hoi4-general

[sonic sand]

thats all the basics of hoi4

@knotty vortex if you want to get into setting a frontline or battle planning talk to @solar tundra or someone

with

way more hours than i do

@safe wing maybe

[knotty vortex]

okay will do

[safe wing]

I’m taking a break from hoi4 atm

[sonic sand]

mb

[safe wing]

DW

[sonic sand]

but like just play through the game

click around and try your best

if you get destroyed try again

[knotty vortex]

i will try haha

[sonic sand]

it also helps

to watch people play

so watch someone else play the game for a little

more on the technical side not the storytelling side

[devout trench]

watch videos on hoi4 and try to mirror what they do

[craggy trail]

[sinful cloud]

i've become really fond of 18w tank divisions

[craggy trail]

22 width cavalry

[junior crescent]

No, but what is the best HOI4 mod in your opinion?

[craggy trail]

People usually go between Road to 56, Kaiserreich, Old World Blues and Equestria at War

And possibly millennium dawn if your into the more modern era stuff

[junior crescent]

Mine is either RON (It has from 1900-2020), Kaiserreich, Palpatine’s Gamble+Operation Stardust (Mega Campaign) or Hearts of Minecraft

[bronze mango]

Tfr

[craggy trail]

The Fire Rises is becoming one of the new hoi4 favorites for much of the folks who've played The New Order

[junior crescent]

They all have good focus trees

[solar tundra]

this is how its going now

more fuel for the engine

Japan has joined

[junior crescent]

Schlieffen Plan exists You know?

[midnight shore]

can subs only kill all of the UK's ships

[simple citrus]

help

[solar tundra]

what's a schliffen plan

[simple citrus]

i just wanted wilhelm back

[midnight shore]

ww1 plan

[solar tundra]

it says the war is going in favour of the aggressors

[midnight shore]

for germany

[solar tundra]

but they're the aggressors

is this bad

[midnight shore]

idk

[solar tundra]

the united kingdom is the one who declared war

[midnight shore]

did u fight poland first

[simple citrus]

anyone wants to be bitt3rsteel and save my ass here

?

[solar tundra]

poland was taken in 1942 it's 1948

i was on the side of the allies in the 1941-1942 war

10 nukes have already gone off

[midnight shore]

...

whenever i play until 1946 i just crash

[simple citrus]

wtf

[midnight shore]

too laggy

[solar tundra]

it has been one month

the next nuke will land on Delhi and bombay

[simple citrus]

historical ai btw

french commune bruh cmon

tf

[solar tundra]

london, birmingham, bristol, and liverpool were hit as well as paris and the maginot line twice, and denmark got nuked

[midnight shore]

did u get nuked

[solar tundra]

Nope

I have fully consolidated Europe

because the dutch and belguim joined axis before they joined Allies

france was the only country that needed to fall

spain and portugal are strong axis members

spain agreed to be a puppet

Switzerland is just there

They're also attacking my annexed territory in Turkey from syria and attacking my annexed Iran from india

And i have to fight in the dutch indies and china too bc china and japan are allied with me

[midnight shore]

this is some crazy game

[solar tundra]

The 1941 - 1942 soviet war was Allies (UK + France) and Axis (Germany, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Netherlands, Belgium, Romania) vs Soviet Union, Poland, and Italy

and then there was China + Allies + Axis vs Japan ending in 1943

and then the soviet union came back in 1945, and then it was Axis vs Soviets again, and iran and communist china got taken over at the same time

1946 i invaded turkey for the chromium and split it in half with bulgaria

1948, world war two, the british declared war

Axis + China + Japan vs the rest of the world

There isn't enough chromium left in the world to supply the allies, so they only can have the stuff they've already manufactured :) the axis controls most of the chromium in the world and buys the rest it can

[sonic sand]

Lmfao

[sonic sand]

France will often fall into communism

Because

Support for it is so high

[brave steeple]

'we will not join the 3rd international'

its time to join the 3rd international

[solar tundra]

Insane

[brave steeple]

my coupons

victory

[drifting sable]

if I have to pick between signal company and field hospital for my general inf unit, what do I pick

[brave steeple]

depends

do you have lots of manpower

[drifting sable]

yah

[brave steeple]

what nation?

[maiden temple]

[solar tundra]

Naval invasion of the uk is beginning...

[solar tundra]

what is it?

[brave steeple]

this is sarcasm right

[solar tundra]

No

[brave steeple]

its the literal german plans to invade belguim

(aka what germany used during both world wars to invade france)

made by someone called schlieffen

adolf schieffen i think

or rudolf

[brave steeple]

alfred schieffen

close enough

[solar tundra]

we went through italy, spain, and belgium

and dropped paratroopers

[brave steeple]

which should i do

they all except bottom does same thing

but gives dif flag

i decided to pick this

very nice flag

[azure palm]

What flag?

[brave steeple]

oh...

what is this thing

[azure palm]

definitly better than bourbon empire

[brave steeple]

its KX tho

my puppet

[azure palm]

wich one? Sardinia or Italy?

