free so coring the USA is kinda impossible now

[eternal aspen]

Its harder lag than capping moscow

[eternal palm]

I mean cored

[grizzled yarrow]

Ohhh

[hearty totem]

Hopefully nobody will mind my Swiss invasion

[eternal palm]

Italian heavy tanks 😭

Low strength too

[eternal aspen]

I was about to ask why Vichy was green

Its bc no LAR

[eternal palm]

Why do u have cav divs

[eternal aspen]

Im so used to the blueish greyish vichy idk why, also we should get a Spain dlc for TLC in that god awful focus tree

It genuinely hurts to watch someone do it, basically Swiss without the fun of being swiss

[tulip thorn]

He never replaced the starting italian divs

[eternal palm]

I can see that, I'm asking why he kept them

[tulip thorn]

Because he is a really new player

[eternal palm]

I'm asking him

[honest night]

Italy doesn’t start with heavy tanks

[grizzled yarrow]

Screw the person that recommended me to play spain 😭

[eternal palm]

Thats not what he's saying either

[steep shuttle]

[tulip thorn]

Understandable, but it is probably just because he is a new player

Doesn't know to replace the crappy starting italian divs

[tepid crown]

Not hard. Early USA is a joke

[tulip thorn]

Okey either they looked up heavy tank division online, or just changed the icon of the italian starting tank template

[eternal aspen]

Real af

[eternal palm]

Mfs googling hoi4 templates 😭

[eternal aspen]

Thats why my mod is gonna be smth.. fun

[grizzled yarrow]

Ur making a mod?

[eternal aspen]

Yea

Well, trying to

[tulip thorn]

Google gives you like line arty divs

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1401563044231778305/1429356048241922070/attachment.gif

[eternal palm]

Cuz reddit is a public source

Discord isn't sadly

[tulip thorn]

The ask for help channel is the only place I get my templates

[sudden thistle]

Peak

[grizzled yarrow]

Hoi4 templates are the friends we send to war along the way 💙

[eternal palm]

What if I told you they're not optimal 😭

Nah they're fine

I just have very small issues with them

[tulip thorn]

Im not a try hard player trying to be 100% optimal

Im just a casual who has spent way to much time playing this god damn game

[grizzled yarrow]

I js use regular 18w divisions with support companies

Cheap and good enough for sp

[eternal palm]

Make it 16w and it would be good

18w is kinda eh

[grizzled yarrow]

Why 16w

[eternal palm]

Fits better into forests

OR any terrain that's worth defending

[grizzled yarrow]

Hm il try that

[eternal palm]

Cuz plains kinda get one-shot anyhow

[tulip thorn]

Both are good, but 16w is cheaper and what the guy above me just said

[sudden thistle]

(Pro tip)
Use line artillery to blast the trees into hills or plains tiles

[tepid crown]

[eternal palm]

Trvthnvke

[tulip thorn]

Pro Tip: Make artillery only divisions to win

They do so much attack they just win

[eternal palm]

Raaaah what the fk is HP

Why do I have a 293938383 arty deficit

[tepid crown]

Irrelevant is what

[eternal palm]

🗣️

[grizzled yarrow]

Pro tip: make no troops whatsoever cuz u have 0 enemies

[tulip thorn]

Hp is a useless stat

[eternal palm]

Play Switzerland. Trade gold to allies and Axis :plotting:

[tepid crown]

Truth

[tulip thorn]

Dont let them mind control you into thinking its important

[eternal palm]

🤯

[oak mantle]

But 6 widths

[eternal palm]

0/10 not enough line arty

[tulip thorn]

Combat width is fake

[oak mantle]

Org wall

[tepid crown]

Arty battleplan division

[grizzled yarrow]

0 org 🔋🌹

[tepid crown]

Missing special project arty

[tulip thorn]

Its 38 italy and I havent really done anything yet

[worn junco]

what if it was 39 man

no slacking off

[tulip thorn]

I am slacking off on purpose

Wont do anything much till the pope is in charge

[hearty totem]

I edited my starting divisions actually. And yes, I did create a 10-large heavy tank division, which is a mix of all the speedy stuff, plus a heavy tank to balance it out.

[eternal palm]

HOLY

Yea u got some learning to do

[worn junco]

mr beast?