[brave steeple]

puppets cant declare

at least

i dont think most can

most cant declare can they

wait can puppets declare

i am getting cofused

stellaris puppets can

vic 3 puppets

sort of

can

i dont know hoi4 puppets

[solar tundra]

Belgium and Netherlands are on our side

[sonic sand]

magi no line

now you see it now its collapsed

[sonic sand]

Schlieffen plan

made up by the Prussian strategist of the same name

for a total war against the french

to basically

go around the extensive fortifications made in the territory around Alsace-Lorraine which was annexed in the fraco prussian war

that area is where some famous battles take place like the battle of verdun

the idea was

more than what the germans did

in ww1

it was supposed to go all the way at the start

but stiff belgian resistance triggered the race to the sea

[odd mesa]

right fellas

America Decolonised

how hard is this in the modern era

[sonic sand]

the germans could've won ww1 if they had done the plan correctly and if they weren't so mean to the belgians

which lost them all of their

war support on the global stage

[odd mesa]

Germany would have never won ww1

[sonic sand]

i could give you 4 scenarios where they could

[odd mesa]

naval blockade of Germany ruins them in every scenario

[sonic sand]

without changing anything after the franco prussian war

i can give a scenario where they win

[odd mesa]

please do

[sonic sand]

first

a united germany mixed the military traditions of prussia with the more lax ones of the other german states

not only does this dilute prussian military prowess but also the prussian military traditions leading to a much worse overall german army

[spice turtle]

hardest army leader in hoi4 no questions

[sonic sand]

it does go hard af what the hell

[spice turtle]

literally boofing zaza whilst killing nazis

[bronze mango]

That's a Norwegian general correct?

[hot patrol]

is it just me or did i always think this was supposed to be a head of a soldier split in half

[solar tundra]

Also i nuked it

[bronze mango]

It's just you, that is clearly a pig

[sonic sand]

basically if the german government decided to be more inclined to keep Prussian military traditions as the norm with a professional army

the r*pe of belgium wouldn't happen

[spice turtle]

yup i am playing an exile norway game/ Better for equippment to just sophon from the allies and then never request reinstatement

[solar tundra]

I nuked the troops on the maginot line and our guys went up through Spain, down from belgium, and west from german italy

[sonic sand]

and its highly likely that the americans wouldn't be inclined to be involved in the war

they would eventually join

[solar tundra]

and paratroopers dropped into paris and joined the spanish front

[sonic sand]

but it could be too late

at that point

[odd mesa]

UK joins the war regardless of what Germany does to Belgium

which in turn

[sonic sand]

uk joins

[solar tundra]

We outnumber uk and united states by a litttle bit

[odd mesa]

means the royal navy blockades Germany

[spice turtle]

i think you might have the same level of deciphering skills that himmler had as a general if you know what i mean

[sonic sand]

they have other areas.

[hot patrol]

damn

[sonic sand]

the ottomans own the suez

[fading elk]

So I’m doing “peaceful” Germany and Czechoslovakia said no, do I keep boosting facisim

[sonic sand]

yes

probably

another thing is that the germans stopped building up their fleets

[odd mesa]

what?

[sonic sand]

and didn't realize the power of the submarine until after the war

[fading elk]

Well at least it’s 15.5% now so something

I need it 50% tho it says

So gonna be a while

[sonic sand]

sorry they didn't own it mb

i thought they did

either way

[odd mesa]

even still, resources wouldn't have come to Germany from the Suez

even if they did own it

[spice turtle]

i played a germany game on hardest difficulty the other day, first grmany game in months. I just made literally hundereds of low visibility cruiser subs and the allies couldnt do a thing, like nothing. I choked out the british AND american supply lines use subs!!!!!!

[odd mesa]

you have significant Briitsh pressure in and around the suez

[sonic sand]

yeah

ofc you do

[odd mesa]

the naval blockade cripples and destroys germany in every single scenario

[sonic sand]

quick or not at all

[odd mesa]

even before american troops step foot in europe

[sonic sand]

thats been the story of prussia forever and ever

[odd mesa]

germany is already starving

[sonic sand]

paris falls and france surrenders regardless of what happens after

[solar tundra]

My germany has 6 million troops deployed now

[spice turtle]

i feel bad for prussian wives jeez

[sonic sand]

and if the french fall well the brits will fall

not through invasion

they would just

[solar tundra]

1000 subs 600 destroyers

[sonic sand]

not even try

[solar tundra]

250 carriers 200 battleships

[sonic sand]

ww1 meant nothing to them besides stopping germany from upsetting the balance of power

[odd mesa]

to who - Britain?

[sonic sand]

yeah

[shell whale]

is democratic Italy a fun path to go for when for when you’re bored? or is it a nothing burger

[sonic sand]

because there are no crazy terms imposed like in ww2

[shell whale]

I’ve done Roman Empire before and I wanna do something new

[sonic sand]

ww1 was not one of total annihilation

[odd mesa]

respectfully idk what your'e talking about

versailles was one of, if not, the worst decision in history

[sonic sand]

what im saying is the brits stood by

durring the franco prussian war

they were going to get involved if germany attacked belgium or not

[odd mesa]

it wasn't their war

[sonic sand]

neither is ww1 as much as people make it out to be

ww1 was a war between austria and serbia

[odd mesa]

it became Britain's war when Germany attacked a country virtually invented by Britain

[sonic sand]

im just saying that if france fell

the brits

would probably just peace out

[odd mesa]

france fell in ww2

[sonic sand]

and unlike in ww2

[shell whale]

Lovely conversation here

[sonic sand]

it was not a war of total annihilation

[odd mesa]

i feel like im being rage baited ngl

back to my Chile run

[sonic sand]

you're not

[sonic sand]

the thing is that you cannot expect the brits to do everything they did in ww2

they wouldn't keep fighting

the reason they did was because they realized that letting france fall unopposed would be suicide and they would be next on the chopping block

because of the mentality of germany

[pulsar bloom]

what are the best support companies for an infrantry only world conquest?

[sonic sand]

shovels

support arty

and support anti air

[bronze mango]

I'm trying to do the russian soviet union path in tfr and I've got this event, what do I do?

[sonic sand]

no idea

[sonic sand]

go ask the TFR nerds

[brittle cypress]

Replace anti tank with artillery

[pulsar bloom]

thx

[sonic sand]

i love how you named your division brick

[brittle cypress]

It’s not mine I stole it

But I like the name too

[sonic sand]

stolen brickc

[paper echo]

tfr fans can answer tank based questions

same as md fans

you dont usually use infantry there

[sonic sand]

tfr fans can't

understand basic

instructions

[paper echo]

well they certainly cant answer inf questions

[sonic sand]

so true

[paper echo]

also whats all this tfr hate 💀

[sonic sand]

but i was talking about this

[sonic sand]

hey man

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1340470868547076106/1403936899780968540/IMG_4552.gif

the cat gif said so

[bronze mango]

Yeah I did ask on the tfr server and it turns out it's just the "game studio asks for government funding" event

[paper echo]

i just noticed 💀

i thought you were talking about the infantry thing

[spice turtle]

genuinely stupid how this is a viable template

[sly elm]

⁉️ this is historical rt 56....

[bronze mango]

Real

[bronze mango]

Whats wrong this actually happened historically! Read a history book

[paper echo]

nope.actually all austrian ideologies fought eachother and one of them became a papal state puppet

so yeah read a history book

[craggy trail]

Sure did took a while to get 80% compliance

[knotty vortex]

can anyone explain what this means

[devout trench]

35 combat width

[craggy trail]

The left represents your army group and on the right represents your army

[knotty vortex]

and how do i manage my economy/resources created

[brittle cypress]

Good perception

It is in fact 35 combat width

[knotty vortex]

okay. what does the term theater actually refer to?

[brittle cypress]

Nothing it’s just a way to not have all your armies on the same screen

[craggy trail]

So for example this

[knotty vortex]

ah right i see

so whats next

[knotty vortex]

i put some troops on the border of france

[sonic sand]

do you wanna know how to like

[knotty vortex]

thats the limits of my brainpower

[sonic sand]

make a frontline

[knotty vortex]

i already made a frontline

when exploring the troop options

but idk what to do now

[sly elm]

hmm yes the spam of the italians

[knotty vortex]

what things do i need to learn

can somebody give me a list

[sly elm]

hmm

hmmm

historical is on btw

[ancient marsh]

britan was going to join ww1 even without belgium's invasion

[odd mesa]

I agree

[ancient marsh]

its not just

feelings

its fact

[odd mesa]

which is why im saying there's no universe Germany win ww1

[ancient marsh]

british foreign secretary said so himself

and if you look at attitudes towards germany since its formation in britain it always had to be weakened if not destroyed

[solar tundra]

The warmongering british have made a mistake of declaring war on us

germany is defending itself

[sonic sand]

yep

thats true

but they would've left if germany took paris

and imposed a traditional european treaty on france

takeing their colonies

a small amount of land

and some minor war reperations

france falls

then russia will be all alone

and blah blah blah war becomes hated

people revolt

another goverment whos hated comes into power

then the germans ship lenin off to russia

soviet union

maybe even more so than in our timeline

because the russian people will be all alone

austria hungary will collapse into austria and hungary

just like our timeline

but i think there would probably be a closer relationship between the two

im thinking mutual guarantees and maybe a shared army

and i think there would probably be a monarchist yugoslavia esque state

[tepid crown]

Maybe, maybe could have if USA didn’t get involved

[odd mesa]

Germany was starving to death before American troops landed

[sonic sand]

i mean or if the Schlieffen plan was carried out and not botched

[odd mesa]

their stormtrooper offensive was a failure

100 day campaign or whatever it was called

[sonic sand]

let me just say the schlieffen plan wasn't done correctly

[odd mesa]

the only way Germany has even a chance is if they can prevent the royal navy's blockade

[sonic sand]

not true

[sly elm]

its like a reversed el alamein|| totally no better historical version of this battle||

[odd mesa]

but, there's no way that hapepns

[odd mesa]

saying 'not true' and then peddling some incredible 'what-if' that has no basis means nothing

[sonic sand]

so real 🙏

but like i was saying

[dusky burrow]

Are Italians fighting on both sides?

[sonic sand]

the Schlieffen plan originally had them continue to go to the coast

[dusky burrow]

nvm

[sly elm]

no they are so undersupplied they cant retreat fast enough

[sonic sand]

but the german high command didn't do that

[dusky burrow]

Ah I see

You should probably build a port nearby and link it up with Cairo rail

[sonic sand]

theres a reason the race to the sea happened

[odd mesa]

'Germany would have won WW1 if allied defensive manouvres didn't work and Russia didn't mobilise as fast as they did'

[dusky burrow]

Maybe call the city "new tobruk"

[sonic sand]

thats the thing tho

changing nothing on the allies side

[sly elm]

im also somehow winning after losing everything up to modern egyptian borders on the southern front

[sonic sand]

its still possible

[odd mesa]

Germany would have won WW1 if they had infinite food too

[dusky burrow]

Check air

That might be the reason why

[brave steeple]

the original plan was to invade russia first and then turn their attention on france

[sonic sand]

im sayin the war could be over before it really begins

[odd mesa]

dude

do you have any understanding of ww1

[sonic sand]

i know what happened

[odd mesa]

you thought the ottomans owned the Suez

[tepid crown]

So basically if Germany was USA they could have won. Lmao

[sonic sand]

mostly

[sonic sand]

so true

[odd mesa]

and if the allies were incompetent

and 90 other things

then germany would have won

🤣

[sonic sand]

they were!