[tepid crown]

Meta divisions

[hearty totem]

prolly

[tulip thorn]

oh my

Someone better than me please help this guy out

Like remove the line arty

[hearty totem]

what have I done😭

[tulip thorn]

That tank div is just useless

[eternal palm]

Nah let him be

[tepid crown]

Wait. You’ve on a 15 hour hoi4 binge rn

[hearty totem]

it cant be that bad

[eternal palm]

He will learn soon enough

[eternal palm]

It kinda is but I'll let you play for a bit until u wanna know

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-let-him-cook-cook-toy-story-woody-gif-27345024

[hearty totem]

Well, its my first game, I have to fully immerse myself atleast once.

[hearty totem]

what is bad about it though?

the stats seem good and I can afford it

[tepid crown]

Artillery in division is bad

[tulip thorn]

That tank div is just well uhhhhh

[tepid crown]

Mixing tanks and such unless armor meme is bad

[tulip thorn]

Terrible

[eternal palm]

Ok if u really wanna know. So that 1 line arty in your inf is ass. Remove it and add 1 more inf. You can just entirely delete the tank div, it's not good at anything

[worn junco]

those tanks are gonna crush them

dattebayo

[hearty totem]

Why is artillery bad?

[eternal palm]

Like why are u producing 2 types of tanks aswell as motorised but also have cav in that division? Support companies are important so add those and 16w is really bad for a tank you usually wanna be much bigger

[tepid crown]

Stats per ic plus no hp or org

[eternal palm]

Org and hp are more important than soft

Especially on inf

[hearty totem]

I put a focus on creating an army of light tanks, with these low amount "elite" heavy tank divisions

[eternal palm]

Yea thats not how that works

[grizzled yarrow]

40 org should be the average yes?

[tepid crown]

Hp is more important

[eternal palm]

If u wanna make tanks, make them big and only contain mech and 1 type of tank, ideally mediums

[eternal palm]

A specific org number is kinda useless since it depends on doctrine. Hp is more important

[hearty totem]

Why doesnt an army of light tanks work though?

their speedy and not that bad in stats

[eternal palm]

Org can be very relative but hp should ideally be above 250

[tepid crown]

Light tanks are pretty bad overall

[tulip thorn]

Lights are worse than mediums while being kinda expensive

[tepid crown]

Use them for support

[tepid crown]

Do you have NSB dlc

[hearty totem]

no

[tepid crown]

I wouldn’t even make tanks then

[hearty totem]

understood, ill replace them ASAP then

[jovial carbon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1350674922438922293/1429640099863462028/videoplayback.mp4?ex=6900c2d9&is=68ff7159&hm=bb15423680d98d1588d19860b2d9f9914c60148eb1368d12551308d551e0addb&

[hearty totem]

Also, what about this division? I started with it

[tepid crown]

Bad

[eternal palm]

Same issues

[tulip thorn]

Its just terrible

[eternal palm]

Too small, no mech

[tepid crown]

Smh, no camels either

[eternal palm]

Trve

[tepid crown]

Camels unironically being the second best to use is hilarious

[eternal palm]

Same hp as mech right

[tepid crown]

Pretty sure

[brittle cypress]

“Guys I have 48 tanks why aren’t they working that well”

[rich nacelle]

Does anyone know if the Japanese and Chinese focus trees for KMT China will remain the same if I do not get the DLC?

[molten raven]

set it on fire

[eternal palm]

Let vro learn in peace

[brittle cypress]

Usually dlc will give you the historical tree for free?

[eternal palm]

Most likely

[rich nacelle]

Just turn it into calvary 💀

[eternal palm]

Or you'll just get the hist versions at best

[brittle cypress]

Yes you’re right it’s just so common to see people using the default templates sometimes which suck cause paradox made them awful

[hearty totem]

which is good

[tulip thorn]

Armored cars probably have better stats

[hearty totem]

because them people learn how to not make them suck

maybe

[rich nacelle]

Yay I ain’t gotta change my plans. Although I do hope we get a way to send volunteers as kmt china. As well as a way to be able to make a faction if we go down the prioritize the interior path.

[hearty totem]

ill turn my army into a bunch of camals then

tnaks pppls

[rich nacelle]

Am I the only one who doesn’t use tanks until after 1945?