[sly elm]

nah it aint air, my air equipment stayed the same and in the same skies as before, i just got new guns

1940 guns in 1939

[brave steeple]

germany winning ww1 was WAY more likely than ww2

unlikely

but actually possible

unlike ww2

[odd mesa]

I would say Hitler had better chances than ww1 germany

[sonic sand]

he did not

[brave steeple]

❓

[dusky burrow]

I mean you might not have air over Sudan, they might still be over Egypt or they might not be strong enough for aerial supremacy in Sudan

Sudan is huge

[bronze mango]

By far no

[sonic sand]

500 other universes and germany doesn't win ww2

[ancient marsh]

🔇

[brave steeple]

1 universe he would win

and thats where the ussr and germany form a alliance

[sly elm]

no im winning again after losing basically everything, air support is everywhere

[odd mesa]

But similar to ms XS2074

[ancient marsh]

frankly germany wins without large-scale american intervention

[odd mesa]

its based off

massive what-ifs

that would never happen

[sonic sand]

and the only reason he does is because he lets the french surrender peacefully

[ancient marsh]

which this in itself is not a huge leap

[brave steeple]

frankly if the allies intervened in 1936 same thing but it would never happen

[ancient marsh]

i meant

for ww1

[brave steeple]

ohhhhh

ww1 eh

[odd mesa]

strongly

strongly disagree

[brave steeple]

germany was crumpling

[sonic sand]

let me be very clear what happened in our world is probably one of the best case scenarios for germany in ww2

[ancient marsh]

why do you think so

[sonic sand]

at any point

[brave steeple]

its a 50/50

[odd mesa]

german civilians were on the verge of cannibalism

a two front war

[brave steeple]

the germans were NOT reaching paris for a bit

[bronze mango]

The German army in ww2 ran on luck (and meth) and not on skill

[odd mesa]

and they were never winning on the west

let alone the east

[sonic sand]

^

[brave steeple]

and the french being idiots

[bronze mango]

Counts as luck

[oak mantle]

Does anyone know what country is best for land cruisers

[sonic sand]

i do wonder however what would've happened if they stayed in the war a bit more

[ancient marsh]

and we ignore that soldiers on the western front were in equally horrible conditions, and not winning despite years of fighting

[sonic sand]

i know casualties

but ukraine has a lot of grain

[ancient marsh]

the central powers had won victory after victory while the entente had nothing to show for it

[sudden thistle]

Imma say Soviets

[brave steeple]

eh jutland

[oak mantle]

Do any countries get land warfare bonus for it or do you have to wait the base amount of time

[brave steeple]

also the arab nations were in revolt

[ancient marsh]

entente armies were literally deserting en mass every day

[brave steeple]

turkey was falling

its a 50/50

[ancient marsh]

paris is all germany has to take

[sudden thistle]

Soviets have a super heavy research buff I believe

I think Belgium too

[oak mantle]

Ill see

[brave steeple]

yes and they had no food to take it with

[oak mantle]

For land warfare?

[brave steeple]

red flood tbh makes a LOT of sense

[odd mesa]

They weren't looking pretty, but Germany wouldn't attrition the west and Russia at the same time

[brave steeple]

no one was winning

[odd mesa]

and they weren't pushing any fronts

[sudden thistle]

I’m 90% sure yeah

[ancient marsh]

which isnt out of the question given the conditions of

1. no fresh, shiny new american troops to supplement and provide morale
2. entente armies are still deserting by the thousands

[bronze mango]

With the securing of Ukraine the Germans could've resolved the food crisis

[sonic sand]

i do believe ww1 would be a tossup and i think genuinely a few things changing could butterfly into insanity.

[lost parcel]

could i win as france 🤔

[ancient marsh]

^^ and this assuming it would be a long term war

which it wouldnt be

[oak mantle]

I checked they only get a 10% land warfare research bonus

[ancient marsh]

paris would fall within months of russia's collapse as men are shipped back west

[sudden thistle]

Yeah I took that other 90%

[sonic sand]

and also don't forget that they still hadn't fought a battle on their own turf yet

[sudden thistle]

Sucks though

[sonic sand]

and their industry was still intact

vs like

all of the french industry

[odd mesa]

they had no resources

[sonic sand]

which was bombed to hell and back

[sudden thistle]

Are you a wehraboo perchance

[azure palm]

does anyone know how to get the normal israeli flag in the Road to 56 mod?

[ancient marsh]

the hunger crisis was devastating but germany wasnt facing the same military bottlenecks and destruction of cohesion

[sonic sand]

perchance

[ancient marsh]

no

[bronze mango]

Ew

[sonic sand]

not really

god

[odd mesa]

im not sure how you can say this

[ancient marsh]

are you a wehraboo
discussing great war alternate history

[odd mesa]

virtualyl every aspect of the german plan was bottlenecked

[sonic sand]

this is the statement of time

[bronze mango]

I hate this stupid double click to react thing

[ancient marsh]

im not talking about the schlieffen plan

im talking about the end stages of the war

[odd mesa]

Germany had no strategy to win a war outside of teh schlieffen plan

[ancient marsh]

lets say roosevelt decides not to be a petty man and lets taft run opposed therefore not splitting the republican vote and resulting in taft's re-election to the presidency

[jaunty delta]

they absolutely could have won WW2 with some luck on their side

[jaunty delta]

imagine if UK never declared war on them

[ancient marsh]

america is unlikely to intervene until the latest stages of the war at the earliest

[jaunty delta]

or signed a peace treaty with Germany right after defeat of French

[odd mesa]

Germany was also bottle-necked by the blockade, lack of allied land trade routs for necessary resources

[ancient marsh]

if at all

[odd mesa]

and their army was literally exhausted from attrition

[bronze mango]

That is literally how Germany made any progress at all in the war, luck

[ancient marsh]

russia has fallen by 1917

[jaunty delta]

if there was no western front, or africa, they would have demolished USSR.

[odd mesa]

and they had lost the war before 1917

[bronze mango]

Yeah but no one in the British government wanted that

[fallen vigil]

fun

[ancient marsh]

🧐

[sonic sand]

germany had all the cards they would ever need, frankly they should've won

[split bane]

Literally Thousand Week Reich

[odd mesa]

under your idea of large-scale american intervention

does that include supply shipping

to the UK

[ancient marsh]

no

i mean

[jaunty delta]

except weakling neville chamberlain ew

[ancient marsh]

full blown entry

over there

boots on the ground

[odd mesa]

then how do you think Germany ever wins on the west

if the UK are being supplied

and Germany is internally combusting

[sonic sand]

send Lenin to france!

[bronze mango]

Well yes but he was no longer in government and then died in 1940

[sonic sand]

he died in 1940?!

[ancient marsh]

like i said, germany is relocating most of their forces back west after russia falls
without shiny, new, and bold american units to boost morale and supplement the collapsing frontlines, france's entire army is likely to collapse in upon itself as it was doing

[bronze mango]

Yes

November

[sonic sand]

holy shit he did!

[ancient marsh]

there were strikes and mutinies across the entire western front starting by 1916

and by 1918 thousands were deserting every day

and this was still WITH american support

[odd mesa]

Even if you put down the spring offensive down to 'we need to end this before american troops land', Germany starves to death before the effect of mutinies has any real impact

[ancient marsh]

paris just has to fall and the war is effectively over

[bronze mango]

Also Chamberlain's appeasment was for preparing Britain for war

[odd mesa]

that's a very simple statement to make

but how do Germany get to Paris

[ancient marsh]

the military wouldnt starve in the 3-4 months france has left

[odd mesa]

The whole problem with the stormtrooper offensives was

they stretched their supply lines

so insanely far

they couldn't even hold the land they gained

[sonic sand]

me watching them hold the land they gained

[ancient marsh]

they're getting half the caloric intake sure but they're also seizing ukranian grain supplies and now are dedicating everything to one theater

[sonic sand]

shocking.

[ancient marsh]

half of the french army mutineered in 1917 where soldiers refused to take orders and just sat in their trenches

[fallen vigil]

i finaly got finnish him but at what cost

[ancient marsh]

more large-scale mutinees followered until the war's conclusion

[jaunty delta]

if they(german reich) had destroyed the troops at dunkirk, UK would have absolutely sued for peace

[ancient marsh]

french production was entirely in the gutter and strikes were just a regular normal thing

desertion was high

the frontline is requiring more men to hold against a proper german force while france is collapsing in upon itself at an even more accelerated speed than was happening

[sonic sand]

poland

[ancient marsh]

american intervention in europe was a massive morale boost for dried out entente forces

think about it, what victories have they achieved for the last 4 years?

africa? ends there doesnt it

[odd mesa]

stopping the entire and only strategy Germany had

[sonic sand]

i wouldn't say that

the prussians were innovators

the reason there were so many experimental weapons in ww1

[odd mesa]

bro what

[sonic sand]

was to break the deadlock

well?

tank

[ancient marsh]

which they fell back on and managed to hold all their ground largely for the last 3 and a half years

[sonic sand]

trying to break the deadlock

warplanes

trying to break the deadlock

[odd mesa]

nah

this guy has to be rage baiting

[bronze mango]

The best ending is a stalemate causing by revolutions on both sides

[sonic sand]

how?

how is the tank

[ancient marsh]

germany made their own tanks as a response to fighting the mark I

[sonic sand]

not trying to break the deadlock of the war

[wind bison]

Will this ever be fixed? The dlc was out for a good while now

[bronze mango]

Guh

Odd

Never seen that before

[ancient marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/no-noo-no-way-robot-gif-18171581

[odd mesa]

putting aside that 'tanks' were not a product of trying to break a deadlock, that's not a grand war plan

[sharp sierra]

ur mom was in a bit of a deadlock before i came around

[bronze mango]

They weren't? That's literally all they were for?

[fallen vigil]

welp that was a fun ironman game

[wind bison]

As expected from PDX

[odd mesa]

German tanks specifically

they weren't built to counter trenches

as my good friend larry said

they were built to counter british tanks

[bronze mango]

In that case they are just a response to entente tanks

[wind bison]

Didnt know you can get Mannerheim as a leader for Finland

[sonic sand]

yes

[odd mesa]

but regardless, this isn't an argument against Germany's one main strategy failing at the first hurdle

lol

[sonic sand]

Mannerheim is literally the main character of Finland

[dusky burrow]

Didn't know Finland was a movie

[sonic sand]

it genuinely is

[wind bison]

I know, but he always was the ai civil war leader to me lol

[sonic sand]

lol

[sonic sand]

and the british tanks

were

made why?

exactly?

[odd mesa]

a british war strategy

[wind bison]

Is he one of the presidents?

[sonic sand]

yeah the 4th

[fast slate]

u said prussians not the british, this was abt germany

[sonic sand]

yeah i know

[sudden thistle]

Hello arson enthusiast

[sonic sand]

but everything made

[fast slate]

hello

[sonic sand]

was to break the deadlock

everything

[fast slate]

im just watching this go down it’s entertaining

[dire oyster]

wait who pinged me

[wind bison]

Damn, never went thorugh this many.
I did the non align path like once or twice for the achievment and the secret Kingdom of Finland path

[sonic sand]

this is irl

not

like

XD

irl he was the 4th

[dire oyster]

@sudden thistlebro

take a break

pls

touch grass

[wind bison]

Oh, i thought you were talking about the trust system in the game

[sudden thistle]

I quite literally live on a farm

[sonic sand]

I made like a list of Mannerheim's achievements

[wind bison]