[daring tundra]

You will probably get historical Japan, historical majors are generally free

[rich nacelle]

I just use infantry

[hearty totem]

I just thought tanks are like, the best units by default

just expensive units

[tulip thorn]

I've fixed the div

So much better

[rich nacelle]

LMAO

[hearty totem]

that soft attack is insane

why not try it out

[tulip thorn]

Its meaningless

[rich nacelle]

Add one inf battalion line and that is godly due to soft attack

[tulip thorn]

That div has so little everything else

[sudden thistle]

U forgot super heavy artillery

[rich nacelle]

It can’t fight

No hp or org

[tulip thorn]

Havent researched it 💔

[sudden thistle]

It can fight

[honest night]

@hidden plank this the type of template you make in moji games

[sudden thistle]

Not well

[hearty totem]

hp is just a number

[rich nacelle]

I thought if org is 0 it can’t fight?

[remote quarry]

it doesn't make much sense to talk about the best units in the game, or it doesnt' really matter
this game is basically, u have $100, and you wanna get the best division at the cheapest price
different templates can have different cost-effectiveness but usually the differene is small
the place where you could improve the most is learning how to get $200 instead of $100 first

[remote quarry]

yeah

but you just need to add like any support that have org

[sudden thistle]

With some game glitches it will work fr

[remote quarry]

then it's 1

[rich nacelle]

Is this tank template (one from bitt3rsteel’s hoi4 templates guide) actually good or is it cheeks?

[hearty totem]

ill then try to somehow fix this game, I guess

[hearty totem]

you can design the tanks themselves?

[brittle cypress]

Cheeks because the gun sucks

[tulip thorn]

Only if you have no step back

Its a dlc

[brittle cypress]

Stick a howitzer on it

[rich nacelle]

Yes. You need a $20 dlc

[brittle cypress]

Then it’s good

Plus an MIO

[hearty totem]

paradox scam smh

[rich nacelle]

Don’t have AAT. So just replace close support gun with a howitzer.

[brittle cypress]

Yeah basically

[honest night]

Works for singleplayer but not the best design

[brittle cypress]

As long as you have the howitzer and double machine gun imo for singleplayer anything else is a matter of opinion and situation

[remote quarry]

(and riveted armor)

[eternal aspen]

But MTG is free now, so we're prolly getter USA content in the new dlc or smth

[honest night]

Yeah basically anything works for single player

[eternal aspen]

Other than 2w infantry

[honest night]

2w infantry is actually meta but you don’t know

[rich nacelle]

Tank designer comes with No Step Back. Although I get your point.

[hearty totem]

biggest failure in military history just occured😭

[honest night]

Those who know

[rich nacelle]

Accurate

HOLY CRAP

50 DIVS?!?!

[remote quarry]

athens is a port

[rich nacelle]

THATS OVER HALF YOUR ARMY

[devout trench]

Historically accurate

[eternal aspen]

Last stand and build a dockyard

Or try push

[tulip thorn]

I doubt his navy is alive

[eternal aspen]

Yea, so NSB might become free as time goes on

I remember when it dropped too, back when I first played hoi4

[hearty totem]

I pushed and won

wasnt that bad

probably because of the port

and my navy exists

[rich nacelle]

I doubt arguably one of the best DLCs will be going for free anytime soon.

[eternal palm]

They just made MTG free though?

If they go in order, nsb will be next

But having another Russia rework would be weird

So probably not yea

[rich nacelle]

Also the focus trees from MTG are pretty mid tbh

[brittle cypress]

I don’t think they’d want to make nsb free when it’s probably their best dlc

[rich nacelle]

The USA paths are broken and the UK ones are meh

[fading elk]

Well 2nd time trying AH ( first attempted got fumbled cuz I asked Czechoslovakia too early) and they agreed kinda

I wonder who else I can puppet like this

[rich nacelle]

Romania, Yugoslavia, and Poland iirc

[fading elk]

Hmmm neat

I thought u only got to either take land from em or annex goals but this is kinda cool

Danupeian federation or something

[eternal palm]

Do u have gtd

[fading elk]

Nope

[eternal palm]

Then restart

[fading elk]

I’m pretty much fully vanilla (for now)

[eternal palm]

You wanna annex czechia out right

If they only become a puppet it's useless

[fading elk]

May as well keep trying

[eternal palm]

It's just like 10x more annoying now

[tepid crown]

I remember grinding that achievement years ago because rng for it sucks

It’s easier to do in historical though

[eternal palm]

Yea

[rich nacelle]

Saw this thing on Reddit just now. That is a lot of soft attack

Oh god

[tepid crown]

People still don’t know how to take a screenshot

[rich nacelle]

4km top speed 😭

[digital bison]

err akshuly thats not a lot

if he made it self propelled artillery

it could have been more

probably

[hearty totem]

Ah yeah, Republicans won the civil war

[eternal palm]

Imagine if it was heavy howitzer

[rich nacelle]

I have never seen a tank with that much lol

[rich nacelle]

How tf

[digital bison]

yeah if it was howitzer

[digital bison]

and self propelled

[rich nacelle]

Even when I specifically change the settings so they win they fold instantly

[fading elk]

Tho how would the yugo one work now if Italy puppeted them

[hearty totem]

I guess I just got unlucky

[digital bison]

what would u even use this for

[hearty totem]

or lucky, depending on how you view it

[rich nacelle]

Division killer 9000

[eternal palm]

Soft on Hungary

[digital bison]

i guess

[eternal palm]

For killing mass mob

[digital bison]

but wont that get like

0 or

org

once put in a template

[eternal palm]

Nah

[drifting oracle]

how to build screens

[rich nacelle]

Just do subs bro

Trust

[digital bison]

ngl thats a decent tip 😭

[tepid crown]

What? Why would it get 0 org/hp when you use mech with it

[grave sphinx]

so uh guys i was fighting the allies, and im playing a regular non historical game, i went afk for 20m and came back with this

[digital bison]

at least for me

[digital bison]

yeah nvm i was thinking about normal artillery

[rich nacelle]

Wouldn’t trucks also work just as well??

[eternal palm]

Nah

[tepid crown]

No

[eternal palm]

Trucks are like the worst thing for tanks

Cav is better lol

[drifting oracle]

ty twin

[eternal palm]

Camels and mech are goates

[rich nacelle]

-_-

[digital bison]

cruiser subs are really good

i like to just make like

[tepid crown]

Camels my beloved

[digital bison]

100 of them

and send them out

[eternal palm]

French camel tanks :letsfkinggoooo

[eternal palm]

@grizzled lark I found ur kind

[drifting oracle]

theres this one time i was playing sp vanilla as germany and italy jst sent camels to soviet union

[digital bison]

i dont think i have ever used camels besides larp mp 😭

[tepid crown]

I’m pretty sure I used camels for my amtank build one game ngl

[grave sphinx]

i love using medium tanks anti air

[eternal palm]

Lol

[tepid crown]

They’re unironically incredible good

[digital bison]

i think i have built like a total of 100 anti air tanks in my entire life

[grave sphinx]

wow

[digital bison]

why even make them

cant u just make

aa armored cars

or something

ik armored cars suck

[grave sphinx]

cuz airplanes are not cheap

[digital bison]

but they are cheap

somewhat

[tepid crown]

Just use support AA and maybe a line aa

[grave sphinx]

and anti air tanks can defeat a lot of planes

[hearty totem]

Finally, that was painful

lost like 60k there

[grave sphinx]

lowkey playing as the slavic union poland is goated

and getting a bear as the king of the slavic union is even more goated

[digital bison]

yeah

i lowk never make anti air anything

besides

support company

[grave sphinx]

i wonder if this is cursed or not

[eternal aspen]

MTG is free, some may argue it's a good DLC (same with WTT)

anyways, mod time :D

323 errors

[hearty totem]

okay, now ive spared some military points. Would yall say this divison is acceptable?

[eternal aspen]

what's your doctrine

[hearty totem]

mine is speed

[grave sphinx]

no

[hearty totem]

thats why I went light tanks

[rich nacelle]

Ideally you want 30 width but ig these are budget smth

[rich nacelle]

Light tanks are irrelevant after 1938

[brittle cypress]

No it’s not that good

[grave sphinx]

ok but that template while being in 1941

is just

[brittle cypress]

It’s too small, has no support companies, no stats

[eternal aspen]

it's smth

if it works, let bro cook

[rich nacelle]

^

[brittle cypress]

Basically uh

[hearty totem]

im pretty broke

[brittle cypress]

This is worse than nothing

[grave sphinx]

one anti tank division

[rich nacelle]

…

[eternal palm]

Look at your hp

[hearty totem]

but they take organization

[eternal palm]

This thing will die within seconds

[brittle cypress]

Try something a little more like this

[hearty totem]

mobile warfare, fully upgraded

[grave sphinx]

500 breakthrough ?