I know that he was a president irl

[dire oyster]

yes

good

so you have easy access to it

THEN TOUCH IT

[sonic sand]

^

[sudden thistle]

U can not say “touch grass” when I live and work at it

[sonic sand]

@wind bison

[wind bison]

Yeah, saw that

[sonic sand]

its crazy

[sharp sierra]

🥺 can somewun teach me the game... 👉 👈

[sonic sand]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897318212851601408/989121442807431168/attachment.gif

[solar tundra]

how can i end the war without having to invade the usa

[sudden thistle]

What is this supposed to prove

[odd mesa]

tell them to kindly stop

[solar tundra]

The uk and france have capitulated

i don't want to be mean and go over there

[sharp sierra]

nothing just look at ur first message how cute

[wind bison]

He also was a general-leutenant and a cavalry general in the Imperial Russian Army

[odd mesa]

dirty yanks need to be told off sometimes

[sonic sand]

i said that

[solar tundra]

20 million people have already died

[odd mesa]

not enough

[sonic sand]

im turning this into a speech bubble meme gimmie a sec

[fickle cove]

"MY COLLAR'S BLUE AND MY NECK IS RED" headass

[wind bison]

I saw the general leutenant part but you havent mentioned the cavalry general part, which is important in my opinion bc it was a very prestigious title to have

[solar tundra]

china has not helped much

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-collar-spongebob-meme-spongebob-my-collars-blue-but-my-neck-is-red-my-neck-is-red-gif-3192517573125654259

[sonic sand]

i said he was

[solar tundra]

except they've lost 2 million people somehow

[wind bison]

Than i missed it, sry, im playing the game on my main monitor

[solar tundra]

with 4% of the score

[sonic sand]

i said he was there for the coronation of tzar Nicolas

[solar tundra]

2 million dead with only 4% of the war effort

[sonic sand]

on guard next to the throne iirc

[wind bison]

Yes, but you didnt mention the cavalry general

[sonic sand]

i said he was a luitenent general

[wind bison]

Its a cool fact tbh

[wind bison]

Its a different title

[sonic sand]

it is?

damn

[wind bison]

Yes

Its more prestigious

[sonic sand]

here he is

next to tzar Nicolas

genuinely unreal lore

[wind bison]

Very cool, love the guy

Not the collaborating with Germany part though

[sonic sand]

personally i don't think he had a choice

like many of the smaller still existing european nations

its collaberate with the germans

or prepare to be invaded

[wind bison]

I mean Finnish neutrality is an actual term for a reason. They could've stayed neutral after the first defeat to the Soviets

[solar tundra]

the naval invasion people just refuse to go

they won't go :(

[sonic sand]

i think maybe

but the soviets would probably try their luck again

[wind bison]

Not when they are at war with the Germans and not when the west has nukes

[sonic sand]

when they're at war with germany

or right after it

[wind bison]

I understand that we got a bad reputation for the 30s, but the USSR wasnt a blood thirsty expansiotnist power like Germany

[sonic sand]

they kinda were

[wind bison]

Not really, it was more of a revenge in the polish case and shortening the potential front with the baltics

[odd mesa]

As a Lithuanian

[wind bison]

I understand that in doesnt justify anything, but just viewing it as conquest for the sake of conquest is very wrong

[odd mesa]

I disagree :D

[wind bison]

And you have a right to, again, im not saying it was justified

[solar tundra]

I have capitulated everyone except usa

[odd mesa]

you must keep going

[wind bison]

Get them yankees

[solar tundra]

50 tank divisons are on their way to india because china hasn't done anything there but they've managed to get 2 million casualties

[odd mesa]

starvation

[solar tundra]

Axis is fielding 17 million manpower with 11 million casualties and allies are fieling 7 to 11 million manpower with 12 million casualties

[wind bison]

AI cheats

[odd mesa]

who are you playing rebecca

germany?

[solar tundra]

Yes

my naval invasions never went because they were scared or something but spain invaded the uk so i just sent my tanks to the spain occupied ports

[clear jewel]

Can I ask a road to 56 problem here? Not sure if this happens in the vanilla too. Playing soviet and the troops just automatically leave gaps in the frontline. Same issue if I use a frontline on the hungarian border

[sonic sand]

As a finn i agree with the Lithuanian

[misty nexus]

Someone wanna play a game?

[jaunty delta]

god I hate how often UK declares war on you when you're a minor

[odd mesa]

prince andrew method

[sonic sand]

I somehow got the UK to guarantee me

[wind bison]

UK ai is programmed to be Margaret Thatcher

[sonic sand]

As a turbo expansionist Hungary

Btw @jaunty delta how did it go?

[jaunty delta]

i kinda asked her out on a halloween party but she didn't want to

[sonic sand]

If i was her i would probably do the same

Parties suck

Genuinely unless someone is interested in partying they will never go to a party unless they get dragged there

[sharp sierra]

the only fun thing to do at a party is be in the bathroom with 3 other dudes and run out of there giggling after you ripped the sink off the wall

[sonic sand]

This is what i mean

Parties are all just chaos

And if someone doesn't like that atmosphere they will just never go

If they're like introverted or autistic like its a 100% no

[jaunty delta]

im autistic and i love parties

[sonic sand]

You are the exception

[sharp sierra]

how many people were at it

[sonic sand]

I already knew you were autistic

You're in this discord

There isn't a single soul in here without autism

[jaunty delta]

more you drink the less autistic you become

its like confirmed by scientists, or so i heard

[sonic sand]

So peak

[sonic sand]

But like thats everyone

Anyways

Like if shes an introvert

Just like

Ask her out to coffee or something

[jaunty delta]

she's like flying out to like sweden tomorrow so no go for 7 days anyway

[sonic sand]