[brittle cypress]

Plenty

[grave sphinx]

i got like

1k breakthrough

[rich nacelle]

Is motorized acceptable if I don’t have mech unlocked/ enough of it?

[eternal palm]

That's a lowball even

I get 1.1k

[hearty totem]

ill impossibly be able to afford that. What I could do is send my current army to die in Russia, then build a new one

[grave sphinx]

i could get more buuut i didn't research the advanced radio

i just have the basic one

[brittle cypress]

For larp only really, use cav instead of mech if you don’t have it

[rich nacelle]

Fr?!?

[grave sphinx]

i lowkey never used cav in a tank division

[brittle cypress]

Anyways the break depends on the tank design and doctrine and all that I just stole it because it’s a good template

[grave sphinx]

only motorized or mechanized

[eternal palm]

That's usually fine

[tepid crown]

500 should be more than enough anyways especially so with gbp L

[hearty totem]

is infantry + medium/heavy tank a good combination?

[grave sphinx]

i know

[brittle cypress]

Motorized is just expensive and does nothing good

[grave sphinx]

but i should focus on logistical

[tepid crown]

Use cav

[brittle cypress]

I mean yeah but it depends

[rich nacelle]

Infantry makes tanks slow

[eternal palm]

Use camels

[tepid crown]

This is trve

[grave sphinx]

how do you even research camels anyway

[rich nacelle]

What if I don’t have camels.

[hearty totem]

ok, camels + medium/heavy tanks

[grave sphinx]

or even bikes

[eternal palm]

Mech

[grave sphinx]

does anyone use railgun thingy

[rich nacelle]

Idk. I think Arabia starts with them but idk

[grave sphinx]

this thing

[rich nacelle]

I don’t. Too expensive and they don’t seem to do anything.

[grave sphinx]

they do tho

[lapis snow]

yes

[rich nacelle]

Also only can move on railways

[lapis snow]

my beloved

[grave sphinx]

i mean

railways are hella cheap

so why bother with that

[tepid crown]

Camels actually give more org than mech. Lmao!

[grave sphinx]

and they can help in many situations

[rich nacelle]

Sir what?

Tf

[tepid crown]

Mech gives 60, camels give 70

They both give same hp

[rich nacelle]

💀

[hearty totem]

okay, ive now made this

[rich nacelle]

Although not every nation can get camels iirc.

[lapis snow]

they make the enemy suffer

[hearty totem]

ive got no camels sadly

[grave sphinx]

so camels litteral animals counter a mech

[grave sphinx]

how to get camels

wait they got elephant in this game ?

[rich nacelle]

Yep

Ever since March

[tepid crown]

Always have been

[grave sphinx]

this is suppose to be a based ww2 game

[tepid crown]

If you don’t have mech camels have always been second best

[eternal palm]

No way

[grave sphinx]

and we got elephants like it's some sort of in the 400bcs

how the hell can an elephant be a support against guns

[tulip thorn]

Camels are really good

[rich nacelle]

Squishy infantry men go squish

[tepid crown]

Mech just has better defense, brkthw, and armor stats

[grave sphinx]

can they squish a tank

[tulip thorn]

If your nation has them its better to use them for tank divs than motorized or Calvary

[eternal aspen]

Left or right for which sides

If you went full blitzkrieg you won't need as many mot/mech in the division

Sink tanks get lots of org from from

[hearty totem]

double-right

[hearty totem]

sink?

[eternal aspen]

Since*

[grave sphinx]

satisfaction

[eternal aspen]

Mb my room is under 50°F, im cold

[hearty totem]

Germany is holy failing

[eternal aspen]

Could get more if it was artillery

[hearty totem]

I think we will lose

but that is no problem, since now I have learned somethigns

[grave sphinx]

anyways since i got almost 4k hours in hoi4, but i dont know shit about navy should i use, submarines to drain their boats, destroyer/battleships, to spam and destroy their boats aswell

[eternal aspen]

Press shift and make the Frontline for a fieldmarshal

[grave sphinx]

btw dont attack, let the germans attack and u be on defense

[eternal aspen]

Dw about navy outside of subs

[eternal aspen]

It makes the Frontline uniform and allows divs to stack where needed

[grave sphinx]

bud, i am getting naval invade and im about to get ptsds with the naval invasion sounds

i think destroyer should do it

[eternal aspen]

Build light cruisers

They're cheap for what they are

[grave sphinx]

battleships have better stats

just more service manpower which i have no problem

[tepid crown]

I mean they even outperform mech in some parts

[eternal aspen]

BB are crap

Unless youre USA

[tepid crown]

Not even

[eternal aspen]

It takes almost a year to build a good one from 0

And refitting takes longer

[grave sphinx]

lowkey

sub

[eternal aspen]

Subs can do almost anything you need

[grave sphinx]

i am gonna spams on subs

a lot

[brittle cypress]

What is this bb slander

[eternal aspen]

BB are crap, same with BC

BC are just worse BB

For the same price

[brittle cypress]

I wouldn’t build any but of course I’d refit the starting ones at least

[tepid crown]

SHBB supremacy is what

[grave sphinx]

watch me get this achievement when i get 300 submarines

[sudden thistle]

This is a hate crime 😭

[eternal aspen]

Yea, thats about all they're good for

Refitting the starting

The ones you het from focuses are okay too

[tepid crown]

Not hate when it’s true

[eternal aspen]

But it isnt worth building fresh ones

[grave sphinx]

oh yes, i just got logistical wizard

[eternal aspen]

Its more worth it to go into subs and cruisers

CL (light cruisers) are screens, but can do the damage of a BB for the sme IC AND are fast

So you don't have to worry as much if they're at say, north sea, trying to get to the Finnish coast

[grizzled yarrow]

GUYS

caps

are armored cars good

[grave sphinx]

who actually use that

[grizzled yarrow]

idk

ive seen people use it

[grave sphinx]

never use that

go mechanized infantry

[hearty totem]

Okay, now, this should be good

[grave sphinx]

why the hell are you using bikes

[hearty totem]

why not

they good

also, its funny

[grave sphinx]

use mechanized or trucks

[tulip thorn]

Now your just trolling

[grave sphinx]

or even cavalry if u dont have one

and is that the soviets naval invading

[hearty totem]

okok, ill use cavalry

[hearty totem]

no, thats Republican Spain

[grave sphinx]

they won the civil war

my guy

you're cooked

dont use heavy tanks

useless

unless ur fighting tanks

[hearty totem]

one question

is dispersed or unitary industry better, in general

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/hoi4-my-love-gif-123524107402095823

[grave sphinx]

i think you know the answer

lowkey factory and dockyard output bonus is what making me alive

by now i got 400k useless guns that i dont know what to use them for

[hearty totem]

We do NOT talk about my repair queue

[icy crescent]

If you manage your factories well and rarely swap out production lines, concentrated tends to do better.
If you are a chaotic person, randomly assigning factories to one thing and back to sth else, dispersed could be your friend.

[hearty totem]

nice

[craggy trail]

Ok. So this time, I did flip fascist and joined the co prosperity sphere before taking national leadership

[eternal aspen]

Yh, now you can get all of china for free bc Japan will give it to their ally who cores it before puppeting it

Ai will always do that, so that they dont risk going to war over it

[craggy trail]

This is the 4th run for the Battlecry achievement

[eternal aspen]

I shld get it first try just to be a douche

[hearty totem]

whats production efficiency retention

[grave sphinx]

and i forget to pause the game and they naval invade

good job cloud

[craggy trail]

The amounf of efficiency retained when you change what a production line produces

[trail beacon]

muh k/d

[hearty totem]

wow, thats really good

what country are you?

[trail beacon]

germ

[craggy trail]

Shoot. I made a big mistake. I capitulated them too fast

At least I know this is feasable

[tulip thorn]

[trail beacon]

[indigo violet]

[hearty totem]

If I win this fight, ill have the entire Spanish army encircled in France

[remote quarry]

delete your tanks

[trail beacon]

pretty colours

[random delta]

civs are underrated