You genuinely can't go wrong with asking someone to coffee

[sonic sand]

Thats fine

Ask her out to coffee and to hear about her travels

[solar tundra]

When this war ends

im. not even going to conquer the british

they will all still be free

this is a defensive war

[sonic sand]

Tada perfect excuse to go on a date @jaunty delta

[dawn mango]

29 days till dlc🈵 🈯 🎋

[floral wolf]

@wraith sand

[sonic sand]

Can't wait to compromise and surrender on that cost 🔥

[bronze mango]

One February away

[dusky burrow]

Definitely something that happens in Vanilla too

[sonic sand]

No compromise on adding man the guns for free either 🔥

[dusky burrow]

I can testify

[sonic sand]

What even is rt56

@dusky burrow

[dawn mango]

on a leap year tho

[bronze mango]

Still is a February

[jade parcel]

i shouldn’t have listened to someone from reddit i got my mod deleted

[sonic sand]

yikes

[limber wigeon]

@lost widget Yo which version

[bronze mango]

Still have the files right?

[limber wigeon]

How do you get so many losses

[solar tundra]

i don't know

[limber wigeon]

I usually only have 750k during the whole war

[solar tundra]

it is 1949

[limber wigeon]

hell nah and ur still fighting

[solar tundra]

they declared war in 1948

the british attacked

[limber wigeon]

oh

[slow nova]

Guys war thunder Is going into the wrong direction

Is becoming a waifus anime game

BLEAHHHH

we Need ww3 not that

Stupid jerk off tank simulator

Who Is with me?

[slow nova]

How your game Is doing?

[solar tundra]

Before that i had already defeated ussr, poland, communist china, iran, turkey

In most wars fighting alongside the allies

[slow nova]

Ok

[solar tundra]

and taken Italy

[slow nova]

What nation are you playing?

[solar tundra]

germany

[slow nova]

First woman that choose Hitler in hoi4. Ok

Do reichkommisariats

Don't forget them

[solar tundra]

I was preparing for war with japan because china and i had a pact then the british began to justify on the netherlands and i

and then the british attacked!!!

[slow nova]

Just spam paratroopers

[limber wigeon]

Did you turn off historical ai or what

[solar tundra]

They're already capitulated

[solar tundra]

No

[limber wigeon]

W h a t

[solar tundra]

historical ai is on

[limber wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/blud-gif-2232788265298867531

[slow nova]

Do you get It?

[solar tundra]

True

[slow nova]

The volskhalle looks good.
Cit Speer

[solar tundra]

After france fell , all of europe is now Axis

[limber wigeon]

I think it doesn't.

[solar tundra]

this is the timeline so far

Paratroopers were involved in the france invasion because their lines held for so long

But the british fell in a month

[slow nova]

Ok

[limber wigeon]

Why does Dönitz have 38 taskforces blud

[solar tundra]

Idk

[slow nova]

Send a screen of the rn situation

[solar tundra]

Busy

[solar tundra]

I don't organize my boats

they do their own thing

[slow nova]

Ok but how Is going the war?? Is on your side???

Do you researched Land cruisers?

[gilded smelt]

the congo content in gotterdammerung

is kinda

crazy lol

[slow nova]

Yes.. Is more Crazy on kaiserredux

[gilded smelt]

i don't play kr or kx

[solar tundra]

I was able to redirect a lot of divisions to africa, most of the offensive troops have gone south to the African front and to india

[gilded smelt]

i'm a loyal tno and rfr guy

[slow nova]

Ok..

[slow nova]

Rfr???

Ahh rise of radicalism

[gilded smelt]

yeah ride for ruin

[gilded smelt]

wut

[solar tundra]

I just need to have defensive divisions on the coast in case of american naval invasions

[slow nova]

Is a mod

[gilded smelt]

oh

[slow nova]

Nuclearize new York

[solar tundra]

That's the only threat and only takes 200 divisions to stand around

[gilded smelt]

ok lets see here

cyrille adoula's wikipedia

anti-communist, great

[slow nova]

Ok

[gilded smelt]

SO WHY IS HE HERE

😭

[slow nova]

I'm loyal to KX

[slow nova]

Because Is trotskyst

[gilded smelt]

also he's 15 lol

[slow nova]

A form of communism

[solar tundra]

60 tank divisions go to India to join the 20 motorized and infantry holding the line, and 40 go to africa to blitzkreig across the french and uk colonies and join the spanish front from the opposite side

[slow nova]

Good job, ruling a nation only at 15

[gilded smelt]

and gbenye is only 9 at game start

[slow nova]

Ok

[solar tundra]

50 tank divisions are storming norway alonside finland

[slow nova]

?

[solar tundra]

and 50 more are just sitting around i guess

[gilded smelt]

the other leader

[slow nova]

Damn

[gilded smelt]

for communist congo

[slow nova]

Ok

[slow nova]

But do landcrusisers

[gilded smelt]

so yeah i gotta say some of the content is

[lunar oracle]

two achievements left, it's been real

[slow nova]

They are OPP

[gilded smelt]

a bit crazy

[solar tundra]

what's a land cruiser

[slow nova]

The p.1000 ratte

[solar tundra]

?

[slow nova]

Do you have all dlcs?

[solar tundra]

no

none

[slow nova]

Ah sorry

[gilded smelt]

it's a special project from the gotterdammerung dlc

[slow nova]

Ah women

They don't know things that are useful In games...

[solar tundra]

Axis will consolidate all of africa and india, and then wait for surrender

[slow nova]

Like DLCs

[solar tundra]

If it does not come, we go to America

[gilded smelt]

ofc i'm still going to play communist belgian congo

in vanilla

[slow nova]

Who needs to come?

💀💀

[solar tundra]

Surrender

[slow nova]

Ahhhh ok

For a Moment I was dirty minded

[solar tundra]

oh

like we will wait for surrender, if it doesn't come then we invade america

they will keep invading us

[gilded smelt]

so many 70 day focuses

i might die

[solar tundra]

i have no focuses left 💀

[solar tundra]

once we win the war i will set them all free

as germany is just defending itself

[dusky burrow]

France fell but you retained control of the Maginot?

[solar tundra]

wdym

[dusky burrow]

Oh you're Germany?

[solar tundra]

yes

fighting a defensive war

[slow nova]

Literally your description says that fascists needs to be banned

And She Is playing Germany

....

[dusky burrow]

Okay here's what you get

[solar tundra]

See, it is a defensive war

[dusky burrow]

medium flame tanks + assault engineers on your division, plus a super-heavy railway gun

[solar tundra]

there's railway guns?

and flame tanks??

[dusky burrow]

Do you have götterdamerung?

[solar tundra]

what's that

[dusky burrow]

the dlc

Actually which dlcs do you have

[solar tundra]

none

[bright arrow]

What do I need to switch ideology the olden ways?

[solar tundra]

this is the war overview

[dusky burrow]

Oh nice you sealioned

congrats

Have you dealt with the Maginot

Oh yeah I forgot you can also strat bomb Maginot to death as well, so if you don't have the dlc features I've mentioned do that instead

[craggy trail]

A list of features from each DLC that is currently available

[craggy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/therapy-therapy-horz-head-pats-twidash-gif-18562876

[solar tundra]

what's that

[solar tundra]

Well we went up through spain, south from belgium, and west over the italian mountains

And i nuked the maginot

[dusky burrow]

I see

Sealion refers to the planned Nazi invasion of Britain IRL

[solar tundra]

See this first image

And paratroopers dropped into paris to further reinforce the spanish front line

Belgium and netherland are Axis members

And surprisingly strong ones!!

[solar tundra]

In fact belgium and spain led the naval invasion because my troops set to naval invade just didn't want to go

So i sent the 70 tank divisions to the spanish occupied port and we rushed across britian and i had to manually control them all because they had apparently no supply and refused to follow orders

[dusky burrow]

Oof

[rich nacelle]

I watched bittersteels vid on navy and was wondering if this design is actually good.

[dusky burrow]

Maybe check for convoy raiding next time

[dusky burrow]

Yes

Although you do armor 2

[rich nacelle]

Noice. Nice to know I didn’t waste my research slots for a year.

[rich nacelle]

K will do

[dusky burrow]

Maybe a bit expensive and yes it is expensive in tech

So in the meanwhile you can use secondary battery 2 + best AA/radar/fire control

[rich nacelle]

Oh I have everything but the armor researched.

But can’t get on hoi4 rn

Should I use the 1936 cruiser or the best one I have (1940)?

[dusky burrow]

Either would be fine

[rich nacelle]

Okay

[solar tundra]

How can i sue for peace?

I am the defender in the war and all major countries besides usa have capitulated

[rich nacelle]

You don’t. The unconditional surrender feature never works.

[slim nexus]

It only works in one place

Because it’s forced to

[rich nacelle]

If you are in the side with the USA, the USA will never die. Nobody can ever reach them 99/100 times.

[bronze mango]

Hoi4 really needs to add the ability to not stay in a forever war with afro eurasia while playing Luxembourg

[solar tundra]

I'm germany

[rich nacelle]

Meme about my current China game.

[rich nacelle]

You will have to naval invade ‘murica

[dusky burrow]

Yeah, that

But you're well equipped to do so

[solar tundra]

Or we can just stay at war forever

[rich nacelle]

Yep :/

[solar tundra]

They will run out of men to send across the sea

[dusky burrow]

Also true

But I find that late-game US has a lot of planes

So research supersonic jet as soon as possible

[vapid bough]

the are gonna die taking down as many of them with them as possible

[rich nacelle]

Spanish civil war in a nutshell

[vapid bough]

I was wondering why is the Nationalist capital still Burgos

[solar tundra]

Maybe i take canada first

[dusky burrow]

Yeah do do that

[solar tundra]

And then go down from ontario

[brave steeple]

so close to HUGE encirclement

how did the frontlines even get to this

one moment hungry was ther

next they arent

[tiny iris]

I keep leaving this server and joining back

I have a problem.

😭

[upbeat burrow]

Can CAS destroy tanks?

[solar tundra]

They destroy everything

[devout trench]

They destroy it if it exists

[heavy vigil]

Hearts of iron IV

[slim nexus]

Indeed

[upbeat burrow]

Pretty unrealistic

[wanton whale]

What's that game about?

[upbeat burrow]

Air power wasn't good at actually destroying tanks during ww2

[heavy vigil]

world war 1

[wanton whale]

Ah okie, does it have a good German thingy?

[heavy vigil]

No

I actually dont like germany

Too OP and too annoying to play

[dusky burrow]

How about Japan

[wheat scarab]

:3

[heavy vigil]

at least you dont have OP stats so it feels kind of hard work to reward if you do win (usually its because your enemies have skill issues)

[dusky burrow]

How do you think of trudging through the entirety of Siberia to defeat the Bolsheviks

[heavy vigil]

exhausting

[warped flint]

WHATED I EVEN DO MAN

I AM JUST CHILLING

AND THEY INVADE ME

[heavy vigil]

You had 30%+ fascist support

Then the uk can get a wargoal

[bright arrow]

howw

[warped flint]

💔

[heavy vigil]

Dont ask how i know

[warped flint]

Well good to know